This is a troll right? I mean, c'mon, he's been unironically telling people to HTFU while simultaneously whining about the "unjust" cynos in low sec and "unfair" mechanics on a forum alt for over 5 pages now.

I don't know about everyone, but I do.

Get rid of it. All you need is lawful space and lawless space. No need for some in between space that makes no one happy.

Mr Epeen

I've always thought that it's sort of backwards that Low Sec is less dangerous than Null Sec.

Using the Age of Sail as a blueprint, I see High Sec as the old big empires of Europe where the markets were. Null Sec is the New World or India where the exotic resources were harvested, but under fairly strong local control by semi-freelance corporations (like the East India company which had it's own military/mercenary arm).
Low Sec is that long, dangerous space in between the two.

Thus, it should be Low Sec which is truly lawless, has warp bubbles, etc. Not claimable- anyone there is a 'pirate' by default. Soldiers on opposing sides use that space to interdict their enemy's goods and pirates try to interdict it all. The real difference between piracy and legitimate warfare just a little fuzzy.

If more resources were being harvested in Low Sec, and transported thru Low Sec (as opposed to jump bridging right past it), then it would matter much more to the whole game. Make FW ownership of space matter more to the free flow of goods and it becomes part of everyone's interests to keep it stable. Null Sec, as well as the NPC empires.

Well his forum alt got dropped some time ago and it cost him a cynabal and the crystal pod so maybe he is just salty...

Pfft..

There are 3400+ NS systems for cynos/caps. (Both NPC and Player)
The narrow 800 system LS buffer between HS and NS would be better served as a non-cyno sub-cap sector.

Pfft..

There are 3400+ NS systems for cynos/caps. (Both NPC and Player)
The narrow 800 system LS buffer between HS and NS would be better served as a non-cyno sub-cap sector.

what does the amount of systems have to do with it? if anything traveling around 800 hostile systems is reason enough to allow capitals and cynos

if anything traveling around 800 hostile systems is reason enough to allow capitals and cynos

That would have the effect of building a cyno proof trench.

But there is plenty of NS space from which to stage those.

There are 3400+ NS systems for cynos/caps. (Both NPC and Player)
The narrow 800 system LS buffer between HS and NS would be better served as a non-cyno sub-cap sector.

Explain.
Do you feel you would be unable to survive in LS without cynos/caps?

You keep using these numbers as if it were relevant. They are not.

They aren't relevant because the moment you limit access of ships though any space you start to develop corridors and chokepoints. Those areas would allow larger alliances to control access into vast areas of null-sec. Smaller alliances would not have the ability to expand into those areas and large tracts of null-sec would go unused because people simply cannot get to them and operate in them effectively. On that point alone, your idea of removing capitals and cyno access through low-sec would be highly detrimental to the game.

It doesn't matter if null-sec had a billion systems and low-sec had five. The moment you implement your idea there would be major, but short, battles over the chokepoints and access to the games content for large swaths of players would be removed, without any legitimate way to get back into there effectively. It would result in the worst "N+1" dynamic ever in the game.

LS players want a non-cyno, sub-cap zone to PvP in and intercept NS/HS material transport in.

this is the thing, you have 800 systems that you keep harping on about, i dont find spending 3 hours every fleet traveling by gates in armour battleships for a 30minute fight engaging gameplay, and i doubt a majority of lowsec residents would either.

eliminate small entities from lowsec who survive in remote lowsec systems away from large pirate corps by crippling freighter logistics and forcing loaded freighters to take gates through pirate infested chokepoints...because you know the large pirate corps will hellcamp every chokepoint to gank freighters with immunity, because i certainly will.

i would survive but id be burned out after 3 days because traveling by gates in anything bigger than a cruiser is worse than mining, i could also unsub like all my alts i pay irl money for and gate camp tama 24/7 with immunity.

Got stats or anything to support that opinion of yours?

Got stats or anything to support that opinion of yours?

1) LS is 800 systems, stretched all the way around HS.
At its deepest, its like 10 gatejumps wide.

2) As long as its sub-caps and non-cynos, both HS and NS can break through gatecamps from either end.
Freighters can arrange escort and/or fly safer. There are no bubbles in LS, so really its not that hard.

3) People travel through gates in slower ships than cruisers all the time. BCs, BS.
If you dont like it, fly something faster.

so just remove battleships from lowsec too then and make people fly interceptors, thats your solution?

The insane volume of material transport between HS and NS, passing/cynoing through LS with impunity (under a cap umbrella), is support enough.

Or do you really think LS doesnt want to pirate the hell out of that enormous bounty?

Your idea would definitely present more targets to lowsec gatecampers. But does that really help lowsec residents overall? Does it draw more people to lowsec? I'm not so sure.

With their life style being reliant on those same JF, I doubt they all want them to be interdictable at every gate camp.

Wat?

Mr. Meat-puppet.
Please.
I understand you are afraid, but this is unreasonable shilling.

so is "use something faster" as an answer to traveling in 800 lowsec systemst

Wtf are you doing traveling through 800 LS systems?
Is this some roleplay thing?

LS is like 10ish gates deep at its deepest point.

1) HS-NS material transport has no option than to travel through LS, unless they use WHs.
They MUST pass through LS.

2) Will it draw more people to LS? HELL YES.

3) Pirates/alt corps galore to get a piece of the cake.
NS entities galore to escort their shipments.
Mercs galore to offer their services.

4) LS PI/PvE Corps may suffer attrition, but tbh, nobody will bother them much, as the HS-NS transitioning ships are FAR more lucrative.

are you fcking ********?