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Richard TheLordOfDance
Operation Fishbowl Inc.
18
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Posted - 2017.03.18 03:43:38 -
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I like all the changes, and understand from a gamedesign point of view why this is happening, except how the PLEX vault would work. So I would like to make some suggestions on how to improve it and fix the main problem.
The only real problem with the Vault is that it makes PLEXes a virtual item accessible from anywhere, which goes against the whole philosophy of EVE.
To change this I would make the Vault a physical place and PLEXes a physical item. You would still be able to exchange them for game time or use them to shop in the New Eden Store from anywhere in the universe but you would only be able to sell them where they are being stored. If you would like them somewhere else, for selling or any other reason, you would still have to physically move them to that location.
Regarding where PLEXes bought from CCP would appear I would make players choose a main Vault the first time they buy PLEX where it will spawn in from then on, you should be able to change this location though to match the current system of redeeming. Moving this location should not move the PLEXes being kept there though only where new ones would appear when buying from CCP. (you could also make it toggleable option so you can choose where they appear for every time you buy them)
Since new players not understanding that they can loose PLEXes when they go out flying with them, put up some big red letters telling them the risks when choosing your primary vault and when you try to take them out of the Vault. (of course you should be able to choose if the warning should appear every time) |
Ronnie Rose
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2017.03.18 03:49:08 -
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Richard TheLordOfDance wrote:I like all the changes, and understand from a gamedesign point of view why this is happening, except how the PLEX vault would work. So I would like to make some suggestions on how to improve it and fix the main problem.
The only real problem with the Vault is that it makes PLEXes a virtual item accessible from anywhere, which goes against the whole philosophy of EVE.
To change this I would make the Vault a physical place and PLEXes a physical item. You would still be able to exchange them for game time or use them to shop in the New Eden Store from anywhere in the universe but you would only be able to sell them where they are being stored. If you would like them somewhere else, for selling or any other reason, you would still have to physically move them to that location.
Regarding where PLEXes bought from CCP would appear I would make players choose a main Vault the first time they buy PLEX where it will spawn in from then on, you should be able to change this location though to match the current system of redeeming. Moving this location should not move the PLEXes being kept there though only where new ones would appear when buying from CCP. (you could also make it toggleable option so you can choose where they appear for every time you buy them)
Since new players not understanding that they can loose PLEXes when they go out flying with them, put up some big red letters telling them the risks when choosing your primary vault and when you try to take them out of the Vault. (of course you should be able to choose if the warning should appear every time)
Those are terrible ideas for PLEX
We're not here to change the game, we're here to change YOUR game
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Olleybear
Armed And Angry
232
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Posted - 2017.03.18 04:03:33 -
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Orca Platypus wrote: Hello mr. CSM market manipulating NDA profiteering alt. **** you. GTFO.
P.S. Don't listen to him, market has been manipulated by CSM, for each billion you spend on market PLEX, 200 million go to CSM mortgage RMT fund.
Greetings! It would seem we(1) have triggered a friendly pod pilot into protestations of profanity about our claim that other pod pilots are smart enough to see the writing on the wall as it were and that it is the community who have taken it upon themselves to buy PLEX to stave off asset forfeiture via the new aurum to plex model.
Perhaps you could enlighten us(2) with a preponderance of evidence that the CSM is profiteering on this latest change to our wondrous Eveonline community? We are sure there is ample appetite for such revelations from this community of pod pilots and that if such evidence was brought forth, Jita protests would surely ensue for a prolonged period of time.
We await your cordial response with bated breathe and much joviality.
Fine Print: (1)We denotes the royal we. My alternate personality is a queen. When I take my meds she quiets down. Personally, I dont like that. As the old saying goes, two heads are better than one. (2)Denotes that the multiple personality disorder continues in this post as the effeminate side of me giggles like an eleven year old school girl while typing out this missive.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
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Teddy J Rogers
Society of Mechanics Engineers and Gearheads
2
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Posted - 2017.03.18 04:32:04 -
[424] - Quote
#1. Place the plex vault in the wallet.
#2. Set the granularity of 1 plex to the minimum amount of redeemable time. (currently 30 days)
#3. If a smaller unit is needed to replace aurum, call it milliplex or centiplex based on the conversion factor. Allow the vault (within the wallet) freely convert milliplex to plex and vice versa. Or allow the purchase and usage of fractional amounts of plex. (1 : 500 = mediocentiplex) ((I'd consider NOT using 1:500))
#4. To preserve value, convert current holdings of aurum immediately into game time. The conversion is close to 120 aurum per game day. This is at most 8 game days added to the current subscription. This is hardly onerous on CCP's part. |
Cearain
Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing
1509
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Posted - 2017.03.18 04:50:29 -
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Olleybear wrote:
Perhaps you could enlighten us(2) with a preponderance of evidence that the CSM is profiteering on this latest change to our wondrous Eveonline community?
