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Touched darkness
The Hand Trade Alliance FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:15:00 -
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Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
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Xelphior
Caldari Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 22:18:27
Originally by: Touched darkness Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
in a fight its not size and firepower
its Skill and Strategy.
bob have proven time and again they can take odds of 3-1 against.
relook at ya facts
added to the fact bob + allies have 3 titans, if a substantial number of ships came in, they'd get nuked multiple times.
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xArmagedunx
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Xelphior read post by max hammer on page 17, has links that proves there wasnt one, hippo a goonswarm ceo admitted it, all screenied etc, take a look.
Goonswarm CEO?
      
You know he just got referred in 6 weeks ago, and has absolutely no power, right? He isn't even a somethingawful member.
Oh wait, this is CAOD. Goonswarm CEO!
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:23:00 -
[544]
did a fetus pop? did one not?
know what this reminds me of? princess bride. the part when the short guy and the main character have the 'battle of the wits'
------------- BoB: All right. Where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right... and who is dead.
Bandwagon: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
BoB: You've made your decision then?
Bandwagon: Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows..blahblahblah(too long of a convo to paste it all) ------------
in the end its revealed that the main character (bob) has actually set up a no win situation for the short guy (coalition) who then walks blindly into his own death 
As is always the case, ppl are going to believe whatever they want to. Nice to finally see the post from bob though! They like to make us wait.. (i think its a form of forum foreplay?)
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Centerfold
Caldari Underworld
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Touched darkness Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:30:00 -
[546]
Just to bring up a point, who's to say that they both weren't active, and that one had the aeon and the other a leviathon? --
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:31:00 -
[547]
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
lol? This is not ancient greek battle. This is eve. In eve, numbers that are willing, win. --
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Xelphior
Caldari Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:37:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
lol? This is not ancient greek battle. This is eve. In eve, numbers that are willing, win.
not always.
many factors decide a battle other than numbers.
1, persons skill 2, the FC abilities 3, control of the field
are some examples.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:40:00 -
[549]
Edited by: Marcus Druallis on 03/04/2007 22:38:22
Originally by: Xelphior
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
lol? This is not ancient greek battle. This is eve. In eve, numbers that are willing, win.
not always.
many factors decide a battle other than numbers.
1, persons skill 2, the FC abilities 3, control of the field
are some examples.
We aren't talking 'bout Privvy's facing off against BoB here. It's the northern coalition, and you know damn well that if the forces evenly matched off, the firepower that they brought would have overwhelmed them. BoB is damn good, but they are not invincible. (Insert tinfoil here). --
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:41:00 -
[550]
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
i saw that movie. I'm pretty sure the Persians were trying to crash the node.
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Tunajuice
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:43:00 -
[551]
Originally by: Marcus Druallis Just to bring up a point, who's to say that they both weren't active, and that one had the aeon and the other a leviathon?
Reports of spies planted in BOB.
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Xlander
Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:45:00 -
[552]
Originally by: Marcus Druallis Just to bring up a point, who's to say that they both weren't active, and that one had the aeon and the other a leviathon?
Because before the attack your own coalition spy posted the pic that showed only one item being made in a capital shipyard in the system. If there had been both an Aeon and a Titan cooking in that system his pic would have shown both cooking. That is why this whole conversation came up about the Aeon in the first place because it was your spy that found something cooking in the system, only it was the Aeon in the other shipyard instead of a Titan in the shipyard you destroyed.
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Xelphior
Caldari Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:49:00 -
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see the problem witht he northen alliances is, the misconception they have about bobs so called pets, they are anything but toothless, and considering i knew all that was happening, bobs cap fleet wasnt much smaller than CT's, plus several fleets around target area, why you think the CT's fleet had to try a jumpbridge as the area was locked down. tbh if it did turn out to be a full on slug fest, id love to see how it went, id say theres a good chance of either side winning that one
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:55:00 -
[554]
Originally by: Xelphior Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 22:18:27
Originally by: Touched darkness Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
in a fight its not size and firepower
its Skill and Strategy.
bob have proven time and again they can take odds of 3-1 against.
relook at ya facts
added to the fact bob + allies have 3 titans, if a substantial number of ships came in, they'd get nuked multiple times.
Skill in F-T ????!!!!! the biggest majority of the coalition fleet in F-T never loaded the screen...
Strategie in F-T ????? The biggest majority of the coalition fleet werent even allowed to jump in. A Titan wasnt alowed to jump in, 100 tec2 BS from D2 werent alowed to jump in... almost 1000 ships werent alowed to jump in.
3-1 odds ???? The coalition fleet in F-T was outnumbered because someone remembered to cap the system.
After your statment I have to ask...Have you even been there ??? 
