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cheru
Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.19 17:24:00 -
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Weak friends who want to be big always bring you down.
The fact that TRE comes whining to ze forum instead of going an kicking Ro3's ass tells me that they might be a "weak friend" atm. So why do you insist to be able to stand on your own feet if in fact you just can't?
You are owning an outpost but can't defend it? You will lose it, simple as that. If I were you I'd be happy if I'd lose it to "friends" who will still let me live there after the takeover.
Oh and it might be a good "diplomatic solution" if Ro3 buy the outpost from TRE instead of just taking it. ;)
That aside blue on blue action sucks, that's just bad style.
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Helen
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.04.19 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dawn Razor
Originally by: Stamm
A long post
Stamm, You and your alliance are obviously very concerned about the security in our neighbourhood. That is a good thing. However, there are a couple of things that your long post still donŠt manage to explain;
Instead of spending all those billions on all those towers and try to sneak in RULE sov, why didnŠt you just help us out? The initial agreement after your sudden operation was that we would cover at least 51%, and you could deploy more posses as you saw fit for security reasons.
That would have made our regions both safer and friendlier for all of us.
We have a hard time explaining your motives to our members, and you are not very helpful.
Dawn Razor, Diplomat
We gave you three weeks to sort this out you did nothing. Now you expect us to what give you pos to cover your moons?
Originally by: MadMerlin
Yes Yes you play youre charade, STK scientific has told here on the forums and in local what they Think and what Rule thinks pretty clearly a very good asset to youre alliance i must admit.
Unless something comes from me anything my pilots say on this section of the forums is their personal opinion.
Originally by: skobe 2 Dont see the ponit. If u where freinds, why did u not help TRE to put up more pos in the area and help them to secure the system. If u where freinds? a freind had Helped, before making a hostile act. and help means not talk with threats.
Who need enemy then u have freinds like that!!!
Apart from not showing your corp or alliance we had helped them by giving them time. 3 weeks is a long time in EvE, alot of things can happen.
Originally by: God's Army
Originally by: Sir Bart
Originally by: Mistress Suffering Doesn't RULE have enough hostiles already?
Quite honestly no. We have two people we're allowed to fight, BOB and pets are on the other side of empire and triumverate live in an npc station and don't really count.
Our miners can't mine in our space, our pvpers have nobody to fight.... LV was the last allaince that we were not blue to.... god help triumverate if they ever grow into their own station because we're totally starved for people to kill. I would love if BOB would come to the north to fight but I don't see that happening anytime soon either.
We're pretty tired of NPCing and want a war... that said, most of us don't want a war with blues, but it's a mixed feeling of "well, at least there's somebody to fight."
If we had asteroids to mine or complexs to farm, we'd be the #1 alliance for carebears to flock to.
-Bart
so you going to "backstab" your friends Tre Korner, because your bored and u want a war, and u guys saying "Tre Korner are not securing the moons in their home system" and u set them red while they still have you blue... then moved your pvp gangs toward their system and start ganking them. is this the new way of Helping a Friendly alliance Security? i guess im gonna set Smash -10 and secure TDE and gank Peoke..
Very classy.
tic toc
Ok put this on the other foot say you have an alliance living within 6 jumps of you and haven't got their moons covered to prevent a POS spam not only that but for months you've seen this and you gave them 3 weeks to sort it out but instead of sorting it they just made it even easier. What would you do then?
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Venix
An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.19 20:03:00 -
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After we agreed to a Cease Fire for diplo talks. Tre Kroner has brought in hired mercs, and other hostiles to our space. Tre Kroner has been set to red now and there will be no further talks at this time. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni |
Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.19 20:36:00 -
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I'm really sorry to hear about Tre Kroner breaking off talks. As proof to the rest of the Eve Community that Rule did not plan some sort of sneak attack, I offer you the information that we had put all 4 of the Tre POS's into reinforced mode 2 days ago. (Only 2 had guns, by the way.) We allowed those towers to come out of reinforced yesterday while we continued talking.
