Why?

Bigger is not always better, and nor should it be. If he's in under your guns, and has you scrammed and TDed, where are your drones and/or neuts?

If there are four or five of them, and they are fit for that kind of fight, do you really think one MWD cycle is going to help you do anything at all? If you're outnumbered and outfit, why should there be a one hit gtfo button anyway?

And do you really want to see million EHP battleships? That'll just put null back to biggest ball of maelstroms wins.

A few ideas I was thinking about with battleships. The problem as I see it is once you are scrammed and even if you have a single tracking disruptor you are basically unable to do any damage to any frigates or t3ds inside range. This is true even if you have one grappler web and 1 regular web.

1) some sort of ewar resistance. Say 50%.

2) A new module that works as an afterburner burst. The idea is that it would give your battleship the ability to pulse for a high rate of speed say somewhere around 600% speed boost but it does so for only one cycle. It then has a spool up timer. It would be immune to scrams and should have some immunity to webs as well. Maybe webs cap out to make it only 400% speed boost. The idea is that the battle ship pilot can use this to momentarilly gain some transversal and at least get a few good shots off to possibly kill some of the smaller stuff instead of just always being a sitting duck. I don't really know all the details or numbers here but you get the idea.

3) they should get a hp buff. The increase in ehp between BS and carriers should be comparable to the ehp increase between BS and bcs.

I'm open to battleships getting more ehp and deeps, but only to set them apart from other ships. Ones that should probably be nerfed.

They don't have to be fit for the fight. Your guns won't hit them.

2) A new module that works as an afterburner burst

when you realize op has no understanding of the game


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And no one is talking about Black birds so I don't know why someone keeps mentioning "BBs."

A few ideas I was thinking about with battleships. The problem as I see it is once you are scrammed and even if you have a single tracking disruptor you are basically unable to do any damage to any frigates or t3ds inside range. This is true even if you have one grappler web and 1 regular web.

Instead of posting a few videos over years of eve where someone may have had a good fight why don't you look at less anecdotal information.

Four fights wow. The first was a smart bombing bs and the attacking frigates went in close range. I love how you show a smart bomb battle ship in response to a post I made saying their guns won't hit frigates. The next was station games. I didn't bother with the third or fourth because they are just anecdotal anyway.

Instead of posting a few videos over years of eve where someone may have had a good fight why don't you look at less anecdotal information.

But anyway I am just explaining why I do not use them in low sec. And what I would want to see before I was convinced they would be useful.

Also this is just ironic. You're disputing his anecdotal information with... your own anecdotal information.

Battleships aren't meant to be great at hitting frigates, and the changes you've suggested are just ridiculous. You're annoyed by some things in the game, in this case apparently EWar and your inability to kill small ships that are prepared to fight you in a ship not designed to kill them, and instead of learning what you could do to win that fight or at least give yourself a better chance you're yelling about how Battleships are a worthless class (spoiler: they're not) and how the things used to kill you are OP (again: nope) while ignoring suggestions on how to deal with the situation.

The root issue though seems to be that you want Battleships to be amazing at something they're just not, dealing with smaller ships.

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I am simply saying why I do not fly battleships in pvp. Sure there may be lots of people flying PVP BSs out there and I am just not seeing them on dscan. CCP should have some statistics. If they are being used allot then fine there is no need to buff them.

Well, just about every null group has at least one battleship doctrine on the books, does that count?

I am not even talking about fleet doctrines. I am mainly interested in low sec shenanigans.

I think they all have several "on the books." Also I am not saying they are never brought out. Rattlesnakes, Machs and Nightmares occasionally make a showing. As to whether they are used as much as they should be that is entirely subjective. But I am not even talking about fleet doctrines. I am mainly interested in low sec shenanigans.

Battleships have only had it this good vs frigate once before and that was when tracking didnt exist. I have few issues with frigates in my battleships.

From what I have read about the history of naval warfare is that is all combat ships have their main heavy armament that is supported by smaller more rapid firing armaments.

Battleships are the class of combat ships that have been historically called upon to breach the blockade because of their heavy armor, modest speed and their vast array of armaments.

1906 called and wants to tell you about it's new toy, HMS Dreadnaught. Literally the opposite of what you think a naval battleship is, and what every battleship afterwards was based on.

Seriously. Please, spend thirty seconds on google if you're going to make a comparison.

Now, please explain why you feel battleships should be immune to everything smaller than they are? If you want real world examples, should we look at what sank the Yamato, Repluse, Prince of Wales, Muashi, Tirpitz, the battleships at Pearl Harbour, Mers-el-K+¬bir and Taranto...need I go on?

(Oh god I took the bait again please help me)

Yamato, Repluse, Prince of Wales, Muashi, Tirpitz, the battleships at Pearl Harbour, Mers-el-K+¬bir and Taranto...need I go on?

(Oh god I took the bait again please help me)

I was about to say that you missed out on the Bismark, but then in reading up (to clarify that it was indeed the big-boned battleship I thought it was) I noticed that the Tirpitz was its sister ship.

TIL.


I'm sure it has been said before in this thread, but I'll pipe in with something on-topic. If the frigates are going to be in your brawling range, then have a brawling fit or don't get into brawling range. It's not about "BS can't kill frigates", it's about "I'm trying to brawl with a non-brawling fit".

For example, consider a Nightmare with mega pulse, conflag, a grappler, and a neut. Add on a tracking computer for lulz.

You neut them out for one cycle, it'll probably turn off their prop mod. You grapple them (since they have you scrammed, unless they're in garmurs or something they'll be niiiice and close), then light them up after their velocity drops to double-digits.

It magically turns frigates into... well... not frigates anymore.

If their buddies see what happened to the first guy and decide to hang around, hey you get a few free kills.