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Willow Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.01 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Willow Mayhem on 01/04/2007 20:55:52
Yeah, I know its obvious. Jita always lags. But something is seriously wrong there today. Everyone just got booted off and its taking 20 to 30 mins to log in there or jump in.
As paying customers, this should not be acceptable. It has been a known issue forever with no solution in sight. Meanwhile, I can't even get to a character to change their training.
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Pirlouit
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.01 21:31:00 -
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Hi Willow,
Jita lag is indeed a MAJOR pain. I experienced it myself today and it was real bad. Sharkbait tried to explain to us mere mortals what is going on but it is mostly due to the sheer number of people in the system. I am sure they are aware of the issue and remember the need for speed initiative is there to also improve the situation.
Beside, I remember that they are thinking of making a constellation wide delivery system with interbus so to relieve the hub issue.
For now, we just have to try to avoid Jita especially on a sunday.
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Oriella Trikassi
Trikassi Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.02 12:21:00 -
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Jita lag is player created. There is no possible change that CCP can make to the game to remove it, any more than there is a change the Mayor of New York can make to eliminate crowding on the sidewalks of Manhattan.
It's a game feature, not a bug or fault.
This character has lived one jump away from Jita for years. She goes to Jita 4/4 to trade, sure, but not weekends or evenings. She would never, ever log off in Jita. She uses an Agent that doesn't give lagged Missions, which is more effective than going for the 'best' Agent and losing ships to lag.
IRL I live in the countryside, forty minutes train ride from a big city. I don't work there or travel there during the rush hour, but that's my choice.
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Steyr Daghan
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Posted - 2007.05.12 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Steyr Daghan on 12/05/2007 10:30:46
 Originally by: Oriella Trikassi
Jita lag is player created. There is no possible change that CCP can make to the game to remove it
BS. Of course there are changes they could make to remove it. So far they haven't come up with a way to solve it that makes economical sense (obviously, otherwise thye'd have done it). But it's just plain ignorant to say it is not possible to solve by technical means.
Originally by: Oriella Trikassi
It's a game feature, not a bug or fault.
Of course it is a fault. The system (technical real-life system, not star system) is overloaded. The servers and/or software cannot handle the current load. Obviously that is a fault.
There are two ways to solve the lag. Either by brute force, making the system able to handle a greater load (more servers, faster server hardware, better code, more and faster whatever) or by making game changes that reduces the load. The first is obviously not economical for CCP, but the other might be. An example of such a change might be to ban trial accounts or really new accounts from jita, but then again that might cause unexpected consequenses.
Either way. It is an overload of the system and of course that is a problem and a fault. Your comparrisons with real-life is not valid because real-life is not a simulation, eve is (ok, in theory RL might be as well but there is no way to tell). RL exists on its own terms, eve exists to entertain the paying customers, therefore this is a fault and it is not overly bright to claim otherwise.
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.13 15:05:00 -
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i wish more builders/traders would setup outside jita. firstly, margins are better elsewhere. secondly, there are a lot of people who would rather pay 5-10m more for a new BS if they don't have to make 30 jumps back to jita. some things you can't even get at a fair price anywhere else but in market hubs (like rigs). of course, if i lose my ship today i could just set a buy order. and wait a month until someone fills it :).
of course if you churn out ships 23/7 and need to get rid of them pronto then you need to do that in jita because that's one of the few spots with enough market activity. i sometimes build some stuff on my industrial alt and sell it at systems closest to 0.0 entry points. it still sells within a day at much more profit than in jita. less competition ftw
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David GramSchmidt
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Posted - 2007.05.13 18:20:00 -
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I wish I'd know about this, I'm stuck there now.
On my first courier contract too. I'll loose my collateral at this rate :(
Couldn't CCP at least put up a warning before you take a gate into the system to warn you that you might get stuck on entering the system?
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insanebe
Caldari
soni Corp
Imperium Sonorumance
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Posted - 2007.05.13 18:27:00 -
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i can't login to change my fekking skills >.<
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Alkestior
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Posted - 2007.05.13 18:59:00 -
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One step is to make another area where Doomsday devices can't be set off.
So now I can't login...
They need to do SOMETHING. That's what game developers do, they make a game, then fix it after they've released it while it was still beta.
Oh look! It's another Microsoft strategy!
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Evil J
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Posted - 2007.05.13 19:06:00 -
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Someone sad avoid Jita, but my char is stucked there and I cant log in for hours... Who is responsible for this now? Me as I pay to play? I was playng many mmorpgs for abouth same monthly fee but this game gave me most technical issues..
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Paerb
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Posted - 2007.05.13 19:39:00 -
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I need to change a skill and cannot even login.
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grindel
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.13 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: grindel on 13/05/2007 20:31:33
Well, this amount of lag is well byeond the norm, and just unacceptable for paying customers to have to deal with. I have been unable to login for hours now. And to simply say " avoid Jita on Sundays ", well that seems to be avoiding the issue. Sunday is one of the few days a lot of us have to play uninterrupted.
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Leeluvv
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.13 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Leeluvv on 13/05/2007 20:35:45
The game stopped responding whilst I was AFK travelling. Unfortunately I didn't think about Jita being part way there, so now I'm sat on my ass looking at a login screen that keeps timing out...
Lee
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Leeluvv
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.13 20:47:00 -
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I just submitted a Stuck petition through the web site with the Subject of 'Jita'. A GM moved my char out of Jita within 1 minute.
Excellent service.
