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Trebor Locke Gallente Round Table Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.03 21:40:00 - [61] 21, I'm both PVP and PVE.....Otherwise known as a Trader :) -------------- Round Table Enterprises Your friendly heavy production corporation.
Jon Harmon	Posted - 2007.04.03 21:41:00 - [62] 40, newbie (three week) big-time mission and mining carebear for now. I'll get more into the PvP in a few months, I'm sure, when I learn my way around and build my skills (both in- and out-of-game) up a bit. My one trip into low-sec ended in getting ganked and podkilled so fast the universe didn't finish loading around me at the gate. :)
Cpt Angus Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.04.03 21:51:00 - [63] 26...cough YAARRRR!!!!!!1111oneeleven cough again Bones heal and chicks dig scars
Par'Gellen Gallente Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:03:00 - [64] 33 year old carebear here --- CCP : Save my mousewheel!
xeom Exit 13	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:07:00 - [65] 19 And im a EVE-Online player that enjoys everypart of the game.IE i do most of everything. Most people need to STFU and just have some fun ffs. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
Humpalot	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:14:00 - [66] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Do you really believe there aren't plenty of carebears posting "utter drivel with no grounding in fact." Do you really believe there aren't plenty of old farts here doing the same? Sorry, idiocy on the forums isn't restricted by EVE playstyle or age in any way that I've yet been able to see. Certainly any group (loosely defined here as you could draw groups in many different ways) will have its share of idiots and smacktalkers. That said I think you do see a certain difference in postings from the different playstyles. PvPers almost universally strut their stuff, proclaim EVE is a PvP game and thus for them and openly sneer at the PvE contingent. "Pirate" and "PvPer" in EVE seem to give themselves a badge of honor for this while scoffing at the perceived "lesser" class of PvE/carebear people. Funny thing is I believe the "carebear" side of things can be even more rigorous and cutthroat than a lot of PvP. Running something like an industrial corp takes tons of coordination and logistics and eye bleeding spreadsheets and negoatiation and cooperation. I'll stack that up against a gatecamp anyday. In the end you do what you want. There is no better or worse. Just what is better for you as an individual. Pick your poison and have fun.
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:20:00 - [67] Edited by: Aindrias on 03/04/2007 22:17:00 EVE is literally ALL aspect of life. PvP and "Carebears" are essential. Dividing the two and making it a "this" or "that" is disruptive at best and game ending at worse. PvP in EVE is multiple aspects, not just pew pew. I engage in market PvP all the time. It one of the best things about EVE IMHO. The Pew Pew is rather boring.. lots of waiting and not enough pew pewing. No I'm not a pirate, which I know would up the "pew pewing", it's just not in my character to be that way and since I'm not "roleplaying" in the strict sense of the word as in "being someone else". IMHO, any other point of view is narrow.. which is always bad. Further, those Pew Pewers with industrial alts are prob the worst kind of carebears LOL... afraid to take risks ;-) I'm 28 and started off in empire, running mishes and mining, 1 or two Empire wars which were fun, but now am a 0.0 and participate in the defense of my Corp and Alliance while trying to work on corp mining ops and other industry. I also rat to make money for myself and donate most of the loot to the corp for selling/reprocing. To me, that is a natural progression... of course not the only one.. but natural. Aind null See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:22:00 - [68] Look at all the kids posting on the thread... 49 and a carebear... I think you are mistaking "Age" for "Attitude"... PvP combat is for the aggressive, PvE and non-combat PvP (Market, industry and so on) is for the more laid back folks... all attitude... just us older folks are lass apt to be trying to "Prove" anything to anybody... Noob in training...
Ninjja Minmatar Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:22:00 - [69] 31...part time pirate...closet carebear. (shh!)
