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Mayalla Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.20 11:55:00 - [151] Hey, maybe we should hire some mercs, like they did? Anyway, the lag was awfull! I had like one picture change in 30 seconds. Totally unplayable....
MadMerlin Northern Shadowrunners Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.20 11:58:00 - [152] there was no Mercs hired Spontaneous defenestration are an old TRE member and CCK are friends of theyres.
luffeo	Posted - 2007.04.20 12:23:00 - [153] Hm so this is how some do to friends. I Realy hope Tre Kroner finish this of and take the Rule of Three station to. and that should be fair to, They ar e at war so Rule of Three know whats going on, not as they did sneek and pretend to be a friend. So go go Tre. Take Rule space to. If that space was my home i wood not like to have Rule of Three next door you can't trust them. This gose for all corps ho live in the north, think if some one attck a corp in that sector and you think you bak is safe you never know if Rule will stab you in that moment.......!
Minigin Ganja Labs Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.20 13:58:00 - [154] RULE is an alliance that has some serious pvpers, but they live in the most NAP'ed region of space. To exagerate their problems... there are literaly maybe neutral entities within 40 jumps of their home. i hope im not reading too much into this but i suspect they where making a move that would garantee some short term and needed pvp. They have attacked other blues in the past with little warning however i must admit they fight pretty fair and dont smack. Im wondering now though if they had anticipated the reaction from Geminate - where we are now seeing RK/SMASH(i think?) and CCK side with TRE. From previous experiance RK/SMASH are two of the most determained alliances i've had to fight. They really bring it. Did RULE slip up? can they now take TRE's station anyway? let alone defend their own? have they unleashed the menace that they supposidly feared to begin with? because unlike tre rk and smash arnt afraid to spam a system with deathstars, and they rarely back down from a fleet fight. i might add they have a knack for killing capitals... i really do hope that this can still be resolved peacefully, but in the event that it cant be. GL to both sides... and im sure you will have fun. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig i own every thread... you are just posting in them.
Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.20 14:24:00 - [155] Originally by: skobe 2 Dont see the ponit. If u where freinds, why did u not help TRE to put up more pos in the area and help them to secure the system. If u where freinds? a freind had Helped, before making a hostile act. and help means not talk with threats. Who need enemy then u have freinds like that!!! Help was offered.... they declined and told us they would take care of it.... 3 weeks passed... not only did they not take care of it, but they let it get worse. I was in KoS and saw what happened there. I will not let that happen in space that is part of my alliance and our allies defense. This didn't have to turn out this way. Tre Kroner could have done what needed to be done 3+ weeks ago. They could have accepted our help in the 1st place. They could have asked for help when 2 corps left (we knew only of one and only a few days before they left). You all seem to think we should have to babysit them. Well I'm sorry but 0.0 doesn't work that way. Originally by: Dawn Razor The initial agreement after your sudden operation was that we would cover at least 51%, and you could deploy more posses as you saw fit for security reasons. There was not an agreement made. You decided to hear that there was and refused to believe anything differently.... I have read the convo's (which match the screenies Nex took) and there was no "deal" made. We told you to make a good faith effort by filling the open moons and we would reopen talks pending us seeing that you had enough pos's (proof or stfu as people so love to say) to make 51% coverage of the moons. Maybe this was misunderstood because of language issues. But this does NOT mean that we were GUARANTEEING anything... rather it means that we would at that point be open for discussion. Another point to make here. Think about this all of you who think we did this for land grabbing sake: Why would we advise Tre Kroner of open moons AND tell them to fill said open moons if we simply wanted to steal the space? We could have easily filled the last 6 open moons and made things alot easier for ourselves. Originally by: Oppus Edea You could have handled this in a much better way, that would have been beneficial for both parties, and would have insured stability. Our alliance might be small, but noone with any character would take first a backstabbing and then rolling over without putting up a fight. It's not called backstabbing when you have been told it would happen. ______________________________________________ ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.20 14:43:00 - [156] There's nothing to be said really at this point. All RULE posting will now stop unless someone has a battle report, or the situation drastically changes. There's no point in this thread going over the same thing again and again. Let's keep the PvP in game. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.20 15:35:00 - [157] Originally by: Mayalla Hey, maybe we should hire some mercs, like they did? This is for pleasure, not profit.
Archon Theo Bleak Cabal Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.20 16:13:00 - [158] Quick update. The system is generally secure, we have a large bubble closing the pocket and we occasionally get a RULE kill. RULE are fueling their POS's and have 3 carriers in system, one of these carriers has come out of a POS forcefield to try and smartbomb us but has gone in again, buying time imo. I only have one thing to say to RULE, BRING IT! I can only speak from one point of view, my own.
