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CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:10:00 - [1] Just before the regular downtime today, we discovered an exploit. Due to this we decided to extend the downtime until the exploit could be fixed, and any damage caused by it be reversed. We were successful in both these goals and Tranquility is now back up and running. We could not disclose the true nature of the extended downtime, as that might have notified the exploiters. We hope you accept our apologies for the vague announcement, and for any inconvenience this extended downtime may have caused you. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:13:00 - [2] Since its fixed now mind telling us what the exploit was? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:13:00 - [3] Any chance we could get some information on what the exploit was now that its fixed? Just out of curiosity, of course; it shouldn't matter since it no longer exists. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio
Laserotaku Brotherhood of Polar Equation Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:13:00 - [4] Edited by: Laserotaku on 26/04/2007 14:09:50 PLEASE dont tell, its better that way

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:15:00 - [5] Our policy is not to discuss exploits, but be assured that it was fixed and the exploiters has been dealt with by our friendly neighbourhood GMs. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ


Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:16:00 - [6] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Our policy is not to discuss exploits, but be assured that it was fixed and the exploiters has been dealt with by our friendly neighbourhood GMs. Thats what i like to hear hope they got what was comming to them.... - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| [email protected] \| ME They call me Hutch. I have forgotten why

WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:16:00 - [7] We only need to know it was fixed, perhaps what it effected would be nice, but us being in the dark is best. Bugs should be handled the same way as exploits.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:20:00 - [8] Post the punishment ;-) I'm up for a giggle. i did hear about the one guy some time back that got isk taken out of his wallet... -5bil or something like that... Imagine grinding agents to make that back? /me shudders. SJ. CLS Co-CEO and Standings Director =-
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:21:00 - [9] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/04/2007 14:18:04 Originally by: CCP Wrangler Our policy is not to discuss exploits, but be assured that it was fixed and the exploiters has been dealt with by our friendly neighbourhood GMs. If its your policy not to discuss exploits even after the fact, what happened to the 8/10 Angel complexes? Or the instant-war trick? Or putting dreadnoughts on the undock point of a station? Or using containers as warpin points around gates? Or bookmark bomb shuttles? They seem pretty "discussed" to me. Or are they only allowed to be discussed until they are fixed? --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio
Madman Murry	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:22:00 - [10] Your policy sucks. We are not mushrooms, although you continue to treat us as such.
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Madman Murry Your policy sucks. We are not mushrooms, although you continue to treat us as such. What possible good would come from us knowing what exploit they fixed?
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:32:00 - [12] Originally by: CCP Wrangler "We could not disclose the true nature of the extended downtime, as that might have notified the exploiters." What were they going to do while they were in a DT like the rest of us? Hmm, somebody who can exploit during DT then... hmmm... 5 isk says this is T21. Eve: Cheats prosper.
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:34:00 - [13] Originally by: WhitePhantom Originally by: Madman Murry Your policy sucks. We are not mushrooms, although you continue to treat us as such. What possible good would come from us knowing what exploit they fixed? Yeah ... it's fixed, case closed ... next exploit. I think it's just normal human beeing's curiosity. Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++
Ling Xiao	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:35:00 - [14] Making it publically known even after it's fixed may only encourage people to find similar problems, or give them ideas of the kind of things to look for. Better safe than sorry. __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
Isyel Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:35:00 - [15] Originally by: Madman Murry Your policy sucks. We are not mushrooms, although you continue to treat us as such. Most just happen to have the intellectual ability of mushrooms tho. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Ling Xiao	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Gaven Blands Originally by: CCP Wrangler "We could not disclose the true nature of the extended downtime, as that might have notified the exploiters." What were they going to do while they were in a DT like the rest of us? Hmm, somebody who can exploit during DT then... hmmm... 5 isk says this is T21. Hi, meet my signature. __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
Tortilla Smasher The Stain Project The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:37:00 - [17] Why the hell couldn't you tell us after the server had been taken down? This is crap it really is. Just say 1 minute into downtime "Downtime will be longer" etc etc, instead of this bull**** about server startup. POOR PR, Very poor. -- This is a signature. Un-hijacked since forever *emo-tear this space is MINE! - Deckard I love Deckard+Hutchy - Tortilla
Ar Inziladun United Technologies	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:39:00 - [18] I am glad CCP is on top of things. Thanks for fixing that vague thing that you cannot mention that people were exploiting. You could have just used the normal "we had hardware issues" and no one would have been the wiser. Instead you rile everyone up about some exploit you won't tell them about, lol. I dislike that we do not get compensated for all of these inconviences CCP has been causing. I again lost 12 hrs of training time because the system was down, unexpectedly, and I could not log in to start my new skill before heading to work. Now I am sitting here looking at my character sheet, no blinking light, no skill training. Originally by: CCP Wrangler We hope you accept our apologies for the vague announcement, and for any inconvenience this extended downtime may have caused you. I am glad CCP is sorry all the time but how does that help me? Make things right when unexpected things happen and reimburse your players for their loss. Saying sorry doesn't help me get back lost training time. How many times will CCP say sorry for an issue or mistake before they make amends to the playerbase? I don't accept your apology. Nothing personal but I am a customer and you are a business providing a service. How many times as a customer should I just rollover and accept your apology before I get upset and flip out on the forums? Ooh wait, it just happened. This is a valid concern, please do not remove the post.
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:40:00 - [19] Dear CCP, I hope you get the problem sorted. ignore the whingers. lots of love Ry ry XXX
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Ar Inziladun I am glad CCP is on top of things. Thanks for fixing that vague thing that you cannot mention that people were exploiting. You could have just used the normal "we had hardware issues" and no one would have been the wiser. Instead you rile everyone up about some exploit you won't tell them about, lol. I dislike that we do not get compensated for all of these inconviences CCP has been causing. I again lost 12 hrs of training time because the system was down, unexpectedly, and I could not log in to start my new skill before heading to work. Now I am sitting here looking at my character sheet, no blinking light, no skill training. Originally by: CCP Wrangler We hope you accept our apologies for the vague announcement, and for any inconvenience this extended downtime may have caused you. I am glad CCP is sorry all the time but how does that help me? Make things right when unexpected things happen and reimburse your players for their loss. Saying sorry doesn't help me get back lost training time. How many times will CCP say sorry for an issue or mistake before they make amends to the playerbase? I don't accept your apology. Nothing personal but I am a customer and you are a business providing a service. How many times as a customer should I just rollover and accept your apology before I get upset and flip out on the forums? Ooh wait, it just happened. This is a valid concern, please do not remove the post. can i have your stuff?
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:41:00 - [21] Originally by: SamuraiJack Post the punishment ;-) I'm up for a giggle. i did hear about the one guy some time back that got isk taken out of his wallet... -5bil or something like that... Imagine grinding agents to make that back? /me shudders. It was one of them famous m0o guys, and there were no agents to grind away at. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Ling Xiao Hi, meet my signature. >sigh< So far, we only have solid proof that 0.0 is rigged. So I avoid 0.0 because of that. When we have solid proof that low sec is rigged, I will avoid that too. Ditto highsec. And finally, Darkfall isn't out yet, and neither is Infinity. Show me a viable alternative to Eve, and I am gone. But I suspect you are a troll, and no answer will satisfy you. Eve: Cheats prosper.
