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Roue Alcoholics R' Us Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:06:00 - [1] It has been a pleasure. 4/22/2004 - 4/18/2007. Probably a hundred noobs introduced to this game, tutored and assisted in my time. Not a bad achievement I'd say. The final enjoyment for me in EVE is being removed. (the only remaining joy of pvp, privateers) Summoning the courage for me to shelf the game. who knows, maybe 2008 will bring faction warfare and something fun to do again and I might return. Here's to all my initial friends in "C22" who got me into this game a a year or two late because I'd believed some idiot who said it sucked. If only I'd been here sooner i would have enjoyed it longer. Here's to CoD back up in the north and the precipitation of that awesome war, my first taste of 0.0, Sturmgrenadier and what it meant then to fight for a belief, a home and not just isk, shame you guys are south on the other side of the fight now, goons and learning the power of a genuine fofofo. Here's to all the noobs I've taught, corps I've made or managed and by god all the veldspar. I made a statement with the release of two accounts against how cheating and the fragility of accomplishment in 0.0 politics could be allowed to stay as it did. Now I'll make a statement against the removal of the freedom of this glorious sandbox. The decision to provide walls where once it was told there would remain none. If the future of pvp is to be free of personal responsibility, of the requisite of intelligence before you undock, then it can be free of me. no you can't have my stuff. Ciao, Mercade(sold), Roue and Vegeir. This is my opinion not that of privateer corp, alliance, its member corps, affiliates, minions, pet animals, ex girlfriends, former roommates, 3rd grade gym teachers, late relatives, ontime relatives,
VanNostrum	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:07:00 - [2] Edited by: VanNostrum on 18/04/2007 17:03:32 can I have your stuff? edit: dang, already said you won't
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:07:00 - [3] sorry they nerfed you, i hope they rethink what they have done. Fly safe. Recruiting Terrorists
Kyoi Shuttles Dont Tank Well	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Roue It has been a pleasure. 4/22/2004 - 4/18/2007. Probably a hundred noobs introduced to this game, tutored and assisted in my time. Not a bad achievement I'd say. The final enjoyment for me in EVE is being removed. (the only remaining joy of pvp, privateers) Summoning the courage for me to shelf the game. who knows, maybe 2008 will bring faction warfare and something fun to do again and I might return. Here's to all my initial friends in "C22" who got me into this game a a year or two late because I'd believed some idiot who said it sucked. If only I'd been here sooner i would have enjoyed it longer. Here's to CoD back up in the north and the precipitation of that awesome war, my first taste of 0.0, Sturmgrenadier and what it meant then to fight for a belief, a home and not just isk, shame you guys are south on the other side of the fight now, goons and learning the power of a genuine fofofo. Here's to all the noobs I've taught, corps I've made or managed and by god all the veldspar. I made a statement with the release of two accounts against how cheating and the fragility of accomplishment in 0.0 politics could be allowed to stay as it did. Now I'll make a statement against the removal of the freedom of this glorious sandbox. The decision to provide walls where once it was told there would remain none. If the future of pvp is to be free of personal responsibility, of the requisite of intelligence before you undock, then it can be free of me. no you can't have my stuff. Ciao, Mercade(sold), Roue and Vegeir. k
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:09:00 - [5] Need a tissue? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Timmeh ([email protected])
Roue Alcoholics R' Us Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Janu Hull Need a tissue? Nawww. I've spent years on these forums expressing my opinion, assisting people and trying to help add my two cents into the future of this game. It seems the only tool that remains in making a statement is financial, so I have removed my 540 dollars a year to show my conviction. This is my opinion not that of privateer corp, alliance, its member corps, affiliates, minions, pet animals, ex girlfriends, former roommates, 3rd grade gym teachers, late relatives, ontime relatives,
Microsoft Sam StarTech Corporation	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:16:00 - [7] bout time you guys goto 0.0 now don't you think?