Flick1471 Gallente An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.20 19:26:00 - [159] This is a complete mess, loool. Best thing to come out of it is combat practice... I am glad that tre kroner could bring it so well and with so many friends... it shows that they are still very capable... so anyone invading would be in for a good fight.. My own personal views make me wonder how things get this crAZY... but thats why i got feck all in this game and don't get tea and cookies in the diplomats rooms... GF tre kroner GF RULE If were gonna do it, lets do it smack free...
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.20 22:09:00 - [160] Let me preface this by saying this is not the official Oxide position, just my personal opinion - yada yada yada Simple solution here folks - Rule - Give Tre the towers they need to hold system security at an acceptable level. If they drop towers below the acceptable level again - and therefore place the security of every alliance in the area at risk - then smite them and get the rest of the area to help. Tre - Keep those towers fueled - and if you cant - then give up the station. Work out a plan to repay Rule for some portion of those towers. Also, get your "friends" out of the area before they shoot up any more blues and turn the entire region against you. Seriously folks - in the last 2 weeks alliances in the Kali regions who have managed to **** off the neighbors compound the problem by calling for help from alliances that are hostile to a majority of the Kali residents (Tri, Smash, and Roadkill). Honestly, I think its only a matter of time before someone tries to get BoB to help them. >rant off< ---- Rabb Darktide Fleet Admiral (CEO) / O X I D E High Council Independent Fleet [INDF] INDF Recruitment
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:12:00 - [161] Ding Ding, USN Arriving.... USN CVN72 Fleet Commander USN CVN73 Command Leader USN CVN74 Skirmish USN CVN75 Armore Warfare SSN 609 Sub Surface Covert
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:21:00 - [162] Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 20/04/2007 23:17:57 Originally by: Rabb Darktide >rant off< What about letting TRE run their own space and alliance? It's as if Ro3 decides what TRE can do and how they should act. Obviously security wasn't a big problem - there are more methods to control your space than having 51% towers within 3 weeks (if that is even true). It's because TRE doesn't attack blues they have good friends supporting them. Simple.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:41:00 - [163] Originally by: Rabb Darktide >rant off< from the sounds of it you all need some hostiles.
DARKWANDERER Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:44:00 - [164] Rule seem to have the "deer in the headlights" look
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:05:00 - [165] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin What about letting TRE run their own space and alliance? An weakly protected outpost poses signifigant risks to the security of every alliance in the area. The right of any alliance to do what they will in their space ends when what they are doing causes signifigant security risks to their neighbors. As much as I dislike the idea of using force on friendly alliances, when compared with the alternative of someone like Triumvirate getting their hands on that outpost (which they would then use as a platform to strike out against everyone in the area), it becomes the lesser of two evils. Part of being "blue" to someone is not putting them in danger because of pride. Again - not an official Oxide statment - just my own personal musings. I still hope that both sides can come to a mutually satisfactory solution soon. ---- Rabb Darktide Fleet Admiral (CEO) / O X I D E High Council Independent Fleet [INDF] INDF Recruitment
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:09:00 - [166] I think im sencing something toward the end of this thread what may it be.
God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:27:00 - [167] ROADKILL official response to those who saying ROADKILL are Merc: -ROADKILL did not get paid by Tre Kroner. -ROADKILL never help people for ISK. -We are in mk- cuz we having fun, and we dislike the war mongers idea in Drone region. Have fun ingame, and stay away from forums. P.S, RULE get more people, we need some fun GL for all involved. God's Army Interstellar eXodus Founders of ROADKILL Alliance. -- In Soviet Russia, the car drives you
Zubenelgenubi Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:33:00 - [168] Gods is supplying me with one Gods modified Condor. Fitted with tachyon T2. For my aid in MK- Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:38:00 - [169] Originally by: God's Army ROADKILL official response to those who saying ROADKILL are Merc: -ROADKILL did not get paid by Tre Kroner. -ROADKILL never help people for ISK. -We are in mk- cuz we having fun, and we dislike the war mongers idea in Drone region. Have fun ingame, and stay away from forums. P.S, RULE get more people, we need some fun GL for all involved. God's Army Interstellar eXodus Founders of ROADKILL Alliance. Gods Army for President...