Maximillian Power Minmatar WOLFPACK DELTA SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:44:00 - [23] Nice work guys. Thanks for letting us know why the outage occurred (and it didn't even affect me cause I was working). On another note - I, personally, cannot think of any reason not to let us know what the exploit was. Seems a sensible thing to do imo. I've always found that, in reality, eve is not down that much considering the user load it is under. In general I find it impressive. -------------------------------- So....
Laserotaku Brotherhood of Polar Equation Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:47:00 - [24] id imagine also that only people that do exploit are curious about what it was
Ar Inziladun United Technologies	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:47:00 - [25] Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Ar Inziladun I am glad CCP is on top of things. Thanks for fixing that vague thing that you cannot mention that people were exploiting. You could have just used the normal "we had hardware issues" and no one would have been the wiser. Instead you rile everyone up about some exploit you won't tell them about, lol. I dislike that we do not get compensated for all of these inconviences CCP has been causing. I again lost 12 hrs of training time because the system was down, unexpectedly, and I could not log in to start my new skill before heading to work. Now I am sitting here looking at my character sheet, no blinking light, no skill training. Originally by: CCP Wrangler We hope you accept our apologies for the vague announcement, and for any inconvenience this extended downtime may have caused you. I am glad CCP is sorry all the time but how does that help me? Make things right when unexpected things happen and reimburse your players for their loss. Saying sorry doesn't help me get back lost training time. How many times will CCP say sorry for an issue or mistake before they make amends to the playerbase? I don't accept your apology. Nothing personal but I am a customer and you are a business providing a service. How many times as a customer should I just rollover and accept your apology before I get upset and flip out on the forums? Ooh wait, it just happened. This is a valid concern, please do not remove the post. can i have your stuff? Who said I was quitting? Just upset that is all. Voicing that anger helps.
Maximillian Power Minmatar WOLFPACK DELTA SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Laserotaku id imagine also that only people that do exploit are curious about what it was No - many people are generally inquisitive about what can and does go wrong. -------------------------------- So....
Laserotaku Brotherhood of Polar Equation Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:50:00 - [27] Edited by: Laserotaku on 26/04/2007 14:48:55 at least we have few altposts who try to sway public opinion so that it makes CCP look bad for not posting what the exploit was
Maximillian Power Minmatar WOLFPACK DELTA SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:53:00 - [28] Originally by: Laserotaku at least we have few altposts who try to sway public opinion lol - was that directed at me I've been accused of a lot of things but that just takes the proverbial biscuit tbh -------------------------------- So....
Laserotaku Brotherhood of Polar Equation Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Maximillian Power Originally by: Laserotaku at least we have few altposts who try to sway public opinion lol - was that directed at me I've been accused of a lot of things but that just takes the proverbial biscuit tbh no, it was directed for alts
Maximillian Power Minmatar WOLFPACK DELTA SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:56:00 - [30] Originally by: Laserotaku Originally by: Maximillian Power Originally by: Laserotaku at least we have few altposts who try to sway public opinion lol - was that directed at me I've been accused of a lot of things but that just takes the proverbial biscuit tbh no, it was directed for alts anyway - don't want to go any further off topic - so i'll say fair enough. I just don't get exactly who in the list of responses you were actually getting at. My bad. -------------------------------- So....
MissileRus	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:58:00 - [31] you got a problem with alts? do ya? huh do ya? PUNK! thx for the exploit fix, whatever it was.. --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Laserotaku Brotherhood of Polar Equation Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 14:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Maximillian Power Originally by: Laserotaku Originally by: Maximillian Power Originally by: Laserotaku at least we have few altposts who try to sway public opinion lol - was that directed at me I've been accused of a lot of things but that just takes the proverbial biscuit tbh no, it was directed for alts anyway - don't want to go any further off topic - so i'll say fair enough. I just don't get exactly who in the list of responses you were actually getting at. My bad. alright, lets not make quotemonsters
Katana Sengoku Minmatar The Knights Templar Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:02:00 - [33] I'm curious to see what lengths people go to in this game to try and be better and more succesful. If you can't tell us what the exploit was, can you tell us what they were gaining? ... or what others were losing?

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Katana Sengoku I'm curious to see what lengths people go to in this game to try and be better and more succesful. If you can't tell us what the exploit was, can you tell us what they were gaining? ... or what others were losing? No, only that whatever anyone gained was removed, and it didn't involve anyone losing anything. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Michayel Lyon The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:07:00 - [35] Translation: "We realized that the enemies of our friends in an undisclosed alliance had found a haxploit we installed for use by previously mentioned friends. Since haxploiting is not acceptable (except when used by our friends), we had to install new logging features and punish the haxploiters (not our friends, our friends' enemies). However, since we are not removing the haxploit itself (we care about our friends), we can't disclose the nature of the haxploit." (Warning: Above text may contain heavy doses of sarcasm, and doesn't necessarily reflect the opinion of my alliance, my corp, or even myself.) --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions GM Xamother: "Beeing online is not considered harassment or exploit."

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:18:00 - [36] Originally by: Michayel Lyon Translation: "We realized that the enemies of our friends in an undisclosed alliance had found a haxploit we installed for use by previously mentioned friends. Since haxploiting is not acceptable (except when used by our friends), we had to install new logging features and punish the haxploiters (not our friends, our friends' enemies). However, since we are not removing the haxploit itself (we care about our friends), we can't disclose the nature of the haxploit." (Warning: Above text may contain heavy doses of sarcasm, and doesn't necessarily reflect the opinion of my alliance, my corp, or even myself.) No, it means we have fixed the exploit and dealt with the ones who exploited, but we don't discuss exploits. Which is just what was written in my post. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Lynk BearMayhem Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:24:00 - [37] Although we all trust CCP implicitly with running all aspects of the game and with making certain that everyone plays fairly, I think the issue with wanting to know what the exploit was falls into the category of many wanting to make certain that neither they, their friends, their corporation, or their alliance was the victim of the exploit and that CCP just happened to miss it in their case. Not to mention, we are just curious as hell and can't help ourselves, we love deep dark gossip. That's why we play an mmpog anyway. "He has all the virtues I dislike, and none of the vices I admire" - (Sir Winston Churchill)
Freylor Gallente SnowSink Enterprises.	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:31:00 - [38] Personally i just dont like being bull****ted about 'server startup issues' when actually that wasnt the case. ---

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Lynk BearMayhem I think the issue with wanting to know what the exploit was falls into the category of many wanting to make certain that neither they, their friends, their corporation, or their alliance was the victim of the exploit and that CCP just happened to miss it in their case. Ok then, no one, no ones friends, no corporations or alliances were the victim of this exploit. We have had Devs and GMs dealing with this and all consequences of the exploit was reversed. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:33:00 - [40] so it was a duping bug then? ;p
dennyreborn	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:34:00 - [41] there was no exploit that is the reason they are not telling us about it. What really happened is the DEV and GM team all decided to go to the PUB for a few hours. And since they cant leave the server running while no one is there they turned it off. why else does Wrangler's breath smell like Whiskey even on the forums.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:35:00 - [42] Originally by: dennyreborn there was no exploit that is the reason they are not telling us about it. What really happened is the DEV and GM team all decided to go to the PUB for a few hours. And since they cant leave the server running while no one is there they turned it off. why else does Wrangler's breath smell like Whiskey even on the forums. I use it purely for medicinal purposes!! Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

ElrondMD The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:35:00 - [43] What a joke, fix the sploit in someone elses time, we lose time every day.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:38:00 - [44] Maybe we just have to wait for the whinage: "OMG! I can't do <whatever> anymore. That was my play style. You nerfed the game, EVE it's gonna die! I will quit...cancelling account... etc etc." Let's watch out for those. When it happens, <whatever> == fixed_exploit. And don't forget to ask if you can have their stuff, or at least the stuff that was not removed by GMs.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.26 15:43:00 - [45] i think this thread deserves an epic - ITS JUST A GAME - and you can go spend time with the family while its down you guys take some things for granted with your life and with the game if you get mad over an extended downtime To CCP: i only hope you guys can continue the single persistent server as the subscribers go into the millions it would be a shame for some of the core values of EVE to be broken down...