If we had desired a land grab, we had it in our hands yesterday.
Tre Kroner, I truly wished we could have avoided this fight. The best I can wish for now is that it is over quickly so we can both proceed with our real goals in Eve.
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Gullegumman
Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.04.19 21:07:00 -
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Just to be clear about what really happened when we "broke off talks"...
While RULE were engaged in what they term "diplomatic talks", they were all the while still trying to claim our sovereign space as their own. As if this were not enough in passive action, they also had hostile pilots in what is still, for the moment, our sovereign space.
Every moment that passes in the delays and deliberations so conveniently required by RULE is to their advantage. The clock is ticking in a very real sense, as they presently have more POSs claiming sovereignty in our home system. Delays tie our hands, while playing perfectly into the plans of RULE, as we can not attack their POSs during talks, and they merely have to wait to win.
Claiming that our friends and cohorts are some sort of hired mercenary force come to make their lives miserable is just a PR play. They have come to help protect their friends, us, from an aggressor, just as we would do for them. Also, fighting to defend our space, which RULE continues to lay claim on, in the very core of our home, is not the same as attacking RULE, even by the most loose of standards.
Thank you for your time. --- Gullegumman, FSltmarskalk, Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille |
Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.19 21:40:00 -
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I'm sorry you are taking my post as some form of propaganda, focusing on the phrase 'broke off talks'.
Yes, we still have towers ticking towards soverignty. That is the timer that you have to find a way to stop this takeover. My point was that we could have had soverignty yesterday (or at least neutrality) if we desired it. The fact that we allowed more talking to continue should help you realize that this is not a fight we wanted.
Again, I hope that something good can come out of the discussions. However, the system needs to be secure, and so someone's towers need to provide that security. Please use the time remaining to resolve that situation.
Besides...my CEO would probably make me fuel them all, and I don't want to do that.
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Mr Gangster
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Posted - 2007.04.19 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Gangster on 19/04/2007 22:12:44
Originally by: Sir Bart
Originally by: Mistress Suffering Doesn't RULE have enough hostiles already?
Quite honestly no. We have two people we're allowed to fight, BOB and pets are on the other side of empire and triumverate live in an npc station and don't really count.
Our miners can't mine in our space, our pvpers have nobody to fight.... LV was the last allaince that we were not blue to.... god help triumverate if they ever grow into their own station because we're totally starved for people to kill. I would love if BOB would come to the north to fight but I don't see that happening anytime soon either.
We're pretty tired of NPCing and want a war... that said, most of us don't want a war with blues, but it's a mixed feeling of "well, at least there's somebody to fight."
If we had asteroids to mine or complexs to farm, we'd be the #1 alliance for carebears to flock to.
-Bart
Ok this quote does it lol, your newbs and if your space and your stations were worth taking we could easily take them from you. I dont normally flame but seeing as we have mutilated you in every engagement I feel I have to comment.
Apologies to the rest but these rule guys are nothing but a joke when you fight them. If you are so sure you can take us on, why dont you try hitting a tower of ours, hell ill give you the location of one, but then you know you would just lose dreads.
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Darknesss
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.19 22:15:00 -
[128]
Mr gangster is me btw.
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Possesive
Caldari GALAXIAN Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.19 22:21:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Mr Gangster Edited by: Mr Gangster on 19/04/2007 22:16:19
So, no tower location then?
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TwilightMadcat
Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.19 22:22:00 -
[130]
Gf Tre Kroner
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Oppus Edea
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.04.19 22:48:00 -
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Yup, good fight and smack free. Your souls will feast with ours in Valhalla!
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Attak
Trioptimum FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.19 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Attak on 19/04/2007 22:45:04 I'm sorry, I was under the impression that this game is supposed to involve PVPing.
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Gullegumman
Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.04.19 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jodi I'm sorry you are taking my post as some form of propaganda, focusing on the phrase 'broke off talks'.
