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CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 7620	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:10:58 - [1] - Quote Changes are coming to PLEX, Aurum and the New Eden Store! Our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 PLEX from CCP will instead require 500 PLEX. Check out the blog for further info on this exciting change: PLEX Changes On The Way! Please note, these changes donGÇÖt have a set release date yet but will be coming to EVE Online this spring or early summer. CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer

lanyaie Nocturnal Romance The Initiative. 1213	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:26:25 - [2] - Quote Well these might have some serious implications..... No more RIP plex tanked people? It isn't the 1st of April yet, right? Spaceprincess
Zetadelta333 High Flyers Northern Coalition. 6	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:29:59 - [3] - Quote Im sorry but what? Since when has plex been cumbersom? And since everything will cost 500 plex which = 1 current plex what the **** is the point? You can still only change 500 to 1 month, this seems like a beyond pointless change to add a ingame advertisement above our ship hanger. All you needed to do was allow aur to be sent like isk to different characters.
Tom Gerard KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1403	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:32:23 - [4] - Quote I like the idea but it needs to require an "Interplexor" Rig on Citadels to use. Now with 100% less Troll.
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2705	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:32:54 - [5] - Quote Huh, interesting. Unifying PLEX and AUR is a very, very smart decision. Reducing bad complexity is always good. I'll be a little sad to see the "PLEX-tanked" killmails go away, but I understand completely that making it easier for new players to handle PLEX is necessary. I don't have metrics on how many folks quit playing after suffering a PLEX transport loss, but I bet y'all do. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
mkint 1599	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:34:33 - [6] - Quote lanyaie wrote: It isn't the 1st of April yet, right? First thing I looked for. Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 3257	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:41:36 - [7] - Quote Querns wrote: Huh, interesting. Unifying PLEX and AUR is a very, very smart decision. Reducing bad complexity is always good. I'll be a little sad to see the "PLEX-tanked" killmails go away, but I understand completely that making it easier for new players to handle PLEX is necessary. I don't have metrics on how many folks quit playing after suffering a PLEX transport loss, but I bet y'all do. We'll still have Skill Injector tanks to amuse us at least. And, even with this new system, I be there will be a non-zero amount of PLEX showing up on the killboards. Eve players are notorious for making bad decisions. The 8 Golden Rules of Eve Why Do They Gank?
Sam Guivenne Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:46:16 - [8] - Quote There are a great deal of things wrong with this post, so I'm just going to go down the list as they come by. 1: Risk vs Reward: Plex hauling is supposed to be incredibly risky, which is why its also highly profitable. 2: The dumbass clause: PLEX tanking is historically something that separates idiots from other players, and as you get punished for being an idiot on every other part of the game, why not get punished here. 3: The Plex Vault window: Its yet another UI decision that clearly lacked any player imput as it adds yet more clasing design and clutter to the window that takes away from the aesthetic of it, plus its more obnoxious advertising people don't want. 4: This nullifies all that Aurum you gave out to everybody for Christmas, which is just a plain ** move. 5: Why do we need to split plex into 500s? Not only does that make the idea of it being a Pilot License Extension nonsensical, but its also going to ** the existing plex market to hell and back. Perhaps allowing it to be split and recombined maybe? 6: Ship Skins: This is pushing us towards Full Monetary Transactions for these which is something I find uncomfortable. 7: Lack of any imput before this immediate decision making. This seems like a shortsighted and insane decision to make, especially during the middle of the new CSM Election. 8 : If you just want to have PLEX as a mobile item like this why even make it something in game and not just drop the charade and create an isk to aurum to additional content system. GW2 does it to good effect. I'm sure I'm missing additional things here.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 917	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:48:01 - [9] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Querns wrote: Huh, interesting. Unifying PLEX and AUR is a very, very smart decision. Reducing bad complexity is always good. I'll be a little sad to see the "PLEX-tanked" killmails go away, but I understand completely that making it easier for new players to handle PLEX is necessary. I don't have metrics on how many folks quit playing after suffering a PLEX transport loss, but I bet y'all do. We'll still have Skill Injector tanks to amuse us at least. And, even with this new system, I be there will be a non-zero amount of PLEX showing up on the killboards. Eve players are notorious for making bad decisions. Not so much bad decisions as RMT laundering. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2706	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:50:18 - [10] - Quote Sam Guivenne wrote: 6: Ship Skins: This is pushing us towards Full Monetary Transactions for these which is something I find uncomfortable. There's no qualitative difference between how SKINs are purchased currently and how they'd be purchased after this change. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Logan Jakal Blue Sun. DARKNESS. 16	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:50:55 - [11] - Quote Yeah, okay. But if one "500 PLEX" is not equal to 30 days of play time, what is the anticipated price for 30 days of game time with these ? I'm hoping you are not just rising a middle finger to people that PLEX their accounts.
Def Monk Phoenix Naval Operations Phoenix Naval Systems 13	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:52:28 - [12] - Quote So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp 275	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:55:23 - [13] - Quote It's not April, 1st, is it?GÇª Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Rivr Luzade Kenshin. DARKNESS. 2982	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:55:51 - [14] - Quote Querns wrote: but I understand completely that making it easier for new players to handle PLEX is necessary. I don't have metrics on how many folks quit playing after suffering a PLEX transport loss, but I bet y'all do. Care to explain how turning 1 item into 500 items and require people to calculate things with 500 items instead of one makes things easier? UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
GoldSnake Amok. Goonswarm Federation 4	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:56:00 - [15] - Quote YES! YES! YES! Time to grab my popcorn and watch the market burn :popcorn:
Scotsman Howard S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore 175	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:56:39 - [16] - Quote CCP Phantom wrote: Changes are coming to PLEX, Aurum and the New Eden Store! Our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 PLEX from CCP will instead require 500 PLEX. We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX. Check out the blog for further info on this exciting change: PLEX Changes On The Way! Please note, these changes donGÇÖt have a set release date yet but will be coming to EVE Online this spring or early summer. Great idea overall, but only a couple of questions questions: 1. Can we get an option to hide or move the plex value inventory location to the bottom of the tab (not the list but the whole left side of the screen) so it is out of the way? Yes I know it is a small thing, but it is always nice to know where your ship inventory is if you are in a hurry. 2. How will the plex show in the API if it is techincally is every characters inventory? 3. On the day of the patch, when you convert all plex to 500 plex, will they be automoved to the vault? 4. Along the same lines as number 3, can plex be moved to the vault remotely. This is just a curiousity question as you can already remotely activate them. Another thing you completely left out of the blog was what this will do to your efforts of investigating RMTing. If I had to guess, it is easier to follow items through trades and contracts than killmails. With fewer plex killmails, it will make it easier to investigate them and drop the ban-hammer. 5. Have you considered the affect this would have on Reddit and Zkillboard comments when people can no longer spam RMT failure/success? It seems CCP is trying to limit our commenting abilities here lol.
witchking42 UNFRL Fleet Operations 215	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:57:11 - [17] - Quote Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. +1 , excellent idea.
Scotsman Howard S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore 175	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:58:12 - [18] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Querns wrote: but I understand completely that making it easier for new players to handle PLEX is necessary. I don't have metrics on how many folks quit playing after suffering a PLEX transport loss, but I bet y'all do. Care to explain how turning 1 item into 500 items and require people to calculate things with 500 items instead of one makes things easier? It allows them to sell items (skins) for the same currency as player time (plex). Now a skin will be worht x number of plex instead of aurum which required a conversion to begin with. Granted, I probably would have done 100 or 1000 to make the math more of a decimal move, but 500 works as well.
Squizz Caphinator Primary. 212	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:58:49 - [19] - Quote From a developer viewpoint, I'm curious, will the typeID of existing PLEX be changed, or will the name merely be changed? Depending on your answer, I will have to modify code since zkillboard uses an item's price history to determine the value of items within a killmail. If a new typeID is being used, I won't have to modify code. This won't affect just 3rd party killboards but killmail values in game as well. I'd just like to be prepared ahead of time. Thanks! Various projects I enjoy putting my free time into: https://zkillboard.com \| https://evewho.com
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2707	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:59:16 - [20] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Querns wrote: but I understand completely that making it easier for new players to handle PLEX is necessary. I don't have metrics on how many folks quit playing after suffering a PLEX transport loss, but I bet y'all do. Care to explain how turning 1 item into 500 items and require people to calculate things with 500 items instead of one makes things easier? Did you quote the wrong part of my post? After the change, I'm assuming you won't be able to buy 1 "old" PLEX from the market. You'll just buy it in multiples of 125, or multiples of 500, or something like that. The primary function of purchasing PLEX is to sell the PLEX for ISK. If you're purchasing PLEX with real money and immediately converting it into game time for your own accounts, you're paying 33% more, minimum, for your game time than you need to, compared to a monthly subscription. (Multi-month deals increase the disparity even more.) This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 14:59:58 - [21] - Quote Well, goodbye SP Farming.
TheSmokingHertog Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium 462	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:01:36 - [22] - Quote Please make an option to give all your alts access to the PLEX vault of your main, based on mutual agreement.n++ "Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X "Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron -= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp 275	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:02:19 - [23] - Quote What next, though? AUR as hard money? Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
TheVault Hogyoku Goonswarm Federation 14	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:03:35 - [24] - Quote It's official now: I will hold all your PLEX, take care of me.
DragonHelm III 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 28	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:04:08 - [25] - Quote Very nice change. Aurum was always a quirky system. This new approach is much appreciated.
MJ Maverick nul-li-fy Circle-Of-Two 114	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:05:19 - [26] - Quote Why not just make Aurum the material of trade? Otherwise the name PLEX (Pilot Licence Extension) won't make sense when you need 2,700 of them to extend your licence... Instead make Aurum's an in-game transportable object. You can make a PLEX with 2,700 Aurum, buy a re-sculpt with 1,000 Aurum or whatever etc. and you can buy Aurum on Amazon and other retailers like you can PLEX at the moment. [EVEOTS] Eve Online Teamspeak 3 API Registration
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2707	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:05:24 - [27] - Quote Tonto Auri wrote: What next, though? AUR as hard money? What's next for AUR is it being taken behind the woodshed. you see it's funny because aurum means "gold" and the dog in this metaphor is ol' yeller This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Sanders Schmittlaub Steel Fury. Triumvirate. 24	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:05:39 - [28] - Quote Remove the line from the already EXTREMELY crowded inventory window. Its the only bit of this dev blog I have major issues with, because for anyone with either small monitors or too much stuff open in-client, the inventory list is already hanging down below the edge of the window requiring scrolling to get to hangars. This exacerbates the issue without adding any benefits to the vast majority of players. Apart from that, I have no idea why you went with 1:500 conversion, but I can live with that, so pack the rest of it up and ship it.
Sakurako Kimino Eternal Darkness. Blades of Grass 19	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:05:58 - [29] - Quote I do wonder if CCP is going to change the price point 1 plex right now is -ú16.99 i do wonder if it will go up eve is about sin
Carneros Ancient Hittite Corporation The Bastion 24	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:06:56 - [30] - Quote I see these as good changes. 1/3500 was a lot of granularity and that level of granularity was not in use. You never see anything sold for 1 Aurum. 1/500 is very likely plenty of granularity. 1/500 is easier to remember and understand for calculating the cost of small items. It's less convenient for people who are just looking for 1 month of Omega time, but more convenient for everyone else. The PLEX vault can move PLEX around New Eden is better for very new players who don't understand their risks. Those people aren't the ones pirates should be farming anyway. This way is better for EVE in the long term. Let a brand new player get established and informed of risks first. As a side benefit to players with multiple accounts, your Aurum can now be combined on one character, essentially.

Blath Wilt Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:08:13 - [31] - Quote Querns wrote: but I understand completely that making it easier for new players to handle PLEX is necessary. I don't have metrics on how many folks quit playing after suffering a PLEX transport loss, but I bet y'all do. I want to know "why" does a new player have to handle / move around plex?...... Make zero sense, they actually never have to be moved with all the remote features that apply to it now. Also, the old rule of if you un-dock it, be able to lose it?......... Where the hell did that go?
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2709	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:10:50 - [32] - Quote Blath Wilt wrote: Querns wrote: I want to know "why" does a new player have to handle / move around plex?...... Make zero sense, they actually never have to be moved with all the remote features that apply to it now. Also, the old rule of if you un-dock it, be able to lose it?......... Where the hell did that go? It requires guile and experience to know that you don't need to move PLEX. New players lack both. Please mind the slope; it's slippery from here on. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Messenger Of Truth Butlerian Crusade 86	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:15:44 - [33] - Quote Two problems with this devblog. I don't want vertical inventory space wasted, and I don't want to be constantly shown a plex advert. Why not divide plex by 1000, then call the new currency a micro-plex? That would at least be SI unit compliant. Trade Hub Price Checker: stop.hammerti.me.uk/pricecheck Visit "Haulers Channel" in game for all matters courier-related. Structure name/system API: stop.hammerti.me.uk/api
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2711	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:15:47 - [34] - Quote Question: Will players be able to move PLEX into their Vault remotely, or do they have to be present at the inventory location of the PLEX to do so? This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2711	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:17:25 - [35] - Quote Messenger Of Truth wrote: Why not divide plex by 1000, then call the new currency a micro-plex? That would at least be SI unit compliant. That'd be a milliplex. Microplex would require you to divide by 1,000,000. :reject: This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Lara Agnon Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:17:45 - [36] - Quote Why not make things simpler? Like: 1. Get rid of Aurum. 2. Sell all the aurum stuff on market for isk. Sell isk via PLEX as usual. No interface changes, no hassle, everything would be easier. If you really want to split PLEX, then please, make it so that it represents game time, like 1 PLEX = 1 day
Colonel Tosh Swamphole Inc. 34	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:18:12 - [37] - Quote I like the idea. That said, for everyone below 1000 AUR isn't it possible to pay these out with ISK so that it's not lost? It would be only fair to have a conversion rate based on the value of that AUR at the moment of the release? It feels a little sour that you're forced to buy things because you phase it out, rather than having us get ISK instead of PLEX.
h4kun4 Gang Bang Pandas Snuffed Out 70	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:19:32 - [38] - Quote yes indeed, the entire concept of moving plex was completely stupid and only clueless people and RMTers would do that. Buying plex in jita and selling them in Dodixie wouldnt get you any reward compared to the risk. im not sure if im looking forwardto this since im often buying plex and i cant really be bothered to spend more on them xD
Angelo Schilling Knights of the Protectorate 1	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:21:15 - [39] - Quote Question: how does this affect PLEX stored in destructible structures? Doesn't this remove a lot of risk from market citadels?
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 4023	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:21:37 - [40] - Quote CCP: Did you consider getting rid of the PLEX instead of the Arum? Just convert all PLEX to Aurum, add an Aurum market, and sell Omega status for 3500 AUR per month. It would be like cutting up the PLEX into 3500 smaller bits rather than 500. Also, why 500? Nothing in the Aurum store sells for the equivalent of 7 AUR. Is there really a need for that small a unit? How about 35 new-PLEX (or new-AUR) per PLEX, and one new-AUR per 100 AUR? I have a feeling you went through all these permutations. How did you end up with this particular new system? Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction

Manic Velocity Emergent Dynamics 221	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:22:23 - [41] - Quote I like the idea of unifying PLEX and Aurum, and the concept of making PLEX more granular in how it is bought and sold. These two things really simplify the mental gymnastics of how PLEX can be used. Good stuff there. But I absolutely DO NOT like the concept of the PLEX Vault. This completely eliminates the risk/reward aspect of moving PLEX throughout the cluster, which will cause all PLEX prices to be completely stable across New Eden. The PLEX Vault treats PLEX as a unique item which is always safe unless the player is exceptionally stupid. And that's not how EVE works. Destruction is vital to the sandbox, and the PLEX Vault reduces the chance of PLEX being destroyed to nearly zero. The PLEX Vault feels like a hand-holding feature created specifically for newbros and Alphas who couldn't be bothered to do the bare minimum of research before purchasing PLEX. I get that CCP wants to invite and retain new players, but don't do it by babying them. It's insulting to their intelligence, and it will only serve to give them the wrong impression. EVE is not a place where you or your assets should feel 100% safe, EVE is not 100% fair, and that's exactly what makes the game worth playing. "The most punchable face in New Eden." Be excellent to each other. Twitter / Twitch / YouTube
Nave Olswin Incompetent Industrial TMA Corps of Engineering 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:24:08 - [42] - Quote Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This was my first reaction as well, i like the idea of granularity in omega time, but 1:500 is so bizarre for anyone who uses PLEX as a license extension, making it 1:720 seems like it makes far more sense. 1:720 still gives enough granularity for ex-aurum transactions without being cumbersome, but makes the PLEX to Omega conversion much easier, i want 6 hours of omega with this alt? 6 PLEX. If CCP is concerned about people abusing extremely short omega bursts to do specific jobs rather than paying for omega for longer periods, then set specific time periods, 24 plex for 1 day, 168 plex for a week, etc. If CCP are not planning on allowing more granular omega access, then I don't really see the point in replacing the aurum system anyway, it wasn't really that difficult to understand
Tom Stonehoof Infinite Point Systems Silver Dragonz 1	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:25:48 - [43] - Quote CCP, you are the reason I alwas hated those horrible pineapple and banana bushel word problems in elementary school. I think you need to have your heads checked, and maybe get some of those learning skills added back into the game since you clearly need them to understand your playerbase. But hey... I play ark now instead, and there's plenty of better made space mmo's now that don't require a quarter of the bullshittery that this is becoming.
Angelo Schilling Knights of the Protectorate 1	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:26:37 - [44] - Quote I would also like to see the smaller denomination PLEX be individually-redeemable, as others have suggested. 1 PLEX = 1 day is a nice ratio.
nezroy Nice Clan 52	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:32:28 - [45] - Quote Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. There's no indication you'll be able to buy game time in chunks smaller than 30 days. I mean, this change opens up the possibility of doing so, but the idea that a single DPLEX can be converted into 1.44 hrs of game time is an invalid assumption.
Skia Aumer Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 426	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:33:15 - [46] - Quote While you're at it, could you please add information about my Omega clone expiry date somewhere ingame?
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 1113	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:33:48 - [47] - Quote Granularity good, vault bad. There once was a ganker named tisi A stunningly beautiful missy To gank a gross miner There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Skurbio Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:33:58 - [48] - Quote I like this move overall, but I would like to see the ability to use plex for less than one month. Allow us to plex for a week and maybe you'll see more alphas plex when their mains are war decced
Kismeteer Bat Country Pandemic Legion 888	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:35:16 - [49] - Quote Can we add and remove plex from our plex bank? Can it go straight onto the market from the plex bank or do we have to pull it out? More importantly, are there anymore boundry edges, like the 3500 aurum boundry to convert to a plex? Like have to pull it out in 500 plex increments?
Skully Luv Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:35:33 - [50] - Quote With all due respect, who cares? We want new ships, new PVE content, new WH content, more ways to kill each other in PVP. Please stop wasting dev resources on this and other useless things like skins.

Skia Aumer Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 426	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:37:37 - [51] - Quote Manic Velocity wrote: But I absolutely DO NOT like the concept of the PLEX Vault. This completely eliminates the risk/reward aspect of moving PLEX throughout the cluster... First, let's get rid of remote skill injector activation.
Maizie Fields Eden Ranch Injector Spa 9	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:38:29 - [52] - Quote Please clarify the conversion of Aurum to PLEX: Will the PLEX received from the Aurum conversion be trapped in the New Eden Store and only available for NES purchases, or will they be deposited into the PLEX Vault and available for use as the account holder pleases? Maizie Fields, Chief Injection Officer, Eden Ranch Injector Spa
MoonDragn ZiTek 13	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:38:52 - [53] - Quote I think this is a great idea. No more punishing newbies for moving Plex around because they don't realize they can be killed in high sec. Smaller units means you only need to buy as much as you need sub for if you didn't meet your monthly quota of isk. Win win in my opinion. I can't really see any drawbacks. The interface clutter to me is a non-issue and getting rid of Aurum is a bonus to boot.
Tanuki Kittybeta Ripperoni in Pepperoni Trigger Warnings 121	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:40:28 - [54] - Quote how many hours/days does 1 micro plex give pls
Allsales Final Stars in No Sky 4	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:41:27 - [55] - Quote So, if I understand this correctly, I can buy PLEX anywhere in New Eden, and, regardless of what godforsaken region I buy it in, I can immediately offer it for sale in Jita, or, more precisely, a free trade hub in Perimeter? Works for me. How about introducing a mechanism which allows one to short sell assets? A futures market in PLEX? This is going to crush PLEX prices. We are going to see some backwardation, baby. Look out below.
Revis Owen The Conference Elite CODE. 481	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:46:29 - [56] - Quote Squizz Caphinator wrote: From a developer viewpoint, I'm curious, will the typeID of existing PLEX be changed, or will the name merely be changed? Neither, if they're going after ease. You would just perform appropriate multiplications to values in all relevant fields. Agent of the New Order http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html If you do not have a current Mining Permit, please contact me for issuance.
Spc One The Chodak Void Alliance 312	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:50:30 - [57] - Quote Look at the plex prices .. already 120mil inflated.
Yatolilaboboolia Yatolila Salty Frogs 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:51:18 - [58] - Quote Revis Owen wrote: Squizz Caphinator wrote: From a developer viewpoint, I'm curious, will the typeID of existing PLEX be changed, or will the name merely be changed? Neither, if they're going after ease. You would just perform appropriate multiplications to values in all relevant fields. I take it you aren't a programmer...
erittainvarma Fistful of Finns WE FORM V0LTA 40	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:51:21 - [59] - Quote Not sure if Classic CCP (=while trying to simplify some things you add unnecessary complexity to other things) or shady plan to actually convert plex to Aurum and just call it plex instead. Why not convert 1:720 as others already asked? Afraid of players not buying ship skins when they can think "well there goes 50 hours of my game time"? This is why we can't have nice things.
libzix Brest RUS-2-RUS 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:53:32 - [60] - Quote I have a simple question. Is there any visualization of the aging of the ship in the game? It's very cool when the ship is a hero with a scar

TheVault Hogyoku Goonswarm Federation 19	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:54:10 - [61] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: Granularity good, vault bad. I confirm i am bad
Oracle of Machina Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 41	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:54:21 - [62] - Quote I have no problems with this except the giant BUY MORE **** window.
Ichi Uno Jackwagon Express 1	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:54:47 - [63] - Quote The PLEX Vault would make more sense to me in a wallet tab (next to shares maybe) than in inventory. Transporting it safely still runs against the grain though.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Singularity Expedition Services Singularity Syndicate 2119	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:55:00 - [64] - Quote I prefer the idea of splitting to 30 days and making it a daily PLEX as a compromise. Slightly upset that we didn't even get a referendum on PLEXit...
Sullen Decimus Polaris Rising The Bastion 59	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:57:23 - [65] - Quote Manic Velocity wrote: I like the idea of unifying PLEX and Aurum, and the concept of making PLEX more granular in how it is bought and sold. These two things really simplify the mental gymnastics of how PLEX can be used. Good stuff there. But I absolutely DO NOT like the concept of the PLEX Vault. This completely eliminates the risk/reward aspect of moving PLEX throughout the cluster, which will cause all PLEX prices to be completely stable across New Eden. The PLEX Vault treats PLEX as a unique item which is always safe unless the player is exceptionally stupid. And that's not how EVE works. Destruction is vital to the sandbox, and the PLEX Vault reduces the chance of PLEX being destroyed to nearly zero. The PLEX Vault feels like a hand-holding feature created specifically for newbros and Alphas who couldn't be bothered to do the bare minimum of research before purchasing PLEX. I get that CCP wants to invite and retain new players, but don't do it by babying them. It's insulting to their intelligence, and it will only serve to give them the wrong impression. EVE is not a place where you or your assets should feel 100% safe, EVE is not 100% fair, and that's exactly what makes the game worth playing. I would imagine it's more to do with having a cross character bay which all characters on an account can access (something btw players have been asking for years to have). If it removes the plex tanking of ships, I'm ok with it. It's a hilarious aspect of the game which we all like to point at laugh at, but really doesn't make or break anything in the game. Is plex safer now? sure. Does it impact anyone's gameplay though? not really. CSM XI Member Twitter: Sullen_Decimus Tweetfleet: @sullen_decimus Sullen Decimus for CSM XII
Sasha Nemtsov New Order Logistics CODE. 545	Posted - 2017.03.16 15:57:32 - [66] - Quote Sakurako Kimino wrote: I do wonder if CCP is going to change the price point 1 plex right now is -ú16.99 i do wonder if it will go up Oddly, that's the 2nd or 3rd thing which occurred to me, too. I wonder whether a wholesale re-jigging of the subscription model itself is in the offing - together with a modest price-hike. They would need to sort out the kind of issues addressed by this dev blog in preparation for such a change. minerbumping New Order Audio Archive NEW! MinerBumping Video Vault
Makalu Zarya The Maverick Navy Northern Coalition. 242	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:01:41 - [67] - Quote why not plex 9000?
Laechyd Eldgorn 0.0 POWERBLOCK Paisti Syndicate 53	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:02:29 - [68] - Quote Aurum -> plex change is good. Vault magical pony teleport is bad. Plex hauling is both trade and pvp mechanic which would be removed by this change. Please do not change this. You can make huge warning popup before undocking with plex - I don't care - but plex should be transported by ships. If something keep vault as interface to browse all your plex items but don't just teleport them.
Raziel Walker NPC Tax Evasion Corp 30	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:04:25 - [69] - Quote Glad the screenshots already show that adding a month of game time will cost 500 plex in one go instead of having to activate a plex for 1/500 of a month and then do this 500 times before ragequitting the game. Btw, would be nice if it was possible to activate multiple months worth of account time in one go.
libzix Brest RUS-2-RUS 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:04:44 - [70] - Quote Why do the developers not make fractional radio.4 factions and 4 radio. The player was aware of what was happening in the game through the media.

Luc Chastot 701	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:04:44 - [71] - Quote Idea is good, but 500 PLEX for 30 days is not very straightforward math-wise. You need to give a single unit of PLEX an equivalency in time that is easy to use. One hour of game time = 1 PLEX sounds like the best option. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.
Alecto Furia Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:05:14 - [72] - Quote I have, through perfectly 100% above board totes legitimate not a scam methods, aquired some multiple pilot training certificates. Will anything happen to them?
Allsales Final Stars in No Sky 5	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:06:03 - [73] - Quote One more step on the way to pay to play.
Lugues Slive Diamond Light Industries 41	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:06:21 - [74] - Quote The problem with a 1:720 conversion is Aurum. It already has a 1:3500 conversion rate. The GCD between 30 and 3500 is 10, which means the cleanest conversion would be 1 new PLEX is worth 3 days. But if one of the pushes is to empty spare Aurum, with the 1:500 ratio you can get all but the last 6 Aurum from a character while the 1:10 ratio leaves you with a maximum of 349 Aurum.
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2715	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:07:53 - [75] - Quote FYI: It would be extremely foolish of CCP to allow players to purchase game time in increments smaller than 30 days. It'd take about a week before the first out-of-game, API-backed application arises to monitor your subscription levels and only prompt you to use a PLEX for every hour and change of actual log-in time you need. I'd probably write the application myself. Doing this would utterly devastate CCP's bottom line. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Skia Aumer Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 426	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:08:43 - [76] - Quote Sullen Decimus wrote: Is plex safer now? sure. Does it impact anyone's gameplay though? not really. It does impact traders. Regional arbitrage is a thing, and not only for generic times, but for PLEX, extractors and injectors as well. While I dont think CCP will revert this decision, could we at least get rid of remote skill injection? This thing is very counter-intuitive to begin with. And again, could be at least a minor substitute to drug smuggling business that was stomped over recently.
Siri Kaw Lexington Company 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:08:56 - [77] - Quote First post, woot! This is a fairly dramatic universe change, but I'm more concerned with how easily real-life policy decisions could effect in-game currency. My greatest concern being that now the number of PLEX for game-time is poised for easier fluctuation based on CCP's whims. For current thinking it would be insane for 30 days of game time to suddenly cost 1.5 or 2 PLEX, and that's a hard change to bring about, but going from 500 to 550 "units of plex" for the same amount of game time may be easier to swallow. Remember, these are likely the same monetization folks who were involved in deciding that it was a good idea to sell Skill Extractors at 999 Aurum, but only sell Aurum in blocks of 900. The idea being that you need two buy two blocks of Aurum and could never fully use up the excess. I love EVE and (most of) the community who play and develop in it, and while my desire is to be hopeful that this change is a positive one, my gut reaction is that this is a change directed toward CCP's bottom line and not for the betterment of the playing experience. IMO the PLEX system is almost flawless as it stands today, the Aurum system (no disrespect to those who worked on it) is total garbage almost solely due to the Aurum exchange rate on items. It feels like you are trying to sweep a series of bad decisions (Aurum) under the rug at the expense of the PLEX mechanic, and would argue that, with such an intrinsic game element, whatever the result, good or bad, "as goes PLEX, so goes EVE". TLDR; I love that it's like no biggie to evaporate anyone's Aurum who paid RL dollars on two blocks to have 800 Aur left over after buying a 1000 Aur Skill Extractor. #SecondDecadeCollectorsEdition60DayTimeCodeScrewed.
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1041	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:09:49 - [78] - Quote Just no... CCPlease focus on issues that NEED FIXING instead of screwing up a system that already works well... and that all players are used to... Maybe, idk, focus on AC tiericide? or Crime Watch? or, you know, any other issue players are complaining about (Like the whole map thing that just got released) Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:09:58 - [79] - Quote Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear.
Ammerai Zaer Pseudacorp 1	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:12:58 - [80] - Quote If they allow you to get very granular with plex that creates weird situations where you might use a single plex to undock in a fit for a specific purpose. Being able to plex only when I am exploring for example would mean I might only burn through maybe 8-10 plex a week. So it is very unlikely CCP is going to let you burn individual plex for time. However it is very clear this is going to accompany a way to buy a smaller time allotment, possibly with less efficiency than buying a full month, simply because they talked about what they learned from alpha clones. Specifically, plexing up is totally beyond the capability of the majority of alpha clone players, which from CCP's perspective is a problem, because it means these alpha clone players are not increasing the value of plex, which was almost certainly a goal of the alpha clone system in the first place. By breaking up plex into 500 unit chunks, now a plex is worth about 2 million, assuming the value of plex doesn't shoot up in response to more people consuming it or down in response to the temporary plex infusion from Aurum. 100 plex is now 200 million, which may be rough on an apha player but is now a number they can dream of reaching and actually make progress towards. So now you have an entirely new economic class of eve player who constantly are intermittently consuming plex, raising the value of plex and thus making it much more likely for people who subscribe for their accounts but don't have a massive income source to want to buy plex to sell. ...Oh... and also they literally said that selling time in 30 day chunks is too clunky and they want to allow players to buy time in smaller chunks....