Lynk BearMayhem Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:02:00 - [46] Thanks for the reply Wrangler, and I do actually feel better. Of course that does not appease my hedonistic desire to know all the little dark secrets. You know, all that inquiring minds bit. Anyway, thanks for finding the problem, for fixing the problem, and for letting us know the truth. It may hurt a bit at first, but things we will get better, and trust will return as long as CCP continues to tell the truth and to follow their policies. All in all, I love the game, otherwise I would not still be around. I also think CCP has done a good job, but us customers always want more. As for the it's just a game thing, I don't know how much time you spend playing this derned thing, but the it's just a game does not fly. There are many aspects of the corporate and alliance life I just can't participate in because I do have a life and can not dedicate that kind of game play. Of course that does not stop me from playing when I can or from incurring the wrath of my significant other when she finds out that I'm gonna be tied up for a couple hours online with my alternate life friends. You get out what you put in, RL or game. "He has all the virtues I dislike, and none of the vices I admire" - (Sir Winston Churchill)
Ar Inziladun United Technologies	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:03:00 - [47] Originally by: SiJira i think this thread deserves an epic - ITS JUST A GAME - and you can go spend time with the family while its down you guys take some things for granted with your life and with the game if you get mad over an extended downtime To CCP: i only hope you guys can continue the single persistent server as the subscribers go into the millions it would be a shame for some of the core values of EVE to be broken down... No it is more frustration on the part that it interrupts people's routines, plans, endeavours, etc. I for one have to wait until I get home to start my skill that could have been started this morning before I headed out for the day. You add up these unscheduled DT, or Extended DT, over the course of the month/year, it adds up to a lot of missed training time.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:08:00 - [48] Originally by: Ar Inziladun Originally by: SiJira i think this thread deserves an epic - ITS JUST A GAME - and you can go spend time with the family while its down you guys take some things for granted with your life and with the game if you get mad over an extended downtime To CCP: i only hope you guys can continue the single persistent server as the subscribers go into the millions it would be a shame for some of the core values of EVE to be broken down... No it is more frustration on the part that it interrupts people's routines, plans, endeavours, etc. I for one have to wait until I get home to start my skill that could have been started this morning before I headed out for the day. You add up these unscheduled DT, or Extended DT, over the course of the month/year, it adds up to a lot of missed training time. train big skills whenever you go offline - the 12 hour or less ones should be done when you are semi-at your keyboard.
Ar Inziladun United Technologies	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:09:00 - [49] Originally by: Lynk BearMayhem ...Of course that does not stop me from playing when I can or from incurring the wrath of my significant other when she finds out that I'm gonna be tied up for a couple hours online with my alternate life friends. You get out what you put in, RL or game. Ha ha ha! I get that too. "Why can't you leave your computer?" Me "I just started a mission or OP and it will take 2-3 hours." My Other "Sleep on the couch!" lol
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:13:00 - [50] Frankly, there are so many things in "normal gameplay" in Eve that resemble exploits in other games, I'd find it reassuring to know what an actual Eve exploit is.
DragonRiderTao	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:14:00 - [51] Originally by: Ar Inziladun Originally by: Lynk BearMayhem ...Of course that does not stop me from playing when I can or from incurring the wrath of my significant other when she finds out that I'm gonna be tied up for a couple hours online with my alternate life friends. You get out what you put in, RL or game. Ha ha ha! I get that too. "Why can't you leave your computer?" Me "I just started a mission or OP and it will take 2-3 hours." My Other "Sleep on the couch!" lol That is when you say, "I pay the bills honey I get to sleep where I want. How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine.
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:17:00 - [52] and spend the next month sleeping with your own hand. :(
Tarron Sarek Gallente Cadien Cybernetics	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:29:00 - [53] Originally by: CCP Wrangler (..)dealing with this and all consequences of the exploit was reversed. Well, if that's true I'm happy and "good work!" from my part. It seems you've got it right, this time. _________________________________ - The sky is the sky wherever you go -
Adaris Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:32:00 - [54] Not a problem Wrangler, its important to deal with exploits. Very important. * * * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZ0j7vtKEQ
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:33:00 - [55] Originally by: Montague Zooma Frankly, there are so many things in "normal gameplay" in Eve that resemble exploits in other games, I'd find it reassuring to know what an actual Eve exploit is. Agreed. This game has a reputation (and rightfully earned) that nothing is an exploit no matter how obvious it is until the devs can be bothered to patch it out or make a statement on it. At the very least it would be nice to know what kind of exploit it was, even if we can't have the specific details. It must have been something really uber for the devs to go through this kind of effort to patch it out. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:39:00 - [56] Quote: Our policy is not to discuss exploits Your "policy" seems to be to not reveal anything about anything, it's getting quite annoying now. If your policy is to not talk about exploits even after they have been fixed, then change your policy. All this cloak and dagger stuff annoys the hell out of me. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Ymsc Zod No Quarter.	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:41:00 - [57] If exploits can't be told, why do we have a section in the patch notes that tell us exploits that have been fixed?
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:46:00 - [58] Sheer comedy, the Management tell us something bad happened, and that its now fixed, no reason to panic, and with this good news, some people with their sharp intelect and wit decide to rant at the GM's for something so trivial its unbelieveble. Just take good news for what it is.... good news! Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
dookes Gallente LDRD	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:52:00 - [59] It was most likely the marked thing where people could buy lots of ships the after a while they would show up in there hangar and their wallet would go -. Witch people might have used to thier advantage. Ofc i dunno, just guessing.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.04.26 16:55:00 - [60] Originally by: Xtro 2 Sheer comedy, the Management tell us something bad happened, and that its now fixed, no reason to panic, and with this good news, some people with their sharp intelect and wit decide to rant at the GM's for something so trivial its unbelieveble. Just take good news for what it is.... good news! Yes, and the chocolate ration has been increased this week to 20g (even though it was 25g last week). Baseless claims, even from CCP, don't have meaning without something to back them up. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:02:00 - [61] Edited by: SiJira on 26/04/2007 17:00:02 double post
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:02:00 - [62] Edited by: SiJira on 26/04/2007 17:00:02 double post
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:04:00 - [63] Originally by: Adaris Not a problem Wrangler, its important to deal with exploits. Very important. support ! i agree
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:04:00 - [64] It was never there... And when it was there it did not affect anyone... And all those affected have had effect reversed... But it was bad enough to extend down time to cover something that was never there... Truth is, What Pub? I want to know where to go to buy you a drink when I am not really there... granted, I have a huge number of people telling me where to go... but I have been there and the food was better. Noob in training...