Aryth:
"What happens when you put the long term planner on the CSM and seeing the long term plans. Good things for us that's what."
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3406
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Posted - 2017.03.18 04:55:49 -
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Richard TheLordOfDance wrote:I like all the changes, and understand from a gamedesign point of view why this is happening, except how the PLEX vault would work. So I would like to make some suggestions on how to improve it and fix the main problem.
The only real problem with the Vault is that it makes PLEXes a virtual item accessible from anywhere, which goes against the whole philosophy of EVE.
To change this I would make the Vault a physical place and PLEXes a physical item. You would still be able to exchange them for game time or use them to shop in the New Eden Store from anywhere in the universe but you would only be able to sell them where they are being stored. If you would like them somewhere else, for selling or any other reason, you would still have to physically move them to that location.
Regarding where PLEXes bought from CCP would appear I would make players choose a main Vault the first time they buy PLEX where it will spawn in from then on, you should be able to change this location though to match the current system of redeeming. Moving this location should not move the PLEXes being kept there though only where new ones would appear when buying from CCP. (you could also make it toggleable option so you can choose where they appear for every time you buy them)
Since new players not understanding that they can loose PLEXes when they go out flying with them, put up some big red letters telling them the risks when choosing your primary vault and when you try to take them out of the Vault. (of course you should be able to choose if the warning should appear every time) This is the right answer.
Signatures should be used responsibly...
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Sharcy
Shibari Mure
1
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Posted - 2017.03.18 08:19:21 -
[427] - Quote
Jagged Palleon wrote:The problem is that CCP seems to be playing the short term route atm to rake in money. You *do* know how long this game has been running, don't you?
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Sharcy
Shibari Mure
1
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Posted - 2017.03.18 08:23:32 -
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Vulvona Ride-in wrote:My bet: montly plexing fees will explode ISK-wise! Maybe, but ATM only the wealthiest players can afford to trade in PLEX. With smaller units, more ppl can do so, so you'll have more volume with more competition. This should drive the price down rather than up.
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
76
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Posted - 2017.03.18 09:56:47 -
[429] - Quote
Richard TheLordOfDance wrote:I like all the changes, and understand from a gamedesign point of view why this is happening, except how the PLEX vault would work. So I would like to make some suggestions on how to improve it and fix the main problem.
The only real problem with the Vault is that it makes PLEXes a virtual item accessible from anywhere, which goes against the whole philosophy of EVE.
To change this I would make the Vault a physical place and PLEXes a physical item. You would still be able to exchange them for game time or use them to shop in the New Eden Store from anywhere in the universe but you would only be able to sell them where they are being stored. If you would like them somewhere else, for selling or any other reason, you would still have to physically move them to that location.
Regarding where PLEXes bought from CCP would appear I would make players choose a main Vault the first time they buy PLEX where it will spawn in from then on, you should be able to change this location though to match the current system of redeeming. Moving this location should not move the PLEXes being kept there though only where new ones would appear when buying from CCP. (you could also make it toggleable option so you can choose where they appear for every time you buy them)
Since new players not understanding that they can loose PLEXes when they go out flying with them, put up some big red letters telling them the risks when choosing your primary vault and when you try to take them out of the Vault. (of course you should be able to choose if the warning should appear every time)
Do we just found a RTM? Cause only a RTM would complain that he can't make deals anymore cause of this changes ; )
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Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
149
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Posted - 2017.03.18 10:17:59 -
[430] - Quote
Naye Nathaniel wrote:Do we just found a RTM? Cause only a RTM would complain that he can't make deals anymore cause of this changes ; )
Remembering all those salty "looking for a new sponsor for my ****** pvp videos, add me on X for details" after casinoids got rekt... Yeah, totally not RMT. |
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Laura Andelare
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2017.03.18 11:15:50 -
[431] - Quote
The idea is great. The new PLEX teleport is a game design issue that is entirely up to CCP so I don't mind either way.
What I don't like is the super overcomplicated way of doing this. While I was not playing, the single most iconic item in EVE for me as an outsider was the PLEX. With this change it ceases to be a Pilot License Extension, and it essentially becomes AUR just with a different denomination.
