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SirMolle
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: SirMolle on 02/04/2007 15:04:19
ItÆs time to end all the speculation and drama properly.
It all started when we learnt that the coalition had found our Capital Shipyard. The speculation started. At first the coalition speculated about a Mothership. 2 days after later, they thought it was a titan, later still, everyone knew it was a titan because someoneÆs brother said that their aunt had seen her neighbour talking... Well, you get the picture.
The system of F-T always had 2 Capital Shipyards, one building, the other empty, moon 2.1 and 6.1. We have had 2 serious attacks, one on the 2.1 POS, one on the 6.1 POS. Both times, the towers were reinforced by AAA.
The first attempt at a kill on 2.1, was blocked out totally, as the coalition never managed to get a fleet into the system. We closed down the routes properly, and by the time they were anywhere near the POS had been healed.
After this, we knew they would try again, and again, so... the trap was set. We reinforced the 6.1 POS with as much gear as we could, anchored 6 large bubbles around it, and generally left the 2.1 POS with no new gear or anything, everything was concentrated on the 6.1 POS. After a few days, the trap slammed shut. AAA reinforced the POS just before downtime, after trying the same thing, the day before, but running out of time before downtime hit.
Scheming followed, and a call out to our allies. The word on the street was that the coalition was about to hit us with everything. Our plans this time differed from the last time. We left openings, so that we could plan where they would arrive, and left only one option open - to jump bridge all ships in and to cyno directly in. The neighbouring systems of K-6 and J-L were closed down, and inside F-T, we left only the capitals, and a token cyno killer force. 40 carriers inside F-T were prepared with only one thing to do; Keep the capital shipyard alive as long as possible. We knew it most likely wouldnÆt last, but the longer the enemy capitals ships shot at it, the longer they were sitting ducks for our own capital fleet.
Action starts.
A hostile cyno is discovered and our cynokillers warp in and kill one... two.... three cynoes.
15 hostile dreads made it into the POS, where all our capitals are sitting. IAC is the suicide squad... primary... Tyrrax Thork. More cynos appear in system, this time from suicide carriers, our cynokiller squad is to small to kill them, and more carriers make it into system, and start repping each other. We call for reinforcement to the cynokillers, and add 10 bships at a time to come into F-T to help kill the carriers. Our ædictors are ordered to prevent the dreads entering warp, and to generally delay the dreads as long as possible.
This is where the lag hits, as the hostiles are trying to jumpbridge their whole fleet into the system. The system grinds to a halt. Some of our dreads are reporting 7 hostile dreads, others are reporting 72 hostile dreads.
After 20 minutes of trying to remote rep the tower, its clear we wont be able to hold its tank, the amount of firepower and the lag making the carriers drift out of range prevents it.
The POS dies. The POS that is empty, gives up, and, explodes.
Hostile capitals try to escape, some are able to jump out, most of them are stuck without cap, scrambled, no fuel.
From here on after, the system is a mess, and the calm voice we hear is Blockoindi and Juan, singling out the targets. For the next 90 minutes, dread after dread dies. We don't know if any of ours are dying, but no one is making any calls for help. Our 4 Motherships get targeted, and itÆs looking bleak for them, finally, they warp out.
42 hostile dreads die, 5 hostile carriers die. The battlefield is littered with capital wrecks.
The surviving POS in F-T was building an Aeon, which was delivered this morning, at 09.32 eve time. The lucky owner of the Aeon is Hazeb.
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Szass Tam
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Szass Tam on 02/04/2007 14:43:18
First wooot !
Thx for the fun.
BOB 4TW. |
Elad Dranoel
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:47:00 -
[3]
owned
*snip* Your signature may not contain any profanity - Kreul Intentions |
Karunel
Princeps Corp
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:49:00 -
[4]
1 million views before 7 days, TAKING BETS NOW!
Nice summary, btw. 
 Originally by: elbenito
The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Obijameskenobi
Caldari
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:49:00 -
[5]
Edited by: Obijameskenobi on 02/04/2007 14:46:40
Damn, too late :-(
Congratz on a well manipulated plan.
One BoB to rule them all
One Pet to find them
One BoB to own them all
And in the darkness bind them |
moroti
Yakuza Corp
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:50:00 -
[6]
Nice, extremely evil plan 
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Murukan
Minmatar
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:50:00 -
[7]
nice trap
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:51:00 -
[8]
Good to hear more of the only "proper" type of Mother Ship are being deployed!
Oh, and that banner made me cry from laughter! :)
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OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:53:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Elad Dranoel
owned
Sir Molle is my brother in law but there is no proof - I'll later add a nice shiny banner to this post so you will believe it, ok?!
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Mad Mackem
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:54:00 -
[10]
What's the term im looking for again
Oh yeah
Proof or STFU 
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Frances Ducoir
Academy of Decadence
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:54:00 -
[11]
Propaganda... who wouldnt have exspected this coming.
bobs forumwhoring machine is working again.
post is too long and rather boring.
i dont take this one serious nor should rest of eve.
do you really exspect bob would admit they have lost a titan?
let the spin begin.
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ceaon
Gallente
Porandor
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:54:00 -
[12]
Edited by: ceaon on 02/04/2007 14:51:45
if is true GJ BoB
but is bob side :S propaganda ?? for moral boost?
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:55:00 -
[13]
oh noz! bob is winning eve again!
grats on your disinformation! :)
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DOARota
Gallente
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:55:00 -
[14]
ItÆs time to end all the speculation and drama properly.
It all started when .....
Apparently it all started last summer.
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:55:00 -
[15]
Aeons are ugly tho!
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Theron Zacken
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:55:00 -
[16]
*snip*
Posting with an unidentified character and / or characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Elmo Pug ([email protected])
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:56:00 -
[17]
Game, set and match, Molle.
You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough. |
Larsson7
Minmatar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:56:00 -
[18]
Originally by: OozoO
Originally by: Elad Dranoel
owned
Sir Molle is my brother in law but there is no proof - I'll later add a nice shiny banner to this post so you will believe it, ok?!
It must really hurt.
In your heart you want to believe that you destroyed a Titan in production. After all - losing 40+ Capitals to destroy an empty POS would not really lift morale, would it?
GG BoB
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Plaetean
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:56:00 -
[19]
Edited by: Plaetean on 02/04/2007 15:13:41
If true.. Jesus..
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OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:56:00 -
[20]
there is no proof in here until ET comes to tell us all SirMolle is right
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Solo2110
Amarr
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:56:00 -
[21]
Nicely done.
Wish I could have been there!
"Only the dead have seen the end of war" |
Klavayne
Pack Of Shadows
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:56:00 -
[22]
Seemed a bit fishy. 
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Ztrain
GIT-R-DUN
Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:56:00 -
[23]
50+ Capitals well fitted = 150 Billion
Day's of prep and planning = 3 Hours of hellish lag
Look on coalition faces when they realize their fleet evaporated for............nothing = Priceless
Z
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whisk
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:57:00 -
[24]
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Manc
Yakuza Corp
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:57:00 -
[25]
Lovely.
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:57:00 -
[26]
Originally by: OozoO
Originally by: Elad Dranoel
owned
Sir Molle is my brother in law but there is no proof - I'll later add a nice shiny banner to this post so you will believe it, ok?!
And have any of the attacking forces furnished any proof there was in fact anything in there?
Quote:
How's that saying go? something about a pot calling a kettle black.... but the kettle getting the last laugh because it was banging the pot's sister? Yeah, that sounds right.
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Aelena Thraant
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:58:00 -
[27]
Nice to know... Was fun being there... Though I only got 5 capital kills due to the lag... If there was no lag just think how many dreads would have died... 
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Soren
PAK
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:58:00 -
[28]
gj bob
☠-->-->--
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mama guru
Gallente
Friendship 7 Corporation
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:58:00 -
[29]
Edited by: mama guru on 02/04/2007 15:00:30
I so didnt expect this  no really...
-YOU ARE NOW READING MY SIGNATURE-
EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:58:00 -
[30]
Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 02/04/2007 14:51:45
if is true GJ BoB
but is bob side :S propaganda ?? for moral boost?
did you really think he was going to claim anything but empty?
Originally by: "darth solo"
bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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OSughhi
Romanian Army of ManiaCS
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:58:00 -
[31]
Nice. When we should trust you?
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Emrod
Legion Du Lys
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:58:00 -
[32]
I know it lol
You win this round but not the war!
I sell some logoff t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P |
Dregann
Amarr
Amarr Trading Company
Empire Trader Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:59:00 -
[33]
BOB does it again i guess
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Howling Jinn
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:59:00 -
[34]
*snip* Do no troll. -Elmo Pug
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gaaksel
The Legion.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:59:00 -
[35]
One fun evening just got a whole lot more amusing :)
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Morris Falter
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:59:00 -
[36]
ok
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected]) |
Warp away
ITS A CIRCUS
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:59:00 -
[37]
lol, poor coalition.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:59:00 -
[38]
There can't be any proof for something that no longer exists.
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Ghost Reaper
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:01:00 -
[39]
u...got....served!!!!
GR
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Draxxxion
GIT-R-DUN
Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:01:00 -
[40]
Kinky
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Sadist
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:01:00 -
[41]
So the question remains then. Where is the leviathan? 
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VIP member of the [23]
Quote:
- Numbers alone do not win a battle
- No, but I bet they help.
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Dave White
The Kennels
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:02:00 -
[42]
If true: N1.
If false: ghey.
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Dominixa
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:02:00 -
[43]
Those people who lost their capital ships killing an empty pos must be feeling pretty down atm. Well executed plan Molle.
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PCX339
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:02:00 -
[44]
Nice!
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:02:00 -
[45]
Either way i love this game.
Even if there was no titan, it does show that the north can take out any POS they think they need to take out.
LETS SEE YOU NERF THIS ONE Kreul!!!...
...if that is your REAL name o_O
Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw! |
Desius
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:03:00 -
[46]
Nice PR damage control spin. ;)
I don't buy that an "empty" shipyard was online and counting down a non-existent ship.
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:03:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Larsson7
Originally by: OozoO
Originally by: Elad Dranoel
owned
Sir Molle is my brother in law but there is no proof - I'll later add a nice shiny banner to this post so you will believe it, ok?!
It must really hurt.
In your heart you want to believe that you destroyed a Titan in production. After all - losing 40+ Capitals to destroy an empty POS would not really lift morale, would it?
GG BoB
Nps, the isk that bob is paying for the MC equalled out the cap losses...
PS: Since we don't need proof for things anymore; the pos destroyed had a titan and a titan bpo in it.
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Alex Smiff
Amarr
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:03:00 -
[48]
Interesting - makes you wonder whether this kind of "trap" will work in future now.. :)
Alex Smiff
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Director of Affairs |
Obijameskenobi
Caldari
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:03:00 -
[49]
*snip* Do not troll for flames. -Elmo Pug
One BoB to rule them all
One Pet to find them
One BoB to own them all
And in the darkness bind them |
Silvestri
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:03:00 -
[50]
time to take out your other pos...
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Frances Ducoir
Academy of Decadence
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:04:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Frances Ducoir on 02/04/2007 15:01:27
Edited by: Frances Ducoir on 02/04/2007 15:00:20
Originally by: mama guru
Reserved for comments
lol
so you will insert
a)"i have known it before, there was a titan under construction"
or
b)"i have known it before, there was no titan under construction"
in some days when one of those possibilities are proofed?
(btw this is no flaming attempt, i just find it funny that people reserve a post on molle threads =)
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:04:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Desius
Nice PR damage control spin. ;)
I don't buy that an "empty" shipyard was online and counting down a non-existent ship.
He said there were 2 pos, each with a cap ship yard. You can't see the moon location from the alliance build window, just the system.
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Azeusus
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:05:00 -
[53]
wasnt there a Image showing the build clock still ticking after the coalition hit the pos?
In which case all seems right here, coalition hit wrong pos and BOB just cooked a mothership....
if true - wow.
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Togakure
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:06:00 -
[54]
Well played
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BrightPidgeon
Caldari
Interstellar Carebear Rehabilitation Unit
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:06:00 -
[55]
*snip*
Posting with an unidentified character and / or characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Elmo Pug ([email protected])
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Kalissa
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:07:00 -
[56]
To put an end to all this crap about what was building what. Wouldn't it just be simpler that when the Capital Shipyard dies that a killmail is sent out to the agressing pilot saying what (if anything) was building in it.
But as for this posting Molle is very good at forum propaganda, he makes the entire attack sound like it was all one huge BoB plot to attack the coalition which of course succeeded.
I smell something in the air.... something that comes from a bull maybe?
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Pathfinda75
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:07:00 -
[57]
*snip* Inappropriate link. -Elmo Pug
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:08:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/04/2007 15:06:41
Hmmm.... I find it hard to believe that neither side in this can prove one way or another that their version of events is true.
Surely the Coalition bigwigs must have had ironclad evidence of a Titan/mothership in production and its exact location. How else can you justify such a massive effort to kill said POS.
Equally..... Sir Molle must have incontrovertible evidence of their not being a Titan/mothership being built in the blown up POS. He must have known that his claim would be heavily contested.
One of you guys has to provide some solid evidence one way or the other...
Otherwise this thread is little more than idle entertainment.
[edit:clarity]
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Malthros Zenobia
The Cold Wind Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:08:00 -
[59]
Aww, only an Aeon?
FFS, someone build a Leviathan already.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:09:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Mad Mackem
What's the term im looking for again
Oh yeah
Proof or STFU
Wheres the proof there was a titan in it?
Nice trap
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Digiblast
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:09:00 -
[61]
Who is this SirMolle anyway?
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Yuki Li
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:09:00 -
[62]
As i said.
Congratulations on a crushing defeat, Coalition.
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Farham
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:10:00 -
[63]
It should be easy enough for the OP to post a undoctored screen shot of the build schedule finishing this morning. I would find it hard to believe someone like Molle wouldn't have one to remove any doubt. Allowing doubt sort of defeats the purpose of the claim in the first place.
So, lets see the screenie.
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R0ot
InNova Tech Inc
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:10:00 -
[64]
woot!! +1 to the ebil side
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Frygok
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:10:00 -
[65]
Wow, the level of smack and lame posts in this thread is stunning.
Is there no one left with any class in this game? Or is it all a bunch of emo kids running "Lolz, pwned!". I thought that sort of thing was reserved for WOW.
If it is true, well played BOB.
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Obijameskenobi
Caldari
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:11:00 -
[66]
lol, no one "has to" provide evidence, just because you say so. If both sides believe their own viewpoint, then evidence isnt needed...........
Any evidence that is published will be viewed as "false" either way.
And there is nothing wrong with entertainment, especially in this forum.
One BoB to rule them all
One Pet to find them
One BoB to own them all
And in the darkness bind them |
Z33ro
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:11:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Ztrain
50+ Capitals well fitted = 150 Billion
Day's of prep and planning = 3 Hours of hellish lag
Look on coalition faces when they realize their fleet evaporated for............nothing = Priceless
Z
nice :-)
btw while i was reading the thread, it was only 1 page, now it's already 3... 
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Dal Thrax
Caldari
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:11:00 -
[68]
Congrads. Tbh Molle I think it still might come back to bite you on the ass depending on how quickly the coallition can replace those losses.
Dal
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:12:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Wheres the proof there was a titan in it?
Nice trap
Where is the proof there wasn't?
It works both ways.
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Wodanonline
Pringles Inc.
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:12:00 -
[70]
perfectly planned and executed great move.
a nice victory
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Mitch Taylor
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:12:00 -
[71]
very entertaining.
:)
Dark-Rising
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:12:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Wheres the proof there was a titan in it?
Nice trap
Where is the proof there wasn't?
It works both ways.
Patience my young, err, padawon.
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Frances Ducoir
Academy of Decadence
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:13:00 -
[73]
where is the proof there was no titan?
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OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:15:00 -
[74]
yeah, you edited out the space for the video 
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Hawkeye David
Amarr
Mithril Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:16:00 -
[75]
Why have two capital shipyards and NOT use one. Nice try though.
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Brother Funkyshades
Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:16:00 -
[76]
errrm its been a while that i read it... but according to sun tzu's art of war:
1)if there was a titan in production, it would be best for bob to say "nay, you hit an empty pos". kills morale.
2)if it was empty, it would be best to say "you killed a titan" so the coalition falls into a falls sense of victory.
but yeah. what does sun tzu know. hes to friggin old for videogames.
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Sergio Ling
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:16:00 -
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Why do people scream for proof? there can't be any. Photoshop, lies, INTERNETS. all these things mean there will never be proof enough that what Mr Molly is saying is correct. So enjoy the trick, or the spin, or whatever you think it is, but being a fanboi (on either side) just makes you look silly.
Personally, i'm inclined to believe it's true, sounds too sexy not to be. So.. Good Job BoB :D
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Your sig is pwn - Eris
*snip* This is a english speeking forum, for moderation perposes - hutch |
Kalissa
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:17:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Kalissa
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Mad Mackem
What's the term im looking for again
Oh yeah
Proof or STFU
Wheres the proof there was a titan in it?
Nice trap
Where's the proof that there wasnt?
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:17:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Hawkeye David
Why have two capital shipyards and NOT use one. Nice try though.
No minerals? What would you do with it if you don't have anything to put in it?
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[80]
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R3dSh1ft
Caldari
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:18:00 -
[81]
Lol. Not true.
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Angeles
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:18:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Angeles on 02/04/2007 15:15:03
fake
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gaz widdow
Caldari
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:18:00 -
[83]
Id hate to play poker with this guy
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Aira Phlux
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:19:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Desius
I don't buy that an "empty" shipyard was online and counting down a non-existent ship.
I'm not picking at you bud a lot of people are discussing the count down, but AFAIK you need to be in the corp using the POS structure to be able to see that it is active (and hence get a screenie). I don't think BoB have released a screenie of that - theres only that photoshop job on the 01.04.07 thread from a non-BoB.
I may have that completely wrong so if someone wants to correct me I'd appreciate it.
(This post does not reflect my corp's or alliance's opinion, just my own)
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Phoenus
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:19:00 -
[85]
Posting in a Legendary Thread.
Well played BoB.
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Dal Thrax
Caldari
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:19:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Farham
It should be easy enough for the OP to post a undoctored screen shot of the build schedule finishing this morning. I would find it hard to believe someone like Molle wouldn't have one to remove any doubt. Allowing doubt sort of defeats the purpose of the claim in the first place.
So, lets see the screenie.
Actually wouldn't the Titan build or lack thereof show up under the science and industry window for the system under completed jobs for the building corp (even if the job got aborted)?
Dal
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details
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DeckardIRL
Bravehearts
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:20:00 -
[87]
Damn, some people must be hurting now, some people must be feeling stupid now... I would call that a bit of a train wreck indeed.
When the Leviathan sets off its DD for the first time, there will be no more calls of proof or stfu....
Deck
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Rin Eyre
Minmatar
Solar Dragon's Nest
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:20:00 -
[88]
They tried. And made effort. Only this counts in that world of phantom pixels and real people.
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Lorn Yeager
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:20:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Wheres the proof there was a titan in it?
Nice trap
Where is the proof there wasn't?
It works both ways.
Proof is only proof if you can generate enough believers.
Nobody can say or show you anything that is rock-solid old fashioned proof in this matter. Screenshots can be faked, chatlogs can be manufactured.
We all choose to believe those who's side we have chosen.
As such, there are 2 truths. As truth is what you believe in.
Nothing more, nothing less.
So, as Molle says: The truth is out there.
Seeing is believing.
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Pathfinda75
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:20:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Pathfinda75
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:21:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Hawkeye David
Why have two capital shipyards and NOT use one. Nice try though.
Hrm.. why... to destroy 50 enemy cap ships in a well executed trap?
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:21:00 -
[92]
A spider spun its web
now the dreadships are dead.
LETS SEE YOU NERF THIS ONE Kreul!!!...
...if that is your REAL name o_O
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Raid
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:21:00 -
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Amith Silvermoon
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:22:00 -
[94]
Had a feeling it was a trap all along
Nicely played
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Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:23:00 -
[95]
Tinfoil brigade has wasted no time here.
Proof is, see if Hazeb kills anyone in the next few days in an aeon.
Spin it.
God I hope this is under 24kb
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:24:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Wheres the proof there was a titan in it?
Nice trap
Where is the proof there wasn't?
It works both ways.
To be honest whatever BOB show as proof people will still believe what they want to or claim it's been shopped.
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Nero Winger
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:25:00 -
[97]
i feel for the coalition.
but anyway i can almost hear the tears dropping into the largest whine-river ever in this game
congratulations on BoBs leadershp for making such a well planed trap, again you surprized not only the whole EvE-community but also your own member. Respect!
/me wants pictures of the whining coalition dread pilots!
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Farham
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:51:00 -
[98]
"/me wants pictures of the whining coalition dread pilots!"
I would assume you can have one right after the pictures of proof of the OPs claim.
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nickycakes
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:52:00 -
[99]
it doesn't matter dude, don't you remember, the objective was to KILL THE POS AT ALL COSTS!!!1111.
the cry train haven't any brakes
Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
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Timo Baas
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:52:00 -
[100]
Oh noes!
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:52:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/04/2007 15:50:28
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
To be honest whatever BOB show as proof people will still believe what they want to or claim it's been shopped.
You know thats just a cop out.
K ..... so, Sir Molle and Co. went to a great deal of trouble to setup this trap, knowing full well that even if they pulled it off, people wouldn't believe them. So.... it stands to reason that he would gather enough proof of what transpired to make most sceptics buy the story.
Where is at least some circumstantial evidence?... unless I'm missing something.
You don't pull a sting like this and then say "aaah well.. you wouldn't believe us anyhow".
Thats called a no-show.
As for a reply by a FIX fella earlier...
Originally by: Lorn Yeager
Proof is only proof if you can generate enough believers.
Nobody can say or show you anything that is rock-solid old fashioned proof in this matter. Screenshots can be faked, chatlogs can be manufactured.
We all choose to believe those who's side we have chosen.
As such, there are 2 truths. As truth is what you believe in.
Nothing more, nothing less.
So, as Molle says: The truth is out there.
Seeing is believing.
So you are saying that Molle posted this thread just to get some more air time?
Doesn't he get enough already?
I mean really what is the point of this thread if there can be no "proof".
Ofc this is the interweb, where pigs fly and yadda yadda...
Atm we just gotta take his word for it.. .... on the interweb... uhuh.
Pull the other one its got bells on it.
[edit: silly typo]
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:56:00 -
[102]
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Z33ro
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:58:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Frygok
Wow, the level of smack and lame posts in this thread is stunning.
Is there no one left with any class in this game? Or is it all a bunch of emo kids running "Lolz, pwned!". I thought that sort of thing was reserved for WOW.
If it is true, well played BOB.
Yeah, thats right.
The reasons i prefer EvE (rather WoW) are:
- u don't have to run and farm to gain lvl, more kills = more exp. (no, in eve u learn skillbooks, well u gain money not only by farming npc)
- when u die u...lose something (in WoW u resurect, the broken weapons can be fixed and repaired)
- u not only run and kill, and press buttons (in EvE u use your heads to think, tactics, strategies, traps...)
... and so on
Sorry, but if you cannot handle EvE, then go for WoW or smthing that ain't require too much of thinking :-(
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Cassius Hawkeye
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:58:00 -
[104]
Impressive, most impressive.
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Third Down
Hard Rock Cafe
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:59:00 -
[105]
Show us the fraps of the build tab then.
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:00:00 -
[106]
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DeathGrip
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:00:00 -
[107]
I think ET already posted in the last thread basicly saying what SirMolle just posted. If that isnt enough proof not sure what is.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:01:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Fred0 on 02/04/2007 16:03:41
Molle's motivations for posting this is pretty clear. He wants those 45 cap kills to appear to be for zero loss. Which is fine.
It had been a while since he pranced about their uberness. The fun stuff is that he does it about their godlikeness in Delve now. Not in Fountain, Feyth or anywhere else. Right now they own in Delve, BOB's heart. You can keep owning there my friend.
Oh and Hazeb turning up in an Aeon does not prove squat. There are afterall multiple aeons already in circulation in BOB/MC
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Janice Forge
House Ordos
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:01:00 -
[109]
and in a surprise move 3 titans and a large capital fleet of 69 dreads and 8+ carriers will surprise BoB in the arse...
or a massive 500 member frigate swarm invades devestating everything in it's path, BoB holes up in stations while they order their meatshields to go attack and get killed by t1 frigs....
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WildCard
Gallente
SteelVipers
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:02:00 -
[110]
Well i can confirm, that i was informed of the honeytrap a few days in front of the envents. Yes, i know that also not a real evidence.
Well planned and played BOB.
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Kasak Black
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:02:00 -
[111]
A well spun plan? Effort beyond measure laying it out, so much time spent in the setup yet no tangible proof to back these claims up.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Tomas Ysidro
Caldari
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:04:00 -
[112]
Posting in an epic thread.
Still amazes me how polarizing this conflict is.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:05:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/04/2007 16:05:15
Originally by: DeathGrip
I think ET already posted in the last thread basicly saying what SirMolle just posted. If that isnt enough proof not sure what is.
Really?
I'm sure I read that thread and all I saw was a bunch of pictures thrown around with varying degrees of poor photoshopping done to them.
Maybe you can spell out what exactly in that thread constitutes evidence.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:06:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Kasak Black
A well spun plan? Effort beyond measure laying it out, so much time spent in the setup yet no tangible proof to back these claims up.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Yeah sounds like something Shin Ra cooked up.
Kind of disapointing from BoB tbh...
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Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:09:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Fred0
Molle's motivations for posting this is pretty clear. He wants those 45 cap kills to appear to be for zero loss. Which is fine.
It had been a while since he pranced about their uberness. The fun stuff is that he does it about their godlikeness in Delve now. Not in Fountain, Feyth or anywhere else. Right now they own in Delve, BOB's heart. You can keep owning there my friend.
And what's going on in fountain....No outposts lost sov, you lost 6 carriers today...i fail to see where bob & co are losing.
Molle can say whatever he wants, you wont believe him, the tinfoil is seriously too strong.
Nez:
Why does he need to prove anything, you either accept it, or dont, why should he or anyone else in bob care?
God I hope this is under 24kb
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Third Down
Hard Rock Cafe
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:10:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Kasak Black
A well spun plan? Effort beyond measure laying it out, so much time spent in the setup yet no tangible proof to back these claims up.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
And four days to polish that spin. If you read it carefully, there's not a single ***** in it. It covers absolutely every angle you can possibly conceive. It's beautifully constructed.
Except that claiming such a carefully planned sting is worthless without credible evidence. And there's nothing credible about a press release. Least of all from a well-known psyops master. Who should have made sure there was credible evidence, rather than a slew of yes-men, in his thread.
Fraps of the build tab plz.
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McGin
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:15:00 -
[117]
lol very nice and clever as always
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MKeeper
Midnight Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:16:00 -
[118]
I call BS.
Nice propaganda attempt though, a fine display of feeding the pets.
And boy are they eating it.
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:17:00 -
[119]
The only people who can truly prove this as truth is CCP, they would need Sir Molle's permission to look into the logs and issue a statement on their findings.
This is all academic ofc and if true, BoB had 2 POSs in system, setup the same. They fortified the decoy POS and the coalition fell for it. Even IF they did in fact have a Titan there, the BPO would be safe in a station and they would be building it remotely, so maximum damage would be maybe 50 billion?
Sorry, but even IF they did have a Titan in production, the price you paid for stopping it coming to being was very high indeed, and I see this as a dramatic victory for the southern alliances.
It is not the pure isk value of the losses, but the logistical nightmare that ensues. Each capital pilot has to source a new ship + fittings, and I am quite sure a fair few T2 implants were lost as well.
Whichever way ppl want to spin this, the facts speak for themselves.
GL to both sides in the future.
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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Choi
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:18:00 -
[120]
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Kariss
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:19:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Necronomicon
Blah blah
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whisk
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:20:00 -
[122]
Nez go ask the goons, they seem to believe that they hit the wrong POS also.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:21:00 -
[123]
I don't believe that story.
There was a progress bar on the yard so it was building something and that means it was not empty as SirMolle wrote in the text.
If he had said that they were building something else than a titan, okay...maybe. But the yard was not empty, so this whole story is a fake. And a lame one as well 
Now I only wait for the news at the login-screen: destroyed bob capital shipyard empty, 57 capitals dead after killing this empty shipyard.
I thought Molle would come up with a something more plausible story. But anyway!
Congratulations to your newest titan.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:22:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Tomas Ysidro
Posting in an epic thread.
Still amazes me how polarizing this conflict is.
Everyone wants to be on 'the winning team'.
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Percival Diddly
Unscoped
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:22:00 -
[125]
love it. well done bob!
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:22:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Necronomicon
The only people who can truly prove this as truth is CCP
Well.. thats not quite true.
Coalition leadership can give an account of what made them believe there was a Titan in production.
I mean they must have had some pretty solid evidence to mount such a concerted effort. Maybe they would like to share some of that evidence?
Or did they really get ~ 50 DN's blown up on a hunch?
There has to be some dumb ****'s leading the coalition if this is the case.
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Wodanonline
Pringles Inc.
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:23:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Wodanonline on 02/04/2007 16:19:55
Quote:
don't believe that story.
There was a progress bar on the yard so it was building something and that means it was not empty as SirMolle wrote in the text.
If he had said that they were building something else than a titan, okay...maybe. But the yard was not empty, so this whole story is a fake. And a lame one as well
Now I only wait for the news at the login-screen: destroyed bob capital shipyard empty, 57 capitals dead after killing this empty shipyard.
I thought Molle would come up with a something more plausible story. But anyway!
Congratulations to your newest titan.
its a mothership
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Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:23:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Proxay
Why does he need to prove anything, you either accept it, or dont, why should he or anyone else in bob care?
K so you are saying that this thread is basically a "look at me" thread with little or no value.
You know I happen to agree with you.
Bring on the battle reports from random people about blowing up shuttles in Jita...... they surely have more worth than this thread.
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:23:00 -
[129]
I'm disappointed.
I was promised an epic thread today, and all I get is this wet wipe of an announcement.
I demand 5 isk for wasting the time to troll through pages of replies from trolls in hopes of finding more meat to the story.
Tnx. Bye.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:25:00 -
[130]
Originally by: whisk
Nez go ask the goons, they seem to believe that they hit the wrong POS also.
K.... care to elaborate? Is this random goons or goon leadership?
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:25:00 -
[131]
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:25:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Or did they really get ~ 50 DN's blown up on a hunch?
There has to be some dumb ****'s leading the coalition if this is the case.
You win!
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:26:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Wodanonline
Originally by: Gnulpie
words
Congratulations to your newest titan.
its a mothership
Don't believe SirMolle!
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hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:26:00 -
[134]
Originally by: WildCard
Well i can confirm, that i was informed of the honeytrap a few days in front of the envents. Yes, i know that also not a real evidence.
Well planned and played BOB.
IF they informed you of a 'trap' in advance of the assault on F-T, I can only imagine it was due to the fact that they know you can't keep your mouth shut about anything WC... A designed FUD deterrent or something of the sort.
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Blue Stratos
Amarr
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:26:00 -
[135]
Sprung with perfect timing and they took the bait
w00t
BOB 1, coaltion 0
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
think the problem is found. last startup now.
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:27:00 -
[136]
Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 02/04/2007 16:23:34
Looking at the banner, i must say Tyrrax and Evil Thug have never looked so cute and wubbable.
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:28:00 -
[137]
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:28:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Wodanonline
its a mothership
Don't believe SirMolle!
there has been indeed two motherships completed today for BoB. but that doesnt prove the story.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:28:00 -
[139]
/emote Gilbert Gottfried
"Ok...ok....say in this hand I have a five dollar bill. Now what if I looked away and poof...suddenly...it was gone...."
/end emote
Nicely played regardless of truth...and the banner *****s me up
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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Maxtor Payne
Minmatar
DeathWatch Militaris
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:28:00 -
[140]
Ah! Thought so! The Bobbits sounded WAY too happy on TS after the battle for a bunch of people who would've just lost a baby Titan.
To the sceptics: believe it or not, but don't expect any concise proof. I think Molle prefers to have you stewing in your anxiety as to the contents of that POS than settle this with 100% undeniable proof.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:30:00 -
[141]
Edited by: Boliknar on 02/04/2007 16:32:37
Man I love how this war has completely polarized people and casued (ususally) reasonable people to adopt the the stance of "well my side said it so it must be true." I have only read the first three pages of this thing and its full of congrats and way to go and ha ha silly coalition. Why is it people believe the OP. I mean has he not shown a complete disregard for truth and facts in his other posts. Are we just all supposed to believe him just cause he said so...(wow to be so full of yourself that you think others should just bow down and believe you because you say so... must be nice  . I dont really know who to believe nor really do I care. I just love the fact that people seem to put common sense and the ability to think for themselves on the sidelines just cause the "GREAT BoB" told them to.
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Idara
Caldari
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:33:00 -
[142]
Bravo Robert, you plan this stuff with the best of 'em.
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Tomic
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:33:00 -
[143]
Oh, what a shock, BOB claim the tower was empty....Never saw that coming. Nice work BOB, you win eve again right? </sarcasm>
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Achilles15
Gallente
Residue of Grapes
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:35:00 -
[144]
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Chip2k3
Energy.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:36:00 -
[145]
the tinfoil is strong here.
Easily proven - Hazeb will use it in combat soon, if he doesn't then we know something was destroyed. Tbh it's a good bluff though.
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OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:38:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Chip2k3
Easily proven - Hazeb will use it in combat soon, if he doesn't then we know something was destroyed. Tbh it's a good bluff though.
again, I wont deny that there was an aeon out of production this morning.
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Cole Steel
Cosmic Odyssey
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:40:00 -
[147]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5t3q7js4Y
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Arokan Manturi
Ideology
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:41:00 -
[148]
If true, then VERY nice trap.
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Ovale
KDM Corp
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:42:00 -
[149]
Where are the logisticians and military planners? Why did we do it?
- We learned what the scale of a maximum coalition effort is.
We learned how well coalition alliances coordinate and communicate.
We learned how thoroughly coalition planners investigate intel.
We learned how successfully we can close down stargate access.
We learned how coalition field commanders react in such a scenario.
We learned what system limitations were going to be applied after the J1V1 affair. I can't imagine why anyone would have any genuine surprise about that.
This should be an academic discussion at this point. It is a fascinating case study.
Proof? Well, the Levi's will be generating killmails soon enough. I've seen the delivery of the Aeon. So what. The prize was the battle experience gained.
Respect to both sides. Both came away with something.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:44:00 -
[150]
The banner on Molle's post wins the thread tbh.
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Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!) |
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:47:00 -
[151]
very well done and even better planned..
respect
o7
->My Vids<- CCP= More skilz more moneh! |
Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:48:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Wylker on 02/04/2007 16:44:24
Originally by: maGz
BoB-pet circlejerk threads 4tw...
He was going to make a Priory/SoD circle jerk thread, but then he rememberd your corp and alliance are dead.
<3 you tho magz :)
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trouser boy
The Eve Pacification Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:48:00 -
[153]
Whats going to happen once the North have been driven out? Assuming they are of course but given the number of new allies BoB seem to be gaining daily it is perhaps only a matter of time.
This coalition has been first serious attempt at dislodging the premier power in Eve and initially I thought it would snowball and BoB would be busy defending Delve come early June. I honestly hadn't anticipated the numbers that would spring to their defence. Perhaps they are a loveable bunch afterall, or perhaps its just that they're winning...
Anyhoo I can't really see BoB wanting to be part of a power block when its over so interesting times are ahead! (or possibly very boring).
This is idle speculation not a revolution.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:50:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The banner on Molle's post wins the thread tbh.
Well we know that Molle doesn't write his own threads ... somebody does that for him.. sometimes its Digital Communist (tendrils .. anybody?).
I wonder who chose the banner.
You know its kind of odd, but sometimes reading his threads I feel like an entire marketing department took a dump in my brain.
Sometimes its amusing... a lot of times not.
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Rochel Hakiri
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:54:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Rochel Hakiri on 02/04/2007 16:56:31
This proof nothing, except that SirMolle knew before hand that the systems was going to be capped, 800 people we're going to be stuck a few systems away, and he could pop lagged out Dreads one by one..
*snip* Do not troll. -Elmo
EDIT: I didnt troll, i spoke my mind
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:54:00 -
[156]
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/04/2007 16:51:21
Originally by: Nez Perces
Where is at least some circumstantial evidence?... unless I'm missing something.
All though not really evidence all the allied FC's where informed several days before this operation that false information had been fed to a spy within a certain allied alliance regarding a titan in production. Internal coalition communications within the coalition showed revealed a suicide dread op being planned and what happened there is public knowledge.
Truth? Excuse? Beats me but ill vote for truth simply because seeing the coalition take another kick in their morale balls amuses me.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:57:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Boliknar on 02/04/2007 16:54:22
Originally by: Ovale
Where are the logisticians and military planners? Why did we do it?
- We learned what the scale of a maximum coalition effort is.
We learned how well coalition alliances coordinate and communicate.
We learned how thoroughly coalition planners investigate intel.
We learned how successfully we can close down stargate access By Gettin a GM to cap the system.
We learned how coalition field commanders react in such a scenario.
We learned what system limitations were going to be applied after the J1V1 affair (but according to you guys this was in effect before that instance). I can't imagine why anyone would have any genuine surprise about that.
This should be an academic discussion at this point. It is a fascinating case study.