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:04:00 - [65] Originally by: Adaris Not a problem Wrangler, its important to deal with exploits. Very important. support ! i agree
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:04:00 - [66] It was never there... And when it was there it did not affect anyone... And all those affected have had effect reversed... But it was bad enough to extend down time to cover something that was never there... Truth is, What Pub? I want to know where to go to buy you a drink when I am not really there... granted, I have a huge number of people telling me where to go... but I have been there and the food was better. Noob in training...
Katya Peti Gallente Juggernaut Industries	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:12:00 - [67] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Katana Sengoku I'm curious to see what lengths people go to in this game to try and be better and more succesful. If you can't tell us what the exploit was, can you tell us what they were gaining? ... or what others were losing? No, only that whatever anyone gained was removed, and it didn't involve anyone losing anything. Not exactly true. Look at the bottom of the patch notes and you will see that exploits were discussed. Either way, good job on the catch and keep up the good work.
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:12:00 - [68] Originally by: Laserotaku id imagine also that only people that do exploit are curious about what it was nah some of us are just curious and find that sort of thing amusing. if people put as much energy into playing inside the rules as they did cheating the system they'd actually wind up further ahead.
Katya Peti Gallente Juggernaut Industries	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:12:00 - [69] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Katana Sengoku I'm curious to see what lengths people go to in this game to try and be better and more succesful. If you can't tell us what the exploit was, can you tell us what they were gaining? ... or what others were losing? No, only that whatever anyone gained was removed, and it didn't involve anyone losing anything. Not exactly true. Look at the bottom of the patch notes and you will see that exploits were discussed. Either way, good job on the catch and keep up the good work.
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:12:00 - [70] Originally by: Laserotaku id imagine also that only people that do exploit are curious about what it was nah some of us are just curious and find that sort of thing amusing. if people put as much energy into playing inside the rules as they did cheating the system they'd actually wind up further ahead.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:14:00 - [71] Originally by: QwaarJet Quote: Our policy is not to discuss exploits Your "policy" seems to be to not reveal anything about anything, it's getting quite annoying now. If your policy is to not talk about exploits even after they have been fixed, then change your policy. All this cloak and dagger stuff annoys the hell out of me. try investing in ISSO... a lot less info there rabble
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:14:00 - [72] Originally by: QwaarJet Quote: Our policy is not to discuss exploits Your "policy" seems to be to not reveal anything about anything, it's getting quite annoying now. If your policy is to not talk about exploits even after they have been fixed, then change your policy. All this cloak and dagger stuff annoys the hell out of me. try investing in ISSO... a lot less info there rabble
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:42:00 - [73] Edited by: WhitePhantom on 26/04/2007 17:40:42 Originally by: ElrondMD What a joke, fix the sploit in someone elses time, we lose time every day. They fixed it on their own time, when else would they fix it? To everyone that wants to know what the exploit, why do you want to know, what possible good will come from you knowing?
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:42:00 - [74] Edited by: WhitePhantom on 26/04/2007 17:40:42 Originally by: ElrondMD What a joke, fix the sploit in someone elses time, we lose time every day. They fixed it on their own time, when else would they fix it? To everyone that wants to know what the exploit, why do you want to know, what possible good will come from you knowing?
Avrunath	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:56:00 - [75] Originally by: ry ry Dear CCP, I hope you get the problem sorted. ignore the whingers. lots of love Ry ry XXX Why dont you just leave people with their opinion. In my opinion i should also treated with a bit more caring, because i pay for the game. And saying sorry all the time doesnt really help to much. I remember times where we were of a bit more worth for CCP when we did get one day of subscription reimbursed for the bloody long Patches and the days after were everything is screwed up. Just an opinion. And for your info ry ry, if they dont listen to the whiners and moaner they will have more than half of EVE-Subscribers lost because there are even points in this game were you would start to whine.
Avrunath	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:56:00 - [76] Originally by: ry ry Dear CCP, I hope you get the problem sorted. ignore the whingers. lots of love Ry ry XXX Why dont you just leave people with their opinion. In my opinion i should also treated with a bit more caring, because i pay for the game. And saying sorry all the time doesnt really help to much. I remember times where we were of a bit more worth for CCP when we did get one day of subscription reimbursed for the bloody long Patches and the days after were everything is screwed up. Just an opinion. And for your info ry ry, if they dont listen to the whiners and moaner they will have more than half of EVE-Subscribers lost because there are even points in this game were you would start to whine.
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:59:00 - [77] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Our policy is not to discuss exploits... Wrangler, that's simply not true. In the year I've been playing, I've seen several CCP communications about exploits. Generally they have been one sentence summaries, true. But some information (such as "we fixed an exploit that was resulting in extreme profits in the snowball markets") has frequently been provided. So, is this a new policy? And if not, why not simply say "We're not going to talk about this one" rather than speak of a policy that isn't consistent with game history? ------------------ Ironfleet.com Proposal: Automated Ore Return Vehicles
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:59:00 - [78] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Our policy is not to discuss exploits... Wrangler, that's simply not true. In the year I've been playing, I've seen several CCP communications about exploits. Generally they have been one sentence summaries, true. But some information (such as "we fixed an exploit that was resulting in extreme profits in the snowball markets") has frequently been provided. So, is this a new policy? And if not, why not simply say "We're not going to talk about this one" rather than speak of a policy that isn't consistent with game history? ------------------ Ironfleet.com Proposal: Automated Ore Return Vehicles
Kaynea Mei	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:04:00 - [79] Edited by: Kaynea Mei on 26/04/2007 18:01:10 From patch notes: Quote: Exploit fixes: The following items were addressed during the patch but not announced in an effort to prevent last minute exploiting. It is no longer possible to see the "Corp Blueprints" tab in the S&I interface without one of the following roles: "Rent Research Slot", "Factory Manager", "Rent Factory Slot", or higher roles as per corporation design. Logging off immediately after jumping into a warp disruptor bubble no longer grants invulnerability, much to the delight of gate campers everywhere. Are those the ones or were those there before?
Kaynea Mei	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:04:00 - [80] Edited by: Kaynea Mei on 26/04/2007 18:01:10 From patch notes: Quote: Exploit fixes: The following items were addressed during the patch but not announced in an effort to prevent last minute exploiting. It is no longer possible to see the "Corp Blueprints" tab in the S&I interface without one of the following roles: "Rent Research Slot", "Factory Manager", "Rent Factory Slot", or higher roles as per corporation design. Logging off immediately after jumping into a warp disruptor bubble no longer grants invulnerability, much to the delight of gate campers everywhere. Are those the ones or were those there before?
dennyreborn	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:47:00 - [81] likely a pve exploit where they could make billions of isk. Look people your going to do something you think might not be intended in game mechanics to make isk don't make so much isk that the total isk in player hands double.
dennyreborn	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:47:00 - [82] likely a pve exploit where they could make billions of isk. Look people your going to do something you think might not be intended in game mechanics to make isk don't make so much isk that the total isk in player hands double.