Allsales Final Stars in No Sky 5	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:12:59 - [81] - Quote Allsales Final wrote: One more step on the way to pay to play. CCP has a responsibility to its owners to force everyone subscribing with PLEX to sub with cold hard cash. This is an awesome first step. Please sell us shares of CCP stock. You guys rock.
Cholly Chi Acme Entropy 9	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:16:33 - [82] - Quote Scotsman Howard wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: Querns wrote: but I understand completely that making it easier for new players to handle PLEX is necessary. I don't have metrics on how many folks quit playing after suffering a PLEX transport loss, but I bet y'all do. Care to explain how turning 1 item into 500 items and require people to calculate things with 500 items instead of one makes things easier? It allows them to sell items (skins) for the same currency as player time (plex). Now a skin will be worht x number of plex instead of aurum which required a conversion to begin with. Granted, I probably would have done 100 or 1000 to make the math more of a decimal move, but 500 works as well. This is the first reasonable comment I've seen so far, and summarizes the salient point: the change will result in ONE currency which can be used for all in-game transactions. The size of the 'granule' was likely chosen to reasonably compare with the smallest currency amount charged in the New Eden Store, which in theory is 5 AUR (or roughly 1/700th the value of AURUM compared to Plex purchased via CCP for cash), but in fact is currently 10 (or 1/350th), and far more commonly 50. So, the proposed Plex granule size of one 500'th is quite adequate either way. I feel for those who will miss their killmail-inspired doses of Schadenfreude, but this change is clearly a good step forward in tidying up a needlessly complicated currency market - and otherwise strikes me as much ado about nothing:)
Krieg Austern 45	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:16:57 - [83] - Quote I'm not against this idea overall - but a question (one that was missed in your FAQ)... what happens with AUR balances less than 1,000 on launch day? Are these going to be lost, meaning we should spend them now? What about those balances "not quite enough" to buy something yet. Do we have to specifically buy AUR now, so that we can spend as much as possible?
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 919	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:17:15 - [84] - Quote Allsales Final wrote: CCP has a responsibility to its owners to force everyone subscribing with PLEX to sub with cold hard cash. They would do that why exactly? You do realize that CCP makes more money out of people that use PLEX to pay for their subscription, right? When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Rotho Ataru The Anti-Meme Initiative Exponential Dysfunction 5	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:17:34 - [85] - Quote I can deal with most changes and I generally wouldn't speak out against any design decision. I try to give developers the benefit of the doubt since they have more information than I do. That said, please do NOT add a PLEX tab to the inventory window. This is NOT an iPhone game. It looks terrible. I understand that you still want to make PLEX a physical object, so it does make sense to keep it in inventory. But it does not need its own tab. That's silly. There's enough going on in the inventory window. We don't need a PLEX advertisement at the top.
Obil Que Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 485	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:18:25 - [86] - Quote Sullen Decimus wrote: Manic Velocity wrote: I like the idea of unifying PLEX and Aurum, and the concept of making PLEX more granular in how it is bought and sold. These two things really simplify the mental gymnastics of how PLEX can be used. Good stuff there. But I absolutely DO NOT like the concept of the PLEX Vault. This completely eliminates the risk/reward aspect of moving PLEX throughout the cluster, which will cause all PLEX prices to be completely stable across New Eden. The PLEX Vault treats PLEX as a unique item which is always safe unless the player is exceptionally stupid. And that's not how EVE works. Destruction is vital to the sandbox, and the PLEX Vault reduces the chance of PLEX being destroyed to nearly zero. The PLEX Vault feels like a hand-holding feature created specifically for newbros and Alphas who couldn't be bothered to do the bare minimum of research before purchasing PLEX. I get that CCP wants to invite and retain new players, but don't do it by babying them. It's insulting to their intelligence, and it will only serve to give them the wrong impression. EVE is not a place where you or your assets should feel 100% safe, EVE is not 100% fair, and that's exactly what makes the game worth playing. I would imagine it's more to do with having a cross character bay which all characters on an account can access (something btw players have been asking for years to have). If it removes the plex tanking of ships, I'm ok with it. It's a hilarious aspect of the game which we all like to point at laugh at, but really doesn't make or break anything in the game. Is plex safer now? sure. Does it impact anyone's gameplay though? not really. The reaction is entire visceral because it's PLEX If they had decided to remove PLEX and convert everything to AUR, create an AUR vault/wallet, and make it a valid in game item just like PLEX, I'd actually have less of a reaction to the vault than I do because it's PLEX. That just tells me that I'm just reacting to it out of existing bias that PLEX should never be protected because it's PLEX. It is a good thing to combine the two currency. I can live with the vault (though the UI is a bit in your face) and hope that it does indeed improve customer retention.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3403	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:20:17 - [87] - Quote This seems like a lame idea. Making the game safer and all... but I'm not in the mood for standing on a soapbox right now so 2 questions: Aurum in increments less than a thousand: What happens to that? Does the Aurum get wiped out if less than 1k? Also, during the conversion will Aurum across all characters on an account be added together for the conversion or will it be done on a per character basis? Is anyone going to look into why the PLEX market went sideways days before this announcement? It's pretty obvious some inside info was leaked. To whom it was leaked should be pretty easy for CCP to figure out. Will you? Signatures should be used responsibly...
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 690	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:21:35 - [88] - Quote PLEX prices are rising, but they started 3 days ago before this devblog. Care to explain CCP? You have a leak? Someone gain from knowing this before? "I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville If you need a scout mail me.
HindSight Pergatory Ascendance Goonswarm Federation 24	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:22:01 - [89] - Quote Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. I dont think that a single PLEX under the new setup will be redeemable for 1 hour and 26 mins of game time. And by the way, thanks for doing the math for all of us.. I was running out of fingers and toes to count on. Im sure that adding a game-time quantity will be made to require 500 mini-plex increments so i wouldnt worry about that. This is essentially like finally doing away with coins in the U.S. Monetary system which is FAR overdue. I cant wait to see all the Butt-hurt rage posts by all the P2W PLEX munchers who sell them 20 at a time to pay for their Titan mats
Sullen Decimus Polaris Rising The Bastion 60	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:23:13 - [90] - Quote SIEGE RED wrote: Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? CSM XI Member Twitter: Sullen_Decimus Tweetfleet: @sullen_decimus Sullen Decimus for CSM XII

HindSight Pergatory Ascendance Goonswarm Federation 24	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:25:07 - [91] - Quote Sullen Decimus wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? You have to admit, theres evidence that supports this conspiracy... =P
Obil Que Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 485	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:26:50 - [92] - Quote Sullen Decimus wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? Tinfoil 1: PLEX rising prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices Tinfoil 2: PLEX falls prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices Choose
Allsales Final Stars in No Sky 5	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:26:51 - [93] - Quote Sullen Decimus wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? What do you mean "what"? It is all quite odd. Announce a game changing policy on an arbitrary Thursday afternoon and hope the impact is minimized? It was leaked.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 919	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:26:53 - [94] - Quote SIEGE RED wrote: Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. Don't tell me you're surprised by that.. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:29:40 - [95] - Quote To be fair, doesn't mean it's another CSM case. There's other avenues, which includes a repeat of CCP doing some housecleaning prior to a devblog - resulting in secondary effects. Either way, plex / injector + aurum / extractor markets were leading up to something, now we know what.
Pisyha Random inactiva corporation 8	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:31:26 - [96] - Quote Since you change PLEX value but dont change icon/name/abbrevation you open up the floodgates for a buttload of successful scams. Where you legit can contract 1 PLEX for cheap! Older players coming back etc are gonna have a rough time.
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2716	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:32:30 - [97] - Quote SIEGE RED wrote: Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. If it was, it wasn't our guys. Rule #1 about this game is to NEVER shit where CCP lives, especially if you've already flown pretty darn close to the sun before. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Jason Kusion KUSION SPECIAL TEAM 19	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:32:34 - [98] - Quote For the sake of all that is good and right in this world, do not integrate the plex vault into the inventory window. If anything, the vault should be somewhere within the wallet, similar to how the account aurum balance is currently.
SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:32:44 - [99] - Quote Pisyha wrote: Older players coming back etc are gonna have a rough time. That's ok, they're already supposed to be bitter, now they really can be
Relvin Krirtel Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:36:09 - [100] - Quote I have issue with in these proposed changes in that PLEX will be safe to access anywhere without risk of transport. There is a wide spectrum of players in the game. You see a great deal who are at times very ignorant of game mechanics. One of the most beautiful aspects of this sandbox is that the consequences of bad decisions are real. It appears that CCP does not want to alienate those who are both ignorant (for whatever excuse) and who also feel justified in that they should be insulated from risk because they have spent money. The PLEX vault should also not be in the inventory window. For me this takes away from the immersive experience of playing EVE in that I don't want to stare at real world associated money transactions while inside New Eden. I know it is available. I just don't need to see it that frequently. It would be nicer to put any changes into the neocom menu.

Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3403	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:43:42 - [101] - Quote Obil Que wrote: Sullen Decimus wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? Tinfoil 1: PLEX rising prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices Tinfoil 2: PLEX falls prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices Choose Tinfoil 1 You don't think that's more than coincidence? OK than... Signatures should be used responsibly...
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 1298	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:44:12 - [102] - Quote At this point, why don't you just make it a magically redeemable item "one billion ISK" you can buy? You can use ISK in the NEX and you can set how much ISK it takes to buy 30 days of gametime. @lunettelulu7
SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:45:03 - [103] - Quote Relvin Krirtel wrote: I have issue with in these proposed changes in that PLEX will be safe to access anywhere without risk of transport. There is a wide spectrum of players in the game. You see a great deal who are at times very ignorant of game mechanics. One of the most beautiful aspects of this sandbox is that the consequences of bad decisions are real. It appears that CCP does not want to alienate those who are both ignorant (for whatever excuse) and who also feel justified in that they should be insulated from risk because they have spent money. The PLEX vault should also not be in the inventory window. For me this takes away from the immersive experience of playing EVE in that I don't want to stare at real world associated money transactions while inside New Eden. I know it is available. I just don't need to see it that frequently. It would be nicer to put any changes into the neocom menu. Seperate discussions really. First one, look on the bright side. New Eden keeps more people who are, well, shall we say more inclined to serve as prey. From CCP's perspective it's better business, a little bookkeeping bonus and some other things. Overall, I can see the point. The second one, indeed. That kind of road just begs advertising space, let's put it that way. It's the kind of Door that all too easily gives slippery slopes - but I would suggest to find some alternate options which still can provide the shortcut CCP wants to provide. It's clearly but gradually heading towards a microtransaction model, but on CCP's terms. And now before anybody starts yelling like a little cyno girl look at it this way: a more granular currency introduced for the purchase of SKINs, in-game clothes and pending items in this format is a lot healthier than what they once upon a time came up with. This use of granularity allows them to sell an item in increments of $0.05 U.S. or thereabouts. Anybody remember the whole jacket for $1500 drama? As I said, healthier.
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin State War Academy Caldari State 37	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:47:50 - [104] - Quote Sam Guivenne wrote: There are a great deal of things wrong with this post, so I'm just going to go down the list as they come by. 1: Risk vs Reward: Plex hauling is supposed to be incredibly risky, which is why its also highly profitable. No its not. Part of why EVE was a joke of a game was because suicide gankers had virtually zero risk for potentially tremendous rewards. Finally they are decreasing the rewards for suicide ganking, which had such negligible costs that it was a commonplace grief tactic.
Momiji Sakora Omni Galactic Central Omni Galactic Group 77	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:49:35 - [105] - Quote Not sure if already suggested, but can we move the PLEX Vault to the Assets window instead of inventory? I don't need a universal inventory slot that won't get used taking up space that is already tight.
Allsales Final Stars in No Sky 5	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:52:05 - [106] - Quote Ever since CCP lost its head economist, Dr. Eyjolfur Gudmundsson, they have been struggling with this. I hope someone reaches out to him for input. Needless to say, CCP has intervened in PLEX markets before and will do so again. Historical CCP PLEX Intervention I leave it to you, dear reader, to determine what happens next. Plenty of other citations. Just google it.
Manic Velocity Emergent Dynamics 221	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:54:20 - [107] - Quote Sullen Decimus wrote: I would imagine it's more to do with having a cross character bay which all characters on an account can access (something btw players have been asking for years to have). If it removes the plex tanking of ships, I'm ok with it. It's a hilarious aspect of the game which we all like to point at laugh at, but really doesn't make or break anything in the game. Is plex safer now? sure. Does it impact anyone's gameplay though? not really. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the functionality of the PLEX Vault, but it sounds like you'll be able to access the vault on any character on one account from anywhere in the game. That last part is what I take issue with. And it does affect region trading, which is a large portion of EVE's appeal for many people. I'd be fine with a cross-character inventory, but not one that is accessible from anywhere in the game. That would give everyone the ability to teleport their entire inventory from one side of the map to the next in a matter of minutes with zero risk. I don't think anyone is advocating for this. But this is exactly what the PLEX Vault sounds like. The only exception being that it's reserved for PLEX-based services. This turns PLEX into a completely safe asset unless, as I said, the player is exceptionally stupid. Why is PLEX suddenly becoming a protected commodity? I take issue with the PLEX Vault on a conceptual level. Every item in EVE holds meaning because they are impermanent. You don't log into the game with the assumption that your assets are 100% safe...... except for PLEX, apparently. PLEX will soon be 100% safe. By eliminating the risk of loss, it diminishes what makes the game interesting. "The most punchable face in New Eden." Be excellent to each other. Twitter / Twitch / YouTube
cpu939 Eternal Darkness. Blades of Grass 109	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:54:28 - [108] - Quote With the new alpha accounts and this change i'm wondering if ccp would be looking at adding omega day(s). I can see the use of it being account runs out before pay day or i'm on holiday for a week wold like to play at omega level 500 of the new plex = 30 days meaning 16.6 plex each day how about making it 600 plex and thus 20 a day
Visello Gaterau United Earth Space Council 10	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:57:50 - [109] - Quote So i guess ccp are starting the chew the bone after the nerf to multiboxing... But this is such a bad way it will only give ccp the right to control the market of what plex etc should be worth by turning plex into units. I hope this wont come into the game it would be a shame i rather would like to see ccp handing out a written warning to the person who came up with nerfing the multiboxing instead... But we know better we wont see that comming ccp aint making mistakes!!! NOT
Allsales Final Stars in No Sky 5	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:00:24 - [110] - Quote I have an idea. SELL. Oh sweet mother of mercy. SELL. Sell it all. This is like 1990's Japanese deflation. Sell everything. Eve is dead.

Terminal Insanity Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1011	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:02:45 - [111] - Quote pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt. - infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters! obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day? i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30? "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Belt Scout Thread Lockaholics Anonymous 758	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:03:02 - [112] - Quote How about breaking up the monthly sub into weekly, or even daily subs for the new smaller plex. 1 week, 125 plex. Theres plenty of times I would like to do something with an alt but I dont want to sub it for a whole month just to use it for a few hours. They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. **This IS my main so STFU.
Damassys Kadesh Space Ham Reloaded Rapid Unexpected Disassembly Event 68	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:03:25 - [113] - Quote Been playing for over 10 years and have seen the doomsday reactions for longer than I can remember... EVE is still here... this change seems largely inconsequential but I have some detail-based feedback: -make it 300 instead of 500 so that 10 = one day... I'm sure the conversion for aurum and skin prices will still work and it will be much less cumbersome to calculate... it's currently based on 1 = 30 days so stick with that multiplier -make plex vault show by default, but easily hide-able -convert aurum values less than 1000 into a gift item or SP or isk... so that people get something for it -I saw someone make a point that plex hauling is high-risk for high reward, which is very EVE... can you not keep it this way and add a warning (maybe more flashy than the default) when undocking, just like when you have a crimewatch flag... or like in the past when you were undocking with drugs in your hold (obviously that code exists) Cheers Sourem Itharen > Congratulations Lady Kadesh, you have been selected by trial of fire and blood, under the watchful eyes of God, to represent Lord Khanid as his champion in the Imperial Succession trials -YC117
Hol Vegr Serious About Space Things. Circle-Of-Two 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:04:50 - [114] - Quote Sounds great overall, but it sounds a little bit like you're adding magical instant transport to PLEX which is terrible. I understand the desire to lower risk for new players, but being able to instantly transfer PLEX from one market to the next would be catastrophic. 1) Can a player access the PLEX in their PLEX vault from any station? 2) Can PLEX be placed back in the vault after being removed? 3) Can players place PLEX into the vault, travel to a new station, and remove the same PLEX there? Other than that, less of a question and more of a request: Can I please be able to buy a week of gametime for 125 PLEX now???!!!11one
Allsales Final Stars in No Sky 5	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:05:35 - [115] - Quote [quote=Damassys Kadesh -I saw someone make a point that plex hauling is high-risk for high reward, which is very EVE... can you not keep it this way and add a warning (maybe more flashy than the default) when undocking, just like when you have a crimewatch flag... or like in the past when you were undocking with drugs in your hold (obviously that code exists) Cheers[/quote] How about Concord escorts for anyone hauling PLEX?
Olleybear Armed And Angry 232	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:05:41 - [116] - Quote What will happen to Aurum Tokens. Aurum Tokens are worth 1000 Aurum. Are these not getting converted to the new PLEX system? Will Aurum Tokens stay in game and we can keep and convert them ourselves if we fell like it? Will Aurum Tokens stay in game but just be a novelty from days of old the way Mines are? I ask because in your post you are talking about Aurum Balances, not Aurum Tokens. Also, two different statements are made in the same paragraph. That only balances above 1000 Aurum are converted ( 1001 Aurum get converted, not 1000 ), then balances of 1000 Aurum or more are converted ( 1000 get converted, not 999 ). Quote: What about Aurum? Aurum had its run but we are excited to move forward with PLEX only. On launch day for this feature we will convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX. Today you get 3500 AUR for every PLEX you convert to Aurum, and this is the same rate we will match to convert Aurum to the new PLEX. This means that if your *Aurum balance on launch day is 1000 Aurum or more*, it will be converted in its entirety and you will get 1 PLEX for every 7 Aurum. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
DaReaper Net 7 Cannon.Fodder 2957	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:06:12 - [117] - Quote I do not know if this has been answered, or even asked so i will ask. First off i liek this idea, it should make things easier to use. My question is, I have 4 accounts, and at various times one account had a bit of aurum form when i bought something, and another account had a lot of aurum because i added some. There have been times when i wanted to buy something, but was short the aurum on one account, however if i combined my aurum form two accounts i'd have the aurum. Will it be possible with the new system to pull deposited plex out of the store so i could sell or trade it to an alt or even a buddy who might be a bit short but they don;t want to buy form the market? Or myself who might have plex spread between different account for various reasons? Or if i deposited 1k plex, and bought a few skins and had 100 plex left, i'd like to pull it out of the store and sell it if i can;t use it. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Eve For life.
Belt Scout Thread Lockaholics Anonymous 758	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:08:45 - [118] - Quote Allsales Final wrote: How about Concord escorts for anyone hauling PLEX? I can see the Mackinaw fleets now mining with concord escorts. They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. **This IS my main so STFU.
Krieg Austern 45	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:09:04 - [119] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt. - infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters! obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day? i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30? You cannot buy a sub for 1 hour, you still need to pay for 30 days worth of Omega. So it will cost you the 500 new PLEX for an Omega level sub.
Cearain Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing 1503	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:09:18 - [120] - Quote Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. If they do this then all of pi will soon be done by alphas. Buy a week or an hour and haul all your pi from your free accounts. There are many other barrier that alphas have that will be solved for a allot less money to ccp. Cynos and even playing time. Why pay 70 bucks to have a subscription for 6 months when you can just pay 2 dollars and play when ever you want. CCP will lose allot of money if they sell time for less than 30 days. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2716	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:09:34 - [121] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt. - infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters! obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day? i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30? Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time. It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Phoenix4264 Nobody in Local Of Sound Mind 2	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:10:48 - [122] - Quote Could we get a confirmation of if new PLEX can be exchanged for game time in more granular increments or if it will only be in 500 PLEX / 30 day blocks?
Terminal Insanity Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1011	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:13:26 - [123] - Quote Why not just allow plex/aurum to be converted between eachother, and let people cash out their aurum for aurum tokens? "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Cholly Chi Acme Entropy 9	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:13:41 - [124] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: Granularity good, vault bad. says the career ganker;)
Velarra 555	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:16:46 - [125] - Quote What are CCP's intentions for the Aurum in-game tokens that're sold/traded on the market or moved around in ships?
Damassys Kadesh Space Ham Reloaded Rapid Unexpected Disassembly Event 69	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:17:15 - [126] - Quote Allsales Final wrote: Damassys Kadesh wrote: -I saw someone make a point that plex hauling is high-risk for high reward, which is very EVE... can you not keep it this way and add a warning (maybe more flashy than the default) when undocking, just like when you have a crimewatch flag... or like in the past when you were undocking with drugs in your hold (obviously that code exists) Cheers How about Concord escorts for anyone hauling PLEX? I'm no software dev, but I believe that would be a massive feature to implement and introduce many more variables into to situation... just leave it as-is and shove information into new-players' faces so that they understand the risk if they try to haul it. Sourem Itharen > Congratulations Lady Kadesh, you have been selected by trial of fire and blood, under the watchful eyes of God, to represent Lord Khanid as his champion in the Imperial Succession trials -YC117
Niwt Owt Lempel-Ziv-Welch Mineral Compression 1	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:19:29 - [127] - Quote I think it makes more sense to move PLEX to Aurum. Aurum is a currency and PLEX is a pilot license extension. It makes sense to buy game time with a currency. It doesn't make sense to buy skins with a pilot license extension. Or another way to do it is just use ISK as the main form of currency, just allow you to buy everything in the Aurum store and all the PLEX services with ISK. Then allow you to buy ISK with real money.
Katrina Bekers Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 266	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:20:46 - [128] - Quote Posting in what it will become the threadnaught of the month. Oh, just to throw ideas around for the team: 500:1? It's ok to convert AUR with a 1:7 ratio, but many other ratios are a bit harder. Choose carefully your submultiples. I'd fully expect for "500 milliplexes" (plexerinos? plexinos? mPLEX?) to not cover anymore 30 days of omega time, but soonish 28 days of omega. So we could imagine also 250 mPLEX (2w) and 125 mPLEX (1w) game time coverage. Don't paint yourself in a corner (again), CCP! << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >>
ApexDynamo Hazardous Wormhole Rebels 11	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:22:37 - [129] - Quote This is probally the dumbest thing ive read all day We are going to change 1 plex into 500 plex but will still cost 500 plex for a 1 month sub, So whats the point in changeing it then? item inventory vault 2,700 plex is 5.6B isk you can already get that with 5 plex without clicking quick sell so agen What's the point in changeing it. I do not see any logical factor behind changeing something to a different number when it will still cost the 500 for a 1 month like the 1 month = 1 plex already is :/
Krieg Austern 46	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:26:54 - [130] - Quote ApexDynamo wrote: This is probally the dumbest thing ive read all day We are going to change 1 plex into 500 plex but will still cost 500 plex for a 1 month sub, So whats the point in changeing it then To remove AUR, and replace it with PLEX, meaning they need a smaller measure.

Cholly Chi Acme Entropy 9	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:27:52 - [131] - Quote ApexDynamo wrote: This is probally the dumbest thing ive read all day We are going to change 1 plex into 500 plex but will still cost 500 plex for a 1 month sub, So whats the point in changeing it then? item inventory vault 2,700 plex is 5.6B isk you can already get that with 5 plex without clicking quick sell so agen What's the point in changeing it. I do not see any logical factor behind changeing something to a different number when it will still cost the 500 for a 1 month like the 1 month = 1 plex already is :/ It eliminates Aurum which needlessly complicates CCPs life, allowing Plex to be used in the New Eden market place. And ultimately the same isk-value of Plex will buy one month's play time. What does it matter if you pay for a month's game time with 500 one Plex bills or one?
TigerXtrm KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1883	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:30:47 - [132] - Quote Will somebody answer that goddamn phone?! Because I ******* called it. About time, too, CCP. Took your sweet time on that one. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Tetsel Heretic Army Circle-Of-Two 296	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:34:09 - [133] - Quote Quote: Q: Why are you only converting Aurum balances above 1000? A: A large portion of the total Aurum stockpile is in small balances left over from past giveaways and by not converting those small balances we mitigate risk of oversupply in the PLEX market That's basically stealing... thx CCP My Aur balance is below 1000 but that's some paid Aur. FC what do ? Loyal servent to Mother Amamake. @EVE_Tetsel Another Bittervet Please Ignore
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 3201	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:37:44 - [134] - Quote Querns wrote: Terminal Insanity wrote: pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt. - infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters! obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day? i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30? Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time. It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing. They might do 3 month for 1400 or similar discount later on like they do on multi-month subs.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp 276	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:41:44 - [135] - Quote Why not convert PLEX to its AUR equivalent and call it a day? PLEX has its material meaning to its name. Diverting it is going to be confusing to everybody. Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Shkiki MastersCraft 6	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:42:01 - [136] - Quote This is a good change. Everything in eve stays the same, we can blow up people and loot plex from it, we can spend it on game time all the same, and aurum conversions are simpler and more straight forward. Turns out, CCP can make decent decisions when we keep Foozie out of the captains chair.
esquimo leviticus ACE Trucking Co. 6	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:42:42 - [137] - Quote So on the three accounts that I have 690, 50 and 60 Aur i'm just going to lose that amount??? It may not be much but that is one hell of a lot of assets CCP are just ditching from the game, not a fan for that reason. You's need to convert all amounts of Aur, am guessing you remember the monocle incident????
Cearain Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing 1505	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:45:51 - [138] - Quote Querns wrote: Terminal Insanity wrote: pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt. - infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters! obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day? i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30? Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time. It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing. "We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days. With that in mind, our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 Plex from CCP will instead require 500 Plex." This seems to suggest you can get smaller than 30 days time. On the other hand nothing suggests it will be 30 days or nothing. CCP will lose allot of money if they allow smaller than 30 days time. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
TigerXtrm KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1884	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:46:13 - [139] - Quote Two questions for whichever dev reads this: 1. I assume the PLEX rewards in the recruitment system will get an equal conversion and will give out 500 PLEX in the future? 2. Why go with the PLEX name and not the Aurum name? Aurum makes much more sense as a name for microtransaction currency. PLEX is just... meh. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 65	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:49:36 - [140] - Quote Dont act like idiots, all that (99%) plex tanked ships were RTM same with injectors etc; The change is just stupid. So every bought plex would change for 500plex? Wtf? For what a reason?

Sullen Decimus Polaris Rising The Bastion 62	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:53:22 - [141] - Quote Allsales Final wrote: Sullen Decimus wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? What do you mean "what"? It is all quite odd. Announce a game changing policy on an arbitrary Thursday afternoon and hope the impact is minimized? It was leaked. What information are you gathering that it was leaked. Point me to the evidence you are referencing. CSM XI Member Twitter: Sullen_Decimus Tweetfleet: @sullen_decimus Sullen Decimus for CSM XII
Montecore Qubaal 15 Minute Outliers 11	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:53:36 - [142] - Quote Please do not call this new currency PLEX. PLEX is not a currency. PLEX mean 30 days of game time. Changing that makes things very confusing and ugly. Also think about all the blogs and other material out there that references 1 PLEX as 30 days of game time. I feel ripped off that I will receive nothing for the 750 Aurum I got from buying the premium starter pack.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 3201	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:53:55 - [143] - Quote Cearain wrote: Querns wrote: Terminal Insanity wrote: pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt. - infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters! obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day? i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30? Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time. It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing. "We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days. With that in mind, our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 Plex from CCP will instead require 500 Plex." This seems to suggest you can get smaller than 30 days time. On the other hand nothing suggests it will be 30 days or nothing. CCP will lose allot of money if they allow smaller than 30 days time. Smaller amount for service could also be unrelated to game time. What if they decide to ask for 250 for character remodel because it so very little used now for example?
Sullen Decimus Polaris Rising The Bastion 62	Posted - 2017.03.16 17:56:37 - [144] - Quote ApexDynamo wrote: This is probally the dumbest thing ive read all day We are going to change 1 plex into 500 plex but will still cost 500 plex for a 1 month sub, So whats the point in changeing it then? item inventory vault 2,700 plex is 5.6B isk you can already get that with 5 plex without clicking quick sell so agen What's the point in changeing it. I do not see any logical factor behind changeing something to a different number when it will still cost the 500 for a 1 month like the 1 month = 1 plex already is :/ Because everything can be purchased with PLEX instead of having to deal with aurum............. CSM XI Member Twitter: Sullen_Decimus Tweetfleet: @sullen_decimus Sullen Decimus for CSM XII
Kyttn Forging Industries Silent Infinity 11	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:02:01 - [145] - Quote "Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000? A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX." Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here
MoonDragn ZiTek 15	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:02:56 - [146] - Quote Relvin Krirtel wrote: I have issue with in these proposed changes in that PLEX will be safe to access anywhere without risk of transport. There is a wide spectrum of players in the game. You see a great deal who are at times very ignorant of game mechanics. One of the most beautiful aspects of this sandbox is that the consequences of bad decisions are real. It appears that CCP does not want to alienate those who are both ignorant (for whatever excuse) and who also feel justified in that they should be insulated from risk because they have spent money. The PLEX vault should also not be in the inventory window. For me this takes away from the immersive experience of playing EVE in that I don't want to stare at real world associated money transactions while inside New Eden. I know it is available. I just don't need to see it that frequently. It would be nicer to put any changes into the neocom menu. Think of it this way, your potential victim will buy a brand spanking new ship that his new plex just brought him and fly out carelessly into low/null sec where you get to gank him for real this time. Win for CCP because the plex was purchased, the newbie got to fly his new ship, abet for a short time, and your gankers got to gank a newbie. No plex was gotten in the cannister so the ganker loses out on a free subscription. More $ for CCP.
Roland Schlosser Abyssal Heavy Industries 22	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:03:05 - [147] - Quote After years of trying to kill the price of PLEX on the market, CCP has finally found a winning formula. The only reason they're doing this is to make the barrier to subbing lower for those casuals they so desperately want playing EVE
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 6229	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:03:29 - [148] - Quote Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This. Reducing needless complexity makes sense, adding needless complexity on top of it does not. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Adolf Mekansm Tardigrade 28	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:03:36 - [149] - Quote CCP Phantom wrote: . We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX. This is absolutly illegal in almost every country in the world for every players that have paid for these aurum If you do that, i'll start a class action and sue you to the european court for theft.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 6229	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:04:35 - [150] - Quote Roland Schlosser wrote: After years of trying to kill the price of PLEX on the market, CCP has finally found a winning formula. The only reason they're doing this is to make the barrier to subbing lower for those casuals they so desperately want playing EVE And this is bad how? "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6556	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:05:38 - [151] - Quote Kyttn wrote: "Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000? A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX." Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here 7 aurum will become 1 plex. so 1050 aurum is 150 plex. They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000 Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6558	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:06:39 - [152] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This. Reducing needless complexity makes sense, adding needless complexity on top of it does not. You will only be able to get game time in 30 day chunks. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Kyttn Forging Industries Silent Infinity 11	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:09:10 - [153] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Kyttn wrote: "Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000? A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX." Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here 7 aurum will become 1 plex. so 1050 aurum is 150 plex. They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000 Ah, I see. Thank you
Cearain Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing 1505	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:10:17 - [154] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Cearain wrote: Querns wrote: Terminal Insanity wrote: pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt. - infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters! obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day? i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30? Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time. It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing. "We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days. With that in mind, our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 Plex from CCP will instead require 500 Plex." This seems to suggest you can get smaller than 30 days time. On the other hand nothing suggests it will be 30 days or nothing. CCP will lose allot of money if they allow smaller than 30 days time. Smaller amount for service could also be unrelated to game time. What if they decide to ask for 250 for character remodel because it so very little used now for example? I agree it could mean that. But they specifically reference the time 30 days. And that suggests they will do smaller amounts of time. Hopefully they won't do that. As you and I both agree they will lose allot of money if they do. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Eleonora Crendraven Global Communications AG 108	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:11:02 - [155] - Quote " The PLEX Vault will allow you to move PLEX safely throughout the universe rather than having to move it in a ship. It will still be possible to carry it in a ship like any other item if you want, so if you have an urge to fill a shuttle full of PLEX and tour low sec just drag PLEX out of the vault and into your cargo and youGÇÖre good to go. We know how much you love it when ships blow up with piles of PLEX inside, we even might understand why, but, we also donGÇÖt want new PLEX users to be losing their PLEX before they can trade it because they didnGÇÖt know how to get to market safely." I like people who have to move PLEX in a ship. I think I am not the only one. Moving around large amounts of cash should be risky. And a very good reason to use your brain. So please, NOOOOO https://twitter.com/gcAG_EVE http://eveboard.com/pilot/Eleonora_Crendraven GëíGïüGëí "The prince of darkness is a gentleman. (3.4.148) "
Cearain Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing 1505	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:13:27 - [156] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This. Reducing needless complexity makes sense, adding needless complexity on top of it does not. You will only be able to get game time in 30 day chunks. That is far from clear from the actual public dev blog. Do you say this based on your csm discussions? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Cearain Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing 1505	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:16:05 - [157] - Quote Sullen Decimus wrote: Allsales Final wrote: Sullen Decimus wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? What do you mean "what"? It is all quite odd. Announce a game changing policy on an arbitrary Thursday afternoon and hope the impact is minimized? It was leaked. What information are you gathering that it was leaked. Point me to the evidence you are referencing. It looks like the price of plex went up pretty sharply the last 3 days after holding steady for months. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 3202	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:21:36 - [158] - Quote Cearain wrote: Sullen Decimus wrote: Allsales Final wrote: Sullen Decimus wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? What do you mean "what"? It is all quite odd. Announce a game changing policy on an arbitrary Thursday afternoon and hope the impact is minimized? It was leaked. What information are you gathering that it was leaked. Point me to the evidence you are referencing. It looks like the price of plex went up pretty sharply the last 3 days after holding steady for months. Could be carrier/super raters getting more afktar online because they can't bother to be more active on their carrier/super. Could be rorq pilots replacing their "nerfed into oblivion" rorq with a barge/exhumer fleet.
Graz3r Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:25:32 - [159] - Quote Firstly, CCP Seagull, you need a better hair do. It's not sassy enough. This is just another way to put the full plex price out of control. It's hovering in the region of 1b to 1.2b. But the prices of all the items will go up, and thus cost more than a full plex. Is this genuinely a cost control method, or just to stop bank robbers from controlling the market? Not sure any method ccp initiates will work in eve when it comes to cost control.
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 1299	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:27:29 - [160] - Quote @Cearain @CSM guy and @Frostys Virpio We'll honestly never know, plus I'm sure there's far bigger fish to fry for our Eve playing career / CSM I think they should put the PLEX points in the wallet. Glad that Aurum is going away.. this is much simpler. @lunettelulu7

Nosum Hseebnrido Interregnum. 13	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:28:38 - [161] - Quote In my opinion, this change is simply stupid and unnecessary. 1 plex will equal 500 plex, with will equal 30 days. So everyone who want to use it to extend sub will have to spend exactly same amount of ISK in order to get 500p and tranfer them into sub. Where is the logic? Just stop with this idiotic game 'simplification'. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Nosum_Hseebnrido
Roland Schlosser Abyssal Heavy Industries 22	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:31:25 - [162] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Roland Schlosser wrote: After years of trying to kill the price of PLEX on the market, CCP has finally found a winning formula. The only reason they're doing this is to make the barrier to subbing lower for those casuals they so desperately want playing EVE And this is bad how? Casuals are always bad.
SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:32:07 - [163] - Quote Cearain wrote: It looks like the price of plex went up pretty sharply the last 3 days after holding steady for months. That's one area. Take note of extractors. Volumes pulled. Injectors is always more tricky, thanks to the madness of Perimeter Trade Wars. There's a set of very interesting correlations, both through behavioural patterns as well as over the statistical analysis angle. When those get upset it's usually a good sign of a cleanup but that follows a very different softer curve. This is way more like previous incidents. But as I said, who knows, could be CSM, some other avenue, maybe someone applied some finance bpm to CCP - whichever the case, in EVE it usually comes down to "help where's that SEC"
Julian Aldurald Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 20	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:33:09 - [164] - Quote I think this is a good change technically but I'd way prefer the PLEXto be presented in a less dominand way than in the items window like that. Maybe in the character sheet or by the wallet but the items window is one of the core features you work with all of the time and having PLEX in there in such a dominant manner makes the game feel way more pay to win than it is actually trying to be.
IcyMidnight Nobody in Local Of Sound Mind 11	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:35:11 - [165] - Quote Now that the NES store currency can be liquid and people can sell the excess, are you guys going to stop doing that disgusting thing of pricing the NES store items at values that are difficult to divide evenly into currency packs?
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 3202	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:36:46 - [166] - Quote Nosum Hseebnrido wrote: In my opinion, this change is simply stupid and unnecessary. 1 plex will equal 500 plex, with will equal 30 days. So everyone who want to use it to extend sub will have to spend exactly same amount of ISK in order to get 500p and tranfer them into sub. Where is the logic? Just stop with this idiotic game 'simplification'. Because it mean they can delete a currency from the game universe. Aurums are gone. Every service/items they sell will now sell for variable amount of PLEX. They can now implement services at a cost lower than a "full PLEX" without going through a separate currency.
Unandi Nokana Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:37:46 - [167] - Quote maybe somebody already pointed it out but: Quote: We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days. -snip- Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages.
Jack Oat Brothers In Arms. SOLAR FLEET 2	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:42:57 - [168] - Quote Lets say i have 800 AUR Will i be able to exchange it for plex ? Please make it possible.
Nosum Hseebnrido Interregnum. 13	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:45:14 - [169] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Nosum Hseebnrido wrote: In my opinion, this change is simply stupid and unnecessary. 1 plex will equal 500 plex, with will equal 30 days. So everyone who want to use it to extend sub will have to spend exactly same amount of ISK in order to get 500p and tranfer them into sub. Where is the logic? Just stop with this idiotic game 'simplification'. Because it mean they can delete a currency from the game universe. Aurums are gone. Every service/items they sell will now sell for variable amount of PLEX. They can now implement services at a cost lower than a "full PLEX" without going through a separate currency. They could adjust how much aurum you get for one plex, and add game time token in to aurum store. Problem solve. No need to turn everything upsidedown. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Nosum_Hseebnrido
Jackie Fisher Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate 519	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:47:31 - [170] - Quote So CCP are taking my 90 Aur and giving me nothing in return? That was my pension fund you robbing bastards Fear God and Thread Nought