Lee
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Honey Dipped
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Posted - 2007.05.24 20:38:00 -
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According to 5 GMs I spoke to while fighting a petition - THERE IS NO LAG IN JITA Customer service FTL |
Solbright alt
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:33:00 -
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Last I checked, that was true, Jita runs smooth.
I strongly suspect people are confused about the problem they are experiencing. Or just are just trolling.
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Krystal Foxglove
Caldari
Subach-Tech
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.25 01:46:00 -
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You know, not to bring WoW into this but I have to...
Ironforge was NOTORIOUS for player created lag.. Blizzard upgraded servers... No more lag.
Suppose that there should be an upgrade to the servers to prevent "player" lag.
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maltari
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.25 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Solbright alt
Last I checked, that was true, Jita runs smooth.
I strongly suspect people are confused about the problem they are experiencing. Or just are just trolling.
Tell that to those who cannot even login somedays...
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Lili Lu
Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships
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Posted - 2007.05.25 02:38:00 -
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Why, did I ever even think i could go there and not be stuck in limbo. Yes, what this game needs is new content like "heat" so much more than a fix for mythical problems like Jita lag.
Sorry everyone, sarcastic whine, bourne of frustration at not being able to access contracts (the whole reason I went there), and then not being able to even relog sucessfully both before and after the emergency reboot.
 
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Solbright alt
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Posted - 2007.05.25 10:01:00 -
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The other possibility is you lot didn't read the many warning about outages this week.
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Garrach
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Posted - 2007.11.11 22:23:00 -
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Jita needs to use instances! Limit the max players to 100 per server and sort it out! I can't log in and it's winding me up! Do it! Do something!
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Orphine
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Posted - 2007.11.12 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Krystal Foxglove
You know, not to bring WoW into this but I have to...
Ironforge was NOTORIOUS for player created lag.. Blizzard upgraded servers... No more lag.
Suppose that there should be an upgrade to the servers to prevent "player" lag.
The scale involved here is different.
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Trazec
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Posted - 2007.11.12 12:16:00 -
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There's a simple way to avoid stuckness in Jita... don't go there. And more importantly, don't log out there. You do that and it's your own fault.
Follow those rules until the next cluster upgrade and you should be fine.
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Adolar Kron
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Posted - 2007.11.12 12:33:00 -
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And if you are in jita and could not log in, write a petition to ccp, that you want to set you out of jita.
10minutes later you could log in.
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Rompetrol
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.14 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Rompetrol on 14/11/2007 22:53:31
jita needs its security rating dropped to 0.4 .
that would indeed cure the problem
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hackjack
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Posted - 2007.11.15 12:50:00 -
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EASY FIX MAKE CONTRACKS SO YOU CAN BUY FROM ANY REGION
WE ALL NEW THIS WAS GOING HAPPEN WHEN THEY MADE THE NEW CONTACK SYSTEM
YES CAPS ......SORTED IT OUT ccp FOR LOVE OF GOD .
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Yanis IV
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:42:00 -
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ok... Jita sucks
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Ryou Shunitsu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:51:00 -
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Have had no problems playing the last 8 days of the 14 day trial, last night, after warping to Jita, experienced lag and game stopped working. I have been to Jita many times b4, and while there is some lag it has never caused the game to stop responding.
Tried to relog 6 times, each time the game stops at "entering the world" after character screen. On 7th try, managed to get in, but extremely laggy with none of the items/journal/chat/wallet etc working, managed to warp to Nay plant, but cannot dock, after that, lagged out again
Now been trying for 7 hours to relog, still cannot get in.
Before this, have done many missions, trading in Jita, only last nite problem occured...sigh,....hope my ship is ok...cant even change my skills
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Aequina
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:00:00 -
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Ok Devs. How about some comments here. Why make a new graphics system when you cant even play the game due to the lag.
You want more customers yet you cant even support the ones you have. Saila and Motsu are also incredibly lagged.
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Alekzander Rayne
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Posted - 2007.12.08 18:59:00 -
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Yeah decided to go to jita to buy some stuff now i cant even eneter the game. It just stays at the entering game at screen. Good thing I have a skill training for the next 4 weeks. Please fix this soon!
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Havoc GunStar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Havoc GunStar on 08/12/2007 19:26:13
Originally by: Krystal Foxglove
You know, not to bring WoW into this but I have to...
Ironforge was NOTORIOUS for player created lag.. Blizzard upgraded servers... No more lag.
Suppose that there should be an upgrade to the servers to prevent "player" lag.
Actually if you ever played WoW you should know that they linked the auction houses so that there was no 'single point of failure' market hub. No server upgrade or patch they ever introduced ever 'fixed' Ironforge when it all dirt roads led to it's auction house.
This might be less practical in EvE because lets say you link Rens and Jita's markets. Now you've introduced a way to transport goods from one region to another via the market. I doubt CCP wants to do that. In WoW, this is not a concern.
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Durzel
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Posted - 2007.12.09 05:13:00 -
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Nearly lost my ship in Jita earlier - had a combat mission there and although ordinarily I should've been able to deal with it with no problems, when I came out of warp at the target and tried activating my guns nothing happened....
About a minute later when the lag had caught up I was down to about 1/4 armour, and I only just managed to warp out :(
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Cmdr Krista
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Posted - 2007.12.09 17:14:00 -
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1) Bump
2) Anyone else notice that CCP seems oddly silent in the topics that really matter to us, the people that are paying thier wages?
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2007.12.09 22:19:00 -
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OH yeah I remember why I quit playing now. I'm stuck in Jita... gonna pettition. I came to see what Trinity was all about, good grief.
