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MINESVSGANG
Titans of Doom Circle-Of-Two
2
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Posted - 2017.02.25 01:00:38 -
[421] - Quote
there will be 3. nerf of rorqual amount after this nerf. i guarantee it. |
Roger Hallay
Atlantis Kingdom Badfellas Inc.
16
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Posted - 2017.02.25 01:29:48 -
[422] - Quote
Not very bright ideas Fozzie.
Maybe evaluate the risk vs the profit for your customers rather then looking at overall eve(ccp)economy balance..
...or come up with better excuses. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2817
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Posted - 2017.02.25 01:32:20 -
[423] - Quote
Cade Windstalker wrote:Goborn wrote:According to my best knowledge the Rorq's mining yield has now been nerfed by 58% Your math is off. The paper yield got chopped by 25% once, then that remaining 75% got chopped by 25%, which leaves you with ~56.25% of the original post-changes level. paintballlawss Padecain wrote:The only people having no risk is the people in MEGA Coaltions but for us small indy folk this nerf is huge and I dont even give a crap about the PANIC change except for the fact I have to lock a rock when there are much better ways to go about it than that but we might as well go back to hulk mining because there is very little reward to having a rorq on field and too the argument of super ratting is far more risky... im sorry but you are completely wrong super and titan ratting is way less risky then rorq mining... you siege up a rorq in a belt with that cost 16 bil for 5 mins with no backup and tell me how much your butthole puckers for smaller alliances the rorqual mining will be dead because there is no backup for them and you can make more and be safer by hulk mining
Yes, and those people in massive coalitions make up the vast majority of Rorqual users and thus the majority of mineral influx that is causing market problems. A smaller group that only has 1-2 Rorquals and still uses Exhumers actually benefits from this change because now those boosted Exhumers are mining more compared to a Rorqual, and this will likely push some people out of Rorqual Mining, meaning that demand and price for the Excavators should drop and the mineral price should recover. On top of that this makes it more viable, relatively, to just boost with a Rorqual and mine with Hulks, since the hull itself is only ~3B and pays out ~2.2B with full insurance.
To get the good boosts you still have to be in Industrial Core mode. The only way to justify that risk is to be mining with the Rorqual as well. Otherwise, you will be boosting while aligned to your citadel or POS.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Grognard Commissar
Splinter Cell Operations inPanic
25
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Posted - 2017.02.25 01:37:09 -
[424] - Quote
Cade Windstalker wrote:Goborn wrote:According to my best knowledge the Rorq's mining yield has now been nerfed by 58% Your math is off. The paper yield got chopped by 25% once, then that remaining 75% got chopped by 25%, which leaves you with ~56.25% of the original post-changes level. paintballlawss Padecain wrote:The only people having no risk is the people in MEGA Coaltions but for us small indy folk this nerf is huge and I dont even give a crap about the PANIC change except for the fact I have to lock a rock when there are much better ways to go about it than that but we might as well go back to hulk mining because there is very little reward to having a rorq on field and too the argument of super ratting is far more risky... im sorry but you are completely wrong super and titan ratting is way less risky then rorq mining... you siege up a rorq in a belt with that cost 16 bil for 5 mins with no backup and tell me how much your butthole puckers for smaller alliances the rorqual mining will be dead because there is no backup for them and you can make more and be safer by hulk mining
Yes, and those people in massive coalitions make up the vast majority of Rorqual users and thus the majority of mineral influx that is causing market problems. A smaller group that only has 1-2 Rorquals and still uses Exhumers actually benefits from this change because now those boosted Exhumers are mining more compared to a Rorqual, and this will likely push some people out of Rorqual Mining, meaning that demand and price for the Excavators should drop and the mineral price should recover. On top of that this makes it more viable, relatively, to just boost with a Rorqual and mine with Hulks, since the hull itself is only ~3B and pays out ~2.2B with full insurance. this is also not considering drone travel time... which is becoming more significant, especially with the cycle time change |
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
341
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Posted - 2017.02.25 01:41:13 -
[425] - Quote
Time to boost and just mine with normal T2 mining drones |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2817
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Posted - 2017.02.25 01:41:35 -
[426] - Quote
Lexia Nova wrote:Balancing mining.... are you having a laugh? Why on earth do you need to spread out ores in sites even more? Its already difficult enough getting everyone close enough for boosting (as rocks die off). Not all of us have rorq's you know....