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:21:00 - [8] why does everyone think that people should only pvp in 0.0.... its 100% lame nothing but POS spaming and lag fests. there are lots of people who want to pvp in empire so they dont need to deal with all that crap. Recruiting Terrorists
Kahrek Laume Gallente Mirage Industries	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:25:00 - [9] Take care, have fun, may i suggest you check out Darkfall, sadly a ways off from being released. But if you are looking for something with the Promise(tm) of good PVP (I know i am) then it may nab your interest :)
Miss Mental	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:25:00 - [10] if you enjoy sitting at a station blowing up targets that cant fight back then i feel sorry for you. Ahwell goodluck in any other online game, geuss you will be spawncamping in some FPS game or any other form of lame play
ProjectSeven z3r0 Gravity FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:26:00 - [11] /me plays the violin slowly Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) /signature oh god damnit.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Roue Originally by: Janu Hull Need a tissue? Nawww. I've spent years on these forums expressing my opinion, assisting people and trying to help add my two cents into the future of this game. It seems the only tool that remains in making a statement is financial, so I have removed my 540 dollars a year to show my conviction. You are aware that PvP in Empire can proceed as it has before? Really, its the number of targets at any one time that's changing. You'd think they'd dropped a mechanics lock to keep PvP out of Empire the way they do with Capital ships the way some of you are going on. Is it really that painful to fight three corps at a time, instead of 20? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Timmeh ([email protected])
Captain BlueBeard	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:28:00 - [13] Sorry to see you go. Maybe take some time of and return later. At least you can leave knowing that you made many others leave as well. One good loss can do it for many people...
lin ta	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:31:00 - [14] can't say i give a toss about pv and the 'nerf', but i think other things needed far more attention ... like lag. i've canceled today as well. you wouldn't want my stuff.
Haffrage Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:32:00 - [15] You could've saved me a lot of reading by just saying "wah" ----- Tech 2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers
Varelse Wiggin Minmatar World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Roue It has been a pleasure. 4/22/2004 - 4/18/2007. Probably a hundred noobs introduced to this game, tutored and assisted in my time. Not a bad achievement I'd say. The final enjoyment for me in EVE is being removed. (the only remaining joy of pvp, privateers) Summoning the courage for me to shelf the game. who knows, maybe 2008 will bring faction warfare and something fun to do again and I might return. Here's to all my initial friends in "C22" who got me into this game a a year or two late because I'd believed some idiot who said it sucked. If only I'd been here sooner i would have enjoyed it longer. Here's to CoD back up in the north and the precipitation of that awesome war, my first taste of 0.0, Sturmgrenadier and what it meant then to fight for a belief, a home and not just isk, shame you guys are south on the other side of the fight now, goons and learning the power of a genuine fofofo. Here's to all the noobs I've taught, corps I've made or managed and by god all the veldspar. I made a statement with the release of two accounts against how cheating and the fragility of accomplishment in 0.0 politics could be allowed to stay as it did. Now I'll make a statement against the removal of the freedom of this glorious sandbox. The decision to provide walls where once it was told there would remain none. If the future of pvp is to be free of personal responsibility, of the requisite of intelligence before you undock, then it can be free of me. no you can't have my stuff. Ciao, Mercade(sold), Roue and Vegeir. Forgive me a moment... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, OH SWEET JESUS Cry more newb, adapt or die newb, lololololololol go play wow newb rofl tbh LMAO CANI HAVE UR STUF?
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:33:00 - [17] Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 18/04/2007 17:29:41 bye! leaving over the fact that you can't war dec half of Eve is just....pointless. if you want pew pew everyone go to 0.0 There are so many roving gangs that go through 0.0 and low sec I cringe everytime I see people whine about blobs.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:35:00 - [18] Edited by: Splagada on 18/04/2007 17:31:24 can i have your main? trying something original :p SAD to see a fellow player go. privateers were fun, but please consider it was on the verge of exploiting actually i think it's one of the fun things BoB has that we dont have us normal alliances. pure pvp everytime edit : dont give up tho 10 wars will be 500M/war/week. what you pay now for 100. but those 10 alliances are 70% of actives ------ Relaxed corp recruiting
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:41:00 - [19] Originally by: Janu Hull Is it really that painful to fight three corps at a time, instead of 20? Its about availability of targets. Even with 70+ wars, most empire systems had maybe 2 war targets on average with the exception of the trade hubs. With 3 wars it is going to be very hard to find targets in empire unless Privateers switches to solely declaring on 100% empire based corps/alliances which typically don't want to anything to do with a warp disruptor. The other options for PVP have been found incredibly lacking by most of the people in Privateers. We've all done 0.0/sniper fest/pos spam wars... personally I can't stand it. Low sec pirating is nearly dead sine low sec is pretty much empty. What Privateers really was in my mind was a way to log on and find a fight with minimal hassle. With a drastic reduction in the number of wars that can reasonably be declared, that is being heavily nerfed. It is really akin to the arguements about removing instas from the game... travel time is generally though to take to long. Likewise, finding a decent fight in EVE takes too long. Privateers was an attempt at a solution to that.
