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Akane Miyamoto
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.11 19:30:00 -
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Will you YouWhat people stop crying about CR, this isn't accurate politically, it's only to show off the WIP layout 
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TJ17
Gallente
Mithril Inc
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.11 19:31:00 -
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good map josh but y is IAC not a power block weve been pew pewing with bob and fix
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Wardog 1
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.11 19:32:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: NATMav
Maybe instead of similar colors, you could use different patterns, like checkerboards for the NorthCo, Plaid for the SouthCo, and maybe a flower print for the Alliance. 
Thats actually not a bad idea, while perhaps not as aesthetically pleasing, the suggestive power of colour does have its effect. A change such as making bob blue and coalition red would suggest in its simplicity good vs bad. Which does lead to more claims of bias and favouratism.
'Tis nice to see an update though.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.11 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Wardog 1
Originally by: NATMav
Maybe instead of similar colors, you could use different patterns, like checkerboards for the NorthCo, Plaid for the SouthCo, and maybe a flower print for the Alliance.
Thats actually not a bad idea, while perhaps not as aesthetically pleasing, the suggestive power of colour does have its effect. A change such as making bob blue and coalition red would suggest in its simplicity good vs bad. Which does lead to more claims of bias and favouratism.
'Tis nice to see an update though.
RA=red, there can be no other way tbh.
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Akane Miyamoto
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.11 19:39:00 -
[35]
Originally by: James Snowscoran
RA=red, there can be no other way tbh.
Agreed.
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Mitch Taylor
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.11 19:47:00 -
[36]
nice map josh, not nearly enough 'mitch' but nice 
Dark-Rising
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Puncher
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:06:00 -
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Not sure why you're still spending time on this TBH, no one views the your map as anything more than A BoB propaganda tool at this point Joshua.
Paladin's EIM is the map of the future.
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Galavet
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:11:00 -
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BoB does not claim Cloud Ring, and we ask the Map maker to change this when the official versions are released.
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Athanasios Anastasiou
Elite Storm Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Puncher
Not sure why you're still spending time on this TBH, no one views the your map as anything more than A BoB propaganda tool at this point Joshua.
Paladin's EIM is the map of the future.
I view his map as a valuable resource to get a general idea of the power bloks in the war.
Why don't you try to do something constructive instead of putting people down?
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Garrett Smith
ARK-CORP
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:19:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Wardog 1
Originally by: NATMav
Maybe instead of similar colors, you could use different patterns, like checkerboards for the NorthCo, Plaid for the SouthCo, and maybe a flower print for the Alliance.
Thats actually not a bad idea, while perhaps not as aesthetically pleasing, the suggestive power of colour does have its effect. A change such as making bob blue and coalition red would suggest in its simplicity good vs bad. Which does lead to more claims of bias and favouratism.
'Tis nice to see an update though.
I also think a striped pattern and checkered pattern is a much better idea than blue and red for this exact reason. It is a fact that colors influence, if you want to claim to be unbiased a different method is probably the way you should go.
Originally by: El Yatta
they shouldnt have gotten involved in supercaps, because on the whole they are very dull, except for 2-3 people in the alliance who get to go "wheee, i cant be scrambled, pwn pwn". |
Tod Klemp
Gallente
K-Street Project
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Crucifier
And i who thought aaa still officially "owned" catch even though iac have the stations?
So that makes IAC pets then.
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WildCard
Gallente
SteelVipers
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:33:00 -
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Well i have no problems when you mark CloudRing as part of the "Good Power Block".
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Saladin
Minmatar
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:37:00 -
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Frankly the graphics are outdated and quite bland. In addition, the size of the picture and its resolution definitely allow room for some additional text. So instead of have to use the effing legend can we just see the text info of the conflicts instead of (10), (9) and other numbers.
Also I think a nice a tool would be to highlight systems that have capital shipyards in red. Except for mine.
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Kuang
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:42:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Puncher
Not sure why you're still spending time on this TBH, no one views the your map as anything more than A BoB propaganda tool at this point Joshua.
Paladin's EIM is the map of the future.
Paladins map has it's place ( I do view it everyday ) but having a political map is also nice ... Josh has done a great job ( and thankless one ) and usually very consistent . If you have such a problem with it then please by all means take the time out of your day .. out of your eve time and make a map .
Have always thanked Josh in local back when VIRII was utopia to when CDC was in Vale ... and will thank him right now ( since now I am a so called bob alt / pet ) for the job he does and all the crap he takes
btw new map is nice and an upgrade was due
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Firane
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.11 21:36:00 -
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Looks good. I'm not sure about changing to shades though, this war won't last forever and people will be fighting each other again soon enough.
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Snarker
Caldari
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.11 21:39:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Who the hell are intrepid crossing?
Hi!