Nosum Hseebnrido Interregnum. 13	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:47:40 - [171] - Quote Jack Oat wrote: Lets say i have 800 AUR Will i be able to exchange it for plex ? Please make it possible. No, you need at least 1000 AUR in order to get them transfer in to new plex system(with ratio 7:1). http://eveboard.com/pilot/Nosum_Hseebnrido
Ben Ishikela 83	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:48:26 - [172] - Quote Quote: For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX. Does this mean a profit of 45 plex for odd numbers? Ideas are like Seeds. I'd chop fullgrown trees to start a fire.
Skully Luv Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:51:26 - [173] - Quote If CCP wants more people to subscribe how about they respect existing subscribers and not short them when "specials" come out for new subs.
nameloading Excognative Ignorance Short Bus Syndicate 5	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:53:19 - [174] - Quote CCP, what are you guys thinking at present with these changes? the system is cumber sum? so lets change everything to base 500 instead. cause that wont cause confusion one bit. if you guys are having issues explaining how an exchange function works then maybe its on your teams side inability to communicate how this function works. idk maybe a simple chart could do it OR YOU COULD NOT HAVE IMPLEMENTED A SECOND CURRENCY AND BY PASSED THIS WHOLE SYSTEM. Ship skins could have been a perfect isk sink but instead you turned it into a cash grab. i am very very confused as to how this is supposed to make everyone life easier. for instance "you will need 500 new plex for 1 month of game time but this will allow us to sell plex at cheaper prices" so basically you will sell us 1/500th of a plex for pennies? but you'll still need around 14.99 for one plex right? cause ill very much doubt youll do this in a way that will make sure you are making less money off of this market. oh dont forget you can only activate for 30 days of game time. too. im willing to bet that you did not run this by the CSM. im not one to post to much because of my clear lack of ability for proper grammar and the likes but this can not happen CCP. for the love of BOB. THIS RANT BEING SAID I STILL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING ALL OF YOU IN ICELAND THIS YEAR.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 3203	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:53:48 - [175] - Quote Ben Ishikela wrote: Quote: For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX. Does this mean a profit of 45 plex for odd numbers? It's a conversion at 7 to one. If your current aurum is not over 1k and not a complete multiple of 7, I'd bet you will lose aurum and that will be the end of it.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2661	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:54:48 - [176] - Quote Cearain wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This. Reducing needless complexity makes sense, adding needless complexity on top of it does not. You will only be able to get game time in 30 day chunks. That is far from clear from the actual public dev blog. Do you say this based on your csm discussions? copy/paste from the blog Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages. but tl;dr am I right? selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141 @ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 3203	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:56:02 - [177] - Quote Skully Luv wrote: If CCP wants more people to subscribe how about they respect existing subscribers and not short them when "specials" come out for new subs. Pretty much every corporation treat new customers with offers only available if you are new. This isn't unique to CCP. It's actaully pretty standard in services sold for subscriptions.
beakerax Pator Tech School 305	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:56:28 - [178] - Quote 1000 seems easier to understand than 500GÇª
Tau Phoenix Eternal Darkness. Blades of Grass 93	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:57:52 - [179] - Quote So, where will this change end up going? Currently one PLEX is equal to 30 day of game time - Simple. By granulating this into a smaller commodity i can see the following happen: PLEX units will be a smaller nominal cost to purchase with RL Money. At first 500 PLEX units will = 30 days, then we will soon see 300 units = 14 days, 180 Units = 7 days. This can have its merits. My concern will be if CCP decide that next month we they will change the requirement to purchase 30 days of game time to say 550 units of PLEX, then 600 etc..... By having smaller PLEX commodities will give a greater control to manipulate the market, both in RL through the price to play the game and also the ingame markets as a consequence. This will be another defining moment in CCP's history when this hits.....lets hope its not another 'Monocle gate'.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2661	Posted - 2017.03.16 18:57:57 - [180] - Quote Nosum Hseebnrido wrote: In my opinion, this change is simply stupid and unnecessary. 1 plex will equal 500 plex, with will equal 30 days. So everyone who want to use it to extend sub will have to spend exactly same amount of ISK in order to get 500p and tranfer them into sub. Where is the logic? Just stop with this idiotic game 'simplification'. if I want to buy a skin, or injector, or whatever else people buy with AUR currently I have to buy one plex and convert to 3500 AUR, after I will buy x plex and buy my item and not have to deal in AUR selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141 @ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 3203	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:00:10 - [181] - Quote beakerax wrote: 1000 seems easier to understand than 500GÇª And then convert aurum at 1:3.5 ratio? There is a reason why they went with a divisor of 3500...
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 3203	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:01:33 - [182] - Quote Tau Phoenix wrote: So, where will this change end up going? Currently one PLEX is equal to 30 day of game time - Simple. By granulating this into a smaller commodity i can see the following happen: PLEX units will be a smaller nominal cost to purchase with RL Money. At first 500 PLEX units will = 30 days, then we will soon see 300 units = 14 days, 180 Units = 7 days. This can have its merits. My concern will be if CCP decide that next month we they will change the requirement to purchase 30 days of game time to say 550 units of PLEX, then 600 etc..... By having smaller PLEX commodities will give a greater control to manipulate the market, both in RL through the price to play the game and also the ingame markets as a consequence. This will be another defining moment in CCP's history when this hits.....lets hope its not another 'Monocle gate'. Oh noes!! CCP might raise it's price!!! It's been trucking at the same price through 13 years worth of RL inflation...
Drake Aihaken CODE.d 10	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:04:18 - [183] - Quote Someone on the CSM (etc.) leaked this infrmation. PLEX pices didn't just arbitrarily spike 200m ISK overnight "because". Even if the leak wasn't expressly stated it was certainly implied. No tinfoil or conspiracy, but you'd have to be an idiot not to recognize the extreme coincidence with the timing. I mean, that's fine. This won't be the first or last time certain alliances have benefited from advance knowledge on the CSM (etc.) so why should the vast majority of players expect anything differrent this time? This will be the last time I vote in the CSM and I hope it's finally abolished. ..... Insofar as the proposed PLEX changes are concerned, I'm fine with all of them except one: CCP's initial decision to not reimburse anyone below 1000 Aurum. I think the reasons stated are quite frankly ridiculous, and this is nothing more than a blatant attempt to squeeze in more Aurum sales for CCP and drive-up Aurum demand for resellers prior to the switch.
Ryoshu Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel 3	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:06:37 - [184] - Quote It's completely outrageous for CCP to effectively steal players' AURUM when they have less than a 1000. Presumably, they are doing this to make everyone with less than 1000 buy some more to get over the minimum requirements. CCPlease stop being money grabbing bastards.
lord kiritomaster griffin mission runners 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:08:09 - [185] - Quote CCP Phantom wrote: Changes are coming to PLEX, Aurum and the New Eden Store! Our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 PLEX from CCP will instead require 500 PLEX. We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX. Check out the blog for further info on this exciting change: PLEX Changes On The Way! Please note, these changes donGÇÖt have a set release date yet but will be coming to EVE Online this spring or early summer. are we still going to be able to donate plex to our allies in the game. because i use 3 accts and i only bluy plex on one
Phelt54 Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:11:47 - [186] - Quote Dividing up PLEX is only going to make PLEX more confusing. Players will need 500 PLEX to play for one month. A new person is going to be confused as to why they need 500 units of PLEX. These changes are simply to phase out Aurum. Peoples Aurum will be converted to PLEX and it will only be good for some game time. Why not let people just convert their Aurum to isk and use that isk to put towards the purchase of a PLEX? Keep the PLEX good for one month of game time. I really don't agree with many of the crazy changes CCP comes up with. Mining and industry pilots have been neutered. The changes to the mining barges are ludicrous. Why is the litle dinky procurer an invincible ship and the covetor is left weak? Why was all mining barges reduced to two strip miners. When I started mining years ago I mined in a destroyer. I was so thrilled when I could finally fly a retriever. When I upgraded to a covetor and had my hourly mining yield increase it felt empowering. The ship heiararchy in eve has small ships that are weak, but agile and fast moving. The different ship classes generally get better at their traits as they become larger, defenses increase and the ship becomes less agile and moves slower. There is a consistent skill training heirarchy to training to use the larger and more effective ships. The changes to the mining barges defy these principles. The changes to refining yields don't make any sense either. Why have refining yields been reduced to 60ish%? When people refine at a NPC station they're already taxed for the services. People who mine in low or null sec already have access to the really pricey ore and minerals. Why make it super difficult on the high sec miners? The changes to the mining yields might not have had any real market effect, besides driving up the isk prices of minerals. Why make it so that refining never yields more than 75% of what it used to?
virm pasuul The Congregation No Handlebars. 422	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:13:56 - [187] - Quote Will this change be applied to the Chinese server as well?
Drake Aihaken CODE.d 13	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:18:11 - [188] - Quote PLEX doesn't work for the New Eden store in its current form, Aurum is a third currency and you need a conversion for ship SKINs and (future) microtransactions. It's not really going to be that confusing. ISK will continue to be the in-game currency and the new PLEX will be the out-of-game currency that's safe, secure (new vault) and can be used to renew your subscription, resculpt your character, etc. You'll just need more of it - meaning the new PLEX will likely be sold in smaller increments going forward. We can expect to finally see the New Eden store overhauled, revamped and expanded with many new features and service offerings. I for one welcome our new Microtransaction Overlords.
Hirisho Presolana The Lone Wolfs 12	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:20:24 - [189] - Quote personally i like the idea of updating the system, but imho you guys got lost in the process.. beside being used as currency to exchange real money to isk, PLEX remains an item.. while AURUM is currency.. if the current system is confusing, this change will cause even more confusion.. also, it doesn't really match with possible updates to the clone states.. imho, it would be better to actually keep aurum (or call it differently), let players buy plexes using aurum as a common item, and add various type of plexes, allowing for more clone states. for example.. OMEGA plex will be as is.. BETA plex, costs less than a plex, let's you fly whatever you're trained for but cannot train new skills SPECIFIC CARRER PLEXES, let's you fly and train only specific type of ships depending on your career of choice.. etc.. in this sense, plexes becomes a family of items.. if you convert plexes in currency, ofc you can do the same, but it won't be less confusing..
Drake Aihaken CODE.d 13	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:22:34 - [190] - Quote virm pasuul wrote: Will this change be applied to the Chinese server as well? That's a good question. There was a thread on Reddit discussing the fact that the company that runs Serenity is approaching the end of their contract. How this impacts the new PLEX or what this potentially means for Tranquility is anyone's guess. In any event I'm not privy to enough information to be even able to speculate at this point.

Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp 277	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:26:48 - [191] - Quote We just thought. This could be a perfect scam. Contract one PLEX and say it's for an entire month. Why not? I'ts a PLEX, after all. Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Drake Aihaken CODE.d 13	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:27:45 - [192] - Quote Hirisho Presolana wrote: if the current system is confusing, this change will cause even more confusion.. Imho, it would be better to actually keep aurum (or call it differently), let players buy plexes using aurum as a common item, and add various type of plexes, allowing for more clone states for example.. OMEGA plex will be as is.. BETA plex, costs less than a plex, let's you fly whatever you're trained for but cannot train new skills SPECIFIC CARRER PLEXES, let's you fly and train only specific type of ships depending on your career of choice.. etc.. in this sense, plexes becomes a family of items. if you convert plexes in currency, ofc you can do the same, but it won't be less confusing.. Please re-read your suggestion and tell me how this is supposed to be less confusing? We can get rid of old PLEX and Aurum and replace it with 3 or more different type of PLEX - all of which will have unique values depending on how they are perceived by the market. *In short, no. Hll no. Burn this idea with fire no.** There are ideas and then there are just horrible bad, ill-conceived ones...
Hirisho Presolana The Lone Wolfs 12	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:37:20 - [193] - Quote Drake Aihaken wrote: Hirisho Presolana wrote: if the current system is confusing, this change will cause even more confusion.. for example.. OMEGA plex will be as is.. BETA plex, costs less than a plex, let's you fly whatever you're trained for but cannot train new skills SPECIFIC CARRER PLEXES, let's you fly and train only specific type of ships depending on your career of choice.. etc.. in this sense, plexes becomes a family of items. if you convert plexes in currency, ofc you can do the same, but it won't be less confusing.. Please re-read your suggestion and tell me how this is supposed to be less confusing? We can get rid of old PLEX and Aurum and replace it with 3 or more different type of PLEXes - all of which will have unique values depending on how they are perceived by the market. *In short, no. Hll no. Burn this idea with fire no.** they introduced clone states assuming there would've been "more" clone states in the future f i'm not wrong.. it's less confusing because to buy game time you buy an item that gives you game time.. an item that has a price and a value on the market.. An item that has a slot in a specific market page.. exactly as it works now, beside you need to buy aurum before buying plex.. but that's the reason why you have an "external currency".. otherwise one could buy SKINS directly in dollars.. but, hey, i'm not here to convice anyone, just throwing my 2 cent that, of course, can be crap
Kismeteer Bat Country Pandemic Legion 888	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:38:13 - [194] - Quote Are we have any of the questions in this thread answered by CCP or the CSM?
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 926	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:39:32 - [195] - Quote Disregard! I made a boo boo and wrote some non-sense When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Drago Shouna Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 719	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:40:34 - [196] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Kyttn wrote: "Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000? A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX." Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here 7 aurum will become 1 plex. so 1050 aurum is 150 plex. They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000 Really, and how about the 900 Aurum I bought for -ú3.99, i'm just supposed to suck it up and lose it? I'll bet, same as other on here that it's nowhere near legal. Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want." Welcome to EVE.
Hirisho Presolana The Lone Wolfs 12	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:43:03 - [197] - Quote Drago Shouna wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Kyttn wrote: "Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000? A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX." Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here 7 aurum will become 1 plex. so 1050 aurum is 150 plex. They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000 Really, and how about the 900 Aurum I bought for -ú3.99, i'm just supposed to suck it up and lose it? I'll bet, same as other on here that it's nowhere near legal. or you buy 2700 more aurum so you get a plex instead
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 926	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:44:04 - [198] - Quote Drago Shouna wrote: Really, and how about the 900 Aurum I bought for -ú3.99, i'm just supposed to suck it up and lose it? I'll bet, same as other on here that it's nowhere near legal. Buy a PLEX and turn it into Aurum? Use that Aurum to buy something from the NES? What CCP does is perfectly legal. Read the EULA that you agreed to when you created that EVE account. They only grant you a right of usage, not ownership of anything. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Aelavaine University of Caille Gallente Federation 106	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:45:49 - [199] - Quote Kismeteer wrote: Are we have any of the questions in this thread answered by CCP or the CSM? From my experiences with CCP the answer is a clear no. You want more than spinning ships? Support Avatar Gameplay!
Col Crunch Fancypants Inc Intrepid Crossing 14	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:50:22 - [200] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Drago Shouna wrote: Really, and how about the 900 Aurum I bought for -ú3.99, i'm just supposed to suck it up and lose it? I'll bet, same as other on here that it's nowhere near legal. Buy a PLEX and turn it into Aurum? Use that Aurum to buy something from the NES? What CCP does is perfectly legal. Read the EULA that you agreed to when you created that EVE account. They only grant you a right of usage, not ownership of anything. Um, no? Just buy a plex convert it to aurum, and leave it. 4400 AUR will STILL be converted to plex. You get your plex back, and the conversion of the extra 900. Unless there is something you really want from NES. As for legality, I assume they will stop AUR sales as we near release, bot for their sake, and because I am sure there is a grey area when it comes to selling someone something then taking it away the next day.

Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries 243	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:56:01 - [201] - Quote Don't care about 500 PLEX vs. 1 PLEX for 30 days of time. Same end result either way. Do care about the PLEX vault. There should not be any form of secure asset transfer in EVE. If you want to move any other item, even items far more valuable than a PLEX, you have to use a ship and be vulnerable in space. Why should a PLEX be any different? If you want to move it to a new location you should have to take the risk just like any other cargo. And if that means stupid people get ganked and lose their expensive cargo, well, everything working as intended IMO.
Drake Aihaken CODE.d 15	Posted - 2017.03.16 19:59:24 - [202] - Quote Kismeteer wrote: Are we have any of the questions in this thread answered by CCP or the CSM? Like... Who leaked the info on the new PLEX, for instance?
u3pog Caldari Provisions Caldari State 847	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:07:33 - [203] - Quote Phelt54@ - your character looks like Benedict Cumberbatch in Star Trek. /offtopic I remember CCP Falcon's posts regarding the safety of the Universe and he has always been behind the dangerous one. I don't think everyone in CCP shares the same enthusiasm behind every idea, but in every pool there is a bigger fish that sets things in motion. As for me, I don't mind both ideas. Gankers already have plenty of other things to fish for, they just lost the biggest fish that's all Whether I'd be calling it an omelette or fried eggs, 1 PLEX or 500 PLEX, nothing scary about that. P.S. I am waiting on the big news - player built gates, hopefully we'll hear the big plan in April.
Mokada Akiga Bah Weep Grah Na Weep Mini Bahm StarBlazers Alliance 3	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:07:56 - [204] - Quote This is just another way to milk MORE cash out of us players, nothing more. And to be honest, if 1 months of game play is 15 bucks, then 1 plex should also cost only 15 bucks. they equal are they not? Someone post a screen shot of the current plex pricing, mark my words, it will cost us more for the same we have been getting now.
Lavayar Russian SOBR Dream Fleet 305	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:10:32 - [205] - Quote Merin Ryskin wrote: Do care about the PLEX vault. There should not be any form of secure asset transfer in EVE. If you want to move any other item, even items far more valuable than a PLEX, you have to use a ship and be vulnerable in space. Why should a PLEX be any different? If you want to move it to a new location you should have to take the risk just like any other cargo. And if that means stupid people get ganked and lose their expensive cargo, well, everything working as intended IMO. Another one who didn't understood the change. PLEX will be no ingame item anymore. It'll be new premium currency. And "vault" is just premium wallet. Actually it can't be named "Pilot's License Extension" anymore. Everything else is fuss to hide the truth. And damn you CCP!
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt Dot Dot Dot 63	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:10:50 - [206] - Quote Mokada Akiga wrote: This is just another way to milk MORE cash out of us players, nothing more. And to be honest, if 1 months of game play is 15 bucks, then 1 plex should also cost only 15 bucks. they equal are they not? Someone post a screen shot of the current plex pricing, mark my words, it will cost us more for the same we have been getting now. Plex, unlike subscription, is able to be traded and sold for isk. You can't sell your sub for isk. Thats the way it was meant to be. As others have said, I'd like to see smaller time-allotments. It makes perfect sense, and with the new split I see no reason why not. If anything, this would benefit alphas. Being able to go omega for a small amount of time, or for an already omega to gift something to an alpha without spending over a billion.
Algarion Getz Aideron Corp 328	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:12:43 - [207] - Quote I like the change. Aurum always felt like a 5th wheel. Since you are making big changes to PLEX: Can you bring the price of a PLEX in line with the price of a 1 month subscription? At the moment, PLEX costs 20Gé¼, 1 month subscription costs 15Gé¼. Make them both cost 15Gé¼ please.
Col Crunch Fancypants Inc Intrepid Crossing 15	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:13:14 - [208] - Quote Mokada Akiga wrote: This is just another way to milk MORE cash out of us players, nothing more. And to be honest, if 1 months of game play is 15 bucks, then 1 plex should also cost only 15 bucks. they equal are they not? Someone post a screen shot of the current plex pricing, mark my words, it will cost us more for the same we have been getting now. Considering that plex has more uses than 1 month of game time, it therefore has more value and should cost more than a sub. However I do not expect this change to affect pricing.
Mokada Akiga Bah Weep Grah Na Weep Mini Bahm StarBlazers Alliance 3	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:15:13 - [209] - Quote i have current pricing saved, shame you can't add a picture to a post.
Drake Aihaken CODE.d 18	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:16:08 - [210] - Quote So when will we have access to exclusive paid ships and modules?

Mokada Akiga Bah Weep Grah Na Weep Mini Bahm StarBlazers Alliance 3	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:17:29 - [211] - Quote Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote: Mokada Akiga wrote: This is just another way to milk MORE cash out of us players, nothing more. And to be honest, if 1 months of game play is 15 bucks, then 1 plex should also cost only 15 bucks. they equal are they not? Someone post a screen shot of the current plex pricing, mark my words, it will cost us more for the same we have been getting now. Plex, unlike subscription, is able to be traded and sold for isk. You can't sell your sub for isk. Thats the way it was meant to be. As others have said, I'd like to see smaller time-allotments. It makes perfect sense, and with the new split I see no reason why not. If anything, this would benefit alphas. Being able to go omega for a small amount of time, or for an already omega to gift something to an alpha without spending over a billion. That's the market place, you could always just purchase a plex with RLM and then gift it to that person. My guess for no attachments is so payers can't post stuff from CCP screws us over.
SyD Apolony The Synaptic Cleft 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:20:26 - [212] - Quote The Aur -> PLEX idea, i can live with, I agree with many here that the golden vault of happiness is a bit over the top, you are now forcing an interface change that puts you into the same category of many steam Pay-to win games that dont need to be named. however the biggest thing i would argue against the vault, ...DID CCP not JUST condemn doing a similar action within citadels, an exploit of the game? so you found an exploit where players could instamove things between citadels and thought, hey Lets hammer ban people for doing this, but lets also use it as a way to transport the most risky item in the game. I jsut found it ironic its basically the same mechanic you deemed an exploit recently. +1 to adjusting prices of PLEX though, if you are going to granularize it so much, why not bring it into a closer relationship vs. price with a paid monthly sub? Edit: next we will see kill mails with "gold" ammo and ships with no repair fees and infinite ammo that can only be bought with RMT. just think entire fleets of golden immortal corvettes run by angsty alpha clones
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries 243	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:21:34 - [213] - Quote Lavayar wrote: Another one who didn't understood the change. PLEX will be no ingame item anymore. It'll be new premium currency. And "vault" is just premium wallet. Actually it can't be named "Pilot's License Extension" anymore. Everything else is fuss to hide the truth. Oh, I understand it, and I disagree with it. PLEX is just fine as an in-game item and it should stay that way.
Col Crunch Fancypants Inc Intrepid Crossing 15	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:21:49 - [214] - Quote SyD Apolony wrote: The Aur -> PLEX idea, i can live with, I agree with many here that the golden vault of happiness is a bit over the top, you are now forcing an interface change that puts you into the same category of many steam Pay-to win games that dont need to be named. however the biggest thing i would argue against the vault, ...DID CCP not JUST condemn doing a similar action within citadels, an exploit of the game? so you found an exploit where players could instamove things between citadels and thought, hey Lets hammer ban people for doing this, but lets also use it as a way to transport the most risky item in the game. I jsut found it ironic its basically the same mechanic you deemed an exploit recently. +1 to adjusting prices of PLEX though, if you are going to granularize it so much, why not bring it into a closer relationship vs. price with a paid monthly sub? Where is the mention of a price adjustment?
SyD Apolony The Synaptic Cleft 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:23:36 - [215] - Quote Col Crunch wrote: SyD Apolony wrote: The Aur -> PLEX idea, i can live with, I agree with many here that the golden vault of happiness is a bit over the top, you are now forcing an interface change that puts you into the same category of many steam Pay-to win games that dont need to be named. however the biggest thing i would argue against the vault, ...DID CCP not JUST condemn doing a similar action within citadels, an exploit of the game? so you found an exploit where players could instamove things between citadels and thought, hey Lets hammer ban people for doing this, but lets also use it as a way to transport the most risky item in the game. I jsut found it ironic its basically the same mechanic you deemed an exploit recently. +1 to adjusting prices of PLEX though, if you are going to granularize it so much, why not bring it into a closer relationship vs. price with a paid monthly sub? Where is the mention of a price adjustment? apologies it was not in OP, it was in a post by Algarion Getz a few posts back ;) I should have quoted sorry ;)
Kharn Gorechild KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:27:53 - [216] - Quote Excessive Microtransactions incoming. Watch them start selling plex at 400units a pop so you have to buy 2 for a month's worth of time
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 3204	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:30:01 - [217] - Quote Kharn Gorechild wrote: Excessive Microtransactions incoming. Watch them start selling plex at 400units a pop so you have to buy 2 for a month's worth of time Who the hell buy PLEX with RL money to get a month of game time?
Alderson Point Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:33:50 - [218] - Quote Manic Velocity wrote: I like the idea of unifying PLEX and Aurum, and the concept of making PLEX more granular in how it is bought and sold. These two things really simplify the mental gymnastics of how PLEX can be used. Good stuff there. But I absolutely DO NOT like the concept of the PLEX Vault. This completely eliminates the risk/reward aspect of moving PLEX throughout the cluster, which will cause all PLEX prices to be completely stable across New Eden. The PLEX Vault treats PLEX as a unique item which is always safe unless the player is exceptionally stupid. And that's not how EVE works. Destruction is vital to the sandbox, and the PLEX Vault reduces the chance of PLEX being destroyed to nearly zero. The PLEX Vault feels like a hand-holding feature created specifically for newbros and Alphas who couldn't be bothered to do the bare minimum of research before purchasing PLEX. I get that CCP wants to invite and retain new players, but don't do it by babying them. It's insulting to their intelligence, and it will only serve to give them the wrong impression. EVE is not a place where you or your assets should feel 100% safe, EVE is not 100% fair, and that's exactly what makes the game worth playing. Think of it logically, Imagine if you had to carry all your isk around with you all the time, sure a gold mine for gankers, but it would basically be an awful mechanic. Why should game time be any different? Because new players will either see it as gametime or to convert to isk Just because It was, does not mean it must always remain so. This is a good and logical move, even though some will feel cheated out of the occasional big payday.
Col Crunch Fancypants Inc Intrepid Crossing 15	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:34:16 - [219] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Kharn Gorechild wrote: Excessive Microtransactions incoming. Watch them start selling plex at 400units a pop so you have to buy 2 for a month's worth of time Who the hell buy PLEX with RL money to get a month of game time? This person
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt Dot Dot Dot 63	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:34:20 - [220] - Quote Kharn Gorechild wrote: Excessive Microtransactions incoming. Watch them start selling plex at 400units a pop so you have to buy 2 for a month's worth of time If you're buying plex from CCP to pay your sub, then you deserve to be ripped off.

Myriad Blaze Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda 457	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:37:29 - [221] - Quote Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This is an excellent idea. It helps to explain PLEX and its value to new players: 1 PLEX is equivalent to 1 hour of game play. CCP currently has no plans regarding smaller game time packages than 30 days. By converting current PLEX to 720 units CCP would keep the option to change their minds, while a conversion to 500 units would limit their choices in that regard. Increasing the granularity slighly more should also make it easier to set good prices in the shop in the long run. Going for the 1 PLEX = 1 hour ratio would be elegant, whereas a 1 PLEX = 1,44 hours = 1h, 26min, 24s conversion is... less sophisticated.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries 243	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:44:44 - [222] - Quote Alderson Point wrote: Think of it logically, Imagine if you had to carry all your isk around with you all the time, sure a gold mine for gankers, but it would basically be an awful mechanic. Why should game time be any different? Because, unlike ISK, PLEX is a trading commodity. You buy and sell it on the market, you can invest in it and hope to sell for more at a later time, you can attempt to play the market taking advantage of price differences in different locations, etc. None of that happens with ISK.
SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 1	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:44:53 - [223] - Quote Myriad Blaze wrote: Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This is an excellent idea. It helps to explain PLEX and its value to new players: 1 PLEX is equivalent to 1 hour of game play. CCP currently has no plans regarding smaller game time packages than 30 days. By converting current PLEX to 720 units CCP would keep the option to change their minds, while a conversion to 500 units would limit their choices in that regard. Increasing the granularity slighly more should also make it easier to set good prices in the shop in the long run. Going for the 1 PLEX = 1 hour ratio would be elegant, whereas a 1 PLEX = 1,44 hours = 1h, 26min, 24s conversion is... less sophisticated. It would certainly avoid a few pitfalls and particularly some new player perception problems. Question is whether it would fit with CCP's metrics. Now if CCP were to engage in a bit of conversation on this, you could exchange viewpoints - always handy. We'll see. Right now this all is up in the air anyway.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6558	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:53:25 - [224] - Quote Kismeteer wrote: Are we have any of the questions in this thread answered by CCP or the CSM? I've answered some? Granted, they could have been answered by someone who actually read the blog, but I've answered. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 1	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:57:56 - [225] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Kismeteer wrote: Are we have any of the questions in this thread answered by CCP or the CSM? I've answered some? Granted, they could have been answered by someone who actually read the blog, but I've answered. Some questions, sure - others, not so much That said, yes, reading both blog and comment thread helps
Elizabeth Norn Nornir Research Nornir Empire 1028	Posted - 2017.03.16 20:59:09 - [226] - Quote Please test for all possible locations of PLEX so we don't lose them, and please don't put them impound like you did with fighters (market / corporation deliveries exists . It won't be fun when you get a petition from me saying that my PLEX in asset safety/wraps, ship cargos, active/expired contracts, market orders, or any of the above in corp assets have gone missing. While I don't appreciate the loss of the PLEX regional arbitrage market, or killmails, I understand why you're doing, but I'd much prefer those to stay and a decent warning given. Free 3rd party services 21 day trial, you keep the whole PLEX
Klyith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 178	Posted - 2017.03.16 21:08:01 - [227] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Kharn Gorechild wrote: Excessive Microtransactions incoming. Watch them start selling plex at 400units a pop so you have to buy 2 for a month's worth of time Who the hell buy PLEX with RL money to get a month of game time? At some times it's been cheaper for Euros to buy a time code from a US reseller than to sub directly, but that's more about IRL currency variation than anything germane to this thread.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2661	Posted - 2017.03.16 21:14:53 - [228] - Quote Klyith wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Kharn Gorechild wrote: Excessive Microtransactions incoming. Watch them start selling plex at 400units a pop so you have to buy 2 for a month's worth of time Who the hell buy PLEX with RL money to get a month of game time? At some times it's been cheaper for Euros to buy a time code from a US reseller than to sub directly, but that's more about IRL currency variation than anything germane to this thread. and tax evasion selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141 @ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Phoenix Risn Flame of the Phoenix 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 21:22:14 - [229] - Quote So if you DON'T have over 1000 Aurum, it just disappears forever?
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 3205	Posted - 2017.03.16 21:29:30 - [230] - Quote Myriad Blaze wrote: Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This is an excellent idea. It helps to explain PLEX and its value to new players: 1 PLEX is equivalent to 1 hour of game play. CCP currently has no plans regarding smaller game time packages than 30 days. By converting current PLEX to 720 units CCP would keep the option to change their minds, while a conversion to 500 units would limit their choices in that regard. Increasing the granularity slighly more should also make it easier to set good prices in the shop in the long run. Going for the 1 PLEX = 1 hour ratio would be elegant, whereas a 1 PLEX = 1,44 hours = 1h, 26min, 24s conversion is... less sophisticated. LOL if you think they would sell game time in smaller unit at the same cost ratio.