Fswd	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:42:00 - [20] Snip for trolling, by Timmeh --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?

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Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:46:00 - [22] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Janu Hull Is it really that painful to fight three corps at a time, instead of 20? Its about availability of targets. Even with 70+ wars, most empire systems had maybe 2 war targets on average with the exception of the trade hubs. With 3 wars it is going to be very hard to find targets in empire unless Privateers switches to solely declaring on 100% empire based corps/alliances which typically don't want to anything to do with a warp disruptor. The other options for PVP have been found incredibly lacking by most of the people in Privateers. We've all done 0.0/sniper fest/pos spam wars... personally I can't stand it. Low sec pirating is nearly dead sine low sec is pretty much empty. What Privateers really was in my mind was a way to log on and find a fight with minimal hassle. With a drastic reduction in the number of wars that can reasonably be declared, that is being heavily nerfed. It is really akin to the arguements about removing instas from the game... travel time is generally though to take to long. Likewise, finding a decent fight in EVE takes too long. Privateers was an attempt at a solution to that. If you were after decent fights, why were you wardeccing carebear corps? You're in an Alliance, multiple corporations, why one monster group of sharks bottomfeeding on people with no interest in giving you a fight, and fight amongst yourselves? Its all metagaming any way you slice it, but your arguement is failing to hold water when you want "decent" action, but look for it by hunting people incapable of giving it to you alongside people who can. Very contradictory mission statement. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Timmeh ([email protected])
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Azerrad InExile What Privateers really was in my mind was a way to log on and find a fight with minimal hassle. With a drastic reduction in the number of wars that can reasonably be declared, that is being heavily nerfed. It is really akin to the arguements about removing instas from the game... travel time is generally though to take to long. Likewise, finding a decent fight in EVE takes too long. Privateers was an attempt at a solution to that. What's stopping you from fighting each other? no need to hunt for targets. This is an excuse. If you want PvP make 2 corps and duke it out. Make 3 or 4 and you get even more pew-pew. this talk about anti-pos wars... if you're looking for a fight and not teritory you'll never touch a POS. Roving gangs are effective and common, fun, and effective in 0.0 You want a fight with no hassle, then fight each other... other corps do it when bored all the time. Privateers took a good idea too far. When you all started dec'cing corps left and right for "contracts" at no costs but the war fee, what was once an annoyance (the cheap cost of war) was brought to the forefront to CCP's attention. The war cost was a fix that was on the backburner until it became a huge problem... you all brought this about much sooner than if you had shown restraint.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Janu Hull If you were after decent fights, why were you wardeccing carebear corps? You're in an Alliance, multiple corporations, why one monster group of sharks bottomfeeding on people with no interest in giving you a fight, and fight amongst yourselves? Its all metagaming any way you slice it, but your arguement is failing to hold water when you want "decent" action, but look for it by hunting people incapable of giving it to you alongside people who can. Very contradictory mission statement. I suggest you take a look at who Privateers has war decced. I can assure you that it is not just carebear corps. The vast majority of Privateers targets are primarily PVP alliances. Granted there are some smaller targets which are declared, but those are typically being paid for by an outside party (Privateers also functions as a Merc alliance in a way, they will declare war on anyone you wish if you pay the war dec fee for them).
WredStorm Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:02:00 - [25] Edited by: WredStorm on 18/04/2007 17:59:27 I'm sorry you're leaving, but I'm not sorry for the change that is causing you to leave. Any mechanism which allows bullies to negatively impact the enjoyment of thousands of other players must, IMO, be remedied. The upcoming change will fix that, so I'm all for it. As for the person above saying that 10 wars will only cost 500M ISK per week, I suggest you re-read the dev blog. The cost would be 500M per war per week (assuming 10 war), which equates to 5B ISK per week. If they up it to 11 wars then the cost becomes 550M per war per week = 5.5B ISK/week. If you were paying ~500M ISK per week before, under the new system you'd be able to sustain 3 wars at that same rate (with 3 wars it would cost you 150M ISK per war per week = 450M ISK/week). Empire Wars are supposed to be a serious thing, where you have specific goals you want to achieve against your targets and where those goals are worth the cost of paying Concord to look the other way. Its already been demonstrated by Privateers that the current cost of 50M ISK per war per week was a drop in the bucket compared to what they could loot from their targets. It allowed them to take a "shotgun" approach to warfare, which is obviously not what the devs want nor does it reflect the approach any country in modern history has ever taken (i.e.: it isn't realistic by any stretch of the imagination). Wred ----- Think out of the box, consider passive shield tanking your Myrmidon, you'll be pleasantly surprised!
