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Nex Angelus Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.18 01:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Nex Angelus on 18/04/2007 01:30:36 [TRE] under siege As of April 18 Rule of three has breached protocol and committed hostile acts against a friendly alliance. TRE has taken the only appropriate action and declared them an enemy of the alliance. April 17 RULE decided to POS-spam our home system MK-YNM. They took the opportunity to get these POS-es in place at the same time 2 of our membercorps left the alliance, and thus left some moons open. They committed this act of war while they were still listed as our friends. TRE immediately called in our diplomats, and tried our very best to resolve this matter in a non-violent way. After spending 11 hours in diplomatic talks, they approached us with their final offer; TRE was to be RULE pets. Naturally, TRE couldn't stand for this, and declared that we would take action, and the RULE response came swiftly: "We have put you to red." It is apparent that RULE is not to be trusted as a friendly alliance, since they have exploited our good will, and the freedom they have had to rat and moon-mine in our systems, and instead used this freedom to scout our POS-es. We look forward to our allies responses to this, and we will seek a diplomatic solution to this if possible. For the time being, we will defend ourselves. For TRE-Kroner //Nex signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) No, it's 21 482 bytes, PHP-script exclude
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 01:37:00 - [2] You had 2 towers in system. Try again, you were a problem. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 01:39:00 - [3] Edited by: Stamm on 18/04/2007 01:37:07 You left 18 out of 20 moons open, 6 jumps from our home system. When there are 14 moons open, you do not need to take down towers to make more room for more - which is what we were told. We offered you a position where you had everything you had now, but didn't have to fuel the towers. You keep your offices, you keep your ratting rights, you keep your mining rights. And RULE get the security we want in our home region. You refused the offer - you refused to even speak to your alliance about it. As I said in your other thread, I am sorry, but there was no other choice for RULE. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Tomcatt Amarr STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 01:42:00 - [4] Good Luck Tre-K See you in space!
Wu Xiang Prospero Incorperated	Posted - 2007.04.18 01:43:00 - [5] Duuur dun..... Duuuuur dun.... dur dun dur dun dur dun dur dun
Brka Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 01:44:00 - [6] Security Risk = Problem. Bad Communication = Problem. Things not adding up = Problem. We solved the problem. We have a history of removing alliances in the new regions that are one way or another a security threat. You have no capital fleet that you could speak of and you are not the Tre Kroner that was given that space months ago. I think that sums it up.
Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 01:48:00 - [7] Nearly 3 weeks ago we went to Tre Kroner and advised them that their coverage of moons in MK- was not acceptable. We gave them nearly THREE WEEKS to remedy this situation. We told them what would happen if they didn't comply. Not only did they not comply but the moons that they DID have covered dwindled from 7 to 5 to 2. We would not be protecting our space well if we let this continue! We didn't want to fight you Tre Kroner, but since you don't care to respect your neighbors by keeping your station system protected with 51% coverage of moons AND you don't care to accept our more than generous offer then war it will be. BRING IT ON! ~Leandra Anor~ ______________________________________________ ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:06:00 - [8] Edited by: Graalum on 18/04/2007 02:03:25 this is an interesting casus belli, you decide to take your allies outpost because you don't think they are doing a good enough job protecting their outpost? Sounds more like a blatant land grab to me. Obviously my views represent me, and only me, unless someone agrees with me.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Graalum this is an interesting casus belli, you decide to take your allies outpost because you don't think they are doing a good enough job protecting their outpost? Sounds more like a blatant land grab to me. Technically its pretty smart as it would prevent the enemy from getting an easy foothold. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Gullegumman Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:09:00 - [10] First of all, I'd like to commend those in RULE who are trying their best to keep communications civil. Venix and especially is a beacon of taste at the moment. As a whole, portraying RULEs actions as open and honest is a thinly veiled attempt to cover themselves politically. Even their own members are laughing outright in our systems local chats about how they nailed us. Comments like "Sha Kharn > WTS refinery outpost in new drone region" (followed by quite the bidding war among RULE corps I might add) and "RIPZeus > i think we gave tre surpise butt secks" simply aren't in line with the premise that they are reluctant saviors of the area. Quite simply, they used their status as allies and trusted friends, including their docking rights in our station, to set this up. They used the moment at which two large corporations left our alliance as an excuse to expand their own territories. This is quite obvious from the fact that every single moon in our outpost system which is not taken by a RULE POS, is taken by a TRE POS (8 at last check, not 2). Their claims about our lax stance toward regional security are completely moot in light of that. I'd like to thank RULE for their previous services and longstanding friendship. This extends especially to those members of NI4NI whom I proudly fought alongside against Tau-Ceti. However, I hope that their members understand that, with all possible security measures taken, TRE is not a security risk at this time. As such, their actions can only be interpreted as wanton aggression or will to expand their (pardon the expression) rule in the region. Thank you for your time, Gullegumman, Field Marshall, GgRG.

Nex Angelus Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:11:00 - [11] I just want to make a few comments before going to bed (11 hours of diplomatic talks is actually quite exhausting) - Yes, you spoke to one guy; me. I spoke to at least 6-7 of you guys, and none of you could give me straight answers for 11 hours. In this matter I spoke for the entire alliance, and had advisors with me on TS. - We were very forthcoming and gave you all the intel you asked for. Even intel that wasn't any of your business. And finally: - I have screenshots of every convo. signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) No, it's 21 482 bytes, PHP-script exclude
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Graalum this is an interesting casus belli, you decide to take your allies outpost because you don't think they are doing a good enough job protecting their outpost? Sounds more like a blatant land grab to me. Technically its pretty smart as it would prevent the enemy from getting an easy foothold. Possibly, but this sounds like more of a blatant land grab disguised as a defensive maneuver. Its like the US invading canada because the russians might invade canada (sorry for real life example)
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Nex Angelus I just want to make a few comments before going to bed (11 hours of diplomatic talks is actually quite exhausting) - Yes, you spoke to one guy; me. I spoke to at least 6-7 of you guys, and none of you could give me straight answers for 11 hours. In this matter I spoke for the entire alliance, and had advisors with me on TS. - We were very forthcoming and gave you all the intel you asked for. Even intel that wasn't any of your business. And finally: - I have screenshots of every convo. The intel WAS my business. You being unable to in any way defend your outpost, not putting up towers, the majority of what really was Tre Kroner leaving, and your unwillingness to even talk about what I feel was an extremely generous offer, and finally your decision to end any hope of diplomacy is what has put you in the position you are in now. You leaving a station undefended with only 2 towers claiming sovereignty with 18 moons available, 6 jumps from us is the same as leaving a tank, with the engine running and the keys in the ignition pointing at my house. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Brka Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:21:00 - [14] Things didn't add up. You didn't know much about corps you were recruiting, story changed around, information you gave us didn't add up, and your answers to some of the questions showed us you don't look at the big picture of who is around you or any sort of plan. You even admitted you weren't going to put up towers at this time if we hadn't leaving it wide open for anyone. Outpost Lottery basically. You admitted you removed 6 towers for corps to join you but with 12 moons already uncovered, why? Sure you lost towers with corps leaving but you seem to have plenty in station. If you were concerned with system security you'd think you'd get those up as soon as the others went down. Something doesn't add up here. It just doesn't. I told you many times just tell us everything, be straight with us, and many times we had to deal with vague answers until we prodded you for more information. You were even aware of the concern for tower coverage three weeks ago and, even with corps leaving, shouldn't that be paramount? If i had a 40 billion dollar asset sitting in space, I surely would make sure it was the most secure thing in the galaxy before I did anything else. You had a weekend when they told you they would leave or so you lead us to believe.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Graalum this is an interesting casus belli, you decide to take your allies outpost because you don't think they are doing a good enough job protecting their outpost? Sounds more like a blatant land grab to me. Technically its pretty smart as it would prevent the enemy from getting an easy foothold. Possibly, but this sounds like more of a blatant land grab disguised as a defensive maneuver. Its like the US invading canada because the russians might invade canada (sorry for real life example) If you check through our alliances history in the new regions we have always taken a proactive stance on defence. Any threat or liability has been removed. Other than deploying POSs in their system there was nothing else that we could do, short of giving people we don't know free towers. Bear in mind the Tre Kroner that exists now are not the people we've had a good relationship with, those guys have left Tre Kroner. We don't know the guys that remain, they have not approached us, we've been saying for 3 weeks they need to step up the towers. The final straw was seing the system with two towers. We either acted, or someone else would. And it's a whole lot easier dealing with the position now than waiting on the inevitable hostiles arriving, POSsing up the entire system and moving in. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:24:00 - [16] I am curious, what level of moon coverage were you requesting Tre maintain? not just moon count but operational level wise? -
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Vily I am curious, what level of moon coverage were you requesting Tre maintain? not just moon count but operational level wise? At least 51%. In a 20 moon system we considered at least 10 large and 1 other tower to be sufficient to prevent someone else coming in and dropping POSs. Any less and someone could take the system in a bloodless coup. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:28:00 - [18] But now where will we get all our swedish meatballs from?!
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:28:00 - [19] Hey man, i said it like it is. You had 2 towers, you were a problem. Originally by: Gullegumman First of all, I'd like to commend those in RULE who are trying their best to keep communications civil. Venix and especially is a beacon of taste at the moment. As a whole, portraying RULEs actions as open and honest is a thinly veiled attempt to cover themselves politically. Even their own members are laughing outright in our systems local chats about how they nailed us. Comments like "Sha Kharn > WTS refinery outpost in new drone region" (followed by quite the bidding war among RULE corps I might add) and "RIPZeus > i think we gave tre surpise butt secks" simply aren't in line with the premise that they are reluctant saviors of the area. Quite simply, they used their status as allies and trusted friends, including their docking rights in our station, to set this up. They used the moment at which two large corporations left our alliance as an excuse to expand their own territories. This is quite obvious from the fact that every single moon in our outpost system which is not taken by a RULE POS, is taken by a TRE POS (8 at last check, not 2). Their claims about our lax stance toward regional security are completely moot in light of that. I'd like to thank RULE for their previous services and longstanding friendship. This extends especially to those members of NI4NI whom I proudly fought alongside against Tau-Ceti. However, I hope that their members understand that, with all possible security measures taken, TRE is not a security risk at this time. As such, their actions can only be interpreted as wanton aggression or will to expand their (pardon the expression) rule in the region. Thank you for your time, Gullegumman, Field Marshall, GgRG. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni
Tomcatt Amarr STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:32:00 - [20] More than 2 moons. I've been in MK- since this started and there is more than what your posting being said in local. No smack; just friendly banter and your guys have been involved too. You have broke out the flame sprayers, but that isn't the issue here. No one as insulted you or your alliance. I've made sure my guys have not smacked in local and will continue to do so. Since you don't consider ANY chat in local anything but Smack my gang will no longer reply to you at all.

Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:36:00 - [21] Hmmm...... Well if they were indeed holding Sov with two towers i can understand this. If you do not have the ability to effectively kill POS, then your best defense is a well structured defense. which is strucutred around the inability to be out-spammed. If it is closer to eight then that is another thing. But i am making assumptions based on COAD posts so i suppose it's ALL up in the air. -
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Vily Hmmm...... Well if they were indeed holding Sov with two towers i can understand this. If you do not have the ability to effectively kill POS, then your best defense is a well structured defense. which is strucutred around the inability to be out-spammed. If it is closer to eight then that is another thing. But i am making assumptions based on COAD posts so i suppose it's ALL up in the air. Nobody is saying anything different than 2. 3 weeks ago it was 8, at that point we spoke to them with our concerns. Yesterday it was 2. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Brka Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:41:00 - [23] Edited by: Brka on 18/04/2007 02:40:47 uite simply, they used their status as allies and trusted friends, including their docking rights in our station, to set this up. They used the moment at which two large corporations left our alliance as an excuse to expand their own territories. This is quite obvious from the fact that every single moon in our outpost system which is not taken by a RULE POS, is taken by a TRE POS (8 at last check, not 2). Their claims about our lax stance toward regional security are completely moot in light of that." Thank you for your time, Gullegumman, Field Marshall, GgRG. I'm sorry about STK. They do that and well sometimes they are tasteless. You seem to be implying we planned this for sometime and trying to turn it from "they were a risk" to "we are the victims". Being that I know about 99% of things that go on in the alliance, I can tell you honestly that we had no intention of doing anything unless we saw no effort of any group of Tre Kroner to secure space 5 jumps from our home systems. We didn't say: "Bored lets go kill them." In fact nothing happened until we found 2 towers on Saturday and nothing was even in the new regions until yesterday. There was no set-up, no conspiracy, and nothing else. I guess you need some sympathy propaganda. And by the way, the 8 pos you put up were only "ONLY" put up after ours were. So now you are out and out lying to the rest of the game to get sympathy.The screen shots of convos will even show your own leader saying you weren't going to put anything more up anytime soon if we hadn't I told you to be honest with us for 5 hours today. You weren't and you are showing here why this happened. So why the lying and the change of stories, and telling your "close" ally that things are none of our business 5 jumps from our home system? Again I smell a rat. Something isn't right here. Re: Vily - We asked what their cap fleet defensive potential was and they couldn't even tell us. Best guesses...
Gullegumman Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:43:00 - [24] Originally by: Stamm Nobody is saying anything different than 2. 3 weeks ago it was 8, at that point we spoke to them with our concerns. Yesterday it was 2. At the moment you set us to red, it was 8. Yes, it was two yesterday. And if you want to go by the worst day in alliance history, it was zero the day we moved in. --- Gullegumman, FSltmarskalk, Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Gullegumman Originally by: Stamm Nobody is saying anything different than 2. 3 weeks ago it was 8, at that point we spoke to them with our concerns. Yesterday it was 2. At the moment you set us to red, it was 8. Yes, it was two yesterday. And if you want to go by the worst day in alliance history, it was zero the day we moved in. We set you red because - and if you read carefully your leaders statement you can see it - you had already declared us hostile. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Trev Kachanov STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:48:00 - [26] tasteless? im just so glad i dont have to do 100 jumps in a night to find hostiles I find your lack of faith disturbing
Brka Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:49:00 - [27] Edited by: Brka on 18/04/2007 02:49:20 Quote: At the moment you set us to red, it was 8. Yes, it was two yesterday. And if you want to go by the worst day in alliance history, it was zero the day we moved in. Open answers? Some were open, some were best guesses, several answers didn't pass my bs test. We set you red the moment your leader/diplomatic said Tre Kroner would respond after threatening us right off the bat early today, we didn't think it was wise to let you plan and plot a response. However, your 8 towers.. most of them aren't even armed. No guns on many of them. A defensive POS has hardeners and guns. You were more interested in getting us out than actually putting up serious defenses. Again something doesn't add up here. But hey what do I know, I'm only a civil engineer.
Sylic Vendetta Underground	Posted - 2007.04.18 03:10:00 - [28] Enough explination.. This is to be the last RULE comment.. You had 2 moon covered until after DT and you seen we put up 12.. Call it what you want land grab or whatever you can do bring simpathy upon you.. We warn you 3 WEEKS AGO protect this sytem .. With enemies around today it would have been a nice logistical foothold to grab.. You neglecticed to mention that you took down 6 addition POSes leaving only 2 to make room for 2 new corps joining? Yeah now that makes since. Anyways you lied to us 3 weeks ago and lost that trust. You jepordized the security of this region.. Now any true leader of and alliance or corp will see the logistical issue you caused .. SYLIC
Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 03:12:00 - [29] Originally by: Gullegumman Edited by: Gullegumman on 18/04/2007 02:47:11 Originally by: Stamm Nobody is saying anything different than 2. 3 weeks ago it was 8, at that point we spoke to them with our concerns. Yesterday it was 2. At the moment you set us to red, it was 8. Yes, it was two yesterday. And if you want to go by the worst day in alliance history, it was zero the day we moved in. Edit to answer Brka: You are quite right, several towers were set up in response to the fact that you asked us to ramp up security, as late as today. We took all of your requests to up security quite seriously, but our alliance was also going through very turbulent times. Our measures have included diversifying the alliance to keep online times more spread out, the buying of quite a few control towers (the ones which are in place now, plus more which can not be set up due to RULE POSes). However, none of these things can be done overnight. Any reference to not getting straight answers might be attributed to the fact that our alliance has thusfar been all-Swedish, and English is not the first language of most members. We have never had anything to hide from RULE. Apparently, we should have, since you are now exploiting our trust and friendship, as well as our open answers about our defensive capabilities. We didn't ask you to do this overnight... we gave you THREE WEEKS!! That's more then enough time for MC, BoB, Triumvirate, Praes etc to have jumped in and covered those moons and then you wouldn't have had ANY of these talks. We offered to let you stay... no rent... full ratting and mining rights and you set us red. Fine! We are game to fight. We didn't want it... but like I said before BRING IT ON! Re: Vily... it was 8 when we first asked them to ramp up security. Then it dropped to 5 over the weekend.... last night it was at 2. ANYONE could have done what we did and then we would have had a potential enemy 6 jumps from our station. Defensively we couldn't allow that. ______________________________________________ ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
Trev Kachanov STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 03:38:00 - [30] Originally by: Leandra Anor Originally by: Gullegumman Edited by: Gullegumman on 18/04/2007 02:47:11 Originally by: Stamm Nobody is saying anything different than 2. 3 weeks ago it was 8, at that point we spoke to them with our concerns. Yesterday it was 2. At the moment you set us to red, it was 8. Yes, it was two yesterday. And if you want to go by the worst day in alliance history, it was zero the day we moved in. Edit to answer Brka: You are quite right, several towers were set up in response to the fact that you asked us to ramp up security, as late as today. We took all of your requests to up security quite seriously, but our alliance was also going through very turbulent times. Our measures have included diversifying the alliance to keep online times more spread out, the buying of quite a few control towers (the ones which are in place now, plus more which can not be set up due to RULE POSes). However, none of these things can be done overnight. Any reference to not getting straight answers might be attributed to the fact that our alliance has thusfar been all-Swedish, and English is not the first language of most members. We have never had anything to hide from RULE. Apparently, we should have, since you are now exploiting our trust and friendship, as well as our open answers about our defensive capabilities. We didn't ask you to do this overnight... we gave you THREE WEEKS!! That's more then enough time for MC, BoB, Triumvirate, Praes etc to have jumped in and covered those moons and then you wouldn't have had ANY of these talks. We offered to let you stay... no rent... full ratting and mining rights and you set us red. Fine! We are game to fight. We didn't want it... but like I said before BRING IT ON! Re: Vily... it was 8 when we first asked them to ramp up security. Then it dropped to 5 over the weekend.... last night it was at 2. ANYONE could have done what we did and then we would have had a potential enemy 6 jumps from our station. Defensively we couldn't allow that. i think yur puuuurdy I find your lack of faith disturbing

Necroman Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 04:04:00 - [31] I find some of your responses humorous.To place an outpost is a risk. To place an outpost with all moons covered is risky. To place an outpost with 51 percent of moons covered is dangerous. To place an outpost with less than 51 percent of moons covered is just plain stupid, You were asked to cover the moons. You failed to do so and now your are whinning because you did not do so. Fly Safe --- Vendetta Underground. never dies, they just go to hell and regroup
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 04:26:00 - [32] I am honestly quite bothered by taking the system from you guys. I wish a peaceful solution could have been worked out as I have always seen Tre Kron as friends. I, however, am not in a position to make descisions. I just shoot who I am told to shoot and have to assume RULE leadership did this as their only option. We have enemies that wish us harm and we cannot allow them a foothold six jumps from our home system. Sorry things didn't work out better, Sir Bart
Ace Frehley Minmatar Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 05:41:00 - [33] Edited by: Ace Frehley on 18/04/2007 05:37:20 Kill em Tre!! You got the power of all swedes streanghts behind ya -T DOM LEVANDE!!!!! Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes
Camael Kuro Snow Flake Industries	Posted - 2007.04.18 05:49:00 - [34] Edited by: Camael Kuro on 18/04/2007 05:45:08 You do realise that probably more than 50% of all outposts in EVE are covered by 2-4 POS only? Of course most of them have a significant cap fleet to back them up but taking an outpost while you are blue because 'you are too weak' sounds a bit like an excuse for a land grab to me.
Hauler Biotch	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:05:00 - [35] "Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends, why can't we be friend's, why can't we be friends?"
Twoside Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:17:00 - [36] Guys, take this discussion off CAOD and sort it in the appropriate channels. Debating on here is pointless and tbh, rather dissapointing from both of your ends.
Dawn Razor Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:18:00 - [37] We have been nothing but straight and honest with RULE, but as stated above TRE has been going through a re-organisation as an alliance the last couple of days. There has been, and still is, lots af administration to handle with new corps entering, and some old corps leaving. What RULE claims to be shady or blurry answers from our part concerning security, capital fleet and alliance corps is simply the fact that our diplomats cannot be held updated with all new facts from all parts of the alliance as they happen in real-time. We are talking about a timespan of a few hours here. The temporary confusion that comes naturally with a shift in command is something an enemy entity would naturally exploit. However, we did not expect it from a long-term friend and ally. Dawn Razor, Diplomat
Achaiah Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:24:00 - [38] I don’t know the story behind this, but from the outside it sure looks like a hostile take over based on greed, a lack of targets and some ego issues. As far as I know, the Kali regions are fairly stable with alliances that are friendly to each other. To make a faction that has friends in those regions and bookmarks all over the place, as well as showing the other alliances that you are ready to walk all over your neighbors because you consider them weak by your standards, is hardly something that further stability in the area. It can’t be cost effective as well, if not security is compromised. TRE obviously has pilots that mine, rat and manufacture stuff, something that strengthens the market in the area. On top of that they have (or had) friendly relations with their neighbors. Not only are you showing your neighbors that you are willing to attack even if you are friendly, which decreases the value of your friendship, but you kick out a group of people that actually are good for the economy. Will RULE mine, rat and manufacture oh so much more to compensate for the loss of people doing that in that area (and to cover the cost of the towers), or will they start to recruit new corps that always bring with them the risk of spies and odd personal relationships to all kinds of corps and alliances? With that said.. 2 POS holding sov is something that should make any neighbor concerned. But to conquer it should be far down on the list on things to do if you want to try to hold some kind of odd moral highground on the forums (you are saving the region from likely POS spamming attacks from BoB/MC/Triumvirate!?) From here it looks like you simply felt you could steal a station at a reasonable ISK cost and couldn’t care less that blue forces own the station.
Akashha Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:41:00 - [39] Rule of three has been War mongering for quite some time in the new regions they are the biggest threat to the other alliances out there, not to mention theyre war mongering against other blue alliances like PURE and Astral wolves. i sincerely hope that proper actions are taken and standings to be reset against them.
Pride NL Dominators	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:48:00 - [40] Seems they all disagree with eachother. A classic way to start a war. I bet we will see blood splatters driving in space soon! And much of it! Arrive. Raise Hell. Leave.

Eldwinn STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:49:00 - [41] Originally by: Akashha Rule of three has been War mongering for quite some time in the new regions they are the biggest threat to the other alliances out there, not to mention theyre war mongering against other blue alliances like PURE and Astral wolves. i sincerely hope that proper actions are taken and standings to be reset against them. Is that the offical stance of the Royal Amarr Institute?
Kai page coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.18 07:21:00 - [42] I bet Helen had soemthign to do with this :p (cats ftw btw)- Sahwoolo Etoophie
Oppus Edea Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:09:00 - [43] Sad to see how RULE "friendship" works. Let other alliances take note of how RULE treats allies and friends. That being said, looking forward to some good PVP.
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:19:00 - [44] Originally by: Twoside Guys, take this discussion off CAOD and sort it in the appropriate channels. Debating on here is pointless and tbh, rather dissapointing from both of your ends. Why the hell? This is at least a bit entertaining. You guys really have no sense of humor. --------------------------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
Draahk Chimera Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:21:00 - [45] Yay, someone is shooting someone in drone regions.
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:54:00 - [46] I for one just twitched at the thought of 11 hours of diplomatic talks
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:06:00 - [47] Originally by: Tomas Ysidro I for one just twitched at the thought of 11 hours of diplomatic talks 11 hours just today, we have been at this for 3 weeks. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni
goober	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:11:00 - [48] obviously literacy is not a requirement in the eve universe. RULE is being accused of making a land grab and shooting blues. if you are capable of reading, u know these accusations are not true. Tre there was not 1 shot fired until Tre told RULE they would be set as hostile. so naturally, Tre were set hostile to RULE. only then did RULE engage. i dont think any 0.0 corp or alliance would hesitate to omgwtfpwn a hostile alliance only 6 jumps from their home system. no hard feelings Tre. i sincerely hope u put up a good fight. teh goob
Akashha Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:36:00 - [49] I think its quite obvious goober that when u find 12 POS's in youre main system is considered worse then shooting down one blue ship and also considered an extremly hostile act.
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:37:00 - [50] ^ goober is in rule, he doesnt have his stuff turned on. If you chould give him a chance before you mod. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni

Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:42:00 - [51] I have a question, did RULE spam the POSs before or after they set TRE red? Did you position your POSs in the TRE outpost using your standings with them as friendlies at the time in preparation to spam their system? Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs
Achaiah Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:43:00 - [52] Originally by: goober Edited by: goober on 18/04/2007 10:18:08 obviously literacy is not a requirement in the eve universe. RULE is being accused of making a land grab and shooting blues. if you are capable of reading, u know these accusations are not true. there was not 1 shot fired until Tre told RULE they would be set as hostile. so naturally, Tre were set hostile to RULE. only then did RULE engage. i dont think any 0.0 corp or alliance would hesitate to omgwtfpwn a hostile alliance only 6 jumps from their home system. no hard feelings Tre. i sincerely hope u put up a good fight. teh goob I don't know how it works in your literate part of the Eve universe, but in most other places it is an act of war to POS spam another alliances station-systems. I would say that its a good bet that most alliances rather have their pilots attacked then their sovereignty.
Akashha Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:44:00 - [53] Bien that is correct
Akashha Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:46:00 - [54] They used the friendship of TRE to scout Our POS's and deploy theyres when most of the swedish people were offline and sleeping.
Cartiff Darwin With Attitude RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:51:00 - [55] stamms kool Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why -Sahwoolo "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
Bloedkopp Minmatar Simian Cell Systems	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:57:00 - [56] So IKEA pulls out of Drone Land ?
AlvynNevins Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:58:00 - [57] 11 hours of diplomatic talking (and another 3 weeks before that?). You guys must have too much time Placing more towers in that system is the only way to keep enemies out i think. That's why i try blow every neutral ship up that crosses my way, he might be my enemy soon. - Can't drink as much as i want to puke, sometimes.
Possesive Caldari GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:00:00 - [58] Originally by: Akashha They used the friendship of TRE to scout Our POS's and deploy theyres when most of the swedish people were offline and sleeping. Now that we know you're a TRE pilot, you shouldnt have any difficulty posting with your main.
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:06:00 - [59] Smacking and mocking in local is not the most classy way to end a friendship and taking over sov in a system that until recently was controlled by friends though. Calling it a defense of own interest is all well and good, but laughing about taking over ex-friends space in local seems to contradict that a bit. I am not involved in this personally though, so I'll wish both alliances good luck and happy shooting.
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:20:00 - [60] Edited by: Venix on 18/04/2007 11:23:10 Edited by: Venix on 18/04/2007 11:17:35 Originally by: Frygok Smacking and mocking in local is not the most classy way to end a friendship and taking over sov in a system that until recently was controlled by friends though. Calling it a defense of own interest is all well and good, but laughing about taking over ex-friends space in local seems to contradict that a bit. I am not involved in this personally though, so I'll wish both alliances good luck and happy shooting. When the hell did NBSI come back? Is DJ still there? You know RULE is a bunch of Ex-NBSI dont ya? Anyway, the local was done by 2-3 of the newer alliance members and they were asked to stop, but persisted. RULE does not approve of local smack nor have we ever done it. I am sorry for letting people feel as if we had poor intentions in local, as it was not ment. Reasoning for taking the station we have made clear. Security. We offered tre full rights to everything including our space, we just control the station and they said no. We are very close to more hostiles then people think, so an outpost covered with 2 towers is not acceptable. Any noob alliance can steamroll 2 towers and setup 12 more. We didnt want that to happen and then have to remove them. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni

