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Captain BlueBeard
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Posted - 2007.04.18 22:54:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Roue
...be condemned for blowing up pixels that someone else was too lazy and careless to protect.
Pixels? You attempt to minimize the havoc you have wrought by labeling peoples hard earned 'digital possessions' as 'pixels'. Alas, most feel a little stronger about their 'pixles' then you did.
Do you ever ask yourself why so many people detest the PA? Ask yourself that... come up with 100 reasons... and then pat yourself on the back because all 100 reason are correct.
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Mortol Strike
Giants in the Playground
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.18 23:12:00 -
[62]
Some people really do think all we do is camp Jita or wardec noob corps. We do both of these yes the word "pirate" was supposed to mean something in EVE. But we also dec'd the biggest alliance's but none never want to mention that.
I guess people really dont know whats going on, and those are the people that whine all day and night and get those whines into the game.
But to those who "think" we cant fight, please come to my system Ignoitton and I will gladly remove you from you ship.
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Angellyne
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Posted - 2007.04.18 23:21:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Captain BlueBeard
Originally by: Roue
...be condemned for blowing up pixels that someone else was too lazy and careless to protect.
Pixels? You attempt to minimize the havoc you have wrought by labeling peoples hard earned 'digital possessions' as 'pixels'. Alas, most feel a little stronger about their 'pixles' then you did.
Plus, don't forget, the OP is only quitting the game because it will cost more pixels for Privateers to continue blowing up pixels as easily as they're used to. Some pixels are worth more than others, you see. 
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Dimitrios Ypsilanti
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Posted - 2007.04.18 23:27:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Mortol Strike
...those who "think" we cant fight, please come to my system Ignoitton and I will gladly remove you from you ship.
There. See how easy that was?
Now you can have all the PvP you can handle.
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Acinonyx Jubatus
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.18 23:28:00 -
[65]
I'm nto done reading all of this topic, bout half way done... Anyways, felt I'd say this because it's on my mind...
I like how you mention the bit where you'd usually only find 1-2 targets usually.
The reason I can't help but think about this is...
How long has IAC been at war with privateers? I think start of jan, that's a nice 3.5 or so months of constant empire war. Now think about it, it was nice for you at first. However, you let the wars go on too long for durations, you didn't cycle through them. Basically over time people in all the alliances that DO stay in their alliance will go "**** empire" and thus resulting in said clustering in 0.0.
You pretty much smothered everyone into either running around in empire to get shot or staying in their area of 0.0/space... Or not playing/undocking period.
*goes to resume reading topic*
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Gamesguy
Amarr
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.04.18 23:45:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Vasiliyan
and the zero risk zone (highsec), and people can choose where they want to be. Turning highsec into a PvP zone will just empty it.
Except thats not true. High sec is relatively risk free, but not completely so, and its not intended for high sec to be completely risk free.
There is a reason in .5 concord respond slower than in 1.0. You can still suicide gank people even in 1.0, and then there is the wardec system.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.18 23:49:00 -
[67]
youre in more danger from the lag than u are the war dec
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.19 00:18:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Roue
It has been a pleasure. 4/22/2004 - 4/18/2007. Probably a hundred noobs introduced to this game, tutored and assisted in my time. Not a bad achievement I'd say.
The final enjoyment for me in EVE is being removed. (the only remaining joy of pvp, privateers) Summoning the courage for me to shelf the game. who knows, maybe 2008 will bring faction warfare and something fun to do again and I might return.
Here's to all my initial friends in "C22" who got me into this game a a year or two late because I'd believed some idiot who said it sucked. If only I'd been here sooner i would have enjoyed it longer.
Here's to CoD back up in the north and the precipitation of that awesome war, my first taste of 0.0, Sturmgrenadier and what it meant then to fight for a belief, a home and not just isk, shame you guys are south on the other side of the fight now, goons and learning the power of a genuine fofofo. Here's to all the noobs I've taught, corps I've made or managed and by god all the veldspar.