I think the equivalent of this entire change could be done a lot simpler by selling game time in the NES for AUR and making AUR tradeable, instead of the current plans.
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voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
484
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Posted - 2017.03.18 11:31:31 -
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Gogela wrote:Ptraci wrote:So these old accounts I have with 5500 AUR each I was given as part of the promos held post "summer of rage".... That's a good question. My accounts haven't ever lapsed, and you have a lot more than me in your idle alts. You must have gotten extra for something somewhere along the line...
5500 was the amount that you got if you started before the Summer of Rage and stayed subbed over that period. I had 5500 on both my accounts until very recently as there wasn't really anything in the NES that I wanted to buy. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
29433
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Posted - 2017.03.18 11:53:41 -
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Laura Andelare wrote:The idea is great. The new PLEX teleport is a game design issue that is entirely up to CCP so I don't mind either way.
What I don't like is the super overcomplicated way of doing this. While I was not playing, the single most iconic item in EVE for me as an outsider was the PLEX. With this change it ceases to be a Pilot License Extension, and it essentially becomes AUR just with a different denomination.
I think the equivalent of this entire change could be done a lot simpler by selling game time in the NES for AUR and making AUR tradeable, instead of the current plans.
They wanted to keep PLEX because of its image in the playerbase. Its truly an AUR with an option to exchange to a game time with this change. They may call it PLEX and preload your account with some PLEX charges even, when you start playing in future.
But as AUR has always something wrong about it, its literally gold as in every other MMORPG fantasy game, they want to get rid of this name to keep the guise of originality.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Tystoo
Space Cake Inc.
0
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Posted - 2017.03.18 11:53:50 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Kyttn wrote:"Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000? A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX."
Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here 7 aurum will become 1 plex. so 1050 aurum is 150 plex. They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000
You mean they are stealing form the people that have less than a 1000 aurum.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
29435
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Posted - 2017.03.18 12:06:46 -
[435] - Quote
In all this, I like one thing. Every new player will essentialy start with a CONCORD License extension card. He would only need to buy some PLEX charges and spend them to extend license to the available options.
It will be like a second job to make ISK to spend it on license extensions. Well it had been for some for years.
Alternatively you can be on welfare (alpha).
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1320
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Posted - 2017.03.18 12:34:55 -
[436] - Quote
Sharcy wrote:Vulvona Ride-in wrote:My bet: montly plexing fees will explode ISK-wise! Maybe, but ATM only the wealthiest players can afford to trade in PLEX. With smaller units, more ppl can do so, so you'll have more volume with more competition. This should drive the price down rather than up. No it won't. Those trading in smaller amounts still want to make a profit - Look at the prices of different size Aur lots on the market. My guess, the price of variable amounts of Plex will follow the same trend.
1 = 500 plex = 1.1 bil .5 = 250 plex = 600 mil .25 = 125 plex =325 mil Smaller lots will cost more than a months subscription of 500 plex.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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WhiteOrm
Outer Space Random Corp
0
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Posted - 2017.03.18 13:29:24 -
[437] - Quote
With these new changes you should also change its icon. Make it look like a batch of white powder or smth. At least it will help some players to understand why 1 PLEX is NOT ENOUGH |
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CCP Falcon
13645
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Posted - 2017.03.18 14:01:17 -
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Hey guys,
Just a quick update!
Thanks for all the feedback so far - it's clear that there's been some pretty active and somewhat vigorous discussion of the proposed changes.
Team Size Matters and the community team are running through this thread, looking over the feedback (both positive and negative) as well as the suggestions that all you guys are putting forward.
We'll be taking a look at it, discussing it internally early after the weekend, and will be looking at how best to incorporate relevant feedback into the changes that are coming.
Thanks again for all the feed back, and remember - Let's keep it civil here and within the realms of the forum rules
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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Lorelei Ierendi
Lorelei for C S M
300
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Posted - 2017.03.18 14:23:32 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys,
Gevlon says "Hi"... it's like he can't forget you, man!
CCP Falcon wrote:Thanks again for all the feed back, and remember - Let's keep it civil here and within the realms of the forum rules
All the Tinfoil CSM theories and leak theories make me smile... as if the CSM was that relevant... (says a Candidate).
http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/
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Olleybear
Armed And Angry
232
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Posted - 2017.03.18 16:06:38 -
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Cearain wrote:Olleybear wrote:
Perhaps you could enlighten us(2) with a preponderance of evidence that the CSM is profiteering on this latest change to our wondrous Eveonline community?