Mrmuttley Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.04.26 19:26:00 - [83] @ the people who are demanding to know what the exploit was. Just my 0.02 Isk but if CCP had said "Sorry folks but the servers too waaaaay too long to start up due to a minor software issue which we have now fixed" then IMHO the whinage would be less. Its wouldn't even be untrue. @ CCP esp Wrangler most of us are reassured by messages that you fix things we didn't even realise were borked. Even if you dont tell us why it was borked. Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Time for a new Sig. Any Ideas?
Mrmuttley Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.04.26 19:26:00 - [84] @ the people who are demanding to know what the exploit was. Just my 0.02 Isk but if CCP had said "Sorry folks but the servers too waaaaay too long to start up due to a minor software issue which we have now fixed" then IMHO the whinage would be less. Its wouldn't even be untrue. @ CCP esp Wrangler most of us are reassured by messages that you fix things we didn't even realise were borked. Even if you dont tell us why it was borked. Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Time for a new Sig. Any Ideas?
Majon Tremkor Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.04.26 21:53:00 - [85] Edited by: Majon Tremkor on 26/04/2007 21:50:18 Originally by: Kaynea Mei Edited by: Kaynea Mei on 26/04/2007 18:01:10 From patch notes: Quote: Exploit fixes: The following items were addressed during the patch but not announced in an effort to prevent last minute exploiting. It is no longer possible to see the "Corp Blueprints" tab in the S&I interface without one of the following roles: "Rent Research Slot", "Factory Manager", "Rent Factory Slot", or higher roles as per corporation design. Logging off immediately after jumping into a warp disruptor bubble no longer grants invulnerability, much to the delight of gate campers everywhere. Are those the ones or were those there before? It's from the latest patch notes. *edit The exploit fixed today was different from these. Exploits (after being fixed) have been announced many times previously. Either through patch notes (see the patch notes from a couple DAYS ago), random dev posts, stickies on the forums, news items etc. It's a change in policy to NOT announce them after being fixed.
Majon Tremkor Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.04.26 21:53:00 - [86] Edited by: Majon Tremkor on 26/04/2007 21:50:18 Originally by: Kaynea Mei Edited by: Kaynea Mei on 26/04/2007 18:01:10 From patch notes: Quote: Exploit fixes: The following items were addressed during the patch but not announced in an effort to prevent last minute exploiting. It is no longer possible to see the "Corp Blueprints" tab in the S&I interface without one of the following roles: "Rent Research Slot", "Factory Manager", "Rent Factory Slot", or higher roles as per corporation design. Logging off immediately after jumping into a warp disruptor bubble no longer grants invulnerability, much to the delight of gate campers everywhere. Are those the ones or were those there before? It's from the latest patch notes. *edit The exploit fixed today was different from these. Exploits (after being fixed) have been announced many times previously. Either through patch notes (see the patch notes from a couple DAYS ago), random dev posts, stickies on the forums, news items etc. It's a change in policy to NOT announce them after being fixed.
El'essar Viocragh	Posted - 2007.04.26 21:59:00 - [87] Originally by: Kaynea Mei Edited by: Kaynea Mei on 26/04/2007 18:01:10 From patch notes: Quote: Exploit fixes: The following items were addressed during the patch but not announced in an effort to prevent last minute exploiting. It is no longer possible to see the "Corp Blueprints" tab in the S&I interface without one of the following roles: "Rent Research Slot", "Factory Manager", "Rent Factory Slot", or higher roles as per corporation design. Logging off immediately after jumping into a warp disruptor bubble no longer grants invulnerability, much to the delight of gate campers everywhere. Are those the ones or were those there before? Those were there before, and are basically the real problem. CCP's stance on this is neither "full disclosure" nor "security by obscurity". Which leaves us a bit hanging in the air, somewhere between "good information policy" and "ashamed of their code's side effects". An position hard to feel comfortable in. The ends of the scale are much easier to arrange oneself with.
El'essar Viocragh	Posted - 2007.04.26 21:59:00 - [88] Originally by: Kaynea Mei Edited by: Kaynea Mei on 26/04/2007 18:01:10 From patch notes: Quote: Exploit fixes: The following items were addressed during the patch but not announced in an effort to prevent last minute exploiting. It is no longer possible to see the "Corp Blueprints" tab in the S&I interface without one of the following roles: "Rent Research Slot", "Factory Manager", "Rent Factory Slot", or higher roles as per corporation design. Logging off immediately after jumping into a warp disruptor bubble no longer grants invulnerability, much to the delight of gate campers everywhere. Are those the ones or were those there before? Those were there before, and are basically the real problem. CCP's stance on this is neither "full disclosure" nor "security by obscurity". Which leaves us a bit hanging in the air, somewhere between "good information policy" and "ashamed of their code's side effects". An position hard to feel comfortable in. The ends of the scale are much easier to arrange oneself with.
Yd Landark Amarr Neon Knights	Posted - 2007.04.26 22:28:00 - [89] Thkx CCP, GMs, for a great work, don't mind the whinners <<<---LOOK!!!! I'm rendered!!!
Yd Landark Amarr Neon Knights	Posted - 2007.04.26 22:28:00 - [90] Thkx CCP, GMs, for a great work, don't mind the whinners <<<---LOOK!!!! I'm rendered!!!
Dulsung	Posted - 2007.04.26 23:41:00 - [91] Originally by: Majon Tremkor Exploits (after being fixed) have been announced many times previously. Either through patch notes (see the patch notes from a couple DAYS ago), random dev posts, stickies on the forums, news items etc. It's a change in policy to NOT announce them after being fixed. There's usually two types of exploits in games like EVE. One where it's a cheesy thing to do, but is kinda rare and doesn't really affect people for the most part. Those are the kinds of exploits you see fixed in the patch notes. The other kind of exploit is the kind which could cripple a game in a matter of hours. Usually this is like duping or some obscenely large amount of gain for no effort. I've seen plenty of games where this kind of thing happens and BAM down go the servers and you never find out what it was that was happening. You are never told so you don't get ideas about ways to do that kind of thing again. I'm guessing this mornings fun was a big enough game breaking thing that they had to shut down the servers. My ISK is on a fedo revolt! The poor buggers were eating their way through ship hulls and crews were doomed. But we'll never know. If you're gonna be angry at anyone, don't be angry at CCP, be angry at the morons that tried to exploit whatever it was enough to force an emergency shutdown like that.