I made a statement with the release of two accounts against how cheating and the fragility of accomplishment in 0.0 politics could be allowed to stay as it did. Now I'll make a statement against the removal of the freedom of this glorious sandbox. The decision to provide walls where once it was told there would remain none. If the future of pvp is to be free of personal responsibility, of the requisite of intelligence before you undock, then it can be free of me.
no you can't have my stuff.
Ciao,
Mercade(sold), Roue and Vegeir.
qutting something you love to do because of a very exaggerated emotional response to something less significant than it first appears is really a pity. Hope you remember your password when you realize WoW sux (you love MMorpgs bein ehre for so many years so you are bound to play SOMETHING)
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.19 00:21:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Vasiliyan
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: Roue
How often I sat in systems with a dozen enemies, all alone, and killed them 1 by 1 as they undocked.
Shame I get no respect at all for what I've done.
Question and answer in same post.. very efficient
Illyria is right.
The thing is, there is really no such thing as nonconsensual PvP in a computer game. You cannot make people fight; if they don't want to, they will go to NPC corps, stay docked, log off, or cancel their accounts.
So in Eve we have the consensual PvP zone (0.0), the PvP-with-traveller/defender-advantage zone (lowsec), and the zero risk zone (highsec), and people can choose where they want to be. Turning highsec into a PvP zone will just empty it.
QUOTING EPIC POST
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M3ta
Amarr
Giants in the Playground
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.19 00:44:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Acinonyx Jubatus
I'm nto done reading all of this topic, bout half way done... Anyways, felt I'd say this because it's on my mind...
I like how you mention the bit where you'd usually only find 1-2 targets usually.
The reason I can't help but think about this is...
How long has IAC been at war with privateers? I think start of jan, that's a nice 3.5 or so months of constant empire war. Now think about it, it was nice for you at first. However, you let the wars go on too long for durations, you didn't cycle through them. Basically over time people in all the alliances that DO stay in their alliance will go "**** empire" and thus resulting in said clustering in 0.0.
You pretty much smothered everyone into either running around in empire to get shot or staying in their area of 0.0/space... Or not playing/undocking period.
*goes to resume reading topic*
Privateers' wardecs are sponsored. They go on for as long as the sponsor pays it.
You've just shown everybody you don't have a clue about what you're talking about.
Thank you. Move along...
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Novemb3r
The Splinter Syndicate
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.19 01:03:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Roue
Yes we war dec'd tens of thousands of people. It amazes me that our 700 vs I think the estimate was 40,000 puts us as the bad guys. How often I sat in systems with a dozen enemies, all alone, and killed them 1 by 1 as they undocked.
Wow you're a hardened PvPer, killing people as they undock. I bet it takes m4d sk!llz to do that.
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St Dragon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.19 01:31:00 -
[72]
0.0 PvP = Sucks a lot.
Empire PvP = Lag free blob less bliss.
I hate blob wars and the algg that comes witht hem.
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"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.19 01:45:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Ryas Nia
why does everyone think that people should only pvp in 0.0.... its 100% lame nothing but POS spaming and lag fests.
Originally by: St Dragon
0.0 PvP = Sucks a lot.
Realy get a freaking clue.
Fly whit someone worthy and don't be a lazy or 100% doking bastards .
0.0 rocks 100% And most of EVE will agree to that . And btw haing Fleet Ops whit sound and turet efects is sooo lag free 
But having bilions in your wallt is soo bad 
Originally by: Verone
The day I go Anti-Pirate is the day satan shall be ice skating to work.
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.19 01:54:00 -
[74]
Seek to be the equalizers, with every merc known to man getting into the MC fold take them on for sport.
Or was it just all about the cheap gank?
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.19 02:45:00 -
[75]
Waitaminute...
Lag in 0.0 is hell, so you come and park a lot of your lazy asses in the laggiest system in high sec to PvP and this is an improvement?
You're either lying through your teeth or are severely retarded.
This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless... |
Mortuus
Minmatar
Oblivion's Gate
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.19 02:45:00 -
[76]
Yea, it was all about those cheap ganks where I fought outnumbered and outgunned and won. It was about all those cheap ganks in 0.0 too where the same thing happened.