As someone who has mined with an Orca booster in Null Sec, this is a valid concern. Even with a Higgs anchor rig, I can easily get out of my exhumers range fairly quickly.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Archeos
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2017.02.25 02:10:26 -
[427] - Quote
Reducing the excavator drone yield by HALF is really too much taking into consideration the huge price on them. They will be only 2,5 times better then augmented mining drones at 30x TIMES THE PRICE. It has no sense whatsoever.
RETHINK what you are proposing. Nerfing the rorqual and carrier ratting at the same time ? Why do you want to enrage everyone living in nullsec ?
STOP THE NERFS. |
Raven Ship
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2017.02.25 02:56:38 -
[428] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: These changes revolve around the Rorqual and mining in general. We've been keeping a close eye on the mineral economy since Ascension and we feel that we need to make another fairly significant intervention in order to help keep this area of the EVE economy healthy.
Economy is not healthy, as you CCP did not listen to normal opinions like mine before introducing those changes, and why economy is not healthy? as those changes give huge advantage for few, over everyone. By few, those are goons and such, biggest entities who can supercap blob everything, as only those can use and use rorquals successfully. just look at zkill, where those rorquals die.
ONLY, reasonable solution to your mess ccp now, is to make industry core cycle 30sec, and lower max rorqual mining to level of two boosted hulks. Also mining drones need require less resources to build, as from perspective someone who got access to those resources, numbers are just sick. |
Damian Koskanaiken
Suddenly Frigates Army of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2017.02.25 03:29:18 -
[429] - Quote
These changes are awful. The risk/reward just became ridiculously unbalanced. Why should anyone use the rorqual when a basic fit that isn't garbage is 12b but only mines 2 hulks' worth at a time. I could mine with literally 40 fully fitted t2 hulks for that price and just decimate production of any hulk, and fleet warp and not have to worry about losing a 1.8b drone, let alone 5 of them. I'd have to lose 6 hulks at once to equate to the price of one drone. Why nerf rorquals and murder the risk/reward. Now they're practically useless. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
148
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Posted - 2017.02.25 03:42:45 -
[430] - Quote
Damian Koskanaiken wrote:These changes are awful. The risk/reward just became ridiculously unbalanced. Why should anyone use the rorqual when a basic fit that isn't garbage is 12b but only mines 2 hulks' worth at a time. I could mine with literally 40 fully fitted t2 hulks for that price and just decimate production of any hulk, and fleet warp and not have to worry about losing a 1.8b drone, let alone 5 of them. I'd have to lose 6 hulks at once to equate to the price of one drone. Why nerf rorquals and murder the risk/reward. Now they're practically useless. Amen. Send fozzie to the unemployment line! |
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Cade Windstalker
910
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Posted - 2017.02.25 04:16:53 -
[431] - Quote
Grognard Commissar wrote:this is also not considering drone travel time... which is becoming more significant, especially with the cycle time change
Yes, but that math was still bad, especially since travel time is harder to factor in.
Damian Koskanaiken wrote:These changes are awful. The risk/reward just became ridiculously unbalanced. Why should anyone use the rorqual when a basic fit that isn't garbage is 12b but only mines 2 hulks' worth at a time. I could mine with literally 40 fully fitted t2 hulks for that price and just decimate production of any hulk, and fleet warp and not have to worry about losing a 1.8b drone, let alone 5 of them. I'd have to lose 6 hulks at once to equate to the price of one drone. Why nerf rorquals and murder the risk/reward. Now they're practically useless.
This math is just... what? 2 Hulks?
This is a 25% nerf in yield, slightly more with increased time spent traveling due to cycle time reduction. Currently a Rorqual mines as much as 7 fully Rorqual boosted Hulks, or as much as 8.35 unsieged Rorqual boosted Hulks. Multiplying by the 25% nerf gives us:
- 7 * 0.75 = 5.25
- 8.35 * 0.75 = 6.26
Both of those are, to put it mildly, significantly more than 2.
Also if you put out 39 hulks and boosted with 1 Sieged Rorqual you could mine like you have 72 Hulks on grid, so there's that...