Moonlit Raid State War Academy Caldari State 318	Posted - 2017.03.16 21:39:17 - [231] - Quote I'm a little unclear on this particular point. The dev blog states this : - Quote: Q: Why are you only converting Aurum balances above 1000? A: A large portion of the total Aurum stockpile is in small balances left over from past giveaways and by not converting those small balances we mitigate risk of oversupply in the PLEX market Having topped up my Aurum several times from real cash monies, by an amount as close to what I intend to spend my balances on all my accounts are always below 1000. My options are: - 1. Lose Aurum I've paid for. [3500 is the amount I recall being gifted, why not cull 3500 from every account?] 2. Front more cash to ensure I don't lose any Aurum. [creating more of the new plex than I would have had] [scoffs] If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Jeven HouseBenyo Vanity Thy Name Is 430	Posted - 2017.03.16 21:39:26 - [232] - Quote Phoenix Risn wrote: So if you DON'T have over 1000 Aurum, it just disappears forever? My problems with this. By going this route CCP takes back without any type of substitution or compensation one of December Holiday Thingy 2016's 'gifts'. Since plans of this magnitude don't just happen overnight, or even in a handful of months, why was Aurum given to the customer base, knowing much of it would be snatched away with the next Shiny Idea! coming down the pipe? That's some shoddy customer service, if this Plex500 plan was known about before the 300 Aurum was handed out. If there's already a program to convert 1000+ Aurum stashes over to these new Mini-Plex, why not totals of 999 and less? Why take from what could be a lot of Alpaca accounts something that was given, supposedly no strings (outside ToS/EULA rules) attached? Once again, not quality customer interaction. Or at least offer a one-time transfer of Aurum to one account to another so there's a chance to crack this magic 1000 Aurum number? Since I can't transfer several alt accounts of 300Aur over to my main's Aur total at this time? I'm not going to spend several $5 bills to get each of those accounts over a 1000 threshold. Why? Same reason I don't leave tips for bad service IRL. I only reward Good behaviors with extra moneys. >Jeven's Keyboardist Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel. 'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises. Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup. Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Col Crunch Fancypants Inc Intrepid Crossing 15	Posted - 2017.03.16 21:47:01 - [233] - Quote Myriad Blaze wrote: Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This is an excellent idea. It helps to explain PLEX and its value to new players: 1 PLEX is equivalent to 1 hour of game play. CCP currently has no plans regarding smaller game time packages than 30 days. By converting current PLEX to 720 units CCP would keep the option to change their minds, while a conversion to 500 units would limit their choices in that regard. Increasing the granularity slighly more should also make it easier to set good prices in the shop in the long run. Going for the 1 PLEX = 1 hour ratio would be elegant, whereas a 1 PLEX = 1,44 hours = 1h, 26min, 24s conversion is... less sophisticated. Reasons not to do this: 1. It allows proration to be inherently inefficient, making more money, and keeping plex prices high 2. Round numbers are nice, and 500 is much nicer to work with than 720. 3. On the sale page, the jump from 500 to 1000 looks nice (again round numbers always look better)
Capqu ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1278	Posted - 2017.03.16 21:52:04 - [234] - Quote i purchased the 900 AUR bundle at some point and i've been sitting on most of it until a skin i want shows up can i get a refund or what? since it's not getting converted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
VooDoo SpyDR Hogyoku Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 21:53:44 - [235] - Quote Of all the issues in EVE, this is the one you feel needs fixed? Your efforts in this matter would have been so much better spent in one of the other myriad of game issues. Your "Good Idea Fairy" is broken and a kick in the teeth is the only thing that'll work. What a colossal waste of time.
Klyith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 178	Posted - 2017.03.16 21:58:10 - [236] - Quote Moonlit Raid wrote: I'm a little unclear on this particular point. The dev blog states this : - Quote: Q: Why are you only converting Aurum balances above 1000? A: A large portion of the total Aurum stockpile is in small balances left over from past giveaways and by not converting those small balances we mitigate risk of oversupply in the PLEX market Having topped up my Aurum several times from real cash monies, by an amount as close to what I intend to spend my balances on all my accounts are always below 1000. My options are: - 1. Lose Aurum I've paid for. [3500 is the amount I recall being gifted, why not cull 3500 from every account?] 2. Front more cash to ensure I don't lose any Aurum. [creating more of the new plex than I would have had] [scoffs] 3. break an additional plex into aurum just before the changeover though #2 isn't a terrible option. the $50 Aurum pack will convert to just over 1500 nu-plex, which is a better deal than most of the plex packs. If you're in the habit of buying a plex now and then that's close to plex sale prices.
Sp3ktr3 Unicorn Rampage 48	Posted - 2017.03.16 22:00:04 - [237] - Quote I recommend making a plex into 720 units instead of 500. That makes it an even 1 hour of game time per plex unit.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1501	Posted - 2017.03.16 22:09:52 - [238] - Quote Carneros wrote: Let a brand new player get established and informed of risks first. What risks? They all get removed form the game one by one. Remove standings and insurance.
Drake Aihaken CODE.d 29	Posted - 2017.03.16 22:14:27 - [239] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: I've answered some? Granted, they could have been answered by someone who actually read the blog, but I've answered. If it's later determined that someone on the CSM leaked this so others could speculate in the PLEX market, will you support abolishing the CSM?
mkint 1609	Posted - 2017.03.16 22:15:43 - [240] - Quote Wouldn't it makes sense from a not-robbing-people point of view to put NES orders that convert aur to nuplex? Let them technically exist side by side. It lowers the urgency factor that will drive down the value of NES items from fire sales. It would let some of that aur expire, maybe even more than otherwise would have. Is there a reason why this isn't already the default plan? I've been losing a lot of respect for CCP lately. Feels like you've been doing nothing but sloppy work for a while now. 2nd time in recent memory you've tried to literally rob your own customers (not counting deliberately creating fotm's to pad your resumes, or just random incompetence.) Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels Solitaire. 195	Posted - 2017.03.16 22:18:54 - [241] - Quote Wtf. So what happens to the 300 Aurum from Christmas I've been saving for a cheap skin. All the skins are always 400 for the ships i like so I can't use it for anything because the stores too expensive. What am I supposed to with it Now? Waste it on a pair of pants or something before the time runs out?
Redo Jorias Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 22:20:47 - [242] - Quote Overall I really like the idea. As someone who buys things from the NES the triple currency is a major pain in the ass and will be glad to see it condensed into just two currencies. My only real comments are: 1) Please dear god make 1 month be 1000 plex not 500. Having a base of 1000 just makes the maths simple and everyones lives easier in terms of doing conversions on the fly. The cynic in me says your intention is to make this harder on purpose so that people are less aware of how much they are actually spending. I do pray you will go ahead with the solution that is easiest and best for your players not the bottom line. 2) The removal of amounts of Aurum less than 1000 is just wrong. I appreciate the logic behind it and the desire not to destabilise the PLEX market but the current implementation is the wrong way to do it. Some of those AURUM amounts may be the remainders from peoples transactions which they paid for themselves , i.e. not just holiday gift amounts, which you are essentially robbing from them in return. This is more frustrating when you consider you have priced your AURUM store deliberately such that transactions are never multiples of the amounts of AURUM you can buy in order to get just that little bit more from each player/transaction. Overall I am indifferent about the special safety for PLEX. I don't have access to CCP data, but if the claims that PLEX loss drives away players are true then I am all for have special safety measures for PLEX.
Sarah Flynt Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity 278	Posted - 2017.03.16 22:28:45 - [243] - Quote Quote: Q: Why are you only converting Aurum balances above 1000? A: A large portion of the total Aurum stockpile is in small balances left over from past giveaways and by not converting those small balances we mitigate risk of oversupply in the PLEX market This after a GM told my corp mate recently that CCP isn't going to take away assets from players after he petitioned a corp CEO change due to an inactive CEO (with a corp being interpreted as "asset" by CCP). I guess your own rules don't apply to you. Nice money grab. Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
jwingender Tar Valon Research and Development 10	Posted - 2017.03.16 22:35:25 - [244] - Quote This is just step one to introducing additional close states. Calling it now. Beta for 50 PLEX a month anyone? Delta for 150? Also, not redeeming amounts of aurum less than 1000 is just stealing from people. Just convert all the aurum and let the market sort it out.
Jeven HouseBenyo Vanity Thy Name Is 431	Posted - 2017.03.16 22:35:29 - [245] - Quote Sarah Flynt wrote: Quote: Q: Why are you only converting Aurum balances above 1000? A: A large portion of the total Aurum stockpile is in small balances left over from past giveaways and by not converting those small balances we mitigate risk of oversupply in the PLEX market This after a GM told my corp mate recently that CCP isn't going to take away assets from players after he petitioned a corp CEO change due to an inactive CEO (with a corp being interpreted as "asset" by CCP). I guess your own rules don't apply to you. Nice money grab. Some of my Aurum was actually cash (well, debit card) purchased, not gifts or freebies. Where's either my cash refund or conversion for Aurum amounts under 1K to the Mini-Plex? >Jeven's Keyboardist Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel. 'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises. Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup. Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Sullen Decimus Polaris Rising The Bastion 62	Posted - 2017.03.16 22:44:14 - [246] - Quote Gogela wrote: Obil Que wrote: Sullen Decimus wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? Tinfoil 1: PLEX rising prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices Tinfoil 2: PLEX falls prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices Choose Tinfoil 1 You don't think that's more than coincidence? OK than... I just want to know why you think that we are told "hey guys we're going to inject a shitload of plex into the game when aurum converts" would ever equate to me wanting to go buy enough plex to jump the market up by 15%. CSM XI Member Twitter: Sullen_Decimus Tweetfleet: @sullen_decimus Sullen Decimus for CSM XII
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2661	Posted - 2017.03.16 22:45:12 - [247] - Quote Moonlit Raid wrote: 1. Lose Aurum I've paid for. [3500 is the amount I recall being gifted, why not cull 3500 from every account?] geeze, I only ever got 300, I want my other 3200 AUR! selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141 @ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Alexa Machavela Viziam Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2017.03.16 22:49:00 - [248] - Quote I don't have a problem with the concept. The PLEX killmails will still exist, but they may be smaller; ISK can still be made by selling PLEX; I saw nothing that would change the ability to continue a billing cycle to pay for a permanent Omega clone. The only issue I see is fairly minor and easy to fix. The 'work in progress' image in the blog includes two icons that really need to be changed - the ISK to PLEX icon and the PLEX to ISK icon. Neither one means anything without the text below to explain it. The Omega, character resculpt, and NEX store icons all make perfect sense, so those could be left as is. The double green arrows for the first two icons could be replaced with icons that show [an arrow pointing from a PLEX to the Z glyph for PLEX] for converting PLEX to ISK and vice versa. You could even remove the text and go pure icon if you'd like, and the function of each button would still be clear. So long, and thanks for all the isk.
Jalon Sabir GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 7	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:00:17 - [249] - Quote Look it's cute and all that you're gonna delete the <1k Aur in order to not destabilise the market or whatever. But I'd rather you didn't just delete actual money. I don't care about the few quid in there but it's just weird and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I wouldn't let my bank do this without complaining either and you're a video games company ffs. Give us something back for it.
Zephiami Dark Skies Dojo 0	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:09:58 - [250] - Quote Ok, having read all the messages on this board to date, and listened to Seagull spout her stuff, I have a few comments of my own. First off is the matter of about 3 cents per nu-plex, which of course, will come out at 5 cents when purchased in small lots, which translates to a 66% boost for CCP. I have no trouble with this, as CCP does need to actually make money after all is said and done. But be warned, as micro transactions come for a premium folks! As much as I object, to CCP sweeping all the Aurum less than 1K's worth to nothing, because I too paid for these, they're definitely within their legal rights under the EULA changes they made a year plus back, where they declared we have "No Interest" in anything in the game. It's play at your own risk, folks, period, no exchange, no refund. As I've consistently predicted, CCP's trying to make it's buck off of CHURN, which is all those Alpha accounts, rather than focus on retaining and rewarding their long term, regularly PAYING, account holders. Rather than be creative (hard work, actually) and adding things for which we'd gladly pay (Like Stargates and New Territory which could only be initially reached through holes) they're spinning the Parameter/Value dials downward to accommodate the newbies they incorrectly hope will sustain them instead. Skins HAVE been a money maker, from both newbies and we longer term accounts as well. They are a good implementation for making money, but what CCP really needs to understand is that they'd make MORE money by adding hyper-expensive units like Stargates. CCP can make it's money, the same way Second Life and many others do, which is from the rental fees of player held properties. Currently the proper drain is Fuel Blocks, and Stargates would require ten or more times the monthly amounts of Fuel Blocks as do Citadels or POSes. Player retention is primarily CAUSED by we longer term account holders, who protect and encourage the newbies, during the initial difficult phases. I've 'saved' several newbies from rage quitting this week alone, by being supportive and upholding them as they slowly break through the "Barriers to Entry" (the business term for this, and apparently not a concept players understand or have chosen to use). We need their support to survive, and help assure they can do so, by supporting them in turn, which we obviously do better than CCP's customer support. And every time CCP cuts US off at the knees, they shoot themselves in the head! The only benefits we older accounts get from this change, is being able to fractionally support newbies who've only earned a portion of their monthly PLEX, rather than having to toss out for a whole one. My summary is rather than monetize the minor difference between 0-1000 Aurum or Fractional Plex, CCP should monetize the difference between what could earned from privately controlled access to more systems, with the gap between what they could earn, and what they'd cost monthly in Fuel Blocks. I used to spend thousands of dollars a year, supporting my Corps and Alliance, but if CCP wants ME to open up MY FAUCETS again, they have to give me a reason to do so, and I say to them that "fractionating PLEX isn't going to do it, kiddies!"

Sarah Flynt Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity 280	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:24:38 - [251] - Quote Sullen Decimus wrote: I just want to know why you think that we are told "hey guys we're going to inject a shitload of plex into the game when aurum converts" would ever equate to me wanting to go buy enough plex to jump the market up by 15%. You should think more short term: what do you think people are going to do, for every account they have, if they don't want to get robbed by CCP for their <1000 AUR? Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
Pew Terror Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 235	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:26:40 - [252] - Quote MJ Maverick wrote: Why not just make Aurum the material of trade? Otherwise the name PLEX (Pilot Licence Extension) won't make sense when you need 500 of them to extend your licence... Instead make Aurum's an in-game transportable and tradable object. You can make a PLEX with 500 Aurum, buy a re-sculpt with 400 Aurum or whatever etc. and you can buy Aurum on Amazon and other retailers along with the in-game market like you can PLEX at the moment. This would have by bar been the better and more logical decision. But it seems Marketing dude X thought up some convoluted thing at the meeting...
Krieg Austern 46	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:30:32 - [253] - Quote Klyith wrote: though #2 isn't a terrible option. the $50 Aurum pack will convert to just over 1500 nu-plex, which is a better deal than most of the plex packs. If you're in the habit of buying a plex now and then that's close to plex sale prices. It's still an option that requires you to spend additional money to get something you already paid for. It won't work in all situations - I have 4 accounts, and each one has a few hundred (in the 300 range) AUR. So I either pay for AUR on 4 accounts, or lose quite a bit, since there is no consolidation system that lets me spend the AUR on stuff I want.
Kusum Fawn Perkone Caldari State 567	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:31:00 - [254] - Quote I dont understand why you dont use Arum as your granular currency ? It is already in a cross character account linked wallet, it already has in game items (tokens) and its already used as the currency for non-game time pilots services. Its already understood by your player base, it already has all your price points for skins and whatnot, because its more granular then what you are proposing with your plex changes. Just drop plex instead and sell everything for AUR. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Capqu ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1279	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:31:51 - [255] - Quote deleting something i literally paid for with real life currency is thievery and i'd go to small claims over it. just because you're a big business doesn't give you the right to ******* steal from people. convert everything, saying you wont convert under 1k for some bullshit reason is straight up pathetic especially when you STILL OFFER 900 points for 4.99Gé¼ in your store. you are scamming people plain and simple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
Zerisi Madeveda Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:32:16 - [256] - Quote Might get some flak for this, but to be honest I don't really see this as a good thing. I know, I'm an Alpha, and no one really wants to hear anything that we have to say, but the thing is this: this may be very bad for the game's economy as a whole. If Aurum goes away, and these micro-plex units take its place, then two things will most likely go on: 1: micro-plex pays for more than just subscription time. This makes it inherently more versatile, and thus will most likely be more expensive than people think. 2: It will require many units of micro-plex to pay for a month of Omega time. If CCP sells packs of these things for less than 500 units per pack, it will require multiple pack purchases in order to have enough for one month of game time. This will also drive the price up as it will require more packages purchased to satisfy demand. If the price of plexing one's account goes up beyond what people are willing to pay in ISK, then Alphas and Omegas who buy plex to extend their Omega time, who do "plexing", may simply stop playing if they are either unwilling or unable to buy subscription time with real life money. If CCP plans on continuing the game for years into the future, they would need to focus on player retention, and making a method of paying for your account, plexing, non-viable is not going to help with that. Also, and this is just my personal thoughts on the matter, I had been planning to try to do plexing myself as a means of going Omega since I don't have the disposable income to pay the monthly cost of a subscription with real life cash. This new bit of news is rather discouraging to me, as an Alpha clone player, and makes me wonder if I'll ever be able to play as an Omega for a prolonged period of time at this rate. I know I might be mocked for saying this, but that's the case; this is discouraging news to me, and I imagine it might be for other Alphas and even some Omegas who do plexing to pay for their own Omega time.
Capqu ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1279	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:32:39 - [257] - Quote Sullen Decimus wrote: Gogela wrote: Obil Que wrote: Sullen Decimus wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? Tinfoil 1: PLEX rising prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices Tinfoil 2: PLEX falls prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices Choose Tinfoil 1 You don't think that's more than coincidence? OK than... I just want to know why you think that we are told "hey guys we're going to inject a shitload of plex into the game when aurum converts" would ever equate to me wanting to go buy enough plex to jump the market up by 15%. just because you're a total idiot doesn't mean all of the csm is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
MadMuppet A Better Corp Name 1280	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:33:32 - [258] - Quote Sanders Schmittlaub wrote: Remove the line from the already EXTREMELY crowded inventory window. Its the only bit of this dev blog I have major issues with, because for anyone with either small monitors or too much stuff open in-client, the inventory list is already hanging down below the edge of the window requiring scrolling to get to hangars. This exacerbates the issue without adding any benefits to the vast majority of players. Apart from that, I have no idea why you went with 1:500 conversion, but I can live with that, so pack the rest of it up and ship it. Make this a hot-bar window item on the left like Market or the Character Sheet, not part of the inventory window system. The small amount of game time that this is going to be used it should not clutter up the inventory system (we know how well people like messing with the inventory system). This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD. "If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet
Kusum Fawn Perkone Caldari State 567	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:40:41 - [259] - Quote If anything this should be in the wallet and not inventory or assets Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Leo Apocrypha Senescence 9	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:43:46 - [260] - Quote I'm not exactly against this but I do have a few concerns. It seems like you're trying to do a few things with this change, make plex and aurum simpler and easier to understand for new players, while also making plex more accessible. I think this is a good idea and opportunity to fix a few things but I see a few problems with the current plan. 1. "Pilots License Extension" doesn't make sense anymore after the addition of alpha clones because they can fly around as much as they want for free. If anything PLEX should be changed to Aurum, which can then be used to buy SKINs, apparel, clone re-sculptures, and something named along the lines of "Omega Clone Ticket" to make the terminology simple and easy to understand. (Get rid of the Multiple Character Training item) Imagine for example, the sentence "You have to use 500 Pilots License Extensions to get 1 month of Omega Clone Training" I think most new players and even us non-new players are just like "...wat." Now add to that "You use Pilots License Extensions to buy clothes, or skill extractors, or ship SKINs." Again, wat. 2. My other concern is the effect this will have on market, currently PLEX is the top of the market (as I understand it) meaning the goal of most traders is to accumulate enough ISK that they can play a substantial role in the PLEX market. While I like the idea of making this market accessible earlier on, and effectively making Skill Injectors the new top of the market as far as Price/Volume ratio goes, I'm worried this will make the PLEX market feel more like buying ammo or something. Where people are short selling the price into oblivion because there's so many people on market, I don't think we would see people putting up orders of 500 very often and actually getting them sold except for when someone buys up the market. Then for the consumer you're getting half of what you need at one price, 1/6th at another price, and the rest at even another price. This would make it hard to keep track of how much you're spending, especially for SP farmers. Plus the price would be inflated by those buying it for other reasons than using it for game time/SP. These two effects might offset each other, I'm not really sure, but I think the ISK to SP ratio would definitely get more turbulent. Also, just pointing out another issue with passive income balance, but one that I think you're already aware of. If people were able to buy smaller amounts of game time than 30 days, this would unbalance PI as people could just make a million alpha PI clones and PLEX them for like a day or week to bring up all their PI materials and sell it. 3. This is more just a comment, I do like the idea of making PLEX or whatever it will be called safer. Why? Because the same idiots that would lose that PLEX trying to move it and then quit game would instead lose the money to a scam (like I did) or by buying a ship and getting blown up A.K.A. content.

Roland Schlosser Abyssal Heavy Industries 22	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:44:09 - [261] - Quote Why don't we just gank everything in Jita/Perimeter until they drop this stupid idea
Capqu ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1283	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:44:20 - [262] - Quote convert everything, saying you wont convert under 1k for some bullshit reason is straight up pathetic especially when you STILL OFFER 900 points for 4.99Gé¼ in your store. you are scamming people plain and simple the amount being low per individual is not relevant. you [CCP] are taking/have taken money for an in-game currency now you are deciding to defunct that currency and not refund players. there is no justification for this i don't know much about law and i wont pretend to, but to me this is grounds for a class action. every single eve online account with a small amount of currency is being stolen from. being conservative and saying 30k players with 150 average AUR being stolen, you are stealing 0.83c from each player - which results in over 24,000Gé¼ stolen. and that is with VERY conservative numbers on my part i don't know what world you live in where you think you can get away with scamming that kind of money in broad daylight and brush it under the rug as a game-play decision. this isn't an in game currency you invented. this is money you took from people in return for a currency to use your store https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
beakerax Pator Tech School 305	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:46:05 - [263] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: beakerax wrote: 1000 seems easier to understand than 500GÇª And then convert aurum at 1:3.5 ratio? There is a reason why they went with a divisor of 3500... It doesn't matter. Someone's AUR is getting rounded either way.
SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 1	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:49:17 - [264] - Quote Capqu wrote: convert everything, saying you wont convert under 1k for some bullshit reason is straight up pathetic especially when you STILL OFFER 900 points for 4.99Gé¼ in your store. you are scamming people plain and simple the amount being low per individual is not relevant. you [CCP] are taking/have taken money for an in-game currency now you are deciding to defunct that currency and not refund players. there is no justification for this i don't know much about law and i wont pretend to, but to me this is grounds for a class action. every single eve online account with a small amount of currency is being stolen from. being conservative and saying 30k players with 150 average AUR being stolen, you are stealing 0.83c from each player - which results in over 24,000Gé¼ stolen. and that is with VERY conservative numbers on my part i don't know what world you live in where you think you can get away with scamming that kind of money in broad daylight and brush it under the rug as a game-play decision. this isn't an in game currency you invented. this is money you took from people in return for a currency to use your store It's just bookkeeping. CCP does have to do accounting. It's minor in the overall picture, but it's still important. Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts.
Karina Ivanovich Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion 228	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:50:49 - [265] - Quote Capqu wrote: convert everything, saying you wont convert under 1k for some bullshit reason is straight up pathetic especially when you STILL OFFER 900 points for 4.99Gé¼ in your store. you are scamming people plain and simple the amount being low per individual is not relevant. you [CCP] are taking/have taken money for an in-game currency now you are deciding to defunct that currency and not refund players. there is no justification for this i don't know much about law and i wont pretend to, but to me this is grounds for a class action. every single eve online account with a small amount of currency is being stolen from. being conservative and saying 30k players with 150 average AUR being stolen, you are stealing 0.83c from each player - which results in over 24,000Gé¼ stolen. and that is with VERY conservative numbers on my part i don't know what world you live in where you think you can get away with scamming that kind of money in broad daylight and brush it under the rug as a game-play decision. this isn't an in game currency you invented. this is money you took from people in return for a currency to use your store This Some call me insane. If the universe is sane, then I embrace that label.
Capqu ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1283	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:51:51 - [266] - Quote SIEGE RED wrote: It's just bookkeeping. CCP does have to do accounting. It's minor in the overall picture, but it's still important. Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts. mine certainly doesn't fall into the gift category, and that is not an excuse to remove peoples real world investment. just because they were stupid with their initial deployment of in-game cash shop does not give them the right to revoke previously invested money https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 1	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:55:31 - [267] - Quote Capqu wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: It's just bookkeeping. CCP does have to do accounting. It's minor in the overall picture, but it's still important. Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts. mine certainly doesn't fall into the gift category, and that is not an excuse to remove peoples real world investment. just because they were stupid with their initial deployment of in-game cash shop does not give them the right to revoke previously invested money Then join the pattern of the ones who appeared to know already to push Plex over that Aurum line - if I remember correctly Jester outlined it in the topic on Reddit.
McBorsk Multispace Technologies Inc Yulai Federation 68	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:56:43 - [268] - Quote "Check out the blog for further info on this exciting change:" Yeah, how about you let us tell you if it's exciting or not? I am not excited.
Capqu ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1283	Posted - 2017.03.16 23:56:48 - [269] - Quote SIEGE RED wrote: Capqu wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: It's just bookkeeping. CCP does have to do accounting. It's minor in the overall picture, but it's still important. Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts. mine certainly doesn't fall into the gift category, and that is not an excuse to remove peoples real world investment. just because they were stupid with their initial deployment of in-game cash shop does not give them the right to revoke previously invested money Then join the pattern of the ones who appeared to know already to push Plex over that Aurum line - if I remember correctly Jester outlined it in the topic on Reddit. invest more to get anything out of my current investment? do you know how crazy that sounds when a company is willing to do things as scumbag and shady as this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 1	Posted - 2017.03.17 00:10:23 - [270] - Quote Capqu wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: Capqu wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: It's just bookkeeping. CCP does have to do accounting. It's minor in the overall picture, but it's still important. Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts. mine certainly doesn't fall into the gift category, and that is not an excuse to remove peoples real world investment. just because they were stupid with their initial deployment of in-game cash shop does not give them the right to revoke previously invested money Then join the pattern of the ones who appeared to know already to push Plex over that Aurum line - if I remember correctly Jester outlined it in the topic on Reddit. invest more to get anything out of my current investment? do you know how crazy that sounds when a company is willing to do things as scumbag and shady as this? Morality in business? Anyway, you're not wrong, but it's a different aspect of the debat - from a different perspective. Surprisingly, it's not the first time that going deeper, riding the wave so to speak, got people on top. It is CCP's game after all, and their venture. And while it's changed for the better, they remain predictable. Look, this could have been so much worse. They're taking their time, it's going to be a while before we get even a tentative timeline, several feedback rounds, and plenty opportunity to test the waters for both real and perception challenges. It's not the CCP from 6 years ago either. We can stare ourselves blind on details of change, or we can focus on the next evolution.

Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1627	Posted - 2017.03.17 00:17:04 - [271] - Quote Skully Luv wrote: With all due respect, who cares? We want new ships, new PVE content, new WH content, more ways to kill each other in PVP. Please stop wasting dev resources on this and other useless things like skins. Art Department != Game Developer Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Wanda Fayne 550	Posted - 2017.03.17 00:19:10 - [272] - Quote Losing that aur under 1000k is bad. Looks bad, feels bad. Bad. your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic -Lan Wang- - Locator Agents cease to function on Offline Players:
ddred S.A.S Pandemic Legion 15	Posted - 2017.03.17 00:31:52 - [273] - Quote I would suggest, if possible, that you audit accounts to see if they've ever purchased aurum and only honor/convert aurum for those accounts into plex regardless of how much they have. I understand wanting to avoid introducing a lot of free plex into the system from previous giveaways but this doesn't necessarily solve the issue since I could potentially purchase a plex and convert it into aurum just so I save the free aurum I have received in the past.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor 6092	Posted - 2017.03.17 00:34:20 - [274] - Quote Back in the day to prevent players making bad decisions, there was a warning along the lines of, "you are undocking without your mission cargo, do you really want to do this?" There was no option added to allow access to mission cargo from any station. Back in the day, mission cargoes used to be thousands of individual items. Then to prevent fraud the cargo of 1000 dolls became 1 large crate of dolls. Why does PLEX need tombe treated differently? This action looks like an attempt to sieze stale balances. At the very least I would convert Aurum to PLEX rounding up, rather than rounding the first thousand down to zero. Perhaps CCP is hoping to incite a mad rush on the Aurum store for all those sub-1000 Aurum offers? Day 0 Advice for New Players
Lfod Shi Lfod's Ratting and Salvage 385	Posted - 2017.03.17 00:45:10 - [275] - Quote Not thrilled with losing my pittance of AUR that I paid money for. Feels sorta stealy. GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
Borgum FA-JIN 4	Posted - 2017.03.17 00:49:07 - [276] - Quote Will this change the ISK value of a PLEX? If I currently have 1 PLEX should I sell it now or wait until after the change? If I hold onto my PLEX and the change happens, when I login the next day will I magically have 500 PLEX or the 1 PLEX I originally had? Since the market is supposed to be player driven, if a person's PLEX magically increases in number to 500 times - won't the price stay the same and then decrease over time? In this scenario, I could immediately sell my 500 PLEX after the change and make a huge amount of ISK...or could I? I would think that until the price evens out, i.e., drops, buying ISK will be a losing proposition and no one will want to touch it. How does CCP plan to deal with this? Will CCP deal with this? CCP Phantom wrote: Changes are coming to PLEX, Aurum and the New Eden Store! Our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 PLEX from CCP will instead require 500 PLEX. We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX. Check out the blog for further info on this exciting change: PLEX Changes On The Way! Please note, these changes donGÇÖt have a set release date yet but will be coming to EVE Online this spring or early summer.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3908	Posted - 2017.03.17 00:53:06 - [277] - Quote On the topic of the changing of aur to plex, I don't believe CCP needs to worry so much about Aur plex entering the market. What a lot of people will do is concentrate their Aurum from across accounts all onto a single account and then use that for some vanity item that previously no single account could afford, but between them all they can afford. For Borgum, the market is player driven so what happens to the isk value of plex is up to the players. However CCP tend to either wipe market orders when a change of this magnitude occurs, or automatically scale them. So it is unlikely you will be able to rip off an old market order magically.
Moonlit Raid State War Academy Caldari State 319	Posted - 2017.03.17 00:54:09 - [278] - Quote Borgum wrote: Will this change the ISK value of a PLEX? If I currently have 1 PLEX should I sell it now or wait until after the change? If I hold onto my PLEX and the change happens, when I login the next day will I magically have 500 PLEX or the 1 PLEX I originally had? Since the market is supposed to be player driven, if a person's PLEX magically increases in number to 500 times - won't the price stay the same and then decrease over time? In this scenario, I could immediately sell my 500 PLEX after the change and make a huge amount of ISK...or could I? I would think that until the price evens out, i.e., drops, buying ISK will be a losing proposition and no one will want to touch it. How does CCP plan to deal with this? Will CCP deal with this? CCP Phantom wrote: Changes are coming to PLEX, Aurum and the New Eden Store! Our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 PLEX from CCP will instead require 500 PLEX. We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX. Check out the blog for further info on this exciting change: PLEX Changes On The Way! Please note, these changes donGÇÖt have a set release date yet but will be coming to EVE Online this spring or early summer. New and old plex will be different items on the market to prevent the situation you describe. And eve marketplace is pretty good at staying stable. so a month game time will pretty much stay worth the same isk as it is now. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Talaris EveningStar The Torchwood Institute Vengeful Seraph 61	Posted - 2017.03.17 00:58:39 - [279] - Quote Just when I thought CCP couldn't get anymore foolish, they come up with this ridiculous idea. As someone who buys PLEX from the market regularly, I have absolutely no interest in buying anything less than 30 days of game time per PLEX. When I sell PLEX, I have no interest in splitting up a 30 day chunk to sell it pieces and wait for the total to sell. Aurum and the New Eden store were a terrible idea since inception. Clearly, you're having trouble getting people to spend money on it if you're considering this as an option. If so, let me be the first to tell you, the reason you can't get people to spend money on it, is because it's stupid. Converting PLEX into smaller integers isn't going to help. Maybe if there were a reason to dress up our characters for more than a half-assed Captain's Quarters, and a static image, it might be worth consideration. And that's a huge might. What you SHOULD be doing is removing the New Eden store altogether, adding all the items on it to the market, and abandon this foolish idea of a cash store. This isn't the MMO for it, and you've consistently failed to provide any value through it. I really really hope you reconsider this terrible idea. Please extend the release date to never.
Messenger Of Truth Butlerian Crusade 87	Posted - 2017.03.17 01:04:56 - [280] - Quote SIEGE RED wrote: Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts. I've converted a Plex to Aurum. I've got Aurum left over because of their typical annoying microtransaction prices where none of the prices are divisors of the quantities you can buy currency in. This Aurum was not a free gift, and confiscating it is unacceptable. Trade Hub Price Checker: stop.hammerti.me.uk/pricecheck Visit "Haulers Channel" in game for all matters courier-related. Structure name/system API: stop.hammerti.me.uk/api

