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sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 320	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:17:18 - [421] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: sero Hita wrote: That you don't think that killing the gatecamps to send a signal is important, so they are not back 5 mins later is not my problem. Its not my problem either if you fail to hold the gate 5mins later. What is this "send a signal" bullshit? What koolaid are you drinking? I don't care if it is your problem. This is why we need cynos. period. There is my argument. It is perfectly valid, and you don't need to tell how I could it differently. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 616	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:18:11 - [422] - Quote calm down miners
Salvos Rhoska 2510	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:18:46 - [423] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: this is what happens when carebears get stupid ideas about pvp mechanics No, this is what happens when entitled pricks get so full of their own crap, they cant tell what is what anymore. Wtf are you even doing in LS, relying on cynos and caps? Are you afraid to fight without them, even in LS? Frankly its pathetic to try and justify cynos/caps in 817 LS systems, when there are 3400+ NS systems to use them in without restrictions. Wtf are you even doing in LS? Gtfo to NS. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4042	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:24:39 - [424] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: this is what happens when carebears get stupid ideas about pvp mechanics No, this is what happens when entitled pricks get so full of their own crap, they cant tell what is what anymore. Wtf are you even doing in LS, relying on cynos and caps? Frankly its pathetic to try and justify cynos/caps in 817 LS systems, when there are 3400+ NS systems to use them in without restrictions. Wtf are you even doing in LS? Gtfo to NS. calm down miner im in lowsec enjoyin my game camping gates and dropping on retards like you Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 320	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:25:38 - [425] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: this is what happens when carebears get stupid ideas about pvp mechanics No, this is what happens when entitled pricks get so full of their own crap, they cant tell what is what anymore. Wtf are you even doing in LS, relying on cynos and caps? Frankly its pathetic to try and justify cynos/caps in 817 LS systems, when there are 3400+ NS systems to use them in without restrictions. Wtf are you even doing in LS? Gtfo to NS. you don't get to decide that though. the game is made so we can have Caps in low, stop shaming people who are clever enough to use the tools available. It is allowed so makes no sense you call us out for using caps tbh. Why the anger, salvos? "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Salvos Rhoska 2510	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:33:12 - [426] - Quote sero Hita wrote: [Protecting the highsec entrances for our alliance logistics is relevant. Killing them unexpectedly with a cyno so they have a big loss, and fear every ship will be a cyno will make them move to another gate. Scaring them off with a big fleet, keeps them away when they see a big fleet. When the fleet dock they are there again. And you are ****** at the timezones where you don-¦t have fleet big enough to scare them off. Jesus christ, man. Wtf are you on about? You dont need cynos or caps for that. Just secure the gate with subcaps and camp it yourself. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2510	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:35:16 - [427] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: this is what happens when carebears get stupid ideas about pvp mechanics No, this is what happens when entitled pricks get so full of their own crap, they cant tell what is what anymore. Wtf are you even doing in LS, relying on cynos and caps? Frankly its pathetic to try and justify cynos/caps in 817 LS systems, when there are 3400+ NS systems to use them in without restrictions. Wtf are you even doing in LS? Gtfo to NS. calm down miner im in lowsec enjoyin my game camping gates and dropping on retards like you Im not a miner. Weak post, shill. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 321	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:36:14 - [428] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: sero Hita wrote: [Protecting the highsec entrances for our alliance logistics is relevant. Killing them unexpectedly with a cyno so they have a big loss, and fear every ship will be a cyno will make them move to another gate. Scaring them off with a big fleet, keeps them away when they see a big fleet. When the fleet dock they are there again. And you are ****** at the timezones where you don-¦t have fleet big enough to scare them off. Jesus christ, man. Wtf are you on about? You dont need cynos or caps for that. Just secure the gate with subcaps and camp it yourself. What I am on about is covered in the quote. you not understanding it not my problem "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 618	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:41:32 - [429] - Quote calm down pvpers