The new upgrades are all nice and dandy... but what was wrong with the graphics prior to trinity? I wouldn't fix anything that ain't broke!
FIX the stuff that is REALLY REALLY REALLY broken! Jita for one and your stupid POS problems. I see CCP does indeed like ignoring stuff like this; well what can I say... I have been happy with Vanguard even though they have technical difficulties heck so does WoW all MMOs do but then again at least all of them are playable unlike EVE Jita is not playable.
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Hanis Taziz
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Posted - 2007.12.09 23:05:00 -
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hi,
im just trying 1 hour to log in into Jita
10 tries....
its very bad cant login atm...
CCP do something ;)
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2007.12.10 00:29:00 -
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Cache cleared. |
Cheeva MekTor
Amarr
Pillagers Industry and Mining Squad
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Posted - 2007.12.10 01:21:00 -
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I petitioned and everything, and even asked for a character move. Its been hours but CCP hasn't helped any. When I tried to log on it wouldnt go past "Entering game as Cheeva Mektor" then it'd just kick me back to character selection screen. I'm finally out of that place but you'd think they'd fix the lag issues before adding more stuff to the game knowing trade hubs will get overcrowded. There was around 800 in Jita, maybe put a cap on the number of people from each corp or have trade hubs offer less items and spread the wealth to other systems so ppl will spread out more when buying or spread those who occupy the undock at 4-4.
/emote glares at Trinity with disgust.
I guess the old saying is true, you get what you pay for.
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Trent Clyde
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Posted - 2007.12.10 23:44:00 -
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I have cancelled my subscription today. To my mind the situation in Jita makes the game unplayable.
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Geckoman
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Posted - 2007.12.11 00:09:00 -
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The lag/log in problems are merely caused from too much bandwidth being taken from the server box hosting the jita system. If CCP upgrades the server box for better performance, the problems goes bye bye. Anyway, i only go to jita for large dropoffs or pickups anywho. I tend to stay in 0.6 - 0.3 area, rarely ever get lag. It doesn't make sense why you guys would cancel your accounts when it was your choice to go there in the first place when you know Jita is always packed, and now that another user record was set at 41k users on at once - you would think you would take that as a caution, especially in Jita.
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lutinman
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Posted - 2007.12.11 00:25:00 -
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fine.. unstuck me :( at least do something :(
i have scheduled all my skills from minute to minute...
coz im stuck at jita.. yeah sorry i had no other way to get from a to b... and now i
cant even change my skills!!!!
as i wont be able to login for at least 16 hours im losing a lot of skilltime! boooh!
*spits*
lol yeah am a bit ****ed :(
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Rann Thanagar
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Posted - 2007.12.11 00:43:00 -
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Bump
I now have two characters that can't complete missions or contracts because Jita is stuck. One character has been freed but cant get to the cargo he's contracted to carry for 500 million ISK. This character is still stuck after a couple hours just trying to get to the new Level 3 mission agent he worked his way up to.
This ruins the game to a certain extent when this crap is going on at least as regards Empire because you have to into Jita space to get to other areas with dealing with a gate camper or something.
I canceled the subscription on this, we'll see if they manage to do anything. I sort of wondering if they will even get the character unstuck tonight lol.
Guess I'll switch over to Tabla Rasa for a bit, I believe their servers are up.
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Freisha
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Posted - 2007.12.15 23:06:00 -
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I get stuck in jita when i try to go from one place to another. THe problem is a big part of caldari space is linked to another big part through jita.
sometimes i notice jita on the route list and go the long way (i think 6 jumps) to get around it.
what i think would serve best here is a system kind of like what we have on our local highway.
back in the day the highway was just another road, but as the region grew the road was turned into a highway. nobody wants to stop at a bunch of red lights in town while driving on the highway so before each city there is a "by pass" route that has maybe 1 or 2 red lights. it goes around the outside of the city and puts you back on the highway.
why cant the caldari government just institute a similar system where you can "bypass" all of the "redlights" in jita???
i'd love a check box right under neath the one that has "avoid systems where podkilling has occurred" that says "avoid jita" but instead of locking off that half of the map it just makes the gate your jumping into jump you right across to the next system you wanted "BYPASSING" jita.
Thanks
Freisha
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Lord Exlore
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Posted - 2007.12.16 00:11:00 -
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Warped into Jita and then EvE crashed, trying to log on for the 5th time now, how can you play the game if your character doesn't load. really really bad, CCP you cannot put a game on the market if its unplayable.
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NuroCorp
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Posted - 2007.12.16 00:35:00 -
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Its sucks to have to post in here but.... Jumped into Jita, client crashed, now after about 10 try's I cant get past 'Entering game'. Normally I spend about 5 mins a month in Jita, this time the hell hole has nabbed me.
1 hour of Log in attempts time has passed.....
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Nova Wildstar
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Posted - 2007.12.17 18:45:00 -
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Yeah, I submitted a petition on the Jita issue as well. It would seem common sense to have Autopilot just AVOID the system if it's not stopping there. In fact I seem to avoid it going one way, but hit it coming back on exactly the same waypoints.
You want to get people out of that system, seems a simple solution to AVOID it altogether. I would love to tell AP, AVOID this system, but I can't.
I also tried manually going around it, and found another problem. The reason Jita is such a bottleneck/hub, is BECAUSE it's a bottleneck/hub!!! WTF!!! I can't even go around the system unless I want to go like 10 jumps out of my way.
CCP, not that you will listen to this, because you don't seem to listen to anyone around here but YOU CAN FIX THIS DAMN PROBLEM!!!!!! Open up waypoints around Jita, re-route AP traffic AROUND Jita.. Sheesh...