I'm upset because its one more artificial limitation CCP is implementing. People that do not want to PvP can avoid all but suicide gankers by joining the noob NPC corps. Its simple, by joining a player corp or alliance you accept PvP into your life.
Privateers have done something interesting and special, something none of these little no name 0.0 alliances have achieved. Fear and loathing on an epic scale. I'll see 10 people that are war targets hiding in a station because there are 2 of us local. They could organize and kill us or drive us off, but they are to afraid. There are Privateers who camp Jita and other undock points, the majority don't. We have interceptors roaming the space lanes, and when they spot something its announced and people come if they are close enough.
Stop blaming us because you are too weak, or too stupid to fight back or avoid getting killed. I'm disappointed in that MDYN member, I thought they knew what the game was about. Some of them do I guess.
In the end its about the impact you leave behind when you start something, for good or bad. This was the most fun I've had in EvE in years, too bad it has to change. Watch out for the newer, meaner, sleaker and griefier Privateers We'll get it figured out and get back to making those worthless empire hugging alliance members cry. You know, they ones that fill out the numbers of any 0.0 alliance on the alliance rankings, but are completely worthless people for all intents and purposes.
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.19 03:14:00 -
[77]
Blow it out your ass. You're only fooling yourself here. You're in it for cheap ganks. Go do some real PVP.
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.04.19 04:42:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Mortuus
self serving blather
That's it, I've kept mostly quiet on the Privateer topic but this has got to be the biggest amount of drivel and attempted spin I've heard on it for ages.
Yes, there is 2 of you in local and 10 war targets. So what? It's quite likely in empire that these 10 war targets are from 10 different corps and 10 different alliances. These corps and alliances may well be at war with each other as well.
They don't automatically become green to each other just because there is a common enemy suddenly appearing in local. The amount of effort and time it would take for one of your war targets to identify other potential allies in the system so they can gang up and fight you is not worth it.
Personally, if there was no corp/alliance members in local when more than a couple of Privateers showed up I used to just leave. Easy enough to do in empire.
Your argument is a complete fallacy.
I would also like to point out that quite a few of our corp members have a lot of fun in roaming gangs in empire until all the Privateers in the area run and hide. The killboard statistics are quite interesting.
Cheers
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.04.19 05:25:00 -
[79]
I just love the 'We can't wardec anybody now' routine. Yes you can, you go through the usual corp menu's and declare war. The only difference now is it's more beneficial for you to end one war before you start another.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.19 09:31:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
I just love the 'We can't wardec anybody now' routine. Yes you can, you go through the usual corp menu's and declare war. The only difference now is it's more beneficial for you to end one war before you start another.
It is almost too hard to figured out if they are stupid, lazy, or both.
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ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.19 09:36:00 -
[81]
I remember when I did the exact same thing, didn't post about it tho but I did quit and vow not to return after months of shooting veld. But 6 months later returned to the world of PvP.
But for you it seems you done everything there is to do. Im sure you will miss it and return, its the people that keep me in the game, that and pvp
Hope you come to your sences and realise what you miss.
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.04.19 10:03:00 -
[82]
I"m sorry that you feel you need to quit. The change though has been long overdue. The costs have long been far to low.
I think CCP was trying a compromise here. They could have addressed the situation a couple of ways. They could increase the costs or they could have just limited the number of wars an alliance was allowed (as corporations are limited). The fact is both choices would have been met with some folks leaving.
I made some suggestions in COAD as to how Privateers could reorganize and maintain a level of play somewhat next to the level you are accustomed.
5 alliances could pay for 3 wars each for 2.25 billion
1 alliance could pay for 7 wars for 2.45 billion per week. To run 15 wars would cost 11.25 billion isk per week (the same as splitting into 5 alliances and declaring 3 each)
To maintain 85 wars would cost 361.250 billion per week.