Proof? Well, the Levi's will be Creating killmails soon enough. I've seen the delivery of the Aeon. So what. The prize was the battle experience gained.
Respect to both sides. Both came away with something.
Fixed it for ya
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Markius Proxim
Prox XII
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:57:00 -
[158]
*snip*
as far as trying to break our morale.. lolz @ you
btw nice work killing our capitals.. sux about the loss of ur ship yards :p
lag wins eve
Do not troll. -Elmo Pug
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:58:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
All though not really evidence all the allied FC's where informed several days before this operation that false information had been fed to a spy within a certain allied alliance regarding a titan in production. Internal coalition communications within the coalition showed revealed a suicide dread op being planned and what happened there is public knowledge.
K.. I can buy that.. ofc it doesn't prove anything. But at the same time it makes little sense....
All the allied FC's?
Surely coalition leadership have spyzors and several days is plenty for these communications to leak. Very odd that the coalition wasn't alerted to this cunning plan.. no?
I mean the coalition learnt of the titan in production from spyzors in the first place.
Tbh either the coalition leadership is as thick as two planks.. or Molle is leading everbody up the garden path.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:58:00 -
[160]
Originally by: SirMolle
Hostile capitals try to escape, some are able to jump out, most of them are stuck without cap, scrambled, no fuel.
Lol at this.
Nice one. You see, Sir, the one of your pos we want, we have.
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History is made by whinners
Originally by: Clavius Der
I dont understand why are these big things (titans, heavy armed poses) in game if they are destroyable with metagaming only
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funni
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.02 16:59:00 -
[161]
at the end of the day, do you honestly believe you could have one upped them?
Do you really beleive that BoB has gotten to the point that they're at without being one step ahead of the likes of AAA?
If.. and only if.. this had been the first attempt.. I can see the "BoB got caught with their pants down" mentality...
However, due to basic war tactics... "set up the enemy for destruction, lead them into our ebil trap" I wouldn't be so shocked about BoB's win win setup.
Never set up a corp theif to fail? :) It's one of my personal favourite past times when the little *snip* think they're stealth...
Do not bypass the profanity filter. -Elmo Pug
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maarud
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:00:00 -
[162]
I love this game
Maarud.
Proudly a Ex-BYDI member |
Tayler Derden
Solar Dragons
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:00:00 -
[163]
lol Molle "close down" systems you say
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munchy
Prison Break Inc.
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:00:00 -
[164]
... played bob, thats one hell of a manouver.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:04:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Mad Mackem
What's the term im looking for again
Oh yeah
Proof or STFU
Wheres the proof there was a titan in it?
Nice trap
Wheres the proof it has not ?
Spin doctor.
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History is made by whinners
Originally by: Clavius Der
I dont understand why are these big things (titans, heavy armed poses) in game if they are destroyable with metagaming only
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:04:00 -
[166]
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:04:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Mad Mackem
What's the term im looking for again
Oh yeah
Proof or STFU
Wheres the proof there was a titan in it?
Nice trap
Wheres the proof it has not ?
Spin doctor.
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History is made by whinners
Originally by: Clavius Der
I dont understand why are these big things (titans, heavy armed poses) in game if they are destroyable with metagaming only
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:04:00 -
[168]
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:07:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Ifni
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Wheres the proof there was a titan in it?
Nice trap
Where is the proof there wasn't?
It works both ways.
Patience my young, err, padawon.
THERE CAN'T BE ANY TRUTH WHETHER THERE WAS ONE OR NOT.
Eve shows no dates. If SirMolle is much sure of himself, let's ask CCP alltogether. you know... Together...
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History is made by whinners
Originally by: Clavius Der
I dont understand why are these big things (titans, heavy armed poses) in game if they are destroyable with metagaming only
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:07:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Ifni
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Wheres the proof there was a titan in it?
Nice trap
Where is the proof there wasn't?
It works both ways.
Patience my young, err, padawon.
THERE CAN'T BE ANY TRUTH WHETHER THERE WAS ONE OR NOT.
Eve shows no dates. If SirMolle is much sure of himself, let's ask CCP alltogether. you know... Together...
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History is made by whinners
Originally by: Clavius Der
I dont understand why are these big things (titans, heavy armed poses) in game if they are destroyable with metagaming only
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:09:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Nez Perces
All the allied FC's?
Actually no not all the allied FC's, its a channel for CEO's/directors in what seems to be just combat active corps and alliance in Bob space. I have the tendency to refer it as the FC's channel though
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:09:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Nez Perces
All the allied FC's?
Actually no not all the allied FC's, its a channel for CEO's/directors in what seems to be just combat active corps and alliance in Bob space. I have the tendency to refer it as the FC's channel though
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Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:10:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
Nice pictures...but to be honest don't bother...
Why prove yourselves to the coalition :S
God I hope this is under 24kb
It is :) Kreul Intentions |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:10:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Mad Mackem
What's the term im looking for again
Oh yeah
Proof or STFU
Wheres the proof there was a titan in it?
Nice trap
Wheres the proof it has not ?
Spin doctor.
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
I wonder if they will then claim that you edited the FRAPS somehow...
--23 Member--
Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!) |
Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:10:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
Nice pictures...but to be honest don't bother...
Why prove yourselves to the coalition :S
God I hope this is under 24kb
It is :) Kreul Intentions |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:10:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Mad Mackem
What's the term im looking for again
Oh yeah
Proof or STFU
Wheres the proof there was a titan in it?
Nice trap
Wheres the proof it has not ?
Spin doctor.
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
I wonder if they will then claim that you edited the FRAPS somehow...
--23 Member--
Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!) |
Athena Attom
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:12:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
I think we see some proof and that the coalition should stfu :)
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Athena Attom
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:12:00 -
[178]
*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Eldo Davip ([email protected])
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:14:00 -
[179]
Edited by: Juha85 on 02/04/2007 17:13:18
Saw this coming ;) And yet again BoB demonstrates superior tactics.. Allways admired their capabilities.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:14:00 -
[180]
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/04/2007 17:11:00
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
Thats gotta hurt coalition
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Leon 026
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:16:00 -
[181]
Hooah
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Leon 026
Once I was fallen, now I have wings |
One Percent
Caldari
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:18:00 -
[182]
Very well played BoB.
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Loomina
Gallente
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:18:00 -
[183]
BEST BANNER EVER!!! Roflmao.
Gratz and Gratz Molle/BoB
Loomina *_*
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:18:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
Donked
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Someone from MC peer-pressured me to smoke pot, now I'm cool.
Everything I say represents my corporation and their views. |
DeathGrip
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:19:00 -
[185]
Thread seems to have went very very very slow since the post of the pic's and soon to come fraps.
Let me guess, it was worth losing 50 capitals to kill an empty pos
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:20:00 -
[186]
Not being involved in the attack of f-t I would like to make a comment about the original post.
You stated you had prepared for this attack. The system was stuffed with your capitals, allies where called and you set it up so you knew where they were coming from. You also knew they would have suicided on the POS so you had some POS repping ready.
But the POS eventually did die (personally I dont care if there was or not a titan, imho there wasnt).
Now, correct me if I am wrong but the battle was pretty much purely between capitals (+ supercapitals), as in a lot of dreads sitting by each other and exchanging DPSes. They cant warp, or move, or be remote repped so it comes down to their numbers and perhaps how they are fitted right?
We have all seen the screenies of the insane horde of dreads coalition had, you say in your first post the dreads were focused on the pos and then you killed the stranded ones that couldnt jump back.
Now lastly to my question: what will you guys do if such a number of dread focused on your (outnumbered) dreads or your supercapitals as primaries next time?
If you could not keep a supertanked, remote reppable pos alive, how will you solve the problem of 100-150 dreads meeting your fleet of 50 (?) + some supercapitals?
By your own admission you gathered all your men and allies to defend F-T but the pos was still overwhelmed by the capital blob, can you prevent the same from happening again in future at another system or another pos?
What happens if the coalition + ccp's brilliant system of replacing anything lost in node-dodgy situations was actually able to keep up with replacing 50 bilions a day?
Thx
- Gob
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nickycakes
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:20:00 -
[187]
it got pretty quiet in here all the sudden
Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
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maarud
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:20:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
Will you shut up now Nez, or is this not good enough?
Maarud.
Proudly a Ex-BYDI member |
DTee
The Huns
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:21:00 -
[189]
The amount of planning and clearly excellent leadership is amazing to say the least. That is also probably the reason why the coalition will never be able to "kill" BoB.
Disclaimer: These are my personal views, they do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance. |
Admiral Pieg
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:21:00 -
[190]
Personally i wouldnt put something like this past bob hq, theyve done far more clever things in the past. Props if it happened, and if it didnt, at least this thread has planted the seeds of doubt in coalition heads.
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Pod from above. |
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:22:00 -
[191]
and when it was blown up....
Quote:
DigitalCommunist> tbh rkk directors just cried on ts
DigitalCommunist> they're in tears man
Originally by: "darth solo"
bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
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Barra Cheveyo
Gallente
Stratos Styx
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:23:00 -
[192]
Remember why this war started. Will be really bad for the game if BoB is not dead or severely weakened at the end of this.
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Tholarim
Amarr
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:23:00 -
[193]
Edited by: Tholarim on 02/04/2007 17:21:10
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Not being involved in the attack of f-t I would like to make a comment about the original post.
You stated you had prepared for this attack. The system was stuffed with your capitals, allies where called and you set it up so you knew where they were coming from. You also knew they would have suicided on the POS so you had some POS repping ready.
But the POS eventually did die (personally I dont care if there was or not a titan, imho there wasnt).
Now, correct me if I am wrong but the battle was pretty much purely between capitals (+ supercapitals), as in a lot of dreads sitting by each other and exchanging DPSes. They cant warp, or move, or be remote repped so it comes down to their numbers and perhaps how they are fitted right?
We have all seen the screenies of the insane horde of dreads coalition had, you say in your first post the dreads were focused on the pos and then you killed the stranded ones that couldnt jump back.
Now lastly to my question: what will you guys do if such a number of dread focused on your (outnumbered) dreads or your supercapitals as primaries next time?
If you could not keep a supertanked, remote reppable pos alive, how will you solve the problem of 100-150 dreads meeting your fleet of 50 (?) + some supercapitals?
By your own admission you gathered all your men and allies to defend F-T but the pos was still overwhelmed by the capital blob, can you prevent the same from happening again in future at another system or another pos?
What happens if the coalition + ccp's brilliant system of replacing anything lost in node-dodgy situations was actually able to keep up with replacing 50 bilions a day?
Thx
- Gob
The MC/YW/SERA cap fleet wasn't even with us and our cap gang was 150 allready with over 60 dreads.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:23:00 -
[194]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/04/2007 17:23:47
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
Well I'm no photoshop expert but they look genuine to me.
K I'm sold. BoB certainly have the gumption to pull something like this off.
I'm however genuinely surprised that the coalition fell for it.
There are so many inconsistencies too.....
Didn't the coalition know there were two capital ship arrays in system?
If they knew, why on earth didnt they blow up both production yards while they were at it? They surely had the firepower.
The coalition's spy network must truly suck also, to fall for disinformation on that scale.
With no titan destroyed, this has surely got to be the biggest single defeat inflicted in the history of the game.
50 capital ships OMG.. and all for nothing.
I forsee the coalition disintegrating shortly.
Its game over.. BoB win.
/emote eats hat.. yummy 
[edit:typo]
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:23:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Xendie
and when it was blown up....
Quote:
DigitalCommunist> tbh rkk directors just cried on ts
DigitalCommunist> they're in tears man
Tears of laughter.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:25:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Why do people scream for proof? there can't be any. Photoshop, lies, INTERNETS. all these things mean there will never be proof enough that what Mr Molly is saying is correct. So enjoy the trick, or the spin, or whatever you think it is, but being a fanboi (on either side) just makes you look silly.
Personally, i'm inclined to believe it's true, sounds too sexy not to be. So.. Good Job BoB :D
Let me 5 day and I prepare any sexy zomg plan of wtfpwnzorzzzz, even in an english thread.
Let's start throwing ideas...
- TCF never fought DŠ in North...
- They agreed to pewpew just to show Bob we could never ally...
- At that time Goon's command write The Plan and propose DŠ making what we did against DŠ. A strong fellowship had begins.
- Bob was turning their view against ASCN, while LV & friends was starting to have problems vs RA. As TCF's high command were close to Russian Thunder Squad (which are outbreak's alt), we secretly got friends there. all was set to beat LV without them noticing.
- TCF faint death against DŠ, then it was Goon's time. Bob finish ASCN (we hoped they could tank a little more).
- Negocation with KOS turned them to our side, LV failed but they were promised a lot of money if they fainted death to RAGoon. We could start LV mindfree.
- We enter LV space (like butter tbh). DŠ was not asked, we tried as much we could to "don't use their forces".
- The SeSpSq (DŠ's spy in RKK, TCF's in DiCe's french wing, Goon's in Evol) managed to make Bob's high command to choose to help LV in JV1V and attack DŠ in north "just to make sure nobody knew there was a conspiracy against them". Meanwhile, Outbreak make false attacks against us.
- RA was trying to organize a new empire Alliance, to make sure Bob won't supply too much in empire. This Alliance is known as The Privateers.
- IAC/AAA were asked to enter Napfrenzy with all EbilPiwat' they could. Doing this, they turned Sniggs against Bob. YouWhat was thinking yes, then said no.
Now I must find an english native speaker that can write it for me. this garantee truth, the fact I make all public is I'm bored with TCF.
Oh. And I'm Julius Cesar btw.
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Originally by: Clavius Der
I dont understand why are these big things (titans, heavy armed poses) in game if they are destroyable with metagaming only
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Silvestri
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:26:00 -
[197]
I wonder if BoB had any hand in the Dev's limiting the system to 700....even BoB can't handle the entire coalition fleet....either way, if it was or wasn't...your short one capital shipyard....dreads are getting easier and easier to come by in this game. Hell, carriers are more like BS's now...lol. 
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:26:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Not being involved in the attack of f-t I would like to make a comment about the original post.
You stated you had prepared for this attack. The system was stuffed with your capitals, allies where called and you set it up so you knew where they were coming from. You also knew they would have suicided on the POS so you had some POS repping ready.
But the POS eventually did die (personally I dont care if there was or not a titan, imho there wasnt).
Now, correct me if I am wrong but the battle was pretty much purely between capitals (+ supercapitals), as in a lot of dreads sitting by each other and exchanging DPSes. They cant warp, or move, or be remote repped so it comes down to their numbers and perhaps how they are fitted right?
We have all seen the screenies of the insane horde of dreads coalition had, you say in your first post the dreads were focused on the pos and then you killed the stranded ones that couldnt jump back.
Now lastly to my question: what will you guys do if such a number of dread focused on your (outnumbered) dreads or your supercapitals as primaries next time?
If you could not keep a supertanked, remote reppable pos alive, how will you solve the problem of 100-150 dreads meeting your fleet of 50 (?) + some supercapitals?
By your own admission you gathered all your men and allies to defend F-T but the pos was still overwhelmed by the capital blob, can you prevent the same from happening again in future at another system or another pos?
What happens if the coalition + ccp's brilliant system of replacing anything lost in node-dodgy situations was actually able to keep up with replacing 50 bilions a day?
Thx
- Gob
very well laid out.
thing is sadly, they can't. no alliance in game can replace 50billion in a day, and all the coalition together would be pushing it to replace 50b in a week. and that is if they were focused on replacing the dreads which alot of them are not. several of those alliances have awesome capital replacement programs and were in fully insured dreads. otehr components of the fleet were in un-insured dreads with poor alliance support. Every time their capitals loose a fight the survivors are less likely to come back out.
it's much like BOB's ASCN strategy. wear them down until they start fielding sub-par forces then lay into them with hammerblow after hammerblow.
If the evidence proves true, which i think it is, some of those alliances will not care a bit, others will be very annoyed.
this thread is a morale attack thread. the isk damage has already been done, some replaced some not, this is about hitting them with the follow through.
how successful it is we will not see for a bit
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Vannilla Venom
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:26:00 -
[199]
Lol at all Molles 'ikkle pets banging the drum when none of them know the truth either.It's kinds creepy if you ask me.
Sycophant-A serville self seeker who attempts to win favour by flattering influential people.
Fawning-To attempt to please or exhibit affection.As a Dog does by wagging its Tail,whining or cringing.
Osbequious-Attentive in an ingratiating or servile manner.
And even MC are looking a bit toadyish today.
Nobody knows apart from Molle and he aint gonna tell ya jack.Give it up.
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Admiral Pieg
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:27:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
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maarud
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:28:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Silvestri
I wonder if BoB had any hand in the Dev's limiting the system to 700....even BoB can't handle the entire coalition fleet....either way, if it was or wasn't...your short one capital shipyard....dreads are getting easier and easier to come by in this game. Hell, carriers are more like BS's now...lol.
Oh god. Get over it
Maarud.
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:29:00 -
[202]
Doubting Thomases is what I read, from Nez to you name it.
Above the proof was supplied, apparently to follow with fraps.
Will the Coalition believe the pictures (I know it was shopped) and/or the fraps? Probably not, so as said above by Dark, hardly worth the effort.
Oh, and do not worry. All those cap losses have already been replaced given that they were spread among many alliances, right? Why of course. (Some were apparently replaced by petition, which is actually sad.
We killed our objective so we are happy. Orly? Your objective was to kill a baby titan cooking in a pos, right?
Nez wondered if the Coalition was really that daft. I think he received his answer in spades.
One word describes the Coalition's actions in this encounter: OWNED!
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:34:00 -
[203]
personally dont believe it.
difficult to disprove though.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:34:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Proxay
And what's going on in fountain....No outposts lost sov, you lost 6 carriers today...i fail to see where bob & co are losing.
Yeah, yeah.
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Originally by: Clavius Der
I dont understand why are these big things (titans, heavy armed poses) in game if they are destroyable with metagaming only
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Fuglife
Huff Technologies
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:37:00 -
[205]
Love the banner
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Iva Soreass
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:39:00 -
[206]
Edited by: Iva Soreass on 02/04/2007 17:36:55
OWNED
Can you bandwaggoners bark? Cause you got thrown the stupid bone and fell for it.
Bark! Bark! Bark! Bark! Bark! Bark! Bark! Bark!
Well done BoB fawking nice play.
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My sig got nerf'd again :*( this time by Valorem.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:40:00 -
[207]
Originally by: slothe
personally dont believe it.
difficult to disprove though.
Didnt look at the evidence did you?
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:40:00 -
[208]
would seleene confirm the above?
Seleene is a player i totally trust, wheras sirmolle plays the dark arts of spin to his advantage (well i should add).
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Velsharoon
Gallente
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:41:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/04/2007 17:11:00
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
Thats gotta hurt coalition
Simply the best ;)
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:44:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: slothe
personally dont believe it.
difficult to disprove though.
Didnt look at the evidence did you?
update your map, would you ?
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History is made by whinners
Originally by: Clavius Der
I dont understand why are these big things (titans, heavy armed poses) in game if they are destroyable with metagaming only
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maarud
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:45:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Galactic Overlord
Titan or no, it makes no difference. It never did. Would've been nice of course, however that POS was still just one checkbox on the long list labeled "For Removal." The coalition has the desire, the resources, and the one thing that is absolutely unstoppable. Numbers.
Make your time.
Nice try, but if you're gonna end up losing this many dreads and ISK everytime you want to take down a POS, you're going to be going no where slowly
Maarud.
Proudly a Ex-BYDI member |
Ferocious FeAr
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:45:00 -
[212]
Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 02/04/2007 17:41:38
Executed with perfection. Very impressive.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:47:00 -
[213]
Impressive.
Learn what it means to be Caldari with Omerta Syndicate |
ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:47:00 -
[214]
Hehe cool. Sorry coalition
I'm a POS/photoshop noob so can't comment on the proof provided
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geomatica
Friendship 7 Corporation
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:50:00 -
[215]
GODFATHER > no guys stop copien everything i say in bios u asses...hahha |
TZeer
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:51:00 -
[216]
Kinda funny, seeing bob fanclub cheering away.... lets see how much you will be cheering when they turn on you...
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ElweSingollo
The Vanyar
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:51:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Larsson7
Originally by: OozoO
Originally by: Elad Dranoel
owned
Sir Molle is my brother in law but there is no proof - I'll later add a nice shiny banner to this post so you will believe it, ok?!
It must really hurt.
In your heart you want to believe that you destroyed a Titan in production. After all - losing 40+ Capitals to destroy an empty POS would not really lift morale, would it?
GG BoB
Thing is Larsson those that want to beleive Molle will those that don't will there is basically almost no way to prove what was being built in either of those yards so tbfh at the end of the day it doesn't matter what molle says myself basically I dunno Molle talks crap half the time anyway so no real reason to beleive him however that being said the coalition have no proof that ther was anything substantial building there.
In your heart you want to believe Molle somehow less your an alt of Molle or one of the high ups in BoB you know only what you have been told.
CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:52:00 -
[218]
Originally by: maarud
Originally by: Galactic Overlord
Titan or no, it makes no difference. It never did. Would've been nice of course, however that POS was still just one checkbox on the long list labeled "For Removal." The coalition has the desire, the resources, and the one thing that is absolutely unstoppable. Numbers.
Make your time.
Nice try, but if you're gonna end up losing this many dreads and ISK everytime you want to take down a POS, you're going to be going no where slowly
You guys still miss the fact they focused on the pos, not the enemy dreads or motherships.
- Gob
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Janice Forge
House Ordos
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:52:00 -
[219]
i'm in your space
killfn' ur doodz
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Galactic Overlord
CAOD Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:52:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Juha85
As far as I know only bob was there defending... and the whole coalition as the attacking forces? PWNED.
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
So they're gonna expend 42 dreads on every Bob POS? Thats gonna be one expensive war.
You both completely missed the point. It'll take whatever it takes, in whatever scenario it happens.
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Kai Jyokoroi
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:53:00 -
[221]
k
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WE ARE THE COLLECTIVE. RESISTANCE IS VOLTAGE OVER CURRENT.
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Allyourbase
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:54:00 -
[222]
COALITION: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US.
COALITION: YOU ARE ON THE WAY TO DESTRUCTION.
BOB: WHAT YOU SAY !!
COALITION: YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME.
BOB: HA HA HA HA . . . .
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:54:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: slothe
personally dont believe it.
difficult to disprove though.
Didnt look at the evidence did you?
update your map, would you ?
You sound upset and don't worry about it, it'll be updated soon.
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Leon 026
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:54:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Galactic Overlord
Originally by: Juha85
As far as I know only bob was there defending... and the whole coalition as the attacking forces? PWNED.
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
So they're gonna expend 42 dreads on every Bob POS? Thats gonna be one expensive war.
You both completely missed the point. It'll take whatever it takes, in whatever scenario it happens.
...at horrendous costs using suicidal zerg tactics. Yes?
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:55:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Originally by: Silvestri
I wonder if BoB had any hand in the Dev's limiting the system to 700....even BoB can't handle the entire coalition fleet....either way, if it was or wasn't...your short one capital shipyard....dreads are getting easier and easier to come by in this game. Hell, carriers are more like BS's now...lol.
No, that is our idea (it goes with the plan I told). The purpose is to limit whining from Bob, making things more difficult for us. We used a second time SeSqSp for this making think Bob they could own us in FT-E by putting as much ppl as they could in FT-E before we entered the system.
This way, we could be sure all bob were in FT-E, all ready for the 9th Circle (which is another Capital Secret Bob Have Not Noticed : CSBHNN).
We fail to deploy it, anyway. Too much ennemies 5 systems around FT-E.
If I read this correctly the poster is saying the Coalition plan was to get BoB congregated in one system and destroy them all in one fell swoop. There may well be a grain of truth in this thought by the Coalition; however, it apparently did not work out that way. And this, my friends, is apparently the difference between those who can plot and successfully carry out strategy and those that are left somewhat wanting.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:56:00 -
[226]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/04/2007 17:53:54
Originally by: Galactic Overlord
You both completely missed the point. It'll take whatever it takes, in whatever scenario it happens.
No you won't.
When losses/kills exceeds a critical amount... its game over.
You might think you will keep going, but you won't. Not unless you are the type that enjoys hopping from SS to SS looking for lone ganks, and pretending to be some freedom fighter.
To keep hope, you have to make some progress... what progress has the coalition made?
The answer is precious little. And things seem to be going from bad to worse.
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Skrypt
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:57:00 -
[227]
HEADSHOT!
Brilliant execution, BoB. Please continue your "whatever means necessary" excuse/mentality, Coalition.
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Murukan
Minmatar
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:57:00 -
[228]
Edited by: Murukan on 02/04/2007 17:53:47
Originally by: slothe
would seleene confirm the above?
Seleene is a player i totally trust, wheras sirmolle plays the dark arts of spin to his advantage (well i should add).
LOL LOL LOL LOL! Seleene the non-bs poster
Silvestri your post was rather stupid. Before it was "Oh it was worth losing all those dreads to kill a baby titan." Now it is "Well we killed a cap shipyard! Like those ****s are really hard to replace where as 50 cap ships is butter!" That's just really digging for scraps of dignity there
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:58:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Galactic Overlord
Originally by: Juha85
As far as I know only bob was there defending... and the whole coalition as the attacking forces? PWNED.
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
So they're gonna expend 42 dreads on every Bob POS? Thats gonna be one expensive war.
You both completely missed the point. It'll take whatever it takes, in whatever scenario it happens.
I'm sure that if they really wanted to they could kill every bob pos this way they could, bob of course could deploy 200 large towers for every tower the coalition took down and still spend less money on the war then them.
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nickycakes
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:58:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
You guys still miss the fact they focused on the pos, not the enemy dreads or motherships.
- Gob
no, i think we pretty much covered how stupid that was. however, after the pos was down, the remaining coalition cap ships were able to kill nothing. they had about an hour, and plenty of ships to do so, and decided to focus fire on the least likely ships to die.
Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:58:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Galactic Overlord
Titan or no, it makes no difference. It never did. Would've been nice of course, however that POS was still just one checkbox on the long list labeled "For Removal." The coalition has the desire, the resources, and the one thing that is absolutely unstoppable. Numbers.
Make your time.
So they're gonna expend 42 dreads on every Bob POS? Thats gonna be one expensive war.
/buys up Dreadnought blueprints
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:01:00 -
[232]
Just gotta press one button to take a picture.
All these pilots, and no one presses that one button?
All BS if you ask me.
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hangnoose
Caldari
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:01:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
After talking to a friend he raised some interesting points....
These two screenshots look to be taken by the same character
#1
#2
Right....... now if you look at the range the first one says Current Solar System and then at the bottom right it says Restricted.
Now in the second picture the range says CURRENT UNIVERSE, only this time it actually shows what is being built.
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:01:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Just gotta press one button to take a picture.
All these pilots, and no one presses that one button?
All BS if you ask me.
failed to check the evidence posted?
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LeviUK
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:03:00 -
[235]
Nice thread, couldn't have put it better than Magz though. Circle-jerk indeed.
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Eschwen
Gas Giant Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:03:00 -
[236]
Originally by: hangnoose
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
After talking to a friend he raised some interesting points....
These two screenshots look to be taken by the same character
#1
#2
Right....... now if you look at the range the first one says Current Solar System and then at the bottom right it says Restricted.
Now in the second picture the range says CURRENT UNIVERSE, only this time it actually shows what is being built.
The first shot is the "Installations" tab.
The second shot is the "Jobs" tab.
Very simple.
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:04:00 -
[237]
Edited by: Isonkon Serikain on 02/04/2007 18:00:20
BoB, as always, stylin' and two steps ahead of the competition... Grats if this is true.. I'm not much for images and such, being a cg artist I know anything is forgeable. I would have liked GM confirmation in this epic spanking.
To the coalition, please keep trying, but let me warn you that now BoB will go on the offensive. I can feel it.
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SirMolle
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:04:00 -
[238]
Delivery
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Timo Baas
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:06:00 -
[239]
Originally by: hangnoose
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
After talking to a friend he raised some interesting points....
These two screenshots look to be taken by the same character
#1
#2
Right....... now if you look at the range the first one says Current Solar System and then at the bottom right it says Restricted.
Now in the second picture the range says CURRENT UNIVERSE, only this time it actually shows what is being built.
And both on the status bar say "Jumps : 0" Whats your point?
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hangnoose
Caldari
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:07:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Timo Baas
Posting with an unidentified alt in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, please be sure to have the "Show Corporation" and "Show Alliance" checkboxes ticked in your forum settings.
The term alt for the purpose of these rules also includes anybody in an NPC corp. - Karass Sayfo
I'm not good with BPO's and all that jazz, so just wanted some clarification...
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Ozzie Asrail
Exploited
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:08:00 -
[241]
Damn well played BoB, a massive gamble just paid off bigtime
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Karrimdra
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:08:00 -
[242]
Originally by: TZeer
Kinda funny, seeing bob fanclub cheering away.... lets see how much you will be cheering when they turn on you...
And the gangbangingwagoners of the "train that shall not be mentioned on these forums" are doing anything other than going, hax'n'lies here?
'omg gm's cap'd system!' - look at the fraps footage on the video section of the fight - blobby crud. local there spiked at tops 450, so even if there was a 700 cap, 250 could have gotten in from the coalition. I'm sorry, but as far as i am concerned it doesn't matter what was in the POS. Molle has always been a master of spin and misinformation, so that it could be empty is hardly a suprising thought.
Beleiev what you will for anyone in here. For me, gratz to bob for setting this up and executing it.
From nothing to something in just one corp!
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niroshido
Caldari
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:09:00 -
[243]
and the true darkness shows itself
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OnlyIandU
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:09:00 -
[244]
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:12:00 -
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I'm not going to bother reading this whole thread since it's going to be nothing but pointless arguing and I know that you're telling the truth on this one Molle.
Big Congrats to BoB on what is surely the best played strategic operation in the history of this game. Once again you show that you still have the touch.
I'm sure the coalition will recover before long, and I'm sure you're already looking for another chance to kick them where it hurts.
Here's to more interesting and exciting developments as the war continues.
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Zakalwe
Delta team
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:12:00 -
[246]
Merveilleux, Sire Molle.
Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:12:00 -
[247]
well at least they built the good mothership.
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:15:00 -
[248]
Originally by: hangnoose
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
After talking to a friend he raised some interesting points....
These two screenshots look to be taken by the same character
#1
#2
Right....... now if you look at the range the first one says Current Solar System and then at the bottom right it says Restricted.
Now in the second picture the range says CURRENT UNIVERSE, only this time it actually shows what is being built.
I looked for what you are trying to say and I saw in both photos that distance of Re Education Facility and in top left same system in both photos. The first photo shows the manufacturing time because the Installation tab is selected. The other shows the Jobs tab. I do see the Current Solar System vs. Current Universe, like that matters. It shows only 1 aeon being produced in the entire current universe for Relentless Construction and unless they were building that aeon in RA or D2 space or somewhere else, it basically proves the aeon was still building after the pos assault, especially when adding to this that the manufacturing is occurring in the system where the photo is taken. Is there really any doubt?
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OozoO
Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:15:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Graalum
well at least they built the good mothership.
actually they finished it twice this morning
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:15:00 -
[250]
Next time please fake the jpg artefacts around the text in the pictures as well, okay?
If you try to fake something, then do it right. This is just lame I thought BoB would try better, really, disappointing.
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Drake Mezcal
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:17:00 -
[251]
Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 02/04/2007 18:16:52
Originally by: hangnoose
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
After talking to a friend he raised some interesting points....
These two screenshots look to be taken by the same character
#1
#2
Right....... now if you look at the range the first one says Current Solar System and then at the bottom right it says Restricted.
Now in the second picture the range says CURRENT UNIVERSE, only this time it actually shows what is being built.
Any body that knows their stuff, does this guy have a point?!?!
Also could any such situations be replicated on the test server? even if it meant simply changing the date at the bottom??
I mean its a nice blow to the coalition sa i can understand why people would go to such lengths.
EDIT = Their is something very strange about the text in the manufacturing line aswell, pixil'ated if you knwo what i mean.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:19:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Originally by: hangnoose
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
After talking to a friend he raised some interesting points....
These two screenshots look to be taken by the same character
#1
#2
Right....... now if you look at the range the first one says Current Solar System and then at the bottom right it says Restricted.
Now in the second picture the range says CURRENT UNIVERSE, only this time it actually shows what is being built.
Any body that knows their stuff, does this guy have a point?!?!
Also could any such situations be replicated on the test server? even if it meant simply changing the date at the bottom??
I mean its a nice blow to the coalition sa i can understand why people would go to such lengths.
He doesn't, both settings will display stuff in the system, one just also displays stuff outside of the system.
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Admiral Pieg
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:20:00 -
[253]
Originally by: SirMolle
Delivery
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omni eye
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:21:00 -
[254]
Very nice plan indeed. Good game and GJ
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:23:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 02/04/2007 18:16:52
Originally by: hangnoose
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
After talking to a friend he raised some interesting points....
These two screenshots look to be taken by the same character
#1
#2
Right....... now if you look at the range the first one says Current Solar System and then at the bottom right it says Restricted.
Now in the second picture the range says CURRENT UNIVERSE, only this time it actually shows what is being built.
Any body that knows their stuff, does this guy have a point?!?!
Also could any such situations be replicated on the test server? even if it meant simply changing the date at the bottom??
I mean its a nice blow to the coalition sa i can understand why people would go to such lengths.
EDIT = Their is something very strange about the text in the manufacturing line aswell, pixil'ated if you knwo what i mean.
It must have been shopped, just like the video?
Wake up folks, the Coalition was had and is grasping at straws to reclaim some dignity from their crushing defeat.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:23:00 -
[256]
Originally by: maarud
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
Will you shut up now Nez, or is this not good enough?
Photoshop FTW look at the pixels around the word "now"
kinda sad job too
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:23:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Gnulpie
If you try to fake something, then do it right. This is just lame I thought BoB would try better, really, disappointing.
Did you see the video?
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Farham
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:25:00 -
[258]
"Nice try, but if you're gonna end up losing this many dreads and ISK everytime you want to take down a POS, you're going to be going no where slowly
Maarud."
That presupposes 100+ Dreds will be attacking the POS next time. Had the coalition caps decided to give up on the POS and take aim on those 40 carriers reping or the Motherships in support...
Even Molle himself said the MSs got out in the nick of time and that was with the POS going down. Might have seen 3-4 Motherships gone kablooey had the coaltion switched sooner.
I guess we will see soon enough.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:25:00 -
[259]
I have some pretty nasty things on Sisi or do I? ... hmmm.
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Vannilla Venom
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:26:00 -
[260]
Edited by: Vannilla Venom on 02/04/2007 18:26:33
Why didnt BoB tell the coalition they had just hit the wrong POS at the time?Surely this would have meant the coalition,who thought a Titan was building, would have to return and lose another 50 dreads-for a BoB MS.
BoB could have had 2 whacks at the coalition fleet and all they would lose was an MS.
Sounds fishy to me.
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:26:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: maarud
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
Will you shut up now Nez, or is this not good enough?
Photoshop FTW look at the pixels around the word "now"
kinda sad job too
Since I am a nub at the shopping thing I checked with a friend of mine who is good at this stuff. His reply:
"red herring, all the text on those screenies get jpg artifacts on them
i should know i can fake screenshots pretty well hehe"
Owned! lol
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Buxaroo
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:26:00 -
[262]
Originally by: TZeer
Kinda funny, seeing bob fanclub cheering away.... lets see how much you will be cheering when they turn on you...
You are thinking of D2, RA et al. Haven't really seen BoB backstab anyone.....only the one's I mentioned
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: maarud
Originally by: Galactic Overlord
Titan or no, it makes no difference. It never did. Would've been nice of course, however that POS was still just one checkbox on the long list labeled "For Removal." The coalition has the desire, the resources, and the one thing that is absolutely unstoppable. Numbers.
Make your time.
Nice try, but if you're gonna end up losing this many dreads and ISK everytime you want to take down a POS, you're going to be going no where slowly
You guys still miss the fact they focused on the pos, not the enemy dreads or motherships.
- Gob
And I am sure BoB's FC were thinking the same thing and anticipated it. Even so, why didn't the hostile cap ships focus on BoB's cap fleet after killing the POS? You guys had a tremendous oppurtunity to get a very good fight. But you blew it, like so many occasions before.
In other words, the Coaltion has low expectations about there own fleets. Hense the fittings on a lot of the cap ships (RA's Mothership anyone?). You guys come to the field thinking you are going to die and fit accordingly. BoB comes to the field expecting to win and fits accordingly.
Like Sir Molle said in the other post, they brought their balls. And as someone said in that gawdawfull Tom Hanks movie, "BoB has balls as big as church bells".
And the bells just wrang like it's noon on Sunday.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:28:00 -
[263]
I don't think anyone is doubting that an Aeon was in build at the 'other' POS.
But this thread doesnt deliver any proof that the other POS was empty, aside from an easily photoshopped screenshot.
A leviathan BPO was sold - it was apparently in production.... so where is it? It would be due for delivery around now. Unless this makes an appearance on a battlefield 'soon' I'm not inclined to believe the claims that the POS was empty.
If however, a Leviathan pops up soon-ish, well, quite clearly this is the proof which would put any reasonable doubts to rest.
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Drake Mezcal
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:30:00 -
[264]
I do apologise i know nothing about this topic,
Hypothetical situation,
20 BOB go on test server, gang up, setup pos whatever,
Take screenshot
Edit time in bottom left (easily done, copy/paste with replica date and cleaned up a bit)
Possible?? proveable??