Dulsung	Posted - 2007.04.26 23:41:00 - [92] Originally by: Majon Tremkor Exploits (after being fixed) have been announced many times previously. Either through patch notes (see the patch notes from a couple DAYS ago), random dev posts, stickies on the forums, news items etc. It's a change in policy to NOT announce them after being fixed. There's usually two types of exploits in games like EVE. One where it's a cheesy thing to do, but is kinda rare and doesn't really affect people for the most part. Those are the kinds of exploits you see fixed in the patch notes. The other kind of exploit is the kind which could cripple a game in a matter of hours. Usually this is like duping or some obscenely large amount of gain for no effort. I've seen plenty of games where this kind of thing happens and BAM down go the servers and you never find out what it was that was happening. You are never told so you don't get ideas about ways to do that kind of thing again. I'm guessing this mornings fun was a big enough game breaking thing that they had to shut down the servers. My ISK is on a fedo revolt! The poor buggers were eating their way through ship hulls and crews were doomed. But we'll never know. If you're gonna be angry at anyone, don't be angry at CCP, be angry at the morons that tried to exploit whatever it was enough to force an emergency shutdown like that.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.27 00:21:00 - [93] Frack, ya'll make it sound like they want to spend extra time at work patching up exploits instead of being out depleting Iceland's limited supply of booze and virgins. "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.27 00:21:00 - [94] Frack, ya'll make it sound like they want to spend extra time at work patching up exploits instead of being out depleting Iceland's limited supply of booze and virgins. "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
JForce Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 00:23:00 - [95] Originally by: SiJira i think this thread deserves an epic - ITS JUST A GAME - and you can go spend time with the family while its down Eve > Family
JForce Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 00:23:00 - [96] Originally by: SiJira i think this thread deserves an epic - ITS JUST A GAME - and you can go spend time with the family while its down Eve > Family
Juliette Red Jags Corp	Posted - 2007.04.27 00:47:00 - [97] Opinions are like ******s , and we have a lot of ******s here
Juliette Red Jags Corp	Posted - 2007.04.27 00:47:00 - [98] Opinions are like ******s , and we have a lot of ******s here
Ket Halpak ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 01:02:00 - [99] There are other ways of getting info out of CCP. "Bring me the gasp light beer" We are more than likely not being told about this particular exploit as it is more than likely game breaking, or just a little more serious than reprocessing station containers _ Check out my blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com Privateers: Those who don't adapt become victims of harsh irony
Ket Halpak ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.27 01:02:00 - [100] There are other ways of getting info out of CCP. "Bring me the gasp light beer" We are more than likely not being told about this particular exploit as it is more than likely game breaking, or just a little more serious than reprocessing station containers _ Check out my blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com Privateers: Those who don't adapt become victims of harsh irony
Kldraina	Posted - 2007.04.27 03:29:00 - [101] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Lynk BearMayhem I think the issue with wanting to know what the exploit was falls into the category of many wanting to make certain that neither they, their friends, their corporation, or their alliance was the victim of the exploit and that CCP just happened to miss it in their case. Ok then, no one, no ones friends, no corporations or alliances were the victim of this exploit. We have had Devs and GMs dealing with this and all consequences of the exploit was reversed. Just wanted to thank you for this snippet, as this sort of thing can be very important to people. People generally like more specific assurances than a simple "it's fixed" because "it's fixed" doesn't really answer the question of "did this in any way affect me". --- Most players have no idea what makes a game good.
Kldraina	Posted - 2007.04.27 03:29:00 - [102] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Lynk BearMayhem I think the issue with wanting to know what the exploit was falls into the category of many wanting to make certain that neither they, their friends, their corporation, or their alliance was the victim of the exploit and that CCP just happened to miss it in their case. Ok then, no one, no ones friends, no corporations or alliances were the victim of this exploit. We have had Devs and GMs dealing with this and all consequences of the exploit was reversed. Just wanted to thank you for this snippet, as this sort of thing can be very important to people. People generally like more specific assurances than a simple "it's fixed" because "it's fixed" doesn't really answer the question of "did this in any way affect me". --- Most players have no idea what makes a game good.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.27 03:53:00 - [103] Basically, the reason I want to know about exploits is fourfold: I may have seen someone using that exploit (especially when logs for it are inconclusive), which would help you catch the exploiters, or have seen a variant on it, which you may not have spotted in your logs. If all of a sudden I now have a warning on my account for doing something I didn't realize was an exploit (an alliancemate who accidentally bought from escrow when you could go negative by doing so comes to mind; he went negative and then immediately transferred isk over from an alt to cover it, but got the banhammer for a week or two anyway), I'd like to know about it, so I can contest it if necessary, or at the very least not attempt to do it again! As a former QA professional, I love to see how systems break. With the combination of (Stackless) Python, C, ASP, and SQL underlying this game (and I wouldn't be surprised to find some Perl or LISP hidden in some deep, dark corners), the potential for delightfully-subtle interactions makes me drool. You guys get to test some SERIOUSLY complex software! If I can come up with a variant on that exploit, I can hop on the test server and identify and bugreport it before the exploiters (who now have little to lose, and know EXACTLY what the exploit is, after all!) can come up with it first. --P
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.27 03:53:00 - [104] Basically, the reason I want to know about exploits is fourfold: I may have seen someone using that exploit (especially when logs for it are inconclusive), which would help you catch the exploiters, or have seen a variant on it, which you may not have spotted in your logs. If all of a sudden I now have a warning on my account for doing something I didn't realize was an exploit (an alliancemate who accidentally bought from escrow when you could go negative by doing so comes to mind; he went negative and then immediately transferred isk over from an alt to cover it, but got the banhammer for a week or two anyway), I'd like to know about it, so I can contest it if necessary, or at the very least not attempt to do it again! As a former QA professional, I love to see how systems break. With the combination of (Stackless) Python, C, ASP, and SQL underlying this game (and I wouldn't be surprised to find some Perl or LISP hidden in some deep, dark corners), the potential for delightfully-subtle interactions makes me drool. You guys get to test some SERIOUSLY complex software! If I can come up with a variant on that exploit, I can hop on the test server and identify and bugreport it before the exploiters (who now have little to lose, and know EXACTLY what the exploit is, after all!) can come up with it first. --P
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.04.27 04:12:00 - [105] I demand a bodycount. Also Known As
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.04.27 04:12:00 - [106] I demand a bodycount. Also Known As
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.04.27 04:48:00 - [107] Originally by: Pilk Basically, the reason I want to know about exploits is fourfold: I may have seen someone using that exploit (especially when logs for it are inconclusive), which would help you catch the exploiters, or have seen a variant on it, which you may not have spotted in your logs. If all of a sudden I now have a warning on my account for doing something I didn't realize was an exploit (an alliancemate who accidentally bought from escrow when you could go negative by doing so comes to mind; he went negative and then immediately transferred isk over from an alt to cover it, but got the banhammer for a week or two anyway), I'd like to know about it, so I can contest it if necessary, or at the very least not attempt to do it again! As a former QA professional, I love to see how systems break. With the combination of (Stackless) Python, C, ASP, and SQL underlying this game (and I wouldn't be surprised to find some Perl or LISP hidden in some deep, dark corners), the potential for delightfully-subtle interactions makes me drool. You guys get to test some SERIOUSLY complex software! If I can come up with a variant on that exploit, I can hop on the test server and identify and bugreport it before the exploiters (who now have little to lose, and know EXACTLY what the exploit is, after all!) can come up with it first. --P Become part of the bug trackers, I have no doubt once they can protect their collective exausts, you will be let in the loop. If you have past experience, your exactly the type of person that should be helping find bugs, besides you might end up with a nice job ( past bug hunters, and ISDA (sp ) personal have been offered jobs ) :-)
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.04.27 04:48:00 - [108] Originally by: Pilk Basically, the reason I want to know about exploits is fourfold: I may have seen someone using that exploit (especially when logs for it are inconclusive), which would help you catch the exploiters, or have seen a variant on it, which you may not have spotted in your logs. If all of a sudden I now have a warning on my account for doing something I didn't realize was an exploit (an alliancemate who accidentally bought from escrow when you could go negative by doing so comes to mind; he went negative and then immediately transferred isk over from an alt to cover it, but got the banhammer for a week or two anyway), I'd like to know about it, so I can contest it if necessary, or at the very least not attempt to do it again! As a former QA professional, I love to see how systems break. With the combination of (Stackless) Python, C, ASP, and SQL underlying this game (and I wouldn't be surprised to find some Perl or LISP hidden in some deep, dark corners), the potential for delightfully-subtle interactions makes me drool. You guys get to test some SERIOUSLY complex software! If I can come up with a variant on that exploit, I can hop on the test server and identify and bugreport it before the exploiters (who now have little to lose, and know EXACTLY what the exploit is, after all!) can come up with it first. --P Become part of the bug trackers, I have no doubt once they can protect their collective exausts, you will be let in the loop. If you have past experience, your exactly the type of person that should be helping find bugs, besides you might end up with a nice job ( past bug hunters, and ISDA (sp ) personal have been offered jobs ) :-)
SwitchBl4d3 Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.27 08:01:00 - [109] AREA 51 of EVE, the locked toiletries cupboard of the dumbfounded chimpanzie with a paper clip. like gillete mach 3, add another blade and u have gillete mach 4, a revolutionary brakthrough. add a batterie and you have a mini vib, me scences wrangler broke the Offical CCP's act , and will be subjected to flying a reaper through an asteroid belt of bestowers all named mickey01, mickey02, mickey03, mickey04 Originally by: Stavros BUNGLE IN JUNGLE? J tHX OMG YEAH CHICKEN WINGS K? LOLLER SKATESWIHT LUBE K? MIUOINKEYT!!!