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TLani
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Posted - 2007.12.20 00:50:00 -
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This is the worst case of people just not caring! I have spent well over 2 hours trying to log in. But beings I am in jita and my server crashed, I cant do a thing. I as a paying subscriber say to you CCP," Fix the damn Problem!" You have time on yur hands to upgrade graphics that only work for certain people anyways, why not spend some of that time and fix the major problem of Jita. You know some of us cannot avoid Jita when we are sent there by an agent. I mean really! What is your problem? Either fix the problem or cancell my account and you will have one less paying customer.
There, I have had my rant and I feel better. Now lets see about logging in again 
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Zerolaws
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Posted - 2007.12.20 01:08:00 -
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C'mon guys, don't be so cruel against the guys at CCP.
You just gotta stop whining and create a petition for "struck" on the website.
I had the same problem, after trying to login with no avail after half an hour, I've created a petition and after only 5 mins, I was free again on another system. The GMs are working out there, as far as I can tell.
I also received a kind message with some recommendations that I share here as below...
2007.12.20 00:57:00 GM Macayle
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Hi,
I have now moved your character out of Jita.
I suggest that you steer clear of Jita for now as we are experiencing some heavy load with the system, should you jump back in, you will almost certainly get stuck again.
If your autopilot has plotted a course through Jita, please disengage your autopilot and use the manual waypoint system to plot a course around Jita.
I apologize for the inconvenience.
Best regards,
GM Macayle
EVE Online Customer Support
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delta phi
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Posted - 2007.12.20 02:04:00 -
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ccp should close all missions in jita that would help some.
no agents,no missions, no asteroid fields, no npc convoys, off line all pos.
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delta phi
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Posted - 2007.12.20 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Trilori
OH yeah I remember why I quit playing now. I'm stuck in Jita... gonna pettition. I came to see what Trinity was all about, good grief.
The new upgrades are all nice and dandy... but what was wrong with the graphics prior to trinity? I wouldn't fix anything that ain't broke!
FIX the stuff that is REALLY REALLY REALLY broken! Jita for one and your stupid POS problems. I see CCP does indeed like ignoring stuff like this; well what can I say... I have been happy with Vanguard even though they have technical difficulties heck so does WoW all MMOs do but then again at least all of them are playable unlike EVE Jita is not playable.
can i have your stuff?
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Bradstone
Team Squirrel
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Posted - 2007.12.20 03:01:00 -
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I feel for you all having to wait so long with no skills training i really do nothing worse.
However i have a few ideas which could be acceptable for both the playing community and CCP.
1) Cap Jita local population to 600 people
2) Refuse entry via stargates into jita when population has hit this number
3) For those logging into Jita when population cap is in place, the server redirects them to a nearby system docking them in a station and informing them the system is full. Then you can change your skills and then log off or continue as you were.
4) I think i saw someone mention this above, remove all useless stations, why does jita have so many if only 1 is really a main?
5) Limit the amount of local chat entries to 1 per person per 60 seconds. Even those this really wont help the lag it will limit the sellers of illegal items hint hint and scammers.
6) Make Jita a one gate system. remove it as a highway and make it a dead end. it wont make it a dead system but would ease the flow of unnecessary autopilot traffic.
7) Disconnect idle users when no movement is detected for over 30 minutes.
These steps could reduce the lag for the active players in Jita, would reduce work load for the GMÆs and could spark smaller market systems near jita for those waiting to get in.
Lag is a major issue.. i am in a system now where eve has been unplayable for 5 days... but give ccp some more time, i donÆt think even they expected the server load we are currently having 
As a game designer myself, my hat goes of to CCP.
Hope these ideas are accepted by the community 
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Laramon Questor
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.12.20 05:28:00 -
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One idea that's in the process (read: years of complaining) of being hammered into the Dev's heads was the offline skill queue. Letting people change their skills from the "My Character" page is something that has been needed for a long time. While it won't fix lag in Jita, those who can't log on during unexpected DTs or lag in Jita/somewhere else can rest easy knowing they can change their skill at the very least.
I like the idea of Jita having limited access and an almost dead-endedness. 1 gate is too few, as it will be too easy to camp, but making sure that it takes more jumps to get from one place to another through Jita than through any other path would help (like Jita could still be connected to 5 systems, which are all connected to each other so that going through Jita is 2j while it's only 1j to all the other 4 systems. I wish I could explain it better, but the image is clear in my head).
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Liason, Angel Cartel
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delta phi
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Posted - 2007.12.20 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bradstone
I feel for you all having to wait so long with no skills training i really do nothing worse.
However i have a few ideas which could be acceptable for both the playing community and CCP.
1) Cap Jita local population to 600 people
2) Refuse entry via stargates into jita when population has hit this number
3) For those logging into Jita when population cap is in place, the server redirects them to a nearby system docking them in a station and informing them the system is full. Then you can change your skills and then log off or continue as you were.
4) I think i saw someone mention this above, remove all useless stations, why does jita have so many if only 1 is really a main?
5) Limit the amount of local chat entries to 1 per person per 60 seconds. Even those this really wont help the lag it will limit the sellers of illegal items hint hint and scammers.
6) Make Jita a one gate system. remove it as a highway and make it a dead end. it wont make it a dead system but would ease the flow of unnecessary autopilot traffic.
7) Disconnect idle users when no movement is detected for over 30 minutes.
These steps could reduce the lag for the active players in Jita, would reduce work load for the GMÆs and could spark smaller market systems near jita for those waiting to get in.