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:33:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Butter Dog
I don't think anyone is doubting that an Aeon was in build at the 'other' POS.
But this thread doesnt deliver any proof that the other POS was empty, aside from an easily photoshopped screenshot.
A leviathan BPO was sold - it was apparently in production.... so where is it? It would be due for delivery around now. Unless this makes an appearance on a battlefield 'soon' I'm not inclined to believe the claims that the POS was empty.
If however, a Leviathan pops up soon-ish, well, quite clearly this is the proof which would put any reasonable doubts to rest.
Butter, for doubt to be reasonable it has to be based on some kind of reason. So far there is no proof of any such reason, including your thought that because the bpo was bought means it was immediately being manufactured. You talk in suppositions not of reason.
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Jotan Veer
Slaughterhouse
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:33:00 -
[266]
This topic is simply awesome. Please more
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:34:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 02/04/2007 18:29:08
I do apologise i know nothing about this topic,
Hypothetical situation,
200 BOB jump onto test server, gang up, setup pos whatever,
Take screenshot
Edit time in bottom left (easily done, copy/paste with replica date and cleaned up a bit)
Possible?? proveable??
I hear the new T3 tinfoil hats will be out soon as well.
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Drake Mezcal
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:37:00 -
[268]
In fact ignore all my previous posts.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
Delete all the bob and bob fanbois and ar.se lickers and you'll be left with everyone shouting "fake fake"" "photoshop" "look at ze pixels"
Delete all the coalition and coalition fanbois (me) and you be left with "oh molle /lick" "bob rule" "excellent trap" "coalition is noobs"
At the end of the day, it is and it always will be a clear 2 sides to the war. So cant every1, Molle included just stfu form now on.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:37:00 -
[269]
Originally by: ElCoCo
Originally by: Gnulpie
If you try to fake something, then do it right. This is just lame I thought BoB would try better, really, disappointing.
Did you see the video?
I am talking about the pics. And they are faked. And it is a lame fake which is disappointing.
Drama and all is good, but it needs to be well done otherwise it is just poor.
Imagine watching a movie. I do not like stories which are not plausible and have logical mistakes. So far drama was good, the aprils joke was placed well. But all these poorly made fakes destroy the nice illusion.
Ah well, no one will believe me anyway.
If you enter CAOD, leave your brain outsides
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Drake Mezcal
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:38:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 02/04/2007 18:29:08
I do apologise i know nothing about this topic,
Hypothetical situation,
200 BOB jump onto test server, gang up, setup pos whatever,
Take screenshot
Edit time in bottom left (easily done, copy/paste with replica date and cleaned up a bit)
Possible?? proveable??
I hear the new T3 tinfoil hats will be out soon as well.
And i hate ar5e'holes like you.
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Xscaped Pensioner
Trident Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:38:00 -
[271]
Originally by: Butter Dog
I don't think anyone is doubting that an Aeon was in build at the 'other' POS.
But this thread doesnt deliver any proof that the other POS was empty, aside from an easily photoshopped screenshot.
A leviathan BPO was sold - it was apparently in production.... so where is it? It would be due for delivery around now. Unless this makes an appearance on a battlefield 'soon' I'm not inclined to believe the claims that the POS was empty.
If however, a Leviathan pops up soon-ish, well, quite clearly this is the proof which would put any reasonable doubts to rest.
Butter***** THE QUEEN IS NOT SIG MATERIAL SORT YOURSELF OUT ,yeah I am english and do appreciate our Monarch being used in such a manner.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:39:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: Butter Dog
I don't think anyone is doubting that an Aeon was in build at the 'other' POS.
But this thread doesnt deliver any proof that the other POS was empty, aside from an easily photoshopped screenshot.
A leviathan BPO was sold - it was apparently in production.... so where is it? It would be due for delivery around now. Unless this makes an appearance on a battlefield 'soon' I'm not inclined to believe the claims that the POS was empty.
If however, a Leviathan pops up soon-ish, well, quite clearly this is the proof which would put any reasonable doubts to rest.
Butter, for doubt to be reasonable it has to be based on some kind of reason. So far there is no proof of any such reason, including your thought that because the bpo was bought means it was immediately being manufactured. You talk in suppositions not of reason.
You're quite correct. I'm basically not sure what to believe about this situation, though we all know BoB excel at spin.
I don't believe though, that someone would spend 63bn on a Leviathan BPO and not put it into production...
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Jordan Musgrat
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:40:00 -
[273]
Nice BOB. Keep up teh good work.
If you won't believe Molle, there is no way that you will ever know for sure. He is probably one of less than 10 people that knows what that pos was building... There is no coalition that can give anything more substantial than what Molle can give.
See you on the field, been fun lately.
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Vannilla Venom
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:40:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: Butter Dog
I don't think anyone is doubting that an Aeon was in build at the 'other' POS.
But this thread doesnt deliver any proof that the other POS was empty, aside from an easily photoshopped screenshot.
A leviathan BPO was sold - it was apparently in production.... so where is it? It would be due for delivery around now. Unless this makes an appearance on a battlefield 'soon' I'm not inclined to believe the claims that the POS was empty.
If however, a Leviathan pops up soon-ish, well, quite clearly this is the proof which would put any reasonable doubts to rest.
Butter, for doubt to be reasonable it has to be based on some kind of reason. So far there is no proof of any such reason, including your thought that because the bpo was bought means it was immediately being manufactured. You talk in suppositions not of reason.
You think it's reasonable that Molle is telling the truth?
I'm surprised you can talk at all with your tongue stuck firmly down the back of Molles trousers!Maybe some of what you got on stuck your tongue has got in your eyes.
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:40:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 02/04/2007 18:29:08
I do apologise i know nothing about this topic,
Hypothetical situation,
200 BOB jump onto test server, gang up, setup pos whatever,
Take screenshot
Edit time in bottom left (easily done, copy/paste with replica date and cleaned up a bit)
Possible?? proveable??
I hear the new T3 tinfoil hats will be out soon as well.
And i hate ar5e'holes like you.
Bad day at work snookums?
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:42:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Vannilla Venom
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: Butter Dog
I don't think anyone is doubting that an Aeon was in build at the 'other' POS.
But this thread doesnt deliver any proof that the other POS was empty, aside from an easily photoshopped screenshot.
A leviathan BPO was sold - it was apparently in production.... so where is it? It would be due for delivery around now. Unless this makes an appearance on a battlefield 'soon' I'm not inclined to believe the claims that the POS was empty.
If however, a Leviathan pops up soon-ish, well, quite clearly this is the proof which would put any reasonable doubts to rest.
Butter, for doubt to be reasonable it has to be based on some kind of reason. So far there is no proof of any such reason, including your thought that because the bpo was bought means it was immediately being manufactured. You talk in suppositions not of reason.
You think it's reasonable that Molle is telling the truth?
I'm surprised you can talk at all with your tongue stuck firmly down the back of Molles trousers!Maybe some of what you got on stuck your tongue has got in your eyes.
Post with you main?
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:42:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 02/04/2007 18:29:08
I do apologise i know nothing about this topic,
Hypothetical situation,
200 BOB jump onto test server, gang up, setup pos whatever,
Take screenshot
Edit time in bottom left (easily done, copy/paste with replica date and cleaned up a bit)
Possible?? proveable??
I hear the new T3 tinfoil hats will be out soon as well.
Ah there it is the old standby insult used by BoB or its pets. The same was used when ASCN said BoB was getting help from Devs. So basically if we think BoB is dishonest (even though they have proven to be so)we need Tinfoil. Once its been proven its not paranoia anymore.
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Drake Mezcal
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:44:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 02/04/2007 18:29:08
I do apologise i know nothing about this topic,
Hypothetical situation,
200 BOB jump onto test server, gang up, setup pos whatever,
Take screenshot
Edit time in bottom left (easily done, copy/paste with replica date and cleaned up a bit)
Possible?? proveable??
I hear the new T3 tinfoil hats will be out soon as well.
And i hate ar5e'holes like you.
Bad day at work snookums?
Nah not really, I just wish work was the only place im surrounded in people licking the bosses hoop.
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BorisThe Blade
Amarr
Dicken's Cider
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:45:00 -
[279]
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
garbage
er.. dude STFU close the browser
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:46:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 02/04/2007 18:29:08
I do apologise i know nothing about this topic,
Hypothetical situation,
200 BOB jump onto test server, gang up, setup pos whatever,
Take screenshot
Edit time in bottom left (easily done, copy/paste with replica date and cleaned up a bit)
Possible?? proveable??
I hear the new T3 tinfoil hats will be out soon as well.
And i hate ar5e'holes like you.
Bad day at work snookums?
Nah not really, I just wish work was the only place im surrounded in people licking the bosses hoop.
At least your attempt at comedy went somewhere here. I honestly lick no one's hoop. If you do not believe that, simply ask around.
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:47:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: maarud
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
Will you shut up now Nez, or is this not good enough?
Photoshop FTW look at the pixels around the word "now"
kinda sad job too
Those pixels are an artifacts of low quality JPEG compression. Go into science, open Installation, select Current regions, select any station with available installation, hit Prt Scrn. In CCP\EVE\Capture\Screenshots find a screenshot, open it and zoom like 400+%. You will see same pixels around word Now.
JPEG compression artifacts.
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:49:00 -
[282]
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 02/04/2007 18:45:43
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 02/04/2007 18:29:08
I do apologise i know nothing about this topic,
Hypothetical situation,
200 BOB jump onto test server, gang up, setup pos whatever,
Take screenshot
Edit time in bottom left (easily done, copy/paste with replica date and cleaned up a bit)
Possible?? proveable??
I hear the new T3 tinfoil hats will be out soon as well.
Ah there it is the old standby insult used by BoB or its pets. The same was used when ASCN said BoB was getting help from Devs. So basically if we think BoB is dishonest (even though they have proven to be so)we need Tinfoil. Once its been proven its not paranoia anymore.
Was it BoB that was dishonest or the dev? I know it is tough to take, is it not?
Regarding the insult, if what is proposed is possible, then why have not the Coalition printed screenshots that dispute this one?
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:51:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Indiano Arko
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: maarud
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
Will you shut up now Nez, or is this not good enough?
Photoshop FTW look at the pixels around the word "now"
kinda sad job too
Those pixels are an artifacts of low quality JPEG compression. Go into science, open Installation, select Current regions, select any station with available installation, hit Prt Scrn. In CCP\EVE\Capture\Screenshots find a screenshot, open it and zoom like 400+%. You will see same pixels around word Now.
JPEG compression artifacts.
OMG, another person with a clue. Same as what my friend basically said. Thanks for the actually constructive input. I am in your debt.
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Cmd Woodlouse
moon7empler
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:52:00 -
[284]
omg u all should enjoy RL more often
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:52:00 -
[285]
lolz potato.
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:54:00 -
[286]
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 02/04/2007 18:50:51
Originally by: Randay
lolz potato.
Randay, my love, I miss you.
To Cmdr Woodlouse: I run my own business so I spend my time as I feel appropriate. Today, that is debunking the Coalition claims. Tomorrow, who know?
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Rj Indael
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:56:00 -
[287]
With all the screenshots and other things, it should be no problem to post a screenshot of the aeon :)
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:56:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 02/04/2007 18:45:43
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 02/04/2007 18:29:08
I do apologise i know nothing about this topic,
Hypothetical situation,
200 BOB jump onto test server, gang up, setup pos whatever,
Take screenshot
Edit time in bottom left (easily done, copy/paste with replica date and cleaned up a bit)
Possible?? proveable??
I hear the new T3 tinfoil hats will be out soon as well.
Ah there it is the old standby insult used by BoB or its pets. The same was used when ASCN said BoB was getting help from Devs. So basically if we think BoB is dishonest (even though they have proven to be so)we need Tinfoil. Once its been proven its not paranoia anymore.
Was it BoB that was dishonest or the dev? I know it is tough to take, is it not?
Regarding the insult, if what is proposed is possible, then why have not the Coalition printed screenshots that dispute this one?
#1
The dev was in BoB was he? Even in a rather prominent position as well if I remeber. Did the alliance profit from the he offenders actions for more that eight months afetr the offense? ok lets look at it this way...if it was a trap...It would not have been nearl as effective without he system cap helping it out...so knowing that BoB is the be all and end all of PVP and they never ever do anything without a 100% cahance of success they obviously knew that the system cap would be in effect otherwise they would have never laid the trap.
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Lungorthin
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:56:00 -
[289]
Originally by: Boliknar
Photoshop FTW look at the pixels around the word "now"
kinda sad job too
I wish to break the forum silence regarding war matters to clarify this technical issue that I happen to know about.
I happen to have studied lossless (e.g. GIF) and lossy (e.g. JPG) compression of images. A JPG image creates what some call a "compression artifact" (Wikipedia Link to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_artifact
If you look at the first picture you will notice this "pixel noise" (compression artifact) not only around the word "now" but pretty much around all words, and even around the icons on the menu bar on the left hand side.
I quote from Wikipedia
When using the Discrete Cosine Transform for block-based coding, as in JPEG-compressed images, several types of artifacts can appear, including contouring and posterizing in otherwise smooth gradients, staircase noise along curving edges, "mosquito noise" around edges, and/or checkerboarding in "busy" regions (sometimes called quilting or blockiness).
It is a known issue of JPG compression. I simply creates noise in areas that were smooth before compression, particularly around hard lines.
In the end believe what you want, but be aware of the effects on graphics that have been JPEG compressed.
Cheers.
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Cmd Woodlouse
moon7empler
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:56:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 02/04/2007 18:50:51
Originally by: Randay
lolz potato.
Randay, my love, I miss you.
To Cmdr Woodlouse: I run my own business so I spend my time as I feel appropriate. Today, that is debunking the Coalition claims. Tomorrow, who know?
I run my own business aswell and i still give you the friendly advice to not care to much about this here - trust me, years of forumwhorage is talking to you. Its a waste of time
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Adam Weishaupt
Minmatar
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:01:00 -
[291]
Originally by: SirMolle
Delivery
Either way, BOB has demonstrated two things.
1) The ability to extract a massive toll for any significant loss on their own part.
2) The ability EITHER to pull off elaborate deception ops capable of extracting an unprecedented, one-sided victory, OR to convince/create doubt in the minds of a fair share of the game population that they are able to do so. Or, perhaps, both?
If the Coalition recovers, coordinates, attacks over and over and over and somehow reverses the financial strain they're under...and finally, wins anyway, none of that will matter, and you can bet it's careful planners like SirMolle who appreciate that better than anybody.
You can call those cheering this pets, brown nosers, whatever. That's fine. Things like this are why EVE is the finest game in the world, and I'm happy to praise cleverness no matter who it comes from. Because such things are -possible-. And the element of doubt is so realistic that it could have been ripped from any number of current events. Did they cross the border or didn't they? Did they have the weapons of mass destruction or didn't they? Who are you going to believe? Why? All part of the game.
Congratulations on an unprecedented victory, BOB.
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Rjindael
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:06:00 -
[292]
Test Server FTW :)
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:06:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 02/04/2007 18:50:51
Originally by: Randay
lolz potato.
Randay, my love, I miss you.
To Cmdr Woodlouse: I run my own business so I spend my time as I feel appropriate. Today, that is debunking the Coalition claims. Tomorrow, who know?
I run my own business aswell and i still give you the friendly advice to not care to much about this here - trust me, years of forumwhorage is talking to you. Its a waste of time
Sadly, I have to agree with you on that one. I just felt today like I needed to post. Not sure why. I am sure the bug will dissipate rapidly.
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Lucututerian
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:09:00 -
[294]
just wondering how long you take to post this thread,to build an picture takes a time so i understand you, you have to build a new one where we can see something, baybe then few ppl belive you, lool.
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Nathin Ames
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:10:00 -
[295]
You want the proof.....
Wait till BoB's newest AEON kills you...
Would that be proof enough or do we need to tatoo it on your head?
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:10:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 02/04/2007 18:50:51
Originally by: Randay
lolz potato.
Randay, my love, I miss you.
To Cmdr Woodlouse: I run my own business so I spend my time as I feel appropriate. Today, that is debunking the Coalition claims. Tomorrow, who know?
I run my own business aswell and i still give you the friendly advice to not care to much about this here - trust me, years of forumwhorage is talking to you. Its a waste of time
- Gob
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:13:00 -
[297]
They could just assemble all their aeons together and get a fraps of that... would that be enough proof to you? Probably not. Then again, why does bob have to prove anything? They stated what happened and its up to you if you will believe it or not. It doesnt matter to them if you do or not...
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:16:00 -
[298]
Best thread of the week...
BoB & co > We did it again
Coalition > OMG haxploit, again!
My next prediction: Leviathan announcement, or better yet, Leviathan DDD at a coalition system near you...
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PMBhauler
Pod Me Beautiful
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:19:00 -
[299]
My only question
Why take 4+ days to release a statement with proof instead of right away?
Tin foil hat time......because they needed to generate the fake pictures. If they had pictures and wanted to gain credibility....IMMEDIATELY upon the shipyard being destroyed BOB should have posted said proof. Posting it now makes it look fake and damage control driven.
Whatever whats the point....nobody will believe BOD anyway. Coalition will always believe that a titan was destroyed no matter what people say, proof that is faked etc.
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Baymm
Shadow Gypsies
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:20:00 -
[300]
I have no idea what really happened. I am ok with that. However, SirMolle has provided additional evidence to substantiate the argument that in fact no titan was building in the POS. I believe the Coalition could go a long ways to helping us judge the credibility of their argument if they would disclose what information they have that a titan was being built in the POS. Surely there is some information that can be made public beyond a leviation BPO being purchased some months back?
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Shadow Gypsies
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Shadow Gypsies
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:21:00 -
[301]
Originally by: PMBhauler
My only question
Why take 4+ days to release a statement with proof instead of right away?
Tin foil hat time......because they needed to generate the fake pictures. If they had pictures and wanted to gain credibility....IMMEDIATELY upon the shipyard being destroyed BOB should have posted said proof. Posting it now makes it look fake and damage control driven.
Whatever whats the point....nobody will believe BOD anyway. Coalition will always believe that a titan was destroyed no matter what people say, proof that is faked etc.
Well, this point is dismissed easily. Why would they bother to annouce it 4 days ago when a Mothership was in the cooker and the coalition could come back and abort it?
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Shadow Gypsies
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Rjindael
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:23:00 -
[302]
Edited by: Rjindael on 02/04/2007 19:23:08
I think BoB have to tell the public that there was no titan in the POS because some people will leave bob alone and change to the other site. So BoB have to do propaganda that the other corps still think, that BoB is the winner in this war, if more corps fight against them or cancel trades with them, they have to less support for this war. At the moment they start new wars with hiring merc corps to bother the coaliation in the empire and they do propaganda that tehy dont lose ther partners. It all depends at the people if they realy belive what BoB is telling them.
Like in the second World War, as all Germans got telled that they are winnig in Russia, but in real they got there ass kicked.
P.S.: And if there are a ready titan, why they post the pictures of the POS and not from the titan in space ?
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:26:00 -
[303]
Stop. Making. RL. Comparisons. With. EVE. 
Originally by: elbenito
The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:26:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Nathin Ames
You want the proof.....
Wait till BoB's newest AEON kills you...
Would that be proof enough or do we need to tatoo it on your head?
To be fair, the contents of the 'other' POS have absolutely no effect on the contents of the one which was destroyed. I'm not even sure why it is being mentioned. A thought diversion, perhaps.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:27:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Adam Weishaupt
Originally by: SirMolle
Delivery
Either way, BOB has demonstrated two things.
1) The ability to extract a massive toll for any significant loss on their own part.
2) The ability EITHER to pull off elaborate deception ops capable of extracting an unprecedented, one-sided victory, OR to convince/create doubt in the minds of a fair share of the game population that they are able to do so. Or, perhaps, both?
If the Coalition recovers, coordinates, attacks over and over and over and somehow reverses the financial strain they're under...and finally, wins anyway, none of that will matter, and you can bet it's careful planners like SirMolle who appreciate that better than anybody.
You can call those cheering this pets, brown nosers, whatever. That's fine. Things like this are why EVE is the finest game in the world, and I'm happy to praise cleverness no matter who it comes from. Because such things are -possible-. And the element of doubt is so realistic that it could have been ripped from any number of current events. Did they cross the border or didn't they? Did they have the weapons of mass destruction or didn't they? Who are you going to believe? Why? All part of the game.
Congratulations on an unprecedented victory, BOB.
Ok here is someone speaking about issues of which he no clue.
What opray tell is this financial strain you assume the north is under? What proof do you have? Oh yeah thats right none! We are just supposed to assume the north is under financial strain because well not one could stand up to your Demi-gods BoB for such a long time without being under strain is that it? Man the sycophantic suck ups in this thread are just incredible.
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Tenos Del'Vaas
The Knights Templar
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:34:00 -
[306]
Maybe Im missing something but how did they build an Aeon in an Advanced Large Ship Assembly Array?
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:35:00 -
[307]
Edited by: Boliknar on 02/04/2007 19:31:35
nvm
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Cleonius
BoBo Corp
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:35:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Tenos Del'Vaas
Maybe Im missing something but how did they build an Aeon in an Advanced Large Ship Assembly Array?
Nobody can. But it's quite possible to build an Aeon in a Capital Array that has been named "Advanced Large Ship Assembly Array".
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:37:00 -
[309]
BoB & friends must outnumber the coalition by now so its effectively over. This cap yard business is the ultimate morale blow and numbers will likely continue to rise on BoB's side and fall on the coalitions side.
It seems everyone wants a piece of their victory. Why? Because most of Eve is spineless, can't beat 'em join 'em eh?
To the members of the coalition I salute you for making the first serious effort to remove them. Guess we all got fooled into thinking they had no sympathy outside of xelasfixmc.
"Next!"
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:37:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Tenos Del'Vaas
Maybe Im missing something but how did they build an Aeon in an Advanced Large Ship Assembly Array?
They're didn't, you can rename shipyards to show up under a different name in the management screen.
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Wyehr
Shadow Of The Light
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:39:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Lungorthin
It is a known issue of JPG compression. I simply creates noise in areas that were smooth before compression, particularly around hard lines.
In the end believe what you want, but be aware of the effects on graphics that have been JPEG compressed.
Cheers.
If they were taken in high quality mode, they should be (gigantic) bitmaps and could be converted to PNG and reposted.
-- stop reading if you know how JPEGs work, or if you don't care to --
JPEG was designed for photographs of the real world, not for line art or computer graphics. DCT is very similar to FFT, so if you know how MP3s work, JPEG is pretty easy to follow. The very, very short version is that instead of storing levels at every sample point (PCM does this for audio data, bitmaps do this for visual data), you store the frequency data needed to approximately reconstruct the original. Once you are looking at the data in this new way, you find that you can now throw out parts of the data that won't be missed by a human.
In the frequency domain, a sharp line is the sum of an infinite number of harmonics, just like a square wave is the sum of all the odd harmonics of the fundamental. If you chop off the harmonic series before the wavelength gets to a single pixel, you get artifacts like that. If you do let the series go all the way out, you can store the exact image, but then you are probably looking at a larger file than when you started.
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Heilongjiang
YASA.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:40:00 -
[312]
How will the Coalition adapt to this result,this i'm more interested in than pages and pages of blatant stroking.
In fact this whole thread makes me want to vomit..
Another steaming pileup
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Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:41:00 -
[313]
Originally by: Drag Queen
Originally by: Juha85
They could just assemble all their aeons together and get a fraps of that... would that be enough proof to you? Probably not. Then again, why does bob have to prove anything? They stated what happened and its up to you if you will believe it or not. It doesnt matter to them if you do or not...
Potentially the first sensible thing said on this thread.
Gratz BoB - nice trap
This analogy would only work if BoB would be taking heavy losses like the Germans and telling their allies that they are winning the war. You know, like the coalition is doing.
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Securion Wolfheart
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:42:00 -
[314]
42 dreads and 5 carriers destroyed...? Do ppl realise how much of a LOSS that is? Its an INSANE loss. Its unbelivable. Its THE BIGGEST LOSS EVER IN THE HISTORY OF EVE.
How many hours of ratting and mining are 42 dreads btw? ;)
And if you still wont belive the evidence... well... then no evidence can make you belive.
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Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:47:00 -
[315]
Thread cleaned up to this point...some off-topic, trolling, and flame posts removed. Please keep it civil, and leave real-life comparisons and political commentary out.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:48:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Securion Wolfheart
42 dreads and 5 carriers destroyed...? Do ppl realise how much of a LOSS that is? Its an INSANE loss. Its unbelivable. Its THE BIGGEST LOSS EVER IN THE HISTORY OF EVE.
How many hours of ratting and mining are 42 dreads btw? ;)
And if you still wont belive the evidence... well... then no evidence can make you belive.
Yes but having to read endless gloating posts from people who had little to do with any of it is just as tiring as reading "BoB are devs!" posts.
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chrisreeves
Gallente
Asgard Protectorate
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:49:00 -
[317]
Good job, well played Bob
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The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Rinaw
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:50:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Nathin Ames
You want the proof.....
Wait till BoB's newest AEON kills you...
Would that be proof enough or do we need to tatoo it on your head?
To be fair, the contents of the 'other' POS have absolutely no effect on the contents of the one which was destroyed. I'm not even sure why it is being mentioned. A thought diversion, perhaps.
U frakking dump or what??
because 1 of the ship yards was not building !!!
Image, before blow up
U can see it here or go read the 45 pages post where even the coalition says that 1 of the 2cap ship yards was building and the other was empty.
SO, if the one that survived HAD the aeon on it it was cos the other one was frakking empty !!!! ffs learn to read.
Goons had recognized that they attacked the wrong post, cos the spy looked at the jobs and ohhh frakk, now theres 1 cap yard and it has the timer 2 days ago , go read the scraphead forums!!!
Evil thug posted a screenshot on the aprils fool post by molle showing that the remaining cap yard still had a countdown.
What more do you need??
ohh and :
After destroying the cap ship yard
JPEG without compresion ^^^
remember 1 empty 1 full, ohh look the one NOT destroyed have a timer
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nickky01
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:50:00 -
[319]
Originally by: welsh wizard
Originally by: Securion Wolfheart
42 dreads and 5 carriers destroyed...? Do ppl realise how much of a LOSS that is? Its an INSANE loss. Its unbelivable. Its THE BIGGEST LOSS EVER IN THE HISTORY OF EVE.
How many hours of ratting and mining are 42 dreads btw? ;)
And if you still wont belive the evidence... well... then no evidence can make you belive.
Yes but having to read endless gloating posts from people who had little to do with any of it is just as tiring as reading "BoB are devs!" posts.
qft there
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Fabrezio
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:52:00 -
[320]
Lies make baby jesus cry!
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Iva Soreass
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:55:00 -
[321]
Well the bandwaggoners can claim one thing out of that battle, they now hold the title of the MOST cap ships lost in one engagement \o/ Grats
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Agillae
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:58:00 -
[322]
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Farham
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:59:00 -
[323]
"How many hours of ratting and mining are 42 dreads btw? ;)"
Thats a good question but a better one is how many hours of 10/10 plexing...
The answer in that case can be counted in single digit days.
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Leomund Sardis
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:59:00 -
[324]
Elmo,
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:00:00 -
[325]
Originally by: welsh wizard
BoB & friends must outnumber the coalition by now so its effectively over. This cap yard business is the ultimate morale blow and numbers will likely continue to rise on BoB's side and fall on the coalitions side.
It seems everyone wants a piece of their victory. Why? Because most of Eve is spineless, can't beat 'em join 'em eh?
To the members of the coalition I salute you for making the first serious effort to remove them. Guess we all got fooled into thinking they had no sympathy outside of xelasfixmc.
"Next!"
Where is this out pouring of support from general Eve community? There is none. The peo[le stroking BoB on this thread are the ones who have been doing so since the beginning.
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:02:00 -
[326]
Quote:
To the members of the coalition I salute you for making the first serious effort to remove them. Guess we all got fooled into thinking they had no sympathy outside of xelasfixmc.
Well I don't see any fat lady around yet, and I'm certainly hoping she won't show up for a while- as are, I hope, most of EVE players who are enjoying the pew pew inmensely.
Originally by: elbenito
The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:02:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Securion Wolfheart
42 dreads and 5 carriers destroyed...? Do ppl realise how much of a LOSS that is? Its an INSANE loss. Its unbelivable. Its THE BIGGEST LOSS EVER IN THE HISTORY OF EVE.
How many hours of ratting and mining are 42 dreads btw? ;)
There were many alliances involved, I made a quick sum of all the people in them and came to 15620. If we say that only half of those people are active and half of them are completely inactive then we come to 7810 people who can work towards those 42 dreads.
I say that a dread costs 2 bil (insurance payout doesn't count because you have to insure the dread again and then the money is gone again). The 42 dreads would then cost 84 bil isk.
84 bil isk / 7810 people = 10.7 mil / person.
Now asume that you can make 20 mil/hour in 0.0 (I can make 10 mil/hour in high sec) with ratting.
Then you need all the people work for half an hour to replace the worth of the 42 dreads.
Indeed, an impressive victory!
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Xyntya Tayoko
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:03:00 -
[328]
Great job BoB Your victory clearly shows that tactics >> lame zerg.
I want to see at last 10 coalition cap ships killed every day
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Baymm
Shadow Gypsies
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:05:00 -
[329]
Edited by: Baymm on 02/04/2007 20:02:25
Stroking Bob?
If D2 or someone in the Coalition could offer any evidence that they killed a titan, I imagine most everyone would say "good job". But they haven't offered any proof at all. Bob has offered evidence to support their claim and the evidence is pretty convincing that other coalition pilots are agreeing.
Instead of maligning people as "stroking Bob", maybe you should call on the Coalition to produce the evidence that there was a titan in that POS. Surely, they had to have some belief it was there, no? Well, what evidence convinced them to make this attack?
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Shadow Gypsies
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:06:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Farham
"How many hours of ratting and mining are 42 dreads btw? ;)"
Thats a good question but a better one is how many hours of 10/10 plexing...
The answer in that case can be counted in single digit days.
Umm... 42 dreads, 3bil each atleast if fitted correctly. 126bil? in 9 days that would still make 14bil per day. Depends on the amount of plexes and its still a ****load... :P
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dirtystockbird
The Nine Gates
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:06:00 -
[331]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/04/2007 17:23:47
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
Well I'm no photoshop expert but they look genuine to me.
K I'm sold. BoB certainly have the gumption to pull something like this off.
I'm however genuinely surprised that the coalition fell for it.
There are so many inconsistencies too.....
Didn't the coalition know there were two capital ship arrays in system?
If they knew, why on earth didnt they blow up both production yards while they were at it? They surely had the firepower.
The coalition's spy network must truly suck also, to fall for disinformation on that scale.
With no titan destroyed, this has surely got to be the biggest single defeat inflicted in the history of the game.
50 capital ships OMG.. and all for nothing.
I forsee the coalition disintegrating shortly.
Its game over.. BoB win.
/emote eats hat.. yummy
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There are a lot of people that even when you show them undeniable proof that somehow they are still right and you are still wrong. For instance the player that can never be beat by a higher skilled player, that you MUST have cheated somehow to beat him.
I took you for one of these people, I was wrong.
GJ Bob for a very well laid trap (I guess all of this was pre-planned?).
And GJ to the coalition who did show determination and to those guys who put their capital ships on the line.
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Mourning Starr
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:09:00 -
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seems like only yesterday ragoon were boasting about the LV cap losses being the biggest in eve history - hats off guys, you've totally broken that record ... war bonds anyone?
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Hastabum
Gallente
Hastabum Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:13:00 -
[333]
Originally by: PMBhauler
My only question
Why take 4+ days to release a statement with proof instead of right away?
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Not trying to be rude.... but why exactly would they show the world they are building a supercapital in the other POS?
Also, early april fools jokes are becoming a habit lately. Late april fools is for the retarded.
Think before you post.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:14:00 -
[334]
GG & well played BoB!
I doubt the coalition of bandwagons will recover from this.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:19:00 -
[335]
w1n.
bawk!
http://nhimebaugh.wetpaint.com/
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Siva Calentis
The Pikey Rebellion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:21:00 -
[336]
Someone send me an eve-mail when the war is over and tell me who won. Short of that I don't care no more. Lost interest long ago.
after reading close on 80 pages worth spread through a few threads on this subject I can safely say I care no longer. I have completely lost interest.
PS. I actually believe BoB with this, which is a shame as I would like to see BoB taking big losses. Not going to happen with the coalition currently as they are too disorganised.
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Alpine 69
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:24:00 -
[337]
Edited by: Alpine 69 on 02/04/2007 20:20:54
This is ownage in its purest form
The one behind this masterplan can feel happy for himself and his alliance, nice one!
BTW: when i opened this thread, it had 6 pages, now, when i was reading page 4, it had 12 pages lol, can't read so fast, quit posting
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darkfuntime
Minmatar
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:27:00 -
[338]
Ahhh a april fools joke that was really funny.Two Cap poses in one system.Molle tell a new joke so i can laugh again.
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bigfatbird
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:36:00 -
[339]
Hmm you need this long to come up with that tale?
Dude you are defenitely getting old.
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Dalanoria
sPaCeBaLlS tHe cOrP
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:39:00 -
[340]
Be it propaganda or not,me thinks the coalition needs new fleet commanders.
BOB+Friends are taking a fraction of the losses compared to the North in terms of isk lost.Eventualy you'll run out of resources to replace your fleets.
I hope the day never comes where its a all blue map.But it seems its entirely practical with the decisions being made by Northern FC's...
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Hastabum
Gallente
Hastabum Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:40:00 -
[341]
Think this and previous threads can be pretty much summed up in the following fictional conversation:
A: "Baby titan + BPO killed!!!"
B: "You lost all your little capital ships"
A: "Doesnt matter, we killed the POS"
B: "Let's assume for a moment there was something in the POS, why would we keep the BPO in the POS when there is a station in the system?"
A: "what?"
B: "POS was empty either way"
A: "Typical propaganda lolz!! I know for sure it was building cause I heard from a guy that knows my sister talk about a story that she heard from her mom...."
B: "Here's several screenshots and Fraps"
A: "So who cares if it was empty? Our goal was to kill the POS and we succeeded!"
B: "I thought you said you wanted to kill the titan"
A: "Doesnt matter, we killed one of your capital POS and are coming for you!! Train have no brakes!!"
B: "Kinda expensive isnt it, 3b lost vs 100b killed?"
A: "Doesnt matter, carriers are like BS these days, easy to replace, LOLz. And we know you were building a titan."
B: "Have you heard of Occam's razor? "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one." Now with the proof presented, what's the most likely?"
A: "I dont buy your propaganda. Fact is there has been a Leviathan BPO bought at one point and none has been built yet, so it must have been building in that POS of yours."
B: "So why don't you clarify the reasons for you assuming there has been a leviathan baby in the POS, got any proof?"
A: "Hey, here's our proof: do you really think we would lose 50 capitals over a hunch? The higher ups in the chain of command must know what they are doing, else they wouldn't waste 50 capitals. And they did waste 50 capitals so they knew what they were doing, so there's yer proof Lolz!! Train not have brakes!!"
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D1ck Jones
Old Detroit Crime Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:43:00 -
[342]
Originally by: bigfatbird
Hmm you need this long to come up with that tale?
Dude you are defenitely getting old.
maybe they wanted to wait for the aeon to complete before posting?
seems you are trying to hard to believe that your weren't played by bob
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R'adeh
Gallente
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:45:00 -
[343]
Molle says it was empty, it MUST be true...and he has no reason to lie, right?
1/10...took you too long to come up with some propaganda excuse
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:46:00 -
[344]
Screenshot 4 is 2 minutes out of sync with the other 3 that show both EvE Time and Manufacturing time remaining.
Not damning by any means, but suspicious nonetheless.
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Hastabum
Gallente
Hastabum Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:46:00 -
[345]
Originally by: R'adeh
Molle says it was empty, it MUST be true...and he has no reason to lie, right?
1/10...took you too long to come up with some propaganda excuse
Why do people always reply straight away after reading the opening post but none of the replies? Read the reply directly above yours and then think about what it means.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:48:00 -
[346]
Originally by: NATMav
Screenshot 4 is 2 minutes out of sync with the other 3 that show both EvE Time and Manufacturing time remaining.
Not damning by any means, but suspicious nonetheless.
EVE time is really badly synced from my experience... it is randomly up to like 4 minutes off from the real time
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:48:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: NATMav
Screenshot 4 is 2 minutes out of sync with the other 3 that show both EvE Time and Manufacturing time remaining.
Not damning by any means, but suspicious nonetheless.
EVE time is really badly synced from my experience... it is randomly up to like 4 minutes off from the real time
I heard that.
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csebal
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:50:00 -
[348]
Originally by: bigfatbird
Hmm you need this long to come up with that tale?
Dude you are defenitely getting old.
Well, the announcement had to wait until the titan is either really or supposedly completed.
Im not sure if it was destroyed, or in fact completed. Haven't seen any hard evidence to support any of the two claims.
One thing is sure though. The post from molle is the most worthless one i've seen until this point. It's basically the same post he would have made in any of the two scenarios.
Why? Because BOB wins more by claiming that the Titan survived, than it would win by confirming its destruction. The moral implications of a failed strike are worth a lot more strategically than a 'hidden' titan would be, which they would uncover soon enough anyway - if its still alive.
So all in one.. congrats on the political play, as in that this is a win-win situation for BOB.
