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Megan Maynard Minmatar RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:18:00 - [91] Originally by: Harisdrop Hmmm this has Jascal Rules all over it. I guess the Shi ttake dream ended fast. That man could of made friends out of BoB given time. This could bring me to the drone regions after all. I guess I need to get back into the game full time. I know a few that would love to get back at RULE noobs. Diplomacy for 11 hours I bet Jascal took notes. What? FYI, RONAD is no longer in RULE. Jascal had nothing to do with this.
Harisdrop Gallente Vindicate and Deliverance	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:38:00 - [92] Thanks guys I am sorry about that will keep out of it. Hey Jascal how you doing!!!
Torrus Blatella Caldari Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:24:00 - [93] The best of luck to Tre Kroner. Resist this unwarranted aggression with the best of luck.
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:53:00 - [94] Originally by: Harisdrop Hmmm this has Jascal Rules all over it. I guess the Shi ttake dream ended fast. That man could of made friends out of BoB given time. This could bring me to the drone regions after all. I guess I need to get back into the game full time. I know a few that would love to get back at RULE noobs. Diplomacy for 11 hours I bet Jascal took notes. You really should look before you open your mouth. We left RULE weeks and weeks ago to avoid situations like this. So, do your homwork next time before you make false, and incriminating statements. so STFU. ________________________________________________________
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:17:00 - [95] CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!!
Jascal RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:19:00 - [96] Haris, good to hear from you, even if it was an eye poke chuckles Time to stop tossing stones and get this thread back on track. -Old and in the way . . Shine up the Mod's bullet before you let them carry it in their shirt pocket :)
Allyourbase Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:33:00 - [97] Originally by: Hitman396 Someone set us up the bomb!!!11 WE GET SIGNAL.
Sku1ly STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:37:00 - [98] Originally by: Aelena Thraant Well good luck on the smack free... I had to block Rule of Three from our recruitment channel because a couple of their members joined and started smacking in it... Very classy.... It's one thing to smack in local it's a whole other thing to join a recruitment channel and start smacking. Hi! STK-S
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 21:54:00 - [99] Again to be absolutely clear. Ideally I'd like this to get it's own thread, but then again, this is only the events in one region, and there's plenty of other stuff going on, and so far at least 3 Tre Kroner threads started. We have been at Tre Kroner for THREE WEEKS to fix the POS coverage in their home system. During those 3 weeks any hostile entity could have come in, and whipped the station out from under them. If that had happened, RULE would have a hostile alliance 6 jumps away, with multiple POSs we'd have to break down and remove. Was that acceptable to RULE? No. Not at all. We contacted Tre Kroner - we have always been friendly with them. I spoke to them and raised my concerns about their space, and told them that they had to cover their moons. It's all very well being friendly, but you don't put your friends at risk because you can't manage. Us and other concerned entities in the new regions monitor station sovereignty. Because the fact is if we don't, other people will. If you look back to KOS in the KOS+LV+etc v RA+Goonswarm+TCF etc. KOS haemoraged space because of bad POS coverage. If you look at the Goonswarm versus YouWhat/D2 campaign last year, the only reason Goonswarm got a foothold - and who can blame them - is bad POS coverage. If you look at NBSI last year, we lost a station because of bad POS coverage. I'm quite sure it happens all over Eve. The most common reason for space being quickly lost is bad POS coverage. That is a fact. For three weeks waited, watching the POS coverage not getting better, but getting worse. When it dropped to two towers and there were reports of hostiles camping the system we decided we could wait no longer, we HAD to act. We believed, and we still believe that if we had not have acted then if it wasn't us it would have been someone else. And we all know what ensues if it was someone else. The point at which we spent fifteen billion on towers, fuel and modules was the point of no return for us. We are not a rich alliance, the new regions are not the plentiful ISK farms they were when Kali went in. Everybody knows now that there is no ore to mine, and that the value of the rats there has more than halved. Since we moved to the new regions we have worked long and hard, and spent many billions of ISK defending our position by removing any threats that presented themselves. Blood Radiers Alliance was the first entity we "encouraged" to move. FREGE and friends felt a bit of pressure from us. The second latest one was Fatal Alliance, in which we endured a long campaign against stalward defenders to remove what we considered to be a launching point for LV/BoB friendlies, and an alliance that would boom when LV folded. Lately as you may have seen in other threads there was the alliance that split from OXIDE, with Triumverate assistance and attempted to set themselves up in OXIDE space. All of our actions have proven that we take our own security seriously, and we do not take a back seat in things. We proactively deal with problems