Lag is a major issue.. i am in a system now where eve has been unplayable for 5 days... but give ccp some more time, i donÆt think even they expected the server load we are currently having
As a game designer myself, my hat goes of to CCP.
Hope these ideas are accepted by the community
good ideas but also limit the amount of ppl that can doc at the station afk or not.
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DecimusBloodWalker
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Posted - 2007.12.30 18:22:00 -
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No..NO INSTANCES in Eve... Instances kill the MMO feel ...
This is not friggin GuildWars..dont post absurd ideas here..
CCP needs to upgrade servers...load balancing...anything or any how...for the paying customer..not being able to log in even for a day is absurd..
CCP ARE YOU HEARING ME???????
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Necrosjef Three
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Posted - 2008.01.13 20:25:00 -
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Im stucking waiting to login. Wish I had known about this before I logged out there, been waiting 45minutes.
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Ice Queen1
Gallente
Independent Industries
Amicitia
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Posted - 2008.01.13 20:44:00 -
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Yep still waiting here aswell.
Dont know if my navy mega docked or not
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Ice Queen1
Gallente
Independent Industries
Amicitia
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Posted - 2008.01.13 21:03:00 -
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2 minutes after the stuck petition i was moved.
Thanks CCP...your GM's work fast |
DaXmYsT
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Posted - 2008.01.13 21:09:00 -
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Thx for stucking me =) it workes finde.
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Eli Rait
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Posted - 2008.01.13 21:59:00 -
[57]
Just would like to add that this problem, HAS TO BE FIXED.
Players getting stuck through jumps and within system is unacceptable.
we are paying money to play and not to stare at the loading screen.
ridiculous.
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Ramar Unio
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:44:00 -
[58]
I can't login in a game for an hour after i jump to Jita from New Caldari. And its still going. I see "Entering game" and thats all. Somebody ever can solve this problem or drop this system from the game, damn...
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Ramar Unio
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:24:00 -
[59]
Can anyone DO SOMETHING with that???
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Blackjack Turner
Caldari
Inverted Awareness
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:42:00 -
[60]
Holy smokin' necros Batman!! This post was originally from January of 2007!!
I think it's safe to say that Jita's lag issues are not going away any time soon. Jita is like a busy freeway you have to use frequently. Learn the times of day and what days of the week you should not travel there.
Should something be done about it? Yes. Am I going to quit the game because I can't get into Jita? No. I don't go to Jita on the weekend unless it's really early or really late. And yeah, I learned that by filing stuck petitions on at least two occasions.
And... this horse died last year, let's bury it. 
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Blue Moons
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:04:00 -
[61]
It IS a bit shocking to see such an old thread describe so accurately the problem I'm dealing with tonight... I hope it isnt usually like this, but some sort of freak accident on CCP's side. As a contracter I cannot opt to just bypass Jita. Jita is my lifeblood and the heart of my operations - it is a trading hub after all!
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Ramar Unio
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:25:00 -
[62]
i just wonder how long this can be...-) I can't login already 3 hours...-)
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Van Baerle
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Posted - 2008.02.09 19:30:00 -
[63]
Simple workaround that nobody seems to have mentioned: Start trading one jump out of Jita - spread it out a little.
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trsttesttest
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Posted - 2008.02.09 21:26:00 -
[64]
Yup, this forum thread is a year old and Jita hasn't been fixed yet.
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CaLdArIaN AdMiRaL
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Posted - 2008.02.22 21:39:00 -
[65]
Yeah really bad today.
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Jahnweh
Virakar
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Posted - 2008.02.22 22:31:00 -
[66]
Fix it already CCP. Your devs do get paid to fix this sort of thing, right? No new features before bugs are fixed, k?
- Jahnweh
Arrogance Unlimited
No Politics, No POS's, just PvP
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Hamishka
Caldari
DROW Org
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.02.22 23:51:00 -
[67]
I was just trying to pass through Jita, didnt think anything bad would happen... now i'm locked out of the game, can't login, and have been waiting 30 min. Seriously, this is bad. :/
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Orexis Kirhal
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Posted - 2008.02.23 00:06:00 -
[68]
I've been locked out for over an hour. Try to login, and it keeps sending me back to the char selection screen after 10 minutes of waiting.
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Cypher V
Minmatar
Silent-I.K.Y
The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.23 00:25:00 -
[69]
I can't log in either, just stops loading once I've chosen which character to log in with...
CCP, **** the pretty graphics off, and start thinking about gameplay issues.
nuff said I think.
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Minmatar suck? Shoulda done my research -_-
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Considered
Caldari
Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity
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Posted - 2008.02.23 04:48:00 -
[70]
If CCP nerfed Jita, another system would become the new Jita hub. My guess would be somewhere like "Amarr" or "Yulai".
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CaLdArIaN AdMiRaL
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Posted - 2008.02.23 21:54:00 -
[71]
Fix it already. Not paying to be in a lag fest.
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Equinius Vindicator
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.23 22:14:00 -
[72]
I just recently started my 14 day trial and I like what I've seen so far.
On the other hand I find it seriously frustrating to read (experience ingame),
that laggissues such as this haven't been dealt with for nearly a YEAR by now.
I've been hoping first that it's a shortlived problem which will just take a day,
max a week, to fix.
Right now I'm wondering if the game is really worth the monthly fee. 