On the military side.. believe what you want.. im sure the coalition guys will have nightmares over because of thread from now on. :roll:
Arguing on whether or not the titan has survived is as pointless as it can be. Period. Bobbits believe what THEY want, and anti-bobbits have THEIR own version.
The show ain't over until the fat lady sings. Keep that in mind, as said lady is not even on the stage yet.
My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe.
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R'adeh
Gallente
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:51:00 -
[349]
Edited by: R''adeh on 02/04/2007 20:49:16
Originally by: Hastabum
Originally by: R'adeh
Molle says it was empty, it MUST be true...and he has no reason to lie, right?
1/10...took you too long to come up with some propaganda excuse
Why do people always reply straight away after reading the opening post but none of the replies? Read the reply directly above yours and then think about what it means.
So you think he was scared the coalition would come back and risk heavy losses again for a single MS...riiiiight, makes perfect sense
Or because he wanted a "yay, we have another Aeon" message to the "there was no Titan" message in order to impress us with the completion of a MS? (only Waagaa dreams of Aeons at night, real men fly Minmatar...or Gallente if they like easy-mode)
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bigfatbird
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:57:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Dalanoria
Be it propaganda or not,me thinks the coalition needs new fleet commanders.
BOB+Friends are taking a fraction of the losses compared to the North in terms of isk lost.Eventualy you'll run out of resources to replace your fleets.
I hope the day never comes where its a all blue map.But it seems its entirely practical with the decisions being made by Northern FC's...
And I think that if you are in a one man corp that doesnt belongs to the coalition you should just shut the **** up about our FC`s.
OR
You could just log in the right char and air your opinions with your main.
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Malar
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:58:00 -
[351]
Quote:
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Originally by: Hastabum
Originally by: R'adeh
Molle says it was empty, it MUST be true...and he has no reason to lie, right?
1/10...took you too long to come up with some propaganda excuse
Why do people always reply straight away after reading the opening post but none of the replies? Read the reply directly above yours and then think about what it means.
People might not have the time or the desire to read through 15 pages of fanboi / hater comments to post their opinion of the original post. Not to mention, that by the time they are through with the 15, they
a) die from brain hemmorage
b) are faced with another 5 pages or so, after which they are faced with another 2, then an extra one, and if they survive they can tell to have spent an hour of their day on reading "i told you so"s.
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Hastabum
Gallente
Hastabum Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:59:00 -
[352]
Originally by: R'adeh
Originally by: Hastabum
Originally by: R'adeh
Molle says it was empty, it MUST be true...and he has no reason to lie, right?
1/10...took you too long to come up with some propaganda excuse
Why do people always reply straight away after reading the opening post but none of the replies? Read the reply directly above yours and then think about what it means.
So you think he was scared the coalition would come back and risk heavy losses again for a single MS...riiiiight, makes perfect sense
Since when is killing a MS in production not a tempting target? 30b market value and 3b POS.
Showing the newly completed Aeon + telling they hit the wrong POS > Telling they hit the wrong POS + risking 30bil.
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Blue Stratos
Amarr
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:03:00 -
[353]
LOL @ the northerners posting here
You fell for a trap, it was the same kind of trap we used on ASCN and they fell for it to.
You need to think before u go flexing your mucles, the POS was not building a thing, and now u lsot 57 dreads which CANNOT be replaced overnight.
I cant wait for this coaltion to fall and for us to be stood on the ash pile cheering
Where coming for you....
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:03:00 -
[354]
Originally by: Baymm
Edited by: Baymm on 02/04/2007 20:02:25
Stroking Bob?
If D2 or someone in the Coalition could offer any evidence that they killed a titan, I imagine most everyone would say "good job". But they haven't offered any proof at all. Bob has offered evidence to support their claim and the evidence is pretty convincing that other coalition pilots are agreeing.
Instead of maligning people as "stroking Bob", maybe you should call on the Coalition to produce the evidence that there was a titan in that POS. Surely, they had to have some belief it was there, no? Well, what evidence convinced them to make this attack?
Ok lets see here you want the coalition to tell you (an enemy) what evidence the had and how they came to their conclusions, Ok at the same time do you want them to release the passwords to all the POS or maybe just institute you as a Director in all of their corps. Jesus get real man.
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Twoside
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:06:00 -
[355]
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Baymm
Shadow Gypsies
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:07:00 -
[356]
Originally by: darkfuntime
Ahhh a april fools joke that was really funny.Two Cap poses in one system.Molle tell a new joke so i can laugh again.
Jokes, you say? How about this one:
Old Mother D2 went to the cupboard,
To get her poor doggie a bone.
But when she bent over, SirMolle took over,
And gave her .........
Well, I seem to have forgotten the ending.
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Shadow Gypsies
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Inthemix
Division Solaris
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:08:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Hastabum
A: "Hey, here's our proof: do you really think we would lose 50 capitals over a hunch?
Yeah
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monkeyduck
Mithril Inc
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:08:00 -
[358]
The only person who can answer what actually happened is CCP. Pictures as proof on either side is laughable, and even in this day of technology videos are easily edited (terror shield, anyone?). Both sides will have to believe what they want - of course both sides are going to try to play it out that their side won no matter what actually did happen... seriously why wouldn't they?
Days to concoct the evil plan as a smack to the face to the Coalition (as it was intended), knowing that no one would believe him with no proof which was included much later... He even took time to edit the cute little banner. Truth cannot be determined in this, or any other thread. However, the intent of the original post comes at a surprisingly subpar level given the time and intent. Well calculated with the needed 'Oomph!' to really give it to us would have included your wonderful story supplemented instantaneously with your proof. Take the extra day next time, please.
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R'adeh
Gallente
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:11:00 -
[359]
Originally by: Hastabum
Originally by: R'adeh
Originally by: Hastabum
Originally by: R'adeh
Molle says it was empty, it MUST be true...and he has no reason to lie, right?
1/10...took you too long to come up with some propaganda excuse
Why do people always reply straight away after reading the opening post but none of the replies? Read the reply directly above yours and then think about what it means.
So you think he was scared the coalition would come back and risk heavy losses again for a single MS...riiiiight, makes perfect sense
Since when is killing a MS in production not a tempting target? 30b market value and 3b POS.
Showing the newly completed Aeon + telling they hit the wrong POS > Telling they hit the wrong POS + risking 30bil.
It boils down to the fact, that no one can prove if there was a titan or not. Molle would never admit if there was a titan, and the coalition will never acknowledge that there wasn't, because that would suck (a bit). Fact remains that the POS assault was met with heavy resistance from BoB's side...and no, I don't think a MS justifies another full scale attack on that other POS if we can expect the same resistance. If that attack deprived BoB of a third titan, it was totally worth it...because three titans would be pretty evil.
By the way: Could you PLEASE at least post with you're main. You're a 1-day old char in a 1-man corp dude. Judging from you're post we all know which side you're on, and no 1-day old main can have a real opinion on this conflict. Hastabum Corp is just one of the many new corps contracted by BoB 'n pets in order to take over their forum posting. Don't be lazy, post yourself
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:12:00 -
[360]
Originally by: Blue Stratos
LOL @ the northerners posting here
You fell for a trap, it was the same kind of trap we used on ASCN and they fell for it to.
You need to think before u go flexing your mucles, the POS was not building a thing, and now u lsot 57 dreads which CANNOT be replaced overnight.
I cant wait for this coaltion to fall and for us to be stood on the ash pile cheering
Where coming for you....
MAybe if you got yer number right it would be impressive. Lets see it have gone for 43 dreads at one point to 48 dreads to 50 dreads not to 55 dreads. I dont have the time to look at all the KB so lets just cll in an even 100 dreads plus their titan plus 300 faction fitted BS.
Their that should hold you for the next 3-4 pages of this thread.
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Akoudoulos
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:12:00 -
[361]
Yes of course there was no Titan and no loss
Thats why you repped the tower and tried to kill the cynos, your original plan was to kill our capital fleet right? i wonder why you didn't want em in the system, since it was your plan to kill em :S
Bad propaganda, only took you a week to think what to say just to look good and still your tale fails to make sense
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bigfatbird
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:13:00 -
[362]
Originally by: D1ck Jones
Originally by: bigfatbird
Hmm you need this long to come up with that tale?
Dude you are defenitely getting old.
seems you are trying to hard to believe that your weren't played by bob
Me trying hard? Why?
Just because you dont like the one freaking reply I posted in this retarded thread?
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:15:00 -
[363]
Edited by: Victor Vision on 02/04/2007 21:14:44
Originally by: dirtystockbird
Originally by: Nez Perces
Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/04/2007 17:23:47
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Before fight:
First shipyard - empty.
Second shipyard - in build.
After fight:
One shipyard remains - building (BoB perspective)
One shipyard remains - building (Coalition perspective)
Builder's screens:
Day after battle - one shipyard left.
My jobs - Aeon Blueprint.
I'm told there will be fraps posted shortly for the unbelievers.
Well I'm no photoshop expert but they look genuine to me.
...
There are a lot of people that even when you show them undeniable proof...
Screenshots can be used to convince people of something if they chose to fall for it, but they are not valid proof of anything.
Well done photoshops are not proveable as fake.
If a screenshot can not be proven to be fake, it does not mean it has to be true.
Examples of Screenshots that can not be proven as fakes, but one is a fake:
The station in Litom has no jobs running -> Proof 1
vs
The station in Liton has 5 jobs running -> Proof 2
In the end it is up to the audience to choose what they want to believe, but no certain proof of anything has been provided in this thread.
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:15:00 -
[364]
Edited by: Juha85 on 02/04/2007 21:14:45
Originally by: Akoudoulos
Yes of course there was no Titan and no loss
Thats why you repped the tower and tried to kill the cynos, your original plan was to kill our capital fleet right? i wonder why you didn't want em in the system, since it was your plan to kill em :S
Bad propaganda, only took you a week to think what to say just to look good and still your tale fails to make sense
Umm.. maybe the reason for killing the cynos was to have LESS capital ships in the system at once..
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:19:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: Akoudoulos
Yes of course there was no Titan and no loss
Thats why you repped the tower and tried to kill the cynos, your original plan was to kill our capital fleet right? i wonder why you didn't want em in the system, since it was your plan to kill em :S
Bad propaganda, only took you a week to think what to say just to look good and still your tale fails to make sense
Umm.. maybe the reason for killing the cynos was to have LESS capital ships in the ship at once..
\o/
...erm, no wait. One more spin, anyone?
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Happster
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:19:00 -
[366]
If anything, the OP reminds me of the Iraq minister who claimed there were no enemy troops in iraq, and at same time the american tanks were rolling in behind his back...
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:21:00 -
[367]
Edited by: Boliknar on 02/04/2007 21:18:15
Originally by: Juha85
Edited by: Juha85 on 02/04/2007 21:14:45
Originally by: Akoudoulos
Yes of course there was no Titan and no loss
Thats why you repped the tower and tried to kill the cynos, your original plan was to kill our capital fleet right? i wonder why you didn't want em in the system, since it was your plan to kill em :S
Bad propaganda, only took you a week to think what to say just to look good and still your tale fails to make sense
Umm.. maybe the reason for killing the cynos was to have LESS capital ships in the system at once..
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But i thought the trap was to kill all of the capital ships? If that was truely the goal why wouldnt you want all the caps ships in there?
Oh and Btw I am 362nd. Not that is means anything
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dastommy79
Artic Blue
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:24:00 -
[368]
Originally by: Blue Stratos
LOL @ the northerners posting here
You fell for a trap, it was the same kind of trap we used on ASCN and they fell for it to.
You need to think before u go flexing your mucles, the POS was not building a thing, and now u lsot 57 dreads which CANNOT be replaced overnight.
I cant wait for this coaltion to fall and for us to be stood on the ash pile cheering
Where coming for you....
um its spelled WE're comming for you................
and lol at threats from xelas
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Permayla Diota
Minmatar
Tech 2 Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:24:00 -
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Contrary to what a lot of the coalition pilots in this thread believe, I expect Bob want you to keep thinking there was a titan in there, yep they want you to have absolute confidence in your intel, your command, and your fight to victory.
I imagine it makes all there giggling that much sweeter when down the road your sitting there wondering wtf happened.
No one likes to admit they ever got played, that someone else in a imaginary game world just "might" be better at it than they are or did in fact "pwn" them on a certain day. I know I hate losing when I play. If I didnt then whats the point of playing to begin with ?
The difference is admitting you got pwnerized, laugh it off congratulate the one who did it like a grownup and LEARN FROM IT :) Reading these forums I get the sense a lot of poster would sooner bust a blood vessel and stroke out than treat this as what it is. A GAME.
Whatever happened to GL HF anyway ?
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Baymm
Shadow Gypsies
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:29:00 -
[370]
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: Baymm
Edited by: Baymm on 02/04/2007 20:02:25
Stroking Bob?
If D2 or someone in the Coalition could offer any evidence that they killed a titan, I imagine most everyone would say "good job". But they haven't offered any proof at all. Bob has offered evidence to support their claim and the evidence is pretty convincing that other coalition pilots are agreeing.
Instead of maligning people as "stroking Bob", maybe you should call on the Coalition to produce the evidence that there was a titan in that POS. Surely, they had to have some belief it was there, no? Well, what evidence convinced them to make this attack?
Ok lets see here you want the coalition to tell you (an enemy) what evidence the had and how they came to their conclusions, Ok at the same time do you want them to release the passwords to all the POS or maybe just institute you as a Director in all of their corps. Jesus get real man.
Hmmm, the passwords and instituting me as director wouldn't really help solve the lack of evidence that the coalitiion has shown with respect to this issue. I would think they would have some evidence that could be made public. When they learned of the alleged titan, how long they were planning, etc. Come on, you don't want Joe Eve Public to think the coalition jumped an enormous cap fleet to hit a POS where they weren't certain it had a titan, right?
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Shadow Gypsies
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FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Akov Stohs on 02/04/2007 21:27:44
Originally by: darkfuntime
Ahhh a april fools joke that was really funny.Two Cap poses in one system.Molle tell a new joke so i can laugh again.
D2 have more then 2 in one system :]
edit: typo
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Gallente
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:32:00 -
[372]
Originally by: Permayla Diota
Contrary to what a lot of the coalition pilots in this thread believe, I expect Bob want you to keep thinking there was a titan in there, yep they want you to have absolute confidence in your intel, your command, and your fight to victory.
I imagine it makes all there giggling that much sweeter when down the road your sitting there wondering wtf happened.
No one likes to admit they ever got played, that someone else in a imaginary game world just "might" be better at it than they are or did in fact "pwn" them on a certain day. I know I hate losing when I play. If I didnt then whats the point of playing to begin with ?
The difference is admitting you got pwnerized, laugh it off congratulate the one who did it like a grownup and LEARN FROM IT :) Reading these forums I get the sense a lot of poster would sooner bust a blood vessel and stroke out than treat this as what it is. A GAME.
Whatever happened to GL HF anyway ?
What you wrote counts for both sides though. So if BoB lost a titan when that POS got destroyed, according to you, they should just admit it and laugh it off...and ofc would do so. Same goes for the coalition, if there wasn't a titan, they should just congratulate BoB and move on. Now, which side showed indisputable proof...right, no side of this conflict did. And unless CCP comes out with a statement (which I doubt they will), we'll never know for sure.
If you accept Molle's post as indisputable proof, well
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Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:32:00 -
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Ok here you are two interesting bits from Molle's post:
"The first attempt at a kill on 2.1, was blocked out totally, as the coalition never managed to get a fleet into the system. We closed down the routes properly, and by the time they were anywhere near the POS had been healed."
and
"Our plans this time differed from the last time. We left openings, so that we could plan where they would arrive, and left only one option open - to jump bridge all ships in and to cyno directly in."
So way BoB HC changed thier plan this time? Why thier didn't cloesed down routes as few times before? Why they alowed half of Coalitions capitals to jump in? Interestig questions isn't it ?
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Akov Stohs
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:33:00 -
[374]
ps: gl hf
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Agmar
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:41:00 -
[375]
fofofofofofo
Grats BoB... was a pleasure to be there!
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:56:00 -
[376]
Evil plans are nice.
The Mother of all (so far concieved) Evil plans locking tight?
Unimaginable pleasure^6.
And you know what the best thing about this is?
Even IF this wasnt true it would STILL be the greatest plan ever.
Think big and you will see it. Its so beutiful it almost makes me misty.
Cheers,
Lowa
ps. I know where the missing Titan BPO is. In my PANTS! The standard of many modern fallos.
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Boci
The Legion.
Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:00:00 -
[377]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Nathin Ames
You want the proof.....
Wait till BoB's newest AEON kills you...
Would that be proof enough or do we need to tatoo it on your head?
To be fair, the contents of the 'other' POS have absolutely no effect on the contents of the one which was destroyed. I'm not even sure why it is being mentioned. A thought diversion, perhaps.
It does prove the contents of the other POS. Screenshots of before AND after the destruction show only 1 manufacturing job taking place at a POS, anywhere in space, by that corporation. Simple elimination will show you that if a POS died, and the ONLY manufacturing job in existance anywhere in space at any POS that corporation owns is still ticking away after said the Coalition target was destroyed, then the destroyed POS could not be the one that was doing the producing, and was thus...*gasp* Empty.
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:08:00 -
[378]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: scabbsssjr
Hi,
I have not read more than molle's post so let me geuss what the past 15 pages are about.
BOB: Okay this is 04-02-07, its not a joke, it was empty, it was all a big trap.
Coaltion: LIERZZ, it was a titan, see you admitted it on april fools day. We will believe its a titan or MS so we feel jusitifed.
If I am wrong about the past pages, pls inform and I will edit accordingly.
Its about right except that half way through the Coalition switches into "Those screenies are fake and so is the fraps, anyone can fake it! There was a titan afterall!"
Joshua, I can not see anyone saying the fraps is fake.
But the fraps only shows that the remaining POS was producing a mothership, not that the destroyed POS was not producing a Titan.
If the whole action at F-TE1T was realy a trap by BoB, then why did noone fraps the empty capital yards before they were destroyed to prove later they were empty?
Screenshots can be easily faked and it must have been clear to BoB that people would not accept these as proof.
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Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:12:00 -
[379]
Originally by: Victor Vision
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: scabbsssjr
Hi,
I have not read more than molle's post so let me geuss what the past 15 pages are about.
BOB: Okay this is 04-02-07, its not a joke, it was empty, it was all a big trap.
Coaltion: LIERZZ, it was a titan, see you admitted it on april fools day. We will believe its a titan or MS so we feel jusitifed.
If I am wrong about the past pages, pls inform and I will edit accordingly.
Its about right except that half way through the Coalition switches into "Those screenies are fake and so is the fraps, anyone can fake it! There was a titan afterall!"
Joshua, I can not see anyone saying the fraps is fake.
But the fraps only shows that the remaining POS was producing a mothership, not that the destroyed POS was not producing a Titan.
If the whole action at F-TE1T was realy a trap by BoB, then why did noone fraps the empty capital yards before they were destroyed to prove later they were empty?
Screenshots can be easily faked and it must have been clear to BoB that people would not accept these as proof.
Coalition members and higherups have already confirmed both here and on other forums that only one pos in F-T was building. If one spit a mothership out this leaves the destroyed one only to be empty.
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Happy Hungry Hippos
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:26:00 -
[380]
Edited by: Natia on 02/04/2007 22:25:53
See they needed this long not only to come up with this marvelous piece of propoganda like damage control but also to await the petition response from CCP. The timing fits.
Day 0 - OH crap we lost baby Titan, Petition CCP Lag caused us to lose it
Day 1- No reply ....start brainstorming plan
Day 2- Crap Our Devs cant get involved and denied Petition onto the test server to take some pics
Day 3- Draft propoganda, show a mothership coming out of another POS (which has NO bearing on what the other POS had) take some screenshots of an empty POS and/or photoshop some pics.
Hell if they didnt have to wait for their Devs to affirm they could not reimburse it we would have seen this before the weekend.
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hinch
Gallente
Furious Angels
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:31:00 -
[381]
Originally by: Natia
Edited by: Natia on 02/04/2007 22:25:53
See they needed this long not only to come up with this marvelous piece of propoganda like damage control but also to await the petition response from CCP. The timing fits.
Day 0 - OH crap we lost baby Titan, Petition CCP Lag caused us to lose it
Day 1- No reply ....start brainstorming plan
Day 2- Crap Our Devs cant get involved and denied Petition onto the test server to take some pics
Day 3- Draft propoganda, show a mothership coming out of another POS (which has NO bearing on what the other POS had) take some screenshots of an empty POS and/or photoshop some pics.
Hell if they didnt have to wait for their Devs to affirm they could not reimburse it we would have seen this before the weekend.
retard
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Sun Ra
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:33:00 -
[382]
KEEP TELLING YOURSELF IT WAS WORTH IT
ATUF RIP - 'plz stop guys it's xmas' |
Admiral Pieg
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:35:00 -
[383]
Originally by: Happster
If anything, the OP reminds me of the Iraq minister who claimed there were no enemy troops in iraq, and at same time the american tanks were rolling in behind his back...
thats a pretty horrible analogy.. unless all the tanks died in the process of rolling in, in which case it would be extremely accurate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:39:00 -
[384]
My feeling on this is:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/E/j/baghdadbob_denial.jpg
Never believe anything Molle says. Molle really didn't offer any proof there wasnt a titan there.
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Refused.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:42:00 -
[385]
Originally by: snerdly
My feeling on this is:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/E/j/baghdadbob_denial.jpg
Never believe anything Molle says. Molle really didn't offer any proof there wasnt a titan there.
Nevermind the fact that there was only one job in the system and that continued after the POS blew up.
Stop making uninformed assumptions.
Originally by: omeega
PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:44:00 -
[386]
Edited by: Victor Vision on 02/04/2007 22:41:03
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Victor Vision
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: scabbsssjr
Hi,
I have not read more than molle's post so let me geuss what the past 15 pages are about.
BOB: Okay this is 04-02-07, its not a joke, it was empty, it was all a big trap.
Coaltion: LIERZZ, it was a titan, see you admitted it on april fools day. We will believe its a titan or MS so we feel jusitifed...
Its about right except that half way through the Coalition switches into "Those screenies are fake and so is the fraps, anyone can fake it! There was a titan afterall!"
Joshua, I can not see anyone saying the fraps is fake.
But the fraps only shows that the remaining POS was producing a mothership, not that the destroyed POS was not producing a Titan.
If the whole action at F-TE1T was realy a trap by BoB, then why did noone fraps the empty capital yards before they were destroyed to prove later they were empty?
Screenshots can be easily faked and it must have been clear to BoB that people would not accept these as proof.
Coalition members and higherups have already confirmed both here and on other forums that only one pos in F-T was building. If one spit a mothership out this leaves the destroyed one only to be empty.
Where? Where have coalition members or higherups confirmed that only one of the two yards was producing anything?
Link would be nice.
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Baymm
Shadow Gypsies
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:45:00 -
[387]
Originally by: snerdly
My feeling on this is:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/E/j/baghdadbob_denial.jpg
Never believe anything Molle says. Molle really didn't offer any proof there wasnt a titan there.
Yet, we are suppose to believe everything from someone named "Snerdly"?
I have no idea what was there, but Molle has offered more evidence than everyone else. /shrug
Baymm
Shadow Gypsies
Rise |
Kcel Chim
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:49:00 -
[388]
Originally by: Victor Vision
Where? Where have coalition members or higherups confirmed that only one of the two yards was producing anything?
EvilThug confirmed it in one of the threads on Coad.
Hippoking confirmed it on SHC-Forums and also the Aeon launch.
Goons confirmed it on their own Forums (for those of us who can read there)
So far weve not seen a single high profile Coalition leader to actually put his weight behind the claims of a killed titan or anything else, neither have we seen proof. Not even pics or anything which makes Molles story abit more believeable.
Also various "bob forces" posters stated they were informed of the pos beeing a setup beforehand which indicates that this story is not just born after the pos went to pieces.
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Ione Hunt
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:52:00 -
[389]
Originally by: Sun Ra
KEEP TELLING YOURSELF IT WAS WORTH IT
Dude, that picture doesn't belong on forums where minors have access to. And that's not even considering that it's related to religion, something which doesn't belong on these boards either. (And no, I'm not religious, so it's not me taking offense...but I know some will)
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Kane Jacobs
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:58:00 -
[390]
Imagine Nelson from the Simpsons going...
HA-HA
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snerdly
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:59:00 -
[391]
Actually, I really don't know either way, but that picture made me laugh.
so :|
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:07:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Blue Stratos
yay bob
BoB must be having a special this week.
Every Pet/Fanboy who makes a pro-BoB post on these forums gets a discount on next months rent.
Here's a tip, Blue Trollboy. Gloat about something your alliance did. Not something your landlord did.
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Karrimdra
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:15:00 -
[393]
Originally by: Marko Zhang
Originally by: Blue Stratos
yay bob
BoB must be having a special this week.
Every Pet/Fanboy who makes a pro-BoB post on these forums gets a discount on next months rent.
Here's a tip, Blue Trollboy. Gloat about something your alliance did. Not something your landlord did.
says the alt poster of doom.
From nothing to something in just one corp!
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:16:00 -
[394]
Originally by: Marko Zhang
Here's a tip, Blue Trollboy. Gloat about something your alliance did. Not something your landlord did.
You mean like this? Though to be fair, I don't know if Blue had joined by then or not.
On topic, hats off to Bob tbh. Again.
/Ben
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:22:00 -
[395]
Edited by: Victor Vision on 02/04/2007 23:26:35
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Victor Vision
Where? Where have coalition members or higherups confirmed that only one of the two yards was producing anything?
EvilThug confirmed it in one of the threads on Coad.
Hippoking confirmed it on SHC-Forums and also the Aeon launch.
Goons confirmed it on their own Forums (for those of us who can read there)
So far weve not seen a single high profile Coalition leader to actually put his weight behind the claims of a killed titan or anything else, neither have we seen proof. Not even pics or anything which makes Molles story abit more believeable.
Also various "bob forces" posters stated they were informed of the pos beeing a setup beforehand which indicates that this story is not just born after the pos went to pieces.
Ok, I checked up on your claims.
EvilThug did not post this on Caod so your claim in that aspect is incorrect.
But Hippo did post it on SHC, like you said.
Convincing. Seems the destroyed shipyards were indeed empty.
Congratulations on that.
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Mutant
UA Industry
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:26:00 -
[396]
The dry facts:
1) Devs make the restriction on quantity of the pilots in system for node crush prevention;
2) From 160 cap ships of a coalition only ~20 could be loaded and be ready to fight near POS 6-1;
3) This server does not work with such battles and any mass fight is a lottery.
All involved knows what really happened and have made for itself conclusions...
Kiss yours ego
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Cally Callisto
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:33:00 -
[397]
BoB's ultimate plan for domination appeares to be take over EvE while you all troll the forums.
/0\ 14 pages?
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Obed
Imperial Logistics
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:40:00 -
[398]
Originally by: Victor Vision
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: scabbsssjr
Hi,
I have not read more than molle's post so let me geuss what the past 15 pages are about.
BOB: Okay this is 04-02-07, its not a joke, it was empty, it was all a big trap.
Coaltion: LIERZZ, it was a titan, see you admitted it on april fools day. We will believe its a titan or MS so we feel jusitifed.
If I am wrong about the past pages, pls inform and I will edit accordingly.
Its about right except that half way through the Coalition switches into "Those screenies are fake and so is the fraps, anyone can fake it! There was a titan afterall!"
Joshua, I can not see anyone saying the fraps is fake.
But the fraps only shows that the remaining POS was producing a mothership, not that the destroyed POS was not producing a Titan.
If the whole action at F-TE1T was realy a trap by BoB, then why did noone fraps the empty capital yards before they were destroyed to prove later they were empty?
Screenshots can be easily faked and it must have been clear to BoB that people would not accept these as proof.
Apologies in advance for a non-combatant expressing an opinion, but Victor makes a good point In my opinion Molle's post is genius whether a titan was destroyed (point 1) or not (point 2).
Point 1: it's an excellent propaganda post with the aim of keeping morale high on the allies side, while casting doubt on whether the coalition actually achieved anything other than lose ~50 dreds. The truth is that it's nothing more than a Big Lie, and in telling it Molle has pulled the wool over most peoples eyes, successfully masking the loss of a titan, and therefore snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.
Point 2: it's a propaganda post based mostly on fact (assuming that everyone spins things a little to make stories more interesting), the effects on morale are the same as point 1, but the allies are much better off on the isk front as they didn't lose any capitals (if I read things correctly). It brings the coalition down to earth with a bump, and puts them on the defensive as their claims of victory have been placed into so much doubt that nobody really believes them.
Again, in my opinion, there isn't really enough evidence to convince me that Molle's thread is a point 2 post. Victor makes good comments about the lack of FRAPS to tell the story, and if I had been plotting this than I'd be sure to have FRAPSED everything from the start so that when I came to the forums with great pomp and fanfare to announce the successful execution of the plot, it would be both a hard-hitting and decisive. For example there would be a clear thread title and links to FRAPS in the first post (i.e. non-tinfoil) to ensure that the burden-of-proof was so high that all but the most devoted (fanatical?) of the coalition would admit they lost the battle.
Of course there may not have been enough time to do this, and it's always easy to think of these things in hindsight, but imagine if it was a point 1 post though... the scale of the deception would be massive!
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Rebellion
Caldari
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:41:00 -
[399]
Edited by: Rebellion on 02/04/2007 23:41:19
Come on people. Yesterday Molle was saying that a titan was killed, and everyone was so convinced that it was false. Today he's saying that it was false, and now you're convinced that it was true.
So believe what you will, I guess. Okay, it was a Titan, if we say it enough times, it will become true.
At any rate, if I was the coalition (which I am not), I would feel honored that BoB had set up such an elaborate plan in order to welcome me to Delve. Such a thing was never done before in EVE. This is another part of history, and you have been fortunate to have been in it.
Such is the depth of our love for you. Need I remind people that EVOL is an anagam of LOVE?
Edit:
I forgot this. Tune in for the next announcements of Titans being built in Delve. Be there or be square.
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Kingdoc
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:45:00 -
[400]
Originally by: Marko Zhang
Originally by: Blue Stratos
yay bob
BoB must be having a special this week.
Every Pet/Fanboy who makes a pro-BoB post on these forums gets a discount on next months rent.
Here's a tip, Blue Trollboy. Gloat about something your alliance did. Not something your landlord did.
Like the fact the no matter how hard the collation tries they canÆt get a foothold in FIX space...
Or when [GUN] destroyed 2 POS's the collation had put in there space... 2 in the same week that is?
Or any of the other engagements I remember the "pets" came out the winners of when I lived in Q?
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Kespii
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:57:00 -
[401]
Originally by: monkeyduck
The only person who can answer what actually happened is CCP. Pictures as proof on either side is laughable, and even in this day of technology videos are easily edited (terror shield, anyone?). Both sides will have to believe what they want - of course both sides are going to try to play it out that their side won no matter what actually did happen... seriously why wouldn't they?
Days to concoct the evil plan as a smack to the face to the Coalition (as it was intended), knowing that no one would believe him with no proof which was included much later... He even took time to edit the cute little banner. Truth cannot be determined in this, or any other thread. However, the intent of the original post comes at a surprisingly subpar level given the time and intent. Well calculated with the needed 'Oomph!' to really give it to us would have included your wonderful story supplemented instantaneously with your proof. Take the extra day next time, please.
If you believe that than you must believe that the Iranians really didnt capture those British soldiers and all the video confessions were edited by some kind of cabal
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Crimsonjade
Comanche Nation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:57:00 -
[402]
priceless comedy gold!
i can hear the DOH! now in Coalition HQ
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Kespii
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:03:00 -
[403]
You people are fools: If you really think that you can fake an eve fraps, than why dont you prove it? Try and fake an eve fraps
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Zeebakes
Caldari
Bellum Aeternus
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:23:00 -
[404]
/me pulls his Tinfoil hat tighter over his head!
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Kewa2
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:23:00 -
[405]
Originally by: Mutant
The dry facts:
1) Devs make the restriction on quantity of the pilots in system for node crush prevention;
2) From 160 cap ships of a coalition only ~20 could be loaded and be ready to fight near POS 6-1;
3) This server does not work with such battles and any mass fight is a lottery.
All involved knows what really happened and have made for itself conclusions...
Kiss yours ego
Do you have any proof for devs capping system? If you have 200-300 people in F-T system and then u try to jump 200 dreads, jump bridge another 200-300 people and also 200-300 people from surrounding systems without lag, then I will have to ask you what kind of noobie you are? Your leadership failed and thatÆs it.
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Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:24:00 -
[406]
Originally by: Obed
...
Apologies in advance for a non-combatant expressing an opinion, but Victor makes a good point In my opinion Molle's post is genius whether a titan was destroyed (point 1) or not (point 2).
Point 1: it's an excellent propaganda post with the aim of keeping morale high on the allies side, while casting doubt on whether the coalition actually achieved anything other than lose ~50 dreds. The truth is that it's nothing more than a Big Lie, and in telling it Molle has pulled the wool over most peoples eyes, successfully masking the loss of a titan, and therefore snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.
Point 2: it's a propaganda post based mostly on fact (assuming that everyone spins things a little to make stories more interesting), the effects on morale are the same as point 1, but the allies are much better off on the isk front as they didn't lose any capitals (if I read things correctly). It brings the coalition down to earth with a bump, and puts them on the defensive as their claims of victory have been placed into so much doubt that nobody really believes them.
Again, in my opinion, there isn't really enough evidence to convince me that Molle's thread is a point 2 post. Victor makes good comments about the lack of FRAPS to tell the story, and if I had been plotting this than I'd be sure to have FRAPSED everything from the start so that when I came to the forums with great pomp and fanfare to announce the successful execution of the plot, it would be both a hard-hitting and decisive. For example there would be a clear thread title and links to FRAPS in the first post (i.e. non-tinfoil) to ensure that the burden-of-proof was so high that all but the most devoted (fanatical?) of the coalition would admit they lost the battle.
Of course there may not have been enough time to do this, and it's always easy to think of these things in hindsight, but imagine if it was a point 1 post though... the scale of the deception would be massive!
Edit: ops, just read this. Lol ah well it would have been a brilliant plot if point 1 were true! Congrats on a point 2 post though!
You act like BoB need a moral boost to continue this war. Have you been fallowing what has been going on? Coalition lost every battle so far. Why would BoB need morale boost? To fight? Have you heard of BoB? Do you know why they play the game?
IÆm sure BoB are putting up ship yards as we speak just to lured the coalition to them again. The question is will the coalition still have the will to put up their cap fleet on the line. IÆm sure BoB hopes that they do.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:36:00 -
[407]
Originally by: Moonlight Express
Coalition lost every battle so far. Why would BoB need morale boost? To fight? Have you heard of BoB? Do you know why they play the game?
err.. I have not been in every battle, but I can remember 2 at least where we destroyed the BOB fleets.
Sure they have had many victorys...but please, withdraw your tounge from Sir Molles dark special place.
Yes I have heard of them Two of their biggest victories did not involve any ingame skill...social engineering and knowledge of server limits.
Everytime we have fought BOB on equal terms, with equal ships...we have won, last engagement in the first 7mins we were 14 BS kills to 3 ahead...then they brought in 2 Titans and several MS. They came out on top, no complaints about using the Super Caps, but Moonlight, you know nada...
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Cheunger
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:39:00 -
[408]
lol...nice try with the empty pos stuff molle
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Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:43:00 -
[409]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Moonlight Express
Coalition lost every battle so far. Why would BoB need morale boost? To fight? Have you heard of BoB? Do you know why they play the game?
err.. I have not been in every battle, but I can remember 2 at least where we destroyed the BOB fleets.
Sure they have had many victorys...but please, withdraw your tounge from Sir Molles dark special place.
Yes I have heard of them Two of their biggest victories did not involve any ingame skill...social engineering and knowledge of server limits.
Everytime we have fought BOB on equal terms, with equal ships...we have won, last engagement in the first 7mins we were 14 BS kills to 3 ahead...then they brought in 2 Titans and several MS. They came out on top, no complaints about using the Super Caps, but Moonlight, you know nada...
I apologize, I admit, I do not know anything first hand. I just fallow BoBs kill board.. You might have won few battles, but overall, BoB is killing you guys. Sorry if the truth hurts.
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Kewa2
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:47:00 -
[410]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Moonlight Express
Coalition lost every battle so far. Why would BoB need morale boost? To fight? Have you heard of BoB? Do you know why they play the game?
err.. I have not been in every battle, but I can remember 2 at least where we destroyed the BOB fleets.
Sure they have had many victorys...but please, withdraw your tounge from Sir Molles dark special place.
Yes I have heard of them Two of their biggest victories did not involve any ingame skill...social engineering and knowledge of server limits.
Everytime we have fought BOB on equal terms, with equal ships...we have won, last engagement in the first 7mins we were 14 BS kills to 3 ahead...then they brought in 2 Titans and several MS. They came out on top, no complaints about using the Super Caps, but Moonlight, you know nada...
bla, bla, bla ... please show me one of your victorys? I think d2 becoming something like ASCN, just propaganda and lies
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:49:00 -
[411]
Originally by: Moonlight Express
I apologize, I admit, I do not know anything first hand. I just fallow BoBs kill board.. You might have won few battles, but overall, BoB is killing you guys. Sorry if the truth hurts.
Well I am glad you acknowledge the fact you are using third hand statistics and pressing F5 on a killboard
As for the truth hurting...you have no idea how much fun we are having.