FT Diomedes wrote:To get the good boosts you still have to be in Industrial Core mode. The only way to justify that risk is to be mining with the Rorqual as well. Otherwise, you will be boosting while aligned to your citadel or POS.
I don't think the math supports this. A Rorqual after insurance *just boosting* costs about 1.6b. The Platinum Insurance costs 635m and pays out 2.12b on ship destruction. Having a boosting Rorqual on grid and deployed increases the yield of all of your Hulks by 30.5% over having a Rorqual on-grid and not-deployed, 32.5m3/s vs 27.2m3/s from mining lasers only.
That's a fairly significant increase in ore production. Also having a Rorqual on-grid gives you a fairly significant chance of getting your Hulks off, since they can spend more time moving and aligned before having to adjust due to the increased mining laser range, and because of the PANIC mode in the event of a rapid enough drop that the enemy manages to catch you.
In this case, even assuming you just straight up lose the Rorqual (which is by no means guaronteed to happen every time) you're still only out that ~1.6b (if you're costing the Rorqual by raw materials it's literally just the cost of the insurance that you lose, 2.1b is the cost of materials) and in exchange your Hulks are safer and you get to mine like there's 30% more of them on-grid compared to mining with an aligned Rorqual.
IMO that's riskier than an Orca or unsieged Rorqual, but it's still a fairly justifiable risk given the low cost of the Rorqual without drones compared to the Rorqual with drones, and the massively decreased likelihood of you getting dropped if you don't have 6-7b in drones floating around on field. |
Xphox Nielson
Nielson's Corporation Silent Infinity
0
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Posted - 2017.02.25 04:35:49 -
[432] - Quote
Can I seriously have all my SP back? I thought gee, finally I should get the ship. Spend all this time training into one. I mine the ore, build my ship, get 3/4 completed on new drones and before I can even use it, it's jacked twice?
WTH CCP? This is absurd. Complete BS. |
Bruno Diaz
Zero Atmosphere Hell's Pirates
0
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Posted - 2017.02.25 04:51:42 -
[433] - Quote
more nerfed for rorqual, that socks! the ship and fit cost is like 10b.... why I go to want used, if whit two hulk I'll take the same ore... if you low the base yield, upgrade the bonus in rigs, or skills, but less ore less interest to used the 10 B ship... |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
149
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Posted - 2017.02.25 04:58:46 -
[434] - Quote
We may need to vandalize a monument to get their attention guys. JK |
xXDtwelveXx
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2017.02.25 05:00:11 -
[435] - Quote
What we should do ...is i think we should let them play this game ...on rheyr own for like half a year or even forever since ex players are involved in the creation of this game nothing can go good nothing ....if this game becomes only to suck from ppl $$$ them **** them ...let them play it ...myself spent lost of $$ to get there and now they takeing it away ...real life buy ing a car and after 3 month the sellers come to you and takes his car back with out giveing ur money back!! good one ...ima gonna jut let them play .,, |
Bolshakov Alexei
Siberian Alpha Fleet SOLAR FLEET
2
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Posted - 2017.02.25 05:59:12 -
[436] - Quote
So much effort has been invested in the pumping equipment Rorqual, and now his nerf any longer! Burn in hell with their Nerf! |
apollo429
Colonial Industries Badfellas Inc.
2
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Posted - 2017.02.25 06:02:23 -
[437] - Quote
Gamble Aces wrote:Here's my tinfoil hat theory.
CCP gives zero fucks about the mineral market. CCP has lost a shitload of subs because people that previously had 10-12 accounts mining now have 1-3 accounts. Now they think by nerfing rorquals and buffing barges all these people will pay their subs again.
This!!! so much this!!!!! |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
149
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Posted - 2017.02.25 06:04:27 -
[438] - Quote
apollo429 wrote:Gamble Aces wrote:Here's my tinfoil hat theory.
CCP gives zero fucks about the mineral market. CCP has lost a shitload of subs because people that previously had 10-12 accounts mining now have 1-3 accounts. Now they think by nerfing rorquals and buffing barges all these people will pay their subs again. This!!! so much this!!!!! Yup and they need to stop. |
apollo429
Colonial Industries Badfellas Inc.