goober GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:34:00 - [61] Edited by: goober on 18/04/2007 11:31:18 Originally by: Akashha I think its quite obvious goober that when u find 12 POS's in youre main system is considered worse then shooting down one blue ship and also considered an extremly hostile act. i didnt think i had to include the entire discussion on this thread.. we spammed pos's because Tre were incapable of keeping their system secure. we put them up to keep hostile alliances out. tre were friendly. btw: to my knowledge there was only one Tre pos with guns on it.. teh goob, again
goober GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:50:00 - [62] /puts up 2 pos's ensuring the security of geminate. "believe me, no one will contest this space now!"
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:55:00 - [63] Originally by: Venix Edited by: Venix on 18/04/2007 11:23:10 Edited by: Venix on 18/04/2007 11:17:35 Originally by: Frygok Smacking and mocking in local is not the most classy way to end a friendship and taking over sov in a system that until recently was controlled by friends though. Calling it a defense of own interest is all well and good, but laughing about taking over ex-friends space in local seems to contradict that a bit. I am not involved in this personally though, so I'll wish both alliances good luck and happy shooting. When the hell did NBSI come back? Is DJ still there? You know RULE is a bunch of Ex-NBSI dont ya? Anyway, the local was done by 2-3 of the newer alliance members and they were asked to stop, but persisted. RULE does not approve of local smack nor have we ever done it. I am sorry for letting people feel as if we had poor intentions in local, as it was not ment. Reasoning for taking the station we have made clear. Security. We offered tre full rights to everything including our space, we just control the station and they said no. We are very close to more hostiles then people think, so an outpost covered with 2 towers is not acceptable. Any noob alliance can steamroll 2 towers and setup 12 more. We didnt want that to happen and then have to remove them. You didn't get the memo? About the smacking part, am glad to hear that it was a single incident. It came off somewhat more extensive from the guy posting about them. As stated, I have no qualms with anyone involved, but your clarification is appriciated. You didn't sound like the smacking type either.
Flick1471 Gallente An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 12:37:00 - [64] All this makes me sad :( Good luck Tre kroner what ever happens... Looks like one big sticky mess.... sticky stick sticky, with some sticky in it...
God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.18 12:46:00 - [65] Originally by: goober /puts up 2 pos's ensuring the security of geminate. "believe me, no one will contest this space now!" put them in atioth again, and we will kiss them -- In Soviet Russia, the car drives you
Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:31:00 - [66] Originally by: God's Army Originally by: goober /puts up 2 pos's ensuring the security of geminate. "believe me, no one will contest this space now!" put them in atioth again, and we will kiss them Our point exactly. ______________________________________________ ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
Mr Abbadon Svea Rike Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:33:00 - [67] Rule of three aint doin nothing wrong about this action.
Lea Redux moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:36:00 - [68] I got a quote back from the days when RULE where venal residents that kindof explains it all: "Your point is sensible, but we only care about our own members." aka, they will do whats best for themselves every time. Nothing to fault them for, but you cant go around pretending to be "the good guys" with that stance.
Promon Delnai coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:46:00 - [69] Edited by: Promon Delnai on 18/04/2007 13:43:02 New region drama tbh once someone big and mean decides that theyre going to clear out the new regions, all those alliances are going to fold. You heard it here first. ________________
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:49:00 - [70] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Nex Angelus I just want to make a few comments before going to bed (11 hours of diplomatic talks is actually quite exhausting) - Yes, you spoke to one guy; me. I spoke to at least 6-7 of you guys, and none of you could give me straight answers for 11 hours. In this matter I spoke for the entire alliance, and had advisors with me on TS. - We were very forthcoming and gave you all the intel you asked for. Even intel that wasn't any of your business. And finally: - I have screenshots of every convo. The intel WAS my business. You being unable to in any way defend your outpost, not putting up towers, the majority of what really was Tre Kroner leaving, and your unwillingness to even talk about what I feel was an extremely generous offer, and finally your decision to end any hope of diplomacy is what has put you in the position you are in now. You leaving a station undefended with only 2 towers claiming sovereignty with 18 moons available, 6 jumps from us is the same as leaving a tank, with the engine running and the keys in the ignition pointing at my house. Taking their outpost off them getting enough to cover the towers and more in taxes from them and installing them as pets... wow if only everyone was as generous as you.

Helen STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.04.18 14:06:00 - [71] Originally by: Darknesss Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Nex Angelus I just want to make a few comments before going to bed (11 hours of diplomatic talks is actually quite exhausting) - Yes, you spoke to one guy; me. I spoke to at least 6-7 of you guys, and none of you could give me straight answers for 11 hours. In this matter I spoke for the entire alliance, and had advisors with me on TS. - We were very forthcoming and gave you all the intel you asked for. Even intel that wasn't any of your business. And finally: - I have screenshots of every convo. The intel WAS my business. You being unable to in any way defend your outpost, not putting up towers, the majority of what really was Tre Kroner leaving, and your unwillingness to even talk about what I feel was an extremely generous offer, and finally your decision to end any hope of diplomacy is what has put you in the position you are in now. You leaving a station undefended with only 2 towers claiming sovereignty with 18 moons available, 6 jumps from us is the same as leaving a tank, with the engine running and the keys in the ignition pointing at my house. Taking their outpost off them getting enough to cover the towers and more in taxes from them and installing them as pets... wow if only everyone was as generous as you. Yeah I guess its just the non stop blue love around here making us go all crazy generous. Oh wait that was sarcasm, on a forum of all things.
Oppus Edea Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.18 14:24:00 - [72] While we're still in angry-mode and fighting on the forums, I'd like to first thank RULE for a good cooperation while it lasted. Secondly, you have a weird way of creating stability. You might sweep us away and take over, and laugh about it, but then you will have created a motivated guerilla force to harass your own people for a long time. You've also shown other alliances that your so called "friendship" isn't worth much. You stabbed an ally in the back over issues that could have been dealt with in a much more productive way, and it reeks of ego and greed. I hope others remember this in the future when dealing with Rule of Three. Anyhoo, enough unpleasantries. Meet you guys in the field, hope we can keep it smack free on both sides.
Valkazm Amarr ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.18 14:32:00 - [73] slakta dom
Novum	Posted - 2007.04.18 14:46:00 - [74] Originally by: Attak But now where will we get all our swedish meatballs from?! im sure there are other swedish corps, then the corps in Tre Kronor ;)
Nex Angelus Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.18 15:11:00 - [75] Originally by: Novum Originally by: Attak But now where will we get all our swedish meatballs from?! im sure there are other swedish corps, then the corps in Tre Kronor ;) The spic... uhh, meatballs must flow. signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) No, it's 21 482 bytes, PHP-script exclude
sun ofabeach	Posted - 2007.04.18 15:13:00 - [76] damn i was looking forward to my break to fix my car. now i have to join up again! rule i hold you responsible for mee to not using my vette this summer
lan mandrahg	Posted - 2007.04.18 15:16:00 - [77] Edited by: lan mandrahg on 18/04/2007 15:12:45 sorry this is my main not sun
Aelena Thraant Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 15:36:00 - [78] Originally by: Oppus Edea While we're still in angry-mode and fighting on the forums, I'd like to first thank RULE for a good cooperation while it lasted. Secondly, you have a weird way of creating stability. You might sweep us away and take over, and laugh about it, but then you will have created a motivated guerilla force to harass your own people for a long time. You've also shown other alliances that your so called "friendship" isn't worth much. You stabbed an ally in the back over issues that could have been dealt with in a much more productive way, and it reeks of ego and greed. I hope others remember this in the future when dealing with Rule of Three. Anyhoo, enough unpleasantries. Meet you guys in the field, hope we can keep it smack free on both sides. Well good luck on the smack free... I had to block Rule of Three from our recruitment channel because a couple of their members joined and started smacking in it... Very classy.... It's one thing to smack in local it's a whole other thing to join a recruitment channel and start smacking. When pets attack
Hitman396 Caldari Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 15:49:00 - [79] Someone set us up the bomb!!!11
William DeMeo Gallente Serial Killers Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.18 15:59:00 - [80] Edited by: William DeMeo on 18/04/2007 15:57:16 You have my Vexor Yarr

Jeremiah Orr STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:16:00 - [81] Originally by: Tomas Ysidro I for one just twitched at the thought of 11 hours of diplomatic talks Post with your main, Ysiddy!
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:24:00 - [82] Shame to see two former friends duking it out. Hope you guys have fun. I can understand why RULE did what they did, but it sounds like it could have been handled better. In this game, the best deffense is to activley enforce it. ________________________________________________________
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:37:00 - [83] Hmm after reading some more.. Its an unfortunate situation.. and one that can still be resolved peacefully.. Reminds me of Immensea situation with a dying chimp. I said youngman put yer pride on the shelf, and just go there.. to the rule of three.. and talk! it! out! calm!ly! -------------------------------
Kaylana Syi The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:56:00 - [84] Wrong place, wrong time, wrong amount of moon coverage. If you feel you absolutely cannot stand the circumstances then put all your stuff on the market, invest in cloaks, reconds, and t2 sensor boosters, and go burn eden on them. You will both have fun. Team Minmatar
Nex Angelus Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:10:00 - [85] Originally by: mamolian Hmm after reading some more.. Its an unfortunate situation.. and one that can still be resolved peacefully.. Reminds me of Immensea situation with a dying chimp. I said youngman put yer pride on the shelf, and just go there.. to the rule of three.. and talk! it! out! calm!ly! We have every intention to try and solve this as peaceful as possible. The only reason we put RULE to red was that they did so first. We stated that we would take action, not that we'd start a war on them, and upon recieving this RULE promptly put us to red. We don't want to take any steps that will add to this conflict until all other possibilities has been exhausted. However, after RULE put us to red, and started fireing at our ships we saw no choise but to defend ourselves. However, RULE doesn't seem to share our point ov view when it comes to a possible diplomatic solution. I have gotten reports that they have called in their capital fleet and put a few (possibly all 8) of our remaining towers in MK in reinforced. Finally, I want to make one thing clear: We belive that diplomacy is the solution to this crisis, but if the diplomatic solution means giving up our station we will have no part in it. signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) No, it's 21 482 bytes, PHP-script exclude
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:14:00 - [86] For all the reasons for wardeccs that i ever witnessed this as got to be the lamest one. You could have just said that you wanted that system and thats it. What a lol. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Elinoria Gallente Northern Shadowrunners Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:45:00 - [87] Edited by: Elinoria on 18/04/2007 17:41:48 Originally by: gooberEdited by: goober on 18/04/2007 10:18:08 obviously literacy is not a requirement in the eve universe. RULE is being accused of making a land grab and shooting blues. if you are capable of reading, u know these accusations are not true. there was not 1 shot fired until Tre told RULE they would be set as hostile. so naturally, Tre were set hostile to RULE. only then did RULE engage. i dont think any 0.0 corp or alliance would hesitate to omgwtfpwn a hostile alliance only 6 jumps from their home system. no hard feelings Tre. i sincerely hope u put up a good fight. teh goob Now it seems as facts is the problem here, not literacy. 1) RULE spams our system with POS in a time of change when corps was leaving our alliance our POS-coverage temporarily was lower than ever. This timing is not strange since they have scouted our system since some time back, and earlier have shown an intrest in our area. This was their first hostile move. 2) Under diplomatic conversations they stated that this invasion was due to the lack of 51% coverage of the moons, and that they would remove their POS if we filled the empty moons. 3) Their haulers continued to deliver material to their POS in our system, eventhough they claimed this would be temporary if we filled the empty moons. Something that already partially was in our plans, but we didn¦t get time to fulfill because of the timing RULE had. 4) We furfilled their demand some hours later, then RULE changed their statement and demand us to be their rats or enemies, showing us that they only bought time with it, and they never intended to withdraw from our space. Their words and promises had no value here. This was their second hostile move. 5) Since we had agreed not to accept such thing, our diplomat said no and that we should take appropiate action (diplomatic). 6) RULE sets us red, and some of them said in local "Look at all the blue that turned red", including with some unpolite smacking. This was an open war declaration. 7) Some minute later RULE kill/pod a member of TRE, at this time RULE still was blue to us. This showned that war was what they had choosed, and they alone. 8) TRE sets RULE to red, since THEY had engaged a hostile act with blood against someone who minutes ago was blue to them, and still had them blue. This continues to show their hostile mind. It seems that RULE have set in mind to take a big part of this ownmade war to victory by propaganda without any concern to facts or truth - likewise no honor in their own word or the reputation of our alliance. This is however the facts of the chronologhy to how the POS:s came to us, and how the diplomatic was handled and when and how the redtags appeared. Ill post it here now since some cry babies didnt like a second thread. :) Elinoria CEO of Northern Shadowrunners CEO of TRE KRONER
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:53:00 - [88] Doesn't RULE have enough hostiles already?
Harisdrop Gallente Vindicate and Deliverance	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:57:00 - [89] Hmmm this has Jascal Rules all over it. I guess the Shi ttake dream ended fast. That man could of made friends out of BoB given time. This could bring me to the drone regions after all. I guess I need to get back into the game full time. I know a few that would love to get back at RULE noobs. Diplomacy for 11 hours I bet Jascal took notes.
Talia Windheart Minmatar Kouncel	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:17:00 - [90] This has harisdrop dosnt' have a clue all over it.. damn.. and ithought u had half a brain cell.. RONAD is no longer a Rule of three member Corporation.. and unless you have something to say about the Tre/Rule Fighting Keep The personal Stabs about jascal to your self or eve-mail him. i am sure he can talk to you.