Yes, we still have towers ticking towards soverignty. That is the timer that you have to find a way to stop this takeover. My point was that we could have had soverignty yesterday (or at least neutrality) if we desired it. The fact that we allowed more talking to continue should help you realize that this is not a fight we wanted.
Again, I hope that something good can come out of the discussions. However, the system needs to be secure, and so someone's towers need to provide that security. Please use the time remaining to resolve that situation.
Besides...my CEO would probably make me fuel them all, and I don't want to do that.
I don't read your post as propaganda. I do however suspect that you have become the victim of disinformation provided by RULE members/leadership. In my long term dealings with RULE members I've always found them to think themselves on the side of what is proper, and I don't doubt that you really believe you are doing a good thing. Unfortunately, you have been misled.
Claims that you do not want a fight, as well as the premise that your actions are based on a lack of security from our part should be doused now. RULE engaged in an all-out fleet attack on our core system, including our outpost. It is much too soon to claim wins or losses in terms of ISK and ships (also, I consider this entire affair one huge loss to regional stability), but the attack was brought to a standstill.
Apparently, our security rivals at least your initial offensive capabilities, and as such your "casus belli" is down the drain. I hope that RULE leadership accepts the successful defense of our home system in this first wave of attack as proof that we do take our security, and that of our neighbors, seriously. With this in mind, you have no reason or right to continue your invasion of our home, so I am truly hopeful that hostilities will cease. --- Gullegumman, FSltmarskalk, Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille |
Niedar
North Face Force Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.19 23:48:00 -
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From what I have read here, the only reason RULE dont own the station right now is that they let your POS come out of reinforced while they were doing peace talks with you. So i dont see how that was a defence of your system.
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Stamm
Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.19 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Niedar From what I have read here, the only reason RULE dont own the station right now is that they let your POS come out of reinforced while they were doing peace talks with you. So i dont see how that was a defence of your system.
That is correct. We did not finish off their POSs, because Razor had engaged us in peace talks. Meanwhile Tre Kroner was bringing in Smash, Roadkill and Coalition of Carebear Killers.
When we saw what they had done we set them back red again, and hastily got a fleet together. Jumped in, outnumbered and bashed the gate camp down (taking heavy losses), held the gate for a while, but had to get out. We inflicted heavy losses as well, but we did lose a couple of capital ships, mainly through pilot error (although not very big errors) when they hit us again back at the gate.
Currently one of our POSs has been placed into reinforced, 11 more to go.
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God's Army
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.20 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dawn Razor
Originally by: Stamm
A long post
Stamm, You and your alliance are obviously very concerned about the security in our neighbourhood. That is a good thing. However, there are a couple of things that your long post still donŠt manage to explain;
Instead of spending all those billions on all those towers and try to sneak in RULE sov, why didnŠt you just help us out? The initial agreement after your sudden operation was that we would cover at least 51%, and you could deploy more posses as you saw fit for security reasons.
That would have made our regions both safer and friendlier for all of us.
We have a hard time explaining your motives to our members, and you are not very helpful.
Dawn Razor, Diplomat
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Kharass Al'Quam
Minmatar Team Jihad
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Posted - 2007.04.20 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm Currently one of our POSs has been placed into reinforced, 11 more to go.
You dont kid when you talk of pos spamming, 12 Pos in the sys, are we then talking about them being all large towers?
Well pity on the people in charge of fueling them. For your sake i hope you dont get the same problems as ACSN had in the start in the bob war.
We are talking about a hell off a investment seeing your facing smash.
Please dont take my post as directed against any one in this fight and i hope the mighty Pew Pew will be on both sides.
Only reson why i post is becouse of the mention of 12 pos, just find it a large amount of pos.
Why i mention SMASH, well they started out specializing as a merc group taking out pos.
Thank you all for the moment and fly safe.
