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exiik Shardani
Imperial Spacedrill and Logistics
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:11:12 -
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when you nerf yield for excavator drones why do not you a little boost yield from rorq boosts to other mining ships?
sry for my English :-(
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Hlory Gole
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:11:50 -
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apollo429 wrote:We are investigating the option of increasing the visual size of nullsec ore asteroids to help improve the feel of the ore anom environments (they've been a bit sad looking since the veld got removed) but we are not sure about some technical details of that potential change atm so no promises.
DONT EVEN BOTHER WASTING YOUR TIME. This new Nerf to rorqual mining is being seen for what it really is. Rorquals are to op a mining ship in your eyes. It takes the place of 5 hulk toons. So now you Nerf it even more so people have to go back to mining in hulks again. This then boosts the amount of people subbed to the game thus increasing plex sales and increasing the number of people paying for eve.
You guys need to rethink the Nerf to yeld amount. You decrease the cycle time by 30% yet Nerf the yields by 50%... This is on top of the last 40-50% held next a month or 2 ago. You attempted to help with the cost of mining drone but in the end you messed that up as well but failed. So unless you are planning on releasing mining dreadnaught of sorts this is a bullshit nerf. And I say this as the mineral market falls. So if this is going to be the case then lower the requirements of the excavator drone.
I can't believe the CSM thought this was a good idea. Well, apparently people who care about mining are rare on CSM, if they ever exist. Players who do only PvP think ships just appear out of thin air and are dropped in Jita 4-4. |
Orakkus
Imperium Technologies DARKNESS.
324
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:13:09 -
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The Whine.. it is a good whine. A vintage whine that we will remember for years. The salty taste, the flowery aroma of dashed entitlement, the deep dark color of clearly missing the fact that the Rorqual and Excavator drones were OBVIOUSLY going to get nerfed.
Yes, tis a good vintage.. one I will savor for a long time.
He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander
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Loken Grimsward
Easy Co. Get Off My Lawn
8
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:13:19 -
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Nerfing the rorqual mining yield again?!? Do you have a brain cell in your skull at all, or are you just fucken lazy. The escavator drones are going up in price, something you guys only half heartedly tried to address in the last patch along with the previous mining yield nerf. Now your justification is mineral prices? How about opening more avenues for content rather then lazily nerfing something yet again. Something that I might add I and many other think might be fine where it is since the fucken drones are more expensive per unit then a ******* carrier. Maybe at least make the **** we need to build the drones spawn all over new eden so that one region and 1 group doesn't have a strangle hold on the pricing. Or maybe just leave **** as is and let us sort the market out. I mean you guys have done nothing about plex prices and inflation in general.
This is such a ham fisted retardedly lazy attempt at balancing something that I can't even articulate myself properly. **** sake look at my post this is reddit quality ****. Eat a bag of dicks
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The Economist
Logically Consistent
47
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:13:33 -
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Just horrible.
Desire to tweak panic; understandable. Solution; mentally challenged.
2nd excavator nerf, and at that scale....hilarious if you weren't serious. |
Or'es'ka
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:18:19 -
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welp, CCP, you did it. You ruined the rorq for actual miners. Cant justify the 8 bill in drones plus another 2.7 bil for the ship, not to mention another 2-3 bil for the fit..... This is almost a 50% reduction. You need to seriously adjust the required mats to build excavators because they arent worth the insane price anymore.
You had one job, no jump hictor that can be invul. instead, **** indy. now if you get jammed you just die faster. We are seeing rorqs fie at least a few a day. All you had to do was nerf its offensive capabilities, but instead you make it worthless. I'm disappointed Fozzie, you frequently talk about risk vs reward. With groups like inner hell who hunt rorqs, non stop and considering the rorqs role IS TO BE IN THE BELT, not like a super that sits docked until actual combat, the rorq must sit stationary and helpless, you somehow think this is a fair trade? Now all they have to do is bring a couple fast lock griffins and the rorq has no hope of activating PANIC to give a fleet time to form. Because I guarantee everyone will do this from now on.