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Xelphior
Caldari Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 23:04:15 look at corp history and then ask me that =p think ul find i saw lots and heard everything.
as i said, they had a tactical advantage, and you became victim to it. whats amusing is the fact u lost 50 cap ships to an empty pos and ive heard nothing but whaa whaa whaa from the coalition thus far, kinda makes ya look like kids.
anyways, its night night time for me, g'nite.
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:14:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Xelphior hippo a goonswarm ceo

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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:28:00 -
[557]
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
hmm best not to use an example for skill against numbers when numbers overwhelmed skill at the end, granted this is only referencing the movie as I am not privy to every detail of the actual event, but lemme break down your example here
*spoilers*at the end of the movie all the somewhat talentless allies of the spartans abandon them and the spartans are obliterated save the one who left with the abandoning allies to tell the story..... all because the persians found a way around there perfect defense strategy(in your example the bob skill and equipment gap) so you are basically quoting something that validates the exact counterpoint to your argument*spoilers*
in the immortal words of the Guiness Draught tv comercial guys.... Brilliant!
Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:31:00 -
[558]
Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 03/04/2007 23:27:30 the lesson to be learned, it seems, is that there are limits to the number of pilots a single system can handle. the coalition complains that 1k pilots could not enter the system. Why would you base your plan on the assumption that you can FIT anywhere near that number in a system, when you know you cant? unless your only plan was to crash the node. A smart commander would understand the limitations presented by server architecture and current technology, and work with them. for example, lets say you know you wont be able to get more than 400 ships in system. You get the ships in first that you need most, followed by those you need alil less, ect. and you plan your strategy to account for the numbers you can field, not the numbers you would like to field.
having a plan relying on the ability to place 1500 pilots in a system system, never mind whatever pilots the enemy has placed, is folly. my two cents at least. bawk
http://nhimebaugh.wetpaint.com/ Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Kespii
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Touched darkness Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
hahahah, this is a prime example of the priorities of the coalition. Skills > Zerg...it works like that in most mmos
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Kespii
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:40:00 -
[560]
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
lol? This is not ancient greek battle. This is eve. In eve, numbers that are willing, win.
This line of thinking is why Bob will win. There is a significant level of skill involved in fleet combat, but you wouldnt know that, you guys didnt even put up a fleet battle in the ascn war
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Kespii
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:43:00 -
[561]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Xelphior Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 22:18:27
Originally by: Touched darkness Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
in a fight its not size and firepower
its Skill and Strategy.
bob have proven time and again they can take odds of 3-1 against.
relook at ya facts
added to the fact bob + allies have 3 titans, if a substantial number of ships came in, they'd get nuked multiple times.
Skill in F-T ????!!!!! the biggest majority of the coalition fleet in F-T never loaded the screen...
Strategie in F-T ????? The biggest majority of the coalition fleet werent even allowed to jump in. A Titan wasnt alowed to jump in, 100 tec2 BS from D2 werent alowed to jump in... almost 1000 ships werent alowed to jump in.
3-1 odds ???? The coalition fleet in F-T was outnumbered because someone remembered to cap the system.
After your statment I have to ask...Have you even been there ??? 
if your guys entered the system there would of been NO BATTLE AT ALL
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EzSnake
Caldari Cereal Killerz deadspace society
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:46:00 -
[562]
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 02/04/2007 15:04:19
The system of F-T always had 2 Capital Shipyards, one building, the other empty, moon 2.1 and 6.1. We have had 2 serious attacks, one on the 2.1 POS, one on the 6.1 POS. Both times, the towers were reinforced by AAA.
The first attempt at a kill on 2.1, was blocked out totally, as the coalition never managed to get a fleet into the system. We closed down the routes properly, and by the time they were anywhere near the POS had been healed.
After this, we knew they would try again, and again, so... the trap was set. We reinforced the 6.1 POS with as much gear as we could, anchored 6 large bubbles around it, and generally left the 2.1 POS with no new gear or anything, everything was concentrated on the 6.1 POS.
Nice try Molle, very believable, but ALL propaganda and now I DO believe you lost a Titan or Mother ship in that POS...(and I'm sure someone else pointed this out already (don't have time to read 19 pages) but just in-case I'll post it)....
According to your post, quoted above, they just took out 2.1 POS as part of your "trap" and nothing was being built. However according to your own sides FRAPS, HERE!!! it clearly shows the POS under attack is indeed the 6-1 POS!!!!
I think the term is ...Proof or STFU...Well guess what time it is for you! Proof made! least proof enough to debunk your "we planned this big trap" propaganda.
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Drake Mezcal
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:12:00 -
[563]
Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 04/04/2007 00:14:19
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Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:16:00 -
[564]
Originally by: EzSnake
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 02/04/2007 15:04:19
The system of F-T always had 2 Capital Shipyards, one building, the other empty, moon 2.1 and 6.1. We have had 2 serious attacks, one on the 2.1 POS, one on the 6.1 POS. Both times, the towers were reinforced by AAA.