2
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Posted - 2017.02.25 06:06:21 -
[439] - Quote
The best way to react to this would be to starve eve of ore and minerals. If we could only get everyone to stop selling g their ore, pull their sell orders down and choke eve of minerals and watch the price of everything rise up. Let set the mineral market ourselfs. I would love to see trit hit 10isk a unit and see how CCP reacts |
Bolshakov Alexei
Siberian Alpha Fleet SOLAR FLEET
2
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Posted - 2017.02.25 06:19:11 -
[440] - Quote
2 Hulk for 14kkk ... Make time at least the core cycle 1 minute! And Increase agility.
"CCP gives zero fucks about the mineral market. CCP has lost a shitload of subs because people that previously had 10-12 accounts mining now have 1-3 accounts. Now they think by nerfing rorquals and buffing barges all these people will pay their subs again."
It's true, no one more excessive greed to no good arguments.
GREED
P.S. Fozzy should be fired!!! |
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
149
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Posted - 2017.02.25 06:23:40 -
[441] - Quote
Bolshakov Alexei wrote:2 Hulk for 14kkk ... Make time at least the core cycle 1 minute! And Increase agility.
"CCP gives zero fucks about the mineral market. CCP has lost a shitload of subs because people that previously had 10-12 accounts mining now have 1-3 accounts. Now they think by nerfing rorquals and buffing barges all these people will pay their subs again."
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GREED
P.S. Fozzy should be fired!!! ^^this |
Rafau Maco
Minion Revolution Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2017.02.25 06:40:14 -
[442] - Quote
#Make Rorquals Great Again |
Mistress Renegade
Acme Aerospace
0
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Posted - 2017.02.25 06:40:18 -
[443] - Quote
To solve the problems stated by CCP over the PANIC mode on Rorq's, why not just get rid of it all together. This solves the problem of invulnerable tackle, entosos or combat cyno etc. To compensate for this make the industrial core not anchor the ship in place. This way a Rorq mining can align and warp out if needed. The Rorq is a capital class ship so it still has a strong tank which can fend of small gangs which it currently can with out the PANIC mode. |
Oddsodz
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
188
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Posted - 2017.02.25 07:20:17 -
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To my Non Miner mind. It is very easy to address many of the issues of the Rorqual.
1# Ban Entosis just like interceptors
2# Leave the PvE Isk making numbers alone. Nobody is bitching about the amount of ISK Per Hour apart from CCP. The ship is supposed to be a big rock muncher that also serves to protect his mining buddies. LET IT BE A BIG ******* ISK Printing ship. This is it's REWARD for fielding such a thing. The ore market will adjust just as it always has. If the market crashes. Well it will lead to interesting things to study and new interesting ideas for the cost of wars that are waged.
3# Cut it's local active tank by 50%. It's does not need to be at the level of a FAX for PVE. At best it should be at the level of a T2 fit marauder at the most. NOT FAX LEVEL.
4# The real tank of a Rorqual should be it's bat phone friends and the use of P.A.N.I.C for itself and its mining buddies. If you don't have the friends to defend a Rorqual, Don't field it. Right now. If I am out hunting, and I see a Rorqual on d-scan. I just look at it and say nope. No point in looking at it is as I need 50 dudes just to scare it's active tank. Let alone worry about the use of P.A.N.I.C.
5# The case of P.A.N.I.C along with Cyno use. To me it is easy, But will mean DEV time to introduce. Make it so that if you activate the Cyno module. You instantly drop out of P.A.N.I.C mode. Also you would not be able to enter P.A.N.I.C if you have a Cyno module active. (Yes I am fully aware that this would mean other ships would have to use a Cyno module to bring in a response fleet, Just like most fleets move about anyway. That is nothing new or anything that needs addressing).
#6 Command Buff range could do with some love.