Aryth: "What happens when you put the long term planner on the CSM and seeing the long term plans. Good things for us that's what." BTW for those who don't know Aryth is a member of csm. Salutations! It would seem you are implying that a CSM member by the name of Aryth is currently manipulating the market for PLEX based on two sentences that member apparently uttered. This hardly constitutes proof of a conspiracy over the price of PLEX via market manipulation. Indeed, the above sentence you quoted could mean just about anything.
We(1) do have a few questions as we dont follow the price fluctuations of PLEX on a regular basis: Did the price fluctuations of plex happen a week or even a day before the official CCP annoucement? Did the price fluctuations happen shortly after the official CCP announcement? If price fluctuations happened before the announcement, has PLEX ever fluctuated in price before today? Is there any hard evidence of conspiracy to manipulate the price of PLEX, based on insider knowledge, other than your quote of two sentences?
We all know that CCP has long term plans. Plans that dont always bare fruit. There are more than a few long term plans that have been completely dropped by CCP as resource allocation is switched around to work on other projects. One such prime example of a long term plan getting dropped is walking in stations.
As of right now, there appears to only be a market adjusting to what some movers and shakers in game think will happen to the future price of PLEX. If based on our feedback in this thread, CCP decides to change all aurum into PLEX, and not just aurum above 1000 units, it can be inferred from their own statements that PLEX will drop considerably in price thus leaving those who bought PLEX at a higher price in a bit of a pickle so to speak.
Fine print: (1)Denotes the more masculine of the Royal We as today we are exercising our kingly personality to objectively consider the evidence brought forth.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
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Capqu
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1302
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Posted - 2017.03.18 16:10:56 -
[441] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, Just a quick update! Thanks for all the feedback so far - it's clear that there's been some pretty active and somewhat vigorous discussion of the proposed changes. Team Size Matters and the community team are running through this thread, looking over the feedback (both positive and negative) as well as the suggestions that all you guys are putting forward. We'll be taking a look at it, discussing it internally early after the weekend, and will be looking at how best to incorporate relevant feedback into the changes that are coming. Thanks again for all the feed back, and remember - Let's keep it civil here and within the realms of the forum rules
:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
631
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Posted - 2017.03.18 17:00:32 -
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Just my two cents: I like the combination of Aur en Plex. Never saw any use for separate currencies I do not like the vault idea. EvE is a tough game. Losing PLEX is part of that and should stay at is is. There are better ways to warn new players to not fill up the cargohold with PLEX Not converting the less than 1000 AUR is a very bad idea. CCP will make lots of people very angry because they will not see it any other way from it being blatantly stealing from the players. I suggest the |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
200
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Posted - 2017.03.18 17:56:23 -
[443] - Quote
Nana Skalski wrote:It will start from above 2M and will fast be nearing 3 M when all Alphas will grab a few. I would grab a few and I am Omega.
And its actually a great thing to not give CCP money as it looks now. I have not bought a piece of Aurum ever. This change would never had a chance to affect me in any meaningfull way. Not risking any unused aurum to be liquidated, and not a few coins thrown out at CCP they keep without giving anything in return. Its like they would steal yo money, but not really, just pocket change. What do you do about that? I keep the change, thanks. For you all, its a lesson for future. Maybe dont give CCP money? CCP will teach you a lesson. To not give them money. No you wont. Theyre gonna cost 1b ea still for a long time until everyone finds out its the newest scam. The mini plex themselves will end up around 10m-20m likely meaning it will cost 5b-10b a month to play. The little guy can't plex anymore. |
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
149
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Posted - 2017.03.18 18:25:42 -
[444] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, Just a quick update! Thanks for all the feedback so far - it's clear that there's been some pretty active and somewhat vigorous discussion of the proposed changes. Team Size Matters and the community team are running through this thread, looking over the feedback (both positive and negative) as well as the suggestions that all you guys are putting forward. We'll be taking a look at it, discussing it internally early after the weekend, and will be looking at how best to incorporate relevant feedback into the changes that are coming. Thanks again for all the feed back, and remember - Let's keep it civil here and within the realms of the forum rules
Of all people this is commented by no other than CCP FullCon.