SERIOUSLY CCP, WHY DO YOU HATE INDUSTRIALISTS? Just nerf PL and be done with it!
Nerd rage over! |
Lucian James
THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two
151
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:21:39 -
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I am completely neutral on this change.
My own guys mine materials awfully fast in Rorquals.. and reducing amount by 33% is not horrific.
Per some comments though, a reduced cycle time means more drone travel time means less amount mined per time. Perhaps this could be adjusted to be less painful. 33% is already a big step.
PANIC changes make sense. I was looking forward to using an FC tackling Rorqual... oh well... I'll just have to mine in it.
Cheers.
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Tribal Trogdor
Better Off Red Unspoken Alliance.
23
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:22:42 -
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I have a good solution. Decrease the amount of minerals in all ores by 75%. Then you don't have to nerf the rorq anymore!
But really, the whole infinite amounts of high end ores in a single sov system, regardless of its true sec is the problem. We need a more dynamic resource system to be in the right spot. Make people move around, spread out a little more, fight over systems that have more resources...something :D |
Or'es'ka
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:29:46 -
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Trajan Unknown wrote:Sophia Baccarin wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:- Initial activation of the PANIC module would require the Rorqual to have an active target lock on an asteroid.
Max locked targets = 0 when in PANIC. A much easier solution to all of the problems with this module. I am no rorq pilot at all but this simple change makes so much sense. Anyone has some logical reasoning against that?
when has ccp EVER been logical? |
Or'es'ka
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:30:45 -
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Lucian James wrote:I am completely neutral on this change.
My own guys mine materials awfully fast in Rorquals.. and reducing amount by 33% is not horrific.
Per some comments though, a reduced cycle time means more drone travel time means less amount mined per time. Perhaps this could be adjusted to be less painful. 33% is already a big step.
PANIC changes make sense. I was looking forward to using an FC tackling Rorqual... oh well... I'll just have to mine in it.
Cheers.
not 33%, max skills base is 215. its an almost 50% reduction |
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RicksterTech Amphal
Balkan Mafia Circle-Of-Two
0
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:33:16 -
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I'm Sorry but this is a joke the market is not crashing due to rorqs as enough of them get killed and i have seen no change in market prices so WHY CCP DO YOU KEEP PENALISING THE INDY PEOPLE.
I may as well not bother anymore you've take roughly 85% of the mining yield away from the drones why there was no need just take away thier jump-hictor ability and thats all that needs doing also from looking at the Indy Core it does not say it makes rors immune to ecm so now they won't be able to PANIC. |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
415
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:34:50 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Initial activation of the PANIC module would require the Rorqual to have an active target lock on an asteroid This is very counter-intuitive. Please make sure you explicitly document this peculiarity. IN BOLD PRINT. And I dont understand why you can not just automatically check if there are roids nearby upon module activation. Lazy programming? |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
415
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:41:54 -
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Or'es'ka wrote:its an almost 50% reduction On paper, it's 25% reduction. The real question is how they spread out the roids and what will be in-field real yield. |
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate
172
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:47:22 -
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Mining yield aside, which will be debatable but since its a nerf, we know the reaction
But was there no more elegant way of limiting capabilities while in PANIC than requiring asteroid lock? No concerns about when in travel or when a belt is cleared? |
Easthir Ravin
Easy Co. Get Off My Lawn
126
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:47:50 -
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Sophia Baccarin wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:- Initial activation of the PANIC module would require the Rorqual to have an active target lock on an asteroid.
Max locked targets = 0 when in PANIC. A much easier solution to all of the problems with this module.
I could Second this!
IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES: -á" I drank WHAT?!"
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Panther X
High Flyers Northern Coalition.
109
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:48:20 -
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The Slayer wrote:Tappits wrote:So you are removing the panic from rorquals then? Because you just wait till the anomaly is poped and then warp in tackle all the rorquals and kill them all super quick with no chance to panic.