Gisele Serebriakova Norman's Meat Market 1	Posted - 2017.03.17 01:13:33 - [281] - Quote Infinite cyno alts might actually increase usage. Example, at the moment I have zero cyno alts for a reason. Apply this same argument to various other low time commitment activities like ganking or blah blah blah. The vault is a good idea. HS is lame for a reason, the rules are stupid and the risk/reward asymmetry is high. Besides this only really effects one shot tornado guys sitting outside jita, and t3 hub haulers. Neither adds anything interesting to the game and should be eliminated. I don't like the advertisement space in the inventory window either. Anything that breaks the 4th wall in the game space itself shouldn't be there IMO.
AFK Hauler State War Academy 1203	Posted - 2017.03.17 01:16:45 - [282] - Quote Yes, I have used the New Eden Store and purchased currency for items in-game. No, I do not agree with the casual disregard for any account with less than 1000 AUR. From my understanding, this would cause an excess of PLEX on the market system and drop the price. SO? Apparently this was leaked and the PLEX market jumped significantly, almost overnight. A healthy excess should counter the current speculation inflation and nullify the gains by those who possibly leaked it for gain. If there was no leak, then the excess would still serve to balance the market and soften the blow to the price shock from the split. Now, I cannot agree that 1 PLEX = 30 days game time being "clunky" for players. There is no way that 500 PLEX = 30 days game time - OR - that 1 PLEX = 1.44 hours game time is not clunky. Both "excuses" do not counter the "clunky" statement for easy transition. Second, why 500? If you plan to swipe AUR from hundreds of accounts (if it's not, then you prove it), why not make it 720 PLEX? If the number is higher, then you can lower the AUR recovery limit by converting more AUR to PLEX. The 720 PLEX is for 1 PLEX = 1hr game time (As stated previously). But hey, why stop there? Why not make PLEX 7200 for 30 day play? From there you can convert almost on parity with a close 2:1 conversion between these two currencies. Next - Splitting any asset with a price sensitive market share will inevitably cause inflation creep. 1B for 30 days has already become 1.2B from just speculation... Wait until it only costs 2M for a PLEX, then it will creep to, what, 3M - 4M? When does the price per unit become unjustified? Here we can introduce an EVE-approved solution... Drop your new PLEX in ratting loot. Cringe, right? No. This will serve two purposes: 1. Balance the price with supply. Those who rat for game time will have a small portion of the item and need to purchase less from the market. CCP will have control over the drop rate based on the market and PLEX use to keep this new currency model balanced. Lower the bounty on rats if you want value (ISK/hr) balance, but add a mechanism for players to control some portion of the market creep. 2. This puts PLEX back into the cargo holds of players increasing the risk / reward balance. All together, this is a badly thought out solution for a poorly implemented market model for micro transactions. The NES is a disconnected add-on to the game. However, skill extractors cannot be made in-game. Therefore, the New Eden Store will still be needed for items... why not get rid of PLEX and keep AUR? Something tells me you have not thought out the fact that by combining the currencies into one, we can purchase skins from the store with ISK (essentially) without having to buy expensive AUR tokens. Your idea of micro transactions becomes convoluted by the loss of currency separation. It feels like a big money grab and a push to inflate the price of PLEX in game. Doesn't feel much like a player-centered game anymore to me.
Klyith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 178	Posted - 2017.03.17 01:19:16 - [283] - Quote ddred wrote: I would suggest, if possible, that you audit accounts to see if they've ever purchased aurum and only honor/convert aurum for those accounts into plex regardless of how much they have. Yeah if they have the ability to do this they really should. But the data to do it right may not be there; tranq and billing are certainly different systems. So there may not be any way to look at tranq and know where the aurum came from or even when it was added.
Queen of Jita Deal With It Bruv Inver Brass 1	Posted - 2017.03.17 01:20:32 - [284] - Quote Hi CCP devs, I really like the idea of merging PLEX and Aur to one entity. Very good move. At this moment it seems to be good idea to remove Aur and add PLEX currency, but consider other option. What is PLEX? it is Pilot's Licence EXtension. It is a little strange to buy something for a Pilot's Licence. If you want to create a new currency in the game AUR seems to be much better choice. After one year or two, newcoming players will be confused why they buy gametime for Pilot's Licences In my opinion much better would be: AUR - "gold currency" that appears in the wallet (not inventory), with an option to redeem as an item "AUR token", which will appear in the hangar. It will be possible to back to the wallet, even remotely. It will be also possible to be traded, given, contracted, sold ect. PLEX - will remain the synonym of gametime. It will be possible to buy gametime or just extend Plex. Buying PLEX would have two options of payment : ISK at the current price or at the fixed price in AUR (3500). If you want to avoid confusion with old Aur, and new Aur described above - give the other name to the new currency.
Joan Andedare Licence To Kill Mercenary Coalition 15	Posted - 2017.03.17 01:23:51 - [285] - Quote I agree with splitting Plex into smaller units, the (potential) option to only subscribe an account for a few hours or days as needed would be amazing. getting rid of aurum also makes things easier when buying skins and clothes. However, the vault idea seems a bit misplaced. As plex no longer need to be transported, there is no need to consider them as an item, instead they should be moved to the wallet, as it now only serves as currency. Another thing I do not like is the fact that CCP will be removing Aurum from users who paid for it. While (probably) covered by the EULA this behavior doesn't seem likely to increase trust in CCP and in their virtual currencies. I hope CCP will reconsider this and look for another solution to limit the impact on the Plex marktet (asuming the impact will be big enough to really warrant any action on their part.).
Don Peyote Zero Fun Allowed Stella Nova 26	Posted - 2017.03.17 01:26:00 - [286] - Quote Messenger Of Truth wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts. I've converted a Plex to Aurum. I've got Aurum left over because of their typical annoying microtransaction prices where none of the prices are divisors of the quantities you can buy currency in. This Aurum was not a free gift, and confiscating it is unacceptable. Capqu wrote: convert everything, saying you wont convert under 1k for some bullshit reason is straight up pathetic especially when you STILL OFFER 900 points for 4.99Gé¼ in your store. you are scamming people plain and simple the amount being low per individual is not relevant. you [CCP] are taking/have taken money for an in-game currency now you are deciding to defunct that currency and not refund players. there is no justification for this i don't know much about law and i wont pretend to, but to me this is grounds for a class action. every single eve online account with a small amount of currency is being stolen from. being conservative and saying 30k players with 150 average AUR being stolen, you are stealing 0.83c from each player - which results in over 24,000Gé¼ stolen. and that is with VERY conservative numbers on my part i don't know what world you live in where you think you can get away with scamming that kind of money in broad daylight and brush it under the rug as a game-play decision. this isn't an in game currency you invented. this is money you took from people in return for a currency to use your store Agreed on all counts, there's no justification whatsoever for arbitrarily invalidating the purchases of thousands of paying customers. There's no technical limitation reason they can't just convert all aurum regardless of the amount. In fact I suspect it'd be easier to implement. The product has already been sold, they aren't losing out on custom. It's a cynical cashgrab - if a person with 790 aurum now misses on the conversion for whatever reason but in the future wants to buy a SKIN, I guess it's tough **** and they'll have to buy the full balance again! Good practice if you're hustling somebody once, but not something to do if you want repeat custom. Maybe it's my fault, but I expect CCP to at least have the decency to at least give people the product they pay for. It's especially egregious when, as the two posts I've quoted point out, they have employed and continue to employ the classic microtransaction peddler shtick of selling the good in amounts incompatible with the use of it, necessitating further purchases or 'wasted money' - a 'fallacy' that stops being fallacious when that 'spare change' is exempted from this upcoming conversion because of an arbitrary cutoff imposed. This sort of business practice makes Wargaming look scrupulous.
Sage Mo Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 01:43:31 - [287] - Quote Gotta say, as a new player I'm incredibly disappointed that there's going to be advertisements in my inventory and you're diminishing the value of the player's currency if they have under 1000 aurum.
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1315	Posted - 2017.03.17 01:59:45 - [288] - Quote Suggestion; If you really have to add shameless unwanted advertising to the game - There is a tab in the character sheet that says "Pilot License", as it is now it is completely useless unless you're dual training. Why not give it a make over so you can see when your account expires (regardless of how you pay) and put your advertising vault there. This would be a nice player enhancement removing the need to check emails or log in to "account management" just to see how long until your account expires. Putting the plex vault in there you can spend, trade or renew your sub - All in one place. You could also have a link to account management for those who pay $ for their subs or just want to buy more plex. I find those who shamelessly advertise their products right in your face are far less likely to get any money out of me. Subtle unobtrusive advertising over something you are forced to look at every time you enter the game for the whole time you are in the game. PS; Thank you for making our Aurum Xmas gift worthless. NB; I haven't played a game from EA for quite a while due to their - Pay for the game then get inundated with constant advertising to buy this, that and everything else. Please don't let Eve go down that line - It really is a turnoff. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Professor JinMine Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 2	Posted - 2017.03.17 02:02:40 - [289] - Quote Quote: Q: What will happen to existing market orders for PLEX when the feature launches? A: We will cancel all orders and repay fees, as usual when we make a major type conversion. I'm extremely worried about this. When you say "repay fees", do you mean taking ISK out of Citadel owner's wallet and giving back to the ppl who have paid broker fees? Or do you mean to say you will duplicate and inject ISK amount corresponding to the broker fee paid in citadels?
Ebanezer Scrooge Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 02:08:37 - [290] - Quote just HUM BUG....should be divisible by 30. If PLEX going to be broken into units then game time should be broken down into units also.

Sylvia Lafayette Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness 4	Posted - 2017.03.17 02:14:23 - [291] - Quote I know the dev blog says smaller units of of plex being spent for less than 30 days is not being considered but it is an option I would very likely use. Being able to spend 25/50 plex for 36/72 hours of game time would let me enjoy a casual weekend of play and still worry about real life. I've hit the point in eve where I have enough sp in enough skills but don't play enough to justify paying for a full 30 days just to play every other weekend of a month that I'm available. Even if CCP only wanted to test the waters with a 100 plex for 6 day option I might consider using it.
Hra Neuvosto FinFleet Northern Coalition. 393	Posted - 2017.03.17 02:15:29 - [292] - Quote At least put those ads out of sight in the character sheet Pilot License tab. Not a good way to go at this. Also, while I don't roleplay, I've always enjoyed how most things ingame feel like they belong, like they could exist. These "buy game time" and "resculpt your character" are breaking this theme a bit too much IMO.
William Pierce Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 02:18:50 - [293] - Quote An easily solution would be to let people continue to use the leftover amounts below 1000 AUR in the store after the change, and let them combine these amounts with PLEX amounts to make purchases. That would solve this whole issue.
William Pierce Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 02:20:12 - [294] - Quote Sylvia Lafayette wrote: I know the dev blog says smaller units of of plex being spent for less than 30 days is not being considered but it is an option I would very likely use. Being able to spend 25/50 plex for 36/72 hours of game time would let me enjoy a casual weekend of play and still worry about real life. I've hit the point in eve where I have enough sp in enough skills but don't play enough to justify paying for a full 30 days just to play every other weekend of a month that I'm available. Even if CCP only wanted to test the waters with a 100 plex for 6 day option I might consider using it. Some people like you might pay more than you do currently (if you're not playing at all), but I have a hunch that more people would end up paying less if they had the option to only subscribe on the weekends to the like.
Ines Tegator Top Keks Incorporated 605	Posted - 2017.03.17 02:24:51 - [295] - Quote So... this means I can apply 1.4 hours of plex to a cyno account, make my needed jump, and then stop paying for it again. Ditto for hauling alts, cloaky local spies, Titan jump bridgers, and so on. I can't imagine any reason that encouraging players to reduce their investment into their play accounts can be a good thing. This whole scenario will be ripe for exploits. And not good for CCP's bottom line either, I expect. Overhaul Dscan! Make your own rules - Noobs to Null / Casual Vets Corp
Jeven HouseBenyo Vanity Thy Name Is 433	Posted - 2017.03.17 02:25:05 - [296] - Quote Zerisi Madeveda wrote: Might get some flak for this, but to be honest I don't really see this as a good thing. I know, I'm an Alpha, and no one really wants to hear anything that we have to say, but the thing is this: this may be very bad for the game's economy as a whole. If Aurum goes away, and these micro-plex units take its place, then two things will most likely go on: 1: micro-plex pays for more than just subscription time. This makes it inherently more versatile, and thus will most likely be more expensive than people think. 2: It will require many units of micro-plex to pay for a month of Omega time. If CCP sells packs of these things for less than 500 units per pack, it will require multiple pack purchases in order to have enough for one month of game time. This will also drive the price up as it will require more packages purchased to satisfy demand. If the price of plexing one's account goes up beyond what people are willing to pay in ISK, then Alphas and Omegas who buy plex to extend their Omega time, who do "plexing", may simply stop playing if they are either unwilling or unable to buy subscription time with real life money. If CCP plans on continuing the game for years into the future, they would need to focus on player retention, and making a method of paying for your account, plexing, non-viable is not going to help with that. Also, and this is just my personal thoughts on the matter, I had been planning to try to do plexing myself as a means of going Omega since I don't have the disposable income to pay the monthly cost of a subscription with real life cash. This new bit of news is rather discouraging to me, as an Alpha clone player, and makes me wonder if I'll ever be able to play as an Omega for a prolonged period of time at this rate. I know I might be mocked for saying this, but that's the case; this is discouraging news to me, and I imagine it might be for other Alphas and even some Omegas who do plexing to pay for their own Omega time. ^^^ This Disheartening our new Alphas is a bad route to take, CCP. They've been invited to carry the budget weight upset older Omega customers have dumped after fighting one too many changes beyond their tolerance. There's no need to drive off the new blood as well, while there's many reasons we'd want them to stay flying with us. >Jeven's Ever Suffering Keyboardist Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel. 'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises. Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup. Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Amarisen Gream Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies 336	Posted - 2017.03.17 02:44:48 - [297] - Quote Can't say I am fully behind this change 100% I am in mind that CCPs fear of aurum to plex exchange under 1000 aurum to be to much. Ether exchange it to game time or ISK. And splitting up a PLEX into smaller parts where each one equals an hour of game time seems much better. Please, CCP give this some more thought. Also, is there maybe a way you could pool the aurum from all accounts linked to the same email. This would merge all the small amounts for the players, and this could be done before the conversion of aurum to PLEX so players could maybe spend it before they lose it. This merged pool would would show up in the account with the highest SP character. Would also like to see the PLEX vault linked to accounts sharing emails as well. "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1 #NPCLivesMatter #Freetheboobs
Amelia Sturges Taco Tuesdays 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 02:49:47 - [298] - Quote [GÇô]TekkiME! Pandemic Legion 71 points an hour ago Simple solution: Any amount below 1000 AUR gets converted into game time +% to make player happy.
Rikki Bigg EVE University Ivy League 22	Posted - 2017.03.17 03:46:43 - [299] - Quote What about the Aurum tokens, what will happen to the 100, 500, and 1000 Aurum items that are still in game?
Queen of Jita Deal With It Bruv Inver Brass 1	Posted - 2017.03.17 03:47:32 - [300] - Quote Joan Andedare wrote: I agree with splitting Plex into smaller units, the (potential) option to only subscribe an account for a few hours or days as needed would be amazing. This will never happen. If you were the CCP owner, would you resign from steady subscribtion income for "pay for 1 hour of game"? CCP is not running their business to work for free. They deserve to get paid for their job. However - the AUR from paid sources (plex, codes) should be compensated, not taken away.

grimgrimmett Federal Logistics Initiative Conglomerate United Interests 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 03:52:16 - [301] - Quote there is no point in making it 500 per plex if your not going to add more options for using them like less game time than a month -_- if you adding a plex vault then do that but if your not adding less game time than a month leave it 1 plex not 500.
Con Solo Ministry of War Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 04:07:24 - [302] - Quote CCP is killing the PLEX trade just like they killed the boosters. Magically transporting PLEX through a Vault is complete nonsense. Give an undocking warning FFS. You will get the same result of "protecting new players" without destroying an aspect of the game. And CCP says "oh but moving PLEX will still be a thing". No it won't- there is now a surefire way to move PLEX throughout the universe safely. This is killing a portion of the economy many players enjoy. I am hoping this is all a bad April fools joke. The Vault must not happen.
Astrid Farnsworth Broke and Famous 10	Posted - 2017.03.17 04:08:44 - [303] - Quote People need to stop freak out and wait for more detail. This is like the pre-alpha status update. "Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics." - Gen. Robert H. Barrow, USMC (Commandant of the Marine Corps) noted in 1980strong text
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1318	Posted - 2017.03.17 04:41:24 - [304] - Quote grimgrimmett wrote: there is no point in making it 500 per plex if your not going to add more options for using them like less game time than a month -_- if you adding a plex vault then do that but if your not adding less game time than a month leave it 1 plex not 500. This change has nothing to do with "game time", it is all about the overpriced new eden store and sales of skins etc. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Tsutomi Sakuma KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 6	Posted - 2017.03.17 05:07:56 - [305] - Quote mkint wrote: lanyaie wrote: It isn't the 1st of April yet, right? First thing I looked for. edit: I remember when reverse redeem was added and it was designed to specifically avoid the possibility of using it as a plex vault. This whole thing, this exact idea, was proposed back when aur was being considered and added to the game. Why is this happening now instead of years ago? What changed within CCP? On the whole, this whole thing is basically a non-issue in my mind. It'll be temporarily disruptive but to me it mostly feels like a maintenance project turning plex into gold, copying other games to try to cash in even harder on the MT p2w crowd. Is this another case of CCP being 3 steps behind everyone else in the industry? edit 2: So annoying having this on the inventory window. Inventory window is annoying enough as it is, like we need tacky nag ads in the middle of a game that is already a paid subscription game. This whole thing is starting to stink of the EA-ification of CCP. Isn't the CCP boss a former EA stooge? How close are we to a boycott? Sounds like a perfect reason to "Burn Something".
Rena Monachica Capital Hot Rods 63	Posted - 2017.03.17 05:08:52 - [306] - Quote oh great, now even inventory has a BUY BUY BUY OMG MONEY PLZZZ Button. Seriously, this starts to feel like microtransaction hell from stupid smartphone games.
Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels Solitaire. 197	Posted - 2017.03.17 05:15:48 - [307] - Quote Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages. So I have to buy 500 pieces now to redeem one month and i can't just buy bits at a time when I need it. The more I read about this the dumber it gets.
Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels Solitaire. 197	Posted - 2017.03.17 05:21:42 - [308] - Quote http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/71977/1/94666CF7.PNG Also in this image does it mean I can but 2.7 plex for a fixed amount of around 5m directly from cap without having to use market and be taxed if 2700 plex = 5b
Drake Aihaken CODE.d 67	Posted - 2017.03.17 06:28:25 - [309] - Quote I can't wait for the Q&A sessions at FanFest in several weeks. This will be priceless.
Sam Guivenne Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 6	Posted - 2017.03.17 06:38:33 - [310] - Quote NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: Sam Guivenne wrote: There are a great deal of things wrong with this post, so I'm just going to go down the list as they come by. 1: Risk vs Reward: Plex hauling is supposed to be incredibly risky, which is why its also highly profitable. No its not. Part of why EVE was a joke of a game was because suicide gankers had virtually zero risk for potentially tremendous rewards. Finally they are decreasing the rewards for suicide ganking, which had such negligible costs that it was a commonplace grief tactic. What are you talking about? Suicide Gankers have some of the highest risk. No matter what they do they are automatically out the value of there ship and whatever sec status they get from aggression, on top of that they need to work in groups AND need to trust others to loot before 3rd parties get to it and to get away with it/catch the looters. Plus they are 100% at the whims of the loot fairy. By no means is any of this risk free.

Rendering Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 15	Posted - 2017.03.17 06:39:51 - [311] - Quote This is a really bad move. Don't remove anything. Just convert existing Aurum into NuPLEX or whatever dumb name it is. You gave us less than 500 Aurum not 4 months ago too by the way.
Rendering Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 15	Posted - 2017.03.17 06:58:43 - [312] - Quote Capqu wrote: invest more to get anything out of my current investment? do you know how crazy that sounds when a company is willing to do things as scumbag and shady as this? I remember people in Iceland saying that during the 2008 crisis. I also remember them going to jail.
Dragonar Zamayid 1st Naval Brigade 1st Naval Alliance 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 07:20:51 - [313] - Quote Great Idea. Makes everything easier to use and easier to understand. Well done CCP.
Tyr Dolorem ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 175	Posted - 2017.03.17 08:22:23 - [314] - Quote CCP Phantom wrote: We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX. You meant to say 0 right? Surely you wouldn't strip players of game currency?
Alderson Point Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2017.03.17 08:23:51 - [315] - Quote Merin Ryskin wrote: Alderson Point wrote: Think of it logically, Imagine if you had to carry all your isk around with you all the time, sure a gold mine for gankers, but it would basically be an awful mechanic. Why should game time be any different? Because, unlike ISK, PLEX is a trading commodity. You buy and sell it on the market, you can invest in it and hope to sell for more at a later time, you can attempt to play the market taking advantage of price differences in different locations, etc. None of that happens with ISK. The vault will totally remove Plex as a commodity where trading arbitrage occurs. Plex has become such a Trading vehicle that the entire point of the commodity, a good, exchangeable for services has been lost. The ENTIRE effect of the vault is to return it to this role. Whatever is said in the dev blog, this was not accidental, and the primary reason for these changes. If you are a Trader, look for something new to trade.
Alderson Point Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2017.03.17 08:28:18 - [316] - Quote Alderson Point wrote: Merin Ryskin wrote: Alderson Point wrote: Think of it logically, Imagine if you had to carry all your isk around with you all the time, sure a gold mine for gankers, but it would basically be an awful mechanic. Why should game time be any different? Because, unlike ISK, PLEX is a trading commodity. You buy and sell it on the market, you can invest in it and hope to sell for more at a later time, you can attempt to play the market taking advantage of price differences in different locations, etc. None of that happens with ISK. The vault will totally remove Plex as a commodity where trading arbitrage occurs. Plex has become such a Trading vehicle that the entire point of the commodity, a token or promissory note, exchangeable for services has been lost. The ENTIRE effect of the vault is to return it to this role. Whatever is said in the dev blog, this was not accidental, and the primary reason for these changes. If you are a Trader, look for something new to trade.
Caldana Haath Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 08:36:11 - [317] - Quote Well, someone at CCP seems to have forgotten the lessons of "Burn Jita", although we're not talking about equal levels of stupidity. At least not yet. But this is still pretty bad. The Concept of granulating PLEX and combining both AURUM and PLEX is not bad. In fact, if properly executed it could be a nice improvement on the mechanics comparable to revamping the ice mining. But as always, the devil is in details. Here is some criticism: The Straight-out division of PLEX by 500 is illogical. As others have mentioned earlier, division by 720 (ie. 1 hour of Omega time per PLEX) would be more reasonable. Or divide by 30 for 1 day per PLEX. The Sample picture of PLEX vault alone is intrusively using valuable screen space. If one has to, a wallet subdivision would be a better place. The Best you can say about it is that it's not as bad as the original mandatory captain's quarters. The Concept of "PLEX vault" itself is bad. PLEX needs to be a in-game item which has associated risk of getting shot down. This is EvE, risks are to be expected and idiots need at least a chance to learn. Blatantly stealing those sub-1000 amounts of AURUM is stupid and evil. If you worry about PLEX inflation, cash it out as few hours (or days) of omega time (or maybe equivalent free skill points!) or something similar. Don't simply steal it.
Sharcy Shibari Mure 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 08:40:08 - [318] - Quote Con Solo wrote: Magically transporting PLEX through a Vault is complete nonsense. Why? How is it different from real world banks where you deposit money in one place and take it out of an ATM in another?
Alstevar Eastern Caldari State 10	Posted - 2017.03.17 08:41:57 - [319] - Quote Smaller PLEX PLEX is Pilot's License Extension, what's the point using this name if one unit can't do the job. Your idea look's like now 500 VISA is needed to use VISA possibility. Why not just make 1 plex = 500 Aurums (or any other number) and simply adjust the number of AUR in the game like Old Aurums = X new Aurums and convert them into item. The PLEX Vault I don't like "Vault" and please don't use PLEX in the name. The PLEX need to be in the window as Omega time only. Don't add this window in the inventory PLEASE. Your effective personal standings need to be higher to see the player's signature.
Sharcy Shibari Mure 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 08:45:50 - [320] - Quote Alderson Point wrote: The vault will totally remove Plex as a commodity where trading arbitrage occurs. Plex has become such a Trading vehicle that the entire point of the commodity, a token, or promissory note, exchangeable for services has been lost. The ENTIRE effect of the vault is to return it to this role. Whatever is said in the dev blog, this was not accidental, and the primary reason for these changes. If you are a Trader, look for something new to trade. Again, why? If you buy stock in Google, do you go to Mountain View to pick up the piece of paper that says you own it and bring it to Wall Street to sell it? No. There is no reason why PLEX can't still be traded.

Alderson Point Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2017.03.17 08:47:10 - [321] - Quote Caldana Haath wrote: Well, someone at CCP seems to have forgotten the lessons of "Burn Jita", although we're not talking about equal levels of stupidity. At least not yet. But this is still pretty bad. The Concept of granulating PLEX and combining both AURUM and PLEX is not bad. In fact, if properly executed it could be a nice improvement on the mechanics comparable to revamping the ice mining. But as always, the devil is in details. Here is some criticism: The Straight-out division of PLEX by 500 is illogical. As others have mentioned earlier, division by 720 (ie. 1 hour of Omega time per PLEX) would be more reasonable. Or divide by 30 for 1 day per PLEX. basically irrelevant as Omega time is only going to be purchasable monthly. Size is whatever suits their ongoing micro sales intentions. The Sample picture of PLEX vault alone is intrusively using valuable screen space. If one has to, a wallet subdivision would be a better place. The Best you can say about it is that it's not as bad as the original mandatory captain's quarters. agreed, in the wallet, or assets tab would be neater, but this puts it front and centre for Sales and marketing The Concept of "PLEX vault" itself is bad. PLEX needs to be a in-game item which has associated risk of getting shot down. This is EvE, risks are to be expected and idiots need at least a chance to learn. there are many opportunities to undock with expensive stuff in cargo hold, it isn't a reason to treat plex in the same way. Read above post to see WHY it is being done. Blatantly stealing those sub-1000 amounts of AURUM is stupid and evil. If you worry about PLEX inflation, cash it out as few hours (or days) of omega time (or maybe equivalent free skill points!) or something similar. Don't simply steal it. Re removing sub 1000 Aurum balances, I Totally agree,It is an appalling suggestion, naturally the lobbying (CSM) by the Nullblock bulk holders will have convinced CCP that diluting their massive Plex holdings would be bad for EVE, and they have the good of the game at heart, honestly It is a BAD decision, The nullblocks are big boys and will cope with it, we do not need CCP to manipulate things in their favour, at the expense of the little guy.
Nightehawke Andven Aerospace Corporation COASTAL BROTHERHOOD 3	Posted - 2017.03.17 08:58:44 - [322] - Quote Write off my aur, you can write off my subs. I understand the desire to unify your currencies because AUR was stupid and poorly implemented to begin with. However blatantly ripping off your paying users because you boxed yourself into a corner is idiotic and a great way to ruin your company and any goodwill the community has towards it. Why spend money? When for all we know next week/month/year you decide 500 plex currency is awful (it is) and you screw over anyone with 499 plex or less. You're undermining the very trust your users give you when they pay into this game. If you do this why should anyone with half a brain spend money here when they can spend it on any other number of games who literally won't run off with their money? Wow sure is basic compared to eve but at least they're not stealing from their paying userbase.
Tam Arai Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 131	Posted - 2017.03.17 09:04:03 - [323] - Quote i think converting to one currency is good i think stealing aurum is bad
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 143	Posted - 2017.03.17 09:04:11 - [324] - Quote First they steal mah carrier, then they steal my aurum. Dear CCP, this will soon become a question of morals. Like, how can you disapprove of me stealing from you while you steal from me and totally ok with it? I can confirm that I have NOT received any aurum gifts, so taking whatever aurum I have leftover is 100% genuine theft.
Kal Mir Blackwater Task Forces Goonswarm Federation 4	Posted - 2017.03.17 09:08:51 - [325] - Quote CCP Phantom wrote: Changes are coming to PLEX, Aurum and the New Eden Store! Our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 PLEX from CCP will instead require 500 PLEX. We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX. (...) Why don't You just change PLEXes into AUR and let you buy gametime for AUR? (also add AUR as ingame item).
Lothros Andastar Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 197	Posted - 2017.03.17 09:21:03 - [326] - Quote This is an idiotic idea. CCP once again shows they are out of touch with the playerbase and don't care about stealing from their players to line their own pockets.
Gyges Skyeye Dissidence Dawn The-Culture 38	Posted - 2017.03.17 09:29:23 - [327] - Quote A couple of things; 1. Unifying your various real money based currencies by killing Aurum; Good. 2. Trying to stiff arm your customers by not cashing out sub 1k Aurum balances, after charging real money for Aurum, while openly stating your financial motives for doing so in a public devblog?: Bad... Dude where's my class action lawsuit bad. "Devblog citation for the record" wrote: Q: Why are you only converting Aurum balances above 1000? A: A large portion of the total Aurum stockpile is in small balances left over from past giveaways and by not converting those small balances we mitigate risk of oversupply in the PLEX market Imagine for a moment that some company like Sony would go and publish an announcement saying to the effect 'All PlayStation Network Wallet balances under $5 will not be honored and have been deleted.' They would take a lawsuit up the rear sphincter. Your a corporation that is selling product across jurisdictions worldwide and what you've proposed is going to run into problems. It's theft with more words. You do have options for removing the long tail of Aurum accounts off your balance sheet responsibly. You don't have to convert all that Aurum into the new PLEX system at a single time. You can convert sub 1000 Aurum balance it 1/6th at a time for 6 months after freezing the obsolete currency. Or more plainly, you could outright convert remaining sub 1000 Aurum into Skill Points at a rate of your choosing, appropriate to the training time it could create. That's a piece of monetary policy that you do control, would remove the PLEX liability from the balance sheet, while furthering your goals of getting more players to try the process of consuming skill points. Ultimately as a customer the concerning thing here isn't that you are streamlining your currency or altering what products you might sell via microtransactions in the future. The concern lies in the fact a multiple point failure in your internal practices and controls has occurred to the point where you have publically published and openly declared an intended path of theft. That failure requires internal review.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 143	Posted - 2017.03.17 09:46:36 - [328] - Quote Con Solo wrote: CCP is killing the PLEX trade just like they killed the boosters. Magically transporting PLEX through a Vault is complete nonsense. Give an undocking warning FFS. You will get the same result of "protecting new players" without destroying an aspect of the game. And CCP says "oh but moving PLEX will still be a thing". No it won't- there is now a surefire way to move PLEX throughout the universe safely. This is killing a portion of the economy many players enjoy. I am hoping this is all a bad April fools joke. The Vault must not happen. The Vault is actually good idea. Anything reducing jita undock fapping stupidity is a good idea. Going to 1 currency is also a good idea I can support. Stealing AUR on the other hand is complete wacko. CCP has truly lost it. Astrid Farnsworth wrote: People need to stop freak out and wait for more detail. This is like the pre-alpha status update. That's what they said about fighter and rorq changes. Look at them live. Now look at this.
Lunoh Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 09:50:03 - [329] - Quote why not 300 or 600 ? it would open up the possibility for paying for just 1 day of gametime in the future, also **** move for stealing my 250 AUR...
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 143	Posted - 2017.03.17 09:58:38 - [330] - Quote Roland Schlosser wrote: Why don't we just gank everything in Jita/Perimeter until they drop this stupid idea ganker tears best tears.

Saco Bissett Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 09:58:53 - [331] - Quote Stealing something I paid for is not going to fly. Splitting up a plex to 500 pieced but requireing you to have all 500 pieces to add game time is ********.
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 2248	Posted - 2017.03.17 09:59:40 - [332] - Quote If you want the players to love the new PLEX use it as a motivation and drop one here and there. Perhaps escalation from high-sec to low-sec could have a chance to drop a mini-PLEX? That kind of stuff to encourage players to go where they didnGÇÖt dare to go before. And I like the idea to split PLEX by 720 to make it one hour of game time each. Now about the GÇ£CCP is robbing our AurumGÇ¥ problem: -Players made a lot of Alpha accounts to get free YC119 Yoiul Festival Accelerator -All those accounts got free Aurum a few days later -CCP does not want to convert all this free Yoiul Aurum to Mini-PLEX (I guess) -Therefore CCP wonGÇÖt convert GÇ£lowGÇ¥ Aurum amounts to PLEX I can understand the problem here, but they should not handle it like that because this throws all the players under the bus that didnGÇÖt register Alpha accounts for the Yoiul giveaways and just have some "legit" Aurum left. Perhaps CCP can do it like that: -Convert ALL Aurum on Omega accounts and Aurum amounts greater 500 on Alpha Accounts to Mini-PLEX -Convert Aurum amounts below 500 on Alpha Accounts to ISK or give out a shirt/hat/whatever -Just DONGÇÖT make any Aurum disappear without compensation to avoid unnecessary drama
Thilien Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 10:08:26 - [333] - Quote So I hope this PLEX change is the first step from featuree called "pay for time you spent in game". I want for such a long time to have such an option in EVE and WOW to pay xx amount of PLEX/money to either 1/ play for 2 - 3 days as Omega clone 2/ to have something like top my time credit that will allow me to play for some time as Omega and that will be depleted only during time I am online in the game. For me as casual player this would be great feature to pay some PLEX / money for 2 - 3 days of play time. As it is quite waste of money ( for me mainly ) to pay for 30 days of game time via plex or subscription and not play at least for 10 days bcs of RL things ( family , kids, work , travel ) So hope CCP you will bring this feature in near future.
Sharcy Shibari Mure 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 10:09:27 - [334] - Quote Everything #332 says.
Blaad Booyashaka Hotline K162 6	Posted - 2017.03.17 10:16:00 - [335] - Quote One currency: Great, but make it 100 or 1000 conversion, ain't nobody time for math. Purging AUR: Terrible idea PR-wise, monocle gate 2.0, etc. Convert it into something. Like less than 1000 AUR -> free revamp. costs CCP nothing in terms of lost sales won't impact PLEX prices will be useful for inactive accounts too
Borgum FA-JIN 4	Posted - 2017.03.17 10:18:49 - [336] - Quote You should just get rid of plex and aurum and make ISK the only unit used for transactions. You are creating complexity for no reason because you now realize you made a mistake when you created aurum. "IMake plex available across chars on an account". . .I sell plex to get isk and then "give" my other chars isk. How easy is that?
Nosum Hseebnrido Interregnum. 14	Posted - 2017.03.17 10:28:43 - [337] - Quote The only positive change I see in this 'new' plex system is that somone who want to buy a new jacket on the eve store for 385p(plexes), will have to buy from CCP even pack of plexes, and then he would return to the market remaing 115 plexes is his account - it would have impact on price per plex(from time to time) depend on new conntent, making 30 days sub extend cheaper. Someone suggested that if current plex would transform to 720 pices it would make more sens because 30 days is 720 houers, and that player will be able to inject less then 30 days at once to they sub account. Well if it would be delivered it would have negative impac on what I told. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Nosum_Hseebnrido
Maka Hung Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 10:38:02 - [338] - Quote Folks, CCP never confirmed or denied that you will be able to activate less than 500 microplex for game time. Nor is it there in the video of the UI. So I wouldn't get my hopes up yet. OTOH the number 500 makes it easy to do something like this: Activate 20 microplex for 1 day of game time! (500 = 25 days) Activate 250 microplex for 2 weeks of game time! (500 = 28 days) Activate 500 microplex for a month of game time! (500 = 30 days)
Nosum Hseebnrido Interregnum. 15	Posted - 2017.03.17 10:42:12 - [339] - Quote Maka Hung wrote: Folks, CCP never confirmed or denied that you will be able to activate less than 500 microplex for game time. Nor is it there in the video of the UI. So I wouldn't get my hopes up yet. OTOH the number 500 makes it easy to do something like this: Activate 20 microplex for 1 day of game time! (500 = 25 days) Activate 250 microplex for 2 weeks of game time! (500 = 28 days) Activate 500 microplex for a month of game time! (500 = 30 days) In the meantime they jumping from one '''clever''' idea to another, so don't be surprise... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Nosum_Hseebnrido
Kaivarian Coste Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 133	Posted - 2017.03.17 10:42:40 - [340] - Quote Like: + the decommissioning of aurum + PLEX granularity Don't like: - stiffing customers with <1000 aurum

Krynn Fennir Black Sheep Down Tactical Narcotics Team 1	Posted - 2017.03.17 10:56:21 - [341] - Quote What are you smoking? Why would anyone want something other than Ship Hanger and Inventory at the top of the inventory window? Is fozzie part of this team? I get that making Eve more accessible has the potential to increase your subscriptions, but I'm seriously starting to wonder how many PC games are left out there, everything keeps getting dumbed down to easy mode so the kids can play...
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 704	Posted - 2017.03.17 10:58:34 - [342] - Quote What is the CSM opinion on: CCP Phantom wrote: We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX. "I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville If you need a scout mail me.
Alexander Bor Polaris Global 11	Posted - 2017.03.17 11:12:21 - [343] - Quote Good idea... for CCP. I hope for players too. It's hard to predict possible effects. At the current moment it looks like just neutral update which bring things that should be done long ago. There's only one possible negative (on my opinion) effect that may occur (and may not) - EVE will shift from it's unique nature to become just like another "pay-to-win" game. Maybe for someone this is good but for me definitely not. In my opinion the only option for EVE to survive is to be a something special with it's own atmosphere. Some changes of the last few years seems lead EVE away from it's style. It is paradoxical but trying to gain ONLINE numbers fast will cause epic failure in the end.
Mara'Keshi 13. Enigma Project 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 11:17:11 - [344] - Quote So you are stealing my Aurum across all my accounts? (all <1000 AUR) Great.... Thanks I guess
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 66	Posted - 2017.03.17 11:19:38 - [345] - Quote Roland Schlosser wrote: After years of trying to kill the price of PLEX on the market, CCP has finally found a winning formula. The only reason they're doing this is to make the barrier to subbing lower for those casuals they so desperately want playing EVE This; And funny **** - after annoucing this crap the plex rise skyrocket for an extra +100mil;
Rendering Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 15	Posted - 2017.03.17 11:21:37 - [346] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: What is the CSM opinion on: CCP Phantom wrote: We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX. LOL that you think the CSM's opinion matters, or that it was anything other than sucking up like the sycophants they all are.
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 66	Posted - 2017.03.17 11:21:45 - [347] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Kyttn wrote: "Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000? A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX." Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here 7 aurum will become 1 plex. so 1050 aurum is 150 plex. They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000 BTW how long you knew about that changes? As you sound very well informed; As a "voice of the players" i think players should know about that idea before its gonna be implemented; Same with the new march patch when u were bitching about how great it is; I'm gonna say - CSM are worthless and not needed as they are do nothing good for community; They are just a CCP bitches, thats all;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 66	Posted - 2017.03.17 11:23:28 - [348] - Quote Cearain wrote: I agree it could mean that. But they specifically reference the time 30 days. And that suggests they will do smaller amounts of time. Hopefully they won't do that. As you and I both agree they will lose allot of money if they do. They wont; They would get even more; Have u ever tried to buy something in bigger bulk? There is always a discount for this; This time i can easly imagine that CCP would ask at 300-350 "plex" for a half a month, and 500 for a month;
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 66	Posted - 2017.03.17 11:24:42 - [349] - Quote Eleonora Crendraven wrote: " The PLEX Vault will allow you to move PLEX safely throughout the universe rather than having to move it in a ship. It will still be possible to carry it in a ship like any other item if you want, so if you have an urge to fill a shuttle full of PLEX and tour low sec just drag PLEX out of the vault and into your cargo and youGÇÖre good to go. We know how much you love it when ships blow up with piles of PLEX inside, we even might understand why, but, we also donGÇÖt want new PLEX users to be losing their PLEX before they can trade it because they didnGÇÖt know how to get to market safely." I like people who have to move PLEX in a ship. I think I am not the only one. Moving around large amounts of cash should be risky. And a very good reason to use your brain. So please, NOOOOO And again... MASSIVE PLEX LOSES IS JUST A RTM, ITS NOT A NORMAL PLAYER BEHAVIOUR ffs
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 705	Posted - 2017.03.17 11:52:59 - [350] - Quote Rendering wrote: LOL that you think the CSM's opinion matters, or that it was anything other than sucking up like the sycophants they all are. CSM opinions matters to me, because CSM are players representatives (at least some of them), not CCP representatives. This is not some game balancing issue, some players paid real cash money for AURUM. How do you thing CCP convince me to spend my money on the game when they do things like this? This must be transparent. CSM are here for the players, not CCP, election are here and they afraid of talking about difficult issues? As for CSM, never like the concept, and frankly I can't see the benefit of having them as my representative. Just a bunch of people who see content before playerbase and can give insignificant feedback most of the time. "I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville If you need a scout mail me.

Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 67	Posted - 2017.03.17 12:07:18 - [351] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: CSM opinions matters to me, because CSM are players representatives (at least some of them), not CCP representatives I feel sorry for you being so naive..
Takatii Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1	Posted - 2017.03.17 12:12:02 - [352] - Quote Do I smell the gateway to micro-transactions brewing? Why else would you want Plex in such small units?
Anthar Thebess 1689	Posted - 2017.03.17 12:17:14 - [353] - Quote Takatii wrote: Do I smell the gateway to micro-transactions brewing? Why else would you want Plex in such small units? GOLD AMMO GOLD AMMO GOLD AMMO GOLD AMMO GOLD AMMO GOLD AMMO This change makes me so sad. Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists Show your support to The Cause!
Rivr Luzade Kenshin. DARKNESS. 2987	Posted - 2017.03.17 12:25:30 - [354] - Quote By the way... instead of this rubbish, would you please be so kind and fix PLEX time donations? When you currently donate game time to another character via PLEX, you can only enter the characters name and hope you hit the right guy. From the donation window you cannot open the character info window to check if it's really the right person. This ought to get fixed with these changes in order to actually make PLEX usage measurably easier and safer. UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 705	Posted - 2017.03.17 12:28:09 - [355] - Quote Takatii wrote: Do I smell the gateway to micro-transactions brewing? Why else would you want Plex in such small units? There won't be AURUM so they need more granular currency to sell items from NEX store. "I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville If you need a scout mail me.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp 283	Posted - 2017.03.17 12:35:27 - [356] - Quote Then again, why not just convert PLEX to AUR and make AUR that new item? Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 144	Posted - 2017.03.17 12:40:35 - [357] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: What is the CSM opinion on: CCP Phantom wrote: We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX. Jin already answered about it in the thread: Just buy plex and top up your aurum. What he forgot to add is that his market alt already made a killing by pushing plex prices 200m up 3 days ago.
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 705	Posted - 2017.03.17 12:45:52 - [358] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Jin already answered about it in the thread: Just buy plex and top up your aurum. What he forgot to add is that his market alt already made a killing by pushing plex prices 200m up 3 days ago. So basically he's telling me to spend RL or ingame money because of this arbirtary CCP decision? "I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville If you need a scout mail me.
Evi Polevhia True Slave Foundations Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group 1308	Posted - 2017.03.17 13:00:23 - [359] - Quote Jesus, people act like they've never heard of a stock split.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 144	Posted - 2017.03.17 13:13:55 - [360] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Jin already answered about it in the thread: Just buy plex and top up your aurum. What he forgot to add is that his market alt already made a killing by pushing plex prices 200m up 3 days ago. So basically he's telling me to spend RL or ingame money because of this arbirtary CCP decision? He insists you can sell 500 new plex back after change and have your ISK back. What he doesn't say is that it'll be back to previous price after his market manipulation. I mean, if that's the way, what is the ******* point of not converting aurum below 1000 to new plex right away anyway?

Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 70	Posted - 2017.03.17 13:17:10 - [361] - Quote @Orca answer is simple, to "rob you" from it; Not to mention there is a lot of free AURUM in peoples accounts which CCP want to get rid off, but then they didn't care about this one which were bought;
Jagged Palleon Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 3	Posted - 2017.03.17 13:35:09 - [362] - Quote Tbh this convertion away from Aurum to something I can buy for ISK is good and dandy. Taking away <1000 AUR is literally an idea so dumb that I cannot believe that there is one professional PR person working at CCP. I have never bought AUR and also was not clever enough to log in during such giveaway events. So I have absolutely no skin in this game. If we consider that the AUR amounts you can buy are not really compatible with the NES prices it is obvious that every person that ever bought AUR with RL money will probably have <1000 AUR on their accounts. Now, I get the argument that they don't want to screw over the prices of the new -¦PLEX with all that gifted AUR (especially from those Alphas just created for this). But there are other ways and they have been suggested here. Imo the best one is AUR -> SP, because it solves a few problems: - SP is time and time is money. Even if you are not active at the moment you will have the free SP when you are again and the paying costumer gets something for his/her money - The Alpha Accounts just for collecting are pretty useless. If they were created just for collecting gifts they will have <5mio SP and so they cannot go and extract the free SP -> no market shake-ups. But really: from time to time I get the feeling that the people at CCP have no clue what they are doing. They should hire a person who explains to them what PR is and how to not constantly screw it up. They are just lucky that they hit the ball with Eve, and that there is no one out there trying to push into the same niche. Because that someone with the right ideas could just kill Eve.
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 70	Posted - 2017.03.17 13:42:24 - [363] - Quote @Jagged palleon I agree with everything except one; CCP exactly know what they are doing... the problem is that they don't care what people think about it ;
Jagged Palleon Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 3	Posted - 2017.03.17 13:50:46 - [364] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: @Jagged palleon I agree with everything except one; CCP exactly know what they are doing... the problem is that they don't care what people think about it ; What I am saying is that they don't know what they are doing PR wise. They probably know that they are screwing people over and know it. You can only do so much ** as a business. You can get away with it once, twice and more. But in the end it will accumulate to a bad reputation that you will never lose again. Take EA for example or other studios. Yes they have their 13 year old "buy everything" monkeys, but then look at CD Red Project. I have not really played the Witcher but I know that their customers love them, because they don't do this kind of **. And it even is good for them economically. The problem is that CCP seems to be playing the short term route atm to rake in money.
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 70	Posted - 2017.03.17 13:55:18 - [365] - Quote You are right. As long as there are no game compared to Eve, they wont care;
Benjamin Hamburg SnaiLs aNd FroGs WE FORM V0LTA 62	Posted - 2017.03.17 14:01:31 - [366] - Quote Will we hit 20 pages before a dev care to answer us? This **** is completely dumb, it remind me of Incarna. That and the fact your CSM is rigged. Just by curiosity, I decided to check how much money I gave you for AUR since the beginning: 40$. That's a lot of money just to have space swag - and now you are telling me that any remaining balance won't be given back to me? Seems like the most autistic corporate directive I'v saw, after airmiles tried to do the same. Please do everyone a favor and start acting like a normal, respectable company.
Cearain Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing 1506	Posted - 2017.03.17 14:01:55 - [367] - Quote Now that the new plex dev blog is out, maybe we can hear how our csm "represented" players when they discussed this with ccp? Can we have minutes that cover this? Perhaps instead of just not doing minutes that cover nda stuff do the minutes but then release them when the info goes public. After all I hear having the csm be a sounding board for this new stuff is supposed to be the real value to players. So why can't we read what they said? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Yorrick Kayne Kosmische Kollegen 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 14:13:33 - [368] - Quote Gregorius Goldstein wrote: Now about the GÇ£CCP is robbing our AurumGÇ¥ problem: -Players made a lot of Alpha accounts to get free YC119 Yoiul Festival Accelerator -All those accounts got free Aurum a few days later -CCP does not want to convert all this free Yoiul Aurum to Mini-PLEX (I guess) -Therefore CCP wonGÇÖt convert GÇ£lowGÇ¥ Aurum amounts to PLEX I confess, I made a couple of accounts for last years winter festival. I am just gonna buy some skins and will be done with it. But I can understand players that bought Aurum and have less then 1000 units less are going to feel screwed. Gregorius Goldstein wrote: -Convert Aurum amounts of 500 and less on Alpha Accounts to ISK or give out a shirt/hat/whatever -Just DONGÇÖT make any Aurum disappear without compensation to avoid unnecessary drama If you want the players to love the new PLEX use it as a motivation and drop one here and there. Perhaps escalation from high-sec to low-sec could have a chance to drop a mini-PLEX? That kind of stuff to encourage players to go where they didnGÇÖt dare to go before. And I like the idea to split PLEX by 720 to make it one hour of game time each. Fine with me.
Aegon Cadelanne KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2017.03.17 14:17:23 - [369] - Quote Con Solo wrote: CCP is killing the PLEX trade just like they killed the boosters. Magically transporting PLEX through a Vault is complete nonsense. Give an undocking warning FFS. You will get the same result of "protecting new players" without destroying an aspect of the game. And CCP says "oh but moving PLEX will still be a thing". No it won't- there is now a surefire way to move PLEX throughout the universe safely. This is killing a portion of the economy many players enjoy. I am hoping this is all a bad April fools joke. The Vault must not happen. When you think about what a license is, having to move PLEXes will actually be illogical and the "magic vault" would make more sense. One would think that a highly advanced civilization of people would just record licenses and trades concerning them electronically (which means no physical items to be moved whatsoever). Besides... losing billions worth of items in-game is well since their origin is in-game. PLEX is only obtainable through real world money and now it will be treated as a currency. Isk is currency. Does it drop when a player gets blapped? No, it doesn't.
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate 1979	Posted - 2017.03.17 14:22:20 - [370] - Quote This drama is silly Akrasjel Lanate Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate Executor of Naquatech Syndicate Citizen of Solitude

SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 2	Posted - 2017.03.17 14:46:24 - [371] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: @Jagged palleon I agree with everything except one; CCP exactly know what they are doing... the problem is that they don't care what people think about it ; Sure they care, within certain limits, but they do care. If not, they would not have put out these tentative feelers this far ahead of time. Keep in mind that during Fanfest a tentative and preliminary timeline for processes and development will be announced. That's a clear signal of being careful. While that might not be exactly the same as caring as such, it does make clear that they deliberately created room for it within and through being careful. This CCP manages its dependancies. Baby steps. Now since CSM is so silly as it's not a stakeholder, folks who do feel upset and who do have constructive feedback should keep an eye on CCP's questions following the announcement of feedback rounds. It isn't like this is the same CCP as some years ago, sure the plan will already be in place - but the execution leaves room for proper application. And hey, down the road they'll give the bone they already keep behind their back, and everybody will be happy again
Alderson Point Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2017.03.17 14:49:00 - [372] - Quote Sharcy wrote: Alderson Point wrote: The vault will totally remove Plex as a commodity where trading arbitrage occurs. Plex has become such a Trading vehicle that the entire point of the commodity, a token, or promissory note, exchangeable for services has been lost. The ENTIRE effect of the vault is to return it to this role. Whatever is said in the dev blog, this was not accidental, and the primary reason for these changes. If you are a Trader, look for something new to trade. Again, why? If you buy stock in Google, do you go to Mountain View to pick up the piece of paper that says you own it and bring it to Wall Street to sell it? No. There is no reason why PLEX can't still be traded. There is no arbitrage, the price will either be homogenised or buy opportunities will appear all over new eden, there will be NO reason to Physically move Plex to Jita, that can be done via the Vault. Traders will be no longer able to Force the price up in just the main hubs, they will have to manipulate the entirety of eve if they wish to cont
J Markov Dropbears Anonymous Friendly Probes 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 14:49:02 - [373] - Quote Please do not make this change. I have been playing for several years now, and this is the first time I have felt the need to actually post to the forums to express my strong disagreement with a change that CCP has planned. I have less than 1000 aurum on all three of my accounts and would prefer to not lose it. Please look at the feedback being provided by the player base.
SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 2	Posted - 2017.03.17 15:05:16 - [374] - Quote Alderson Point wrote: Sharcy wrote: Alderson Point wrote: The vault will totally remove Plex as a commodity where trading arbitrage occurs. Plex has become such a Trading vehicle that the entire point of the commodity, a token, or promissory note, exchangeable for services has been lost. The ENTIRE effect of the vault is to return it to this role. Whatever is said in the dev blog, this was not accidental, and the primary reason for these changes. If you are a Trader, look for something new to trade. Again, why? If you buy stock in Google, do you go to Mountain View to pick up the piece of paper that says you own it and bring it to Wall Street to sell it? No. There is no reason why PLEX can't still be traded. There is no arbitrage, the price will either be homogenised or buy opportunities will appear all over new eden, there will be NO reason to Physically move Plex to Jita, that can be done via the Vault. Traders will be no longer able to Force the price up in just the main hubs, they will have to manipulate the entirety of eve if they wish to cont And this is hard how? It's terribly easy.
Last Ninja Diversity 101 The Bastard Cartel 20	Posted - 2017.03.17 15:23:31 - [375] - Quote In what world is it acceptable to straight up remove the balance of a customer? If a bank did this when converting from IRE-ú to Gé¼ for all balances under 5-ú there would have been riots at the bank!
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 2104	Posted - 2017.03.17 15:29:11 - [376] - Quote Capqu wrote: do you know how crazy that sounds when a company is willing to do things as scumbag and shady as this? Just imagine how crazy it looks when lots of players are going to visit FanFest and befriend with members of this company This is completely new level of sheepness: CCP: "they are cash cow for our side projects" Players: we love CCP! The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
DARK LORIAN Viziam Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2017.03.17 15:37:42 - [377] - Quote i like the changes to come
Jebidus Skari Comply Or Die Fidelas Constans 14	Posted - 2017.03.17 15:42:51 - [378] - Quote Nave Olswin wrote: Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This was my first reaction as well, i like the idea of granularity in omega time, but 1:500 is so bizarre for anyone who uses PLEX as a license extension, making it 1:720 seems like it makes far more sense. 1:720 still gives enough granularity for ex-aurum transactions without being cumbersome, but makes the PLEX to Omega conversion much easier, i want 6 hours of omega with this alt? 6 PLEX. If CCP is concerned about people abusing extremely short omega bursts to do specific jobs rather than paying for omega for longer periods, then set specific time periods, 24 plex for 1 day, 168 plex for a week, etc. If CCP are not planning on allowing more granular omega access, then I don't really see the point in replacing the aurum system anyway, it wasn't really that difficult to understand ccp state they are not offering game time in mini transactions
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 146	Posted - 2017.03.17 15:48:48 - [379] - Quote So, to sum it up: 3 days before change plex price rises 200mil. CCP: we will steal your aurum because ** you, hey CSM dawgs, you calm them down. CSM: Worry not, dear players, just buy plex and convert (we manipulated market to have our little share too), you can sell it back when it's done (we will manipulate market the other way to have our second little share). Players: If we can do it with plex and keep all our AUR after conversion, what is the point of not just converting it straight away, if leftover AUR is your concern? (presumed) CCP: But this will not you, no can do!!! And CSM won't agree, they are invested in market manipulation, we can't ** them over, they may... gasp actually represent someone if we do!!!
Nave Olswin Incompetent Industrial TMA Corps of Engineering 2	Posted - 2017.03.17 15:52:36 - [380] - Quote Jebidus Skari wrote: Nave Olswin wrote: Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This was my first reaction as well, i like the idea of granularity in omega time, but 1:500 is so bizarre for anyone who uses PLEX as a license extension, making it 1:720 seems like it makes far more sense. 1:720 still gives enough granularity for ex-aurum transactions without being cumbersome, but makes the PLEX to Omega conversion much easier, i want 6 hours of omega with this alt? 6 PLEX. If CCP is concerned about people abusing extremely short omega bursts to do specific jobs rather than paying for omega for longer periods, then set specific time periods, 24 plex for 1 day, 168 plex for a week, etc. If CCP are not planning on allowing more granular omega access, then I don't really see the point in replacing the aurum system anyway, it wasn't really that difficult to understand ccp state they are not offering game time in mini transactions This was not the case when i posted originally, the original devblog says "Currently, PLEX is rather large. By always existing as a one-month chunk of subscription time, PLEX can be cumbersome to buy and trade. *We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days*." hence leading to the speculation that we could see smaller sub times. This has since been addressed in the FAQ section with "Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages." I still think the ratio should be 1:720 to leave their options open down the line, or possibly 1:1000 as base 1000 is easier to maths with than 1:500 as stated by many others

Chris Ishar Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 3	Posted - 2017.03.17 16:07:33 - [381] - Quote Skully Luv wrote: With all due respect, who cares? We want new ships, new PVE content, new WH content, more ways to kill each other in PVP. Please stop wasting dev resources on this and other useless things like skins. Ccp cares. Ccp makes the game and gets the real life money. You make the forum posts. Learn your position. Tanuki Kittybeta wrote: how many hours/days does 1 micro plex give pls Absolutely zero. You need 500 to buy 30 Day License.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 29393	Posted - 2017.03.17 16:18:31 - [382] - Quote Def Monk wrote: So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time? One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX. If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know. EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. I too would like PLEX CHARGE to be equal to a 1 hour of PLEXing, I mean subscription time. Lets just call it PLEX CHARGES from now on. PLEX CHARGES on the way. \o/ Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 147	Posted - 2017.03.17 16:34:59 - [383] - Quote Chris Ishar wrote: Ccp cares. Ccp makes the game and gets the real life money. You make the forum posts. Learn your position. And I make the money they make from my payments. I haven't got free AUR but have 500 I paid for. And I don't want to buy plex after CFCSM faggots inflated prices on it to make a killing while everyone rushes to save their AUR, because ** CFCSM in general and every single member of it personally, they represent nobody and just in it for their mortgage, elected during boycott and approving like pretty much every change in this patch (Tried to use new probe window. Couldn't. Simply couldn't. And don't get me started on fighters and rorq). This is a clear case why CFCSM of CCPL must go itself. Nana Skalski wrote:** PLEX CHARGES on the way. \o/ Load them into your small blasters to ensure 100% droprate... nah ganktards would still cry about something even after this buff, since they're crying after all other buffs too.
Cearain Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing 1508	Posted - 2017.03.17 16:38:57 - [384] - Quote Sullen Decimus wrote: Gogela wrote: Obil Que wrote: Sullen Decimus wrote: SIEGE RED wrote: Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? Tinfoil 1: PLEX rising prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices Tinfoil 2: PLEX falls prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices Choose Tinfoil 1 You don't think that's more than coincidence? OK than... I just want to know why you think that we are told "hey guys we're going to inject a shitload of plex into the game when aurum converts" would ever equate to me wanting to go buy enough plex to jump the market up by 15%. Its not whether the strategy was smart it is whether it was due to a leak. Was the strategy smart? Well plex will now gain a new use that it didn't have before - i.e., it can now be used for everything that aurum used to be required for in a direct way. Combine that with ccp literally erasing a large amount of aurum from the system and I can see why it might go up. Traditionally every time ccp added these new functions for plex the price went up. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Freelancer117 So you want to be a Hero 519	Posted - 2017.03.17 16:42:51 - [385] - Quote Quote: Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages. The Bull-shite is strong with this one source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6638342 Regards, a Freelancer Eve online is : A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg http://bit.ly/1egr4mF
Iowa Banshee Fenrir Vangard 125	Posted - 2017.03.17 16:43:52 - [386] - Quote I like the consolidation of currency and am not really bothered about the 1 to 500 exchange but I agree 720 would be a better way to manage the conversion. I did buy some Aur for Pink charity skins and have 350 left on 2 accounts I will probably top them up to over 1000 to avoid loss. I dislike the available anywhere vault: I have always thought being able to access an in-game item anywhere in the universe breaks immersion and would prefer a system where the PLEX are held at a NPC bank of your choice. Have the game time act like a booster so that you have to be in the same place as it to consume it - Give a reason for player to risk moving PLEX & Mulit-player training certificates around in ships.
Freelancer117 So you want to be a Hero 519	Posted - 2017.03.17 16:55:34 - [387] - Quote Good thing you are moving away from multiple in game currencies, usually a F2P game tends to bombard you with many types Eve online is : A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg http://bit.ly/1egr4mF
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 29393	Posted - 2017.03.17 17:07:47 - [388] - Quote Iowa Banshee wrote: I like the consolidation of currency and am not really bothered about the 1 to 500 exchange but I agree 720 would be a better way to manage the conversion. I did buy some Aur for Pink charity skins and have 350 left on 2 accounts I will probably top them up to over 1000 to avoid loss. I dislike the available anywhere vault: I have always thought being able to access an in-game item anywhere in the universe breaks immersion and would prefer a system where the PLEX are held at a NPC bank of your choice. Have the game time act like a booster so that you have to be in the same place as it to consume it - Give a reason for player to risk moving PLEX & Mulit-player training certificates around in ships. I think they should scan accounts for bought Aurum and then for spent Aurum on those accounts. They should convert ALL BOUGHT and NOT SPENT Aurum for PLEX. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Con Solo Ministry of War Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 17:33:23 - [389] - Quote Alderson Point wrote: Merin Ryskin wrote: Alderson Point wrote: Think of it logically, Imagine if you had to carry all your isk around with you all the time, sure a gold mine for gankers, but it would basically be an awful mechanic. Why should game time be any different? Because, unlike ISK, PLEX is a trading commodity. You buy and sell it on the market, you can invest in it and hope to sell for more at a later time, you can attempt to play the market taking advantage of price differences in different locations, etc. None of that happens with ISK. The vault will totally remove Plex as a commodity where trading arbitrage occurs. Plex has become such a Trading vehicle that the entire point of the commodity, a token, or promissory note, exchangeable for services has been lost. The ENTIRE effect of the vault is to return it to this role. Whatever is said in the dev blog, this was not accidental, and the primary reason for these changes. If you are a Trader, look for something new to trade. This is unintelligible tripe. What are you on about? Of course PLEX is a trading vehicle. Of course there is arbitrage. That's how its suppose to work. What do you even mean when you say the vault will return it to this role? The role of a commodity? Which it already is? And what do promissory notes have to do with PLEX? Honestly, what on earth are you babbling about?
Con Solo Ministry of War Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 17:41:47 - [390] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: Eleonora Crendraven wrote: " The PLEX Vault will allow you to move PLEX safely throughout the universe rather than having to move it in a ship. It will still be possible to carry it in a ship like any other item if you want, so if you have an urge to fill a shuttle full of PLEX and tour low sec just drag PLEX out of the vault and into your cargo and youGÇÖre good to go. We know how much you love it when ships blow up with piles of PLEX inside, we even might understand why, but, we also donGÇÖt want new PLEX users to be losing their PLEX before they can trade it because they didnGÇÖt know how to get to market safely." I like people who have to move PLEX in a ship. I think I am not the only one. Moving around large amounts of cash should be risky. And a very good reason to use your brain. So please, NOOOOO And again... MASSIVE PLEX LOSES IS JUST A RTM, ITS NOT A NORMAL PLAYER BEHAVIOUR ffs What does "RTM" stand for?

SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 2	Posted - 2017.03.17 17:43:55 - [391] - Quote Con Solo wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Eleonora Crendraven wrote: " The PLEX Vault will allow you to move PLEX safely throughout the universe rather than having to move it in a ship. It will still be possible to carry it in a ship like any other item if you want, so if you have an urge to fill a shuttle full of PLEX and tour low sec just drag PLEX out of the vault and into your cargo and youGÇÖre good to go. We know how much you love it when ships blow up with piles of PLEX inside, we even might understand why, but, we also donGÇÖt want new PLEX users to be losing their PLEX before they can trade it because they didnGÇÖt know how to get to market safely." I like people who have to move PLEX in a ship. I think I am not the only one. Moving around large amounts of cash should be risky. And a very good reason to use your brain. So please, NOOOOO And again... MASSIVE PLEX LOSES IS JUST A RTM, ITS NOT A NORMAL PLAYER BEHAVIOUR ffs What does "RTM" stand for? Read The Manual. I suppose.
StonerPhReaK Herb Men 629	Posted - 2017.03.17 17:48:51 - [392] - Quote Plex Vault should be tied to wallet. Not inventory. This should be a given CCP. If it cant be flown or fit to a ship it shouldn't be tied to the inventory. Having to figure out what to do with the little bit of aurum i have before it poofs is giving me anxiety. Thats just plain mean. Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Jeven HouseBenyo Vanity Thy Name Is 435	Posted - 2017.03.17 17:52:25 - [393] - Quote CCP, if you plan to just delete Aurum totals under this 1000 threshold, I strongly suggest you give those accounts with 999 and less Aurum some sort of compensation. Whether as Mini-Plexes, SPs, ISK, SKiNs, random (Marketable!) trinkets or another compensation. To just delete those Aurum with no fair return on the value is immoral, wrong, and appears very similar to RL theft. I'd get rather steamed if a bank deleted any of my savings if their software devs decided keeping track of low amounts of dollars and cents was too much effort, since that would be stealing. Perhaps letting those with multiple accounts lump that Aurum into one account to cross the magic 1K number? And remainder Aurum get whichever fair compensation thing you decide upon? Piracy, theft, and scams are perfectly fine in-game. NOT as a RL business model for customer interaction. >Jeven's Keyboardist Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel. 'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises. Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup. Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Freelancer117 So you want to be a Hero 520	Posted - 2017.03.17 18:28:17 - [394] - Quote Nice Win - Win situation you created for yourselves CCP games. Most F2P games have many currencies to dazzle their customers, but you have chosen to stick with just the "one".... PLEX And for bookkeeping reasons it can still be tracked as deferred debt on the balance sheet. source: http://marketsforisk.blogspot.nl/p/ccp-financials-my-attempt.html By increasing the granularity of the old Plex into new plex (500 pieces) the Company can synthetically increase demand for the new plex commodity. If Alpha clones try very very hard, one day they can scrounge up 500 pieces. This higher demand for the same commodity (the new plex pieces) will no doubt increase it's comparable ISK value to the old Plex, and since you soon get more isk value out of your rl $$$ for plex, the supply Volume will gradually increase to. And there we have it: the Company wins on two fronts, by selling more Plex volume on one side and writing that deferred income with a higher turnover time in the books. Regards, a Freelancer ps: watch out, Icelandic is again returning to the international market :) source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-12/iceland-removes-krona-controls-more-than-eight-years-after-crash Eve online is : A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg http://bit.ly/1egr4mF
Alderson Point Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2017.03.17 18:54:33 - [395] - Quote Con Solo wrote: Alderson Point wrote: Merin Ryskin wrote: Alderson Point wrote: Think of it logically, Imagine if you had to carry all your isk around with you all the time, sure a gold mine for gankers, but it would basically be an awful mechanic. Why should game time be any different? Because, unlike ISK, PLEX is a trading commodity. You buy and sell it on the market, you can invest in it and hope to sell for more at a later time, you can attempt to play the market taking advantage of price differences in different locations, etc. None of that happens with ISK. The vault will totally remove Plex as a commodity where trading arbitrage occurs. Plex has become such a Trading vehicle that the entire point of the commodity, a token, or promissory note, exchangeable for services has been lost. The ENTIRE effect of the vault is to return it to this role. Whatever is said in the dev blog, this was not accidental, and the primary reason for these changes. If you are a Trader, look for something new to trade. This is unintelligible tripe. What are you on about? Of course PLEX is a trading vehicle. Of course there is arbitrage. That's how its suppose to work. What do you even mean when you say the vault will return it to this role? The role of a commodity? Which it already is? And what do promissory notes have to do with PLEX? Honestly, what on earth are you babbling about? you may have failed to understand. people will buy EVERYWHERE and just put it in Jita with their alt on the same account. No one will be able to buy Plex and make money moving it across space. You do understand what arbitrage means don't you or is it just a word for you you heard somewhere?
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2017.03.17 19:07:44 - [396] - Quote Alderson Point wrote: you may have failed to understand. people will buy EVERYWHERE and just put it in Jita with their alt on the same account. No one will be able to buy Plex and make money moving it across space. You do understand what arbitrage means don't you or is it just a word for you you heard somewhere? Oh yeah because PLEX buy orders can be only created at Jita right?
AFK Hauler State War Academy 1205	Posted - 2017.03.17 19:27:40 - [397] - Quote Scanning the thread, I can see that there is about 98.76% negative response to this subject. Wonder what % we need to be before CCP calls off this nonsense. Lies, damn lies, and these numbers....
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us 154	Posted - 2017.03.17 19:41:10 - [398] - Quote sooo... what will 185 plex get me then?
Queen of Jita Deal With It Bruv Inver Brass 1	Posted - 2017.03.17 19:46:52 - [399] - Quote 000Hunter000 wrote: sooo... what will 185 plex get me then? This is a litle tricky: buy 900 AUR :) Thats the hidden catch
Moonlit Raid State War Academy Caldari State 319	Posted - 2017.03.17 19:52:01 - [400] - Quote AFK Hauler wrote: Scanning the thread, I can see that there is about 98.76% negative response to this subject. Wonder what % we need to be before CCP calls off this nonsense. Lies, damn lies, and these numbers.... I'm not totally negative on the whole idea of granulating plex, someone who wants omega but can't quite afford a month in real cash go go 50/50 isk and $. I really don't care about that. I do care Aurum I have seemingly paid for is considered below some ind of threshold of worth to CCP that they are willing to essentially rob me. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.