I'll finish my trial and decide then, but right now it's a close call that I'll be looking for something else.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Under Heavy Fire
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Posted - 2008.02.26 13:24:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Steyr Daghan
Edited by: Steyr Daghan on 12/05/2007 10:30:46
Originally by: Oriella Trikassi
Jita lag is player created. There is no possible change that CCP can make to the game to remove it
BS. Of course there are changes they could make to remove it. So far they haven't come up with a way to solve it that makes economical sense (obviously, otherwise thye'd have done it). But it's just plain ignorant to say it is not possible to solve by technical means.
Originally by: Oriella Trikassi
It's a game feature, not a bug or fault.
Of course it is a fault. The system (technical real-life system, not star system) is overloaded. The servers and/or software cannot handle the current load. Obviously that is a fault.
There are two ways to solve the lag. Either by brute force, making the system able to handle a greater load (more servers, faster server hardware, better code, more and faster whatever) or by making game changes that reduces the load. The first is obviously not economical for CCP, but the other might be. An example of such a change might be to ban trial accounts or really new accounts from jita, but then again that might cause unexpected consequenses.
Either way. It is an overload of the system and of course that is a problem and a fault. Your comparrisons with real-life is not valid because real-life is not a simulation, eve is (ok, in theory RL might be as well but there is no way to tell). RL exists on its own terms, eve exists to entertain the paying customers, therefore this is a fault and it is not overly bright to claim otherwise.
Not too bright, are you? They have already upgraded the Jita node twice. Result? Less lag for a week or two, then people bogged the system even more because "Hey, it's not lagging anymore lol!". Great, now it's lagging again. Only way to solve Jita lag is to remove it. And then some other system becomes the new Jita. Like has happened before.
YOU can solve Jita lag. Don't go there.
Originally by: "Cris Dono"
That ofc isn't the best thing when a punisher obviously fitted with an Acme Infini-cap-o-matic is still dishing out hurt like there was no tomorrow :(
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Enkilil
Minmatar
Carbon Moon Corporation
Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.26 13:35:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Considered
If CCP nerfed Jita, another system would become the new Jita hub. My guess would be somewhere like "Amarr" or "Yulai".
Rens.
BTW: They can't Nerf Jita. I doubt they even know how.
PROVE ME WRONG CCP.
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Ordon Gundar
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Posted - 2008.04.02 14:13:00 -
[75]
I second the comment made somewhere above. I am a new player, and it took me two hours to pass through Jita the other day. Going the long way round is a nightmare. We shouldnt have to do this. CCP need to find a way of allowing more bypasses by adding stargates to systems close by. All this "we create the problem by playing" is rubbish. Ok then, we will solve CCP`s problems by cancelling our accounts. They will all need new jobs. Good-bye EvE.
They need to sort it. How much money are CCP wasting by paying developers to unstick characters from Jita? They need to "discover" a few deep space "Accelerator Gates" around Jita that allow you to skip the system.
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LobbyZombie
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Posted - 2008.04.02 20:21:00 -
[76]
No. CCP can't fix it, However! I passed it just fine (a little lag) and you know why? I upgraded my connection .. And i got a sucky computer .. SO explain why I diden't get disconnected OR stuck when passing Jita?
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Rumtseyes McShade
Beach Boys
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Posted - 2008.04.03 14:40:00 -
[77]
When I was hanging around in The Forge, for first 3-4 months, the main problem was that when I was setting up destination and turning autopilot on, most of the time i was passing Jita. It's a crossroad, hard to avoid, if you don't want to plot your course manually. So adding useful option "avoid listed systems" to autopilot would help a lot i think.
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Nautsyn Thome
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Posted - 2008.04.04 08:01:00 -
[78]
Dont know if it was suggested already but, why dont put a player limit on the system, so that if the system gets unresponsive, the entry gates start to deny access till its responsive again?
yes it's not a solution, but it would help. people wouldnt get stuck, people wouldnt be ****ed off that much. they had to wait on the gates, sure, or choose another destination.
i think this would be better than to fill jita up till it drops, as long as there is no other solution.
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Daath Achura
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Posted - 2008.04.06 22:35:00 -
[79]
I've been stuck now for more than an hour. Fix it!
Make jita into one big station! Implement InterBus so it hauls for players stuff from and to Jita one or two jumps! Solve it FFS!!!
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Z33D
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Posted - 2008.04.13 19:31:00 -
[80]
what really annoys me is not the lag in Jita, but the fact that when I decided... ok.. im going to open a petition to ask to be unstuck from Jita... i was greeted with a message saying...
"You are not allowed to make a petition because you have exceeded your limit for today".
ok... 1. this is the first petition i have ever created in EVE, let alone TODAY. and 2. very rude GM or automated system that caused this message. 3. either fire that GM or throw away that program, not acceptable message to my first ever petition. 4. others make petitions to get unstuck from Jita and they get their wish, why not me?
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Tau Delta
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:03:00 -
[81]
I'm stuck for 2 hrs now. And a skill finished 1 hour ago. I cant select another skill to be learned -.-
Pls fix this problem...
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Andrew Xuntel
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Posted - 2008.04.14 20:07:00 -
[82]
How to not get stuck in jita in easy to follow steps :
1. Try to avoid this sistem i know i know stuff might be cheaper and in larger quantities but it's your fault for pushing the servers limit.
2.If you really have to go to jita avoid "rush-hours" like weekends or evenings.
3.Did your business ? Then get out !
4.Stop spamming local if someone want's your faction door knob or officer windshield wiper they can search the contracts by themselves .
5.Don't log out in jita , chances you'll log back in sucesfully are slim . (try near downtimes)
5.Got stuck ? Stop posting here and crying like a baby and file a petition .