before they get out of control. Yesterday, when we deployed towers in Tre Kroners home system, I wasn't around. I was quickly filled in, I gathered information from Tre Kroner, and had a quick meeting with my CEOs. The decision we reached was that we do not know the new Tre Kroner, we've had our hands forced to spend 15 bil that we did not want to spend. And we certainly were not going to return to the position things were in before. I offered Tre Kroner a very fair solution. I've said it was fair, Tre Kroner outright said no and set us hostile. They are in no state to hold a system, we cannot have that liability so close to us, we took necessary action and we stand behind it. As for us being nice people? We're not "nice", we do what we need to for the benefit of our members. Tre Kroner lost the plot, failed to cover their home system and placed us in direct danger, for THREE WEEKS. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.04.18 22:59:00 - [100] Edited by: Victor Vision on 18/04/2007 23:00:35 Looking at this discussion from a distance some points stick out of the mess. a) RULE has a very valid point about an ally next door not protecting space sufficiently, and with that endangering not only themselves but also allies. b) It seems pilots on both sides do not realy want to shoot at each other, but would prefer a diplomatic solution. c) From my own experience I know that an attacking alliance might get into internal troubles if it agresses a former ally, if friendships were formed between the alliances. This can lead to pilots or even corporations leaving from the attacking alliance since they might feel they are backstabbing friends and do not want to do so. My opinion on this matter is that RULE and TRE should hold talks again, with a neutral mediator - both sides can agree upon - in charge of the talks. Obviously if RULE or TRE do not want a peacefull solution, then there will not be any. But if both sides want to work together again instead of against each other, I see a high chance of success to a peacefull resolution in this conflict. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)

Nex Angelus Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.18 23:03:00 - [101] Stamm, I'd like to start by thanking you for posting this, and keeping it in a civil tone. I must admit that you have gotten most of the facts straight, except for one: We did not put you to red. We took that measure only as a result of seeing our ships exploding around us. We have not mobilized any major fleets against you, nor have you seen any of our capital ships. Why? Because we want this to end in the most peaceful way possible. The only gang assembled was in our home system, and that was only to keep you from having free access to it. Further you say we have been camped, and I must admit that it is news to me. If you are referring to the roaming gangs of neutrals that from time to time has payed us a visit, I will have to counter by mentioning that those gangs have spent most of their time in your very own space. Now, our diplomats are working hard for this to come to a peaceful end. Hopefully I will have the opportunity to speak with you again in this matter. signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) No, it's 21 482 bytes, PHP-script exclude
Nagarutu Mishima The Movement	Posted - 2007.04.19 02:26:00 - [102] Well, Tre Kroner.. honest.. you wanna kill them RULE.. I would, so plz I know your great guys and will kick them rule's ass! Bring out the killer instinct and RULE will be history. Go TRE! Latest Movie: The Command Movement
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 02:51:00 - [103] Originally by: Mistress Suffering Doesn't RULE have enough hostiles already? Quite honestly no. We have two people we're allowed to fight, BOB and pets are on the other side of empire and triumverate live in an npc station and don't really count. Our miners can't mine in our space, our pvpers have nobody to fight.... LV was the last allaince that we were not blue to.... god help triumverate if they ever grow into their own station because we're totally starved for people to kill. I would love if BOB would come to the north to fight but I don't see that happening anytime soon either. We're pretty tired of NPCing and want a war... that said, most of us don't want a war with blues, but it's a mixed feeling of "well, at least there's somebody to fight." If we had asteroids to mine or complexs to farm, we'd be the #1 alliance for carebears to flock to. -Bart
Kurupt Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.04.19 03:16:00 - [104] So lets see you are blue to them so you go around scanning there outpost system for pos's? Doesn't sound like something a blue would do You could have given them a time frame of which you wanted to see more POS's up and if they didn't comply you would sent them to netural and take the system. Putting pos's in a system while you are still blue is shady doesn't matter what number of pos's they have. Also its there system let them protect it who they want. Sounds like you guys want people to fight so letting them keep the pos numbers low makes it easier for attackers to fight you ;-)
Lageen Rankey Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.19 07:52:00 - [105] Edited by: Lageen Rankey on 19/04/2007 07:49:35 Wait.. So first you complain that you don't have enough enemies and that you have to travel 100 jumps to find one, and then you use the fact that an enemy might get a foothold close to you as a reason to attack them? To me it seems like you just picked an easy target while TRE were going through rough changes. My opinion about RULE just changed drastically. Best luck to TRE! Edit: spelling...