Megan Maynard Minmatar RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:18:00 - [91] Originally by: Harisdrop Hmmm this has Jascal Rules all over it. I guess the Shi ttake dream ended fast. That man could of made friends out of BoB given time. This could bring me to the drone regions after all. I guess I need to get back into the game full time. I know a few that would love to get back at RULE noobs. Diplomacy for 11 hours I bet Jascal took notes. What? FYI, RONAD is no longer in RULE. Jascal had nothing to do with this.
Harisdrop Gallente Vindicate and Deliverance	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:38:00 - [92] Thanks guys I am sorry about that will keep out of it. Hey Jascal how you doing!!!
Torrus Blatella Caldari Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:24:00 - [93] The best of luck to Tre Kroner. Resist this unwarranted aggression with the best of luck.
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:53:00 - [94] Originally by: Harisdrop Hmmm this has Jascal Rules all over it. I guess the Shi ttake dream ended fast. That man could of made friends out of BoB given time. This could bring me to the drone regions after all. I guess I need to get back into the game full time. I know a few that would love to get back at RULE noobs. Diplomacy for 11 hours I bet Jascal took notes. You really should look before you open your mouth. We left RULE weeks and weeks ago to avoid situations like this. So, do your homwork next time before you make false, and incriminating statements. so STFU. ________________________________________________________
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:17:00 - [95] CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!!
Jascal RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:19:00 - [96] Haris, good to hear from you, even if it was an eye poke chuckles Time to stop tossing stones and get this thread back on track. -Old and in the way . . Shine up the Mod's bullet before you let them carry it in their shirt pocket :)
Allyourbase Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:33:00 - [97] Originally by: Hitman396 Someone set us up the bomb!!!11 WE GET SIGNAL.
Sku1ly STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:37:00 - [98] Originally by: Aelena Thraant Well good luck on the smack free... I had to block Rule of Three from our recruitment channel because a couple of their members joined and started smacking in it... Very classy.... It's one thing to smack in local it's a whole other thing to join a recruitment channel and start smacking. Hi! STK-S
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.18 21:54:00 - [99] Again to be absolutely clear. Ideally I'd like this to get it's own thread, but then again, this is only the events in one region, and there's plenty of other stuff going on, and so far at least 3 Tre Kroner threads started. We have been at Tre Kroner for THREE WEEKS to fix the POS coverage in their home system. During those 3 weeks any hostile entity could have come in, and whipped the station out from under them. If that had happened, RULE would have a hostile alliance 6 jumps away, with multiple POSs we'd have to break down and remove. Was that acceptable to RULE? No. Not at all. We contacted Tre Kroner - we have always been friendly with them. I spoke to them and raised my concerns about their space, and told them that they had to cover their moons. It's all very well being friendly, but you don't put your friends at risk because you can't manage. Us and other concerned entities in the new regions monitor station sovereignty. Because the fact is if we don't, other people will. If you look back to KOS in the KOS+LV+etc v RA+Goonswarm+TCF etc. KOS haemoraged space because of bad POS coverage. If you look at the Goonswarm versus YouWhat/D2 campaign last year, the only reason Goonswarm got a foothold - and who can blame them - is bad POS coverage. If you look at NBSI last year, we lost a station because of bad POS coverage. I'm quite sure it happens all over Eve. The most common reason for space being quickly lost is bad POS coverage. That is a fact. For three weeks waited, watching the POS coverage not getting better, but getting worse. When it dropped to two towers and there were reports of hostiles camping the system we decided we could wait no longer, we HAD to act. We believed, and we still believe that if we had not have acted then if it wasn't us it would have been someone else. And we all know what ensues if it was someone else. The point at which we spent fifteen billion on towers, fuel and modules was the point of no return for us. We are not a rich alliance, the new regions are not the plentiful ISK farms they were when Kali went in. Everybody knows now that there is no ore to mine, and that the value of the rats there has more than halved. Since we moved to the new regions we have worked long and hard, and spent many billions of ISK defending our position by removing any threats that presented themselves. Blood Radiers Alliance was the first entity we "encouraged" to move. FREGE and friends felt a bit of pressure from us. The second latest one was Fatal Alliance, in which we endured a long campaign against stalward defenders to remove what we considered to be a launching point for LV/BoB friendlies, and an alliance that would boom when LV folded. Lately as you may have seen in other threads there was the alliance that split from OXIDE, with Triumverate assistance and attempted to set themselves up in OXIDE space. All of our actions have proven that we take our own security seriously, and we do not take a back seat in things. We proactively deal with problems before they get out of control. Yesterday, when we deployed towers in Tre Kroners home system, I wasn't around. I was quickly filled in, I gathered information from Tre Kroner, and had a quick meeting with my CEOs. The decision we reached was that we do not know the new Tre Kroner, we've had our hands forced to spend 15 bil that we did not want to spend. And we certainly were not going to return to the position things were in before. I offered Tre Kroner a very fair solution. I've said it was fair, Tre Kroner outright said no and set us hostile. They are in no state to hold a system, we cannot have that liability so close to us, we took necessary action and we stand behind it. As for us being nice people? We're not "nice", we do what we need to for the benefit of our members. Tre Kroner lost the plot, failed to cover their home system and placed us in direct danger, for THREE WEEKS. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.04.18 22:59:00 - [100] Edited by: Victor Vision on 18/04/2007 23:00:35 Looking at this discussion from a distance some points stick out of the mess. a) RULE has a very valid point about an ally next door not protecting space sufficiently, and with that endangering not only themselves but also allies. b) It seems pilots on both sides do not realy want to shoot at each other, but would prefer a diplomatic solution. c) From my own experience I know that an attacking alliance might get into internal troubles if it agresses a former ally, if friendships were formed between the alliances. This can lead to pilots or even corporations leaving from the attacking alliance since they might feel they are backstabbing friends and do not want to do so. My opinion on this matter is that RULE and TRE should hold talks again, with a neutral mediator - both sides can agree upon - in charge of the talks. Obviously if RULE or TRE do not want a peacefull solution, then there will not be any. But if both sides want to work together again instead of against each other, I see a high chance of success to a peacefull resolution in this conflict. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)

Nex Angelus Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.18 23:03:00 - [101] Stamm, I'd like to start by thanking you for posting this, and keeping it in a civil tone. I must admit that you have gotten most of the facts straight, except for one: We did not put you to red. We took that measure only as a result of seeing our ships exploding around us. We have not mobilized any major fleets against you, nor have you seen any of our capital ships. Why? Because we want this to end in the most peaceful way possible. The only gang assembled was in our home system, and that was only to keep you from having free access to it. Further you say we have been camped, and I must admit that it is news to me. If you are referring to the roaming gangs of neutrals that from time to time has payed us a visit, I will have to counter by mentioning that those gangs have spent most of their time in your very own space. Now, our diplomats are working hard for this to come to a peaceful end. Hopefully I will have the opportunity to speak with you again in this matter. signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) No, it's 21 482 bytes, PHP-script exclude
Nagarutu Mishima The Movement	Posted - 2007.04.19 02:26:00 - [102] Well, Tre Kroner.. honest.. you wanna kill them RULE.. I would, so plz I know your great guys and will kick them rule's ass! Bring out the killer instinct and RULE will be history. Go TRE! Latest Movie: The Command Movement
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 02:51:00 - [103] Originally by: Mistress Suffering Doesn't RULE have enough hostiles already? Quite honestly no. We have two people we're allowed to fight, BOB and pets are on the other side of empire and triumverate live in an npc station and don't really count. Our miners can't mine in our space, our pvpers have nobody to fight.... LV was the last allaince that we were not blue to.... god help triumverate if they ever grow into their own station because we're totally starved for people to kill. I would love if BOB would come to the north to fight but I don't see that happening anytime soon either. We're pretty tired of NPCing and want a war... that said, most of us don't want a war with blues, but it's a mixed feeling of "well, at least there's somebody to fight." If we had asteroids to mine or complexs to farm, we'd be the #1 alliance for carebears to flock to. -Bart
Kurupt Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.04.19 03:16:00 - [104] So lets see you are blue to them so you go around scanning there outpost system for pos's? Doesn't sound like something a blue would do You could have given them a time frame of which you wanted to see more POS's up and if they didn't comply you would sent them to netural and take the system. Putting pos's in a system while you are still blue is shady doesn't matter what number of pos's they have. Also its there system let them protect it who they want. Sounds like you guys want people to fight so letting them keep the pos numbers low makes it easier for attackers to fight you ;-)
Lageen Rankey Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.19 07:52:00 - [105] Edited by: Lageen Rankey on 19/04/2007 07:49:35 Wait.. So first you complain that you don't have enough enemies and that you have to travel 100 jumps to find one, and then you use the fact that an enemy might get a foothold close to you as a reason to attack them? To me it seems like you just picked an easy target while TRE were going through rough changes. My opinion about RULE just changed drastically. Best luck to TRE! Edit: spelling...
Heintron Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.19 07:59:00 - [106] If CCP could just fix these roids we would all happily be mining veldspar. It's all CCPs fault I say!
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:34:00 - [107] Originally by: Kurupt So lets see you are blue to them so you go around scanning there outpost system for pos's? Doesn't sound like something a blue would do You could have given them a time frame of which you wanted to see more POS's up and if they didn't comply you would sent them to netural and take the system. Putting pos's in a system while you are still blue is shady doesn't matter what number of pos's they have. Also its there system let them protect it who they want. Sounds like you guys want people to fight so letting them keep the pos numbers low makes it easier for attackers to fight you ;-) We gave them 3 weeks to fix the issue. Moon coverage went from 8 to 6 to 2. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:38:00 - [108] Originally by: Lageen Rankey Edited by: Lageen Rankey on 19/04/2007 07:49:35 Wait.. So first you complain that you don't have enough enemies and that you have to travel 100 jumps to find one, and then you use the fact that an enemy might get a foothold close to you as a reason to attack them? To me it seems like you just picked an easy target while TRE were going through rough changes. My opinion about RULE just changed drastically. Best luck to TRE! Edit: spelling... Sir Bart does not speak for RULE. Please do not take his comment as what leadership and all members do. To clear up his statement a little, the mk- outpost would have be an easy take over for anyone. Alliances that wish to create hostilities in the new regions would have had the abality to take it over in a matter of hours with no resistance. We were even worried about you guys taking it, so please dont think we did it as a land grab. We dont need the station and its just a big isk drain to have to babysit it now because they cant take care of it. We have no use for 2 refining stations within 6 jumps, so it was for security, not greed. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:50:00 - [109] Originally by: Sir Bart Originally by: Mistress Suffering Doesn't RULE have enough hostiles already? Quite honestly no... Mr. Bart, there is a good solution to this, it is called field trips. Get whatever you want to a nice staging point close to the field trip target, and use jumpclones to switch between your home system and the field trip location. Btw, if I remember right, you are starring in a famouse TV series and always causing trouble there, aren't you, Bart? Regards, VV EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
MadMerlin Northern Shadowrunners Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:51:00 - [110] Edited by: MadMerlin on 19/04/2007 10:48:37 Originally by: Venix Originally by: Lageen Rankey Edited by: Lageen Rankey on 19/04/2007 07:49:35 Wait.. So first you complain that you don't have enough enemies and that you have to travel 100 jumps to find one, and then you use the fact that an enemy might get a foothold close to you as a reason to attack them? To me it seems like you just picked an easy target while TRE were going through rough changes. My opinion about RULE just changed drastically. Best luck to TRE! Edit: spelling... Sir Bart does not speak for RULE. Please do not take his comment as what leadership and all members do. To clear up his statement a little, the mk- outpost would have be an easy take over for anyone. Alliances that wish to create hostilities in the new regions would have had the abality to take it over in a matter of hours with no resistance. We were even worried about you guys taking it, so please dont think we did it as a land grab. We dont need the station and its just a big isk drain to have to babysit it now because they cant take care of it. We have no use for 2 refining stations within 6 jumps, so it was for security, not greed. Yes Yes you play youre charade, STK scientific has told here on the forums and in local what they Think and what Rule thinks pretty clearly a very good asset to youre alliance i must admit.