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Zlobodan Dahr
Minmatar Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.04.20 00:35:00 -
[138]
Kick some ass s-44
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Shinjuro
ToXiC. Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.20 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm
When we saw what they had done we set them back red again, and hastily got a fleet together. Jumped in, outnumbered and bashed the gate camp down (taking heavy losses), held the gate for a while, but had to get out. We inflicted heavy losses as well, but we did lose a couple of capital ships, mainly through pilot error (although not very big errors) when they hit us again back at the gate.
You jumped into an almost dead even number camp. You "Bashed a camp" with "Heavy" losses? You held the gate while we killed your dread that was sieged at the station. So I guess if that is what you call holding the gate for a while.. As for your pilot error.. What more could that Carrier pilot of yours have done? He was dictor bubbled and quickly tackled as your other carriers watched an then cyno'd out to safety.
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Stamm
Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.20 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Shinjuro
Originally by: Stamm
When we saw what they had done we set them back red again, and hastily got a fleet together. Jumped in, outnumbered and bashed the gate camp down (taking heavy losses), held the gate for a while, but had to get out. We inflicted heavy losses as well, but we did lose a couple of capital ships, mainly through pilot error (although not very big errors) when they hit us again back at the gate.
You jumped into an almost dead even number camp. You "Bashed a camp" with "Heavy" losses? You held the gate while we killed your dread that was sieged at the station. So I guess if that is what you call holding the gate for a while.. As for your pilot error.. What more could that Carrier pilot of yours have done? He was dictor bubbled and quickly tackled as your other carriers watched an then cyno'd out to safety.
His TS was lagging, like the other carriers that jumped out, he'd have jumped out if he'd have heard anything on TS.
5 minutes before we first jumped into MK- our paid vent server was switched off, since I paid for it, and I'm the only one with access I'm a bit puzzled. I guess it's just bad timing though. Anyway, we were on one of our backup TS and a few people were having issues. The carrier pilot was one of them, he did not hear the order to bail.
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Oppus Edea
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.04.20 00:55:00 -
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This is not an official TRE statement, and I do not want to inflame the situation further, but I feel I must write this.
You could have handled this in a much better way, that would have been beneficial for both parties, and would have insured stability. Our alliance might be small, but noone with any character would take first a backstabbing and then rolling over without putting up a fight. I still hope we can settle this over the negotiation table, but I doubt it after tonight. TRE is determined to defend, above all, our honour and sovereignity, at whatever cost. Stations can be rebuilt, new systems can be colonized, ships replaced, but honour and reputation can only be earned. We strongly feel we are in the right here, and so did many of our friends who came to our aid. The conflict, for us, is no longer about property, killcounts or anything like that, but over a great slight of honour to our name. We've shown tonight that we value loyalty, honour and friendship, something which we though RULE valued as well. You do not treat allies this way.
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Gullegumman
Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.04.20 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Niedar From what I have read here, the only reason RULE dont own the station right now is that they let your POS come out of reinforced while they were doing peace talks with you. So i dont see how that was a defence of your system.
I must assume that Stamm simply misspoke when he said that this statement is correct.
Without going in to to much detail, RULE does not own the station because they don't hold sovereignty... yet. They have all the towers in place (our towers are of no effect) to take over sovereignty of our home system. However, it takes up to 6 days for it to kick in. Once they have official sovereignty, they can take our outpost. "Letting" our towers survive when they came out of reinforced is of no consequence to them, as they will gain sovereignty either way.
There are two ways in which sovereignty will remain in our hands. Either RULE withdraws and shuts off the claiming function of their control towers, or we destroy them. I for one am still hoping for the first of the two options, as I know an attempt at destroying the towers will be an uphill battle. Furthermore, we have nothing to gain by destroying the towers. It is a capital loss to them, as well as to us. It's really like tossing the ISK down the drain, as opposed to the peaceful dismantling that RULE could undertake, and could have undertaken, at any time. --- Gullegumman, FSltmarskalk, Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille |
Stamm
Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.20 02:27:00 -
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As far as I am aware we placed the only two towers holding sov into reinforced, but did not finish the job because were had been asked to ceasefire until a diplomatic solution could be found.