Now that is not reassuring at all. |
Hirisho Presolana
The Lone Wolfs
12
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Posted - 2017.03.18 18:52:02 -
[445] - Quote
since the most commented thing is the <1000 aur strip..
why don't you use this: >1000 = Microplex conversion <1000 = isk conversion
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Suicide Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2017.03.18 19:16:17 -
[446] - Quote
Stuff like this really pisses me off. All it does is screw people who didn't use all their Aurum, which is hard to do because CCP have made the NEX Store and Aurum Bundles in ways to try and keep people from ever being able to use it all. And of course we can't transfer our Arum between accounts so we can give one account ALL of the Aurub we have, no we'll just delete it all.
And what about Aurum Tokens? They are available in sub 1000 amounts, those are just gonna be dumped too? |
Guma Kumamato
KANARCI
0
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Posted - 2017.03.18 19:33:42 -
[447] - Quote
Hirisho Presolana wrote:
why don't you use this: >1000 = Microplex conversion <1000 = isk conversion
Clever suggestion, I would take that even further and exchanged all AUR to NuPLEX amount equivalent lowered by portion of average gift ratio AUR in circulation and remainder gave in ISK for all players. |
marly cortez
Mercurialis Inc. The Bastion
180
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Posted - 2017.03.18 19:53:39 -
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beakerax wrote:1000 seems easier to understand than 500GǪ
Dunno, I never in my life mistook the number '1' for anything other than '1'.
As to this Plex issue, having never had the need for plex since multi boxing got kicked into touch, the whole thing seems to put it politely, a non-issue.
However, the darker picture here is this advertisement, seems the selling reptiles have slithered in by the back door to me battering your face with products no one would ever consider buying in the first place always missing the real point here, that if it really was any good people would already know all about it and would not require this intrusive prompting.
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Arthure Pentedragoon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.03.18 20:29:51 -
[449] - Quote
Glad to hear the changes not include the "time decaying" PLEX. Rumors had CCP considering PLEX change where after 30 days or so PLEX would go from today's full value PLEX into a lump tagged as worth 999/1000 (or 499/500 I guess) of these new milli-PLEX and then decay further at accelerated rates.
That would ensure that PLEX were used ASAP and did not remain on market just as hard currency. But it would really suck for people who went offline with unused PLEX or alliances big enough that they could lose track of where all their PLEX were stashed and how old those PLEX were.
I guess if CCP ever did that a purchase or use by time-date stamp on the PLEX would help if you looked at an individual PLEX. But I want to get so rich in game that examining each PLEX I owned became tedious and consumed hours of game time. |
Arthure Pentedragoon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.03.18 21:01:01 -
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marly cortez wrote:beakerax wrote:1000 seems easier to understand than 500GǪ Dunno, I never in my life mistook the number '1' for anything other than '1'. As to this Plex issue, having never had the need for plex since multi boxing got kicked into touch, the whole thing seems to put it politely, a non-issue. However, the darker picture here is this advertisement, seems the selling reptiles have slithered in by the back door to me battering your face with products no one would ever consider buying in the first place always missing the real point here, that if it really was any good people would already know all about it and would not require this intrusive prompting.
He just wants discussion friendly currency. Instead of talking purchasing 500 PLEX for same rate as 1 PLEX today -- he wants to keep purchasing a PLEX and talk breaking it into 1000 milli-PLEX. Or following EU suggested currency deci-PLEX (1/10th PLEX), centi-PLEX (1/100th) and milli-PLEX.
I favor the plan that keeps EVE doors open to play. CCP has to pay bills to do that.
TBH the CCP plan makes a LOT more sense at least from a marketing standpoint. I can almost guarantee that CCP will NOT continue selling NewPLEX in 500 lot units such that users can compare to old PLEX prices without thinking. CCP may need to ease players into new game time costs to pay CCPs own bills.
Old PLEX is 720 hours of game play for 14.95 without any discounts or specials.The RL CCP base price (not volume discounted) price of PLEX would equate to 0.03 USD per NewPLEX.
But I expect CCP to sell in all sorts of lot sizes (100, 250, 333, 750, 1000, 5000, etc) both for user flexibility and to simply erase the old cost of game time from user minds.
The simplest round off of NewPLEX to game time is 1 hour game time. It could also go to 2 hours if CCP wants to gamble that skins and other EVE Store stuff will skyrocket. I suspect that game is too big. TBH that sort of gambling favors the more straightforward milli-PLEX.
So I suspect OMEGA game time costs will be raised behind a NewPLEX change smoke screen. But the results will still favor most players if you can buy time a few NewPLEX at a time. Turn on alts full skill for few hours at a time.etc Decide to pay for time to train up skills versus buying injectors etc. |
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