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.27 15:17:00 - [110] Originally by: WhitePhantom Originally by: Pilk Basically, the reason I want to know about exploits is fourfold: I may have seen someone using that exploit (especially when logs for it are inconclusive), which would help you catch the exploiters, or have seen a variant on it, which you may not have spotted in your logs. If all of a sudden I now have a warning on my account for doing something I didn't realize was an exploit (an alliancemate who accidentally bought from escrow when you could go negative by doing so comes to mind; he went negative and then immediately transferred isk over from an alt to cover it, but got the banhammer for a week or two anyway), I'd like to know about it, so I can contest it if necessary, or at the very least not attempt to do it again! As a former QA professional, I love to see how systems break. With the combination of (Stackless) Python, C, ASP, and SQL underlying this game (and I wouldn't be surprised to find some Perl or LISP hidden in some deep, dark corners), the potential for delightfully-subtle interactions makes me drool. You guys get to test some SERIOUSLY complex software! If I can come up with a variant on that exploit, I can hop on the test server and identify and bugreport it before the exploiters (who now have little to lose, and know EXACTLY what the exploit is, after all!) can come up with it first. --P Become part of the bug trackers, I have no doubt once they can protect their collective exausts, you will be let in the loop. If you have past experience, your exactly the type of person that should be helping find bugs, besides you might end up with a nice job ( past bug hunters, and ISDA (sp ) personal have been offered jobs ) :-) I submitted a BH application about a week after joining the game. Never heard back. :( --P
Umit Davala Corpus PCG	Posted - 2007.04.27 15:38:00 - [111] Originally by: SwitchBl4d3 AREA 51 of EVE, the locked toiletries cupboard of the dumbfounded chimpanzie with a paper clip. like gillete mach 3, add another blade and u have gillete mach 4, a revolutionary brakthrough. add a batterie and you have a mini vib, me scences wrangler broke the Offical CCP's act , and will be subjected to flying a reaper through an asteroid belt of bestowers all named mickey01, mickey02, mickey03, mickey04 QFT Oh wait....
Senbei Roshi Temporal Heuristic Concepts	Posted - 2007.04.27 16:13:00 - [112] Originally by: Pilk Basically, the reason I want to know about exploits is fourfold: I may have seen someone using that exploit (especially when logs for it are inconclusive), which would help you catch the exploiters, or have seen a variant on it, which you may not have spotted in your logs. If all of a sudden I now have a warning on my account for doing something I didn't realize was an exploit (an alliancemate who accidentally bought from escrow when you could go negative by doing so comes to mind; he went negative and then immediately transferred isk over from an alt to cover it, but got the banhammer for a week or two anyway), I'd like to know about it, so I can contest it if necessary, or at the very least not attempt to do it again! As a former QA professional, I love to see how systems break. With the combination of (Stackless) Python, C, ASP, and SQL underlying this game (and I wouldn't be surprised to find some Perl or LISP hidden in some deep, dark corners), the potential for delightfully-subtle interactions makes me drool. You guys get to test some SERIOUSLY complex software! If I can come up with a variant on that exploit, I can hop on the test server and identify and bugreport it before the exploiters (who now have little to lose, and know EXACTLY what the exploit is, after all!) can come up with it first. --P I have to agree with reasons 1, 2, and 4. I am not a former QA pro, so I can't agree with 3 per se... But anyways, I am the kind of person who loves to find bugs and exploits so I can report them. It really aggravates me when I find someone cheating in a game I thoroughly enjoy playing by the rules. I also like to know about them so I know whether or not it is something I accidentally did, like using 6 salvagers simultaneously on one wreck to reap massive salvage due to a loot table glitch or something... Anyways, glad it's fixed, whatever it was, and keep up the good work. Ignorance is Bliss And the Opposite is True Genius is Madness
Fafnir Drake Gallente Boob Heads Phoenix Supremacy	Posted - 2007.04.27 16:25:00 - [113] Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Originally by: CCP Wrangler Our policy is not to discuss exploits, but be assured that it was fixed and the exploiters has been dealt with by our friendly neighbourhood GMs. Thats what i like to hear hope they got what was comming to them.... Hutch, a question, how is your avatar's name pronounced? @.@ ------ "A wise man once told me never to argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level, and then beat you with experience."
Corwain Gallente Zero Team	Posted - 2007.04.27 16:37:00 - [114] Wow. First people complain about this game being too buggy, then when CCP fixes a bug the people don't even know about the people complain that they lost an extra hour or so ingame time and/or that CCP is cheating them. I have forgiven CCP for any past incidents and until proven guilty they are innocent again in my book. CCP: Thank you for doing your best to give me a fun and bug-free gaming experience. I am enjoying playing your game, and hope to have the RL money to have all 3 of my accounts active at once soon! Oh, and thank any devs that may have gotten woken up to do work on the servers. I especially appreciate the dedication of CCP employees that do stuff like that for us.