The first attempt at a kill on 2.1, was blocked out totally, as the coalition never managed to get a fleet into the system. We closed down the routes properly, and by the time they were anywhere near the POS had been healed.
After this, we knew they would try again, and again, so... the trap was set. We reinforced the 6.1 POS with as much gear as we could, anchored 6 large bubbles around it, and generally left the 2.1 POS with no new gear or anything, everything was concentrated on the 6.1 POS.
Nice try Molle, very believable, but ALL propaganda and now I DO believe you lost a Titan or Mother ship in that POS...(and I'm sure someone else pointed this out already (don't have time to read 19 pages) but just in-case I'll post it)....
According to your post, quoted above, they just took out 2.1 POS as part of your "trap" and nothing was being built. However according to your own sides FRAPS, HERE!!! it clearly shows the POS under attack is indeed the 6-1 POS!!!!
I think the term is ...Proof or STFU...Well guess what time it is for you! Proof made! least proof enough to debunk your "we planned this big trap" propaganda.
Idiot...he said 6-1 was the trap. reading comprehension ftw!
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Ka'lorn Font'a
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:23:00 -
[565]
Edited by: Ka''lorn Font''a on 04/04/2007 00:23:15
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Originally by: EzSnake
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 02/04/2007 15:04:19
The system of F-T always had 2 Capital Shipyards, one building, the other empty, moon 2.1 and 6.1. We have had 2 serious attacks, one on the 2.1 POS, one on the 6.1 POS. Both times, the towers were reinforced by AAA.
The first attempt at a kill on 2.1, was blocked out totally, as the coalition never managed to get a fleet into the system. We closed down the routes properly, and by the time they were anywhere near the POS had been healed.
After this, we knew they would try again, and again, so... the trap was set. We reinforced the 6.1 POS with as much gear as we could, anchored 6 large bubbles around it, and generally left the 2.1 POS with no new gear or anything, everything was concentrated on the 6.1 POS.
Nice try Molle, very believable, but ALL propaganda and now I DO believe you lost a Titan or Mother ship in that POS...(and I'm sure someone else pointed this out already (don't have time to read 19 pages) but just in-case I'll post it)....
According to your post, quoted above, they just took out 2.1 POS as part of your "trap" and nothing was being built. However according to your own sides FRAPS, HERE!!! it clearly shows the POS under attack is indeed the 6-1 POS!!!!
I think the term is ...Proof or STFU...Well guess what time it is for you! Proof made! least proof enough to debunk your "we planned this big trap" propaganda.
Hmm so it was infront of our eyes alllll the time?!! 
Is this "put in a new topic" worthy?
LOL, wow. If you guys are so dense, no wonder you are doing so well in this and your last war.
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Heidi Fleiss
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: Heidi Fleiss on 04/04/2007 00:42:36
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Shinjuro
ToXiC. Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:52:00 -
[568]
Originally by: Max Hammer
Originally by: Shinjuro Well if this story is in fact true.. @ the coalition.
But if my memory serves me right... ya ok I believe everything molle says because afterall there never were any devs in bob.
i will only point you to a my first post in this page of this thread and on links in it. and reed whole thread before posting bunch of crap
Since the point of my post had nothing to do with how much was lost from both sides.. ya you made no sense.
I could care less at how much was lost. I just laugh at molle (or any other bob directors) expecting anyone to believe half of what they say in light of the "dev misconduct" (DAMN I LUV SAYING THAT!!)
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:58:00 -
[569]
Originally by: Kespii
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Xelphior Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 22:18:27
Originally by: Touched darkness Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
in a fight its not size and firepower
its Skill and Strategy.
bob have proven time and again they can take odds of 3-1 against.
relook at ya facts
added to the fact bob + allies have 3 titans, if a substantial number of ships came in, they'd get nuked multiple times.
Skill in F-T ????!!!!! the biggest majority of the coalition fleet in F-T never loaded the screen...
Strategie in F-T ????? The biggest majority of the coalition fleet werent even allowed to jump in. A Titan wasnt alowed to jump in, 100 tec2 BS from D2 werent alowed to jump in... almost 1000 ships werent alowed to jump in.
3-1 odds ???? The coalition fleet in F-T was outnumbered because someone remembered to cap the system.
After your statment I have to ask...Have you even been there ??? 
if your guys entered the system there would of been NO BATTLE AT ALL
So the alternative was give the numbers advantage to the side that was outnumbered, and remove all the defense to the coalition capital fleet that jumped in ... Think about that for a minute... yes I agree with you it sucks.
And please dont tell me of the dev blog with the system cap, in JV1V was never used. The high losses for the coalition had nothing to do with skills, tactic or wahtever you can call it. It was due to external interference, like it or not.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:59:00 -
[570]
Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so i¦m doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle... Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
i saw that movie. I'm pretty sure the Persians were trying to crash the node.
Pretty sure the persians won in reality too.
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