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NeverL
Enterprise Estonia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.11 21:41:00 -
[47]
hehe ca are empire carebears good good
lets join hands and mine veld in jita
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Nicocat
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.04.11 22:41:00 -
[48]
Originally by: WildCard
Well i have no problems when you mark CloudRing as part of the "Good Power Block".
Now you're just pushing it. =P
Originally by: Splagada
SEED ME DADDY
Down with alts! One character per account per IP! |
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.11 22:43:00 -
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Blimey at all the complaints over cloud ring. Please note hte disclaimer in the original post, i should prolly also point out that Cloud Ring was never meant to be marked Bob space, it simply a shade of blue which relates to the 2nd paragraph in the OP. I missed the alliance label though. 
Again, this map is purely for getting comments on the new changes NOT for the accuracy of this and that claim displayed here, you'll find those correctly marked on map that should be replacing the april fools edition in an hour or so.
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Borg017
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.11 22:54:00 -
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Josh, nice try but the auto-map is still better. Sorry, it is the truth  .
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.11 23:02:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Borg017
Josh, nice try but the auto-map is still better. Sorry, it is the truth .
Technically it's subjective opinion, but hey, go wild man.
It's not like anyone's forcing you to read Joshua's map anyways
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GO MaZ
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.04.11 23:04:00 -
[52]
I Cant hear over all this slurping.
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Githtakai
Gallente
Crab and Krawdad Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.11 23:25:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Firane
Looks good. I'm not sure about changing to shades though, this war won't last forever and people will be fighting each other again soon enough.
True but even outside war people tend to group together, the north has always been largely united, same with certain alliance in the south and Bob space. While the number or name of power blocks would change the existence of such power blocks would not.
Yeah, but that is subjective while diplomancy is nuanced and constantly changing. It would suck to be attacked by a big (say, Blue) force because Josh thought you were buddies with the Red guys when in fact you just had a temporary peace.
Maps change opinions and strategies, mapmakers need to try to keep opinion out of it.
My 2 cents as a guy between alliances for the time being.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.11 23:43:00 -
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The maps is better. But your map is a political map. It cannot be better than Paladiind one to show who gained and lost space. So i think you shoud concentrate on showing political relations, like soem said simmilar patter colors for deeply bound alliances etcc..
I know its a lot of work, but its the type of thing your map can do and paladin 's can't
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.04.12 01:43:00 -
[55]
Edited by: RedClaws on 12/04/2007 01:41:35
Originally by: Shin Ra
Who the hell are intrepid crossing?
Us :D
ex-ASCN that payed off bob to let us stay in our space. 2 months later we saw a way to rebel against bob (common what do you expect from a "bob pet alliance") and took it.
Originally by: Major Stormer
Clearly you have never seen the recuitment forum spammage by cold blade. *shivers in memory of the never ending copy and paste 3 year long replies in every thread and links to that awful awful website*
Sorry don't know any cold blade though. We're a new alliance :)
We don't smack, we give good fights and we have mature players. Currently fighting RISA alliance.
On the topic of the map though : Sorry Joshua but after seeing all sorts of works from you I believe that you're very pro-bob and thus I never really believe much you make anymore. A good mapmaker or reporter should always have a neutral standpoint.
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Syntosk
Amarr
Ticon Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.12 02:07:00 -
[56]
Originally by: RedClaws
On the topic of the map though : Sorry Joshua but after seeing all sorts of works from you I believe that you're very pro-bob and thus I never really believe much you make anymore. A good mapmaker or reporter should always have a neutral standpoint.
This guy is right, to see what BoB think of the game, see joshua map, to see what is real, see paladin's map.
Any doubt Joshua vision is biased? i give no credit to his maps... what what?
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.12 02:15:00 -
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I like the outpost/station symbols, an idea that has been suggested a million times before and you've applied it in a pretty neat-looking way. Good job.
I think it would be cool if you could shade the area around certain power blocks to indicate major allegiances such as The North, the RAGoonTCF block, and ofc the BoB block.
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Trivas
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.12 02:56:00 -
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I love the YouWhat text. You should make that the default text for all alliances.
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Admentus Cor'vion
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.12 03:45:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Borg017
Josh, nice try but the auto-map is still better. Sorry, it is the truth .
I think josh could sex up the automap with his photoshop skills.
TBH I think the automap is cool and all and always factual and there's little room for error.
It's also a good way to find offline pos's :)
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Ban Shui
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.04.12 04:04:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
I'm also thinking about changing the colors of alliances to shades of a single color to match their alignment, ie all bob aligned alliances would have a blueish color, all southern coalition pilots a redish color and all northern alliances a green shade. Unaligned alliances would have other colors or be gray. I'll prolly have a copy of this version done somewhere tomorrow.
You could just have two maps.
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