Disclosed Desire Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2017.03.17 20:20:04 - [401] - Quote Damn I need to get close to a CSM candidate, could have made a killing on this.
Vulvona Ride-in Inefficient Canadian Cosmic Conglomerate 4	Posted - 2017.03.17 20:41:19 - [402] - Quote since the mini plex will be "affordable", i see already all those market Warriors artificially push the value of those mini plex up. Affording 1.2B plex is harder than a 1.07B plex for example... but affording a 3M mini plex is not much harder than purchasing a 2M mini plex. Since the main goal is to enable micro transanction at an even micro-er level that those base on 1-plex-unit, i see the big majority of mini plex transaction being one with small volume of mini plex... My bet: montly plexing fees will explode ISK-wise!
Cearain Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing 1508	Posted - 2017.03.17 20:46:15 - [403] - Quote Vulvona Ride-in wrote: since the mini plex will be "affordable", i see already all those market Warriors artificially push the value of those mini plex up. Affording 1.2B plex is harder than a 1.07B plex for example... but affording a 3M mini plex is not much harder than purchasing a 2M mini plex. Since the main goal is to enable micro transanction at an even micro-er level that those base on 1-plex-unit, i see the big majority of mini plex transaction being one with small volume of mini plex... My bet: montly plexing fees will explode ISK-wise! I'm not so sure. Especially if you need 500 microPlex to get gametime. Also will the microPlex be sold on a neweden wide market or will it still be regional markets? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Lyrrashae Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 448	Posted - 2017.03.17 20:51:42 - [404] - Quote It had to happen sooner or later. Oh well, it was a fun nine years. Ni.
Torr Victros EVE University Ivy League 7	Posted - 2017.03.17 20:53:19 - [405] - Quote The part of the change I like the most is that Aurum will disappear and PLEX (or what many pilots are calling mini-PLEX) will be used as the only currency. I thought at first that 1 old PLEX will equal 500 new PLEX was too many (why not 1 old = 10 new), but then there would be a problem replacing the Aurum with the new PLEX. I suspect that, with the new currency being smaller units, there might be a lot of unexpected trade changes, but that might be good, might be exciting... Who knows. All in all, I think it is a good move.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2017.03.17 21:07:23 - [406] - Quote Lyrrashae wrote: It had to happen sooner or later. Oh well, it was a fun nine years. Uhm, what exactly happened? Vault is a great thing (even if UI for it is utter **). Unifying PLEX and AUR is ok. The only issue we have is theft of AUR under 1000. I'd totally buy PLEX, but evil CSM asshats rigged the market before announce, and I wouldn't give those ***** a dime out of my pocket. I'd totally buy AUR, but since the only thing I'm after is subscription, and AUR costs more than game time, it's a forced extortion of extra money while holding my current AUR hostage, and I don't deal with terrorists. The only remaining course of action is to lose AUR, which is a charity to CCP, and after the last patch, the only thing their charity box reception opening will see is my rectum in process of dumping contents inside it. So they put me into lose-lose-lose scenario, and I can't even counter-threat with my sub, because all my alts were cancelled the moment I tested new probe window on TQ.
The Sleeper1A The Black Widow Company. It Burns When I'm PvPing 0	Posted - 2017.03.17 21:42:05 - [407] - Quote Taking something I have paid for away is an "Unfair Business Practice" this was made an actionable offence by "The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008" under Aggressive commercial practices 7.-1 (a) and (b) Quote: 7.GÇö(1) A commercial practice is aggressive if, in its factual context, taking account of all of its features and circumstancesGÇö (a)it significantly impairs or is likely significantly to impair the average consumerGÇÖs freedom of choice or conduct in relation to the product concerned through the use of harassment, coercion or undue influence; and (b)it thereby causes or is likely to cause him to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise. The maximum fine for any one case was -ú5,000 but the cap was removed even at the old cap CCP could receive a -ú5,000 fine for every $4.99 worth of Aurum or portion thereof they steal. TL;DR if CCP takes something you paid for they will be in a hurt locker of trouble. References: Law and statutes http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/1277/contents/made -ú5,000 fine cap being removed: http://www.linklaters.com/Insights/Publication1005Newsletter/UK-Corporate-Update-1-April-2015/Pages/Statutory-max-fine-unlimited.aspx
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2017.03.17 22:06:52 - [408] - Quote The Sleeper1A wrote: Taking something I have paid for away is an "Unfair Business Practice" this was made an actionable offence by "The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008" under Aggressive commercial practices 7.-1 (a) and (b) Quote: 7.GÇö(1) A commercial practice is aggressive if, in its factual context, taking account of all of its features and circumstancesGÇö (a)it significantly impairs or is likely significantly to impair the average consumerGÇÖs freedom of choice or conduct in relation to the product concerned through the use of harassment, coercion or undue influence; and (b)it thereby causes or is likely to cause him to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise. The maximum fine for any one case was -ú5,000 but the cap was removed even at the old cap CCP could receive up to a -ú5,000 fine for every $4.99 worth of Aurum or portion thereof they steal. TL;DR if CCP takes something you paid for they will be in a hurt locker of trouble. References: Law and statutes http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/1277/contents/made -ú5,000 fine cap being removed: http://www.linklaters.com/Insights/Publication1005Newsletter/UK-Corporate-Update-1-April-2015/Pages/Statutory-max-fine-unlimited.aspx ...in which CCP relies on playerbase to actually check their decisions for legal compliance.
AFK Hauler State War Academy 1205	Posted - 2017.03.17 22:35:50 - [409] - Quote Moonlit Raid wrote: AFK Hauler wrote: Scanning the thread, I can see that there is about 98.76% negative response to this subject. Wonder what % we need to be before CCP calls off this nonsense. Lies, damn lies, and these numbers.... I'm not totally negative on the whole idea of granulating plex, someone who wants omega but can't quite afford a month in real cash go go 50/50 isk and $. I really don't care about that. I do care Aurum I have seemingly paid for is considered below some ind of threshold of worth to CCP that they are willing to essentially rob me. It's still negative... I hate the thought of getting ripped off my remaining AUR that I haven't spent and paid real money to acquire. EULA/ToS has stipulations to game QoL and mechanics, but nothing on the separate market that is outside the game (NES). No warning when purchasing the AUR that CCP can/may disregard remaining balances at their convenience.
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2017.03.17 22:55:11 - [410] - Quote What happens to the Aurum in our balance if we have under 1000 AUR? Exquisite change though CCP, A forward step towards a more civilised EVE! I was always shocked to see responsible grown ups allow real money to be evaporated so flippantly in a world where so many have nothing but struggle. Is EVE finally growing up? +1 karma point.

Olleybear Armed And Angry 232	Posted - 2017.03.17 23:15:06 - [411] - Quote AFK Hauler wrote: ... I hate the thought of getting ripped off my remaining AUR that I haven't spent and paid real money to acquire. Ladies and Gentlemen! Afraid of losing Aurum? Aurum that you have bought in the past with RL funds? In amounts less than 1001 Aurum? Have no fear! We have a solution so simple, you will be smacking your forehead wondering why you didnt think of it yourself! Its a solution to solve your very serious dilemma. A solution which is the Mother Of All Solutions, or MOAS. MOAS helps the serious pod pilot chart his(1) course through New Eden in both safety and assurety of their assets. Are you ready for the solution? Are you ready!?!? I cant hear you. ARE YOU READY!!!!!!!!! Buy a plex(2) on the market and turn it into aurum thus bringing your total balance above the minimum limit! Huzzah! \o/ Dance! \\o Dance! o// Swing! \o__o/ Fine print: (1)His includes the gender pronouns of Her, them, they, zee, and any other of the 97 genders and counting that people have figured out they are because we are a gender inclusive group and dont want to trigger anyone into a protest that may well give them a heart attack. (2)There was no leak of information on this aurum change ahead of time. Many people are able to figure out that if they buy a plex on the market and bring up their minimum Aurum balance, they wont lose any aurum they previously bought. This created more demand on the market for PLEX and thus the price rose a bit. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Sha'Uri Dark Suspicious Activity Stranger Danger. 21	Posted - 2017.03.17 23:27:24 - [412] - Quote Why not convert all AUR balances to the micro-Plex? I've got several accounts with the 300 AUR from X-mas and unless I want to get clothes with them there's nothing else that is under 300 AUR for me to clear out my balance before I lose it. It would be nice if I could pool all of it on one account and get a skin or something.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3406	Posted - 2017.03.17 23:59:35 - [413] - Quote Just FYI, I noticed some sales in the Aurum store. I don't know if it's related to this, but if it is I think that's a nice compromise for CCP. Drop prices on some skins and things so people can clear out their sub-1000k Aurum accounts. If anyone got Aurum thinking it would be worth anything more than cosmetic items they were idiots. That's all Aurum was for. My account is over 10yo. On an alt I never use I think I have about 2.4k Aurum or something, so I'm assuming that's what everyone else has who was here for all the free Aurum . That account will get the PLEX equivalent: so that's pretty good for no work into the system. I saw a reddit post by a CSM 8 guy who said he thinks the sub-1000k accounts will lose unused Aurum. Honestly the whole thing seems pretty good all around now. I'm on board with all of it. Still... CCP should probably look into the leaks. Signatures should be used responsibly...
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2017.03.18 00:00:35 - [414] - Quote Olleybear wrote: AFK Hauler wrote: ... I hate the thought of getting ripped off my remaining AUR that I haven't spent and paid real money to acquire. Ladies and Gentlemen! Afraid of losing Aurum? Aurum that you have bought in the past with RL funds? In amounts less than 1001 Aurum? Have no fear! We have a solution so simple, you will be smacking your forehead wondering why you didnt think of it yourself! Its a solution to solve your very serious dilemma. A solution which is the Mother Of All Solutions, or MOAS. MOAS helps the serious pod pilot chart his(1) course through New Eden in both safety and assurety of their assets. Are you ready for the solution? Are you ready!?!? I cant hear you. ARE YOU READY!!!!!!!!! Buy a plex(2) on the market and turn it into aurum thus bringing your total balance above the minimum limit! Huzzah! \o/ Dance! \\o Dance! o// Swing! \o__o/ Fine print: (1)His includes the gender pronouns of Her, them, they, zee, and any other of the 97 genders and counting that people have figured out they are because we are a gender inclusive group and dont want to trigger anyone into a protest that may well give them a heart attack. (2)There was no leak of information on this aurum change ahead of time. Many people are able to figure out that if they buy a plex on the market and bring up their minimum Aurum balance, they wont lose any aurum they previously bought. This created more demand on the market for PLEX and thus the price rose a bit. Hello mr. CSM market manipulating NDA profiteering alt. **** you. GTFO. P.S. Don't listen to him, market has been manipulated by CSM, for each billion you spend on market PLEX, 200 million go to CSM mortgage RMT fund.
Ronnie Rose Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2017.03.18 00:16:01 - [415] - Quote SIEGE RED wrote: Capqu wrote: convert everything, saying you wont convert under 1k for some bullshit reason is straight up pathetic especially when you STILL OFFER 900 points for 4.99Gé¼ in your store. you are scamming people plain and simple the amount being low per individual is not relevant. you [CCP] are taking/have taken money for an in-game currency now you are deciding to defunct that currency and not refund players. there is no justification for this i don't know much about law and i wont pretend to, but to me this is grounds for a class action. every single eve online account with a small amount of currency is being stolen from. being conservative and saying 30k players with 150 average AUR being stolen, you are stealing 0.83c from each player - which results in over 24,000Gé¼ stolen. and that is with VERY conservative numbers on my part i don't know what world you live in where you think you can get away with scamming that kind of money in broad daylight and brush it under the rug as a game-play decision. this isn't an in game currency you invented. this is money you took from people in return for a currency to use your store It's just bookkeeping. CCP does have to do accounting. It's minor in the overall picture, but it's still important. Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts. Actually Capcu is correct. CCP needs to tread carefully on how they handle Aurum. When people pay real money for a service it is an implied contract agreement between the seller of the service and the buyer. If the seller cancels the delivery of service after taking the buyers money without compensation it can be disputed as a breach of contract and incur a liability to the seller. There are states in the US with very liberal consumer protection laws in which this type of action could invite the dreaded class action by an opportunistic firm. CCP should not chance it and compensate players having Aurum balances no matter how much, and then impose a new EULA once the change has been made to limit liability from the changes they plan to make. We're not here to change the game, we're here to change YOUR game
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji. 2097	Posted - 2017.03.18 00:17:24 - [416] - Quote So these old accounts I have with 5500 AUR each I was given as part of the promos held post "summer of rage"....
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3406	Posted - 2017.03.18 00:38:20 - [417] - Quote Ptraci wrote: So these old accounts I have with 5500 AUR each I was given as part of the promos held post "summer of rage".... That's a good question. My accounts haven't ever lapsed, and you have a lot more than me in your idle alts. You must have gotten extra for something somewhere along the line... Signatures should be used responsibly...
Danmal TYR. Exodus. 43	Posted - 2017.03.18 01:22:10 - [418] - Quote A PLEX is a 30- day game time extension. Coincidentally [spoiler alert], the price of PLEX converts roughly into one level 4 mission a day if you run it, factor in LP, loot, and salvage. So splitting an item that is worth 30 units of something (here: days) into 500 units, instead of splitting it into 30 units, makes which sense? Splitting it into 30 units would also have the benefit that you could sell daily access for one unit of PLEX, but then you are not planning to sell shorter extensions. So the point of you multiplying stuff by 500 is ...?
Ronnie Rose Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2017.03.18 02:17:20 - [419] - Quote Danmal wrote: A PLEX is a 30- day game time extension. Coincidentally [spoiler alert], the price of PLEX converts roughly into one level 4 mission a day if you run it, factor in LP, loot, and salvage. So splitting an item that is worth 30 units of something (here: days) into 500 units, instead of splitting it into 30 units, makes which sense? Splitting it into 30 units would also have the benefit that you could sell daily access for one unit of PLEX, but then you are not planning to sell shorter extensions. So the point of you multiplying stuff by 500 is ...? Oh, that's easy. I've been thinking about why CCP would denominate PLEX at one five hundredth of it's current value. It would mean the current price of PLEX sold by CCP (about $20 US for one PLEX) would be priced at about $0.04 or 4 cents. That is considerably cheap. Now when the in game market gets too crazy with PLEX prices rising in ISK, players can opt to buy PLEX with real money from CCP. This would give CCP the flexibility to make PLEX offerings at $5 US or even $1, which would equal 25 mini PLEX's. Basically, it would drive players to consider buying PLEX outside the game and directly from CCP which of course adds to their revenue. It's pretty clever, actually, from a marketing-revenue generating aspect. We're not here to change the game, we're here to change YOUR game
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 29407	Posted - 2017.03.18 02:37:45 - [420] - Quote It will start from above 2M and will fast be nearing 3 M when all Alphas will grab a few. I would grab a few and I am Omega. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ

Richard TheLordOfDance Operation Fishbowl Inc. 18	Posted - 2017.03.18 03:43:38 - [421] - Quote I like all the changes, and understand from a gamedesign point of view why this is happening, except how the PLEX vault would work. So I would like to make some suggestions on how to improve it and fix the main problem. The only real problem with the Vault is that it makes PLEXes a virtual item accessible from anywhere, which goes against the whole philosophy of EVE. To change this I would make the Vault a physical place and PLEXes a physical item. You would still be able to exchange them for game time or use them to shop in the New Eden Store from anywhere in the universe but you would only be able to sell them where they are being stored. If you would like them somewhere else, for selling or any other reason, you would still have to physically move them to that location. Regarding where PLEXes bought from CCP would appear I would make players choose a main Vault the first time they buy PLEX where it will spawn in from then on, you should be able to change this location though to match the current system of redeeming. Moving this location should not move the PLEXes being kept there though only where new ones would appear when buying from CCP. (you could also make it toggleable option so you can choose where they appear for every time you buy them) Since new players not understanding that they can loose PLEXes when they go out flying with them, put up some big red letters telling them the risks when choosing your primary vault and when you try to take them out of the Vault. (of course you should be able to choose if the warning should appear every time)
Ronnie Rose Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2017.03.18 03:49:08 - [422] - Quote Richard TheLordOfDance wrote: I like all the changes, and understand from a gamedesign point of view why this is happening, except how the PLEX vault would work. So I would like to make some suggestions on how to improve it and fix the main problem. The only real problem with the Vault is that it makes PLEXes a virtual item accessible from anywhere, which goes against the whole philosophy of EVE. To change this I would make the Vault a physical place and PLEXes a physical item. You would still be able to exchange them for game time or use them to shop in the New Eden Store from anywhere in the universe but you would only be able to sell them where they are being stored. If you would like them somewhere else, for selling or any other reason, you would still have to physically move them to that location. Regarding where PLEXes bought from CCP would appear I would make players choose a main Vault the first time they buy PLEX where it will spawn in from then on, you should be able to change this location though to match the current system of redeeming. Moving this location should not move the PLEXes being kept there though only where new ones would appear when buying from CCP. (you could also make it toggleable option so you can choose where they appear for every time you buy them) Since new players not understanding that they can loose PLEXes when they go out flying with them, put up some big red letters telling them the risks when choosing your primary vault and when you try to take them out of the Vault. (of course you should be able to choose if the warning should appear every time) Those are terrible ideas for PLEX We're not here to change the game, we're here to change YOUR game
Olleybear Armed And Angry 232	Posted - 2017.03.18 04:03:33 - [423] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Hello mr. CSM market manipulating NDA profiteering alt. **** you. GTFO. P.S. Don't listen to him, market has been manipulated by CSM, for each billion you spend on market PLEX, 200 million go to CSM mortgage RMT fund. Greetings! It would seem we(1) have triggered a friendly pod pilot into protestations of profanity about our claim that other pod pilots are smart enough to see the writing on the wall as it were and that it is the community who have taken it upon themselves to buy PLEX to stave off asset forfeiture via the new aurum to plex model. Perhaps you could enlighten us(2) with a preponderance of evidence that the CSM is profiteering on this latest change to our wondrous Eveonline community? We are sure there is ample appetite for such revelations from this community of pod pilots and that if such evidence was brought forth, Jita protests would surely ensue for a prolonged period of time. We await your cordial response with bated breathe and much joviality. Fine Print: (1)We denotes the royal we. My alternate personality is a queen. When I take my meds she quiets down. Personally, I dont like that. As the old saying goes, two heads are better than one. (2)Denotes that the multiple personality disorder continues in this post as the effeminate side of me giggles like an eleven year old school girl while typing out this missive. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Teddy J Rogers Society of Mechanics Engineers and Gearheads 2	Posted - 2017.03.18 04:32:04 - [424] - Quote #1. Place the plex vault in the wallet. #2. Set the granularity of 1 plex to the minimum amount of redeemable time. (currently 30 days) #3. If a smaller unit is needed to replace aurum, call it milliplex or centiplex based on the conversion factor. Allow the vault (within the wallet) freely convert milliplex to plex and vice versa. Or allow the purchase and usage of fractional amounts of plex. (1 : 500 = mediocentiplex) ((I'd consider NOT using 1:500)) #4. To preserve value, convert current holdings of aurum immediately into game time. The conversion is close to 120 aurum per game day. This is at most 8 game days added to the current subscription. This is hardly onerous on CCP's part.
Cearain Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing 1509	Posted - 2017.03.18 04:50:29 - [425] - Quote Olleybear wrote: Perhaps you could enlighten us(2) with a preponderance of evidence that the CSM is profiteering on this latest change to our wondrous Eveonline community? Aryth: "What happens when you put the long term planner on the CSM and seeing the long term plans. Good things for us that's what." Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3406	Posted - 2017.03.18 04:55:49 - [426] - Quote Richard TheLordOfDance wrote: I like all the changes, and understand from a gamedesign point of view why this is happening, except how the PLEX vault would work. So I would like to make some suggestions on how to improve it and fix the main problem. The only real problem with the Vault is that it makes PLEXes a virtual item accessible from anywhere, which goes against the whole philosophy of EVE. To change this I would make the Vault a physical place and PLEXes a physical item. You would still be able to exchange them for game time or use them to shop in the New Eden Store from anywhere in the universe but you would only be able to sell them where they are being stored. If you would like them somewhere else, for selling or any other reason, you would still have to physically move them to that location. Regarding where PLEXes bought from CCP would appear I would make players choose a main Vault the first time they buy PLEX where it will spawn in from then on, you should be able to change this location though to match the current system of redeeming. Moving this location should not move the PLEXes being kept there though only where new ones would appear when buying from CCP. (you could also make it toggleable option so you can choose where they appear for every time you buy them) Since new players not understanding that they can loose PLEXes when they go out flying with them, put up some big red letters telling them the risks when choosing your primary vault and when you try to take them out of the Vault. (of course you should be able to choose if the warning should appear every time) This is the right answer. Signatures should be used responsibly...
Sharcy Shibari Mure 1	Posted - 2017.03.18 08:19:21 - [427] - Quote Jagged Palleon wrote: The problem is that CCP seems to be playing the short term route atm to rake in money. You do know how long this game has been running, don't you?
Sharcy Shibari Mure 1	Posted - 2017.03.18 08:23:32 - [428] - Quote Vulvona Ride-in wrote: My bet: montly plexing fees will explode ISK-wise! Maybe, but ATM only the wealthiest players can afford to trade in PLEX. With smaller units, more ppl can do so, so you'll have more volume with more competition. This should drive the price down rather than up.
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC 76	Posted - 2017.03.18 09:56:47 - [429] - Quote Richard TheLordOfDance wrote: I like all the changes, and understand from a gamedesign point of view why this is happening, except how the PLEX vault would work. So I would like to make some suggestions on how to improve it and fix the main problem. The only real problem with the Vault is that it makes PLEXes a virtual item accessible from anywhere, which goes against the whole philosophy of EVE. To change this I would make the Vault a physical place and PLEXes a physical item. You would still be able to exchange them for game time or use them to shop in the New Eden Store from anywhere in the universe but you would only be able to sell them where they are being stored. If you would like them somewhere else, for selling or any other reason, you would still have to physically move them to that location. Regarding where PLEXes bought from CCP would appear I would make players choose a main Vault the first time they buy PLEX where it will spawn in from then on, you should be able to change this location though to match the current system of redeeming. Moving this location should not move the PLEXes being kept there though only where new ones would appear when buying from CCP. (you could also make it toggleable option so you can choose where they appear for every time you buy them) Since new players not understanding that they can loose PLEXes when they go out flying with them, put up some big red letters telling them the risks when choosing your primary vault and when you try to take them out of the Vault. (of course you should be able to choose if the warning should appear every time) Do we just found a RTM? Cause only a RTM would complain that he can't make deals anymore cause of this changes ; )
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 149	Posted - 2017.03.18 10:17:59 - [430] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: Do we just found a RTM? Cause only a RTM would complain that he can't make deals anymore cause of this changes ; ) Remembering all those salty "looking for a new sponsor for my ****** pvp videos, add me on X for details" after casinoids got rekt... Yeah, totally not RMT.

Laura Andelare Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2017.03.18 11:15:50 - [431] - Quote The idea is great. The new PLEX teleport is a game design issue that is entirely up to CCP so I don't mind either way. What I don't like is the super overcomplicated way of doing this. While I was not playing, the single most iconic item in EVE for me as an outsider was the PLEX. With this change it ceases to be a Pilot License Extension, and it essentially becomes AUR just with a different denomination. I think the equivalent of this entire change could be done a lot simpler by selling game time in the NES for AUR and making AUR tradeable, instead of the current plans.
voetius Quiet Days in Clichy 484	Posted - 2017.03.18 11:31:31 - [432] - Quote Gogela wrote: Ptraci wrote: So these old accounts I have with 5500 AUR each I was given as part of the promos held post "summer of rage".... That's a good question. My accounts haven't ever lapsed, and you have a lot more than me in your idle alts. You must have gotten extra for something somewhere along the line... 5500 was the amount that you got if you started before the Summer of Rage and stayed subbed over that period. I had 5500 on both my accounts until very recently as there wasn't really anything in the NES that I wanted to buy.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 29433	Posted - 2017.03.18 11:53:41 - [433] - Quote Laura Andelare wrote: The idea is great. The new PLEX teleport is a game design issue that is entirely up to CCP so I don't mind either way. What I don't like is the super overcomplicated way of doing this. While I was not playing, the single most iconic item in EVE for me as an outsider was the PLEX. With this change it ceases to be a Pilot License Extension, and it essentially becomes AUR just with a different denomination. I think the equivalent of this entire change could be done a lot simpler by selling game time in the NES for AUR and making AUR tradeable, instead of the current plans. They wanted to keep PLEX because of its image in the playerbase. Its truly an AUR with an option to exchange to a game time with this change. They may call it PLEX and preload your account with some PLEX charges even, when you start playing in future. But as AUR has always something wrong about it, its literally gold as in every other MMORPG fantasy game, they want to get rid of this name to keep the guise of originality. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Tystoo Space Cake Inc. 0	Posted - 2017.03.18 11:53:50 - [434] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Kyttn wrote: "Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000? A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX." Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here 7 aurum will become 1 plex. so 1050 aurum is 150 plex. They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000 You mean they are stealing form the people that have less than a 1000 aurum.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 29435	Posted - 2017.03.18 12:06:46 - [435] - Quote In all this, I like one thing. Every new player will essentialy start with a CONCORD License extension card. He would only need to buy some PLEX charges and spend them to extend license to the available options. It will be like a second job to make ISK to spend it on license extensions. Well it had been for some for years. Alternatively you can be on welfare (alpha). Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1320	Posted - 2017.03.18 12:34:55 - [436] - Quote Sharcy wrote: Vulvona Ride-in wrote: My bet: montly plexing fees will explode ISK-wise! Maybe, but ATM only the wealthiest players can afford to trade in PLEX. With smaller units, more ppl can do so, so you'll have more volume with more competition. This should drive the price down rather than up. No it won't. Those trading in smaller amounts still want to make a profit - Look at the prices of different size Aur lots on the market. My guess, the price of variable amounts of Plex will follow the same trend. 1 = 500 plex = 1.1 bil .5 = 250 plex = 600 mil .25 = 125 plex =325 mil Smaller lots will cost more than a months subscription of 500 plex. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
WhiteOrm Outer Space Random Corp 0	Posted - 2017.03.18 13:29:24 - [437] - Quote With these new changes you should also change its icon. Make it look like a batch of white powder or smth. At least it will help some players to understand why 1 PLEX is NOT ENOUGH

CCP Falcon 13645	Posted - 2017.03.18 14:01:17 - [438] - Quote Hey guys, Just a quick update! Thanks for all the feedback so far - it's clear that there's been some pretty active and somewhat vigorous discussion of the proposed changes. Team Size Matters and the community team are running through this thread, looking over the feedback (both positive and negative) as well as the suggestions that all you guys are putting forward. We'll be taking a look at it, discussing it internally early after the weekend, and will be looking at how best to incorporate relevant feedback into the changes that are coming. Thanks again for all the feed back, and remember - Let's keep it civil here and within the realms of the forum rules CCP Falcon \|\| EVE Universe Community Manager \|\| @CCP_Falcon Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

Lorelei Ierendi Lorelei for C S M 300	Posted - 2017.03.18 14:23:32 - [439] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Hey guys, Gevlon says "Hi"... it's like he can't forget you, man! CCP Falcon wrote: Thanks again for all the feed back, and remember - Let's keep it civil here and within the realms of the forum rules All the Tinfoil CSM theories and leak theories make me smile... as if the CSM was that relevant... (says a Candidate). http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/
Olleybear Armed And Angry 232	Posted - 2017.03.18 16:06:38 - [440] - Quote Cearain wrote: Olleybear wrote: Perhaps you could enlighten us(2) with a preponderance of evidence that the CSM is profiteering on this latest change to our wondrous Eveonline community? Aryth: "What happens when you put the long term planner on the CSM and seeing the long term plans. Good things for us that's what." BTW for those who don't know Aryth is a member of csm. Salutations! It would seem you are implying that a CSM member by the name of Aryth is currently manipulating the market for PLEX based on two sentences that member apparently uttered. This hardly constitutes proof of a conspiracy over the price of PLEX via market manipulation. Indeed, the above sentence you quoted could mean just about anything. We(1) do have a few questions as we dont follow the price fluctuations of PLEX on a regular basis: Did the price fluctuations of plex happen a week or even a day before the official CCP annoucement? Did the price fluctuations happen shortly after the official CCP announcement? If price fluctuations happened before the announcement, has PLEX ever fluctuated in price before today? Is there any hard evidence of conspiracy to manipulate the price of PLEX, based on insider knowledge, other than your quote of two sentences? We all know that CCP has long term plans. Plans that dont always bare fruit. There are more than a few long term plans that have been completely dropped by CCP as resource allocation is switched around to work on other projects. One such prime example of a long term plan getting dropped is walking in stations. As of right now, there appears to only be a market adjusting to what some movers and shakers in game think will happen to the future price of PLEX. If based on our feedback in this thread, CCP decides to change all aurum into PLEX, and not just aurum above 1000 units, it can be inferred from their own statements that PLEX will drop considerably in price thus leaving those who bought PLEX at a higher price in a bit of a pickle so to speak. Fine print: (1)Denotes the more masculine of the Royal We as today we are exercising our kingly personality to objectively consider the evidence brought forth. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.

Capqu ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1302	Posted - 2017.03.18 16:10:56 - [441] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Hey guys, Just a quick update! Thanks for all the feedback so far - it's clear that there's been some pretty active and somewhat vigorous discussion of the proposed changes. Team Size Matters and the community team are running through this thread, looking over the feedback (both positive and negative) as well as the suggestions that all you guys are putting forward. We'll be taking a look at it, discussing it internally early after the weekend, and will be looking at how best to incorporate relevant feedback into the changes that are coming. Thanks again for all the feed back, and remember - Let's keep it civil here and within the realms of the forum rules :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
Nicolai Serkanner Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 631	Posted - 2017.03.18 17:00:32 - [442] - Quote Just my two cents: I like the combination of Aur en Plex. Never saw any use for separate currencies I do not like the vault idea. EvE is a tough game. Losing PLEX is part of that and should stay at is is. There are better ways to warn new players to not fill up the cargohold with PLEX Not converting the less than 1000 AUR is a very bad idea. CCP will make lots of people very angry because they will not see it any other way from it being blatantly stealing from the players. I suggest the
Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels Solitaire. 200	Posted - 2017.03.18 17:56:23 - [443] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: It will start from above 2M and will fast be nearing 3 M when all Alphas will grab a few. I would grab a few and I am Omega. And its actually a great thing to not give CCP money as it looks now. I have not bought a piece of Aurum ever. This change would never had a chance to affect me in any meaningfull way. Not risking any unused aurum to be liquidated, and not a few coins thrown out at CCP they keep without giving anything in return. Its like they would steal yo money, but not really, just pocket change. What do you do about that? I keep the change, thanks. For you all, its a lesson for future. Maybe dont give CCP money? CCP will teach you a lesson. To not give them money. No you wont. Theyre gonna cost 1b ea still for a long time until everyone finds out its the newest scam. The mini plex themselves will end up around 10m-20m likely meaning it will cost 5b-10b a month to play. The little guy can't plex anymore.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 149	Posted - 2017.03.18 18:25:42 - [444] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Hey guys, Just a quick update! Thanks for all the feedback so far - it's clear that there's been some pretty active and somewhat vigorous discussion of the proposed changes. Team Size Matters and the community team are running through this thread, looking over the feedback (both positive and negative) as well as the suggestions that all you guys are putting forward. We'll be taking a look at it, discussing it internally early after the weekend, and will be looking at how best to incorporate relevant feedback into the changes that are coming. Thanks again for all the feed back, and remember - Let's keep it civil here and within the realms of the forum rules Of all people this is commented by no other than CCP FullCon. Now that is not reassuring at all.
Hirisho Presolana The Lone Wolfs 12	Posted - 2017.03.18 18:52:02 - [445] - Quote since the most commented thing is the <1000 aur strip.. why don't you use this: >1000 = Microplex conversion <1000 = isk conversion
Suicide Smith Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2017.03.18 19:16:17 - [446] - Quote Stuff like this really pisses me off. All it does is screw people who didn't use all their Aurum, which is hard to do because CCP have made the NEX Store and Aurum Bundles in ways to try and keep people from ever being able to use it all. And of course we can't transfer our Arum between accounts so we can give one account ALL of the Aurub we have, no we'll just delete it all. And what about Aurum Tokens? They are available in sub 1000 amounts, those are just gonna be dumped too?
Guma Kumamato KANARCI 0	Posted - 2017.03.18 19:33:42 - [447] - Quote Hirisho Presolana wrote: why don't you use this: >1000 = Microplex conversion <1000 = isk conversion Clever suggestion, I would take that even further and exchanged all AUR to NuPLEX amount equivalent lowered by portion of average gift ratio AUR in circulation and remainder gave in ISK for all players.
marly cortez Mercurialis Inc. The Bastion 180	Posted - 2017.03.18 19:53:39 - [448] - Quote beakerax wrote: 1000 seems easier to understand than 500GÇª Dunno, I never in my life mistook the number '1' for anything other than '1'. As to this Plex issue, having never had the need for plex since multi boxing got kicked into touch, the whole thing seems to put it politely, a non-issue. However, the darker picture here is this advertisement, seems the selling reptiles have slithered in by the back door to me battering your face with products no one would ever consider buying in the first place always missing the real point here, that if it really was any good people would already know all about it and would not require this intrusive prompting.
Arthure Pentedragoon University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.18 20:29:51 - [449] - Quote Glad to hear the changes not include the "time decaying" PLEX. Rumors had CCP considering PLEX change where after 30 days or so PLEX would go from today's full value PLEX into a lump tagged as worth 999/1000 (or 499/500 I guess) of these new milli-PLEX and then decay further at accelerated rates. That would ensure that PLEX were used ASAP and did not remain on market just as hard currency. But it would really suck for people who went offline with unused PLEX or alliances big enough that they could lose track of where all their PLEX were stashed and how old those PLEX were. I guess if CCP ever did that a purchase or use by time-date stamp on the PLEX would help if you looked at an individual PLEX. But I want to get so rich in game that examining each PLEX I owned became tedious and consumed hours of game time.
Arthure Pentedragoon University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.18 21:01:01 - [450] - Quote marly cortez wrote: beakerax wrote: 1000 seems easier to understand than 500GÇª Dunno, I never in my life mistook the number '1' for anything other than '1'. As to this Plex issue, having never had the need for plex since multi boxing got kicked into touch, the whole thing seems to put it politely, a non-issue. However, the darker picture here is this advertisement, seems the selling reptiles have slithered in by the back door to me battering your face with products no one would ever consider buying in the first place always missing the real point here, that if it really was any good people would already know all about it and would not require this intrusive prompting. He just wants discussion friendly currency. Instead of talking purchasing 500 PLEX for same rate as 1 PLEX today -- he wants to keep purchasing a PLEX and talk breaking it into 1000 milli-PLEX. Or following EU suggested currency deci-PLEX (1/10th PLEX), centi-PLEX (1/100th) and milli-PLEX. I favor the plan that keeps EVE doors open to play. CCP has to pay bills to do that. TBH the CCP plan makes a LOT more sense at least from a marketing standpoint. I can almost guarantee that CCP will NOT continue selling NewPLEX in 500 lot units such that users can compare to old PLEX prices without thinking. CCP may need to ease players into new game time costs to pay CCPs own bills. Old PLEX is 720 hours of game play for 14.95 without any discounts or specials.The RL CCP base price (not volume discounted) price of PLEX would equate to 0.03 USD per NewPLEX. But I expect CCP to sell in all sorts of lot sizes (100, 250, 333, 750, 1000, 5000, etc) both for user flexibility and to simply erase the old cost of game time from user minds. The simplest round off of NewPLEX to game time is 1 hour game time. It could also go to 2 hours if CCP wants to gamble that skins and other EVE Store stuff will skyrocket. I suspect that game is too big. TBH that sort of gambling favors the more straightforward milli-PLEX. So I suspect OMEGA game time costs will be raised behind a NewPLEX change smoke screen. But the results will still favor most players if you can buy time a few NewPLEX at a time. Turn on alts full skill for few hours at a time.etc Decide to pay for time to train up skills versus buying injectors etc.