This is why I log in...and that is true for the enemy fleet as well.
If only CCP would fix the stupid lag cr4p and useless node limits (cap at 700 my naked white ass...local never reached 500 )
o7
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Turin Shroud
Gallente
Fermentation Process
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:52:00 -
[412]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Everytime we have fought BOB on equal terms, with equal ships...we have won
last engagement in the first 7mins we were 14 BS kills to 3 ahead.
..then they brought in 2 Titans and several MS.
They came out on top
Looking at BoB KB it looks like if they did jump in 2 titans and motherships they didnt even use them as they arent on any kill mails. So seems you lost fair and square?
Whatever way you look at it you still LOST, you didnt WIN.
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Aaron Static
Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:54:00 -
[413]
Only thing the coalition lost was a little bit of morale.
If you think losing 50 dreads hurts them, you are sorely mistaken.
Come and kill another 50, and they will still be knocking on your door with 200 the next day.
Tick Tock.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:57:00 -
[414]
Originally by: Turin Shroud
Looking at BoB KB it looks like if they did jump in 2 titans and motherships they didnt even use them as they arent on any kill mails. So seems you lost fair and square?
Whatever way you look at it you still LOST, you didnt WIN.
Yep...and I guess thats all you do
Forum wars ftl...
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Acerios
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:59:00 -
[415]
O plz, any nub can look for 5 seconds and see how badly d2/friends are getting spanked like bad little puppies. LOL @ your two wins, there's been what....50-60 engagements?
Face it, coalition = bad at eve. You lose, log off
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Turin Shroud
Gallente
Fermentation Process
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Posted - 2007.04.03 01:00:00 -
[416]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Turin Shroud
Looking at BoB KB it looks like if they did jump in 2 titans and motherships they didnt even use them as they arent on any kill mails. So seems you lost fair and square?
Whatever way you look at it you still LOST, you didnt WIN.
Yep...and I guess thats all you do
Forum wars ftl...
OFC as D2 dont add most of their kills let alone losses
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 01:01:00 -
[417]
Originally by: Acerios
O plz, any nub can look for 5 seconds and see how badly d2/friends are getting spanked like bad little puppies. LOL @ your two wins, there's been what....50-60 engagements?
Face it, coalition = bad at eve. You lose, log off
...can I say snip
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Acerios
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Posted - 2007.04.03 01:03:00 -
[418]
awww, once again truth hitting you square in the sissypants, sorry for throwing the truth in your face again, but it seems your skulls are thick and you need to keep being told. BAD PUPPY BAD!
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 01:07:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Acerios
awww, once again truth hitting you square in the sissypants, sorry for throwing the truth in your face again, but it seems your skulls are thick and you need to keep being told. BAD PUPPY BAD!
Well before you get deleted troll boy..
http://killboard.eve-momentum.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=22965
668 kills to 49 losses...omg I am getting spanked...dont worry, I have logged of already
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Hitman396
Caldari
Asguard Security Service
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.03 01:14:00 -
[420]
Wow, nice job BoB
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Frances Ducoir
Academy of Decadence
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Posted - 2007.04.03 01:18:00 -
[421]
Edited by: Frances Ducoir on 03/04/2007 01:15:23
Edited by: Frances Ducoir on 03/04/2007 01:15:04
its always the same:
bob "wins" and all their "pets" celebrate it as their own victory although they would have been lost if BoB wouldn't have helped them.
Without bob you all would have been steamrolled to hell and back.
stop acting like infants adoringly watching their big brother lifting heavy weights.
i said it before: this propaganda is boring.
(yes you trolls are part of the propaganda machine!)
i want to read some good battle reports and not this crap which always occours in combination with a mysterious poster named molle.
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Mat'Kurba
Gallente
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.04.03 01:24:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Moonlight Express
Coalition lost every battle so far. Why would BoB need morale boost? To fight? Have you heard of BoB? Do you know why they play the game?
err.. I have not been in every battle, but I can remember 2 at least where we destroyed the BOB fleets.
Sure they have had many victorys...but please, withdraw your tounge from Sir Molles dark special place.
Yes I have heard of them Two of their biggest victories did not involve any ingame skill...social engineering and knowledge of server limits.
Everytime we have fought BOB on equal terms, with equal ships...we have won, last engagement in the first 7mins we were 14 BS kills to 3 ahead...then they brought in 2 Titans and several MS. They came out on top, no complaints about using the Super Caps, but Moonlight, you know nada...
Titan or not its easy to see BoB are winning when you look at the whiny dross posted by D2 members. Its quite spectacular how pathetic they have become. Not to mention delusional if this clownshoe is anything to go by.
Have a T2 tissue to go with you T2 tinfoil hat.
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Kewa2
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.04.03 01:30:00 -
[423]
Edited by: Kewa2 on 03/04/2007 01:28:38
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 03/04/2007 00:47:42
Originally by: Moonlight Express
I apologize, I admit, I do not know anything first hand. I just fallow BoBs kill board.. You might have won few battles, but overall, BoB is killing you guys. Sorry if the truth hurts.
Well I am glad you acknowledge the fact you are using third hand statistics and pressing F5 on a killboard
As for the truth hurting...you have no idea how much fun we are having.
This is why I log in...and that is true for the enemy fleet as well.
If only CCP would fix the stupid lag cr4p and useless node limits (cap at 700 my naked white ass...local never reached 500 )
o7
Edit: Oh god Kewa2...do I have to?
Do you not remember the unveiling of Emily that splatted the BOB fleet, or at the start of the war the RKK fleet that seriously underestimated us...
blah blah yourself
Oh and the countless roaming gangs where we ganked them...blah blah...look closer at the BOB killboard that you worship
DidnÆt u complaining how BoB using super capitals against you, and now you telling me how you splatted the BoB fleet with Emily. Im looking at your killboard and your efficiency really sucks. It is not the same when u attacking and loosing and when u defending and loosing. In past 2 months coalition didnÆt achieved anything. You are losing on your frontlines and you are losing in your backyard. When u losing all the time people start losing fate in you and your ability.
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Luso
Caldari
Nova Lusitania
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 01:32:00 -
[424]
Originally by: Kyguard
Nps, the isk that bob is paying for the MC equalled out the cap losses...
...hmmm, you dont pay attention and make stupid coments!
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:03:00 -
[425]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 03/04/2007 02:02:23
Originally by: Acerios
Oh, and grats on making it on this part of your board....so fitting
http://killboard.eve-momentum.com/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=8098&view=pilot_losses
ALL TIME LOSER FTW!
It goes with being all time killer
http://killboard.eve-momentum.com/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=8098&view=pilot_kills
Proves I post my losses...now go back under your bridge.
Those are not all time stats btw numpty. Acerios...grow some, I would love to see your stats.
Edit ..and Mat..I had some respect for Coin, but you just wiped it away with your T2 tissues
Keep up with the forum fighting boys...maybe we will give up some day
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Acerios
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:27:00 -
[426]
Edited by: Acerios on 03/04/2007 02:29:37
LOL, all time killer w/ 650ish kills, more proof of your alliance ineptness at pvp....btw..wtf do your single person stats have to do with the fact that bob is pwning you?
quick check of bob killboard.....you are right, you are singlehandedly bringing them to your knees. Im sure the 13 kills you have participated in since the beginning of the war have made you the all time top bob killer in this war, congrats!
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Malthros Zenobia
The Cold Wind Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:35:00 -
[427]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: scabbsssjr
Hi,
I have not read more than molle's post so let me geuss what the past 15 pages are about.
BOB: Okay this is 04-02-07, its not a joke, it was empty, it was all a big trap.
Coaltion: LIERZZ, it was a titan, see you admitted it on april fools day. We will believe its a titan or MS so we feel jusitifed.
If I am wrong about the past pages, pls inform and I will edit accordingly.
Its about right except that half way through the Coalition switches into "Those screenies are fake and so is the fraps, anyone can fake it! There was a titan afterall!"
Are these people forgetting that after the POS went down that the timer was still ticking, or did I get drunk this weekend and imagine those bits of info being posted here?
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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D75485
Underworld Zombies
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:35:00 -
[428]
LOL your to funny first you say it had a titan then a bit later you post this post.
ppl dont forget the first one http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=500299
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:37:00 -
[429]
Originally by: D75485
LOL your to funny first you say it had a titan then a bit later you post this post.
ppl dont forget the first one http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=500299
Check the date of that first post.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:40:00 -
[430]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 03/04/2007 02:39:22
Originally by: Acerios
Im sure the 13 kills you have participated in since the beginning of the war have made you the all time top bob killer in this war, congrats!
13 you say? BOB dont post their losses ...
Oh btw tomorrow you will be deleted. Maybe post with your main next time, and share your stats oh uber one
Bye babycakes
Edit: thats unfair to BOB saying they dont post losses...sorry, but I can assure you that I have killed more than 13 in this war Maybe want to include the allies in your figures
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Elle Fatalle
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:41:00 -
[431]
Originally by: D75485
LOL your to funny first you say it had a titan then a bit later you post this post.
ppl dont forget the first one http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=500299
omg :( more reading comprehension ftl
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Malthros Zenobia
The Cold Wind Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:42:00 -
[432]
Originally by: Kespii
Originally by: monkeyduck
The only person who can answer what actually happened is CCP. Pictures as proof on either side is laughable, and even in this day of technology videos are easily edited (terror shield, anyone?). Both sides will have to believe what they want - of course both sides are going to try to play it out that their side won no matter what actually did happen... seriously why wouldn't they?
Days to concoct the evil plan as a smack to the face to the Coalition (as it was intended), knowing that no one would believe him with no proof which was included much later... He even took time to edit the cute little banner. Truth cannot be determined in this, or any other thread. However, the intent of the original post comes at a surprisingly subpar level given the time and intent. Well calculated with the needed 'Oomph!' to really give it to us would have included your wonderful story supplemented instantaneously with your proof. Take the extra day next time, please.
If you believe that than you must believe that the Iranians really didnt capture those British soldiers and all the video confessions were edited by some kind of cabal
No, it'd be like believing those videos were the honest opinion of the soldiers, and that they really are being treated as well as they said.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Adam Weishaupt
Minmatar
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:45:00 -
[433]
Originally by: Auri Hella
Psychological warfare is awesome. Regardless of what happened, I don't really care, this is why I play this game
Precisely. I'd be just as happy to see D2, MM, whoever...pull something like this. Creative gameplay, even if there is a chance it's nothing but smoke and mirrors, is always fun and deserves praise. Without cleverness, all that remains is numbers and firepower, and then every battle is already a fait accompli and why should we bother to spend so much energy and time on this game? BOB, by first destroying ASCN and then pitting themselves against much of the universe, have placed themselves in a position where they are not only expected to be smarter and faster than their enemies, but they need to be. Depending on your perspective, that either lends credence to them planning something like this, or their pathological need to project an image of infinite complexity. I'd say it's mostly A, and probably a little of B as well. The way these forums treat them, they can't help but take advantage of the madness that surrounds them...
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Malthros Zenobia
The Cold Wind Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:46:00 -
[434]
Originally by: D75485
LOL your to funny first you say it had a titan then a bit later you post this post.
ppl dont forget the first one http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=500299
You might want to research 'April Fools'.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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crice
Caldari
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.03 03:42:00 -
[435]
Congrats.
crice
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Commander Nikolas
Gallente
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 04:00:00 -
[436]
Good job, BOB.
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Acerios
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Posted - 2007.04.03 04:14:00 -
[437]
Edited by: Acerios on 03/04/2007 04:15:02
Edited by: Acerios on 03/04/2007 04:11:11
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 03/04/2007 02:39:22
Originally by: Acerios
Im sure the 13 kills you have participated in since the beginning of the war have made you the all time top bob killer in this war, congrats!
13 you say? BOB dont post their losses ...
Oh btw tomorrow you will be deleted. Maybe post with your main next time, and share your stats oh uber one
Bye babycakes
your spam of "you will be deleted" just proves to me how much the truth gets under your skin, im sorry if you can't handle the fact that you lose at eve....and babycakes? something tells me you play eve in a pink thong.
As far as the "include everyone who you don't have set +" gibberish, you actually think i care enough about you to go through the trouble, you are simply my entertainment for the evening and i must say watching you get all wound up and defensive has been great fun, mission accomplished
just don't forget A: you are bad at eve (one link to tell the tale http://killboard.eve-d2.com/?a=campaigns) and B: your alliance will lose (refer to aforementioned linky)
Grats on making it onto my "griefed on forums" list
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Hamatitio
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.03 05:05:00 -
[438]
This thread lacked sexy sigs.
let me interject mine.
Hijack this |
Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.04.03 06:36:00 -
[439]
I don't believe for one minute it was empty.
I believe that if SirMolle had planned this as he claims, that surely they would have taken screenshots of it being empty prior to the attack so that they could post them afterwards. Indeed such pics would have been included in the original post if that were the case.
(Not to mention considering this thread contradicts what he says in his previous thread, April Fool's or not, you can't believe someone that is known for half truths)
If the Capital Shipyard that was destroyed, was indeed empty, it is most likely that just before its destruction someone aborted the construction in order to say it was empty.
The result though is the same, what was being constructed was destroyed, and all minerals with it.
(Note I have not yet read all 9 or so pages, and may amend this accordingly if I find some proof....which I highly doubt exists...)
Idea: Treaties
Idea: Jump Rigs |
VinceNoir
Amarr
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 07:08:00 -
[440]
Nicccccccccce
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PipoDeYoyo
12-Gauge
Kaos Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.03 07:08:00 -
[441]
Good job, D2
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 07:43:00 -
[442]
Remember when someone said in the original thread about F-T that the thread had reached an all time low for CAOD?
Then we got this thread...
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 07:44:00 -
[443]
Originally by: Kingdoc
Originally by: Marko Zhang
Originally by: Blue Stratos
yay bob
BoB must be having a special this week.
Every Pet/Fanboy who makes a pro-BoB post on these forums gets a discount on next months rent.
Here's a tip, Blue Trollboy. Gloat about something your alliance did. Not something your landlord did.
Like the fact the no matter how hard the collation tries they canÆt get a foothold in FIX space...
Or when [GUN] destroyed 2 POS's the collation had put in there space... 2 in the same week that is?
Or any of the other engagements I remember the "pets" came out the winners of when I lived in Q?
If it were only for FIX themselves to defend their goods, they would have crumbled already, but who can blame them, but in the mean time that's what they've chosen. But, you have to be there to know what happens. Obviously, you're not.
We know what we're doing and our actions speak well for them in game.
Choose a side and fight for it in game or post with your main, please.
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Juan Andalusian
TAOSP
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:12:00 -
[444]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
last engagement in the first 7mins we were 14 BS kills to 3 ahead...then they brought in 2 Titans and several MS. They came out on top, no complaints about using the Super Caps, but Moonlight, you know nada...
Loading system 15 seconds, launching fighters 5 seconds, watching the remaining hostile fleet warp out 2 seconds.
Battle result 14 to 22 in battleships.
There is only one alliance in this game that can lose 19 battleships in 22 seconds without having a single capital or supercapital in the killmails and that's D2.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:15:00 -
[445]
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
last engagement in the first 7mins we were 14 BS kills to 3 ahead...then they brought in 2 Titans and several MS. They came out on top, no complaints about using the Super Caps, but Moonlight, you know nada...
Loading system 15 seconds, launching fighters 5 seconds, watching the remaining hostile fleet warp out 2 seconds.
Battle result 14 to 22 in battleships.
There is only one alliance in this game that can lose 19 battleships in 22 seconds without having a single capital or supercapital in the killmails and that's D2.
There is only one alliance that lost a Nyx because it was taken away from him because it was being flown by a cheating Dev. That was not D2. Can you tell me who it was Juan?
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Kam SingDu'k
Singularity.
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:25:00 -
[446]
proof or STFU????
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Kam SingDu'k
Singularity.
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:39:00 -
[447]
Edited by: Kam SingDu''k on 03/04/2007 08:37:55
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Kam SingDu'k
Singularity.
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:39:00 -
[448]
*messed up postage sowwie devs
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Macmuelli
Gallente
Gallente Mercantile Exchange
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:51:00 -
[449]
I remember reading that the goal was killing this Pos (capital shipyard).
capital shipyard = killed
GOAL
If u hit the Goal, it is not important loosing capitals then. ( to finish your plan u had allways to sacrifice something)
fact is = U havent stop the attack !...
to loose not your "Face" u say: = it was a well setted Trap !
It is not important if there was a titan or mothership in your shipyard.
Important is that there was a Unit of many corps/alliances against u, not fearing loosing something.
Whats a human without dreams?.....
DEATH
"Ein jeder ernte Ruhm auf seine Weise.....Gunnar von Hlidarendi "
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Farjung
Gallente
TAOSP
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:51:00 -
[450]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
last engagement in the first 7mins we were 14 BS kills to 3 ahead...then they brought in 2 Titans and several MS. They came out on top, no complaints about using the Super Caps, but Moonlight, you know nada...
Loading system 15 seconds, launching fighters 5 seconds, watching the remaining hostile fleet warp out 2 seconds.
Battle result 14 to 22 in battleships.
There is only one alliance in this game that can lose 19 battleships in 22 seconds without having a single capital or supercapital in the killmails and that's D2.
There is only one alliance that lost a Nyx because it was taken away from him because it was being flown by a cheating Dev. That was not D2. Can you tell me who it was Juan?
You've alluded to this before, would you like to elaborate? If you're referring to Vegeta, I suggest you look up Omniscient Order's killboard since the time he was removed from BoB, before commenting on things you know close to nothing about.
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Lyman Gilmore
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.04.03 08:54:00 -
[451]
Originally by: Kam SingDu'k
Edited by: Kam SingDu''k on 03/04/2007 08:37:18
Originally by: WildCard
Well i can confirm, that i was informed of the honeytrap a few days in front of the envents. Yes, i know that also not a real evidence.
Well planned and played BOB.
And I can also confirm that I was informed of the honeytrap a few days in front of the events!!! Yes I have no evidence either!!! But BoB told me
Proof or STFU yet?
Thats the problem with so much posts in an epic thread. The info gets lost in the middle.
Molle can you edit your 1st post to show the screen shots and the fraps please for everyone who isn't reading through all the tripe.
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Jon Hawkes
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:31:00 -
[452]
Great piece of misdirection from BoB!
And if those screenshots were supposedly taken on the test server, how do the nay-sayers explain the local count of 250-350 in each picture?
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:35:00 -
[453]
Edited by: Malachon Draco on 03/04/2007 09:33:57
Originally by: Farjung
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
last engagement in the first 7mins we were 14 BS kills to 3 ahead...then they brought in 2 Titans and several MS. They came out on top, no complaints about using the Super Caps, but Moonlight, you know nada...
Loading system 15 seconds, launching fighters 5 seconds, watching the remaining hostile fleet warp out 2 seconds.
Battle result 14 to 22 in battleships.
There is only one alliance in this game that can lose 19 battleships in 22 seconds without having a single capital or supercapital in the killmails and that's D2.
There is only one alliance that lost a Nyx because it was taken away from him because it was being flown by a cheating Dev. That was not D2. Can you tell me who it was Juan?
You've alluded to this before, would you like to elaborate? If you're referring to Vegeta, I suggest you look up Omniscient Order's killboard since the time he was removed from BoB, before commenting on things you know close to nothing about.
I am not naming any names, but from what i hear the Dev in question got his MS removed and got the choice between losing his job and losing his character.
He chose losing his job rather than losing his character. And as you will note, the CCP person who this cheater is alledged to be seems to be no longer working for CCP.
And for proof: Kieron admitted that a person was removed from CCPs employment when I brought up the incident to him.
Edit, well, after checking the KB you refer to it seems he didn't lose his MS or he got a second one from somewhere. But the fact remains Kieron confirmed the removal of a Dev for cheating with a Nyx, and the person in question was in BoB at the time.
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Eamz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:41:00 -
[454]
Originally by: Macmuelli
Edited by: Macmuelli on 03/04/2007 08:49:06
I remember reading that the goal was killing this Pos (capital shipyard).
capital shipyard = killed
GOAL
If u hit the Goal, it is not important loosing capitals then. ( to finish your plan u had allways to sacrifice something)
fact is = U havent stop the attack !...
to loose not your "Face" u say: = it was a well setted Trap !
It is not important if there was a titan or mothership in your shipyard.
Important is that there was a Unit of many corps/alliances against u, not fearing loosing something.
Much more of this attacks will keep your" throne of selfspeaked uberness" shaking
Pls. lol. Your goal could have been to lose 46 capitals. You still would have achieved it.
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Farjung
Gallente
TAOSP
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:41:00 -
[455]
Not really the place to discuss this, but suffice to say that you're incorrect. Hence why he still has his nyx.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:42:00 -
[456]
And in case you don't believe Kieron confirmed it:
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=484863&bcsi_scan_D2D16ED4A0F7C5F3=Qmpp5a2YXwWcG/s06gS+bBEAAADBytsD&bcsi_scan_filename=index.dxd
Its about 25% from the top of the page in the Eve-search URL I posted above, or for the lazy people, below the post copy-pasted.
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
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Apparently, there were 3 other incidents that took place back then we never heard about....
http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/search/news/Default.asp?ew_0_a_id=264532
note where it says:
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Three other employees of CCP have been caught violating the companyŠs rules by playing EveOnline and were reprimanded or lost their jobs as a consequence.
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While I am not sure about one of the events, I would guess two of the incidents mentioned involved the GM that was fired last summer for abusing his authority and the volunteer who was removed from ISD and perma banned for breaking the rules the summer before that, both of which were publically announced. Since the article does not go into specifics about the instances, it is impossible to take more than an educated guess.
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I keep hearing rumors about a very recent incident, with a Nyx and a GM. Not sure if its true, but if it is, any chance you'd post about that?
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Due to our privacy policy, I an not at liberty to say any more than the Developer (not GM) referenced is no longer with the organization.
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Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:47:00 -
[457]
The coalition is starting to sound like a small boy, crying to his mama that a big bad boy took his icecream.
You guys lost this one. Move on! Crying on the forums only make you look pathetic.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:50:00 -
[458]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
The coalition is starting to sound like a small boy, crying to his mama that a big bad boy took his icecream.
You guys lost this one. Move on! Crying on the forums only make you look pathetic.
Gloating even more so.
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alpha charlie
Minmatar
UberWtfBBQ and Battle Technologies Ltd
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:53:00 -
[459]
1 word... Pwned
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Fraknar Kromo
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:54:00 -
[460]
believe what you want, thats the way it is, not for us to prove you wrong, the dowt works just as well for us.
The facts - you lost tones of capitals - bob lost a pos with what ever you believe was in it = you got 40+ dreads less in your fleet bob has 1 less pos to fuel till they replace it, thats the only facts that cant be disputed by you..... those facts will do me just fine :)
GJ BoB amd friends !
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Blue Stratos
Amarr
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:00:00 -
[461]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Edited by: Malachon Draco on 03/04/2007 09:33:57
Originally by: Farjung
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
last engagement in the first 7mins we were 14 BS kills to 3 ahead...then they brought in 2 Titans and several MS. They came out on top, no complaints about using the Super Caps, but Moonlight, you know nada...
Loading system 15 seconds, launching fighters 5 seconds, watching the remaining hostile fleet warp out 2 seconds.
Battle result 14 to 22 in battleships.
There is only one alliance in this game that can lose 19 battleships in 22 seconds without having a single capital or supercapital in the killmails and that's D2.
There is only one alliance that lost a Nyx because it was taken away from him because it was being flown by a cheating Dev. That was not D2. Can you tell me who it was Juan?
You've alluded to this before, would you like to elaborate? If you're referring to Vegeta, I suggest you look up Omniscient Order's killboard since the time he was removed from BoB, before commenting on things you know close to nothing about.
I am not naming any names, but from what i hear the Dev in question got his MS removed and got the choice between losing his job and losing his character.
He chose losing his job rather than losing his character. And as you will note, the CCP person who this cheater is alledged to be seems to be no longer working for CCP.
And for proof: Kieron admitted that a person was removed from CCPs employment when I brought up the incident to him.
Edit, well, after checking the KB you refer to it seems he didn't lose his MS or he got a second one from somewhere. But the fact remains Kieron confirmed the removal of a Dev for cheating with a Nyx, and the person in question was in BoB at the time.
Is this the best defence you can come up with?
Dev h4x ball crap? Serriously? U need to grow up, all of the coaltion does
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Sir MilBanacky
Stronghold corp
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:04:00 -
[462]
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 02/04/2007 14:51:45
if is true GJ BoB
but is bob side :S propaganda ?? for moral boost?
did you really think he was going to claim anything but empty?
Well the day Molle tells the truth and not Spinning Top propaganda is the day I quit EVE and get a WOW account.
Even if there was a titan being built wild horses wouldn't drag the truth out of him.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:34:00 -
[463]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
The coalition is starting to sound like a small boy, crying to his mama that a big bad boy took his icecream.
You guys lost this one. Move on! Crying on the forums only make you look pathetic.
Hows Stain?
Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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PipoDeYoyo
12-Gauge
Kaos Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:36:00 -
[464]
Quote:
Is this the best defence you can come up with?
Dev h4x ball crap? Serriously? U need to grow up, all of the coaltion does
They did grow up, they actually started this war over it. CCP might delete every thread about it but i dont think people will forget that easy.
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Hast
Refused.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:41:00 -
[465]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
last engagement in the first 7mins we were 14 BS kills to 3 ahead...then they brought in 2 Titans and several MS. They came out on top, no complaints about using the Super Caps, but Moonlight, you know nada...
Loading system 15 seconds, launching fighters 5 seconds, watching the remaining hostile fleet warp out 2 seconds.
Battle result 14 to 22 in battleships.
There is only one alliance in this game that can lose 19 battleships in 22 seconds without having a single capital or supercapital in the killmails and that's D2.
There is only one alliance that lost a Nyx because it was taken away from him because it was being flown by a cheating Dev. That was not D2. Can you tell me who it was Juan?
Y HELLO THAR MR UNINFORMED. The person you are talking about wasnt even in the alliance when he was outed. He was kicked because he would rather pirate in lowsec rather then be on the front.
Man you are really bitter that ASCN was crushed wasnt you?
the funny thing is that even if there was such a thing as devhax, we wouldnt have had to use it against you guys.
Originally by: omeega
PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:55:00 -
[466]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
last engagement in the first 7mins we were 14 BS kills to 3 ahead...then they brought in 2 Titans and several MS. They came out on top, no complaints about using the Super Caps, but Moonlight, you know nada...
Loading system 15 seconds, launching fighters 5 seconds, watching the remaining hostile fleet warp out 2 seconds.
Battle result 14 to 22 in battleships.
There is only one alliance in this game that can lose 19 battleships in 22 seconds without having a single capital or supercapital in the killmails and that's D2.
There is only one alliance that lost a Nyx because it was taken away from him because it was being flown by a cheating Dev. That was not D2. Can you tell me who it was Juan?
Made me laugh.
To the OP ,he is a lying.
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Ione Hunt
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:57:00 -
[467]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
The coalition is starting to sound like a small boy, crying to his mama that a big bad boy took his icecream.
You guys lost this one. Move on! Crying on the forums only make you look pathetic.
LV talking about whining, that's rich
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HUA XIAZI
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:02:00 -
[468]
O RLY?
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King Fury
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:10:00 -
[469]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
And in case you don't believe Kieron confirmed it:
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=484863&bcsi_scan_D2D16ED4A0F7C5F3=Qmpp5a2YXwWcG/s06gS+bBEAAADBytsD&bcsi_scan_filename=index.dxd
Its about 25% from the top of the page in the Eve-search URL I posted above, or for the lazy people, below the post copy-pasted.
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
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Originally by: kieron
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Originally by: Richard Aiel
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Apparently, there were 3 other incidents that took place back then we never heard about....
http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/search/news/Default.asp?ew_0_a_id=264532
note where it says:
Quote:
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Three other employees of CCP have been caught violating the companyŠs rules by playing EveOnline and were reprimanded or lost their jobs as a consequence.
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While I am not sure about one of the events, I would guess two of the incidents mentioned involved the GM that was fired last summer for abusing his authority and the volunteer who was removed from ISD and perma banned for breaking the rules the summer before that, both of which were publically announced. Since the article does not go into specifics about the instances, it is impossible to take more than an educated guess.
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I keep hearing rumors about a very recent incident, with a Nyx and a GM. Not sure if its true, but if it is, any chance you'd post about that?
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Due to our privacy policy, I an not at liberty to say any more than the Developer (not GM) referenced is no longer with the organization.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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How about a quote from LeMonde? Nebulai? T20? BoB cant win within game mechanics, fact
How much longer are ccp gonna allow this bod fiasco to continue?
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Hastabum
Gallente
Hastabum Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:14:00 -
[470]
Originally by: King Fury
How about a quote from LeMonde? Nebulai? T20? BoB cant win within game mechanics, fact
How much longer are ccp gonna allow this bod fiasco to continue?
Calling someone a cheater will not make him go away. If anything, it amuses him. Be it in CS, WoW or EVE.
It's like a prisoner complaining about the guard having more power than he does and calling it unfair
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Obed
Imperial Logistics
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:19:00 -
[471]
Originally by: Moonlight Express
Originally by: Obed
Original Post
You act like BoB need a moral boost to continue this war. Have you been fallowing what has been going on? Coalition lost every battle so far. Why would BoB need morale boost? To fight? Have you heard of BoB? Do you know why they play the game?
IÆm sure BoB are putting up ship yards as we speak just to lured the coalition to them again. The question is will the coalition still have the will to put up their cap fleet on the line. IÆm sure BoB hopes that they do.
Hi friend, you seem to have mistaken my post for an attack against the allies, when in fact it was actually quite complimentary, as should have been clear in the first couple of lines. Please drop me a mail in-game if you wish to discuss. Obed.
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fafa2365
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:26:00 -
[472]
Hi all, hi Sir Molle.
Concerning the screenshots, to keep credibility, BoB should have post ORIGINAL PNG screenshots, not reencoded in JPEG. Bring them (original, not PNG reencoded), and then, maybe, we will trust you. Oh also, don't rename them please ;)
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:39:00 -
[473]
Originally by: Hast
The person you are talking about wasnt even in the alliance when he was outed.
He was kicked because he would rather pirate in lowsec rather then be on the front.
So Vegeta was kicked from BoB becuase he wanted to use his cheated Nyx to pirate, rather than use his cheated Nyx to help BoB.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Lord Guffy
Minmatar
Lame Duck Logistics
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:48:00 -
[474]
Edited by: Lord Guffy on 03/04/2007 12:46:02
It's pretty sad what this has degenerated to. Coallition were actually beginning to earn a bit of respect for behaving with dignity, then a defeat comes along and all they can do is fall back on the standard 'BoD suxx' 'devhaxxpolitness' cries.
Be aware that there will be many people reading this thread making a pretty damning judgement on the maturity of Coallition members if they're unable to behave like adults on these boards.
Yes - I'm aware that there are a number of BoB alts also posting here, but surely this is the time for Coallition to try to salvage some kudos out of their defeat, not simply to stamp their feet and make pointy finger gestures. It does little for their public image. If there was any strong leadership behind the coallition I'm amazed it hasn't encouraged more restraint from it members.
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:48:00 -
[475]
Originally by: fafa2365
Hi all, hi Sir Molle.
Concerning the screenshots, to keep credibility, BoB should have post ORIGINAL PNG screenshots, not reencoded in JPEG. Bring them (original, not PNG reencoded), and then, maybe, we will trust you. Oh also, don't rename them please ;)
PNG is a format with compression. Like JPEG but uses different algorithms. You probably referring to original BMPs. But as been mentioned here a professional can make perfectly faked screenshots - no one will be able to recognize it.
Anyways all these argues have no sense - no matter what you will be told you will keep believe into what you want to believe. It's a human nature.
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Kreul Intentions
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:50:00 -
[476]
Here is a reminder to stay on the current topic. Anymore off-topic/trolling posts will be removed and offending poster warned.
Thank you.
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Ganond0rf
Aquilae Stellaris
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:53:00 -
[477]
Very well executed plan if it's true, we will have confirmation when we see a new leviathan running around.
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Doc Punkiller
Caldari
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:54:00 -
[478]
Originally by: Indiano Arko
Originally by: fafa2365
Hi all, hi Sir Molle.
Concerning the screenshots, to keep credibility, BoB should have post ORIGINAL PNG screenshots, not reencoded in JPEG. Bring them (original, not PNG reencoded), and then, maybe, we will trust you. Oh also, don't rename them please ;)
PNG is a format with compression. Like JPEG but uses different algorithms. You probably referring to original BMPs. But as been mentioned here a professional can make perfectly faked screenshots - no one will be able to recognize it.
Anyways all these argues have no sense - no matter what you will be told you will keep believe into what you want to believe. It's a human nature.
Jpeg is lossy compression based on DCT, PNG use lossless algorithms...
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Kespii
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:01:00 -
[479]
Originally by: Indiano Arko
Originally by: fafa2365
Hi all, hi Sir Molle.
Concerning the screenshots, to keep credibility, BoB should have post ORIGINAL PNG screenshots, not reencoded in JPEG. Bring them (original, not PNG reencoded), and then, maybe, we will trust you. Oh also, don't rename them please ;)
PNG is a format with compression. Like JPEG but uses different algorithms. You probably referring to original BMPs. But as been mentioned here a professional can make perfectly faked screenshots - no one will be able to recognize it.
Anyways all these argues have no sense - no matter what you will be told you will keep believe into what you want to believe. It's a human nature.
So what your saying is that it's best for the coalition to live in a world of delusions in order to even stand a chance?
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:14:00 -
[480]
Originally by: Doc Punkiller
Jpeg is lossy compression based on DCT, PNG use lossless algorithms...
and your point is?
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Airata
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:15:00 -
[481]
Gj BoB.. on making Coalition believe their efforts were worthles. Too bad Titan was still destroyed
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Doc Punkiller
Caldari
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:28:00 -
[482]
Originally by: Indiano Arko
Originally by: Doc Punkiller
Jpeg is lossy compression based on DCT, PNG use lossless algorithms...
and your point is?
evemail me i'll explain you.
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haq aan
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:32:00 -
[483]
A : There s no God.
B : There is...
haq aan MAIN
D2 - Omega Enterprices
Please go into your forum settings and select to show your corp/alliance - Kreul Intentions
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BlackKnight
Minmatar
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:25:00 -
[484]
Well done BoB!!!
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Iva Soreass
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:41:00 -
[485]
Just lol at the cryalition in this thread now.
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I was violated by BackDoor Bandit :*(.
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Max Hammer
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:44:00 -
[486]
Edited by: Max Hammer on 03/04/2007 14:42:34
Edited by: Max Hammer on 03/04/2007 14:41:19
Originally by: fafa2365
Hi all, hi Sir Molle.
Concerning the screenshots, to keep credibility, BoB should have post ORIGINAL PNG screenshots, not reencoded in JPEG. Bring them (original, not PNG reencoded), and then, maybe, we will trust you. Oh also, don't rename them please ;)
I don't know if you Coalition people realize but you atm cant get anymore retarded then you appear right now with comments like this, and sad thing is you are not the only one.
You killed pos, lost 42 Dreads, and 5 Carriers, then you got evidence that you ****** up major time with screen shots and VIDEO!!! and you are still whining how it is fake and not true and how BoB cheats hax etc you name it. Well i hope this will be a wake up post for all retards like you that posted in this post, majority of them coming from Razor and Morsus Mihi. I know it hurts guys hell it have to hurt to realize you ****** up like this but your own Director in one of Coalition alliances confirmed this and you still make retards of your selfs. Atm you are laughing stock of whole community.
Wake up links:
Linkage1
Linkage2
You got owned, and you are stupid enough not to see it even when it is piercing your eyes. But please continue to make us all laugh our asses of over your posts.
On a side note, good job BoB and friends. Gratz for biggest massacre in single battle in EvE history as well as awesome plan. Good job coalition for being utter morons on this very forums, and also for greatest military defeat in EvE history. We always know you can do it now you proved it :) Keep up good job rofl :)
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Buxaroo
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:58:00 -
[487]
Edited by: Buxaroo on 03/04/2007 14:55:21
Originally by: Iva Soreass
Just lol at the cryalition in this thread now.
"cryalition"
And we should call it the "cryathalon of the cryalition" and see who whines the most
Oh and Iva say hello to Yvonne for me
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Xelphior
Caldari
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 15:00:00 -
[488]
now its time to stop playing denial, and admit the truth.
you lost 100bn isk approx on the best honey trap ive ever heard of and you should congratulate them on their cunning stunt, now stop smacin and flaming and admit GF and GJ on a honeytrap well executed and carry on.
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Maxtor Payne
Minmatar
DeathWatch Militaris
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Posted - 2007.04.03 15:10:00 -
[489]
Originally by: Buxaroo
Edited by: Buxaroo on 03/04/2007 14:55:21
Originally by: Iva Soreass
Just lol at the cryalition in this thread now.
"cryalition"
And we should call it the "cryathalon of the cryalition" and see who whines the most
Oh and Iva say hello to Yvonne for me
I'm more partial to "CoWHAAAAAAAalition"
Merc alt for hire. Contact Retran for contracts. Currently fighting: Deep Space Construction |
Hallinix
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.03 15:20:00 -
[490]
"Now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
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Shinjuro
ToXiC.
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.03 15:28:00 -
[491]
Well if this story is in fact true.. @ the coalition.
But if my memory serves me right... ya ok I believe everything molle says because afterall there never were any devs in bob.