Leave merc to last. Warp rorquals out. Mine merc with barges. Duh.
I hate to agree with a Gon, but this.
I still don't think that linking PANIC to an actively locked asteroid makes ANY sense whatsoever (cause mah Rorq Team Six hotdrops) but okay... and nerfing the yield AND changing the anomolies? COME ON FOZZY. You're killing me. It already takes most of forever for me to clear spud even with two rorqs in an anom, but moving rocks farther apart? Baby steps, man, baby steps.
You want me to stop mining? Increase the Security Class of some of our systems. Kill the broken True Sec of Delve, and move it to Vale :) I would rather hunt Officer capitals then mine anyday, but Vale is ****. And speaking of that, why are Dread Gurista Dreadnaughts dropping junk? Like Male Prostitutes and other random pieces of garbage. Fix that.
My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...
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Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
415
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:48:27 -
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Tribal Trogdor wrote:But really, the whole infinite amounts of high end ores in a single sov system, regardless of its true sec is the problem. We need a more dynamic resource system to be in the right spot. Make people move around, spread out a little more, fight over systems that have more resources...something :D I totally agree. Infinite ice was nerfed, but infinite ore is alright? Consistency, please. |
kcarr2
THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two
0
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:51:35 -
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Drone costs keep rising yet yield from initial purchase of the drone fall 75%? Come on, whats going to be done about this? No one would put up with buying a super or a titan and then having 75% of the DPS nerfed from it, so why should miners be singled out? There is nothing wrong with the mineral market. Now alliances have the ability, without massive botting rental empires to compete on the same scale as CCP's beloved PL, and here comes the CCP nerf bat (again). Total bunch of BS CCP. You're biased and you know it, there is no other explanation to this. |
oresome eyes
Ephesians Copying and Research
1
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:53:27 -
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Capri Sun KraftFoods wrote:Malkshurr wrote:At the beginning of Roqual dug as much as 4 hulks It was then nerf by 32% and now is the nerf by another 25%?
So one rorqual is 2 hulks now 2 hulks - 600 - 700 million 1 rorqual - 12 B
And you do not see the problem ? same tbh like I can buy a thrasher and it to 250 dps for 10m But I buy Proteus for 600m and it only do 550 dps???????? cpp plz fix
IF CCP makes this changes i would suggest everyone to file a petition to get your isk back since ccp did commit fraud when they published that rorquals WERE TO BE X5 times hulks. Everyone one of us that bought one on the through that the publish information would not changed is a bate and switch. Just because ccp cannot control the flow of minerals to the market, dose not mean you CCP should. THIS IS a player run market and YOU ccp keep your hands out of it. The next question i would have for the dev fossel it would seem like you have a vested interest in mineral prices is that why you are making the changes? Is this another t20 thing? |
Jura McBain
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:54:08 -
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Thanks for ruining my skill queu and waste my time to sit in a rorqual. YOu make more change more time we waste in learning the skill to use a rorq. I want refund of my sub because i wasted months (money) training something you are nerfing every day. Ans liek some apointed before.
2 hulks 600M 1 Rorq 12B.
Now ,what is the point of mining whit rorqs?
Answer: waste time for learning useless skills. |
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Panther X
High Flyers Northern Coalition.
109
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:54:52 -
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Also CCP, if you REALLY wanted to make people mine in Exhumers, you shouldn't have made them such a headache in the first place!
My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...
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Panther X
High Flyers Northern Coalition.
109
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:57:10 -
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Jura McBain wrote:Thanks for ruining my skill queu and waste my time to sit in a rorqual. YOu make more change more time we waste in learning the skill to use a rorq. I want refund of my sub because i wasted months (money) training something you are nerfing every day. Ans liek some apointed before.
2 hulks 600M 1 Rorq 12B.
Now ,what is the point of mining whit rorqs?
Answer: waste time for learning useless skills.
I would like a refund on the skill queues and books, especially the ice mining drones that are what 5b each????