Salvos Rhoska 2511	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:44:07 - [430] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: this is what happens when carebears get stupid ideas about pvp mechanics No, this is what happens when entitled pricks get so full of their own crap, they cant tell what is what anymore. Wtf are you even doing in LS, relying on cynos and caps? Frankly its pathetic to try and justify cynos/caps in 817 LS systems, when there are 3400+ NS systems to use them in without restrictions. Wtf are you even doing in LS? Gtfo to NS. you don't get to decide that though. the game is made so we can have Caps in low, stop shaming people who are clever enough to use the tools available. It is allowed so makes no sense you call us out for using caps tbh. Why the anger, salvos? "Stop shaming" What? Do you think this is Tumblr? Your arguments and positions are shameful. If you want cyno/caps play, fk off to NS where ir belongs and you get punched back in unrestricted space. LS doesnt need caps/cynos, nor are they justified there. If you want to defeat an LS gatecamp, engage it with subcaps. If they run off, the path is clear. The rest of your nonsense makes no sense. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent

sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 321	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:46:52 - [431] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: The rest of your nonsense makes no sense. because you don't understand the mechanics and strategies of lowsec alliances. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4043	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:51:09 - [432] - Quote salvos, cynos and caps are allowed in lowsec, telling us to fck off to nullsec every 10minutes isnt going work just makes you sound like a spoiled little child, you sound like a total entitled prick yourself. if you have such an issue with us being in lowsec, guess what, bring a fleet down and "chase us away" Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Salvos Rhoska 2513	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:02:21 - [433] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: The rest of your nonsense makes no sense. because you don't understand the mechanics and strategies of lowsec alliances. Oh, I do understand. Do you understand that in a no cyno/cap mechanic, you simply have to hold the gate with subcaps till material is transported? LS doesnt need cynos/caps for anything. If you want cynos/caps, go to NS. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska 2513	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:04:05 - [434] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: cynos and caps are allowed in lowsec, Protip: Check the topic of the thread. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 321	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:08:31 - [435] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: sero Hita wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: The rest of your nonsense makes no sense. because you don't understand the mechanics and strategies of lowsec alliances. Oh, I do understand. Do you understand that in a no cyno/cap mechanic, you simply have to hold the gate with subcaps till material is transported? LS doesnt need cynos/caps for anything. If you want cynos/caps, go to NS where they are actually justified by content and unrestricted engagement. But you can also do it by killing the gatecamp with a cyno, which is more pirate like. How about we agree upon some artistic freedom to do what we want? "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4046	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:09:30 - [436] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: cynos and caps are allowed in lowsec, Protip: Check the topic of the thread. i have and people from lowsec and nullsec have given reasons why cynos and caps are in lowsec, dont bother asking for these reasons again because you are not goldfish and dont need to be told the same thing over and over again Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 3239	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:11:16 - [437] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: cynos and caps are allowed in lowsec, Protip: Check the topic of the thread. I checked it. It does not mean CCP should implement stupid changes like your idea.
Salvos Rhoska 2513	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:14:29 - [438] - Quote sero Hita wrote: But you can also do it by killing the gatecamp with a cyno, which is more pirate like. How about we agree upon some artistic freedom to do what we want? Cyno drop of caps is pirate like? In LS? First it was "sending a signal". Now its "artistic freedom". What is this bullshit? If you want cyno/cap action, go to the 3400+ NS systems. LS can work just fine with subcaps and without cyno. If you w,ant to clear the gate, bring a fleet and clear it. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4046	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:16:59 - [439] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: sero Hita wrote: But you can also do it by killing the gatecamp with a cyno, which is more pirate like. How about we agree upon some artistic freedom to do what we want? Cyno drop of caps is pirate like? In LS? First it was "sending a signal". Now its "artistic freedom". What is this bullshit? If you want cyno/cap action, go to the 3400+ NS systems. LS can work just fine with subcaps and without cyno. If you w,ant to clear the gate, bring a fleet and clear it. good luck burning 33 jumps in subcaps from tama to rancer to chase pirates to ping off the gate, such engaging gameplay Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Salvos Rhoska 2513	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:17:10 - [440] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: cynos and caps are allowed in lowsec, Protip: Check the topic of the thread. I checked it. It does not mean CCP should implement stupid changes like your idea. Wrong alt, sis. It does mean this is a thread for discussing LS CHANGE. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent

Salvos Rhoska 2513	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:19:17 - [441] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: good luck burning 33 jumps in subcaps from tama to rancer to chase pirates to ping off the gate, such engaging gameplay Then dont be 33 jumps away. PS:Those pirates are also playing the same game. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 321	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:20:57 - [442] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Cyno drop of caps is pirate like? In LS? First it was "sending a signal". Now its "artistic freedom". What is this bullshit? If you want cyno/cap action, go to the 3400+ NS systems. LS can work just fine with subcaps and without cyno. If you w,ant to clear the gate, bring a fleet and clear it. I bring a fleet, and transport it in by cyno. Because they will flee otherwise. Not so hard to understand "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Salvos Rhoska 2513	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:24:05 - [443] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Because they will flee otherwise. So? PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Vokan Narkar New Eden Traders Aliance 5	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:29:00 - [444] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: but i really shouldnt complain about you buffing gatecamping. It doesnt buff gatecamps. Just removes jumping over them in LS. it does because all i simply need to do is put scouts in each surrounding system around where i am camping, i dont need to worry about someone dropping blops, or capitals, i can see any hostile fleet coming into my system and i can just warp off the gate. currently all someone needs to do is have a nuetral cyno jump in system and gg gatecamp gets rekt'd by a ton of blops and nobody has any time to respond because its over in the blink of an eye thats a buff to gatecamps I think it was you who said I can use cyno inhibitor. So what will you do then if GC will have cyno inhib? Cyno off-grid and warp to them right? Most GCs are maintained by the large corps in LS such as Lowsechnaya, or FW-corps and they do not fear you will drop them because they can escalate far more than you can - they have everything prepared for it. It seems to me like all this is about is that you want to be able to destroy GCs of some random noob corps with easy. Which is hell simple with a t3 who can pass their gc, cloak, wait till they engage someone who comes and light a cyno. Btw cyno-inhib seems to be unavailable, either there is no demand (I had demand) or the demand is too high and the production is too low. Create it on my own is a no go, noo high PI prereqs for corp that doesn't specialize in industry. Also the price makes it inefficient - its cheaper to lose 2 cruisers in the drop than to pay for somehing that lasts 1 hour only, is visible on d-scan and has low area of effect with a limitation it can be anchored 75km off gate which means that all you need to do is to move 25km off gate in right direction to light a cyno. Useless piece of crap.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 321	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:29:33 - [445] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: sero Hita wrote: Because they will flee otherwise. So? Look up the answer I gave you earlier. Sometimes you want to hunt down the gatecamp. period. That you think scaring it off has just as much value is your perogative, but I would rather smash their fleet using a cyno, showing strength and tactical superiority. You don't agree fine. But the truth is your solution, does not lead to them having to take the fight and mine does. Hence that is enough reason for me to have cynos in lowsec. But repeat it again, how I should go to nullsec instead, perhaps it will work this time. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4046	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:43:46 - [446] - Quote Vokan Narkar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: but i really shouldnt complain about you buffing gatecamping. It doesnt buff gatecamps. Just removes jumping over them in LS. it does because all i simply need to do is put scouts in each surrounding system around where i am camping, i dont need to worry about someone dropping blops, or capitals, i can see any hostile fleet coming into my system and i can just warp off the gate. currently all someone needs to do is have a nuetral cyno jump in system and gg gatecamp gets rekt'd by a ton of blops and nobody has any time to respond because its over in the blink of an eye thats a buff to gatecamps I think it was you who said I can use cyno inhibitor. So what will you do then if GC will have cyno inhib? Cyno off-grid and warp to them right? Most GCs are maintained by the large corps in LS such as Lowsechnaya, or FW-corps and they do not fear you will drop them because they can escalate far more than you can - they have everything prepared for it. It seems to me like all this is about is that you want to be able to destroy GCs of some random noob corps with easy. Which is hell simple with a t3 who can pass their gc, cloak, wait till they engage someone who comes and light a cyno. Btw cyno-inhib seems to be unavailable, either there is no demand (I had demand) or the demand is too high and the production is too low. Create it on my own is a no go, noo high PI prereqs for corp that doesn't specialize in industry. Also the price makes it inefficient - its cheaper to lose 2 cruisers in the drop than to pay for somehing that lasts 1 hour only, is visible on d-scan and has low area of effect with a limitation it can be anchored 75km off gate which means that all you need to do is to move 25km off gate in right direction to light a cyno. Useless piece of crap. are you actually being serious? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Helene Fidard CTRL-Q 48	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:43:57 - [447] - Quote The only way to revitalize lowsec is obviously to remove local from null. Hey! I don't know about you but I'm joining CTRL-Q