Heintron Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.19 07:59:00 - [106] If CCP could just fix these roids we would all happily be mining veldspar. It's all CCPs fault I say!
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:34:00 - [107] Originally by: Kurupt So lets see you are blue to them so you go around scanning there outpost system for pos's? Doesn't sound like something a blue would do You could have given them a time frame of which you wanted to see more POS's up and if they didn't comply you would sent them to netural and take the system. Putting pos's in a system while you are still blue is shady doesn't matter what number of pos's they have. Also its there system let them protect it who they want. Sounds like you guys want people to fight so letting them keep the pos numbers low makes it easier for attackers to fight you ;-) We gave them 3 weeks to fix the issue. Moon coverage went from 8 to 6 to 2. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:38:00 - [108] Originally by: Lageen Rankey Edited by: Lageen Rankey on 19/04/2007 07:49:35 Wait.. So first you complain that you don't have enough enemies and that you have to travel 100 jumps to find one, and then you use the fact that an enemy might get a foothold close to you as a reason to attack them? To me it seems like you just picked an easy target while TRE were going through rough changes. My opinion about RULE just changed drastically. Best luck to TRE! Edit: spelling... Sir Bart does not speak for RULE. Please do not take his comment as what leadership and all members do. To clear up his statement a little, the mk- outpost would have be an easy take over for anyone. Alliances that wish to create hostilities in the new regions would have had the abality to take it over in a matter of hours with no resistance. We were even worried about you guys taking it, so please dont think we did it as a land grab. We dont need the station and its just a big isk drain to have to babysit it now because they cant take care of it. We have no use for 2 refining stations within 6 jumps, so it was for security, not greed. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:50:00 - [109] Originally by: Sir Bart Originally by: Mistress Suffering Doesn't RULE have enough hostiles already? Quite honestly no... Mr. Bart, there is a good solution to this, it is called field trips. Get whatever you want to a nice staging point close to the field trip target, and use jumpclones to switch between your home system and the field trip location. Btw, if I remember right, you are starring in a famouse TV series and always causing trouble there, aren't you, Bart? Regards, VV EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
MadMerlin Northern Shadowrunners Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:51:00 - [110] Edited by: MadMerlin on 19/04/2007 10:48:37 Originally by: Venix Originally by: Lageen Rankey Edited by: Lageen Rankey on 19/04/2007 07:49:35 Wait.. So first you complain that you don't have enough enemies and that you have to travel 100 jumps to find one, and then you use the fact that an enemy might get a foothold close to you as a reason to attack them? To me it seems like you just picked an easy target while TRE were going through rough changes. My opinion about RULE just changed drastically. Best luck to TRE! Edit: spelling... Sir Bart does not speak for RULE. Please do not take his comment as what leadership and all members do. To clear up his statement a little, the mk- outpost would have be an easy take over for anyone. Alliances that wish to create hostilities in the new regions would have had the abality to take it over in a matter of hours with no resistance. We were even worried about you guys taking it, so please dont think we did it as a land grab. We dont need the station and its just a big isk drain to have to babysit it now because they cant take care of it. We have no use for 2 refining stations within 6 jumps, so it was for security, not greed. Yes Yes you play youre charade, STK scientific has told here on the forums and in local what they Think and what Rule thinks pretty clearly a very good asset to youre alliance i must admit.