Fozzy, return your Canadian Citizenship now.
My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...
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Otin Bison
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Circle-Of-Two
14
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:57:32 -
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I am a massive care-bear, Rorq pilot and industrialist. I support this change. It's fricken insane the amount of mining done by Rorqs and how the majority of serious miners have been putting their Exhumers into mothballs. |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
415
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:58:23 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:Mining yield aside, which will be debatable but since its a nerf, we know the reaction
But was there no more elegant way of limiting capabilities while in PANIC than requiring asteroid lock? No concerns about when in travel or when a belt is cleared? PANIC is a thing to compensate for static position when core is active. Which is not active when you travel. And let's be honest, Rorq is much more capable of defending itself than a FAX or even a Dread. As for the cleared belt - leave mercoxit and clear it up with barges. It can be managed right.
As for the yields, I dont think this is the final nerf. There will be more, many more of them until CCP realizes that the problem is in the belts themselves. Granted, they already going to spread them out "a little". But this is not enough. Ore should not be infinite. |
OtroWillis Chancel
The Soul Society Army of New Eden
2
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Posted - 2017.02.23 19:59:39 -
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handige harrie wrote:What about excavator drone costs?
This just reads as the biggest fuckup in introducing an overpowerd feature that can't be properly balanced since introducing Super capitals
Well the obvious solution here is just to change the blueprint of the excavators to require a whole bunch of non Mexallon Ore. Solves all the problems. |
Gaara's sniper
MLG1337420BlazeIt360TitanNoScopeCorporationSWAG Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2017.02.23 20:00:21 -
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So basically with the change to panic module. All you have to do to kill rorquals, is wait for all the belts to die and then tackle rorqs that are left behind and quickly kill them. Yeah maybe better just use penalty to using EW during panic? |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2668
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Posted - 2017.02.23 20:02:00 -
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Panther X wrote: You want me to stop mining? Increase the Security Class of some of our systems. Kill the broken True Sec of Delve, and move it to Vale :)
Broken truesec doesn't affect ore anomalies. We only get 10% yield anoms in -0.85 or better, same as you.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Taishoku Mayaki
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
7932
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Posted - 2017.02.23 20:05:34 -
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Should of got a super instead of a Rorq :/ still not paid off my drones, let alone the ship + modules.
"Right-O, lets get undocked and see what falls off the ship"
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Cade Windstalker
878
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Posted - 2017.02.23 20:07:26 -
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Panther X wrote:Jura McBain wrote:Thanks for ruining my skill queu and waste my time to sit in a rorqual. YOu make more change more time we waste in learning the skill to use a rorq. I want refund of my sub because i wasted months (money) training something you are nerfing every day. Ans liek some apointed before.
2 hulks 600M 1 Rorq 12B.
Now ,what is the point of mining whit rorqs?
Answer: waste time for learning useless skills. I would like a refund on the skill queues and books, especially the ice mining drones that are what 5b each????
Anything in the game is subject to change and rebalancing. If you're rushing towards something that seems too good to be true then you may want to stop and consider that it just might actually *be* too good to be true and is about to get whacked with the nerf bat.
Signs that something may be about to get nerfed:
- Everyone rushing towards it like blind lemmings.
- Tons of threads about how it's either massively OP or is fine and shouldn't be touched.
- Your personal analysis can't come up with a compelling reason not to use it.
- It's rendering obsolete, worthless, or of questionable value one or more play styles, ships, modules, or features.
The Rorqual hits 1 and 2 cleanly, clearly hit 3 for anyone who immediately rushed to train into a Rorqual, and hits 4 pretty solidly as well in that the actual boosting functionality on the Rorqual has been largely ignored by players, it's replacing boosted mining fleets with either single or groups of Rorquals, and the PANIC abuse specifically was invalidating a lot of tactics around Entosis. |
Zanthar Eos
Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2017.02.23 20:07:29 -
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First you ruin hics now my battle rorq! CCP just doesn't like pvp |
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