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Azerrad InExile (Privateers also functions as a Merc alliance in a way, they will declare war on anyone you wish if you pay the war dec fee for them). That's one of the problems. a "merc corp" that will fight with the strength of an alliance against anyone (including 10-man corps) for a very small fee. It's a giant I-win button for corps that would otherwise have to either pay a merc corp a sizable fee or actually do the fighting themselves.
Exlegion New Light KnightRaven Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:10:00 - [27] Edited by: Exlegion on 18/04/2007 18:11:12 Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Janu Hull If you were after decent fights, why were you wardeccing carebear corps? You're in an Alliance, multiple corporations, why one monster group of sharks bottomfeeding on people with no interest in giving you a fight, and fight amongst yourselves? Its all metagaming any way you slice it, but your arguement is failing to hold water when you want "decent" action, but look for it by hunting people incapable of giving it to you alongside people who can. Very contradictory mission statement. I suggest you take a look at who Privateers has war decced. I can assure you that it is not just carebear corps. The vast majority of Privateers targets are primarily PVP alliances. Granted there are some smaller targets which are declared, but those are typically being paid for by an outside party (Privateers also functions as a Merc alliance in a way, they will declare war on anyone you wish if you pay the war dec fee for them). And it was this same indiscriminate and abuse of war declarations that brought about the change to your play style. Over 100 wars in high security space? For what purpose? These weren't wars, these were shooting licenses you were buying. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Bartholomeus Crane	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:13:00 - [28] Bye! Don't let the door hit you on your way out ... --
Roue Alcoholics R' Us Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:35:00 - [29] Some of the posts in here just amaze me. It's obvious enough of you detest privateer alliance. Things are getting changed, don't you fret now. Eve will become just real life, void of personal responsibility. I see the approach of EVE liability lawyers soon on the horizon. Yes we war dec'd tens of thousands of people. It amazes me that our 700 vs I think the estimate was 40,000 puts us as the bad guys. How often I sat in systems with a dozen enemies, all alone, and killed them 1 by 1 as they undocked. It doesn't matter. I've spent 3 years convincing dozens and dozens of people to join EVE, helped them find their niche, been a part of things grand and small. In the end it's changed, it's becoming another animal for another type of customer. This has happened before and it will happen again in this game and many others. Shame I get no respect at all for what I've done. Bring a hundred people to a game to enrich it and support it. And be condemned for blowing up pixels that someone else was too lazy and careless to protect. Well at least I know I follow and not precede much of the community I knew in leaving. This is my opinion not that of privateer corp, alliance, its member corps, affiliates, minions, pet animals, ex girlfriends, former roommates, 3rd grade gym teachers, late relatives, ontime relatives,
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Roue Some of the posts in here just amaze me. It's obvious enough of you detest privateer alliance. Things are getting changed, don't you fret now. Eve will become just real life, void of personal responsibility. I see the approach of EVE liability lawyers soon on the horizon. Yes we war dec'd tens of thousands of people. It amazes me that our 700 vs I think the estimate was 40,000 puts us as the bad guys. How often I sat in systems with a dozen enemies, all alone, and killed them 1 by 1 as they undocked. It doesn't matter. I've spent 3 years convincing dozens and dozens of people to join EVE, helped them find their niche, been a part of things grand and small. In the end it's changed, it's becoming another animal for another type of customer. This has happened before and it will happen again in this game and many others. Shame I get no respect at all for what I've done. Bring a hundred people to a game to enrich it and support it. And be condemned for blowing up pixels that someone else was too lazy and careless to protect. Well at least I know I follow and not precede much of the community I knew in leaving. I have a new game for you. Fill a big bucket full of water in your backyard. Go to the pet store and purchase 10 gold fish. Put the fish in a bucket. Next put a chair next to the bucket and have a seat. There you go we have recreated your eve experience! next. also watch out for that door as you exit.

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