Full disclosure. I do not MINE. I am a shoot guns PVP only type of player. I have no plans at this time to train the skills to fly the Rorqual or to overnight become a Miner. |
Decebalus Rex
Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa
0
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Posted - 2017.02.25 09:52:14 -
[445] - Quote
For those who say no one cares about mineral prices, there are thousands of miners in high sec who were screwed by your rorquals. There are people mining in ventures, and not a few of them. I started playing about 14 months ago, mining in a venture, trained barge and then exhumers, got 2 more accounts, cause it's stupid to have just one exhumer and an orca, managed to finish the boosting skills few months ago. Just in time. When rorqual buffs were announce, it felt like a joke, 1 rorqual mining as much as 12 exhumers, I actually knew it would come to this. People in rorqs in the bottoms of null sec, no one bothering them, making billions every day. And the price of minerals down the drain. All the miners in hisec were affected by rorq buffs, I used to mine about a belt a day, it wasn't much isk, now, the last 2 months, i think i've mined about 5 belts alltogether. The little isk I used to make was cut in half. By your rorquals! Check the price history on veldspar, scordite, plagio or minerals. It's half of what it was 4 months ago. I can't even sell my omber, no one is buying it. You're talking about killing the game? I've read every post in here and all I see are a bunch of whiners who got their cookie taken away. What rorq buffs did was making rich people richer and poor people poorer. Cause a lot of people start eve with mining. I'm pretty sure most of you did the same. How about those thousands of people, don't they matter at all? You want refunds on isk you spent to train and buy the ships? How about I get refunds on half a year training for exhumers, drones and orca boosts? Or even better, how about you all refund all those billions of isk you made in your iceblock rorquals? Everywhere in null sec and even wh, where I go, rorquals everywhere. Sure, they're no worth being used. Why are there thousands of them out there? If my math is correct, only Jita sold 20k excavator drones the last 4 months. How many ships does that make? I didn't test the ship, but I'm pretty sure the 2 hulks comparison is bullshit. It was mining as much as 12 exhumers when it came out, drones got nerfed 33%, and now 25% more, not even close to 2 hulks. Say it will mine as much as 2 hulks. That means you're mining as much as 2 and a half hulks now and you're fine with it? Give me a break. You made billions every day for 4 months, have other billions in stashed minerals and ruined the economy on top of that, and now you're complaining? Get the hell out of here, you punks! Take a venture and go mine for days, see how that's like. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
151
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Posted - 2017.02.25 10:02:17 -
[446] - Quote
Decebalus Rex wrote:For those who say no one cares about mineral prices, there are thousands of miners in high sec who were screwed by your rorquals. There are people mining in ventures, and not a few of them. I started playing about 14 months ago, mining in a venture, trained barge and then exhumers, got 2 more accounts, cause it's stupid to have just one exhumer and an orca, managed to finish the boosting skills few months ago. Just in time. When rorqual buffs were announce, it felt like a joke, 1 rorqual mining as much as 12 exhumers, I actually knew it would come to this. People in rorqs in the bottoms of null sec, no one bothering them, making billions every day. And the price of minerals down the drain. All the miners in hisec were affected by rorq buffs, I used to mine about a belt a day, it wasn't much isk, now, the last 2 months, i think i've mined about 5 belts alltogether. The little isk I used to make was cut in half. By your rorquals! Check the price history on veldspar, scordite, plagio or minerals. It's half of what it was 4 months ago. I can't even sell my omber, no one is buying it. You're talking about killing the game? I've read every post in here and all I see are a bunch of whiners who got their cookie taken away. What rorq buffs did was making rich people richer and poor people poorer. Cause a lot of people start eve with mining. I'm pretty sure most of you did the same. How about those thousands of people, don't they matter at all? You want refunds on isk you spent to train and buy the ships? How about I get refunds on half a year training for exhumers, drones and orca boosts? Or even better, how about you all refund all those billions of isk you made in your iceblock rorquals? Everywhere in null sec and even wh, where I go, rorquals everywhere. Sure, they're no worth being used. Why are there thousands of them out there? If my math is correct, only Jita sold 20k excavator drones the last 4 months. How many ships does that make? I didn't test the ship, but I'm pretty sure the 2 hulks comparison is bullshit. It was mining as much as 12 exhumers when it came out, drones got nerfed 33%, and now 25% more, not even close to 2 hulks. Say it will mine as much as 2 hulks. That means you're mining as much as 2 and a half hulks now and you're fine with it? Give me a break. You made billions every day for 4 months, have other billions in stashed minerals and ruined the economy on top of that, and now you're complaining? Get the hell out of here, you punks! Take a venture and go mine for days, see how that's like. I started by doing missions. I didn't mine until about a year after starting eve. Just saying |
Mr Bignose
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
3
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Posted - 2017.02.25 10:38:50 -
[447] - Quote
BTW, no one uses P.A.N.I.C. to protect subcaps, in my alliance at least. if cheeky scrubs try and bomb our covetors and hulks we prelock and capital shield rep them. this works very nicely. For a large incoming fleet they need to leave.