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Max Hammer
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 15:30:00 -
[492]
Originally by: Shinjuro
Well if this story is in fact true.. @ the coalition.
But if my memory serves me right... ya ok I believe everything molle says because afterall there never were any devs in bob.
i will only point you to a my first post in this page of this thread and on links in it. and reed whole thread before posting bunch of crap
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Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
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Posted - 2007.04.03 15:34:00 -
[493]
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
The coalition is starting to sound like a small boy, crying to his mama that a big bad boy took his icecream.
You guys lost this one. Move on! Crying on the forums only make you look pathetic.
Hows Stain?
ROFL! Remind me again -- what does TRI hold in 0.0 that's better than what LV has in Stain or anywhere else?
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La Pounania
Minmatar
Majestic Knights
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Posted - 2007.04.03 15:35:00 -
[494]
o no it was empty
like you would say if there was anything in it :)
you guys have a dream of a war, stop talking crap and fight ingame :)
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Max Hammer
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 15:42:00 -
[495]
Edited by: Max Hammer on 03/04/2007 15:38:11
Originally by: La Pounania
o no it was empty
like you would say if there was anything in it :)
you guys have a dream of a war, stop talking crap and fight ingame :)
another lemming rofl :) they don't need to say, they showed, and coalition admitted. well reasonable ones admitted, retards still claims hax and cheats here :D
reed whole thread
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Zae'dra Xanthe
Fist of the Goat
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Posted - 2007.04.03 15:44:00 -
[496]
Originally by: Buxaroo
Edited by: Buxaroo on 03/04/2007 14:55:21
Originally by: Iva Soreass
Just lol at the cryalition in this thread now.
"cryalition"
And we should call it the "cryathalon of the cryalition" and see who whines the most
Oh and Iva say hello to Yvonne for me
Will they whine as badly as your alliance did over the "BOD" moniker? Making up schoolyard names is as infantile as it gets, from either side.
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SenorApples
The Clearwater Society
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:05:00 -
[497]
Good Work
Yet again we see how tactics, strategy, and preperation win battles and wars.
Ideology may be fashionable, but it doesnt kill pods, siege PoS's or take down Titans.
Proud to have taken part in this Historic and well thought of Battle!
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Rebekah
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:29:00 -
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Good work, great tactics!
The isk losses are big but for me its the time it will take to replace that kind of loss that really hits home. The time to earn the isk, the time to gather the resources and not least the time it will take to build all those cap ships. My rough calculation is about 8 man years of factory time!
Fantastic Job!
p.s. Nice to see you took down our old friend "duke rottingham" AKA Zaltock AKA Mojo - I bet the smack was painful!
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Jimmy Saville
Minmatar
The Bombastic Bling Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:34:00 -
[499]
Edited by: Jimmy Saville on 03/04/2007 16:31:27
Yep. Time for the coallition to stop humiliating themselves with constant denials. Do you realise how laughable you look?
The whole 'clearly beaten but refuse to admit it' thing has been done before but I can't remember where...
For god's sake, be men enough to admit defeat rather than bleating here. It's only a battle, not a war.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:41:00 -
[500]
Originally by: Jimmy Saville
Edited by: Jimmy Saville on 03/04/2007 16:31:27
Yep. Time for the coallition to stop humiliating themselves with constant denials. Do you realise how laughable you look?
The whole 'clearly beaten but refuse to admit it' thing has been done before but I can't remember where...
For god's sake, be men enough to admit defeat rather than bleating here. It's only a battle, not a war.
Haha
"This is nothing, its only a flesh wound!"
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nickycakes
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Iva Soreass
Just lol at the cryalition in this thread now.
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Liam Galagher
Savey
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:46:00 -
[502]
Edited by: Liam Galagher on 03/04/2007 16:42:57
Originally by: Max Hammer
Edited by: Max Hammer on 03/04/2007 15:38:11
Originally by: La Pounania
o no it was empty
like you would say if there was anything in it :)
you guys have a dream of a war, stop talking crap and fight ingame :)
another lemming rofl :) they don't need to say, they showed, and coalition admitted. well reasonable ones admitted, retards still claims hax and cheats here :D
reed whole thread
stfu - bobs slave
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:46:00 -
[503]
I believe this post, not because as some may think i am a mindless slave to all bobs whims who beleives everything they tell him, but because of the reaction on bob ts. While many BoB pilots sounded concerned or worried about the pos' destruction, their leadership were positively extatic. If this is all lies they are very very good actors and master manipulators. Of course many people think that about them already so .......
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Jimmy Saville
Minmatar
The Bombastic Bling Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:50:00 -
[504]
Edited by: Jimmy Saville on 03/04/2007 16:47:30
The thing is, when you look at the reasoned responses of people like Hippoking (basically saying 'we knew there were two, we took a risk, we were unlucky - but at least we bought the fight') vs the 'STFU bob pet' flames like the one above, I know which of the two individuals has gained more respect from the Eve community...
EDIT: Not one above but the one above that now. Oops.
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Kespii
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:51:00 -
[505]
Believing that the photos and fraps are fake is like being a religious extremist who thinks the world is flat, nasa faked the moon landing, the universe is 10,000 years old, dinosaurs and humans co-existed, and evolution is a secular conspiracy to destroy all supernatural worldviews by replacing it with a natural worldview. People believe this stuff not based on evidence or any basis of truth or reason, but because they become emotionally insecure and unstable when they see evidence that contradicts their world schema.
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Xelphior
Caldari
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:52:00 -
[506]
Originally by: Liam Galagher
Edited by: Liam Galagher on 03/04/2007 16:42:57
Originally by: Max Hammer
Edited by: Max Hammer on 03/04/2007 15:38:11
Originally by: La Pounania
o no it was empty
like you would say if there was anything in it :)
you guys have a dream of a war, stop talking crap and fight ingame :)
another lemming rofl :) they don't need to say, they showed, and coalition admitted. well reasonable ones admitted, retards still claims hax and cheats here :D
reed whole thread
stfu - bobs slave
The Cartel are not affiliated to BoB, Get ya facts right.
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Fornacis
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:54:00 -
[507]
Sorry...can't bother myself to read 17 pages of rabble, but can't CCP come forward and confirm/deny??.....no wait...
Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
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Maxtor Payne
Minmatar
DeathWatch Militaris
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:54:00 -
[508]
Originally by: Liam Galagher
Edited by: Liam Galagher on 03/04/2007 16:42:57
Originally by: Max Hammer
Edited by: Max Hammer on 03/04/2007 15:38:11
Originally by: La Pounania
o no it was empty
like you would say if there was anything in it :)
you guys have a dream of a war, stop talking crap and fight ingame :)
another lemming rofl :) they don't need to say, they showed, and coalition admitted. well reasonable ones admitted, retards still claims hax and cheats here :D
reed whole thread
stfu - bobs slave
The Coalition at its best. Truly, a paroxysm of stoicism, intelligence and respectfullness. Well done sir!
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Kespii
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:56:00 -
[509]
Originally by: Fornacis
Sorry...can't bother myself to read 17 pages of rabble, but can't CCP come forward and confirm/deny??.....no wait...
CCP will not come forward because if they say that there was no titan, you guys will scream that Bob has CCP in their back pockets
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Jimmy Saville
Minmatar
The Bombastic Bling Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:56:00 -
[510]
Originally by: Liam Galagher
stfu - bobs slave
Comments like this are why the Coallition are losing support fast.
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Blind Man
Kemono.
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:59:00 -
[511]
fun read at lunch, nice job
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:12:00 -
[512]
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
The coalition is starting to sound like a small boy, crying to his mama that a big bad boy took his icecream.
You guys lost this one. Move on! Crying on the forums only make you look pathetic.
Hows Stain?
ROFL! Remind me again -- what does TRI hold in 0.0 that's better than what LV has in Stain or anywhere else?
Well Mr Alt. 360 pilots to 1500 pilots. Better than Stain? Well we're in Venal at the momment and seeing as they're both NPC regions id say noone has anything. The difference is a fall from grace, so don't mind me if when i see some LV smacktard being bitter from underneath BoD's skirts i don't go 'Ha ha haha ha... ha'
BTW If anyone wants to come for a scuffle they're more than welcome to.
Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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nico wurz250
The X-Trading Company
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:13:00 -
[513]
I do not think we have been done from ... the alliance.
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Grox
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:15:00 -
[514]
the call was to be at the biggest battle in eve history... secondary was kill pos with titan .
congrats to both sides on the biggest battle in eve history. as gamers i think all of eve won, despite the losses of either side.
gratz to all
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Xelphior
Caldari
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:16:00 -
[515]
Originally by: Grox
the call was to be at the biggest battle in eve history... secondary was kill pos with titan .
congrats to both sides on the biggest battle in eve history. as gamers i think all of eve won, despite the losses of either side.
gratz to all
there was no titan killed, just an empty pos. check the post by max hammer on pg 17
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Admiral Pieg
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:18:00 -
[516]
Originally by: Grox
the call was to be at the biggest battle in eve history... secondary was kill pos with titan .
congrats to both sides on the biggest battle in eve history. as gamers i think all of eve won, despite the losses of either side.
gratz to all
this is a joke right? The battle itself will be a footnote in eve history as one of the biggest lagfests ever.
The honeytrap scheme on the other hand is the stuff of legends and will probably live on forever
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FuzzBuzz
Caldari
Templars of Space
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:23:00 -
[517]
Originally by: Max Hammer
Edited by: Max Hammer on 03/04/2007 14:42:34
Edited by: Max Hammer on 03/04/2007 14:41:19
Originally by: fafa2365
Hi all, hi Sir Molle.
Concerning the screenshots, to keep credibility, BoB should have post ORIGINAL PNG screenshots, not reencoded in JPEG. Bring them (original, not PNG reencoded), and then, maybe, we will trust you. Oh also, don't rename them please ;)
I don't know if you Coalition people realize but you atm cant get anymore retarded then you appear right now with comments like this, and sad thing is you are not the only one.
You killed pos, lost 42 Dreads, and 5 Carriers, then you got evidence that you ****** up major time with screen shots and VIDEO!!! and you are still whining how it is fake and not true and how BoB cheats hax etc you name it. Well i hope this will be a wake up post for all retards like you that posted in this post, majority of them coming from Razor and Morsus Mihi. I know it hurts guys hell it have to hurt to realize you ****** up like this but your own Director in one of Coalition alliances confirmed this and you still make retards of your selfs. Atm you are laughing stock of whole community.
Wake up links:
Linkage1
Linkage2
You got owned, and you are stupid enough not to see it even when it is piercing your eyes. But please continue to make us all laugh our asses of over your posts.
On a side note, good job BoB and friends. Gratz for biggest massacre in single battle in EvE history as well as awesome plan. Good job coalition for being utter morons on this very forums, and also for greatest military defeat in EvE history. We always know you can do it now you proved it :) Keep up good job rofl :)
you base the coalition on the people that post? how many members from each side post on the forums? not many
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:37:00 -
[518]
Edited by: Boliknar on 03/04/2007 17:38:01
Originally by: Max Hammer
Originally by: Shinjuro
Well if this story is in fact true.. @ the coalition.
But if my memory serves me right... ya ok I believe everything molle says because afterall there never were any devs in bob.
i will only point you to a my first post in this page of this thread and on links in it. and reed whole thread before posting bunch of crap
That will of course include the photoshopped BS linsk you posted after those right?
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Grox
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:38:00 -
[519]
Originally by: Admiral Pieg
Originally by: Grox
the call was to be at the biggest battle in eve history... secondary was kill pos with titan .
congrats to both sides on the biggest battle in eve history. as gamers i think all of eve won, despite the losses of either side.
gratz to all
armaggheddon day in beta was a joke to. but no one talks aboput the lag that day..
just the fact we all had max skills and fat wallets to do what we wanted..and it was a lagfest as we all attacked cistuvaert, and yes im happy i was there lag and all,
this is a joke right? The battle itself will be a footnote in eve history as one of the biggest lagfests ever.
The honeytrap scheme on the other hand is the stuff of legends and will probably live on forever
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:40:00 -
[520]
Originally by: Jimmy Saville
Originally by: Liam Galagher
stfu - bobs slave
Comments like this are why the Coallition are losing support fast.
Who exactly are we losing support from? Alt corps and sideline sitters who really didnt matter in the first place? The only corps to have left the coalition were never really committed to the goal in the first palce.
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Sender Avelard
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:44:00 -
[521]
I wonder why there are so few postings concerning the strategy issues underlying the grand moves: BoB beforehands tacitly agreed to exchange a POS (empty or not, but at least containing a shipyard) vs. a free blow against a respectable hostile fleet. I would have rather liked to read opinions about whether or not this has been a smart move. The trap sprung, but why aren't you guys arguing about the usage of a trap at all? Criticism about tactical moves could prove to be an interesting topic to go on.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:49:00 -
[522]
Edited by: Boliknar on 03/04/2007 17:45:50
Originally by: Sender Avelard
I wonder why there are so few postings concerning the strategy issues underlying the grand moves: BoB beforehands tacitly agreed to exchange a POS (empty or not, but at least containing a shipyard) vs. a free blow against a respectable hostile fleet. I would have rather liked to read opinions about whether or not this has been a smart move. The trap sprung, but why aren't you guys arguing about the usage of a trap at all? Criticism about tactical moves could prove to be an interesting topic to go on.
Because we should not argue or debate anything the "Great BoB" decides to do. They are quite oviously our betters in all matters and we should just bow down and be happy to be their pets. Right Black Pearl Cartel?
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Xelphior
Caldari
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:53:00 -
[523]
Originally by: Boliknar
Edited by: Boliknar on 03/04/2007 17:45:50
Originally by: Sender Avelard
I wonder why there are so few postings concerning the strategy issues underlying the grand moves: BoB beforehands tacitly agreed to exchange a POS (empty or not, but at least containing a shipyard) vs. a free blow against a respectable hostile fleet. I would have rather liked to read opinions about whether or not this has been a smart move. The trap sprung, but why aren't you guys arguing about the usage of a trap at all? Criticism about tactical moves could prove to be an interesting topic to go on.
Because we should not argue or debate anything the "Great BoB" decides to do. They are quite oviously our betters in all matters and we should just bow down and be happy to be their pets. Right Black Pearl Cartel?
Ugh why is it the retards that never read.
yes we have friends in bob, no we are not blue to bob, we are not affiliated, nor want to be affiliated with them. we are a lil empire piwate corp yarr!
so hows about STFU, and Prove were pets.
oh btw, hows it feel loosing over one hundred billion ISK for a 1bn pos?????
if i were you, id stop trying to change the subject etc and deal witht he fact that you lot got ya backsides wiped up one side of the uni and right down the other ... yer that sounds like an idea.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:57:00 -
[524]
you can see more coalition crying here then in all ascn posts together in bob/ascn war
i think when most coalition alliances disbands cos of all winhing you made here you wont be remembered as a pvpers you wil be remembered as a guys who cries alot when they lose
and you stil didnt grow up
when bob wins as usually then you start with bob bod gm devs hacks haxxxorz etc.
grow up or go play wow
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Max Hammer
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 18:11:00 -
[525]
Originally by: Boliknar
Edited by: Boliknar on 03/04/2007 17:45:50
Originally by: Sender Avelard
I wonder why there are so few postings concerning the strategy issues underlying the grand moves: BoB beforehands tacitly agreed to exchange a POS (empty or not, but at least containing a shipyard) vs. a free blow against a respectable hostile fleet. I would have rather liked to read opinions about whether or not this has been a smart move. The trap sprung, but why aren't you guys arguing about the usage of a trap at all? Criticism about tactical moves could prove to be an interesting topic to go on.
Because we should not argue or debate anything the "Great BoB" decides to do. They are quite oviously our betters in all matters and we should just bow down and be happy to be their pets. Right Black Pearl Cartel?
You in particular along with few other dudes from coalition is what makes all of them looks like retards :) I can think of that Liquid Research tard and few more :) Only things you say and said since start of this war is HAX CHEAT EXPLOIT BOD DEVS WHA WHA WHAAA. For every defeat you suffered its someone elses fault. Not in any case it was all mighty retarded you who ****** up like n00bs they are. Thanks for your enlightening whines. I am sure BoB was gentle when they were owning the **** outta you so i cant understand all your bitterness. If a hug would help i would offer one but this is to hard case even for that. So please do cry me a river again.
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Kreul Intentions
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.03 19:02:00 -
[526]
Post with you main, if you do not have an alliance/corp ticker visible beyond this post, you will get a warning. Please refreain from ranting/trolling and off-topic postings.
Thank you.
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BunnyGunny
Gallente
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 19:06:00 -
[527]
Do not discuss moderation on the forums - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
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Xelphior
Caldari
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 19:08:00 -
[528]
Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 19:10:47
Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 19:09:03
Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 19:07:56
what our Diplomat Bunny is saying, he feels that our response to allegations being denied is somewhat unjust, even though i cried laughing, but i will reword it so its less offensive shortly.
Diplomatic Dept.
In responce to the allegation that we are BoB Alts, we are not, We are the Band of Bunnies (Uber top Sekrit Bob alts, Shhhh! dont tell anyone!!!) and that allegations of us being alts are unfounded and a total load of rubbish, therefore we kindly invite you to enjoy a sugar frosted intercourse on our bio waste extraction pipes from our eggs, whilst we we yell out 'Whos Ya Daddy'
Regards
This is an Official Statement
Head of Misinformation
Band of Bunnies
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Buxaroo
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.04.03 19:24:00 -
[529]
ROFL Xelphior, someone said you were a BoB alt? OMG, I need to invest in T2 Tinfoil Hat modules.
This is like 6 degrees of seperation where you can link anyone to anything just because of past associations and whatnot
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Posted - 2007.04.03 20:19:00 -
[530]
Once again- EVE proves itself to be the best freeform "game" in existence. The game is so elaborate that the "game" trancends to the forums.
The one issue that is completely overlooked is that of basic fact. Who cares if BoB did or didn't lose a Titan. They are clever and they probably didn't, but who cares...
The real issue is this: The boys from up north proved that they can strike where they want to, when they want to. They lost alot of dreads and a lot of money. They attacked BoB on their home turf. Sure, they admit they might have gotten the wrong pos. They might have been fed misinformation.
Molle has a gift of punching the keyboard and making people react to him. His doomsdays are less imporant that his charisma. If people believe BoB is winning, BoB is winning. If they don't, they don't.
The problem here is that BoB is on constant defense. If BoB is as clever as they want themselves to be, they have to hit at the heart of the northern contingent. They have to attack the source of this war.
MC has made some inroads north and perhaps they are establishing a base to launch such attacks. If BoB cannot hurt the economic backbone of the contingent attacking them, all this war comes down to is a question of time and numbers.
Clearly Bob is more skilled and has more experience in combat. But, outside all of the smoke and mirrors how much heart do they have for the long haul?
I would equate the cap shipyard takedown to Doolitte's raid on the Japanese in World War II. Every plane was lost. Many flight crews died. But, the Americans proved that they could bomb Japan when they wanted to.
Watch for Molle moving north. He has to.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.04.03 20:40:00 -
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tbh, titan or no titan, I think we all know the coaltion are going to give up this fight at some point, unless they drastically change their approach
if the coalition co-ordinated themselves properly they could have eradicated bob from the map, but they are pretty disorganised - as someone said at the start of the thread 'split up your fleet of 1000 into 5 fleets of 200, and take down 5 outpost systems at once, its far harder to defend than an uberblob'. But instead they attack a POS here, a system there. Its all very unconvincing and haphazard.
What they have in numbers is ruined by a lack of unified command and control, or a clear and decisive strategy.
The 'my blob is bigger' mentality won't win the war.
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:04:00 -
[532]
Originally by: Lilwoofs
The real issue is this: The boys from up north proved that they can strike where they want to, when they want to.
Are they? After all it looks like Coalition is playing into games with rules set by BoB.
Originally by: Lilwoofs
If people believe BoB is winning, BoB is winning. If they don't, they don't.
Believes and reality aren't always same.
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Gralgathor
Caldari
AFK
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:12:00 -
[533]
Brilliant move, from both a tactical and a propaganda perspective. Whether or not that POS was empty is irrelevant at this stage, really. The seed of doubt has been sowed, and the coalition will face doubt and confusion at every subsequent attack they plan. Superbly played, BoB.
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bystander
Lightning Fish
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:14:00 -
[534]
The big lie? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie
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Minigin
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:21:00 -
[535]
Originally by: Larsson7
Originally by: OozoO
Originally by: Elad Dranoel
owned
Sir Molle is my brother in law but there is no proof - I'll later add a nice shiny banner to this post so you will believe it, ok?!
It must really hurt.
In your heart you want to believe that you destroyed a Titan in production. After all - losing 40+ Capitals to destroy an empty POS would not really lift morale, would it?
GG BoB
It must really hurt.
In your heart you want to believe that the coalition didnt really destroy a Titan in production. After all - losing a Titan would not really lift morale, would it?
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:31:00 -
[536]
Originally by: Butter Dog
tbh, titan or no titan, I think we all know the coaltion are going to give up this fight at some point, unless they drastically change their approach
if the coalition co-ordinated themselves properly they could have eradicated bob from the map, but they are pretty disorganised - as someone said at the start of the thread 'split up your fleet of 1000 into 5 fleets of 200, and take down 5 outpost systems at once, its far harder to defend than an uberblob'. But instead they attack a POS here, a system there. Its all very unconvincing and haphazard.
What they have in numbers is ruined by a lack of unified command and control, or a clear and decisive strategy.
The 'my blob is bigger' mentality won't win the war.
I think what you're failing to see is that every pilot that the Coalition had available was trying to get into a system.
In that situation there isn't any chance of "Oh lets just swan off to a different part of space and run some POS reinforcing there" as you're stuck logging in, loading grid or just plain, horrible, lagging in a system 2 jumps out from the target.
There is no plan with regards to blobbing. Your argument there is based on an idea that the Coalition's main offensive weapon is to outnumber the enemy. Well, sorry to break this to you, but people pay to play this game and as the Coalition have a large amount of players you will get a certain amount of "blobbing" when those paying customers want to go on ops and have fun with the rest of their Alliance/Coalition. This is not an underhand tactic nor is it against the EULA, it's just war baby.
You're making general accusations and pathetically trying to flame The Coalition because you see that they have not made much of a dent in the BoB lines yet. I can assure you that we're all well aware that BoB wasn't going to be the cakewalk that LV and ISS were. They definitely weren't going to collapse like LV did and we were ready for that. Fighting LV couldn't be more different when compared with fighting BoB and that calls for different tactics.
If everyone in EVE was given 1 ISK for each uninformed, misunderstood, rumour mill or idiotic statement that was posted in this specific forum you'd see a lot more faction fitted faction ships running around.
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Xelphior
Caldari
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:32:00 -
[537]
read post by max hammer on page 17, has links that proves there wasnt one, hippo a goonswarm ceo admitted it, all screenied etc, take a look.
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Permayla Diota
Minmatar
Tech 2 Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:38:00 -
[538]
Originally by: Lilwoofs
Clearly Bob is more skilled and has more experience in combat. But, outside all of the smoke and mirrors how much heart do they have for the long haul?
OMFG, WTS Clue.
Ive watched people go on and on and rant and whine and foam at the mouth about how were "punishing bob" or its a "numbers game" or train this or choo choo that.
The fact of the matter is every single person attacking BoB is giving them the best present they have ever gotten in Eve.
For over a year they have slapped ppl in the face, they have humiliated ppl on the battlefield and they have taken region after region. They have literally begged ANYONE to bring it and now the "Coalition" has found where they left there testicular fortitude and brought it. By the coalitions own admittance, it took percieved odds of 3 to 4 - 1 in there favor before they dared attack the "ebil bob".
Everything you have said folks, everything you have done, has done nothing but FEED THE BEAST. Congratulations, ppl thought the shipyard was the great honeypot. The truth is the entire war is. You send wave after wave against a Pure PVP alliance and lose and then whine ?
The real question you should be asking yourself is not how much heart Bob has for the long haul. The real question is how long before BoB get bored and start to move to end the pew pew. THAT is when its gonna start hurting the coalition where it counts.
Anyway I'm just a empire nub / Worth nothing player / BoB alt / whatever you wanna call me since I dont agree with most of you, but my God please tell me that at least some of you coalition people actually do see the gift your giving Bob ?
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Feynmen
Open Concepts
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Posted - 2007.04.03 21:43:00 -
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Oh man,18 pages of arguing, claims, counterclaims, accusations, alleged forgery, and whatever else I forgot already. This thread reminds me of political debates, lots of talking while getting nowhere, with the underlying urge to throw a chair at someone.
But forgery of images, screenshots, movies, etc. is always possible, it's just a matter of difficulty, and your skills as a hacker.
Either way, this was a fun read, and congrats to both sides on whatever actually happened, I stopped paying attention at about page 10 or so. Was a good way to kill time while astrogeology was training to Lv. 2.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Permayla Diota
Originally by: Lilwoofs
Clearly Bob is more skilled and has more experience in combat. But, outside all of the smoke and mirrors how much heart do they have for the long haul?
OMFG, WTS Clue.
Ive watched people go on and on and rant and whine and foam at the mouth about how were "punishing bob" or its a "numbers game" or train this or choo choo that.
The fact of the matter is every single person attacking BoB is giving them the best present they have ever gotten in Eve.
For over a year they have slapped ppl in the face, they have humiliated ppl on the battlefield and they have taken region after region. They have literally begged ANYONE to bring it and now the "Coalition" has found where they left there testicular fortitude and brought it. By the coalitions own admittance, it took percieved odds of 3 to 4 - 1 in there favor before they dared attack the "ebil bob".
Everything you have said folks, everything you have done, has done nothing but FEED THE BEAST. Congratulations, ppl thought the shipyard was the great honeypot. The truth is the entire war is. You send wave after wave against a Pure PVP alliance and lose and then whine ?
The real question you should be asking yourself is not how much heart Bob has for the long haul. The real question is how long before BoB get bored and start to move to end the pew pew. THAT is when its gonna start hurting the coalition where it counts.
Anyway I'm just a empire nub / Worth nothing player / BoB alt / whatever you wanna call me since I dont agree with most of you, but my God please tell me that at least some of you coalition people actually do see the gift your giving Bob ?
Smartest thing I've read in this thread so far.
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The Hand Trade Alliance
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:15:00 -
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Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
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Xelphior
Caldari
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 22:18:27
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
in a fight its not size and firepower
its Skill and Strategy.
bob have proven time and again they can take odds of 3-1 against.
relook at ya facts
added to the fact bob + allies have 3 titans, if a substantial number of ships came in, they'd get nuked multiple times.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:22:00 -
[543]
Originally by: Xelphior
read post by max hammer on page 17, has links that proves there wasnt one, hippo a goonswarm ceo admitted it, all screenied etc, take a look.
Goonswarm CEO?
You know he just got referred in 6 weeks ago, and has absolutely no power, right? He isn't even a somethingawful member.
Oh wait, this is CAOD. Goonswarm CEO!
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:23:00 -
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did a fetus pop? did one not?
know what this reminds me of? princess bride. the part when the short guy and the main character have the 'battle of the wits'
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BoB: All right. Where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right... and who is dead.
Bandwagon: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
BoB: You've made your decision then?
Bandwagon: Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows..blahblahblah(too long of a convo to paste it all)
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in the end its revealed that the main character (bob) has actually set up a no win situation for the short guy (coalition) who then walks blindly into his own death
As is always the case, ppl are going to believe whatever they want to. Nice to finally see the post from bob though! They like to make us wait.. (i think its a form of forum foreplay?)
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Caldari
Underworld
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:26:00 -
[545]
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:30:00 -
[546]
Just to bring up a point, who's to say that they both weren't active, and that one had the aeon and the other a leviathon?
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:31:00 -
[547]
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
lol? This is not ancient greek battle. This is eve. In eve, numbers that are willing, win.
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Xelphior
Caldari
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:37:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
lol? This is not ancient greek battle. This is eve. In eve, numbers that are willing, win.
not always.
many factors decide a battle other than numbers.
1, persons skill
2, the FC abilities
3, control of the field
are some examples.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:40:00 -
[549]
Edited by: Marcus Druallis on 03/04/2007 22:38:22
Originally by: Xelphior
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
lol? This is not ancient greek battle. This is eve. In eve, numbers that are willing, win.
not always.
many factors decide a battle other than numbers.
1, persons skill
2, the FC abilities
3, control of the field
are some examples.
We aren't talking 'bout Privvy's facing off against BoB here. It's the northern coalition, and you know damn well that if the forces evenly matched off, the firepower that they brought would have overwhelmed them. BoB is damn good, but they are not invincible. (Insert tinfoil here).
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:41:00 -
[550]
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
i saw that movie.
I'm pretty sure the Persians were trying to crash the node.
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Tunajuice
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:43:00 -
[551]
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Just to bring up a point, who's to say that they both weren't active, and that one had the aeon and the other a leviathon?
Reports of spies planted in BOB.
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Xlander
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:45:00 -
[552]
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Just to bring up a point, who's to say that they both weren't active, and that one had the aeon and the other a leviathon?
Because before the attack your own coalition spy posted the pic that showed only one item being made in a capital shipyard in the system. If there had been both an Aeon and a Titan cooking in that system his pic would have shown both cooking. That is why this whole conversation came up about the Aeon in the first place because it was your spy that found something cooking in the system, only it was the Aeon in the other shipyard instead of a Titan in the shipyard you destroyed.
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Xelphior
Caldari
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:49:00 -
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see the problem witht he northen alliances is, the misconception they have about bobs so called pets, they are anything but toothless, and considering i knew all that was happening, bobs cap fleet wasnt much smaller than CT's, plus several fleets around target area, why you think the CT's fleet had to try a jumpbridge as the area was locked down. tbh if it did turn out to be a full on slug fest, id love to see how it went, id say theres a good chance of either side winning that one
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 22:55:00 -
[554]
Originally by: Xelphior
Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 22:18:27
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
in a fight its not size and firepower
its Skill and Strategy.
bob have proven time and again they can take odds of 3-1 against.
relook at ya facts
added to the fact bob + allies have 3 titans, if a substantial number of ships came in, they'd get nuked multiple times.
Skill in F-T ????!!!!! the biggest majority of the coalition fleet in F-T never loaded the screen...
Strategie in F-T ????? The biggest majority of the coalition fleet werent even allowed to jump in. A Titan wasnt alowed to jump in, 100 tec2 BS from D2 werent alowed to jump in... almost 1000 ships werent alowed to jump in.
3-1 odds ???? The coalition fleet in F-T was outnumbered because someone remembered to cap the system.
After your statment I have to ask...Have you even been there ???
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Xelphior
Caldari
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:06:00 -
[555]
Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 23:04:15
look at corp history and then ask me that =p think ul find i saw lots and heard everything.
as i said, they had a tactical advantage, and you became victim to it. whats amusing is the fact u lost 50 cap ships to an empty pos and ive heard nothing but whaa whaa whaa from the coalition thus far, kinda makes ya look like kids.
anyways, its night night time for me, g'nite.
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:14:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Xelphior
hippo a goonswarm ceo
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:28:00 -
[557]
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
hmm best not to use an example for skill against numbers when numbers overwhelmed skill at the end, granted this is only referencing the movie as I am not privy to every detail of the actual event, but lemme break down your example here
*spoilers*at the end of the movie all the somewhat talentless allies of the spartans abandon them and the spartans are obliterated save the one who left with the abandoning allies to tell the story..... all because the persians found a way around there perfect defense strategy(in your example the bob skill and equipment gap) so you are basically quoting something that validates the exact counterpoint to your argument*spoilers*
in the immortal words of the Guiness Draught tv comercial guys.... Brilliant!
Originally by: Stamm
Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 03/04/2007 23:27:30
the lesson to be learned, it seems, is that there are limits to the number of pilots a single system can handle. the coalition complains that 1k pilots could not enter the system. Why would you base your plan on the assumption that you can FIT anywhere near that number in a system, when you know you cant? unless your only plan was to crash the node. A smart commander would understand the limitations presented by server architecture and current technology, and work with them. for example, lets say you know you wont be able to get more than 400 ships in system. You get the ships in first that you need most, followed by those you need alil less, ect. and you plan your strategy to account for the numbers you can field, not the numbers you would like to field.
having a plan relying on the ability to place 1500 pilots in a system system, never mind whatever pilots the enemy has placed, is folly.
my two cents at least. bawk
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Kespii
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:38:00 -
[559]
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
hahahah, this is a prime example of the priorities of the coalition. Skills > Zerg...it works like that in most mmos
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Kespii
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:40:00 -
[560]
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
lol? This is not ancient greek battle. This is eve. In eve, numbers that are willing, win.
This line of thinking is why Bob will win. There is a significant level of skill involved in fleet combat, but you wouldnt know that, you guys didnt even put up a fleet battle in the ascn war
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Kespii
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:43:00 -
[561]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Xelphior
Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 22:18:27
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
in a fight its not size and firepower
its Skill and Strategy.
bob have proven time and again they can take odds of 3-1 against.
relook at ya facts
added to the fact bob + allies have 3 titans, if a substantial number of ships came in, they'd get nuked multiple times.
Skill in F-T ????!!!!! the biggest majority of the coalition fleet in F-T never loaded the screen...
Strategie in F-T ????? The biggest majority of the coalition fleet werent even allowed to jump in. A Titan wasnt alowed to jump in, 100 tec2 BS from D2 werent alowed to jump in... almost 1000 ships werent alowed to jump in.
3-1 odds ???? The coalition fleet in F-T was outnumbered because someone remembered to cap the system.
After your statment I have to ask...Have you even been there ???
if your guys entered the system there would of been NO BATTLE AT ALL
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EzSnake
Caldari
Cereal Killerz
deadspace society
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Posted - 2007.04.03 23:46:00 -
[562]
Originally by: SirMolle
Edited by: SirMolle on 02/04/2007 15:04:19
The system of F-T always had 2 Capital Shipyards, one building, the other empty, moon 2.1 and 6.1. We have had 2 serious attacks, one on the 2.1 POS, one on the 6.1 POS. Both times, the towers were reinforced by AAA.
The first attempt at a kill on 2.1, was blocked out totally, as the coalition never managed to get a fleet into the system. We closed down the routes properly, and by the time they were anywhere near the POS had been healed.
After this, we knew they would try again, and again, so... the trap was set. We reinforced the 6.1 POS with as much gear as we could, anchored 6 large bubbles around it, and generally left the 2.1 POS with no new gear or anything, everything was concentrated on the 6.1 POS.
Nice try Molle, very believable, but ALL propaganda and now I DO believe you lost a Titan or Mother ship in that POS...(and I'm sure someone else pointed this out already (don't have time to read 19 pages) but just in-case I'll post it)....
According to your post, quoted above, they just took out 2.1 POS as part of your "trap" and nothing was being built.
However according to your own sides FRAPS, HERE!!! it clearly shows the POS under attack is indeed the 6-1 POS!!!!
I think the term is ...Proof or STFU...Well guess what time it is for you!
Proof made! least proof enough to debunk your "we planned this big trap" propaganda.
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eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 04/04/2007 00:14:19
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Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:16:00 -
[564]
Originally by: EzSnake
Originally by: SirMolle
Edited by: SirMolle on 02/04/2007 15:04:19
The system of F-T always had 2 Capital Shipyards, one building, the other empty, moon 2.1 and 6.1. We have had 2 serious attacks, one on the 2.1 POS, one on the 6.1 POS. Both times, the towers were reinforced by AAA.
The first attempt at a kill on 2.1, was blocked out totally, as the coalition never managed to get a fleet into the system. We closed down the routes properly, and by the time they were anywhere near the POS had been healed.
After this, we knew they would try again, and again, so... the trap was set. We reinforced the 6.1 POS with as much gear as we could, anchored 6 large bubbles around it, and generally left the 2.1 POS with no new gear or anything, everything was concentrated on the 6.1 POS.
Nice try Molle, very believable, but ALL propaganda and now I DO believe you lost a Titan or Mother ship in that POS...(and I'm sure someone else pointed this out already (don't have time to read 19 pages) but just in-case I'll post it)....
According to your post, quoted above, they just took out 2.1 POS as part of your "trap" and nothing was being built.
However according to your own sides FRAPS, HERE!!! it clearly shows the POS under attack is indeed the 6-1 POS!!!!
I think the term is ...Proof or STFU...Well guess what time it is for you!
Proof made! least proof enough to debunk your "we planned this big trap" propaganda.
Idiot...he said 6-1 was the trap. reading comprehension ftw!
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Ka'lorn Font'a
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:23:00 -
[565]
Edited by: Ka''lorn Font''a on 04/04/2007 00:23:15
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Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:24:00 -
[566]
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Originally by: EzSnake
Originally by: SirMolle
Edited by: SirMolle on 02/04/2007 15:04:19
The system of F-T always had 2 Capital Shipyards, one building, the other empty, moon 2.1 and 6.1. We have had 2 serious attacks, one on the 2.1 POS, one on the 6.1 POS. Both times, the towers were reinforced by AAA.
The first attempt at a kill on 2.1, was blocked out totally, as the coalition never managed to get a fleet into the system. We closed down the routes properly, and by the time they were anywhere near the POS had been healed.
After this, we knew they would try again, and again, so... the trap was set. We reinforced the 6.1 POS with as much gear as we could, anchored 6 large bubbles around it, and generally left the 2.1 POS with no new gear or anything, everything was concentrated on the 6.1 POS.