Beta Maoye 151	Posted - 2017.03.21 00:16:06 - [448] - Quote Various security spaces exist for reasons.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 47319	Posted - 2017.03.21 01:25:37 - [449] - Quote Vokan Narkar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: but i really shouldnt complain about you buffing gatecamping. It doesnt buff gatecamps. Just removes jumping over them in LS. it does because all i simply need to do is put scouts in each surrounding system around where i am camping, i dont need to worry about someone dropping blops, or capitals, i can see any hostile fleet coming into my system and i can just warp off the gate. currently all someone needs to do is have a nuetral cyno jump in system and gg gatecamp gets rekt'd by a ton of blops and nobody has any time to respond because its over in the blink of an eye thats a buff to gatecamps I think it was you who said I can use cyno inhibitor. So what will you do then if GC will have cyno inhib? Cyno off-grid and warp to them right? Most GCs are maintained by the large corps in LS such as Lowsechnaya, or FW-corps and they do not fear you will drop them because they can escalate far more than you can - they have everything prepared for it. It seems to me like all this is about is that you want to be able to destroy GCs of some random noob corps with easy. Which is hell simple with a t3 who can pass their gc, cloak, wait till they engage someone who comes and light a cyno. Btw cyno-inhib seems to be unavailable, either there is no demand (I had demand) or the demand is too high and the production is too low. Create it on my own is a no go, noo high PI prereqs for corp that doesn't specialize in industry. Also the price makes it inefficient - its cheaper to lose 2 cruisers in the drop than to pay for somehing that lasts 1 hour only, is visible on d-scan and has low area of effect with a limitation it can be anchored 75km off gate which means that all you need to do is to move 25km off gate in right direction to light a cyno. Useless piece of crap. Mate. Look at what Alliance Lan is in and check her killboard. You couldn't be further from the truth if you tried.
Cade Windstalker 1140	Posted - 2017.03.21 02:35:18 - [450] - Quote Vokan Narkar wrote: I think it was you who said I can use cyno inhibitor. So what will you do then if GC will have cyno inhib? Cyno off-grid and warp to them right? Most GCs are maintained by the large corps in LS such as Lowsechnaya, or FW-corps and they do not fear you will drop them because they can escalate far more than you can - they have everything prepared for it. It seems to me like all this is about is that you want to be able to destroy GCs of some random noob corps with easy. Which is hell simple with a t3 who can pass their gc, cloak, wait till they engage someone who comes and light a cyno. Btw cyno-inhib seems to be unavailable, either there is no demand (I had demand) or the demand is too high and the production is too low. Create it on my own is a no go, noo high PI prereqs for corp that doesn't specialize in industry. Also the price makes it inefficient - its cheaper to lose 2 cruisers in the drop than to pay for somehing that lasts 1 hour only, is visible on d-scan and has low area of effect with a limitation it can be anchored 75km off gate which means that all you need to do is to move 25km off gate in right direction to light a cyno. Useless piece of crap. Oh man this is a load of bad info. First off, the idea that most GCs in Low are maintained by massive entities that can out-escalate a null group dropping BLOPs is ridiculous. There are tons of small groups in low who gate camp at least occasionally, and most of the larger entities in Low are tiny and can drop, at best, a relatively small number of caps compared to a Null entity with more dreads in a standard drop-Cache than that Low entity can drop. They also don't have the bank to just shrug off a massive cap welp the same way a Null group can. That's not to say that a cap welp is gonna break the bank, but it's not nothing either. Also, FYI, Mobile Cyno inhibs aren't unavailable, they're just expensive and not that useful most of the time. If, for some reason, you feel the need to burn 63m you can buy them in Jita for a semi-reasonable price, Amarr for an unreasonable one, and a smattering of other systems for anywhere between reasonable and highway robbery. Also "just burning away from the gate" is laughable. First off, gate models are pretty big, second you pop in 10-15km off the thing in a random direction so you can actually end up having to burn about 40km to get out of the cyno inhib. By that point you're either dead or everyone's warped off, same for if you cyno in from off grid. Anyone who doesn't notice the local spike is either hilariously drunk or has no business leading a fleet. Also, those same big groups you're griping about, would probably be more than happy to see cynos restricted, because as Lan quite rightly pointed out they can avoid anything they can't take, or since they're the locals, they can undock their capitals, warp them to grid, and "begin dealing out merry hell on a democratic basis" to every non-blue on grid. The idea that anyone could view cynos being restricted in Low as a nerf to GCs is just... wat? Completely academic though, because CCP would need an amazingly compelling reason to even consider a change like that, and "why not?" isn't it.



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