Had we killed your two POSs then sov would be neutral, and anybody could shoot the station.
Had it not been for the ceasefire it would be station pingpong, with your guys having assets stuck inside.
That is the situation as I believe it to be.
Any hope of a diplomatic solution (which I had spent a great deal of time with Razor today trying to work out) died when you brought up several hostile alliances to attack us.
These hostile alliances did not appear "all of a sudden" you were bringing them up during the cease fire, and using it to let your towers be recharged, and your brand new allies arrive.
Had it been Tre Kroner, and the highly experienced Coalition of Carebear Killers only, then it would have been some fun fights, but I don't think the end result would have been in any question. It would have taken you having complete and utter control of the system 24/7 for you to remove our POSs in time.
Now that you've involved so many other forces, then you may have enough to achieve your objectives. Smash, Roadkill, Coalition of Carebear Killers, Hellhounds and Tre Kroner combined is more numbers than we can hope to match on our own.
We will see what happens, there will be some fights in the next few days, and a lot of ships are going to go pop :)
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.20 03:28:00 -
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You wouldn't be in this spot had you not decided to attack blues. :]
Maybe you should investigate the systems of the rest of your blues? And attack them pre-emptively too if they do not meet your standards? :]
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Gullegumman
Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.04.20 03:35:00 -
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I have to disagree with Stamm on a major point.
Friends coming to camp with us in our core system, (which is in a dead end, incidentally) is not an attack on RULE.
If RULE had not consciously chosen to send a sizeable fleet with capital ships to our core system, they would not have encountered our friends and the ensuing battle would not have been waged. I don't see how a completely defensive gatecamp, in the most central of our systems, in a dead end, can be construed as an attack on RULE. --- Gullegumman, FSltmarskalk, Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille |
Nex Angelus
Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.04.20 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm As far as I am aware we placed the only two towers holding sov into reinforced, but did not finish the job because were had been asked to ceasefire until a diplomatic solution could be found.
Had we killed your two POSs then sov would be neutral, and anybody could shoot the station.
Had it not been for the ceasefire it would be station pingpong, with your guys having assets stuck inside.
That is the situation as I believe it to be.
Any hope of a diplomatic solution (which I had spent a great deal of time with Razor today trying to work out) died when you brought up several hostile alliances to attack us.
These hostile alliances did not appear "all of a sudden" you were bringing them up during the cease fire, and using it to let your towers be recharged, and your brand new allies arrive.
Had it been Tre Kroner, and the highly experienced Coalition of Carebear Killers only, then it would have been some fun fights, but I don't think the end result would have been in any question. It would have taken you having complete and utter control of the system 24/7 for you to remove our POSs in time.
Now that you've involved so many other forces, then you may have enough to achieve your objectives. Smash, Roadkill, Coalition of Carebear Killers, Hellhounds and Tre Kroner combined is more numbers than we can hope to match on our own.
We will see what happens, there will be some fights in the next few days, and a lot of ships are going to go pop :)
Now, I feel that one very important detail is being left out here.
You fired on our POS'es while we had a ceasefire, and put one of them in reinforced.
At this point we felt that we simply could not wait any longer and invited some friends to the party to secure our home system.
We are still willing to find a diplomatic and peaceful solution to this, and you are free to contact me or any of the other diplomats at any time.
//Nex
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.20 07:49:00 -
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i guess people should think twice before they do things huh?
oh and
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.20 08:21:00 -
[148]
/me wishes he only had to go 6 jumps to find hostiles
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Ki An
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.04.20 09:03:00 -
[149]
Would'ave, should'ave, could'ave...
It's on now! Kick some serious butt TRE and pals.
<3 GgRG
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MadMerlin
Northern Shadowrunners Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.04.20 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: MadMerlin on 20/04/2007 11:25:16 Good Fight in MK-YNM Last night Thanks to all our friends that came to drive out the Opressors.
Props to Rule of three that showed up for a good fight and i hope there will be alot more of them ahead.
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