Xori Ruscuv Takin' a break	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:25:00 - [70] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 03/04/2007 22:24:07 I'm a self-proclaimed pirate. I enjoy PVP, and you will find me in pirate corps, "merc" corps, wardec corps, etc. To pay for my activities, I have an alt that I use to make money (ie. carebears). Allow me to analyze your remarks. Originally by: Brutor Shaun Reading through various threads lately I've seen a lot of 'Eve is a PvP game', 'Carebears are lame', foot stamping, followed by a spout if utter drivel with no grounding in fact. I don't think carebears are by definition "lame". I feel that this is a game. There are various playstyles that fall within the scope of allowed (either by EULA or game mechanics) activities. Quote: The way most of these threads are written and presented got me to wondering what the average age of a PvPer is compared to carebears. I'm 25. I have friends who are PVPers who are in their mid and late 20s. I have met serious PVPers/pirates who are as old as late 30s. Quote: I'm not for one second saying all PvPers are juveniles, or that all carebears are mature as there's obviously a mix of both in both classes. I'm just curious what the average ages are. I'm 40, and proud to be a carebear. Allow me to put this simply: I've met as many "juvenile" PVPers as I have "carebears". People with immature attitudes span across generations and across professions. Such attitudes just manifest themselves in different ways. You clearly know what comes from juvenile pirates. However, you should be made aware of what comes from juvenile carebears, too. Juvenile carebears are the ones who can't realize that this is a game. They smack in local. They petition legit ship losses. They send hatemail, threatening RL harm because of a shiploss they could have avoided. They declare that PVP is the scourge upon Eve. Juvenile carebears are also the ones who claim that your in-game "persona" somehow reflects deep psychological attributes of the player IRL. Allow me to demonstrate how this is wrong. In game: I'm a ebil pirate!!11 I gang up with friends and run around shooting everything that we find. We don't care if it is a noobship or a 3 year player running a mission in his factioned-out CNR. We get some good fights. We get some good ganks. We get some nice loot, and sometimes we lose. We realize it is a game - and even while losses a frustrating, we accept that it is part of the game, we refit a new ship, and move on with life. In real life: I graduated from college several years ago. I paid my own way through college, and my parents didn't buy me a car when I was a kid. I worked for everything I have. I have a fiance (who I have been with for 6 years). I have a good job. I've never hit my dog or my girl. I've never beat up anyone in school, and I never was beat up. I did not resolve my anger through physical violence. Nonetheless I enjoyed friendly wrestling and boxing in college highschool. I lifted weights, and enjoyed competing with friends. I'm out of shape now, because I have a desk job and I drink a bit more than I should. But I don't drive when I drink; I don't get into fights when drunk; and I'm a generally cheerful person. I have a good deal of frustration with politics in today's world - but I don't deal with it by chucking rocks through windows or any other sort of riotous activities. See? And you know what? If I'm still playing Eve when I'm 30, I can't see myself being more of a carebear. Nor when I'm 40 (if Eve is even around). The main thing is: I recognize that this is a game. I rolled a character in this game knowing that I was going to get blown up. I undock knowing that it is a risk I take. When I carebear, I watch local. When I pirate, I uh... watch local, too. ^_^ Honestly, I find your insinuation that PVPers are juvenile just a little bit insulting. Yes, I know - you said that you don't think that. But IMO, the very fact that you made this post tells me that you BELIEVE/FEEL otherwise. - - - Passive shield tank is the new WCS! Originally by: nickycakes so you're saying that when you don't get spanked by bob it's big news

ElweSingollo The Vanyar	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:25:00 - [71] Edited by: ElweSingollo on 03/04/2007 22:23:43 Originally by: Xeaon Originally by: Jayne Tamm i laugh at the people that say eve is a pvp game..and that carebears are lame..... do these pvpers not realise that without the carebears.....there would be no pvping..as where would all the modules and ammo and ships, that pvpers lose all the time, come from!! Most pvp corps make their own actually. which means by extension their also Carebear corps.... anyway 28 and I have done both PVP and "Care Bearing" as it is termed. CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:28:00 - [72] 18. Alliance soldier and capital pilot. ------------------------- Sigs are for noobs.
Iuris Proeliator Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:34:00 - [73] 22 and a Carebear in training to be a Deathbear. From there, who knows. The problem isn't that PVP'ers are less mature in general as much as I'd say they're less mature on average, for this reason. PVP'ing attracts the good PVP'ers, just regular players who want to enjoy the game, the same as carebears. It also attracts griefers. The pathetic rejects of the internet who get their kicks not from heart-racing, pounding, "HolycrapI'malivehowwhysplody" PVP, but from knowing they've caused someone else a hard time. The kind who go out of their way to give themselves every advantage, even cheating, becuase it's not about winning or playing the game to them, it's about being the biggest jerk they can be. I refer you to the study done by John Gabriel, found here. This theory, known as the Greater Internet ****wad Theory is a source of understanding regarding those little freaks. These annoyances probably bother the real PVP'ers as much as the carebears.
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:42:00 - [74] Originally by: Iuris Proeliator 22 and a Carebear in training to be a Deathbear. From there, who knows. The problem isn't that PVP'ers are less mature in general as much as I'd say they're less mature on average, for this reason. PVP'ing attracts the good PVP'ers, just regular players who want to enjoy the game, the same as carebears. It also attracts griefers. The pathetic rejects of the internet who get their kicks not from heart-racing, pounding, "HolycrapI'malivehowwhysplody" PVP, but from knowing they've caused someone else a hard time. The kind who go out of their way to give themselves every advantage, even cheating, becuase it's not about winning or playing the game to them, it's about being the biggest jerk they can be. I refer you to the study done by John Gabriel, found here. This theory, known as the Greater Internet ***wad Theory is a source of understanding regarding those little freaks. These annoyances probably bother the real PVP'ers as much as the carebears. I think you speak the truth. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us.* - Guru
Rikher Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:26:00 - [75] I'm quite new to EVE and this character is like two weeks old (? I don't know for sure though) and I'm 22 in real life. I'm totally into PvP. And to all those that posted something along the lines of "I'm carebearing now and will try out PvP in a few months when my skills are better": Don't wait. Train Propulsion jamming and there you are. Get in a PvP corporation (there are actually a few around who will accept you even if you got roughly 1 million sp). Are you ready for some darkness? Are you ready for some fun?