God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.19 12:13:00 - [111] Originally by: Sir Bart Originally by: Mistress Suffering Doesn't RULE have enough hostiles already? Quite honestly no. We have two people we're allowed to fight, BOB and pets are on the other side of empire and triumverate live in an npc station and don't really count. Our miners can't mine in our space, our pvpers have nobody to fight.... LV was the last allaince that we were not blue to.... god help triumverate if they ever grow into their own station because we're totally starved for people to kill. I would love if BOB would come to the north to fight but I don't see that happening anytime soon either. We're pretty tired of NPCing and want a war... that said, most of us don't want a war with blues, but it's a mixed feeling of "well, at least there's somebody to fight." If we had asteroids to mine or complexs to farm, we'd be the #1 alliance for carebears to flock to. -Bart so you going to "backstab" your friends Tre Korner, because your bored and u want a war, and u guys saying "Tre Korner are not securing the moons in their home system" and u set them red while they still have you blue... then moved your pvp gangs toward their system and start ganking them. is this the new way of Helping a Friendly alliance Security? i guess im gonna set Smash -10 and secure TDE and gank Peoke.. Very classy. tic toc -- In Soviet Russia, the car drives you
DeGrand Warspite Developments Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 13:43:00 - [112] sigh just read Stamm`s post will ya. Your post is wrong on all accounts.
Voltron Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 14:08:00 - [113] HUGZ AND/OR KISSES FOR ALL!!!! Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it? [yellow]snip Signature inappropriate for the forums, please email us - Kreul Int
MadMerlin Northern Shadowrunners Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.19 14:55:00 - [114] Now here is where it gets blurry for me since they only wanted to help us and safekeep us right ? At the same time they started spamming our system with POS's they revoked our clones and station acess to theyre own station 5 jumps away. Now they only wanted to help us, right ?
Nertzius Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.04.19 15:17:00 - [115] Originally by: Sir Bart We have two people we're allowed to fight, BOB and pets are on the other side of empire and triumverate live in an npc station and don't really count. LOL. Your gang last night only wanted to gank. When a Triumverate/Praesidium gang denied them passage through MT02-2 your guys went home the long way rather than engage our gang which was 2/3 their size and significantly mismatched. It would have been an interesting fight had it happened. If you want a fight, bring it, you know where we are. Nertzius
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 15:21:00 - [116] Originally by: Kurupt You could have given them a time frame of which you wanted to see more POS's up and if they didn't comply you would sent them to netural and take the system. 3 weeks Originally by: Kurupt Also its there system let them protect it who they want. Not anymore unfortunately. I have the feeling that this isn't going to really go anywhere really anyways and just fizzle. You can please some of the people most of the time and most of the people some of the time, but you never please all the people all the time. Velios M.Corp on LV fall -"Whatever your viewpoint, the undeniable truth is that against such numbers of committed players in the coalition, we were doomed."-
Szprinkoth Sponsz Chaos Reborn 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.04.19 15:25:00 - [117] Carebear Swedes running around like headless chickens ITT
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 16:28:00 - [118] Noticed my last reply was misinterpreted. I was responding to the comment "Don't you have enough hostiles already" and as I am frusterated with nobody to fight I responded with the truth. People on my side and passerbye's misinterpreted that as a reason why we attacked and that was not my intent. I was just going off topic and people interpreted that I was referring reasons for war. As Venix said, I don't speak for RULE and would not come in here spewing reasons for attacking, as I said on page 2, I'm a soldier, not a politician. I'm unhappy to be fighting Tre Kron because I've always considered them friends. But at the same time... My comment stands, I'm getting pretty bored with nobody to fight. -Bart
skobe 2	Posted - 2007.04.19 16:42:00 - [119] Dont see the ponit. If u where freinds, why did u not help TRE to put up more pos in the area and help them to secure the system. If u where freinds? a freind had Helped, before making a hostile act. and help means not talk with threats. Who need enemy then u have freinds like that!!!
Dawn Razor Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.19 17:04:00 - [120] Originally by: Stamm A long post Stamm, You and your alliance are obviously very concerned about the security in our neighbourhood. That is a good thing. However, there are a couple of things that your long post still don¦t manage to explain; Instead of spending all those billions on all those towers and try to sneak in RULE sov, why didn¦t you just help us out? The initial agreement after your sudden operation was that we would cover at least 51%, and you could deploy more posses as you saw fit for security reasons. That would have made our regions both safer and friendlier for all of us. We have a hard time explaining your motives to our members, and you are not very helpful. Dawn Razor, Diplomat

cheru Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.19 17:24:00 - [121] Weak friends who want to be big always bring you down. The fact that TRE comes whining to ze forum instead of going an kicking Ro3's ass tells me that they might be a "weak friend" atm. So why do you insist to be able to stand on your own feet if in fact you just can't? You are owning an outpost but can't defend it? You will lose it, simple as that. If I were you I'd be happy if I'd lose it to "friends" who will still let me live there after the takeover. Oh and it might be a good "diplomatic solution" if Ro3 buy the outpost from TRE instead of just taking it. ;) That aside blue on blue action sucks, that's just bad style. ................................................. been there done that
Helen STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.04.19 17:31:00 - [122] Originally by: Dawn Razor Originally by: Stamm A long post Stamm, You and your alliance are obviously very concerned about the security in our neighbourhood. That is a good thing. However, there are a couple of things that your long post still don¦t manage to explain; Instead of spending all those billions on all those towers and try to sneak in RULE sov, why didn¦t you just help us out? The initial agreement after your sudden operation was that we would cover at least 51%, and you could deploy more posses as you saw fit for security reasons. That would have made our regions both safer and friendlier for all of us. We have a hard time explaining your motives to our members, and you are not very helpful. Dawn Razor, Diplomat We gave you three weeks to sort this out you did nothing. Now you expect us to what give you pos to cover your moons? Originally by: MadMerlin Yes Yes you play youre charade, STK scientific has told here on the forums and in local what they Think and what Rule thinks pretty clearly a very good asset to youre alliance i must admit. Unless something comes from me anything my pilots say on this section of the forums is their personal opinion. Originally by: skobe 2 Dont see the ponit. If u where freinds, why did u not help TRE to put up more pos in the area and help them to secure the system. If u where freinds? a freind had Helped, before making a hostile act. and help means not talk with threats. Who need enemy then u have freinds like that!!! Apart from not showing your corp or alliance we had helped them by giving them time. 3 weeks is a long time in EvE, alot of things can happen. Originally by: God's Army Originally by: Sir Bart Originally by: Mistress Suffering Doesn't RULE have enough hostiles already? Quite honestly no. We have two people we're allowed to fight, BOB and pets are on the other side of empire and triumverate live in an npc station and don't really count. Our miners can't mine in our space, our pvpers have nobody to fight.... LV was the last allaince that we were not blue to.... god help triumverate if they ever grow into their own station because we're totally starved for people to kill. I would love if BOB would come to the north to fight but I don't see that happening anytime soon either. We're pretty tired of NPCing and want a war... that said, most of us don't want a war with blues, but it's a mixed feeling of "well, at least there's somebody to fight." If we had asteroids to mine or complexs to farm, we'd be the #1 alliance for carebears to flock to. -Bart so you going to "backstab" your friends Tre Korner, because your bored and u want a war, and u guys saying "Tre Korner are not securing the moons in their home system" and u set them red while they still have you blue... then moved your pvp gangs toward their system and start ganking them. is this the new way of Helping a Friendly alliance Security? i guess im gonna set Smash -10 and secure TDE and gank Peoke.. Very classy. tic toc Ok put this on the other foot say you have an alliance living within 6 jumps of you and haven't got their moons covered to prevent a POS spam not only that but for months you've seen this and you gave them 3 weeks to sort it out but instead of sorting it they just made it even easier. What would you do then?
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 20:03:00 - [123] After we agreed to a Cease Fire for diplo talks. Tre Kroner has brought in hired mercs, and other hostiles to our space. Tre Kroner has been set to red now and there will be no further talks at this time. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 20:36:00 - [124] I'm really sorry to hear about Tre Kroner breaking off talks. As proof to the rest of the Eve Community that Rule did not plan some sort of sneak attack, I offer you the information that we had put all 4 of the Tre POS's into reinforced mode 2 days ago. (Only 2 had guns, by the way.) We allowed those towers to come out of reinforced yesterday while we continued talking. If we had desired a land grab, we had it in our hands yesterday. Tre Kroner, I truly wished we could have avoided this fight. The best I can wish for now is that it is over quickly so we can both proceed with our real goals in Eve.
Gullegumman Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.19 21:07:00 - [125] Just to be clear about what really happened when we "broke off talks"... While RULE were engaged in what they term "diplomatic talks", they were all the while still trying to claim our sovereign space as their own. As if this were not enough in passive action, they also had hostile pilots in what is still, for the moment, our sovereign space. Every moment that passes in the delays and deliberations so conveniently required by RULE is to their advantage. The clock is ticking in a very real sense, as they presently have more POSs claiming sovereignty in our home system. Delays tie our hands, while playing perfectly into the plans of RULE, as we can not attack their POSs during talks, and they merely have to wait to win. Claiming that our friends and cohorts are some sort of hired mercenary force come to make their lives miserable is just a PR play. They have come to help protect their friends, us, from an aggressor, just as we would do for them. Also, fighting to defend our space, which RULE continues to lay claim on, in the very core of our home, is not the same as attacking RULE, even by the most loose of standards. Thank you for your time. --- Gullegumman, FSltmarskalk, Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 21:40:00 - [126] I'm sorry you are taking my post as some form of propaganda, focusing on the phrase 'broke off talks'. Yes, we still have towers ticking towards soverignty. That is the timer that you have to find a way to stop this takeover. My point was that we could have had soverignty yesterday (or at least neutrality) if we desired it. The fact that we allowed more talking to continue should help you realize that this is not a fight we wanted. Again, I hope that something good can come out of the discussions. However, the system needs to be secure, and so someone's towers need to provide that security. Please use the time remaining to resolve that situation. Besides...my CEO would probably make me fuel them all, and I don't want to do that.
Mr Gangster	Posted - 2007.04.19 22:13:00 - [127] Edited by: Mr Gangster on 19/04/2007 22:12:44 Originally by: Sir Bart Originally by: Mistress Suffering Doesn't RULE have enough hostiles already? Quite honestly no. We have two people we're allowed to fight, BOB and pets are on the other side of empire and triumverate live in an npc station and don't really count. Our miners can't mine in our space, our pvpers have nobody to fight.... LV was the last allaince that we were not blue to.... god help triumverate if they ever grow into their own station because we're totally starved for people to kill. I would love if BOB would come to the north to fight but I don't see that happening anytime soon either. We're pretty tired of NPCing and want a war... that said, most of us don't want a war with blues, but it's a mixed feeling of "well, at least there's somebody to fight." If we had asteroids to mine or complexs to farm, we'd be the #1 alliance for carebears to flock to. -Bart Ok this quote does it lol, your newbs and if your space and your stations were worth taking we could easily take them from you. I dont normally flame but seeing as we have mutilated you in every engagement I feel I have to comment. Apologies to the rest but these rule guys are nothing but a joke when you fight them. If you are so sure you can take us on, why dont you try hitting a tower of ours, hell ill give you the location of one, but then you know you would just lose dreads.
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.19 22:15:00 - [128] Mr gangster is me btw.
Possesive Caldari GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 22:21:00 - [129] Originally by: Mr Gangster Edited by: Mr Gangster on 19/04/2007 22:16:19 So, no tower location then?
TwilightMadcat Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 22:22:00 - [130] Gf Tre Kroner

Oppus Edea Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.19 22:48:00 - [131] Yup, good fight and smack free. Your souls will feast with ours in Valhalla!
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.19 22:49:00 - [132] Edited by: Attak on 19/04/2007 22:45:04 I'm sorry, I was under the impression that this game is supposed to involve PVPing.
Gullegumman Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.19 23:10:00 - [133] Originally by: Princess Jodi I'm sorry you are taking my post as some form of propaganda, focusing on the phrase 'broke off talks'. Yes, we still have towers ticking towards soverignty. That is the timer that you have to find a way to stop this takeover. My point was that we could have had soverignty yesterday (or at least neutrality) if we desired it. The fact that we allowed more talking to continue should help you realize that this is not a fight we wanted. Again, I hope that something good can come out of the discussions. However, the system needs to be secure, and so someone's towers need to provide that security. Please use the time remaining to resolve that situation. Besides...my CEO would probably make me fuel them all, and I don't want to do that. I don't read your post as propaganda. I do however suspect that you have become the victim of disinformation provided by RULE members/leadership. In my long term dealings with RULE members I've always found them to think themselves on the side of what is proper, and I don't doubt that you really believe you are doing a good thing. Unfortunately, you have been misled. Claims that you do not want a fight, as well as the premise that your actions are based on a lack of security from our part should be doused now. RULE engaged in an all-out fleet attack on our core system, including our outpost. It is much too soon to claim wins or losses in terms of ISK and ships (also, I consider this entire affair one huge loss to regional stability), but the attack was brought to a standstill. Apparently, our security rivals at least your initial offensive capabilities, and as such your "casus belli" is down the drain. I hope that RULE leadership accepts the successful defense of our home system in this first wave of attack as proof that we do take our security, and that of our neighbors, seriously. With this in mind, you have no reason or right to continue your invasion of our home, so I am truly hopeful that hostilities will cease. --- Gullegumman, FSltmarskalk, Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
Niedar North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.19 23:48:00 - [134] From what I have read here, the only reason RULE dont own the station right now is that they let your POS come out of reinforced while they were doing peace talks with you. So i dont see how that was a defence of your system.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 23:56:00 - [135] Originally by: Niedar From what I have read here, the only reason RULE dont own the station right now is that they let your POS come out of reinforced while they were doing peace talks with you. So i dont see how that was a defence of your system. That is correct. We did not finish off their POSs, because Razor had engaged us in peace talks. Meanwhile Tre Kroner was bringing in Smash, Roadkill and Coalition of Carebear Killers. When we saw what they had done we set them back red again, and hastily got a fleet together. Jumped in, outnumbered and bashed the gate camp down (taking heavy losses), held the gate for a while, but had to get out. We inflicted heavy losses as well, but we did lose a couple of capital ships, mainly through pilot error (although not very big errors) when they hit us again back at the gate. Currently one of our POSs has been placed into reinforced, 11 more to go. Galaxian Recruitment Info
God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.20 00:27:00 - [136] Originally by: Dawn Razor Originally by: Stamm A long post Stamm, You and your alliance are obviously very concerned about the security in our neighbourhood. That is a good thing. However, there are a couple of things that your long post still don¦t manage to explain; Instead of spending all those billions on all those towers and try to sneak in RULE sov, why didn¦t you just help us out? The initial agreement after your sudden operation was that we would cover at least 51%, and you could deploy more posses as you saw fit for security reasons. That would have made our regions both safer and friendlier for all of us. We have a hard time explaining your motives to our members, and you are not very helpful. Dawn Razor, Diplomat gang me up Dawn -- In Soviet Russia, the car drives you
Kharass Al'Quam Minmatar Team Jihad	Posted - 2007.04.20 00:34:00 - [137] Originally by: Stamm Currently one of our POSs has been placed into reinforced, 11 more to go. You dont kid when you talk of pos spamming, 12 Pos in the sys, are we then talking about them being all large towers? Well pity on the people in charge of fueling them. For your sake i hope you dont get the same problems as ACSN had in the start in the bob war. We are talking about a hell off a investment seeing your facing smash. Please dont take my post as directed against any one in this fight and i hope the mighty Pew Pew will be on both sides. Only reson why i post is becouse of the mention of 12 pos, just find it a large amount of pos. Why i mention SMASH, well they started out specializing as a merc group taking out pos. Thank you all for the moment and fly safe.
Zlobodan Dahr Minmatar Endgame.	Posted - 2007.04.20 00:35:00 - [138] Kick some ass s-44
Shinjuro ToXiC. Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.20 00:36:00 - [139] Originally by: Stamm When we saw what they had done we set them back red again, and hastily got a fleet together. Jumped in, outnumbered and bashed the gate camp down (taking heavy losses), held the gate for a while, but had to get out. We inflicted heavy losses as well, but we did lose a couple of capital ships, mainly through pilot error (although not very big errors) when they hit us again back at the gate. You jumped into an almost dead even number camp. You "Bashed a camp" with "Heavy" losses? You held the gate while we killed your dread that was sieged at the station. So I guess if that is what you call holding the gate for a while.. As for your pilot error.. What more could that Carrier pilot of yours have done? He was dictor bubbled and quickly tackled as your other carriers watched an then cyno'd out to safety.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.20 00:42:00 - [140] Originally by: Shinjuro Originally by: Stamm When we saw what they had done we set them back red again, and hastily got a fleet together. Jumped in, outnumbered and bashed the gate camp down (taking heavy losses), held the gate for a while, but had to get out. We inflicted heavy losses as well, but we did lose a couple of capital ships, mainly through pilot error (although not very big errors) when they hit us again back at the gate. You jumped into an almost dead even number camp. You "Bashed a camp" with "Heavy" losses? You held the gate while we killed your dread that was sieged at the station. So I guess if that is what you call holding the gate for a while.. As for your pilot error.. What more could that Carrier pilot of yours have done? He was dictor bubbled and quickly tackled as your other carriers watched an then cyno'd out to safety. His TS was lagging, like the other carriers that jumped out, he'd have jumped out if he'd have heard anything on TS. 5 minutes before we first jumped into MK- our paid vent server was switched off, since I paid for it, and I'm the only one with access I'm a bit puzzled. I guess it's just bad timing though. Anyway, we were on one of our backup TS and a few people were having issues. The carrier pilot was one of them, he did not hear the order to bail. Galaxian Recruitment Info