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:50:00 - [170] Originally by: Rabb Darktide Originally by: Tobias Sjodin What about letting TRE run their own space and alliance? An weakly protected outpost poses signifigant risks to the security of every alliance in the area. The right of any alliance to do what they will in their space ends when what they are doing causes signifigant security risks to their neighbors. As much as I dislike the idea of using force on friendly alliances, when compared with the alternative of someone like Triumvirate getting their hands on that outpost (which they would then use as a platform to strike out against everyone in the area), it becomes the lesser of two evils. Part of being "blue" to someone is not putting them in danger because of pride. Again - not an official Oxide statment - just my own personal musings. I still hope that both sides can come to a mutually satisfactory solution soon. Funny, this philosophy led to 150+ hostile fleets running around drone regions. I thought that was what you didn't want?
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.21 01:54:00 - [171] Originally by: Graalum Funny, this philosophy led to 150+ hostile fleets running around drone regions. I thought that was what you didn't want? I guess we are just damned either way.. Had Rule not made the move that they did, it is not at all inconceivable that the station would be in Tri's hands right now. The point is, Rule has a strong case that Tre's leadership was negligent in securing the outpost and exposed the neighboring alliances to signifigant danger. Rule spent 3 weeks trying to settle the matter diplomatically. Whether you agree or disagree with Rule's position, portraying Tre as an innocent victim and Rule as some brute aggressor is intellectually dishonest. Again, the simple solution to all of this is for everyone to stop shooting, for the foreign forces to go home, and for Tre to secure that system (which may mean accepting some outside help if their corps are not able to do it fully). ---- Rabb Darktide Fleet Admiral (CEO) / O X I D E High Council Independent Fleet [INDF] INDF Recruitment
touchvill The Pikey Rebellion	Posted - 2007.04.21 02:31:00 - [172] Quote: I guess we are just damned either way.. Had Rule not made the move that they did, it is not at all inconceivable that the station would be in Tri's hands right now. What is your compulsion about Triumvirate? Every post of yours I read there is some sekrit conspiracy with Triumvirate trying to do something to harm you. You used Triumvirate as an excuse to attack Praesidium Libertatis. You seem to think Triumvirates sole goal is to **** in you cheerio's. Though I would wager that IF Triumvirate did want that outpost, placing more pos up would hardly be a turnoff for them. You keep using Triumvirate as an excuse to pick on your weakers friends. How about growing a sack and just saying "we want to kill you, now die" It's pathetic the lengths people go through to try an rationalise backstabbing to be honest.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.21 02:55:00 - [173] Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 21/04/2007 02:53:39 Originally by: touchvill excuse to pick on your weakers friends. [...] It's pathetic the lengths people go through to try an rationalise backstabbing to be honest. Actually, in the way they did it, I would think that the weak ones weren't TRE. It doesn't take strength to attack a friend, but it does take strength to support one. I think TRE's friends and TRE mutually have proved that. Your final sentence is a bullseye.
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.21 02:58:00 - [174] Originally by: touchvill You used Triumvirate as an excuse to attack Praesidium Libertatis. You seem to think Triumvirates sole goal is to ** in you cheerio's. Hello Mr. Praes alt man. Originally by:** touchvill Though I would wager that IF Triumvirate did want that outpost, placing more pos up would hardly be a turnoff for them. Actually, it would. Moving capitals from Venal into the new regions is not an easy task. If you can capture sov with POS spamming, you can take the station without dreads. Originally by: touchvill You keep using Triumvirate as an excuse to pick on your weakers friends. How about growing a sack and just saying "we want to kill you, now die" Actually, being that I, nor anyone in my allaince has fired a shot in this situation, I don't see how we are picking on or trying to kill Tre or Rule or anyone else involved in this little mess. If you will read what I wrote (to quote a certain radio host "Words mean things"), I indicated that the solution I, personally, think is best is a return to the status quo with improved system security - i.e. no one dead and no one being picked on... ---- Rabb Darktide Fleet Admiral (CEO) / O X I D E High Council Independent Fleet [INDF] INDF Recruitment
touchvill The Pikey Rebellion	Posted - 2007.04.21 02:59:00 - [175] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: touchvill excuse to pick on your weakers friends. [...] It's pathetic the lengths people go through to try an rationalise backstabbing to be honest. Actually, in the way they did it, I would think that the weak ones weren't TRE. And your final sentence is a bullseye. I didn't mean they were weak abillity wise. They were weak in the pos placement and the "friends" took advantage for the second time in a week,citing Triumvirate as an excuse to backstab with absoloutely no proof.(Typing at 3:30 doesn't do me any wonders)
touchvill The Pikey Rebellion	Posted - 2007.04.21 03:12:00 - [176] Quote: Hello Mr. Praes alt man. I am very much not an alt thank you very much (Newly aquired char) which you will see in a few days when I join Triumvirate. Quote: Actually, it would. Moving capitals from Venal into the new regions is not an easy task. If you can capture sov with POS spamming, you can take the station without dreads. So when they place their pos they just walk away for a few days and let you take their pos down? They would need their capitals there anyway to destroy any capitals trying to take down their pos. Also IF Trium wanted the station (which is purely speculation on your behalf) I said placing pos would not turn them off. If they wanted it, they would get it however they needed to. Quote: Actually, being that I, nor anyone in my allaince has fired a shot in this situation, I don't see how we are picking on or trying to kill Tre or Rule or anyone else involved in this little mess. If you will read what I wrote (to quote a certain radio host "Words mean things"), I indicated that the solution I, personally, think is best is a return to the status quo with improved system security - i.e. no one dead and no one being picked on... Ok you are not attacking friends this time. You instead use your tried and tested "Triumvirate's fault" card to rationalise one of your friends backstabbing your other friends. It's still the same, hide the truth behind lies and keep using Triumvirate as an excuse. I am sure they will enjoy being the reason friends backstab eachother, all this while they just get along with their own business securing Venal further.