Xori Ruscuv Takin' a break	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:34:00 - [76] Originally by: Rikher Don't wait. Train Propulsion jamming and there you are. Get in a PvP corporation (there are actually a few around who will accept you even if you got roughly 1 million sp). QFT - - - Passive shield tank is the new WCS! Originally by: nickycakes so you're saying that when you don't get spanked by bob it's big news
Par'Gellen Gallente Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:38:00 - [77] Originally by: Iuris Proeliator 22 and a Carebear in training to be a Deathbear. From there, who knows. The problem isn't that PVP'ers are less mature in general as much as I'd say they're less mature on average, for this reason. PVP'ing attracts the good PVP'ers, just regular players who want to enjoy the game, the same as carebears. It also attracts griefers. The pathetic rejects of the internet who get their kicks not from heart-racing, pounding, "HolycrapI'malivehowwhysplody" PVP, but from knowing they've caused someone else a hard time. The kind who go out of their way to give themselves every advantage, even cheating, becuase it's not about winning or playing the game to them, it's about being the biggest jerk they can be. I refer you to the study done by John Gabriel, found here. This theory, known as the Greater Internet ****wad Theory is a source of understanding regarding those little freaks. These annoyances probably bother the real PVP'ers as much as the carebears. 100% correct. --- CCP : Save my mousewheel!
Mista Sexamalicious Sexa Inc	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:39:00 - [78] 33 and doing wtf i want when I want. SEXEH!
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.04 00:15:00 - [79] 22, Carebear and reformed pirate..(duh!!) now playing to help new players and teach...duh, that makes me a bear eh?.. -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Miyau Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.04.04 00:21:00 - [80] The carebearing would be pointless without the conflict. It's that competition that creates such a need for ships, weapons, ISK. Originally by: Rikher Get in a PvP corporation (there are actually a few around who will accept you even if you got roughly 1 million sp). Like Agony Unleashed. We take fresh pilots and mold them into elite PvPers with the help of our PvP University. /pimp

Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.04.04 00:22:00 - [81] Both PVP and PVE are part of the game. There is no distinction between one and the other. I'm 33.
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.04 00:41:00 - [82] Quote: The carebearing would be pointless without the conflict. It's that competition that creates such a need for ships, weapons, ISK. And conflict would be pointless without carebearing/industry.
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.04 00:56:00 - [83] Im sure this has been pointed out earlier in the thread (didnt read it all lol), but theres plenty of mature pvpers. They just dont feel compelled to nonstop whine/flame/troll on the forums to enhance their e-peens, so theyre not as visible. Anyway Im 22 (or 23? never can remember), do a little bit of everything. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.04.04 01:00:00 - [84] 32, almost 33. Carebear for now. We'll see down the line.
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.04 02:30:00 - [85] Originally by: Roshan longshot 47 AND I PLAY EVE ONLINE...enough said uh? Am 49, hitting the big 50 in 2 months. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks	Posted - 2007.04.04 03:50:00 - [86] 18, manufacturer (carebear)
Draconyx	Posted - 2007.04.04 04:05:00 - [87] PVP'rs I believe will range from young to old. YOU have the leaders who in general are older and are more into the planning. And the young ones who are just happy to kill something. PVE'rs could be young and old as well but I believe that will swing to the older end as the pace is alot slower. It is interesting how EVE mimics RL politics and standards in so many ways. THe whole situation in 0.0 is entirely predicable and provides interesting entertainment. Went from carebear to jarhead (0.0) back to carebear when I had enough excitement. Might end up back in 0.0 some day hard to say. If anything this game definitely gives you freedom of choice. Age - 36
Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2007.04.04 04:37:00 - [88] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 04/04/2007 04:34:02 22 and PvE, though arguably I'm also PvP if you count having the equipment to fly through the face of pirates and live to tell the tale. Been involved in a few 0.0 alliances too.
Bobo Biggles Gallente B.Biggles Corp	Posted - 2007.04.04 04:46:00 - [89] 41 And a carebear
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Caesar and Sons Salvaging	Posted - 2007.04.04 04:49:00 - [90] 19 year old carebear here. I've tried 0.0 3 times now, and so far I've only successfuly filled the role of "cannon fodder"; my connection combined with my igonrance on proper fleet pvp has turned me off of pvp. There are plenty of mature pvpers out there, but since the 1337 e-peen obsessed 15 year olds keep spaming the forums I can see why people would think otherwise. ----------------------------- "Our nation, may she always be right, but our nation right or wrong" - Unknown



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