Oppus Edea Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.20 00:55:00 - [141] This is not an official TRE statement, and I do not want to inflame the situation further, but I feel I must write this. You could have handled this in a much better way, that would have been beneficial for both parties, and would have insured stability. Our alliance might be small, but noone with any character would take first a backstabbing and then rolling over without putting up a fight. I still hope we can settle this over the negotiation table, but I doubt it after tonight. TRE is determined to defend, above all, our honour and sovereignity, at whatever cost. Stations can be rebuilt, new systems can be colonized, ships replaced, but honour and reputation can only be earned. We strongly feel we are in the right here, and so did many of our friends who came to our aid. The conflict, for us, is no longer about property, killcounts or anything like that, but over a great slight of honour to our name. We've shown tonight that we value loyalty, honour and friendship, something which we though RULE valued as well. You do not treat allies this way.
Gullegumman Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.20 02:08:00 - [142] Originally by: Niedar From what I have read here, the only reason RULE dont own the station right now is that they let your POS come out of reinforced while they were doing peace talks with you. So i dont see how that was a defence of your system. I must assume that Stamm simply misspoke when he said that this statement is correct. Without going in to to much detail, RULE does not own the station because they don't hold sovereignty... yet. They have all the towers in place (our towers are of no effect) to take over sovereignty of our home system. However, it takes up to 6 days for it to kick in. Once they have official sovereignty, they can take our outpost. "Letting" our towers survive when they came out of reinforced is of no consequence to them, as they will gain sovereignty either way. There are two ways in which sovereignty will remain in our hands. Either RULE withdraws and shuts off the claiming function of their control towers, or we destroy them. I for one am still hoping for the first of the two options, as I know an attempt at destroying the towers will be an uphill battle. Furthermore, we have nothing to gain by destroying the towers. It is a capital loss to them, as well as to us. It's really like tossing the ISK down the drain, as opposed to the peaceful dismantling that RULE could undertake, and could have undertaken, at any time. --- Gullegumman, FSltmarskalk, Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.20 02:27:00 - [143] As far as I am aware we placed the only two towers holding sov into reinforced, but did not finish the job because were had been asked to ceasefire until a diplomatic solution could be found. Had we killed your two POSs then sov would be neutral, and anybody could shoot the station. Had it not been for the ceasefire it would be station pingpong, with your guys having assets stuck inside. That is the situation as I believe it to be. Any hope of a diplomatic solution (which I had spent a great deal of time with Razor today trying to work out) died when you brought up several hostile alliances to attack us. These hostile alliances did not appear "all of a sudden" you were bringing them up during the cease fire, and using it to let your towers be recharged, and your brand new allies arrive. Had it been Tre Kroner, and the highly experienced Coalition of Carebear Killers only, then it would have been some fun fights, but I don't think the end result would have been in any question. It would have taken you having complete and utter control of the system 24/7 for you to remove our POSs in time. Now that you've involved so many other forces, then you may have enough to achieve your objectives. Smash, Roadkill, Coalition of Carebear Killers, Hellhounds and Tre Kroner combined is more numbers than we can hope to match on our own. We will see what happens, there will be some fights in the next few days, and a lot of ships are going to go pop :) Galaxian Recruitment Info
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.20 03:28:00 - [144] You wouldn't be in this spot had you not decided to attack blues. :] Maybe you should investigate the systems of the rest of your blues? And attack them pre-emptively too if they do not meet your standards? :]
Gullegumman Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.20 03:35:00 - [145] I have to disagree with Stamm on a major point. Friends coming to camp with us in our core system, (which is in a dead end, incidentally) is not an attack on RULE. If RULE had not consciously chosen to send a sizeable fleet with capital ships to our core system, they would not have encountered our friends and the ensuing battle would not have been waged. I don't see how a completely defensive gatecamp, in the most central of our systems, in a dead end, can be construed as an attack on RULE. --- Gullegumman, FSltmarskalk, Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
Nex Angelus Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.20 03:41:00 - [146] Originally by: Stamm As far as I am aware we placed the only two towers holding sov into reinforced, but did not finish the job because were had been asked to ceasefire until a diplomatic solution could be found. Had we killed your two POSs then sov would be neutral, and anybody could shoot the station. Had it not been for the ceasefire it would be station pingpong, with your guys having assets stuck inside. That is the situation as I believe it to be. Any hope of a diplomatic solution (which I had spent a great deal of time with Razor today trying to work out) died when you brought up several hostile alliances to attack us. These hostile alliances did not appear "all of a sudden" you were bringing them up during the cease fire, and using it to let your towers be recharged, and your brand new allies arrive. Had it been Tre Kroner, and the highly experienced Coalition of Carebear Killers only, then it would have been some fun fights, but I don't think the end result would have been in any question. It would have taken you having complete and utter control of the system 24/7 for you to remove our POSs in time. Now that you've involved so many other forces, then you may have enough to achieve your objectives. Smash, Roadkill, Coalition of Carebear Killers, Hellhounds and Tre Kroner combined is more numbers than we can hope to match on our own. We will see what happens, there will be some fights in the next few days, and a lot of ships are going to go pop :) Now, I feel that one very important detail is being left out here. You fired on our POS'es while we had a ceasefire, and put one of them in reinforced. At this point we felt that we simply could not wait any longer and invited some friends to the party to secure our home system. We are still willing to find a diplomatic and peaceful solution to this, and you are free to contact me or any of the other diplomats at any time. //Nex
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.20 07:49:00 - [147] i guess people should think twice before they do things huh? oh and
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.20 08:21:00 - [148] /me wishes he only had to go 6 jumps to find hostiles
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.04.20 09:03:00 - [149] Would'ave, should'ave, could'ave... It's on now! Kick some serious butt TRE and pals. <3 GgRG /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
MadMerlin Northern Shadowrunners Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.20 11:28:00 - [150] Edited by: MadMerlin on 20/04/2007 11:25:16 Good Fight in MK-YNM Last night Thanks to all our friends that came to drive out the Opressors. Props to Rule of three that showed up for a good fight and i hope there will be alot more of them ahead.

Mayalla Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.20 11:55:00 - [151] Hey, maybe we should hire some mercs, like they did? Anyway, the lag was awfull! I had like one picture change in 30 seconds. Totally unplayable....
MadMerlin Northern Shadowrunners Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.20 11:58:00 - [152] there was no Mercs hired Spontaneous defenestration are an old TRE member and CCK are friends of theyres.
luffeo	Posted - 2007.04.20 12:23:00 - [153] Hm so this is how some do to friends. I Realy hope Tre Kroner finish this of and take the Rule of Three station to. and that should be fair to, They ar e at war so Rule of Three know whats going on, not as they did sneek and pretend to be a friend. So go go Tre. Take Rule space to. If that space was my home i wood not like to have Rule of Three next door you can't trust them. This gose for all corps ho live in the north, think if some one attck a corp in that sector and you think you bak is safe you never know if Rule will stab you in that moment.......!
Minigin Ganja Labs Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.20 13:58:00 - [154] RULE is an alliance that has some serious pvpers, but they live in the most NAP'ed region of space. To exagerate their problems... there are literaly maybe neutral entities within 40 jumps of their home. i hope im not reading too much into this but i suspect they where making a move that would garantee some short term and needed pvp. They have attacked other blues in the past with little warning however i must admit they fight pretty fair and dont smack. Im wondering now though if they had anticipated the reaction from Geminate - where we are now seeing RK/SMASH(i think?) and CCK side with TRE. From previous experiance RK/SMASH are two of the most determained alliances i've had to fight. They really bring it. Did RULE slip up? can they now take TRE's station anyway? let alone defend their own? have they unleashed the menace that they supposidly feared to begin with? because unlike tre rk and smash arnt afraid to spam a system with deathstars, and they rarely back down from a fleet fight. i might add they have a knack for killing capitals... i really do hope that this can still be resolved peacefully, but in the event that it cant be. GL to both sides... and im sure you will have fun. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig i own every thread... you are just posting in them.
Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.20 14:24:00 - [155] Originally by: skobe 2 Dont see the ponit. If u where freinds, why did u not help TRE to put up more pos in the area and help them to secure the system. If u where freinds? a freind had Helped, before making a hostile act. and help means not talk with threats. Who need enemy then u have freinds like that!!! Help was offered.... they declined and told us they would take care of it.... 3 weeks passed... not only did they not take care of it, but they let it get worse. I was in KoS and saw what happened there. I will not let that happen in space that is part of my alliance and our allies defense. This didn't have to turn out this way. Tre Kroner could have done what needed to be done 3+ weeks ago. They could have accepted our help in the 1st place. They could have asked for help when 2 corps left (we knew only of one and only a few days before they left). You all seem to think we should have to babysit them. Well I'm sorry but 0.0 doesn't work that way. Originally by: Dawn Razor The initial agreement after your sudden operation was that we would cover at least 51%, and you could deploy more posses as you saw fit for security reasons. There was not an agreement made. You decided to hear that there was and refused to believe anything differently.... I have read the convo's (which match the screenies Nex took) and there was no "deal" made. We told you to make a good faith effort by filling the open moons and we would reopen talks pending us seeing that you had enough pos's (proof or stfu as people so love to say) to make 51% coverage of the moons. Maybe this was misunderstood because of language issues. But this does NOT mean that we were GUARANTEEING anything... rather it means that we would at that point be open for discussion. Another point to make here. Think about this all of you who think we did this for land grabbing sake: Why would we advise Tre Kroner of open moons AND tell them to fill said open moons if we simply wanted to steal the space? We could have easily filled the last 6 open moons and made things alot easier for ourselves. Originally by: Oppus Edea You could have handled this in a much better way, that would have been beneficial for both parties, and would have insured stability. Our alliance might be small, but noone with any character would take first a backstabbing and then rolling over without putting up a fight. It's not called backstabbing when you have been told it would happen. ______________________________________________ ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.20 14:43:00 - [156] There's nothing to be said really at this point. All RULE posting will now stop unless someone has a battle report, or the situation drastically changes. There's no point in this thread going over the same thing again and again. Let's keep the PvP in game. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.20 15:35:00 - [157] Originally by: Mayalla Hey, maybe we should hire some mercs, like they did? This is for pleasure, not profit.
Archon Theo Bleak Cabal Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.20 16:13:00 - [158] Quick update. The system is generally secure, we have a large bubble closing the pocket and we occasionally get a RULE kill. RULE are fueling their POS's and have 3 carriers in system, one of these carriers has come out of a POS forcefield to try and smartbomb us but has gone in again, buying time imo. I only have one thing to say to RULE, BRING IT! I can only speak from one point of view, my own.
Flick1471 Gallente An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.20 19:26:00 - [159] This is a complete mess, loool. Best thing to come out of it is combat practice... I am glad that tre kroner could bring it so well and with so many friends... it shows that they are still very capable... so anyone invading would be in for a good fight.. My own personal views make me wonder how things get this crAZY... but thats why i got feck all in this game and don't get tea and cookies in the diplomats rooms... GF tre kroner GF RULE If were gonna do it, lets do it smack free...
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.20 22:09:00 - [160] Let me preface this by saying this is not the official Oxide position, just my personal opinion - yada yada yada Simple solution here folks - Rule - Give Tre the towers they need to hold system security at an acceptable level. If they drop towers below the acceptable level again - and therefore place the security of every alliance in the area at risk - then smite them and get the rest of the area to help. Tre - Keep those towers fueled - and if you cant - then give up the station. Work out a plan to repay Rule for some portion of those towers. Also, get your "friends" out of the area before they shoot up any more blues and turn the entire region against you. Seriously folks - in the last 2 weeks alliances in the Kali regions who have managed to **** off the neighbors compound the problem by calling for help from alliances that are hostile to a majority of the Kali residents (Tri, Smash, and Roadkill). Honestly, I think its only a matter of time before someone tries to get BoB to help them. >rant off< ---- Rabb Darktide Fleet Admiral (CEO) / O X I D E High Council Independent Fleet [INDF] INDF Recruitment

USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:12:00 - [161] Ding Ding, USN Arriving.... USN CVN72 Fleet Commander USN CVN73 Command Leader USN CVN74 Skirmish USN CVN75 Armore Warfare SSN 609 Sub Surface Covert
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:21:00 - [162] Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 20/04/2007 23:17:57 Originally by: Rabb Darktide >rant off< What about letting TRE run their own space and alliance? It's as if Ro3 decides what TRE can do and how they should act. Obviously security wasn't a big problem - there are more methods to control your space than having 51% towers within 3 weeks (if that is even true). It's because TRE doesn't attack blues they have good friends supporting them. Simple.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:41:00 - [163] Originally by: Rabb Darktide >rant off< from the sounds of it you all need some hostiles.
DARKWANDERER Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:44:00 - [164] Rule seem to have the "deer in the headlights" look
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:05:00 - [165] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin What about letting TRE run their own space and alliance? An weakly protected outpost poses signifigant risks to the security of every alliance in the area. The right of any alliance to do what they will in their space ends when what they are doing causes signifigant security risks to their neighbors. As much as I dislike the idea of using force on friendly alliances, when compared with the alternative of someone like Triumvirate getting their hands on that outpost (which they would then use as a platform to strike out against everyone in the area), it becomes the lesser of two evils. Part of being "blue" to someone is not putting them in danger because of pride. Again - not an official Oxide statment - just my own personal musings. I still hope that both sides can come to a mutually satisfactory solution soon. ---- Rabb Darktide Fleet Admiral (CEO) / O X I D E High Council Independent Fleet [INDF] INDF Recruitment
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:09:00 - [166] I think im sencing something toward the end of this thread what may it be.
God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:27:00 - [167] ROADKILL official response to those who saying ROADKILL are Merc: -ROADKILL did not get paid by Tre Kroner. -ROADKILL never help people for ISK. -We are in mk- cuz we having fun, and we dislike the war mongers idea in Drone region. Have fun ingame, and stay away from forums. P.S, RULE get more people, we need some fun GL for all involved. God's Army Interstellar eXodus Founders of ROADKILL Alliance. -- In Soviet Russia, the car drives you
Zubenelgenubi Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:33:00 - [168] Gods is supplying me with one Gods modified Condor. Fitted with tachyon T2. For my aid in MK- Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:38:00 - [169] Originally by: God's Army ROADKILL official response to those who saying ROADKILL are Merc: -ROADKILL did not get paid by Tre Kroner. -ROADKILL never help people for ISK. -We are in mk- cuz we having fun, and we dislike the war mongers idea in Drone region. Have fun ingame, and stay away from forums. P.S, RULE get more people, we need some fun GL for all involved. God's Army Interstellar eXodus Founders of ROADKILL Alliance. Gods Army for President...
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:50:00 - [170] Originally by: Rabb Darktide Originally by: Tobias Sjodin What about letting TRE run their own space and alliance? An weakly protected outpost poses signifigant risks to the security of every alliance in the area. The right of any alliance to do what they will in their space ends when what they are doing causes signifigant security risks to their neighbors. As much as I dislike the idea of using force on friendly alliances, when compared with the alternative of someone like Triumvirate getting their hands on that outpost (which they would then use as a platform to strike out against everyone in the area), it becomes the lesser of two evils. Part of being "blue" to someone is not putting them in danger because of pride. Again - not an official Oxide statment - just my own personal musings. I still hope that both sides can come to a mutually satisfactory solution soon. Funny, this philosophy led to 150+ hostile fleets running around drone regions. I thought that was what you didn't want?

Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.21 01:54:00 - [171] Originally by: Graalum Funny, this philosophy led to 150+ hostile fleets running around drone regions. I thought that was what you didn't want? I guess we are just damned either way.. Had Rule not made the move that they did, it is not at all inconceivable that the station would be in Tri's hands right now. The point is, Rule has a strong case that Tre's leadership was negligent in securing the outpost and exposed the neighboring alliances to signifigant danger. Rule spent 3 weeks trying to settle the matter diplomatically. Whether you agree or disagree with Rule's position, portraying Tre as an innocent victim and Rule as some brute aggressor is intellectually dishonest. Again, the simple solution to all of this is for everyone to stop shooting, for the foreign forces to go home, and for Tre to secure that system (which may mean accepting some outside help if their corps are not able to do it fully). ---- Rabb Darktide Fleet Admiral (CEO) / O X I D E High Council Independent Fleet [INDF] INDF Recruitment
touchvill The Pikey Rebellion	Posted - 2007.04.21 02:31:00 - [172] Quote: I guess we are just damned either way.. Had Rule not made the move that they did, it is not at all inconceivable that the station would be in Tri's hands right now. What is your compulsion about Triumvirate? Every post of yours I read there is some sekrit conspiracy with Triumvirate trying to do something to harm you. You used Triumvirate as an excuse to attack Praesidium Libertatis. You seem to think Triumvirates sole goal is to **** in you cheerio's. Though I would wager that IF Triumvirate did want that outpost, placing more pos up would hardly be a turnoff for them. You keep using Triumvirate as an excuse to pick on your weakers friends. How about growing a sack and just saying "we want to kill you, now die" It's pathetic the lengths people go through to try an rationalise backstabbing to be honest.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 02:55:00 - [173] Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 21/04/2007 02:53:39 Originally by: touchvill excuse to pick on your weakers friends. [...] It's pathetic the lengths people go through to try an rationalise backstabbing to be honest. Actually, in the way they did it, I would think that the weak ones weren't TRE. It doesn't take strength to attack a friend, but it does take strength to support one. I think TRE's friends and TRE mutually have proved that. Your final sentence is a bullseye.
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.21 02:58:00 - [174] Originally by: touchvill You used Triumvirate as an excuse to attack Praesidium Libertatis. You seem to think Triumvirates sole goal is to ** in you cheerio's. Hello Mr. Praes alt man. Originally by:** touchvill Though I would wager that IF Triumvirate did want that outpost, placing more pos up would hardly be a turnoff for them. Actually, it would. Moving capitals from Venal into the new regions is not an easy task. If you can capture sov with POS spamming, you can take the station without dreads. Originally by: touchvill You keep using Triumvirate as an excuse to pick on your weakers friends. How about growing a sack and just saying "we want to kill you, now die" Actually, being that I, nor anyone in my allaince has fired a shot in this situation, I don't see how we are picking on or trying to kill Tre or Rule or anyone else involved in this little mess. If you will read what I wrote (to quote a certain radio host "Words mean things"), I indicated that the solution I, personally, think is best is a return to the status quo with improved system security - i.e. no one dead and no one being picked on... ---- Rabb Darktide Fleet Admiral (CEO) / O X I D E High Council Independent Fleet [INDF] INDF Recruitment
touchvill The Pikey Rebellion	Posted - 2007.04.21 02:59:00 - [175] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: touchvill excuse to pick on your weakers friends. [...] It's pathetic the lengths people go through to try an rationalise backstabbing to be honest. Actually, in the way they did it, I would think that the weak ones weren't TRE. And your final sentence is a bullseye. I didn't mean they were weak abillity wise. They were weak in the pos placement and the "friends" took advantage for the second time in a week,citing Triumvirate as an excuse to backstab with absoloutely no proof.(Typing at 3:30 doesn't do me any wonders)
touchvill The Pikey Rebellion	Posted - 2007.04.21 03:12:00 - [176] Quote: Hello Mr. Praes alt man. I am very much not an alt thank you very much (Newly aquired char) which you will see in a few days when I join Triumvirate. Quote: Actually, it would. Moving capitals from Venal into the new regions is not an easy task. If you can capture sov with POS spamming, you can take the station without dreads. So when they place their pos they just walk away for a few days and let you take their pos down? They would need their capitals there anyway to destroy any capitals trying to take down their pos. Also IF Trium wanted the station (which is purely speculation on your behalf) I said placing pos would not turn them off. If they wanted it, they would get it however they needed to. Quote: Actually, being that I, nor anyone in my allaince has fired a shot in this situation, I don't see how we are picking on or trying to kill Tre or Rule or anyone else involved in this little mess. If you will read what I wrote (to quote a certain radio host "Words mean things"), I indicated that the solution I, personally, think is best is a return to the status quo with improved system security - i.e. no one dead and no one being picked on... Ok you are not attacking friends this time. You instead use your tried and tested "Triumvirate's fault" card to rationalise one of your friends backstabbing your other friends. It's still the same, hide the truth behind lies and keep using Triumvirate as an excuse. I am sure they will enjoy being the reason friends backstab eachother, all this while they just get along with their own business securing Venal further.
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.21 04:06:00 - [177] Originally by: touchvill Ok you are not attacking friends this time. You instead use your tried and tested "Triumvirate's fault" card to rationalise one of your friends backstabbing your other friends. It's still the same, hide the truth behind lies and keep using Triumvirate as an excuse. I am sure they will enjoy being the reason friends backstab eachother, all this while they just get along with their own business securing Venal further. There was confirmed intel that, in the recent past that some in Tri were making plans to take at least one, and maybe two outposts in the new regions. That, my friend, is why the residents there are concerned about the security of the outposts in the area. Maybe Tri still has plans in the new areas, and maybe they don't, however, prudence demands that assume that a real possibility exists that they, or some other hostile, would try and take advantage of the situation. Remember, Rule spent 3 weeks trying to get this situation resolved with Tre, only to see the situation worsen. The posibility of having a hostile force take a station 6 jumps from your own is not something that most alliances would ignore. Could it have been handed better? Perhaps. I can't say because I wasn't involved. Can it be resolved peacefully? I am quite certain it can if both sides will sit down in good faith and work it out. ---- Rabb Darktide Fleet Admiral (CEO) / O X I D E High Council Independent Fleet [INDF] INDF Recruitment
Bobbechk Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.21 04:11:00 - [178] THIS is NOT a TRE official post, this only reflects my wievs! -It all is very clear now It wasnt really RULE who "backstabbed" Tre kroner. Today TRE kroner recived an ultimatum from RZR, "sell" the MK-Y staion to RULE or "the north" set us to -10 and wage war against us. This after sucsessfully putting most of the Rule pos'es into reinforced (and during the night i bet the rest would had been put into reinforced) This after repetedly fighting off the RULE agressors (now including GUARD) from the system We get the big gun pointed to our head and was being told to "sell" the station to Rule by RZR diplomats -Its all so increadably clear now, RZR didnt want us owning a station in the north, so they set up this scenario where RULE "the warmongers" takes our system. I pity all our poor Diplomats who spent hours, DAYS! talking to RZR and Rule about a peaceful way to settle this when they had made up their minds before day one. To Rule, havent had so mutch fun in a long while, thx for the fights, i guess this means you win eh? RZR you sure did make another enemy today! tic toc Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24,000 bytes.Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Julius Evola Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.21 04:59:00 - [179] This is also my personal views and do not necessarily represent TRE or GgRG: It was great fun fighting alongside and under the command of you guys from Roadkill and SMASH and whoever else was there. I haven't done much PVP yet as I'm still fairly new to EVE, but it was impressing and inspiring, and outside all the politics and stuff I would like to thank them for the experience. The same thanks goes to our opponents - politics aside.
tardblog Caldari Step It Up	Posted - 2007.04.21 06:27:00 - [180] Edited by: tardblog on 21/04/2007 07:00:21 Originally by: Rabb Darktide Originally by: Graalum The point is, Rule has a strong case that Tre's leadership was negligent in securing the outpost and exposed the neighboring alliances to signifigant danger. Rule spent 3 weeks trying to settle the matter diplomatically. Whether you agree or disagree with Rule's position, portraying Tre as an innocent victim and Rule as some brute aggressor is intellectually dishonest. And how do you know they spent 3 weeks???? They say so, and you think pepol can trust them on that point. When they sneak in to blue corps space and put up Towers in sted of say if you don't have so and so many up in x many days we will and take your station. The point is Rule was hoping they cloud get a easy station!!!!And when it was not so easy they run to Razor and cry well no need to say more

Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.21 07:22:00 - [181] Edited by: Venix on 21/04/2007 07:18:21 Edited by: Venix on 21/04/2007 07:18:04 We had the station system secured with 3 towers of 4 in reinforced, and stopped when Tre Kroner went begging to Razor. We stopped, let them rep towers, pulled forces, and then they brought it hostiles and fit up more towers with more guns. We had already won and wanted to settle it without fighting and they brought in the people, not us. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni
Chewan Mesa Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 08:14:00 - [182] Just making sure noone gets any ideas..these are purely my views and might vary greatly from those of my alliance leadership. Why on earth did you guys sell your station? We were in for it, I think we made that clear, and what do you think Razor would do at this time? Run over you and your allies? Meh, this could've been a fun time. Should've fought for your right to own an outpost. (Dont take it as flame, ofc its your decision which is fair enough, its just a pity)
tardblog Caldari Step It Up	Posted - 2007.04.21 08:25:00 - [183] I was not saying what you hade and so on,it was the way you did it. If you blue you don't do the things you did, It seem Tre got help from others show that they are a fair alliance. And have respect from others as they are willing to help out and don't demand ISK for it. And to me you don't have ther Class. You never do this to some one you are Blue to. If you what ther space then Declare war and do it the right way......
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 08:35:00 - [184] tobad the station got sold would have been funn to see a k25 again but then with much more capitals only thingh i like to add, they diddnt asked for oure help, we asked them if they needed some help . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Mele STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.21 10:11:00 - [185] I just wanna say gf and big respect to everyone I fought with and against over the last week. I had a great time. Its fights like these that keep showing that there is no other game out there that can get close in any way to a good EVE battle. /salute
Toppar Wear STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.21 10:55:00 - [186] GF to all of you.. Where was some very nice fights, the lag was not that bad on my part and i hope the same goes for the mayority (sp?.
touchvill The Pikey Rebellion	Posted - 2007.04.21 11:17:00 - [187] Quote: There was confirmed intel that, in the recent past that some in Tri were making plans to take at least one, and maybe two outposts in the new regions. That, my friend, is why the residents there are concerned about the security of the outposts in the area. Maybe Tri still has plans in the new areas, and maybe they don't, however, prudence demands that assume that a real possibility exists that they, or some other hostile, would try and take advantage of the situation. Who the hell confirms your intel? You are more or less saying, Triumvirate are our closest hostiles so they must be planning something mean. You are seriously suffering from tunnel vision which is a common problem when you have your head stuck up your arse. Now Razor jump in and force Tre to sell it. You are sure nice guys. I hope Tre and their real friends go to town on you all and relinquish you of this space you have so wrongly stolen from a single alliance. Pathetic behaviour to be honest from the "united north".
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.21 11:22:00 - [188] Originally by: Bobbechk ... RZR you sure did make another enemy today! WTF are you on about. How about you talk to your own diplos and get a clue as to what happened. RZR had no role in the start of this conflict. We just had to clean it up in a way that both entities was gonna be slightly dissapointed.
Helen STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.04.21 11:22:00 - [189] Situation is settled, official announcements from Stamm will follow. No more posting from STK on here. Oh and GF Tre either way both sides were going to escalate so I can't blame you for taking RK/SMASH help. Those posting in this that aren't in Tre or RULE then you can speculate or say whatever you wish as always in these forums people will come not to listen but to bring their own judgement.
Drebble Gallente S-44	Posted - 2007.04.21 11:29:00 - [190] These are my personal views, not of my corp, and certainly not of TRE as we are no longer members there. I'd like to thank W1N, CCK, SMASH and RK for a great time. Enormous respect for your dedication to your friends and your skills at the art of destruction. Respect also to the RULE pilots we fought, it was good and clean fights, and you kept coming even when the odds turned against you. Not so much respect to RULE leadership. And lets not start on RAZOR. Personally, I was of the opinion that TRE with friends should have swept RULE from 0.0, driven their ships before us, stampeded their women and surprise secksed their cattle. Or died trying Regards, Drebble ----------------------------------------- Ships are just ISK. Honor is Forever!

Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.21 12:12:00 - [191] We really really tried to solve it in the best way possible. And I know Drantis, Tweeky and Koth pulled in massive hours to do so. They spent countless hours talking to everyone, a great disservice to everyone involved and their effort if you think there was an agenda behind this.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 12:48:00 - [192] This was a bit anticlimactic, oh well, we pewpew somewhere else now. :)
Juno II Gallente S-44	Posted - 2007.04.21 12:52:00 - [193] Edited by: Juno II on 21/04/2007 13:02:50 When this war started it was with all of my heart i wanted to help Tre Kronor... Not any more. To sell the station was first of all a kick in the nuts for all our friends that came to help. Thanks to ALL our friends in W1N, CCK, SMASH and RK. They know how to fight and i hope we can in someway help you in the future (Doesn't seem like you need it tho :D.. ) RZR i can see that you guys wanted this to end fast, s-44 and Tre Kronor has allways been at good terms. Thoe i really hoped for a little more support, Not in ships but maybe in -10 at the first day their POSSES showed up, On the day after s-44 got ours down. But i do still like you guys, tho abit dissapointed : / Rule, You oppened Pandora's Box, obviusly your Station was a seciurity threat to ours... Im sorry that you felt ours was at risk. A friendship is much more worth... W1N, CCK, SMASH and RK proved that. And Last but not least. Tre Kroner. Now s-44 Doesn't fly under Tre flag anymore. And atleast im not sorry anymore... It once was a great allince. Once again thanks W1N, CCK, SMASH and RK. Atleast i won't forget your support! Sorry for my english played to much EVE so i didn't attend to clasess :D EDIT SPELLING! EVE-online.se - Swedish EVE community
God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 13:41:00 - [194] Drantis , i owe you 1 beer now -- In Soviet Russia, the car drives you
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.21 14:32:00 - [195] As part of the agreement, we're not going to air our dirty laundry on the Eve-O forums. There's plenty of smacktards who love nothing better than to spin and twist things. The matter is now closed. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Ace Frehley Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.04.21 15:48:00 - [196] Edited by: Ace Frehley on 21/04/2007 15:45:42 Kill em all Tre (again ) You got my support on this, spare noone up there in north, set all in a blazing fire Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes
luffeo	Posted - 2007.04.21 16:53:00 - [197] Edited by: luffeo on 21/04/2007 16:54:04 [
tardblog Caldari Step It Up	Posted - 2007.04.21 16:55:00 - [198] Edited by: tardblog on 21/04/2007 16:57:25 quote=Bobbechk]... RZR you sure did make another enemy today! WTF are you on about. How about you talk to your own diplos and get a clue as to what happened. RZR had no role in the start of this conflict. We just had to clean it up in a way that both entities was gonna be slightly dissapointed. So what Razor say we hade no role in this! So you did not say if you don't sell the station we will set you to -10? That is what I been told. If that is what you sade you sure hade something to do whit it.If not i don't under stand wy Tre is the one losing ther station. When its Rule that stab them in the back, but next time they may stab you saying you don't cover so and so many moons and and that not to Rule standard...
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.21 17:22:00 - [199] Originally by: touchvill Who the hell confirms your intel? I should tell you this why? Originally by: touchvill You are more or less saying, Triumvirate are our closest hostiles so they must be planning something mean. You are seriously suffering from tunnel vision which is a common problem when you have your head stuck up your arse. Such hate and hostility... Con't quite figure out why because you don't have a dog in this fight. Honestly, just about everything Tri does is "mean" to somebody. Why? Because they are a pvp allaince. Nothing nice about killing someone. Still a little baffled about the hate and anger from you for expressing the view that a hostile just might actually take a hostile act... Originally by: touchvill Now Razor jump in and force Tre to sell it. You are sure nice guys. I hope Tre and their real friends go to town on you all and relinquish you of this space you have so wrongly stolen from a single alliance. Pathetic behaviour to be honest from the "united north". Where did the "and friends" come from? Basically, from your world view, anyone not screaming "DIE RULE DIE" is some how conspiring to kill Tre and everyone else small and steal their land and blah blah blah? And you say I have tunnel vision? Whatever... ---- Rabb Darktide Fleet Admiral (CEO) / O X I D E High Council Independent Fleet [INDF] INDF Recruitment
KOTH Fluf Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.21 17:24:00 - [200] Respect for all parties involved in this. Mistakes were made on both sides, and both sides had to make concessions to end this conflict. Thanks to Stamm, Nex, Tweekant and Drantis for getting this worked out, and looking at the "big picture". Respect to Smash and Roadkill for pulling out when the agreement was reached. This conflict is now over and all parties should just leave this thread alone now. Nothing can be said that already hasnt been said. Now let go back to shooting the real enemies, mkay? Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi

Deja Nay Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.21 20:01:00 - [201] Originally by: KOTH Fluf This conflict is now over and all parties should just leave this thread alone now. Nothing can be said that already hasnt been said. Now let go back to shooting the real enemies, mkay? Well its obvious now who the real enemies are which is why so many of us have left TRE to fight them.
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.04.21 20:07:00 - [202] Certainly an interesting outcome. Looks like you guys had some fun doign the pew pew for a few days though. ________________________________________________________
Deja Nay Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.21 20:17:00 - [203] Originally by: Turin Certainly an interesting outcome. Looks like you guys had some fun doign the pew pew for a few days though. It was certainly a very weird decission which didnt have the support of the alliance or even the majority of the directors, our friends CAP fleets was on the way up and we was about to finish of the last POS's in our system when the decission came out.
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.04.21 20:32:00 - [204] Originally by: tardblog So what Razor say we hade no role in this! So you did not say if you don't sell the station we will set you to -10? That is what I been told. What you have been told is BS.
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.21 21:37:00 - [205] Originally by: Vodka Neat I have the feeling that this isn't going to really go anywhere really anyways and just fizzle. Just wanted to say "called it!" with no disrespect intended to either side. Velios M.Corp on LV fall -"Whatever your viewpoint, the undeniable truth is that against such numbers of committed players in the coalition, we were doomed."-
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.21 21:41:00 - [206] RULE. No more posts here. (And I mean that). This forum is for flames, smack and points scoring. There really isn't anything more to say. People will have already made their opinions unless they were directly involved, and if they were directly involved then likely nothing said here will change their minds. Situation has been finalised. Bigger things in motion. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.21 23:36:00 - [207] Originally by: Brka And pets.. what.. you pay no tax no resident fee. You get to rat outside your spaces again. Right. Pets. ------------------------
Pepzo	Posted - 2007.04.22 01:03:00 - [208] I'm ashamed of being swedish today.
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.22 01:22:00 - [209] Originally by: Rabb Darktide Originally by: Graalum Funny, this philosophy led to 150+ hostile fleets running around drone regions. I thought that was what you didn't want? I guess we are just damned either way.. Had Rule not made the move that they did, it is not at all inconceivable that the station would be in Tri's hands right now. The point is, Rule has a strong case that Tre's leadership was negligent in securing the outpost and exposed the neighboring alliances to signifigant danger. Rule spent 3 weeks trying to settle the matter diplomatically. Whether you agree or disagree with Rule's position, portraying Tre as an innocent victim and Rule as some brute aggressor is intellectually dishonest. Again, the simple solution to all of this is for everyone to stop shooting, for the foreign forces to go home, and for Tre to secure that system (which may mean accepting some outside help if their corps are not able to do it fully). Please someone tell me who the hell said we wanted anything in the new regions. Atm we live in venal we are happy, if we wanted a station in the new regions it really wouldnt be that difficult. Our intentions are usually all too clear, not one tower in the new regions have we attacked.
Junius Cruor Frater Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.22 01:37:00 - [210] i hate fun over the weekend. GF Ro3 fubar how Tre ended this, specially since the force we had we could have easily take Ro3 outpost also i think. props to RK and SMASH for helping out, tho we had a rough start and some fiendly fire accidents Junius Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why (don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo

iiixiii ToXiC. Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.22 02:16:00 - [211] Originally by: Junius i hate fun over the weekend. GF Ro3 fubar how Tre ended this, specially since the force we had we could have easily take Ro3 outpost also i think. props to RK and SMASH for helping out, tho we had a rough start and some fiendly fire accidents Junius /signed ToXiC CEO - Too Ducky ToXiC Co-Ceo - iiixiii Recruitment Officer - Cck iiixiii*
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.22 02:17:00 - [212] Originally by: Pepzo I'm ashamed of being swedish today. Because you don't have the balls to post with your main?
Nhoj Sllew Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.22 05:30:00 - [213] had some fun on friday with tre, CKK, W1N, and of course our homeboys SMASH. good fight to Ro3 and guard. really anticlimatic though..... now who we gonna shoot.............. (though tbh i didn't realize mk was on the F***ING EDGE OF THE UNIVERSE! God that was long trip home....)
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.22 14:05:00 - [214] Originally by: Nhoj Sllew (though tbh i didn't realize mk was on the F***ING EDGE OF THE UNIVERSE! God that was long trip home....) DUDE neither did i, not even until i went back home yesterday and i opened the map to take a peek at wtf i was. luckily christine scouted me back in apod of doom.
Juno II Gallente S-44 Prismatic Refraction	Posted - 2007.04.22 15:27:00 - [215] Originally by: KOTH Fluf Respect for all parties involved in this. Mistakes were made on both sides, and both sides had to make concessions to end this conflict. Thanks to Stamm, Nex, Tweekant and Drantis for getting this worked out, and looking at the "big picture". Respect to Smash and Roadkill for pulling out when the agreement was reached. This conflict is now over and all parties should just leave this thread alone now. Nothing can be said that already hasnt been said. Now let go back to shooting the real enemies, mkay? "Stamm, Nex, Tweekant and Drantis for getting this worked out" ?! and "Mistakes were made on both sides" ?! No TRE didn't do anything wrong. ONLY Rule did ALOT of things wrong. Its called ocupation. And is in FACT a war declaration. That is in my eyes enough reason for RZR to put Rule to red. but didn't How does that make a Tre Member feel, like RZR is our friend? Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Pepzo I'm ashamed of being swedish today. Because you don't have the balls to post with your main? if you had any you would have put Rule of Three like enemy's Well you see it is hes main. He just Left his old corp. Many ppl Inkluding Deya Nay is mains only that they are dissapointed and left. EVE-online.se - Swedish EVE community


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