Back to the cost/performance of the drones. I'm sure it's been suggested already that a lower performance T2 variant would solve some of the problems with both yield and market demand. The capital outlay for a fully fitted rorq is 10Bn or so. This is a significant barrier to entry. Say there were T2 excavator variants that mined the same as the proposed nerf for actual 'excavator' drones for a few hundred million? I think most people would take that in much the same way as few people bother with 'augmented' drones for ratting. The cost of losing them is simply too high. |
Lexia Nova
GeneSia-IRC Axiom Vocation Alliance
10
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Posted - 2017.02.25 10:52:57 -
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Decebalus Rex wrote:For those who say no one cares about mineral prices, there are thousands of miners in high sec who were screwed by your rorquals. There are people mining in ventures, and not a few of them. I started playing about 14 months ago, mining in a venture, trained barge and then exhumers, got 2 more accounts, cause it's stupid to have just one exhumer and an orca, managed to finish the boosting skills few months ago. Just in time. When rorqual buffs were announce, it felt like a joke, 1 rorqual mining as much as 12 exhumers, I actually knew it would come to this. People in rorqs in the bottoms of null sec, no one bothering them, making billions every day. And the price of minerals down the drain. All the miners in hisec were affected by rorq buffs, I used to mine about a belt a day, it wasn't much isk, now, the last 2 months, i think i've mined about 5 belts alltogether. The little isk I used to make was cut in half. By your rorquals! Check the price history on veldspar, scordite, plagio or minerals. It's half of what it was 4 months ago. I can't even sell my omber, no one is buying it. You're talking about killing the game? I've read every post in here and all I see are a bunch of whiners who got their cookie taken away. What rorq buffs did was making rich people richer and poor people poorer. Cause a lot of people start eve with mining. I'm pretty sure most of you did the same. How about those thousands of people, don't they matter at all? You want refunds on isk you spent to train and buy the ships? How about I get refunds on half a year training for exhumers, drones and orca boosts? Or even better, how about you all refund all those billions of isk you made in your iceblock rorquals? Everywhere in null sec and even wh, where I go, rorquals everywhere. Sure, they're no worth being used. Why are there thousands of them out there? If my math is correct, only Jita sold 20k excavator drones the last 4 months. How many ships does that make? I didn't test the ship, but I'm pretty sure the 2 hulks comparison is bullshit. It was mining as much as 12 exhumers when it came out, drones got nerfed 33%, and now 25% more, not even close to 2 hulks. Say it will mine as much as 2 hulks. That means you're mining as much as 2 and a half hulks now and you're fine with it? Give me a break. You made billions every day for 4 months, have other billions in stashed minerals and ruined the economy on top of that, and now you're complaining? Get the hell out of here, you punks! Take a venture and go mine for days, see how that's like.
You're not meant to be in highsec forever. Or if that is a personal choice that you have made to stay in highsec then you must have also made the same choice to not venture into nullsec and reap better rewards. I'm all for making things more fun and better in highsec but you cant moan that your safer space gives less income. (With incursions this isnt even entierly true but I digress) |
Karmastat
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.02.25 11:32:02 -
[449] - Quote
My two cents: I see the PANIC module as a hard counter to Hot Drops from Covert Op Hot drops. But if u make the requirement to have an active target lock on anything -- wont that just mean the attackers will use an attack that breaks all target locks first?
This would just make the fleets as vulnerable as before?
since killmails can list the closest celestial to a kill, why not just check if an asteroid belt is closest celestial? |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
151
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Posted - 2017.02.25 11:35:44 -
[450] - Quote
Karmastat wrote:My two cents: I see the PANIC module as a hard counter to Hot Drops from Covert Op Hot drops. But if u make the requirement to have an active target lock on anything -- wont that just mean the attackers will use an attack that breaks all target locks first?
This would just make the fleets as vulnerable as before?
since killmails can list the closest celestial to a kill, why not just check if an asteroid belt is closest celestial? That makes too much sense. |
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