One ideea to lighten the load would be to limit players to place sell/buy orders for speciffic types of merchandise in speciffic sistems (jita would be module hub next sistem would be mineral hub etc... all in the same constelation) give each sistem it's own node . That or make jita 0.0 and disable local chat .
PS Whoever does not agree please make your own mmorpg.
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Avid Amari
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Posted - 2008.04.15 09:29:00 -
[83]
Im sure its not hardware related, as CCP clearly bathes in cash monthly.
Its engine related. After all like all great game engines out there, they all have a concurent (multi)player limit to them.
Either its 16, 20, 32, 64 player game at any given time.
Unless they find a way to program a way that many more clients can coexist in one system (atleast 8x more) Jitta and other systems will still be laggy.
Brute force is the stupidest first choice you would choose if youre a game developer. I mean, if you allready own a super computer and have some fancy network switches at your disposal you will never see 100% load. But the problem still persists. Why all this lag even if you have all this power?
Programming and stupid use of generic drivers/software etc.
Write your own. Optimize it to your needs.
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Pardit Lastor
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Posted - 2008.04.16 05:58:00 -
[84]
Don't go to Jita. Or buy stuff from another system and make out a hauler contract for that. Let someone else do it for you, I do! Props to haulers!
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Armaso
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Posted - 2008.05.25 20:06:00 -
[85]
Ridiculous....How is this not fixed yet? How many months has it been? Unfreakinacceptable. You guys need to fire some devs/programmers and get some in there with an ounce of know how. |
Nekkro Taal
Free Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.26 20:39:00 -
[86]
I dont profess to understand how the Eve computer system works and niether can I be bothered to troll through the 3 previous pages of posts all relating to the same issue, no doubt this question has been asked before but I will ask again, how is it that I can run 2 clients, one flying with no lag/problems in Lonetrek whilst the other freezes on jump in to jita and then refuses to log in. This would clearly seem to mean there is a hardware/resources issue server side and if so why cannot Jita be split into 2 or 3 segments interconnected say, Gates to control jumping etc, another for stations local space and stations themselves (maybe J4 Cnap needs its own server if it has not already got one).
Whilst on the subject of lag it is noticable the game performance degrades when the player population rises above 22k or so. I notice this as I play at all times of the day GMT time and during normal UK working hours Eve is smooth with opening wrecks/ cans / market searches all happening pretty much as they used to 2 to 3 years ago however as I said when population rises much above 22k lag starts to appear. To this end I would suggest CCP start to consider splitting Eve in half population wise to maintain game performance. By this I do not mean 2 separate enviroments but just to control numbers(say do it by balancing regions) which are clearly affecting some part of the hardware/game.
The sad thing is even with the 'best' hardware available today Eve is growing out of it so things will only get worse more of the time unless a radical change is persued. I have been playing for 3 years plus now and have to admit I enjoyed the game far more when there were max 12k people online on Sundays. Having said that Eve is still the best which is why I am still here. |
Gooba Budd
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Posted - 2008.06.07 23:47:00 -
[87]
I've spent about half an hour trying to log in now. I've gotten in but I can't seem to undock from the station. Speaking without any knowledge of the code that CPP has written for this game, I think there are serious resource management problems with the current code. Something is being handled really inefficiently.
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Hapenog
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Posted - 2008.08.26 00:11:00 -
[88]
May be CCP can add for example a checkbox with "do not load all player's ships in solar system" and "disable chat" - because if you want to go through Jita - you don't need to see or communicate with other players in system.
and move all agent missions from Jita to somewhere else.
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Sleepkevert
Amarr
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.26 02:25:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Hapenog
May be CCP can add for example a checkbox with "do not load all player's ships in solar system" and "disable chat" - because if you want to go through Jita - you don't need to see or communicate with other players in system.
and move all agent missions from Jita to somewhere else.
Lolnecro. Also not going to happen, best solution for now would be an "avoid Jita" option in autopilot.
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Verx Interis
Amarr
Aurora Security
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.26 05:41:00 -
[90]
There once was Yulai
Now there is Jita instead.
If it gets "fixed" it just moves.
There is no escaping it.
MUWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
(dreadnoughts are also possibly the most boring ship you could fly. It's like mining, without the part where you make money)
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desintox
Square Dimensions
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:11:00 -
[91]
Why don't they just create another system right next to Jita where also all the traffic can go through.
Even if someone doesn't want to be in Jita for selling/buying things, then they still have to travel through it reach other systems nearby.
So why not have a system next to Jita wich would always be used by the autopilot when you are travelling through that area.
So only the people that really Want to be in Jita for selling/buying can set their autopilot to Jita directly.
This at least would seperate the traders and the travellers and the load in Jita would be a bit less already.
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tortelduifje
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Posted - 2008.08.30 22:46:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Havoc GunStar
Edited by: Havoc GunStar on 08/12/2007 19:26:13
Originally by: Krystal Foxglove
You know, not to bring WoW into this but I have to...
Ironforge was NOTORIOUS for player created lag.. Blizzard upgraded servers... No more lag.
Suppose that there should be an upgrade to the servers to prevent "player" lag.
Actually if you ever played WoW you should know that they linked the auction houses so that there was no 'single point of failure' market hub. No server upgrade or patch they ever introduced ever 'fixed' Ironforge when it all dirt roads led to it's auction house.
This might be less practical in EvE because lets say you link Rens and Jita's markets. Now you've introduced a way to transport goods from one region to another via the market. I doubt CCP wants to do that. In WoW, this is not a concern.
sorry for the ot.
actually if u ever played wow u should have know ironforge was the main hub for its central location, and that the actionhouse linking didnt changed much, atleast not on the server i play on.