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.21 04:06:00 - [177] Originally by: touchvill Ok you are not attacking friends this time. You instead use your tried and tested "Triumvirate's fault" card to rationalise one of your friends backstabbing your other friends. It's still the same, hide the truth behind lies and keep using Triumvirate as an excuse. I am sure they will enjoy being the reason friends backstab eachother, all this while they just get along with their own business securing Venal further. There was confirmed intel that, in the recent past that some in Tri were making plans to take at least one, and maybe two outposts in the new regions. That, my friend, is why the residents there are concerned about the security of the outposts in the area. Maybe Tri still has plans in the new areas, and maybe they don't, however, prudence demands that assume that a real possibility exists that they, or some other hostile, would try and take advantage of the situation. Remember, Rule spent 3 weeks trying to get this situation resolved with Tre, only to see the situation worsen. The posibility of having a hostile force take a station 6 jumps from your own is not something that most alliances would ignore. Could it have been handed better? Perhaps. I can't say because I wasn't involved. Can it be resolved peacefully? I am quite certain it can if both sides will sit down in good faith and work it out. ---- Rabb Darktide Fleet Admiral (CEO) / O X I D E High Council Independent Fleet [INDF] INDF Recruitment
Bobbechk Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.21 04:11:00 - [178] THIS is NOT a TRE official post, this only reflects my wievs! -It all is very clear now It wasnt really RULE who "backstabbed" Tre kroner. Today TRE kroner recived an ultimatum from RZR, "sell" the MK-Y staion to RULE or "the north" set us to -10 and wage war against us. This after sucsessfully putting most of the Rule pos'es into reinforced (and during the night i bet the rest would had been put into reinforced) This after repetedly fighting off the RULE agressors (now including GUARD) from the system We get the big gun pointed to our head and was being told to "sell" the station to Rule by RZR diplomats -Its all so increadably clear now, RZR didnt want us owning a station in the north, so they set up this scenario where RULE "the warmongers" takes our system. I pity all our poor Diplomats who spent hours, DAYS! talking to RZR and Rule about a peaceful way to settle this when they had made up their minds before day one. To Rule, havent had so mutch fun in a long while, thx for the fights, i guess this means you win eh? RZR you sure did make another enemy today! tic toc Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24,000 bytes.Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Julius Evola Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.04.21 04:59:00 - [179] This is also my personal views and do not necessarily represent TRE or GgRG: It was great fun fighting alongside and under the command of you guys from Roadkill and SMASH and whoever else was there. I haven't done much PVP yet as I'm still fairly new to EVE, but it was impressing and inspiring, and outside all the politics and stuff I would like to thank them for the experience. The same thanks goes to our opponents - politics aside.
tardblog Caldari Step It Up	Posted - 2007.04.21 06:27:00 - [180] Edited by: tardblog on 21/04/2007 07:00:21 Originally by: Rabb Darktide Originally by: Graalum The point is, Rule has a strong case that Tre's leadership was negligent in securing the outpost and exposed the neighboring alliances to signifigant danger. Rule spent 3 weeks trying to settle the matter diplomatically. Whether you agree or disagree with Rule's position, portraying Tre as an innocent victim and Rule as some brute aggressor is intellectually dishonest. And how do you know they spent 3 weeks???? They say so, and you think pepol can trust them on that point. When they sneak in to blue corps space and put up Towers in sted of say if you don't have so and so many up in x many days we will and take your station. The point is Rule was hoping they cloud get a easy station!!!!And when it was not so easy they run to Razor and cry well no need to say more

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