Nice try Molle, very believable, but ALL propaganda and now I DO believe you lost a Titan or Mother ship in that POS...(and I'm sure someone else pointed this out already (don't have time to read 19 pages) but just in-case I'll post it)....
According to your post, quoted above, they just took out 2.1 POS as part of your "trap" and nothing was being built.
However according to your own sides FRAPS, HERE!!! it clearly shows the POS under attack is indeed the 6-1 POS!!!!
I think the term is ...Proof or STFU...Well guess what time it is for you!
Proof made! least proof enough to debunk your "we planned this big trap" propaganda.
Hmm so it was infront of our eyes alllll the time?!!
Is this "put in a new topic" worthy?
LOL, wow. If you guys are so dense, no wonder you are doing so well in this and your last war.
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Edited by: Heidi Fleiss on 04/04/2007 00:42:36
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Shinjuro
ToXiC.
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:52:00 -
[568]
Originally by: Max Hammer
Originally by: Shinjuro
Well if this story is in fact true.. @ the coalition.
But if my memory serves me right... ya ok I believe everything molle says because afterall there never were any devs in bob.
i will only point you to a my first post in this page of this thread and on links in it. and reed whole thread before posting bunch of crap
Since the point of my post had nothing to do with how much was lost from both sides.. ya you made no sense.
I could care less at how much was lost. I just laugh at molle (or any other bob directors) expecting anyone to believe half of what they say in light of the "dev misconduct" (DAMN I LUV SAYING THAT!!)
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:58:00 -
[569]
Originally by: Kespii
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Xelphior
Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 22:18:27
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
in a fight its not size and firepower
its Skill and Strategy.
bob have proven time and again they can take odds of 3-1 against.
relook at ya facts
added to the fact bob + allies have 3 titans, if a substantial number of ships came in, they'd get nuked multiple times.
Skill in F-T ????!!!!! the biggest majority of the coalition fleet in F-T never loaded the screen...
Strategie in F-T ????? The biggest majority of the coalition fleet werent even allowed to jump in. A Titan wasnt alowed to jump in, 100 tec2 BS from D2 werent alowed to jump in... almost 1000 ships werent alowed to jump in.
3-1 odds ???? The coalition fleet in F-T was outnumbered because someone remembered to cap the system.
After your statment I have to ask...Have you even been there ???
if your guys entered the system there would of been NO BATTLE AT ALL
So the alternative was give the numbers advantage to the side that was outnumbered, and remove all the defense to the coalition capital fleet that jumped in ... Think about that for a minute... yes I agree with you it sucks.
And please dont tell me of the dev blog with the system cap, in JV1V was never used. The high losses for the coalition had nothing to do with skills, tactic or wahtever you can call it. It was due to external interference, like it or not.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.04 00:59:00 -
[570]
Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
i saw that movie.
I'm pretty sure the Persians were trying to crash the node.
Pretty sure the persians won in reality too.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.04 01:01:00 -
[571]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Xelphior
Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 22:18:27
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
in a fight its not size and firepower
its Skill and Strategy.
bob have proven time and again they can take odds of 3-1 against.
relook at ya facts
added to the fact bob + allies have 3 titans, if a substantial number of ships came in, they'd get nuked multiple times.
Skill in F-T ????!!!!! the biggest majority of the coalition fleet in F-T never loaded the screen...
Strategie in F-T ????? The biggest majority of the coalition fleet werent even allowed to jump in. A Titan wasnt alowed to jump in, 100 tec2 BS from D2 werent alowed to jump in... almost 1000 ships werent alowed to jump in.
3-1 odds ???? The coalition fleet in F-T was outnumbered because someone remembered to cap the system.
After your statment I have to ask...Have you even been there ???
Dont forget the bob + co. support fleets that didnt get in, its not like the lag was choosy or anything.
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Drosselmeyer
Blue Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.04 01:11:00 -
[572]
I didn't have time to real through the entire thread but the double standards difference alliances are held to I've noticed from my short time playing Eve are starting to get fairly amusing.
What are these "skills" that BoB has that the entire Eve community does not? During the ASCN vs BoB war I recall several threads about how BoB had their clients set up so they could log in faster than ASCN could after node crashes allowing them to gain massive one sided fleet battles with almost no losses on their part.
At the time this was just considered another one of BoBs "skills". Now when other alliances attempt to use the same tactics BoB pioneered against BoB its lame explioting and the devs take steps to prevent it?
Seems fairly odd especially when people complain about how these node crash battles the coalition uses are so terrible because theres "no battle at all" Isn't that how BoB takes down enemy Titans? Making sure theres no battle at all? Of course its BoB's "skills" then right? Not lame exploiting like node crashing
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.04 01:28:00 -
[573]
Originally by: Doddy
Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
i saw that movie.
I'm pretty sure the Persians were trying to crash the node.
Pretty sure the persians won in reality too.
Well since we're drawing RL parallels here, technically the Persians won the battle at horrendous cost but lost the war not very long thereafter.
On the other hand they didn't actually lose any of their regions or outposts iirc
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Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 01:37:00 -
[574]
Originally by: Doddy
Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
i saw that movie.
I'm pretty sure the Persians were trying to crash the node.
Pretty sure the persians won in reality too.
This is not reality. Spartins could not resurect and come back for more. BoB can.
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raven415
Caldari
Special Projects Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.04 02:06:00 -
[575]
Edited by: raven415 on 04/04/2007 02:03:11
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: maarud
Originally by: Galactic Overlord
Titan or no, it makes no difference. It never did. Would've been nice of course, however that POS was still just one checkbox on the long list labeled "For Removal." The coalition has the desire, the resources, and the one thing that is absolutely unstoppable. Numbers.
Make your time.
Nice try, but if you're gonna end up losing this many dreads and ISK everytime you want to take down a POS, you're going to be going no where slowly
You guys still miss the fact they focused on the pos, not the enemy dreads or motherships.
- Gob
so why didn't they take the 2nd one down wile they were there ?
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.04.04 02:14:00 -
[576]
Originally by: Doddy
Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: Centerfold
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
Maybe you need to go see '300'. Numbers don't win against skill. If there was no lag, BoB would slaughter Persian's wave after wave. Coalition should be thankfull that there was system limit. They only lost 50 cap ships. They could have lost them all.
i saw that movie.
I'm pretty sure the Persians were trying to crash the node.
Pretty sure the persians won in reality too.
If I remeber correctly Athenian navy beat the persian navy at sea at about the time as they spartan lead army beat them on the ground. Persians won the battle, but lost the war.
Ironic eh? This war is allot like what happened back than if you think about it.
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Originally by: Ductoris
At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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EzSnake
Caldari
Cereal Killerz
deadspace society
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Posted - 2007.04.04 02:57:00 -
[577]
Originally by: Sexorella hotz
Originally by: EzSnake
Originally by: SirMolle
Edited by: SirMolle on 02/04/2007 15:04:19
The system of F-T always had 2 Capital Shipyards, one building, the other empty, moon 2.1 and 6.1. We have had 2 serious attacks, one on the 2.1 POS, one on the 6.1 POS. Both times, the towers were reinforced by AAA.
The first attempt at a kill on 2.1, was blocked out totally, as the coalition never managed to get a fleet into the system. We closed down the routes properly, and by the time they were anywhere near the POS had been healed.
After this, we knew they would try again, and again, so... the trap was set. We reinforced the 6.1 POS with as much gear as we could, anchored 6 large bubbles around it, and generally left the 2.1 POS with no new gear or anything, everything was concentrated on the 6.1 POS.
Nice try Molle, very believable, but ALL propaganda and now I DO believe you lost a Titan or Mother ship in that POS...(and I'm sure someone else pointed this out already (don't have time to read 19 pages) but just in-case I'll post it)....
According to your post, quoted above, they just took out 2.1 POS as part of your "trap" and nothing was being built.
However according to your own sides FRAPS, HERE!!! it clearly shows the POS under attack is indeed the 6-1 POS!!!!
I think the term is ...Proof or STFU...Well guess what time it is for you!
Proof made! least proof enough to debunk your "we planned this big trap" propaganda.
Idiot...he said 6-1 was the trap. reading comprehension ftw!
Lets take another part of the first post then to make my point clearer, to the feeble minded...who obviously think they are better than anyone.
Originally by: SirMolle
The POS dies. The POS that is empty, gives up, and, explodes.
According to his words the 2.1 POS was the Empty one, and the Empty one popped....
However, the video clearly shows the action at 6.1 POS (the re-enforced one) where everything was at (according to his own words).
Explain how I'm getting this wrong....But I can only go off the lies/mis-information and footage that they supplied!
I know....
Your saying BoB left the 2.1 pos completely defenseless while building a MS, and focused on defending a POS that had nothing in it... I don't see that happening by ANYONE in game!!
Get real man!!!! and you have the audacity to call me an idiot!
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Boci
The Legion.
Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.04 03:41:00 -
[578]
Originally by: EzSnake
stuff
Not to give you an excuse to flame, but you need to be careful about what you try and quote as fact, especially when the info is there for anyone to see.
From Molle's post:
Originally by: SirMolle
The first attempt at a kill on 2.1, was blocked out totally, as the coalition never managed to get a fleet into the system.
After this, we knew they would try again, and again, so... the trap was set. We reinforced the 6.1 POS with as much gear as we could, anchored 6 large bubbles around it, and generally left the 2.1 POS with no new gear or anything, everything was concentrated on the 6.1 POS. After a few days, the trap slammed shut. AAA reinforced the POS just before downtime, after trying the same thing, the day before, but running out of time before downtime hit.
So, here is the situation, which you would be aware of if you had actually read the post. Both capital shipyard locations were known. Both had fleets attack them in hopes of destruction, both failed. Word gets out that something "big" was being built. Due to forsight from BoB with the builder corp, there is no spy available to confirm which of the two exactly is building the ship. Therefore, there are 3 possible courses of action. First, ignore it and let it be built. Second, attack both POS. Last, pick one and insure it gets destroyed.
The primary obstacle of the attacking force is knowing which to hit, with no direct intel you can only go off of info you get from sources outside the building corp. Now heres the deal...said spy's can only report what they see happening. Spy sees a MASSIVE build up at the 6-1 pos, full cap fleet, planned titan support, bubbles, hundreds of support craft, the works, while the 2nd POS is unchanged.
Pretend you are the Coalition FC. You KNOW there is something in system worth risking your cap fleet. You KNOW BoB knows you are coming, and you KNOW they will pull out all the stops in defending. Your intel, such as it is, reports the massive build up of defense on the 6-1. Logic tells you, since you have not experienced the trap before, that the massive defense is protecting the Big Ship. Therefore you tell your fleet that 6-1 dies at all costs.
Part of BoB's plan was a gamble. They gambled that the Coalition would attack the POS BoB was defending exclusively, as so many Coalition pilots have spammed; why defend an empty POS? If the Coalition had decided to split its obscenely sized cap fleet between the two, the gamble was lost.
So, why did the trap work? Both POS were attacked previously, and both times they were defended to the fullest. If one was seen as less important, the final target would be obvious, BoBs dedication to their shipyards helped the deception. Prior planning with the build corp limited direct intel, helping the deception. Forcing the Coalition to make its decision based on indirect information on the build location helped the deception.
In the end, Misdirection won the day. Anyone who has served in an armed force in the real world, even arm chair strategists will tell you misdirection is key for almost any military action. BoB executed it perfectly, and the Coalition fell for it.
You are correct in that the fight took place at 6-1 EzSnake, but you need to read more carefully, as Molle also states they set the fight to take place at 6-1, while 2-1 was the build yard.
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.04 04:11:00 -
[579]
Ding, ding. We have a winner.
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Rthor
Gallente
Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 04:35:00 -
[580]
Is it fair to assume that BoB is building a titan at all times?
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Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 04:58:00 -
[581]
Originally by: Boci
Originally by: EzSnake
stuff
Summary.
Excellent summary there, whole thread summarized.
God I hope this is under 24kb
It is :) Kreul Intentions |
EzSnake
Caldari
Cereal Killerz
deadspace society
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Posted - 2007.04.04 04:59:00 -
[582]
Edited by: EzSnake on 04/04/2007 04:56:59
I guess I was reading it w/ biased eyes, and reading what I wanted to, already thinking it was lies/propaganda.
I've re-read Molles first post, after yours, and it does make sense.
My mistake guys...but least I'm man enough to fess up to it.
Thanks Boci...
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 05:14:00 -
[583]
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Ding, ding. We have a winner.
Ding ding, you had a winner on page 3...me, when I stated this (albeit in much shorter fashion) ;)
Pls tell me I win a years supply of T2 nappies :P
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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Icomeinpeace
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.04 05:21:00 -
[584]
Originally by: Necronomicon
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Ding, ding. We have a winner.
Ding ding, you had a winner on page 3...me, when I stated this (albeit in much shorter fashion) ;)
Pls tell me I win a years supply of T2 nappies :P
Yup, a years supply of t2 nappies.I have a feeling you are going to be a very rich man,as those t2 nappies are going to be in high demand over the next while.gratz |
Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 11:52:00 -
[585]
Edited by: Tearavygh Quillam on 04/04/2007 11:56:56
Originally by: Xelphior
Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 22:18:27
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
in a fight its not size and firepower
its Skill and Strategy.
bob have proven time and again they can take odds of 3-1 against.
relook at ya facts
added to the fact bob + allies have 3 titans, if a substantial number of ships came in, they'd get nuked multiple times.
If you were on the battlefield with BoB just for a few times, you'd realize that they don't fight if the odds aren't in their favor. I don't blame them, but you should get facts.
Edit:
And then again:
- there were some 5 fleets with 70+ BS in them on their way.
- 1 fleet of 200 waiting to jump portal in
- 2 titans on Coalition side.
mkay? I'm not sure who would have done the mopping, but neither are you, you're just pretending.
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Kespii
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.04 12:49:00 -
[586]
Originally by: Drosselmeyer
Edited by: Drosselmeyer on 04/04/2007 02:00:15
At the time this was just considered another one of BoBs "skills". Now when other alliances attempt to use the same tactics BoB pioneered against BoB its lame explioting and the devs take steps to prevent it?
proof or stfu. I expect a fraps
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Boci
The Legion.
Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.04 12:49:00 -
[587]
Originally by: EzSnake
Edited by: EzSnake on 04/04/2007 04:56:59
I guess I was reading it w/ biased eyes, and reading what I wanted to, already thinking it was lies/propaganda.
I've re-read Molles first post, after yours, and it does make sense.
My mistake guys...but least I'm man enough to fess up to it.
Thanks Boci...
No worries mate, I have done the same knee jerk posting in the past, don't think anyone is innocent of it :)
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Kespii
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.04 12:53:00 -
[588]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Edited by: Tearavygh Quillam on 04/04/2007 11:56:56
Originally by: Xelphior
Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 22:18:27
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
in a fight its not size and firepower
its Skill and Strategy.
bob have proven time and again they can take odds of 3-1 against.
relook at ya facts
added to the fact bob + allies have 3 titans, if a substantial number of ships came in, they'd get nuked multiple times.
If you were on the battlefield with BoB just for a few times, you'd realize that they don't fight if the odds aren't in their favor. I don't blame them, but you should get facts.
Edit:
And then again:
- there were some 5 fleets with 70+ BS in them on their way.
- 1 fleet of 200 waiting to jump portal in
- 2 titans on Coalition side.
mkay? I'm not sure who would have done the mopping, but neither are you, you're just pretending.
Ha, so if the odds arent in their favor, they just run away or mass logoffski? You have a fraps of that?
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Max Hammer
Black Pearl Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.04 13:52:00 -
[589]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Edited by: Tearavygh Quillam on 04/04/2007 11:56:56
Originally by: Xelphior
Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 22:18:27
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
in a fight its not size and firepower
its Skill and Strategy.
bob have proven time and again they can take odds of 3-1 against.
relook at ya facts
added to the fact bob + allies have 3 titans, if a substantial number of ships came in, they'd get nuked multiple times.
If you were on the battlefield with BoB just for a few times, you'd realize that they don't fight if the odds aren't in their favor. I don't blame them, but you should get facts.
Edit:
And then again:
- there were some 5 fleets with 70+ BS in them on their way.
- 1 fleet of 200 waiting to jump portal in
- 2 titans on Coalition side.
mkay? I'm not sure who would have done the mopping, but neither are you, you're just pretending.
So wait let me get this straight. I was on battlefield with BoB more than few times, and here is my questions now: If they always run when it comes to them jumping their 60-70 people in your 100 - 120 people how the hell that fights happened in first place and how the hell north manage to lose it every time so bad?
Why the hell if BoB run (LOL) every small / medium / large size fight end up with north taking devastating defeats?
You aren't a person to talk about balls, only balls ive seen from Razor is when you had your nano *** gank squads running around Delve and rest of BoB space.
And even in that few cases you had less numbers it is you who always run away. Usually losing crap load of ships while running like headless chickens.
So please dear mister "i know all" in rare cases BoB gang have more people than your gang, why would that be surprising? After all it is you who are attacking them in their home space? And isn't that sad with numbers coalition have that u get in situation where you are outnumbered?
Now for your 5 70 man fleets. In F-T there was only BoB capitals and handful of support for killing cynos. Your capitals jumped in, local jumped to 450, System capped on 700. In same time 2 BoB fleet of 200 are 1 jump away on both entrance points to system, D2 muppets trying to jump 350 people trough jump Bridge and by doing that getting way over cap that was on it, and your 3 fleets trying to get trough 2 BoB and friends fleets like n00bs trying to crush node in disorganization and fear of being spanked yet again. So yes if Servers in this game isn't in this state that 500 people in system is lag fest and if you managed to get that 350 D2 into system and BoB fleet managed to get in from 1 jump away, then u wouldn't lose only 50 capitals, u would lose 90 % of them and that D2 fleet would be massacred as their fleets tends to get massacred in every fleet fight in this war so far.
So my dear mister "i know all and im cool" maybe you should ask yourself why my leader and CEO was first dread to log of when things went from bad to worse, and why that same Ceo, cant be a man and say yes we ****** up properly and got spanked, like Goonswarm and AAA did. No North have to be "Special" as they always have been and insist it was Titan there to make them selfs looks less retarded in their own eyes and even more retarded in everyone else's eyes. In case if you are wondering wtf am i talking about please take look at your alliance mail :)
So long "mister i think i know all because my ceo said so"
On a side note :) If you have any questions please feel free to direct them to our Diplomat Bunnygunny the omicron imperius the Terrible. He needs fresh meat.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 14:16:00 -
[590]
Edited by: Tearavygh Quillam on 04/04/2007 14:27:41
Edited by: Tearavygh Quillam on 04/04/2007 14:25:56
Originally by: Max Hammer
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Edited by: Tearavygh Quillam on 04/04/2007 11:56:56
Originally by: Xelphior
Edited by: Xelphior on 03/04/2007 22:18:27
Originally by: Touched darkness
Its not like BoB would admit to any loss anyway so iŠm doubting this story of theirs .And its clear fact that if there was no lag,BoB would be crushed right there.I mean,look at sheer Coalition firepower in that battle...Lucky,lucky BoB
If you were on the battlefield with BoB just for a few times, you'd realize that they don't fight if the odds aren't in their favor. I don't blame them, but you should get facts.
Edit:
And then again:
- there were some 5 fleets with 70+ BS in them on their way.
- 1 fleet of 200 waiting to jump portal in
- 2 titans on Coalition side.
mkay? I'm not sure who would have done the mopping, but neither are you, you're just pretending.
[me]He said what you can read above[/me]
You're not making any argument against what I said. Read again my last line, I'm not mister "I know all" and I don't pretend to, but don't pretend it either, because you're wrong.
Btw, you're a bit too argumentative for what I had to say... which in its turn makes it not convincing, again
EDIT: Here http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=500938&page=17#507 a corp mate of yours says you're not BoB affiliated, but you claim that you have been in battles with them.
hmmm, mkay. thx, bye.
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ChalSto
The Galactic Empire
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.04 14:56:00 -
[591]
Under normal circumstances IŠm not the guy for smack, but....
Coalition > YEA.....lets WTFPWN them...YARRR
A few days and lagging KBs later...
Coalition > ....but we killed the POS...
Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
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hectiQ
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:56:00 -
[592]
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.04.04 16:57:00 -
[593]
khihi
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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TheHumanity
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Posted - 2007.04.04 17:00:00 -
[594]
Edited by: TheHumanity on 04/04/2007 16:58:08
Accidental post.
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xArmagedunx
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Posted - 2007.04.04 17:01:00 -
[595]
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
WTS: GCSE Maths
Even assuming all the ships were uninsured, that means that each dread would be worth 4.5b...
At current mineral prices, they are 1.5b. Assuming they're insured and t2 fitted, you're looking at less than 500mil loss each.
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lles
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 17:03:00 -
[596]
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
Yes, but untill tonight we have got 27 dreads and a carrier back from CCP
Too bad they took the insurance back tho
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Tholarim
Amarr
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.04 17:33:00 -
[597]
Originally by: lles
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
Yes, but untill tonight we have got 27 dreads and a carrier back from CCP
Too bad they took the insurance back tho
cool, LV can get their titan back to then. And we get our cap yards + imaginary titan back \o/
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 17:35:00 -
[598]
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: lles
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
Yes, but untill tonight we have got 27 dreads and a carrier back from CCP
Too bad they took the insurance back tho
cool, LV can get their titan back to then. And we get our cap yards + imaginary titan back \o/
Did the POS lag? I bet it didn't.
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Tholarim
Amarr
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.04 17:40:00 -
[599]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: lles
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
Yes, but untill tonight we have got 27 dreads and a carrier back from CCP
Too bad they took the insurance back tho
cool, LV can get their titan back to then. And we get our cap yards + imaginary titan back \o/
Did the POS lag? I bet it didn't.
I normally don't repsond to fanbois foaming at the mouth, so i'll make an execption becus your intellectual responses keep amazing me.
Allthough the pos didn't, the ones defending did lag. So it went down becus we went outta shield transfer rannge, and couldn't lock enemy dreads and kill them as fast as we should. while the attackers only had to lock 1 thing and shoot. So be less bitter, and try and see the humour in some posts, you sad man.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 17:48:00 -
[600]
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: lles
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
Yes, but untill tonight we have got 27 dreads and a carrier back from CCP
Too bad they took the insurance back tho
Huh? Sense when does CCP reimburse for lag kills? Especially when everyone was EXPECTING lag to ensue. If that is true then why not reimburse LV or anyone else for that matter because of lag? Or how about reimbursing LV for their POS loss because goons crashed the node? Or for that matter my hyperion getting blown to hell and back thanks to Evil Thugs Titan blast because I could not decloak in time to turn on my DMG T2?
As the saying goes: Proof or STFU
In the BoB ASCN war I was reimbursed for a total of 4 or 5 (lost count) T2 sniper tempests due to lag. So yes, CCP certainly reimburses for that. ****ty thing was that you still lose the loot, and replacing all those T2 1400s is still a bit costly and not always easy out in 0.0.
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Buxaroo
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.04.04 18:13:00 -
[601]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: lles
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
Yes, but untill tonight we have got 27 dreads and a carrier back from CCP
Too bad they took the insurance back tho
Huh? Sense when does CCP reimburse for lag kills? Especially when everyone was EXPECTING lag to ensue. If that is true then why not reimburse LV or anyone else for that matter because of lag? Or how about reimbursing LV for their POS loss because goons crashed the node? Or for that matter my hyperion getting blown to hell and back thanks to Evil Thugs Titan blast because I could not decloak in time to turn on my DMG T2?
As the saying goes: Proof or STFU
In the BoB ASCN war I was reimbursed for a total of 4 or 5 (lost count) T2 sniper tempests due to lag. So yes, CCP certainly reimburses for that. ****ty thing was that you still lose the loot, and replacing all those T2 1400s is still a bit costly and not always easy out in 0.0.
Well I mispoke. I meant that I was under the impression that CCP from now on (couple of months ago not sure) was not going to reimburse lag kills. Hell, I petitioned a kill 7-8 months ago because of the lag and getting pwned by npc rats and got my raven back, minus the mods that dropped as loot AND the insurance
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Black Pearl Cartel
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[602]
Originally by: lles
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
Yes, but untill tonight we have got 27 dreads and a carrier back from CCP
Too bad they took the insurance back tho
yea and all of us are santa clauses rofl
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Use Of Weapons
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Posted - 2007.04.05 00:08:00 -
[603]
Nicely played
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 01:15:00 -
[604]
Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 05/04/2007 01:12:04
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: lles
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
Yes, but untill tonight we have got 27 dreads and a carrier back from CCP
Too bad they took the insurance back tho
cool, LV can get their titan back to then. And we get our cap yards + imaginary titan back \o/
Did the POS lag? I bet it didn't.
I normally don't repsond to fanbois foaming at the mouth, so i'll make an execption becus your intellectual responses keep amazing me.
Allthough the pos didn't, the ones defending did lag. So it went down becus we went outta shield transfer rannge, and couldn't lock enemy dreads and kill them as fast as we should. while the attackers only had to lock 1 thing and shoot. So be less bitter, and try and see the humour in some posts, you sad man.
Not that the coalition didnt have 400 pilots to jump in or anything. Of course not, completly irrelevent to the current topic of ifs and buts.
Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Amarr
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.05 03:52:00 -
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/me wonders if people still need examples of pets
lol jk ppls just came to mind after reading that pet thread =p
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ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.05 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 05/04/2007 01:12:04
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: lles
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
Yes, but untill tonight we have got 27 dreads and a carrier back from CCP
Too bad they took the insurance back tho
cool, LV can get their titan back to then. And we get our cap yards + imaginary titan back \o/
Did the POS lag? I bet it didn't.
I normally don't repsond to fanbois foaming at the mouth, so i'll make an execption becus your intellectual responses keep amazing me.
Allthough the pos didn't, the ones defending did lag. So it went down becus we went outta shield transfer rannge, and couldn't lock enemy dreads and kill them as fast as we should. while the attackers only had to lock 1 thing and shoot. So be less bitter, and try and see the humour in some posts, you sad man.
Not that the coalition didnt have 400 pilots to jump in or anything. Of course not, completly irrelevent to the current topic of ifs and buts.
Not that BoB's allies didn't have hundreds (I don't know the exact count) of ships in multiple fleets right nearby and not in system which would have followed the coalition support fleet in. Totally irrelevant.
Look, the whole "our support wasn't allowed to jump in" debate is ridiculous. Everyone knows what would have happend. Support jumps in, node crashes, while everyone is trying to log in, more support jumps in, more coalition capitals jump in and take out POS with little resistance. Only you're forgetting the last part which I don't think the coalition would have liked so much... BoB's extra support fleets jump in after the Coalition, crashing the node again, then everyone gets to play "try to activate a module with 1500 people in local." Yes, that would have been much better.
Any implication that some sort of battle involving support ships would have happened inside the system is just fantasy.
At least this way your dreads were able to fire.
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Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.05 07:02:00 -
[607]
Bleh........
As time passes in this game nothing coming from molle or his employees is to be taken seriosly.
They've lied from the beginning, it has been proofed.
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Mercenaries of Andosia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.05 09:32:00 -
[608]
So the coalition finally get schooled, and hard. Your support couldn't warp in - allied support couldnt warp in. You knew it was a trap, you took the risk.
I'm not getting why ANY would be reimbursed.
Funny to finally see RA on the recieving end of the shafting. And the whinges and gripes that went along with it. Can someone point me to a thread where BoB have said "We only losted because of the lags, omgz lag!!1one?". Perhaps there is one, but i'm yet to see it.
Your excuses will be your undoing. I'm sure class is back soon kids, don't forget your expensive mods!
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Zzleeper
Amarr
levisomnus spectatrix
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Posted - 2007.04.05 09:56:00 -
[609]
Well, how can we believe a word that SirMolle is telling us..
EVOL have lied in the past about having NO DEV/GM/ISD in BOB and then T20 got pulled out of the magicians hat..
All lies i tell you!
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Lord Guffy
Minmatar
Lame Duck Logistics
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Posted - 2007.04.05 11:11:00 -
[610]
Edited by: Lord Guffy on 05/04/2007 11:08:18
Originally by: Zzleeper
Well, how can we believe a word that SirMolle is telling us..
EVOL have lied in the past about having NO DEV/GM/ISD in BOB and then T20 got pulled out of the magicians hat..
All lies i tell you!
What a mature post.
Oh, btw, I bet my dad could beat up your dad. And you smell.
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D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:15:00 -
[611]
Originally by: Lord Guffy
Edited by: Lord Guffy on 05/04/2007 11:08:18
Originally by: Zzleeper
Well, how can we believe a word that SirMolle is telling us..
EVOL have lied in the past about having NO DEV/GM/ISD in BOB and then T20 got pulled out of the magicians hat..
All lies i tell you!
What a mature post.
Oh, btw, I bet my dad could beat up your dad. And you smell.
your the one making yourself look like the child posting replys like that. the guy has a point molle has lied and no one belives a word of what he says now
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FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 12:19:00 -
[612]
Originally by: Martin Mckenna
Originally by: Lord Guffy
Edited by: Lord Guffy on 05/04/2007 11:08:18
Originally by: Zzleeper
Well, how can we believe a word that SirMolle is telling us..
EVOL have lied in the past about having NO DEV/GM/ISD in BOB and then T20 got pulled out of the magicians hat..
All lies i tell you!
What a mature post.
Oh, btw, I bet my dad could beat up your dad. And you smell.
your the one making yourself look like the child posting replys like that. the guy has a point molle has lied and no one belives a word of what he says now
Ah...Denial, the first stage of acceptance.
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Minmatar
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.05 14:25:00 -
[613]
Originally by: LoxyRider
Aeons are ugly tho!
aint that the truth, but they tank like a *****
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Nebba Kenezzer
Minmatar
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.06 00:28:00 -
[614]
So much for the Illuminati
Nebba - The Vocal Majority
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Cmd Woodlouse
moon7empler
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.06 00:37:00 -
[615]
There is no truth as long as it is yours alone.
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sci0gon
Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.04.06 02:41:00 -
[616]
Edited by: sci0gon on 06/04/2007 02:40:39
Edited by: sci0gon on 06/04/2007 02:39:37
Originally by: Rjindael
Test Server FTW :)
my advice would be to jump onto a test server and check for yourself for a anchored tower that you know to of existed on tranquility already for say 3-6 months..... i forget when the last sp update was
anyway from what i've seen from the test server the current pos deployments are not active on sisi. So that should rule out your claims that they are screenshots taken from there.
Originally by: darkfuntime
Two Cap poses in one system.
ever heard of a decoy? it is possible that they may of used that to lure you into believing that there was infact two ships being built. maybe it did have a ship building, maybe it didnt. im sure with the coalations spy network they'll soon find out
Originally by: Drosselmeyer
Now when other alliances attempt to use the same tactics BoB pioneered against BoB its lame explioting and the devs take steps to prevent it?
how have they taken steps to stop logging in fast? i was doing that since a few months after i started playing eve. it seemed like common sense to me.
Originally by: Drosselmeyer
Seems fairly odd especially when people complain about how these node crash battles the coalition uses are so terrible because theres "no battle at all" Isn't that how BoB takes down enemy Titans? Making sure theres no battle at all? Of course its BoB's "skills" then right? Not lame exploiting like node crashing
i believe its more to do with the game code then anything for node crashes to happen. If that was more stable then it would be able to hold more players in instead of putting a cap on the amount of players allowed into one system. Taking this information into account about the amount of players thrown into one system to cause the node to crash does benifit those who are doing so and it can be rather anoying if your in the middle of something and that happens, hence people moaning about people forcing the node to crash.
I do however fail to see the point between bob taking down a enemy titan and node crashes.
From what i've read on these boards, they did it through two methods;
1) Cyvok logged with agro, they probed him down and obliterated him
2) They used a alt (spy) in D2's alliance to smartbomb the titan pilot before he logged.
Anyway the use of spys or killing a logged titan due to agro timer is not a exploit in my eyes. cheap kills yea but still a kill none the less. yes its true they havent actually done taken down a titan in actual combat yet but who knows what the future holds? both sides have plans and im sure mistakes will be made.
For your sake (titan pilots) i hope you learn by their mistakes
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.07 07:25:00 -
[617]
It's not BoB's job to convince you clowns that there was no titan beyond a shadow of a doubt. The fact is that the coalition has hit a roadblock called BoB space, much like I predicted over a month ago. They have seen firsthand just how cunning and quickly bob and friends can mobilize to stop and counter any threat, as well as playing the war of attrition and slowly working down morale in the time between important battles. The north tried in fountain, go nowhere, they tried in querious, got nowhere, they tried in period basis, also got nowhere, and finally they tried in Delve, and got nowhere. Perhaps the coalition proper really hasn't had a large morale hit at this point, but I'm sure that the leadership has had one, realizing the task at hand might be more then they can handle. This then becomes a desperate situation with the leadership looking for something, ANYTHING to strike back HARD and make some progress. F-T presented this oppurtunity.
The evidence for the titan being built probably started as a rumor and was let to spread as it created motivation for the cap pilots to go into what was certainly going to be a suicide op for many of them. If there was hard evidence of a Titan actually being built, I'm sure a person in a leadership position among the coalition would of made a long post with that evidence validating their sacrafice on the forums. So far no dice. All we have are footsoldiers rambling on about how BoB are liers and everything they say and their friends say is false. The plain fact is that the coalition leadership leeroyed a good portion of their capital fleet to kill a pos that they were not even certain contained a titan. I know it's a game and sometimes it's fun to just suicide into the fray and see how many you can kill, but mobilizing and ultimatly losing that kind of firepower over an unfounded rumor is pretty irresponsible.
On the bright side, how bout those trit prices eh?
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.07 10:04:00 -
[618]
Edited by: DeadDuck on 07/04/2007 10:01:59
Edited by: DeadDuck on 07/04/2007 10:01:19
Originally by: Troubadour
It's not BoB's job to convince you clowns ...
Try to keep the level would you ?...
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RaBbLe66
Amarr
Amarr Dissidents Club
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Posted - 2007.04.07 10:18:00 -
[619]
Quote:
It's not BoB's job to convince you clowns that there was no titan beyond a shadow of a doubt. The fact is that the coalition has hit a roadblock called BoB space,
Not much of a road block, I was in Delve Thursday and yesterday, around the Alamo and local systems I saw D2, Goons, Snigg, North East Swat, a few AAA, RAT (most of who tried to kill my poor shuttle !!) I saw a total of 2 BoB in space, lots docked , but strangely 90% of the Docked BoB were not in their stns but in NPC stns, when I hung around in a system the did indock, stay right on docking range to see who was outside, but not a single aggressive act from any of them.
The Anti- BoB forces had at least 3 gate camps deep in BoB soveriegn space that I ran through.
If thats a road block the coalition traffic is driving right through it..
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thoth foc
Elcyion Lacar
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Posted - 2007.04.07 10:44:00 -
[620]
Originally by: lles
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
Yes, but untill tonight we have got 27 dreads and a carrier back from CCP
Too bad they took the insurance back tho
Getting the ships back from CCP doesnt matter, the loses are only a measure of the failure of the op. They measure 2 metrics, the failure of the leadership to produce a decent plan.. and the failure of the pilots to adapt to the situation as well as their bob eqivalents. Getting the ships returned solves neither failure.. As ppl like Malachon Draco show.. getting 4 or 5 ships returned just allows them to fail again and again..
The real question is have the appropriate ppl learnt from the failure..
That is the only measure by which the coalition can save face in this situation, and that, is a victory they cant win on the forum..
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xBOS (CA)
xATUK (.5.)
DICE (BOB)
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Hel Kali
Caldari
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.07 10:47:00 -
[621]
What SirMole said : Propaganda only
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DTee
The Huns
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:00:00 -
[622]
Edited by: DTee on 07/04/2007 10:56:15
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
There is no truth as long as it is yours alone.
Right on cue. I've been waiting for a 1 liner woodhouse. You make me proud!
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Izzy Pol
Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:18:00 -
[623]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Edited by: DeadDuck on 07/04/2007 10:01:59
Edited by: DeadDuck on 07/04/2007 10:01:19
Originally by: Troubadour
It's not BoB's job to convince you clowns ...
Try to keep the level would you ?...
I agree. This is an insult to all hard working clowns!
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:53:00 -
[624]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Edited by: DeadDuck on 07/04/2007 10:01:59
Edited by: DeadDuck on 07/04/2007 10:01:19
Originally by: Troubadour
It's not BoB's job to convince you clowns ...
Try to keep the level would you ?...
I'm not here to make friends of enemies or try to give some kind of opinion that will please everyone. I simply see things for how they are and say them. If the truth hurts, so be it. But I'm simply the messenger. The attack on F-T was a blunder of epic proportions based on shotty intel and nothing more.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:58:00 -
[625]
Originally by: Troubadour
The attack on F-T was a blunder of epic proportions based on shotty intel and nothing more.
Unfortunately thats about the truth of it ... and its probably gonna be the nail in the coalition's coffin.
Failure of such proportions rarely transpires without consequence.
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James 315
Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.07 16:18:00 -
[626]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Unfortunately thats about the truth of it ... and its probably gonna be the nail in the coalition's coffin.
Failure of such proportions rarely transpires without consequence.
Maybe the consequence will be their realization that you don't blob in one system against the one-system-blob masters, and instead attack simultaneously in multiple locations? (As in the first month of the war where they attacked BoB in the north, MC in the south, and LV in the east and gobbled up station after station.)
On the other hand, maybe you're right, losing those fifty capital ships is too much for D2, AAA, RedSwarm, etc. to bear and they'd better pack up and head to empire space.