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Sky Zixx
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Posted - 2008.08.31 18:25:00 -
[93]
Hi CCP,
Tried the trial, like the game! Bought an account! It's not even 24 hours old. Made the mistake of logging out in Jita. Hey, I'm a noob, apparently this is a noob mistake. Now, less than a day after I buy an account, I can't even log in to play. Already wondering if I made a bad decision by purchasing an account...
Seriously, a game that's been around as long as EVE has, you would have thought these types of issues would have been fixed... ummm... years ago?? As a paying customer, I don't care what the issue is, just freaking fix it.
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DraconisBeta
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Posted - 2008.08.31 19:31:00 -
[94]
Omg....
I just logged out in Jita with my trial new alt, trying to log in and...simply cannot!
I thought I had a computer/connection problem, so I came here to post and ask for any solution, but I just found that the problem is caused by all theese connections in hub...freaking.
You need to connect Jita market to another system's market to divide traffic..it is the only solution!
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Andy Caldair
League of shadows.
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Posted - 2008.08.31 23:26:00 -
[95]
Here is a response I got from CCP:
"Thank you for notifying us about your lag issues. CCP is well aware of the lag in various systems and with FW. However, we already have your money, so go frag yourself."
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In the beginning the universe was created. This made a lot of people angry and has widely been considered as a bad move. - Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy
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Sophie007
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Posted - 2008.09.14 23:18:00 -
[96]
I'm currently stuck in Jita hahaha. Been stuck for a few hours since I logged off and it's Sunday evening...how stupid of me!!
I hope I'm able to login in the morning at least to change a skill training!
Seriously though, this should have been fixed or at the very least majorly improved by this point in EVE's continuous development..
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EveJoker
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.09.15 09:20:00 -
[97]
Speed nerfs ftw \o/
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Sweet Rosella
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.09.15 11:48:00 -
[98]
Originally by: ISD BH Pirlouit
Hi Willow,
Jita lag is indeed a MAJOR pain. I experienced it myself today and it was real bad. Sharkbait tried to explain to us mere mortals what is going on but it is mostly due to the sheer number of people in the system. I am sure they are aware of the issue and remember the need for speed initiative is there to also improve the situation.
Beside, I remember that they are thinking of making a constellation wide delivery system with interbus so to relieve the hub issue.
For now, we just have to try to avoid Jita especially on a sunday.
U know if we get inter-bus its going to change the market as we know it, prices will just plummet as the only way your be able to sell anything is by being the cheapestcasue no one will need to travel to buy anything, it will crash the market, no one will be able to earn isk from trade and there is going to be an uproar about those who infested skills in trade.
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Sweet Rosella
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.09.15 11:51:00 -
[99]
just introduce a congestion charge, will force people who only want to buy 1 item to a different system, and those that want to buy a ship and all its fittings will still be worth there while to go there, it frigging makes sense
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xinthorminaias
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Posted - 2008.09.21 12:10:00 -
[100]
Charging for entry and queing systems are the way to solve this. e.g. perhaps you pay a higher ISK for shorter que time. Congestion is a feature of human civilisation and dealing with in a realistic way could add to the game.
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cragz
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.21 12:32:00 -
[101]
Charging isk to enter the system or a running char for time spent in the system would most definatly help but as ive said before maybe CCP could get there programmers to add in some extra script into the game to auto-eject In-active players from the system
Removing all agents in the system is another idea and also .. all the major traders in eve could help by setting up shop in adjacent systems to help split the loadout between jita and on or more other systems.
Last but not least they could even delete the entire system from the servers data base taking all the resident bandwidth consuming SCAMMERS with it LOL
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Mohenna
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Posted - 2008.09.21 16:00:00 -
[102]
hey guys, is jita at least possible to move through today? yesterday I got stuck there... Sadly I bought a book in Itomo and that's a dead end, with jita being the only way out :(
(Maurasi should be connected to New Caldari...)
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Skyee
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Posted - 2008.09.21 18:10:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Skyee on 21/09/2008 18:13:14
Edited by: Skyee on 21/09/2008 18:11:06
Edited by: Skyee on 21/09/2008 18:10:37
From the news there has been a change at DT today.
This means you cannot jump into any system that has more than a certain amount of players in it.
This also means that anyone that anyone that logged out in one of these systems will not be able to log in,
which will explain the problems that people are experiencing there as the moment. If you are in this situation
then you need to submit a petition to get put out of the system so you can log in. Make sure you submit this as
a Stuck Petition as these are given priority.
For the Devs, there is one thing that can be done, there are some systems that can only be accessed through Jita. this means
that anyone trying to get in or out of these systems will need to go through Jita.
A simple solution would be to provide by-pass gates that would allow people to go around Jita when accessing these systems, this
should also take some of of the load of Jita as it will not need to be used as a transit route :)
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Sir Buff
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Posted - 2008.09.29 00:33:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Skyee
For the Devs, there is one thing that can be done, there are some systems that can only be accessed through Jita. this means that anyone trying to get in or out of these systems will need to go through Jita.
A simple solution would be to provide by-pass gates that would allow people to go around Jita when accessing these systems, this
should also take some of of the load of Jita as it will not need to be used as a transit route :)
This is what makes Jita, Jita...the fact that it connects different key systems. If you get "Stuck" a 100% solution I've found is to log in from a different computer. Makes me wonder if this issue is entirely on the client side, rather than the server. It gets me unstuck every time. However, you have to leave the station and re-dock before you can log in on your "main" computer.
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