General Apocalypse Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.27 16:43:00 - [115] Edited by: General Apocalypse on 27/04/2007 16:41:18 Gratz for fixing the exploit but anoucing it and then saying it's a secret . That is the perfect way to get on the comunity nerves. We don't care if Jim Bob got 70 gazilions isk and SP or Mary Jane got 900 titans and blew up 50% of the stations in EVE . I'll tell you 1 thing to us veterans there's nothing that **es us off more then : Stealth Nerf & Boosts . But publicly anoucnig a secret fix it just .... silly . Even thou some of the EVE members are very young 13 years or so. I think that 98% of the EVE comunity will understand that. And don't forget this : Those who are willing to give up a little freedom to gain a little security will gain neither and lose both. Originally by:** Verone The day I go Anti-Pirate is the day satan shall be ice skating to work.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.27 16:50:00 - [116] Guys, the reason they don't tell you what the exploit was even after it is fixed is because after every patch people will keep trying the exploit to see if it is back again or not! And telling details would prompt the scum of eve who do exploit to try other ways to do it or let them know areas of the game mechanic that are potentially exploitable and they could dig another one up. Can't you all just understand that simple fact? As for who did it, I really don't care. CCP say they took care of them, thats good enough for me. I believe them. You think they are lying? If so you know where the cancle button is. We all don't need to hear your paranoid ramblings and susspicions. If they were covering something up to protect someone that works against our interest as the general player base do you think Wrangler would even mention that it was due to an exploit and not elaborate further, sparking your paranoia? No, he would just have said 'hardware failure' and babbled something technicall and generic. No go back to your tinfoil people. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.27 17:49:00 - [117] Originally by: Fafnir Drake Hutch, a question, how is your avatar's name pronounced? @.@ wi.ʦi.lo.ˈpoʧ.tɬi Originally by: Darius Shakor Guys, the reason they don't tell you what the exploit was even after it is fixed is because after every patch people will keep trying the exploit to see if it is back again or not! That's why there's a public-access test server. CCP can't stress the game the same way that a couple hundred players on the test server can, and can't come up with the same sorts of potential exploits that someone approaching the game from a black-box perspective can. I know I always try to make it a point to test out a couple of the past exploits (like accepting a contract/escrow for more than you have in your wallet, to name one public example). Haven't found a regression yet, though. --P
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.27 18:04:00 - [118] The EULA you agreed to covers unexpected downtimes, so lets take a break on complaining about the nickels worth of training time you wasted. Oh, and some wandering muppet on page two (I believe) stated he didn't go into 0.0 because it was proven it was rigged... ... well, all I can really say is you are a very confused person.
Namingway Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters	Posted - 2007.04.27 23:57:00 - [119] Originally by: Madman Murry Your policy sucks. We are not mushrooms, although you continue to treat us as such. Stop badgering CCP. You act like they're snakes.
Deus Ex'Machina Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.04.28 01:58:00 - [120] Untill now, no exploits were suggested by the players ... so to taunt the GM's, here's one possible reason for the downtime: All Salvage Drone Operation skill books were removed from the contracts, and from the players who learned the skill... Could this skill have had a possible negative side effect with other unintended modules of the game, other then salvage drones that aren't really in the game yet? snip - Image not appropriate for eve-o forums - hutch true amarr tank shields!
lol internets The Shaw ASGARDIAN EMPIRE	Posted - 2007.04.28 02:29:00 - [121] Originally by: Namingway Originally by: Madman Murry Your policy sucks. We are not mushrooms, although you continue to treat us as such. Stop badgering CCP. You act like they're snakes. Best possible reply ever.
WhitePhantom Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.04.28 05:51:00 - [122] Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina Untill now, no exploits were suggested by the players ... so to taunt the GM's, here's one possible reason for the downtime: All Salvage Drone Operation skill books were removed from the contracts, and from the players who learned the skill... Could this skill have had a possible negative side effect with other unintended modules of the game, other then salvage drones that aren't really in the game yet? I doubt the skill had anything to do with an exploit.
Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.28 11:53:00 - [123] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Our policy is not to discuss exploits, but be assured that it was fixed and the exploiters has been dealt with by our friendly neighbourhood GMs. ..and yet daily I see many ships log off after jumping into a gate even with a dictor sphere and disappearing almost instantly (certainly before it can be killed). So how about fixing some of the exploits the community actually knows about? - BOOST OUTLAWS (-10.0 and proud of it)
PanzerGrenadier Caldari Shang'rila	Posted - 2007.04.28 13:22:00 - [124] Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: Xtro 2 Sheer comedy, the Management tell us something bad happened, and that its now fixed, no reason to panic, and with this good news, some people with their sharp intelect and wit decide to rant at the GM's for something so trivial its unbelieveble. Just take good news for what it is.... good news! Yes, and the chocolate ration has been increased this week to 20g (even though it was 25g last week). Baseless claims, even from CCP, don't have meaning without something to back them up. Nice literary reference.
Namingway Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:22:00 - [125] Originally by: Pilk Originally by: WhitePhantom Originally by: Pilk Basically, the reason I want to know about exploits is fourfold: I may have seen someone using that exploit (especially when logs for it are inconclusive), which would help you catch the exploiters, or have seen a variant on it, which you may not have spotted in your logs. If all of a sudden I now have a warning on my account for doing something I didn't realize was an exploit (an alliancemate who accidentally bought from escrow when you could go negative by doing so comes to mind; he went negative and then immediately transferred isk over from an alt to cover it, but got the banhammer for a week or two anyway), I'd like to know about it, so I can contest it if necessary, or at the very least not attempt to do it again! As a former QA professional, I love to see how systems break. With the combination of (Stackless) Python, C, ASP, and SQL underlying this game (and I wouldn't be surprised to find some Perl or LISP hidden in some deep, dark corners), the potential for delightfully-subtle interactions makes me drool. You guys get to test some SERIOUSLY complex software! If I can come up with a variant on that exploit, I can hop on the test server and identify and bugreport it before the exploiters (who now have little to lose, and know EXACTLY what the exploit is, after all!) can come up with it first. --P Become part of the bug trackers, I have no doubt once they can protect their collective exausts, you will be let in the loop. If you have past experience, your exactly the type of person that should be helping find bugs, besides you might end up with a nice job ( past bug hunters, and ISDA (sp ) personal have been offered jobs ) :-) I submitted a BH application about a week after joining the game. Never heard back. :( --P Isn't there a 3 month waiting period before you can apply to ISD?
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.28 16:02:00 - [126] Originally by: Namingway Originally by: Pilk Originally by: WhitePhantom Originally by: Pilk Basically, the reason I want to know about exploits is fourfold: I may have seen someone using that exploit (especially when logs for it are inconclusive), which would help you catch the exploiters, or have seen a variant on it, which you may not have spotted in your logs. If all of a sudden I now have a warning on my account for doing something I didn't realize was an exploit (an alliancemate who accidentally bought from escrow when you could go negative by doing so comes to mind; he went negative and then immediately transferred isk over from an alt to cover it, but got the banhammer for a week or two anyway), I'd like to know about it, so I can contest it if necessary, or at the very least not attempt to do it again! As a former QA professional, I love to see how systems break. With the combination of (Stackless) Python, C, ASP, and SQL underlying this game (and I wouldn't be surprised to find some Perl or LISP hidden in some deep, dark corners), the potential for delightfully-subtle interactions makes me drool. You guys get to test some SERIOUSLY complex software! If I can come up with a variant on that exploit, I can hop on the test server and identify and bugreport it before the exploiters (who now have little to lose, and know EXACTLY what the exploit is, after all!) can come up with it first. --P Become part of the bug trackers, I have no doubt once they can protect their collective exausts, you will be let in the loop. If you have past experience, your exactly the type of person that should be helping find bugs, besides you might end up with a nice job ( past bug hunters, and ISDA (sp ) personal have been offered jobs ) :-) I submitted a BH application about a week after joining the game. Never heard back. :( --P Isn't there a 3 month waiting period before you can apply to ISD? Good question. No idea. Anyone? --P

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