God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.19 12:13:00 - [111] Originally by: Sir Bart Originally by: Mistress Suffering Doesn't RULE have enough hostiles already? Quite honestly no. We have two people we're allowed to fight, BOB and pets are on the other side of empire and triumverate live in an npc station and don't really count. Our miners can't mine in our space, our pvpers have nobody to fight.... LV was the last allaince that we were not blue to.... god help triumverate if they ever grow into their own station because we're totally starved for people to kill. I would love if BOB would come to the north to fight but I don't see that happening anytime soon either. We're pretty tired of NPCing and want a war... that said, most of us don't want a war with blues, but it's a mixed feeling of "well, at least there's somebody to fight." If we had asteroids to mine or complexs to farm, we'd be the #1 alliance for carebears to flock to. -Bart so you going to "backstab" your friends Tre Korner, because your bored and u want a war, and u guys saying "Tre Korner are not securing the moons in their home system" and u set them red while they still have you blue... then moved your pvp gangs toward their system and start ganking them. is this the new way of Helping a Friendly alliance Security? i guess im gonna set Smash -10 and secure TDE and gank Peoke.. Very classy. tic toc -- In Soviet Russia, the car drives you
DeGrand Warspite Developments Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 13:43:00 - [112] sigh just read Stamm`s post will ya. Your post is wrong on all accounts.
Voltron Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 14:08:00 - [113] HUGZ AND/OR KISSES FOR ALL!!!! Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it? [yellow]snip Signature inappropriate for the forums, please email us - Kreul Int
MadMerlin Northern Shadowrunners Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.19 14:55:00 - [114] Now here is where it gets blurry for me since they only wanted to help us and safekeep us right ? At the same time they started spamming our system with POS's they revoked our clones and station acess to theyre own station 5 jumps away. Now they only wanted to help us, right ?
Nertzius Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.04.19 15:17:00 - [115] Originally by: Sir Bart We have two people we're allowed to fight, BOB and pets are on the other side of empire and triumverate live in an npc station and don't really count. LOL. Your gang last night only wanted to gank. When a Triumverate/Praesidium gang denied them passage through MT02-2 your guys went home the long way rather than engage our gang which was 2/3 their size and significantly mismatched. It would have been an interesting fight had it happened. If you want a fight, bring it, you know where we are. Nertzius
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 15:21:00 - [116] Originally by: Kurupt You could have given them a time frame of which you wanted to see more POS's up and if they didn't comply you would sent them to netural and take the system. 3 weeks Originally by: Kurupt Also its there system let them protect it who they want. Not anymore unfortunately. I have the feeling that this isn't going to really go anywhere really anyways and just fizzle. You can please some of the people most of the time and most of the people some of the time, but you never please all the people all the time. Velios M.Corp on LV fall -"Whatever your viewpoint, the undeniable truth is that against such numbers of committed players in the coalition, we were doomed."-
Szprinkoth Sponsz Chaos Reborn 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.04.19 15:25:00 - [117] Carebear Swedes running around like headless chickens ITT
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 16:28:00 - [118] Noticed my last reply was misinterpreted. I was responding to the comment "Don't you have enough hostiles already" and as I am frusterated with nobody to fight I responded with the truth. People on my side and passerbye's misinterpreted that as a reason why we attacked and that was not my intent. I was just going off topic and people interpreted that I was referring reasons for war. As Venix said, I don't speak for RULE and would not come in here spewing reasons for attacking, as I said on page 2, I'm a soldier, not a politician. I'm unhappy to be fighting Tre Kron because I've always considered them friends. But at the same time... My comment stands, I'm getting pretty bored with nobody to fight. -Bart
skobe 2	Posted - 2007.04.19 16:42:00 - [119] Dont see the ponit. If u where freinds, why did u not help TRE to put up more pos in the area and help them to secure the system. If u where freinds? a freind had Helped, before making a hostile act. and help means not talk with threats. Who need enemy then u have freinds like that!!!
Dawn Razor Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.19 17:04:00 - [120] Originally by: Stamm A long post Stamm, You and your alliance are obviously very concerned about the security in our neighbourhood. That is a good thing. However, there are a couple of things that your long post still don¦t manage to explain; Instead of spending all those billions on all those towers and try to sneak in RULE sov, why didn¦t you just help us out? The initial agreement after your sudden operation was that we would cover at least 51%, and you could deploy more posses as you saw fit for security reasons. That would have made our regions both safer and friendlier for all of us. We have a hard time explaining your motives to our members, and you are not very helpful. Dawn Razor, Diplomat



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