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sci0gon
Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.04.07 19:16:00 -
[627]
Originally by: James 315
losing those fifty capital ships is too much for D2, AAA, RedSwarm, etc. to bear and they'd better pack up and head to empire space.
It seems Wotankn 1 of D2's Ex titan pilots seems to have already took that step
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.07 20:36:00 -
[628]
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: lles
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
Yes, but untill tonight we have got 27 dreads and a carrier back from CCP
Too bad they took the insurance back tho
Getting the ships back from CCP doesnt matter, the loses are only a measure of the failure of the op. They measure 2 metrics, the failure of the leadership to produce a decent plan.. and the failure of the pilots to adapt to the situation as well as their bob eqivalents. Getting the ships returned solves neither failure.. As ppl like Malachon Draco show.. getting 4 or 5 ships returned just allows them to fail again and again..
The real question is have the appropriate ppl learnt from the failure..
That is the only measure by which the coalition can save face in this situation, and that, is a victory they cant win on the forum..
And if I say the opposite of what you've just said what would you say next?
Spin, spin, sugar...
Maybe they were refunded, maybe not, I didn't loose one, so I can' talk from experience. But the ones that were refunded proved that CCP agrees the game malfunction and that my dear is the only proof we need.
Now, go find a better spin, plz.
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General Windypops
Gallente
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.07 21:35:00 -
[629]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: lles
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
Yes, but untill tonight we have got 27 dreads and a carrier back from CCP
Too bad they took the insurance back tho
Getting the ships back from CCP doesnt matter, the loses are only a measure of the failure of the op. They measure 2 metrics, the failure of the leadership to produce a decent plan.. and the failure of the pilots to adapt to the situation as well as their bob eqivalents. Getting the ships returned solves neither failure.. As ppl like Malachon Draco show.. getting 4 or 5 ships returned just allows them to fail again and again..
The real question is have the appropriate ppl learnt from the failure..
That is the only measure by which the coalition can save face in this situation, and that, is a victory they cant win on the forum..
And if I say the opposite of what you've just said what would you say next?
Spin, spin, sugar...
Maybe they were refunded, maybe not, I didn't loose one, so I can' talk from experience. But the ones that were refunded proved that CCP agrees the game malfunction and that my dear is the only proof we need.
Now, go find a better spin, plz.
What's more disturbing is that if even a single pilot was reimbursed for being caught squarely in a trap, it makes me wonder about the neutrality of some of those 'high up'. The Cryallition are constantly yapping about Devs in alliances of their enemies, to attempt to gain some sort of psychological advantage, but let's look at some other assessments:
- Cryallition apparenlty generously refunded for what appear to be casualties on the field of war
- Add to this the 'curious' incidend where all of the POSes in one of the Alliance systems were offlined in mysterious circumstances....
I'm not sure the Cryallition have much to complain about.
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Saul Reaver
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.08 03:42:00 -
[630]
Originally by: Silvestri
time to take out your other pos...
LOL, Too late! that POS will also be empty now. I'm sure BOB will be glad to take out another 40+ Dreads for yet again another empty POS.
Well done BOB! Another well executed plan.
"True power is something that is not earned"
"True power is something you take"
Jock Ewing, Dallas.
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Cmd Woodlouse
moon7empler
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.08 22:12:00 -
[631]
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: lles
Originally by: hectiQ
Even if BoB lost a Titan..
They are still victorious since they killed 42 Dreads and couple Carriers...
A loss of around 140 Billion.
Yes, but untill tonight we have got 27 dreads and a carrier back from CCP
Too bad they took the insurance back tho
Getting the ships back from CCP doesnt matter, the loses are only a measure of the failure of the op. They measure 2 metrics, the failure of the leadership to produce a decent plan.. and the failure of the pilots to adapt to the situation as well as their bob eqivalents. Getting the ships returned solves neither failure.. As ppl like Malachon Draco show.. getting 4 or 5 ships returned just allows them to fail again and again..
The real question is have the appropriate ppl learnt from the failure..
That is the only measure by which the coalition can save face in this situation, and that, is a victory they cant win on the forum..
And if I say the opposite of what you've just said what would you say next?
Spin, spin, sugar...
Maybe they were refunded, maybe not, I didn't loose one, so I can' talk from experience. But the ones that were refunded proved that CCP agrees the game malfunction and that my dear is the only proof we need.
Now, go find a better spin, plz.
What's more disturbing is that if even a single pilot was reimbursed for being caught squarely in a trap, it makes me wonder about the neutrality of some of those 'high up'. The Cryallition are constantly yapping about Devs in alliances of their enemies, to attempt to gain some sort of psychological advantage, but let's look at some other assessments:
- Cryallition apparenlty generously refunded for what appear to be casualties on the field of war
- Add to this the 'curious' incidend where all of the POSes in one of the Alliance systems were offlined in mysterious circumstances....
I'm not sure the Cryallition have much to complain about.
Cryalition here and there, but atleast have the guts to post with ur BoB main.
It was your "truth" which u always proposed and im sick of no name corpers posting in here, whch are ofc bob mains. U have a no-post rule in bob. like back in the fountain wars FA had and u were flaming them for it.
Now stick to it and shut up.
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OnlyIandU
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:08:00 -
[632]
To all the coalition guys that are smacking in here:
- let's see if u kill any BoB cap: u post it in here and u just show off how cool u'r
- if BoB kills u, u just keep it as calm as possible and dont mention about that
- fact: u'r attacking BoB, everybody knows about the fleet laggy, means when u enter BoB space, u agree to load the system for a while, so don't cry it here. OMG its so lag we cannot do anything oh oh. U'r to attack, so u'r to accept the server lag!
- the coalition is 5000+ ppl right? or 6000 already guys? Wat does BoB have? BoB has itself, right, and MC, and FIX, and XELAS, and some other small groups or alliances.
Lets see:
1/ MC - yeah these guys are nice, but they are a few, some hundreads or so huh?
2/ FIX and XELAS - yeah some thousand already, but FIX - 2000 guys? 2000 guys and no real sovereinity, FIX - lot of alts, carebears and cowards, FIX are just noobish with 5-10 cap ships, wat can FIX do? FIX can only ask for help and sometimes send some crap fleet to support. I mean no **** but really FIX - u SUX!
What about XELAS - a noobish alliance, even more than FIX, a load of cruisers and frigates, XELAS - I have nothing to say about u guys, u SUX!
3/ so the BoB force is weaker than the coalition one, BoB allies consisting of noobish fellows like FIX and XELAS, they mostly ASK FOR HELP, rather than GO FOR HELP.
4/ u take the game too seriously or maybe u'r too young guys, u like to cry here, to show off here, damn waste of time.
5/ when u kill some BoB and allies, u'r superb, unreal macho! when u loose something, u tell us: OH DEV HELP BOB AGAIN!!! or u like to say: WAS SO LAG!
Pls try to blame ur self, don't blame the DEVS or smthing like that. Or as I already mentioned: U want to attact, so prepare to get LAGGED, dont act like u dont know anything!
6/ don't spam the forums, u act like retards. better SHOW INGAME! like ppl like to say: "Prove or STFU"
Thoughts about BoB and friends:
- I think BoB to be the most powerful alliance as a solo piece, I doubt any alliance can 1vs1 with BoB, yeah this is true.
- BoB has some nice leadership, with nice tactics.
- BoB has retard allies, cannot help, only ask for help, and in someway, yeah, they act like PETS, BoB say something, FIX or XELAS will do that right away! wtf? do u have ur own pride? U just do as BoB commands. aint good guys!
- MC guys - nice guys but pitty u have too lil territory and ppl.
- LV - sorry for the lost territory guys
- BoB cannot at the same time help LV down, FIX middle and XELAS in top. What will happend when BoB needs to regroup in their space? wat will u guys do without BoB?
Thoughts about the coalition:
- not bad team play, u guys outnumber BoB guys.
- u have lot of ppl, lot of money and ships, u'r aggressive
- imho u have not very good leadership
- u have some retards that spend their time in forum more than ingame, damnit smacking, smacking and again smacking.
- u'r not organised guys
OK, comments are welcomd :-)
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Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: sci0gon on 08/04/2007 23:29:35
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Cryalition here and there, but atleast have the guts to post with ur BoB main.
It was your "truth" which u always proposed and im sick of no name corpers posting in here, whch are ofc bob mains. U have a no-post rule in bob. like back in the fountain wars FA had and u were flaming them for it.
Now stick to it and shut up.
i think you should take your own advice to be honest. he is obviously biased towards bob side but that dont make him a member of bob, he may just be another bob fanatic. There is a lot of alts posting here both for and against bob as you can see from the post above mine
a lot of people are posting with alts to save face and to stop their corp from being embarrassed
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Raivi on 08/04/2007 23:38:27
Originally by: OnlyIandU
To all the coalition guys that are smacking in here:
- let's see if u kill any BoB cap: u post it in here and u just show off how cool u'r
- if BoB kills u, u just keep it as calm as possible and dont mention about that
- fact: u'r attacking BoB, everybody knows about the fleet laggy, means when u enter BoB space, u agree to load the system for a while, so don't cry it here. OMG its so lag we cannot do anything oh oh. U'r to attack, so u'r to accept the server lag!
- the coalition is 5000+ ppl right? or 6000 already guys? Wat does BoB have? BoB has itself, right, and MC, and FIX, and XELAS, and some other small groups or alliances.
Lets see:
1/ MC - yeah these guys are nice, but they are a few, some hundreads or so huh?
2/ FIX and XELAS - yeah some thousand already, but FIX - 2000 guys? 2000 guys and no real sovereinity, FIX - lot of alts, carebears and cowards, FIX are just noobish with 5-10 cap ships, wat can FIX do? FIX can only ask for help and sometimes send some crap fleet to support. I mean no **** but really FIX - u SUX!
What about XELAS - a noobish alliance, even more than FIX, a load of cruisers and frigates, XELAS - I have nothing to say about u guys, u SUX!
3/ so the BoB force is weaker than the coalition one, BoB allies consisting of noobish fellows like FIX and XELAS, they mostly ASK FOR HELP, rather than GO FOR HELP.
4/ u take the game too seriously or maybe u'r too young guys, u like to cry here, to show off here, damn waste of time.
5/ when u kill some BoB and allies, u'r superb, unreal macho! when u loose something, u tell us: OH DEV HELP BOB AGAIN!!! or u like to say: WAS SO LAG!
Pls try to blame ur self, don't blame the DEVS or smthing like that. Or as I already mentioned: U want to attact, so prepare to get LAGGED, dont act like u dont know anything!
6/ don't spam the forums, u act like retards. better SHOW INGAME! like ppl like to say: "Prove or STFU"
Thoughts about BoB and friends:
- I think BoB to be the most powerful alliance as a solo piece, I doubt any alliance can 1vs1 with BoB, yeah this is true.
- BoB has some nice leadership, with nice tactics.
- BoB has retard allies, cannot help, only ask for help, and in someway, yeah, they act like PETS, BoB say something, FIX or XELAS will do that right away! wtf? do u have ur own pride? U just do as BoB commands. aint good guys!
- MC guys - nice guys but pitty u have too lil territory and ppl.
- LV - sorry for the lost territory guys
- BoB cannot at the same time help LV down, FIX middle and XELAS in top. What will happend when BoB needs to regroup in their space? wat will u guys do without BoB?
Thoughts about the coalition:
- not bad team play, u guys outnumber BoB guys.
- u have lot of ppl, lot of money and ships, u'r aggressive
- imho u have not very good leadership
- u have some retards that spend their time in forum more than ingame, damnit smacking, smacking and again smacking.
- u'r not organised guys
OK, comments are welcomd :-)
My only comment is that your post needs a Derek filter.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Mercenaries of Andosia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.09 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 09/04/2007 00:32:46
Originally by: General Windypops
What's more disturbing is that if even a single pilot was reimbursed for being caught squarely in a trap, it makes me wonder about the neutrality of some of those 'high up'. The Cryallition are constantly yapping about Devs in alliances of their enemies, to attempt to gain some sort of psychological advantage, but let's look at some other assessments:
- Cryallition apparenlty generously refunded for what appear to be casualties on the field of war
- Add to this the 'curious' incidend where all of the POSes in one of the Alliance systems were offlined in mysterious circumstances....
I'm not sure the Cryallition have much to complain about.
Nice theory. Theories are like this. All nice and interesting. But then again there are facts. Which are most times less interesting, but there are exceptions. Lets make a quick summary of a few of each to show you the difference. :)
Facts:
- Bob was unfairly helpedby a confessed developer;
- Bob denied this until such dev confessed, liering to the whole community to cover their exploit;
- Bob allinace is strong and it has lots of resources and territories and very good players as well;
- Both coallitions are strong and as a group they have a lot more resources and territories than Bob and its allies. And when I say resources I mean both material resources and manpower.
- *****ing the defenses of any of those organizations by external force alone is feasible but takes a lot of time and effort and considerably more losses to the attacker as the game helps the defender.
Theories:
- Bob has a lot of devs yet inside their organization giving unfair advantages to them (what I am sure most people, including me think)
- The coalition was very harmed by the game inability to handle big fleet battles and its losses happened due to this flaw and a poor decision of ccp in the worst time possible (Coallition theory that seems to be backed up by ccp decision to reimburse them)
- The decision to enforce limits of people in a giving sector at that exact time, means there is still some pro-Bob bias in ccp. Because they were the ones most benefitted by it (my theory)
- The decision of reimburse the coallition means that there is a pro-Coallition bias in ccp. (your theory)
- You are a bob alt (my theory)
- There was a Titan in that POS (coallition theory)
- There was not a Titan in that POS (Bob theory)
- God exists (about 3/4 of humanity theory)
- God does not exist (theory of the other 1/4)
See the difference?
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Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
<Corrected by Evelgrivion for spelling>Nice theory. Theories are like this. All nice and interesting. But then again there are facts. Which are most times less interesting, but there are exceptions. Lets make a quick summary of a few of each to show you the difference. :)
Facts:
- Bob was unfairly helped by a confessed developer;
- Bob denied this until such dev confessed, lying to the whole community to cover their exploit;
- Bob alliance is strong and it has lots of resources and territories and very good players as well;
- Both coalitions are strong and as a group they have a lot more resources and territories than Bob and its allies. And when I say resources I mean both material resources and manpower.
- *****ing the defenses of any of those organizations by external force alone is feasible but takes a lot of time and effort and considerably more losses to the attacker as the game helps the defender.
Theories:
- Bob has a lot of devs yet inside their organization giving unfair advantages to them (what I am sure most people, including me think)
- The coalition was very harmed by the game inability to handle big fleet battles and its losses happened due to this flaw and a poor decision of ccp in the worst time possible (Coalition theory that seems to be backed up by ccp decision to reimburse them)
- The decision to enforce limits of people in a giving sector at that exact time, means there is still some pro-Bob bias in ccp. Because they were the ones most benefitted by it (my theory)
- The decision of reimburse the coalition means that there is a pro-Coalition bias in ccp. (your theory)
- You are a bob alt (my theory)
- There was a Titan in that POS (coalition theory)
- There was not a Titan in that POS (Bob theory)
-*snipped for size*-
See the difference?
This is what separates the Coalition from the Allies. There is an attitude of defeatism. You feel that, because you are not winning, Band of Brothers and the alliances that chose to fight on their side are receiving outside help from some higher power - in this case, Crowd Control Productions - your evidence being the previous case of one man's mistake.
Superior Numbers do not win wars. Superior Equipment alone does not win a war. Superior utilization of equipment and numbers wins a war. Band of Brothers spends more time on the test server than most any other group. Ever wondered why? They are learning how to best make use of equipment. They are taking the time to learn the game and use their knowledge to a tactical advantage.
You on the other hand, are genuinely surprised that throwing a blob at the Allies has not won, and are resorting to accusations that CCP developers are providing additional help. This is a laughable accusation given the cited facts. The distribution of GMs and Developers is just about even within the top 10 alliances. Given that 4 of 10 of the top 10s are against Band of Brothers, with many, many others who aren't quite at that size opposing them, logic says that there are many, many more CCP players against the Allies than with the Allies.
And lets get the facts straight:
1. BoB has confirmed that the POS was empty
2. The Coalition leadership agrees
3. Its just the lower levels who still believe there was something in that Capital array at the destroyed tower.
Accusations of Developer assistance in this war are unnecessary. The Allies can win if any one of the following two conditions are met. 1: The Coalition lacks the will to defend against an assault. 2: The Coalition is outmatched in battle. This kind of reaction to the current state of affairs indicates that The Coalition is getting closer and closer to meeting condition number one.
Psychology is the I Win Button of EVE.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Mercenaries of Andosia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.09 06:31:00 -
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First of all. I am not part of the coallition. I suggest you check the alliance I am in...
What BoB says is irrelevant, my friend. Actually at this point what ccp says is also irrelevant. Both have been proven to be untrustworthy. Wether there was a Titan inside that array will be unkown forever.
And numbers do win wars. In similar conditions and even when slightly overmatched in numbers you can make for it with better resources or more efficient utilization of resources. If you have both more resources and better efficience in using them you can even consistently beat 2:1, maybe 3:1. But there is a break even point where no strategy or better gear can make for it. The success of goons while most of its members were still young in the game and lacked both resources and sp are a good proof of this.
And just to be very clear here, at this point you don't have better gear anymore and you are not not better fighters anymore. You just think you are. You are mroe organized given. You have an exceptioonal administrative and political structure in your empire. But that is it.
I usually admire competence and excellence. I don't envy the successfull, never did. If you search for my posts from 8 months ago when I started to play this game, I even defended BoB from the crowd in these forums, because I believed their achievements earned the right to be respected.
That changed when I realized that those achievements were tampered with cheat, to which estent we will never know. All the respect I had for them went away this day. There are probably good and capable people there, I am sure fo this. But they are at the very least condenscending with the wrongs their leadership does.
My alliance has no love for Goons and RA. Most people in it have considerably more than a small grudge with them, which I, although loyal to my friends, don't share, I have to say. That decided the side we took in this conflict. The one thing I know though is that, personally, I won't ever lift a finger to help BoB. I think this game will be a better place without people who cheat and after exposed still have the nerve to preach their superiorite, most of the time through alts.
Seeing my corp and alliance you will understand I have no motive for bias at all. This is my honest and personal accessment of what we have here.
And if you think your masters will win this, I beg your pardon to tell you that you are most likely very wrong. The maximum they can do, if both coallition do not mass attack in all their important sectors at once, which will come to their minds sooner or later, is to hold until they cannot anymore and leave this game to avoid being defeated like the lame guy who self-destructs to avoid being in a killmail.
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Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.09 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
What BoB says is irrelevant, my friend. Actually at this point what ccp says is also irrelevant. Both have been proven to be untrustworthy. Wether there was a Titan inside that array will be unkown forever.
Translated: I believe nothing that isn't spoon fed to me by the websites of unscrupulous characters.
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
And numbers do win wars. In similar conditions and even when slightly overmatched in numbers you can make for it with better resources or more efficient utilization of resources..... The success of goons while most of its members were still young in the game and lacked both resources and sp are a good proof of this.
Train has no breaks! Now goons throw more expensive toys at the Allies. The Goons weren't really accomplishing anything until they got the backing of several other groups, most notably Red Alliance. Its not fair to attribute their victories to themselves alone.
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
And just to be very clear here, at this point you don't have better gear anymore and you are not not better fighters anymore. You just think you are. You are mroe organized given. You have an exceptioonal administrative and political structure in your empire. But that is it.
The proof is in the pudding - and thus far, the combat reports indicate that the Coalition, thus far, does not know how to fight well. But I do agree that BoB does maintain excellent logistics and leadership.
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
I usually admire competence and excellence. I don't envy the successfull, never did. If you search for my posts from 8 months ago when I started to play this game, I even defended BoB from the crowd in these forums, because I believed their achievements earned the right to be respected.
That changed when I realized that those achievements were tampered with cheat, to which estent we will never know. All the respect I had for them went away this day. There are probably good and capable people there, I am sure fo this. But they are at the very least condenscending with the wrongs their leadership does.
Translated: Because of the T20 incident, BoB is untrustworthy forever. Corruption abounds, as evidenced by the other scandals that have been discovered since...!
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
And if you think your masters will win this, I beg your pardon to tell you that you are most likely very wrong. The maximum they can do, if both coallition do not mass attack in all their important sectors at once, which will come to their minds sooner or later, is to hold until they cannot anymore and leave this game to avoid being defeated like the lame guy who self-destructs to avoid being in a killmail.
They are not my "masters," they are the landlords in the tenentship. We're in it for the free pew pew as well as industrial possibilities. If you knew BoB at all, you would know this: They don't give up and quit, which is largely what separates them from others. The good learn from their mistakes, and get better. Thus far, everyone else I have seen, has placed the blame on everyone but themselves.
Thats my opinion on the matter. I feel it is fairly objective; I saw the same thing happen to ASCN, the same misplaced blame that the coalition carries. My friends have done it, I probably have done it. But The key to victory is to get up and learn from these past mistakes. BoB knows this. The good PVP corps know this. Does the Coalition know this?
Sorry about snipping out parts of your post, but there simply wasn't room for them and my replies.
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Adam Weishaupt
Minmatar
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
good stuff
You'd think with all the boosters Coreli is producing, they wouldn't be able to make such logical posts on a regular basis, but here we are.
See you in space, neighbor.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Mercenaries of Andosia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.09 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
Translated: I believe nothing that isn't spoon fed to me by the websites of unscrupulous characters.
Translation: I believe everthing that is spoon feeded by my BoB masters.
Originally by: Evelgrivion
Train has no breaks! Now goons throw more expensive toys at the Allies. The Goons weren't really accomplishing anything until they got the backing of several other groups, most notably Red Alliance. Its not fair to attribute their victories to themselves alone.
It is not fair to attribute anyone's victory to themselves alone. In this scale victory is defined by your political capacity as much as your own resources. BoB would have been crushed at this point if not for MC, Xelas, Fix and many others.
Originally by: Evelgrivion
The proof is in the pudding - and thus far, the combat reports indicate that the Coalition, thus far, does not know how to fight well. But I do agree that BoB does maintain excellent logistics and leadership.
Combat losses prove very little in this game. -V-, LV and a lot of other alliances who fell inflicated way more losses than they took...
Originally by: Evelgrivion
Translated: Because of the T20 incident, BoB is untrustworthy forever. Corruption abounds, as evidenced by the other scandals that have been discovered since...!
Translation: Because of T20 incident and Bob's position about it, which cannot be blamed upon no one else but them, they are untrustworthy forever.
Originally by: Evelgrivion
They are not my "masters," they are the landlords in the tenentship. We're in it for the free pew pew as well as industrial possibilities. If you knew BoB at all, you would know this: They don't give up and quit, which is largely what separates them from others. The good learn from their mistakes, and get better. Thus far, everyone else I have seen, has placed the blame on everyone but themselves.
Thats my opinion on the matter. I feel it is fairly objective; I saw the same thing happen to ASCN, the same misplaced blame that the coalition carries. My friends have done it, I probably have done it. But The key to victory is to get up and learn from these past mistakes. BoB knows this. The good PVP corps know this. Does the Coalition know this?
Sorry about snipping out parts of your post, but there simply wasn't room for them and my replies.
This is a war game. Differently from a real universe, this one is not benefit from security and shelter and lack of conflict.
By accepting to be tenants, you have forfeit your independence and your ability to have your own territory, the ultimate goal fo this game, for shelter.
BoB are your masters, and they can change the agreement with you and kick you out anytime, no matter if they would or not. You are their servents not their allies.
I could submit myself to this situation, in real life, if I had no way but to do it to keep my family feeded and to protect them. But I wouldn't ever accept this from anyone in a game. The fact that you do greatly diminushes your value as a player to me, and even as warm blooded being.
That is my opinion and mine only. But as you decided to debate on the subject I don't see why not add it to our pleasant discussion.
And sorry if it offends you, I don't take any pleasure in doing so, but that is again is my honest opinion about your situation.
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Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.09 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Evelgrivion on 09/04/2007 08:54:32
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
This is a war game. Differently from a real universe, this one is not benefit from security and shelter and lack of conflict.
By accepting to be tenants, you have forfeit your independence and your ability to have your own territory, the ultimate goal fo this game, for shelter.
BoB are your masters, and they can change the agreement with you and kick you out anytime, no matter if they would or not. You are their servents not their allies.
I could submit myself to this situation, in real life, if I had no way but to do it to keep my family feeded and to protect them. But I wouldn't ever accept this from anyone in a game. The fact that you do greatly diminushes your value as a player to me, and even as warm blooded being.
That is my opinion and mine only. But as you decided to debate on the subject I don't see why not add it to our pleasant discussion.
And sorry if it offends you, I don't take any pleasure in doing so, but that is again is my honest opinion about your situation.
Its a rather shocking opinion that the prospect of existing without territory that is considered sovereign to an entity is an inhuman lifestyle.
It is a perfectly reasonable situation to exist in a piece of space, where I do not pay a tax to play with BoB, and get to shoot at those who feel it is their life's purpose to eliminate the perceived cancer from the EVE map.
Why should the fact that I am in a smaller group, which by its inception was meant to do what it is doing now be dehumanized simply because we do not claim the whole of a chunk of space to be of our own?
There cannot be submission where there is a fair and reasonable agreement. We are not slaves to our cause; being in "our position" does not diminish our enjoyment of the game, and as such, there is no need to feel some sense of disdain for our existence.
What we gain is not shelter. We gain a position that makes our corporation's goals achievable, and friends to enjoy the game with. Full 0.0 independence with a corporation of just 100 is not a reasonable endeavor; why should we strive for it when no enhancement of the game is wrought for me or my corpmates?
Earlier you mentioned that this is just a game. I think you have lost perspective of that fact.
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.09 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
This is a war game. Differently from a real universe, this one is not benefit from security and shelter and lack of conflict.
By accepting to be tenants, you have forfeit your independence and your ability to have your own territory, the ultimate goal fo this game, for shelter.
BoB are your masters, and they can change the agreement with you and kick you out anytime, no matter if they would or not. You are their servents not their allies.
I could submit myself to this situation, in real life, if I had no way but to do it to keep my family feeded and to protect them. But I wouldn't ever accept this from anyone in a game. The fact that you do greatly diminushes your value as a player to me, and even as warm blooded being.
All the big alliances have this same power. D2 could, with varying degrees of difficulty, evict the other soverign northern alliances were they so inclined to do so. Likewise ASCN did to Tribal Souls & LV could have done to -V- had they not needed every ally available to help fight RA.
Simularly the main soverign alliances can change, as they see fit, the details of the agreement of tennancy. & More alliances claim space in BOB "claimed" space then, for example, D2s.
yet seemingly only, as i see it, because BOB claimed it all on Josh Foritiains(sp?) alliance map do ppl view those alliances as slaves & pets to the will of their master. I cant really think of any other difference between those who reside within the blue donought, & those who dont. Surely those alliances that reside in NPC space are taking a simular route of "tennancy", claiming no space for themselves & using the shelter provided by a larger entity (unconquerable NPC stations).
Likewise entering a tennancy agreement doesnt make someone a lesser player & person as you imply. Not everyone enjoys the nomadic style of PvP, it doesnt make them lesser players for not doing so. & not everyone sees holding soveringty as the ultimate goal of playing EVE. Personaly i play to the point i simply dont wanna log on anymore, everything else is just part of this game to be enjoyed or lamented.
& id hardly say that those who are "pets" of BOB are exactly safe & free from fighting right now, not that many are complaining
-self imposed disclaimer: the above is my own opinion(s). They are somewhat disjointed & unorganised, & should not be seen to reflect the views of others unless they so wish it to be so-
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Chuck Dawg
Artic Blue
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Chuck Dawg on 09/04/2007 17:58:06
Blah blah blah yack yack yack... We could go on for months with this whole There was a titan in the pos. no there wasnt! SHOW ME PROOF ****. Believe what you want and leave it at that. If there was no titan big deal its over and done with. If there was then hoo****inray for killing it! The only, in my eyes, legit titan kill to date. Nobody will know the truth because BoB are good at the mind games.
For those not in the know, there is a world outside the walls you feel trapped behind... We normal folk tend to call it: Reality.
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Chuck Dawg
Artic Blue
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: Chuck Dawg on 09/04/2007 17:57:13
damn im tired.. bleh
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Mercenaries of Andosia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
Its a rather shocking opinion that the prospect of existing without territory that is considered sovereign to an entity is an inhuman lifestyle.
It is a perfectly reasonable situation to exist in a piece of space, where I do not pay a tax to play with BoB, and get to shoot at those who feel it is their life's purpose to eliminate the perceived cancer from the EVE map.
Why should the fact that I am in a smaller group, which by its inception was meant to do what it is doing now be dehumanized simply because we do not claim the whole of a chunk of space to be of our own?
There cannot be submission where there is a fair and reasonable agreement. We are not slaves to our cause; being in "our position" does not diminish our enjoyment of the game, and as such, there is no need to feel some sense of disdain for our existence.
What we gain is not shelter. We gain a position that makes our corporation's goals achievable, and friends to enjoy the game with. Full 0.0 independence with a corporation of just 100 is not a reasonable endeavor; why should we strive for it when no enhancement of the game is wrought for me or my corpmates?
Earlier you mentioned that this is just a game. I think you have lost perspective of that fact.
I didn't lose the perspective that this is a game. But it is a game we give many hours and effort to. A highly competitive game. And a game that once tampered and cheated makes all this work pointless. Which, despite it being a game, frustrates me. I don't like being frustrated. But I do like many things and people in this game, and I tend to fight to fix things I like.
Now let me try to explain to you, why, in my view, your situation is a lamentable one. In the view of your post and the one right bellow it, lets make a small comparison between you and another alliance that is not as strong as the biggest ones at this point.
Curse Alliance, of which I was part for sometime, has a lot of problems at the moment. It's leadership is missing, its members are demotivated, many corps left it including ours. While we are part of it we didn't have sovereignty over non NPC territory, but for sometime we had a reasonable amount of control over Great Wildlands exerted by superior presence and numbers as it is the only way to "control" NPC 0.0. Now CA has lost the grip over GW is spinning down but still the Goons have accepted them and are trying to help them to get again on their feet. Never, during the time I was there, no matter how inneficient we were, we were threatened or bullied by our allies. Never anything was demanded of us. We were allies. But the decision of how we would help and what we would do, as well as who were our friends and enemies were ours alone.
Now about you. Bob has proven that they do not tolerate weaknesses or disobedience in their tenants. What do you think will happen if you decide that you don't want to fight another alliance that Bob wants you to fight. What do you think will happen if you do not meet their spectations in production and ISK making? You work for them. That may be profitable to you, but in the end you are their minions.
If they considered you equals they would either accept your corps into BoB and give you the same rights and decision power they have or give you sovereigty, in the sense of being able to take your own decisions even if sometimes you don't agree with theirs, not territorial sovereigty. By doing neither they make it very clear who is the master and who is the follower.
You say that this position makes your corporation goals achiavable. What would be this goals? Make ISK? There are much less humiliating ways of doing it, albeit a little less effective. Be respected as a pvp force? You don't need anything for this. You don't need territory and certainly you don't need to live in BoB space and bow to their rules. I don't imply that you need your own territory. I mean you need your own opinion...
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Chuck Dawg
Edited by: Chuck Dawg on 09/04/2007 17:58:06
Blah blah blah yack yack yack... We could go on for months with this whole There was a titan in the pos. no there wasnt! SHOW ME PROOF ****. Believe what you want and leave it at that. If there was no titan big deal its over and done with. If there was then hoo****inray for killing it! The only, in my eyes, legit titan kill to date. Nobody will know the truth because BoB are good at the mind games.
For those not in the know, there is a world outside the walls you feel trapped behind... We normal folk tend to call it: Reality.
Ask your friends in GS if there was a titan inside or not if you're still not sure.
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General Windypops
Gallente
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: General Windypops on 09/04/2007 20:03:27
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Cryalition here and there, but atleast have the guts to post with ur BoB main.
It was your "truth" which u always proposed and im sick of no name corpers posting in here, whch are ofc bob mains. U have a no-post rule in bob. like back in the fountain wars FA had and u were flaming them for it.
Now stick to it and shut up.
My dear boy, I'm neither BoB, nor an alt - get your facts straight before you pull out your templated 'bob alt / pet' retort. It's getting rather... tedious... when that's the only response you have to any kind of threat. If you're failing to see the increasing unpopularity of the Cryallition, coupled with their repeated military losses, then you've made a major tactical error my young friend. Considering that D2 are now unleashing doomsday devices on their own members (!!!) you don't need any more enemies...
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.09 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 09/04/2007 00:32:46
Originally by: General Windypops
What's more disturbing is that if even a single pilot was reimbursed for being caught squarely in a trap, it makes me wonder about the neutrality of some of those 'high up'. The Cryallition are constantly yapping about Devs in alliances of their enemies, to attempt to gain some sort of psychological advantage, but let's look at some other assessments:
- Cryallition apparenlty generously refunded for what appear to be casualties on the field of war
- Add to this the 'curious' incidend where all of the POSes in one of the Alliance systems were offlined in mysterious circumstances....
I'm not sure the Cryallition have much to complain about.
Nice theory. Theories are like this. All nice and interesting. But then again there are facts. Which are most times less interesting, but there are exceptions. Lets make a quick summary of a few of each to show you the difference. :)
Facts:
- Bob was unfairly helpedby a confessed developer;
- Bob denied this until such dev confessed, liering to the whole community to cover their exploit;
- Bob allinace is strong and it has lots of resources and territories and very good players as well;
- Both coallitions are strong and as a group they have a lot more resources and territories than Bob and its allies. And when I say resources I mean both material resources and manpower.
- *****ing the defenses of any of those organizations by external force alone is feasible but takes a lot of time and effort and considerably more losses to the attacker as the game helps the defender.
Theories:
- Bob has a lot of devs yet inside their organization giving unfair advantages to them (what I am sure most people, including me think)
- The coalition was very harmed by the game inability to handle big fleet battles and its losses happened due to this flaw and a poor decision of ccp in the worst time possible (Coallition theory that seems to be backed up by ccp decision to reimburse them)
- The decision to enforce limits of people in a giving sector at that exact time, means there is still some pro-Bob bias in ccp. Because they were the ones most benefitted by it (my theory)
- The decision of reimburse the coallition means that there is a pro-Coallition bias in ccp. (your theory)
- You are a bob alt (my theory)
- There was a Titan in that POS (coallition theory)
- There was not a Titan in that POS (Bob theory)
- God exists (about 3/4 of humanity theory)
- God does not exist (theory of the other 1/4)
See the difference?
Your theories are funny, tho they are surely more hypothesis?
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Assimyrilla
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.09 20:31:00 -
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Quote:
Now CA has lost the grip over GW is spinning down but still the Goons have accepted them and are trying to help them to get again on their feet
Even the goons need meatsheilds?
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Mercenaries of Andosia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.09 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Doddy
Your theories are funny, tho they are surely more hypothesis?
You are funny too, trying to correct something that is not wrong. I guess you apply the same logic in your allegiances and beliefs ;)
From dictionary.com:
Theory
7.guess or conjecture.
Hypothesis
4.an assumption or guess.
The only thing worse than arrogance is unjustified arrogance. I advise you to study English before trying to be the smartguy again.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Mercenaries of Andosia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.09 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 09/04/2007 21:19:57
Originally by: Assimyrilla
Even the goons need meatsheilds?
Maybe, but in their case it is only a conjecture. In yours it is a certainty.
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Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.10 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
*stuff*
Once again you have demonstrated that you do not understand the relationship bob maintains with its tenants. We don't have "Quotas" to meet. There are two basic tenant agreements: Industrialists who are out to make money and pay BoB a certain amount each month, on a monthly basis, for their visit to their space; this is the one most are more familiar with. The other is the PVP organization, which is there for fun. Groups with a military capacity aren't required to pay for their tenure in BoB's space, so long as they actively field their forces.
If you look at the in-game map, you will notice that BoB does allow people to claim sovereignty over territory if you simply ask and work out a reasonable agreement for the reasoning.
BoB shouldn't be accepting its tenants into its alliance. There are very good reason for this as well:
1. It keeps their intelligence clean
2. It solidifies the core ranks of the alliance
3. It makes it easier to manage.
Keeping this in mind, they shouldn't be operating within your situational fairness; doing so would merely serve to undermine their own efforts with no benefits. Does this really make sense to you?
You're right in one aspect; we are not equals in terms of who has the final rights and say to the piece of space. If BoB really wanted to, they could declare our presence in Fountain to no longer be welcome and work to have us evicted. However, the most important thing to realize is, that this is not how BoB operates; they have more class than that.
You should know that our goal is to produce drugs. There are a few other places out there that are oriented to the task, but none of them provide what we are looking for; otherwise, we would more than likely already be there. It's not as if BoB forces us to dance at their whims. They do not meddle where they are not wanted, and likewise, we do not meddle where we are not wanted. It is a very simple agreement, similar to what the North deals with - but without the added overhead.
We have our own opinions, and I have my own opinion. This opinion is not invalidated simply because it does not align with your own.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Mercenaries of Andosia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.10 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
We have our own opinions, and I have my own opinion. This opinion is not invalidated simply because it does not align with your own.
That resumes well the matter and I heartly agree with this statement. I can always be wrong about anything although I still think I am not in this case.
It was a good exchange of opinions. I can see your reasons albeit no agreeing with them, and I thank you for this.
Regards,
Etho
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