What you'd have to do is choose wars where you felt you would see enough targets. If your warring RED for instance and never see a RED ship, then your wasting money. (Your probably wasting money if you aren't seeing and killing a dozen or more of their ships a week in the new system)
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Zantazar
Caldari
The Syndicate Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.19 10:55:00 -
[83]
I am sorry to see that you are leaving Eve. However, not only do I feel that the latest change (or nerf as you may call it), is not enough, it does not even address the main problem behind the concept of the PA.
I believe that the war dec system was too cheap, but the ability of players to dip in and out of PA was pathetic. At least with a war dec you can see who your enemies are. The way things are, anyone can pop in for a bit of PvP, and back out for a bit of mining or missioning, then pop back in for more PvP, whenever they feel like it. All be it subject to a small time interval between these events.
This is what I would like to see;
Any corporation leaving an alliance at war, should remain at war with that said alliances enemies for one month. If the war ends prior to that month end then obviously that war would be negated with that leaving corporation.
Any player leaving a corporation which is at war needs to give one month's notice through an Eve controlled system, similar to turning in roles and privileges. If all of the corporation's wars end within that month then that player can leave immediately.
My reasoning behind the above is this. Any player(s) that wish to be involved with a war should treat it as such. A WAR is not a method of pew pew when they feel like it. There is a game designed for that, it is called World of Warcraft. Join on a PvE server, and when you feel like it, pop in to a battleground for some PvP. I believe that Eve is a far more intense, edge of seat, and thought provoking game than WoW for example. Let us get rid of ridiculing the act of war in the way it has been, in empire especially. War should start, have a pre-determined aim and objective, and an end scenario. War should not be entering a carnival tent (read join alliance), shooting at targets (read flashing reddies), and once you are bored, leaving the tent (read leave alliance).
Flame on boys and girls
This is my own opinion and not .... etc etc
I would sell my soul, my body, and my entire family for a Navy Raven. (Just kidding .... my soul is not for sale)
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Ashaz
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Posted - 2007.04.19 11:13:00 -
[84]
what was that statement again? The one that all privateers love to use so much? "adapt or go away"?
ah. i see you chose option two.
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.19 14:07:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Mortuus
Privateers have done something interesting and special, something none of these little no name 0.0 alliances have achieved. Fear and loathing on an epic scale.
ORLY ? You know that most real alliancecs regard you guys as a joke ? They're a saying "if you're bored go HUNT privateers" .
Yep fear on a epic scale .
Originally by: Mortuus
I'll see 10 people that are war targets hiding in a station because there are 2 of us local. They could organize and kill us or drive us off, but they are to afraid.
Actualy we're just ignoring you. And those that are 2 weak to fight just use empire alts .
Yep Terror in the System . BTW from where did the name of "dockateers" came 
Originally by: Verone
The day I go Anti-Pirate is the day satan shall be ice skating to work.
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Joiske
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Posted - 2007.04.19 14:35:00 -
[86]
ahem... useing the usual quote
"adapt or die"
or
"grow some balls"
or how about
"bitter much"
lol @ privvies, see you guys dont have a clue really, no balls to fight in 0.0 and not able to adapt sums you up for what you really are ... lame griefers ....
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Felzius
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2007.04.19 17:26:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Azerrad InExile
I suggest you take a look at who Privateers has war decced. I can assure you that it is not just carebear corps..
Even if they were pvp alliances/corporations. I'm sure they were in empire to do something else than pvp every single day ;)
Yes, they can go to 0-sec, but there's not only 1 reason people go to empire.
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Velsharoon
Gallente
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.04.19 17:32:00 -
[88]
Good luck. I am totally on your side, but wish you would just grief people in another way.
0.0 Is not all about blobs, small corps such as Endgame and DNA raid the north constantly and do nothing but pvp.
People still whine when they fight us, it is the way of things. Ignore those whiners and just grief people differently. Those tears make great drinks.
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VinceNoir
Amarr
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.19 17:53:00 -
[89]
Vincent, that chick in your sig has a big ******* forehead.
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Dangerously Cheesey
Anqara Expeditions
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.04.19 17:57:00 -
[90]
Good luck and don't forget to start training a long skill before you leave :)
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