Arthure Pentedragoon University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.18 21:17:16 - [451] - Quote I guess the big question is will CCP allow purchasing OMEGA time in 1 NewPLEX increments. ? If so a lot of specialized alts can be left ALPHA except for the exact time that you need them at full OMEGA skill. Yet somebody will still need OMEGA to add skill points into EVE either by direct toon traiing time or as injectors. Sort of win-win for CCP and players. The ultimate flexibility. Players can more quickly fly Titan or whatever via injectors without dedicating their RL...but also save some money afterwards by goign OMEGA only on weekends. (LOL - Sounds odd to spend hundreds RL to jump into capital ship immediately then squeeze pennies as weekend warrior. But people on budgets do stuff like that with hobbies all the time when they expect years of involvement.) And skins and other stuff may well sell better when its only exchanging a few hours of game play -- rather than committing to exchanging a whole OldPLEX (30 days of gameplayer) which can then really be spent only on more (often far less wanted) store stuff.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp 287	Posted - 2017.03.18 21:19:00 - [452] - Quote Hirisho Presolana wrote: since the most commented thing is the <1000 aur strip.. why don't you use this: >1000 = Microplex conversion <1000 = isk conversion Why not just convert PLEX to AUR ?GÇª That would make more sense, than converting AUR to "microplex" (brrrGÇª who ever thought of that), Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6564	Posted - 2017.03.18 21:23:58 - [453] - Quote Arthure Pentedragoon wrote: I guess the big question is will CCP allow purchasing OMEGA time in 1 NewPLEX increments. ? If so a lot of specialized alts can be left ALPHA except for the exact time that you need them at full OMEGA skill. Yet somebody will still need OMEGA to add skill points into EVE either by direct toon traiing time or as injectors. Sort of win-win for CCP and players. The ultimate flexibility. Players can more quickly fly Titan or whatever via injectors without dedicating their RL...but also save some money afterwards by goign OMEGA only on weekends. (LOL - Sounds odd to spend hundreds RL to jump into capital ship immediately then squeeze pennies as weekend warrior. But people on budgets do stuff like that with hobbies all the time when they expect years of involvement.) And skins and other stuff may well sell better when its only exchanging a few hours of game play -- rather than committing to exchanging a whole OldPLEX (30 days of gameplayer) which can then really be spent only on more (often far less wanted) store stuff. No. 30 days chunks only. Quote: Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1320	Posted - 2017.03.18 22:10:22 - [454] - Quote Arthure Pentedragoon wrote: marly cortez wrote: beakerax wrote: 1000 seems easier to understand than 500GÇª Dunno, I never in my life mistook the number '1' for anything other than '1'. As to this Plex issue, having never had the need for plex since multi boxing got kicked into touch, the whole thing seems to put it politely, a non-issue. However, the darker picture here is this advertisement, seems the selling reptiles have slithered in by the back door to me battering your face with products no one would ever consider buying in the first place always missing the real point here, that if it really was any good people would already know all about it and would not require this intrusive prompting. Old PLEX is 720 hours of game play for 14.95 without any discounts or specials.The RL CCP base price (not volume discounted) price of PLEX would equate to 0.03 USD per NewPLEX. But I expect CCP to sell in all sorts of lot sizes (100, 250, 333, 750, 1000, 5000, etc) both for user flexibility and to simply erase the old cost of game time from user minds. Where do you buy a Plex for $14.95? 1 months game time via "Add game time" is $14.95 1 Plex is $19.95 via the Plex store. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Urziel99 Unified Research and Industrial 190	Posted - 2017.03.18 22:11:44 - [455] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Arthure Pentedragoon wrote: I guess the big question is will CCP allow purchasing OMEGA time in 1 NewPLEX increments. ? If so a lot of specialized alts can be left ALPHA except for the exact time that you need them at full OMEGA skill. Yet somebody will still need OMEGA to add skill points into EVE either by direct toon traiing time or as injectors. Sort of win-win for CCP and players. The ultimate flexibility. Players can more quickly fly Titan or whatever via injectors without dedicating their RL...but also save some money afterwards by goign OMEGA only on weekends. (LOL - Sounds odd to spend hundreds RL to jump into capital ship immediately then squeeze pennies as weekend warrior. But people on budgets do stuff like that with hobbies all the time when they expect years of involvement.) And skins and other stuff may well sell better when its only exchanging a few hours of game play -- rather than committing to exchanging a whole OldPLEX (30 days of gameplayer) which can then really be spent only on more (often far less wanted) store stuff. No. 30 days chunks only. Quote: Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages. That's a shame really, if they are going to make the currency granular they should make the resulting sub more granular. Many free to play games use the model World of Tanks/Warships,and Armored Warfare [rip] to name a few.
Aetran Molou 8 Sins of Man Nyx Legion 10	Posted - 2017.03.18 22:19:54 - [456] - Quote My biggest issue? Do not put it in our inventory window. We don't need to be consistently reminded to upgrade and have our UI cluttered with PLEX related items, especially for an Omega account.
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1320	Posted - 2017.03.18 22:28:30 - [457] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Lyrrashae wrote: It had to happen sooner or later. Oh well, it was a fun nine years. because all my alts were cancelled the moment I tested new probe window on TQ. That is good news, you found a way to fix your issue with new bubble mechanics - Stop playing. *If only I could believe it were true.. :) My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Johan Civire Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1155	Posted - 2017.03.18 23:05:30 - [458] - Quote I wish the remove this nonsense in the first place, wish eve was not a causal farming money cellphone game. Atleast that`s what is happening to eve lately and still going that way. The only mmorpg without super stuff. But again even ccp failed in this. That`s why my subscribe is stop. And for now it looks like it will be stop for good.
Ronnie Rose Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2017.03.18 23:12:41 - [459] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Hey guys, Just a quick update! Thanks for all the feedback so far - it's clear that there's been some pretty active and somewhat vigorous discussion of the proposed changes. Team Size Matters and the community team are running through this thread, looking over the feedback (both positive and negative) as well as the suggestions that all you guys are putting forward. We'll be taking a look at it, discussing it internally early after the weekend, and will be looking at how best to incorporate relevant feedback into the changes that are coming. Thanks again for all the feed back, and remember - Let's keep it civil here and within the realms of the forum rules I'll just repost this then so it is not lost to CCP...its just for consideration I get it. CCP's proposal is to break up today's single PLEX to 500 mini-PLEXes. That means the new mini PLEX will be 500th of the value of what PLEX is running for. So the math is simple 1,000,000,000 (estimated market value) / 500 = 2,000,000 ISK. So when one has their PLEX converted to mini PLEXes and has 500 of them, then post to the market 2,000,000.01 for each mini PLEX that's equals to 5 ISK should they all sell (2,000,000.01 x 500 = 1,000,000,005 ISK). It stands to reason the smaller PLEX units will sell quicker under the illusion its more affordable. It's like taking a pack of cigarettes and selling each cigarette for a dollar. Cheaper than the whole pack, but in the long run costing more than buying a single pack (20 cigarettes, 1 dollar for each cigarette equals 20 bucks, when a pack runs like 7 bucks). This will create more demand for the mini PLEX driving higher prices, but I believe in the long run it will price out players like the OP who rely on making ingame ISK to pay for PLEX on the market. Sure that player will be able to "afford" the smaller PLEX denomination, but in the long run it will cost them more. Consequently, the price of commodities and items will also increase. I bet the new mini PLEX will settle to about 2,200,000 ISK We're not here to change the game, we're here to change YOUR game
Olleybear Armed And Angry 232	Posted - 2017.03.19 00:19:22 - [460] - Quote Johan Civire wrote: I wish the remove this nonsense in the first place, wish eve was not a causal farming money cellphone game. Atleast that`s what is happening to eve lately and still going that way. The only mmorpg without super stuff. But again even ccp failed in this. That`s why my subscribe is stop. And for now it looks like it will be stop for good. Greetings capsuleer! You make a bold claim that Eve Online is "a casual farming money cellphone game" Further, you make a second claim that "At lest that's what is happening to eve lately and still going that way" We(1) are very interested in this money farm via cellphone in Eve Online. The words farming/money/casually, has peaked Our(1) curiosity and we are very interested to learn of said changes to Eve Online that have happened, and are still happening, that have turned Eve Online into a cellphone money farming game. We understand there are money farming cellphone games which are free to play that will soak you for hundreds, if not thousands, of real life currency in order to compete in said game and would like to know more so we can scrutinize your claim that it is the same with Eve Online. Are you able to explain to us how Eve Online soaks a POD Pilot, via a cellphone, with paid for in game content, in the currency of their choice? The last we checked, for a small $14.95 monthly fee, less if you pay for multiple months in advance, you get access to the full game, minus some cosmetic effects to ship and character. Of course, maybe you were referring to skill injectors that can only be bought currently with Aurum and how a new player with more real life currency than brains, in the current instant gratification culture, can simply buy their way through skill point advancement by injecting skill points another POD pilot has already taken the time to train by buying those skill points via PLEX conversion to isk. Have no fear brave muppet(2). Those fresh into the game, who buy their skillpoint advancement with RL currency instead of time, have no idea what ship inertia is let alone how to use it to their advantage in a combat setting. Furthermore, there are plenty of POD Pilots who enjoy popping, dunking, and blowing up these nerds in a spaceship game over the internet. Rest assured those who buy their skill point advancement with RL currency, in lieu of both piloting skill and understanding of game mechanics, are losing their assets quite frequently. Indeed, someone who buys their way into a battleship via PLEX and skill injectors, yet has zero understanding of transversal, is already dead. They just dont know it yet. This, my friend, is a good thing. Fine Print: (1)Our refers to the combined personalities of our effeminate, Queenly side and the more masculine, Kingly side coming together in an epiphany of raucous joviality. (2)Muppet - Most Useless Pod Pilot Ever Trained When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.

Arthure Pentedragoon University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.19 00:48:20 - [461] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Arthure Pentedragoon wrote: I guess the big question is will CCP allow purchasing OMEGA time in 1 NewPLEX increments. ? If so a lot of specialized alts can be left ALPHA except for the exact time that you need them at full OMEGA skill. Yet somebody will still need OMEGA to add skill points into EVE either by direct toon traiing time or as injectors. No. 30 days chunks only. Quote: Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages. Too bad. Should be trivial to code. Instead of incrementing expiration at 30 days from now - increment by 1 or 2 hours for each NewPLEX spent for game time. Pretty sure that transition to or from OMEGA status in mid-session already works smoothy, as does safe storage of newly added PLEX against server crash. At least I hope it does. Although the net income change would be hard to predict. I would think training alone would keep most advanced players subscribing or PLEXing for continuous time regardless of PLEX or time increments. It is however almost certain that many more ALPHA players would at least buy a few NewPLEX with ISK just to try out equipment within easy reach. Lots of ALPHA players can afford to buy say 5 NewPLEX with ISK
Maenth The Thirteen Provinces 30	Posted - 2017.03.19 00:49:39 - [462] - Quote While I don't follow PLEX prices closely, I'm sure many people do, and also appreciate being able to see and use the long-term graph. Additionally, PLEX has a solid history in its current state, as a large whole unit of game time/whatever. Most of all, it's a really nice and easy mental conversion to see and say that 1 PLEX = 1 month of Omega time. Is there any way to preserve this? Could PLEX be converted into a tradeable currency with fractional units? Drones. Drones are a means to an end. An end to the ruthless Caldari 'progress' machines. An end to the barbaric 'redemption' proposed by the Amarr. What they see as chaos shall be my perfect order, merely beyond their comprehension.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6564	Posted - 2017.03.19 01:12:11 - [463] - Quote Arthure Pentedragoon wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Arthure Pentedragoon wrote: I guess the big question is will CCP allow purchasing OMEGA time in 1 NewPLEX increments. ? If so a lot of specialized alts can be left ALPHA except for the exact time that you need them at full OMEGA skill. Yet somebody will still need OMEGA to add skill points into EVE either by direct toon traiing time or as injectors. No. 30 days chunks only. Quote: Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages. Too bad. Should be trivial to code. Instead of incrementing expiration at 30 days from now - increment by 1 or 2 hours for each NewPLEX spent for game time. Pretty sure that transition to or from OMEGA status in mid-session already works smoothy, as does safe storage of newly added PLEX against server crash. At least I hope it does. Although the net income change would be hard to predict. I would think training alone would keep most advanced players subscribing or PLEXing for continuous time regardless of PLEX or time increments. It is however almost certain that many more ALPHA players would at least buy a few NewPLEX with ISK just to try out equipment within easy reach. Lots of ALPHA players can afford to buy say 5 NewPLEX with ISK You don't see a reason why CCP might not want to let people pay for only an hour or two? Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Arthure Pentedragoon University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.19 01:28:55 - [464] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Arthure Pentedragoon wrote: marly cortez wrote: beakerax wrote: 1000 seems easier to understand than 500GÇª Dunno, I never in my life mistook the number '1' for anything other than '1'. As to this Plex issue, having never had the need for plex since multi boxing got kicked into touch, the whole thing seems to put it politely, a non-issue. However, the darker picture here is this advertisement, seems the selling reptiles have slithered in by the back door to me battering your face with products no one would ever consider buying in the first place always missing the real point here, that if it really was any good people would already know all about it and would not require this intrusive prompting. Old PLEX is 720 hours of game play for 14.95 without any discounts or specials.The RL CCP base price (not volume discounted) price of PLEX would equate to 0.03 USD per NewPLEX. But I expect CCP to sell in all sorts of lot sizes (100, 250, 333, 750, 1000, 5000, etc) both for user flexibility and to simply erase the old cost of game time from user minds. Where do you buy a Plex for $14.95? 1 months game time via "Add game time" is $14.95 1 Plex is $19.95 via the Plex store. I had a brain gas explosion. OK 0.04 USD per NewPLEX -- if price for 30 days via PLEXing does not change. Most common(?) volume discount of 6 OldPLEX lot from CCP is still $17.50 USD Used to be some big resellers that occasionally gave additional store discounts somehow. IDK if that still happens. Probably have to spend a lot RL money at that store if it does. Yup PLEX is more expensive than subscription if paying directly with RL money. Sort of my point. Game Time is simply the bullion backing the lowest end value of a PLEX. But game time/multiple toon training time are also still the main reasons PLEX disappear from market. Do not see a reason for CCP to change game subscription RL cost as soon or as much - if ever. Subscription price is not on market for speculation due to alternate uses or in-game ISK means of purchase. Flipping subscriptions to periodic delivery of a PLEX instead of just game time would likely blow up EVE without equalizing RL costs. Not impossible for CCP to do. But I will never expect it because too many people will eject if the constant $14.95/month changes much. All leading back to why CCP might play with RL cost of PLEX raising it a small reasonable amount. Assumption: Most people PLEXing for EVE game time are very successful in game, not paying RL money to play and thus unlikely to quit if RL PLEX costs rise a bit. Hopefully CCP calculates just right not to stress game play or players but enough to cover their bills with smaller paying player base. Oh and to get CCP stores to be worth all the artwork etc invested.
Karmen Baric State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.03.19 01:44:59 - [465] - Quote Changes seem fine. Like idea of only one currency, much easier to understand for new players. Plex vault im fine with, good way for people to keep plex safe, especially new players again. As for the only converting amounts above 1000AUR, fine with that also, and i assume CCP already thinks of this. Thry will not be taking peoplesAUR away im sure. CCP Will do this i think ....Anyone with below 1000AUR can add more (mini)Plex to it so that they can buy items from the NES, thus they never lose their 500 or whatever AUR, they just dont get it converted. EG: You have 500AUR leftover but want to buy a 5 skill extractor pack (currently 4500AUR), you add 560 more (mini)Plex. AUR is never taken away but for amounts less than 1000 it is historically saved.
Martin Corwin Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 46	Posted - 2017.03.19 03:44:32 - [466] - Quote 1000 AUR is worth 5 Gé¼. If you void all the AUR balances < 1k AUR and STEAL all that money from your player base, I'm biomassing all my characters never to return. I'm not going to support a company that's stealing money from their customers.
Greg Valanti The Scope Gallente Federation 122	Posted - 2017.03.19 04:41:47 - [467] - Quote What will be happening to AUR tokens? Do I need to redeem them before the changes or will they be automatically converted to the equivalent worth of the new PLEX?
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1320	Posted - 2017.03.19 05:10:45 - [468] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Arthure Pentedragoon wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Arthure Pentedragoon wrote: I guess the big question is will CCP allow purchasing OMEGA time in 1 NewPLEX increments. ? If so a lot of specialized alts can be left ALPHA except for the exact time that you need them at full OMEGA skill. Yet somebody will still need OMEGA to add skill points into EVE either by direct toon traiing time or as injectors. No. 30 days chunks only. Quote: Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages. Too bad. Should be trivial to code. Instead of incrementing expiration at 30 days from now - increment by 1 or 2 hours for each NewPLEX spent for game time. Pretty sure that transition to or from OMEGA status in mid-session already works smoothy, as does safe storage of newly added PLEX against server crash. At least I hope it does. Although the net income change would be hard to predict. I would think training alone would keep most advanced players subscribing or PLEXing for continuous time regardless of PLEX or time increments. It is however almost certain that many more ALPHA players would at least buy a few NewPLEX with ISK just to try out equipment within easy reach. Lots of ALPHA players can afford to buy say 5 NewPLEX with ISK You don't see a reason why CCP might not want to let people pay for only an hour or two? I can see a few reasons why, not an hour or two but a day or two could be beneficial. Weekend Warriors - Those who have trained up characters to a point they are happy but due to RL can't play through the week and don't want to, can't afford to, sub an account they can only use a few days a month. I personally know of 3 or 4 players with many more accounts in this situation that currently don't play eve at all. Being able to sub an account for a week - Could be just the thing to get on the fence Alpha's to sub. Once an Alpha has reached the skill point cap there isn't much else to do other than start a new character in a different faction. If they could sub their account for a week to train up a few more skills it may encourage them to stay subbed once they realize the benefits of T2. Steve Ronuken, There are a few more use cases I can think of but I'm sure you get the idea.. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Kaivarian Coste Placid Peace Corps 138	Posted - 2017.03.19 09:02:47 - [469] - Quote If CCP is interested in boosting population numbers, then it should give capsuleers an option to subscribe for less than 30 days. If granular PLEX is good, then so should be granular subscriptions, with 24 hours being a good minimum. This should appeal to casuals and weekend warriors who only play the game a few times per month, but don't wish for the limitations of alphas. Perhaps make a 24 hour subscription more "expensive" than a 30 day sub, eg: 500 plex = 30 days 50 plex = 1 day
Xiu Kahn Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2017.03.19 10:42:51 - [470] - Quote Nice that you want to break plex into smaller units. That should create more market activity. However I would prefer 1 large unit as a pilot extension or MCT option not 500. So a multipack option sold as a unit should be available for $19.95. As for Aurum I thought the concept was dumb to begin with to have multiple currencies. You might also want to find a new name for your currency since it has expanded beyond a simple Pilot License now. I do think it is unwise to simply delete the remaining Arum for under 1000 units which still represents a small cash equivalent without offering something in return. Essentially we have paid for something and you have not returned our change. If we were in a store this would be a roof raising issue even if its only pennies on the dollar. In other cases it is called fraud and the government gets involved. The real one not the CSM. True the Eula says you can do what you want but you may want to consider turning those little Arum dollars into something useful. Maybe a coupon for a free skin or injector down the road.

Drago Shouna Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 721	Posted - 2017.03.19 10:47:55 - [471] - Quote [/quote] No. 30 days chunks only. Quote: Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages. [/quote] Too bad. Should be trivial to code. Instead of incrementing expiration at 30 days from now - increment by 1 or 2 hours for each NewPLEX spent for game time. Pretty sure that transition to or from OMEGA status in mid-session already works smoothy, as does safe storage of newly added PLEX against server crash. At least I hope it does. Although the net income change would be hard to predict. I would think training alone would keep most advanced players subscribing or PLEXing for continuous time regardless of PLEX or time increments. It is however almost certain that many more ALPHA players would at least buy a few NewPLEX with ISK just to try out equipment within easy reach. Lots of ALPHA players can afford to buy say 5 NewPLEX with ISK [/quote] You don't see a reason why CCP might not want to let people pay for only an hour or two? [/quote]I can see a few reasons why, not an hour or two but a day or two could be beneficial. Weekend Warriors - Those who have trained up characters to a point they are happy but due to RL can't play through the week and don't want to, can't afford to, sub an account they can only use a few days a month. I personally know of 3 or 4 players with many more accounts in this situation that currently don't play eve at all. Being able to sub an account for a week - Could be just the thing to get on the fence Alpha's to sub. Once an Alpha has reached the skill point cap there isn't much else to do other than start a new character in a different faction. If they could sub their account for a week to train up a few more skills it may encourage them to stay subbed once they realize the benefits of T2. Steve Ronuken, There are a few more use cases I can think of but I'm sure you get the idea..[/quote] I fully agree. They need to sort the 500:1 ratio, that just makes no sense. It's much more sensible to make it scale with single days and hours. Being able to sub for a weekend has a good appeal, and it'll help players out who are maybe on hard times. Don't forget though that the isk still has to be earned to buy the micro plex in the first place. As for no subs below 30 days....if they are even contemplating it in the future, they should do it now and not let the rumour mill keep rolling. Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want." Welcome to EVE.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3522	Posted - 2017.03.19 10:58:06 - [472] - Quote Martin Corwin wrote: 1000 AUR is worth 5 Gé¼. If you void all the AUR balances < 1k AUR and STEAL all that money from your player base, I'm biomassing all my characters never to return. I'm not going to support a company that's stealing money from their customers. Lol, 1000 AUR are worth in RL exactly nothing, it's a virtual thing owned by CCP. CCP can do with the Aurum what they want, didn't you read the ToS before signing up for EvE? Nothing within this game belongs to you, but is property of CCP. I'm my own NPC alt.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3522	Posted - 2017.03.19 11:00:24 - [473] - Quote Greg Valanti wrote: What will be happening to AUR tokens? Do I need to redeem them before the changes or will they be automatically converted to the equivalent worth of the new PLEX? Sell them on the market, they still sell for more than any conversion will get you. I'm my own NPC alt.
Lando Cenvax The Nose Picker Clown Group Elemental Tide 17	Posted - 2017.03.19 11:36:36 - [474] - Quote Great idea! Unless you read the very last line... Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently have no plans regarding smaller game time packages. Are you guys serious? How stupid is that? 500 PLEX is also a stupid number to convert, at least once you realize sticking with 30 day only packages renders this change ad absurdum. As mentioned above (Post 17) 720 PLEX would be a good number. The conversion from AUR to PLEX is a one time action, so don't give priority to this. No on cares if this is factor 7 (3500->500) or 4,86111 (3500->720).
Corraidhin Farsaidh Singularity Expedition Services Singularity Syndicate 2119	Posted - 2017.03.19 12:02:57 - [475] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Martin Corwin wrote: 1000 AUR is worth 5 Gé¼. If you void all the AUR balances < 1k AUR and STEAL all that money from your player base, I'm biomassing all my characters never to return. I'm not going to support a company that's stealing money from their customers. Lol, 1000 AUR are worth in RL exactly nothing, it's a virtual thing owned by CCP. CCP can do with the Aurum what they want, didn't you read the ToS before signing up for EvE? Nothing within this game belongs to you, but is property of CCP. That depends, in UK law if you bought something from a company they have to deliver it. This would be a very grey area, especiialy if you considered Aurum to be a service
Krieg Austern 47	Posted - 2017.03.19 13:15:17 - [476] - Quote Lando Cenvax wrote: Great idea! Unless you read the very last line... Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently have no plans regarding smaller game time packages. Are you guys serious? How stupid is that? It's not stupid at all. It's avoiding a rash of '1 day omegas' for cynos, hotdroppers and the like.
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2017.03.19 13:56:49 - [477] - Quote Just to point out, it does say in the dev blog > https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/plex-changes-on-the-way/ Quote: "Anyone looking to liquidate Aurum for ISK has had ample opportunity to do so, especially since the release of skill extractors Converting only Aurum balances that exceed 1000 Aurum will lower the total amount converted and decrease the risk of a rapid inflow of PLEX destabilizing the market. We will run specials in the New Eden Store leading up to the change so that thereGÇÖs good reason to use up excess Aurum" I have 245 AUR, Skill extractor is 1000 AUR, cheapest ship skins are 250 AUR... I feel disinclined to purchase more AUR to bump up a in game currency about to be terminated. One would imagine this is a popular concern. May I request you make available a variety of empire themed codpieces for our remaining AUR, they should cost coincidently 245 AUR. I would like a Gallente Themed utility codpiece please.
Ronnie Rose Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2017.03.19 18:57:46 - [478] - Quote Alright, after more musing on the PLEX changes here is what I think are motives on why these ideas are being proposed. 1. PLEX Vault - A safer way to transact a high value commodity for new players so they will not suffer the in game criminality of gate camp gankers. 2. PLEX broken up into smaller denominations - Will promote revenue stream for CCP by increased sales of PLEX sold outside of the game (e.g. direct sales of PLEX from CCP to players) Now, if CCP fixed one thing with EVE their would not be a need for a PLEX Vault, and that is gate camps. Next to large scale corporation wars, which are rare, players have suffered more ship loses at gate camps period. In High SEC ships are lost by perpetrators to the victims and then CONCORD responding to the perps. If gate camps in High SEC were more balanced by, say lock times increases around high sec gates, and or AoE smart bombs are disabled at high sec gates, then people transporting PLEX through High Sec would be safer WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A PLEX VAULT (apply this also to undocking at stations). But no. Since the idea of a PLEX vault is being proposed to make PLEX transaction safer, this only implies indirectly the problem with gate camps. In other words the proposed change is ignoring the real problem with EVE. Go after the real issue and CCP can make PLEX transaction safer in EVE especially for new players. So, fix the gate camp problem, and then no is need for a PLEX vault to keep PLEX safe, and gankers will still have a chance to catch a player transporting PLEX in High SEC, just not at gates (or undocking at a station, maybe). However, if people say leave the gate camp in high sec as is, then I'm for the PLEX vault, which means gankers will lose out through all New Eden, and I would not have any sympathy for those that would cry about that. As for CCP breaking up the PLEX for smaller denomination, I'm indifferent. It's a chance for CCP to increase their revenue stream, which every game company should be entitled to do under fair conditions to its players. Finally, as for voiding Aurum balances under 1000 without compensation to players, I'm against that because its too much of a liability against CCP. Cheers! We're not here to change the game, we're here to change YOUR game
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Circumstantial Evidence 390	Posted - 2017.03.19 22:07:32 - [480] - Quote CCP please come up with a new name. Why do I need 500 "Pilot License EXtensions" in order to fly for one month?

TheDoctorUK BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 7	Posted - 2017.03.19 22:20:19 - [481] - Quote In regards to this topic, Heres a suggestion. Plex remains in game but you cannot add new plex, once they are used up there gone. (Make a 3 month cut off before auto convert to aurum and make a in game item thats has no value called Invalid Plex for the ones who horded them) CCP Sells Aurum NES Sells Aurum Tokens in the Aurum Store @ 1 token to 1 aur. in multiples like 10, 50, 100, 500, 1000, 5000 Aurum Tokens can be sold for ISK. Aurum Tokens can only be redeemed in station/citadel (They cant be lost in a citadel loss (even in a wormhole), they are redeemed straight to the account's aurum wallet on destruction, or in case of corp hanger redeemed into the CEO's account) Aurum tokens are a in game item and can be traded for isk. Player buys 3900 aurum on makret and redeems that into there wallet for 30-DAY game-time. this gives an option for 6300 for 60 days 9000 for 90 days (incentive to buy more game time at once for a little discount) You can only buy game-time in the new Eden store or on account management page. There is one obvious mechanic that could be abused is redeeming Aurum in Jita and redeeming it, then going to Amarr and buying Aurum Tokens from the NES, but place a 7 day restriction on redeeming Aurum balances that been bought (this still allows it but at a time , except the original station/citadel first redeemed, but not new Aurum tokens bought with a Credit Card. I never been a fan of Aurum, but it been here a while now and we should retain its name, and for the sake of vanity items, allow walking in stations/citadels, the art work already done (dust 514 lobby) so it wont take much to implement. tl:dr No more new Plex, Keep Aurum, Add Aurum Tokens, aurum buys 30/60/90 day GTC.
Alderson Point Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2017.03.19 22:47:13 - [482] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Tipa Riot wrote: Martin Corwin wrote: 1000 AUR is worth 5 Gé¼. If you void all the AUR balances < 1k AUR and STEAL all that money from your player base, I'm biomassing all my characters never to return. I'm not going to support a company that's stealing money from their customers. Lol, 1000 AUR are worth in RL exactly nothing, it's a virtual thing owned by CCP. CCP can do with the Aurum what they want, didn't you read the ToS before signing up for EvE? Nothing within this game belongs to you, but is property of CCP. That depends, in UK law if you bought something from a company they have to deliver it. This would be a very grey area, especiialy if you considered Aurum to be a service You have a valid point, The final verdict of a court is difficult to predict, but there may be precidence here with other cases. Bearing in mind that trading standards are a national organisation run locally, without direct cost to the consumer, complaints are free, and the costs would be for CCP to defend. They sell in Europe, the fact they are in iceland is not relevant. They can use the EULA in their defence, in court, do they feel lucky? Is that really worth all the effort, especially if the judgement goes against them, a large PR and financial risk for a minute gain. Someone should discuss this with legal, before it goes any further. Simplifying the currencies is an unalloyed good, making peoples payments disappear, not so much.
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1322	Posted - 2017.03.19 22:47:33 - [483] - Quote TheDoctorUK wrote: In regards to this topic, Heres a suggestion. Plex remains in game but you cannot add new plex, once they are used up there gone. (Make a 3 month cut off before auto convert to aurum and make a in game item thats has no value called Invalid Plex for the ones who horded them) CCP Sells Aurum NES Sells Aurum Tokens in the Aurum Store @ 1 token to 1 aur. in multiples like 10, 50, 100, 500, 1000, 5000 Aurum Tokens can be sold for ISK. Aurum Tokens can only be redeemed in station/citadel (They cant be lost in a citadel loss (even in a wormhole), they are redeemed straight to the account's aurum wallet on destruction, or in case of corp hanger redeemed into the CEO's account) Aurum tokens are a in game item and can be traded for isk. Player buys 3900 aurum on makret and redeems that into there wallet for 30-DAY game-time. this gives an option for 6300 for 60 days 9000 for 90 days (incentive to buy more game time at once for a little discount) You can only buy game-time in the new Eden store or on account management page. There is one obvious mechanic that could be abused is redeeming Aurum in Jita and redeeming it, then going to Amarr and buying Aurum Tokens from the NES, but place a 7 day restriction on redeeming Aurum balances that been bought (this still allows it but at a time , except the original station/citadel first redeemed, but not new Aurum tokens bought with a Credit Card. I never been a fan of Aurum, but it been here a while now and we should retain its name, and for the sake of vanity items, allow walking in stations/citadels, the art work already done (dust 514 lobby) so it wont take much to implement. tl:dr No more new Plex, Keep Aurum, Add Aurum Tokens, aurum buys 30/60/90 day GTC. Aside from you wanting to stop people using an item they paid for, this change is NOT about "game time". It IS about simplifying how players pay for items in the NEX store. Aurum is going away (a good thing) to be replaced with an item resembling plex. Plex once the changes go through will no longer be "Plex" as we know it today but an ingame currency primarily focused on NEX store sales. Game time will become the secondary use. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
TheDoctorUK BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 7	Posted - 2017.03.19 23:16:29 - [484] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Aside from you wanting to stop people using an item they paid for, this change is NOT about "game time". It IS about simplifying how players pay for items in the NEX store. Aurum is going away (a good thing) to be replaced with an item resembling plex. Plex once the changes go through will no longer be "Plex" as we know it today but an ingame currency primarily focused on NEX store sales. Game time will become the secondary use. My suggestion simplifies things as well, with the same result, getting rid of PLEX as a item and adding Aurum tokens instead ends with the same result without the stress of creating a 3rd currancy. And not needing a "Vault" P.S. There is all-ready a Aurum token in game id 2833 - 1000 Aurum Token
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp 289	Posted - 2017.03.19 23:47:21 - [485] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Aside from you wanting to stop people using an item they paid for, this change is NOT about "game time". It IS about simplifying how players pay for items in the NEX store. Aurum is going away (a good thing) to be replaced with an item resembling plex. Plex once the changes go through will no longer be "Plex" as we know it today but an ingame currency primarily focused on NEX store sales. Game time will become the secondary use. Give me one reason why AUR should go away, while it is ALREADY a fractional item to PLEX? Why invent yet another item to replace it? Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1322	Posted - 2017.03.20 00:19:36 - [486] - Quote TheDoctorUK wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Aside from you wanting to stop people using an item they paid for, this change is NOT about "game time". It IS about simplifying how players pay for items in the NEX store. Aurum is going away (a good thing) to be replaced with an item resembling plex. Plex once the changes go through will no longer be "Plex" as we know it today but an ingame currency primarily focused on NEX store sales. Game time will become the secondary use. My suggestion simplifies things as well, with the same result, getting rid of PLEX as a item and adding Aurum tokens instead ends with the same result without the stress of creating a 3rd currancy. And not needing a "Vault" P.S. There is all-ready a Aurum token in game id 2833 - 1000 Aurum Token Aurum was added as a secondary item specifically for the NEX store, Plex has been around forever and is more widely associated with Eve. Removing Aurum (translates to GOLD) is the best option. Having only 1 currency for everything means CCP can better control how that currency is used. As Plex has been the accepted way to pay for game time, it will be a much easier transition to use it in the Nex store. As for the vault, it is a good idea in principle but its placement in the game is the biggest hurdle. If it is added to the rarely used "Pilot License" tab in the character sheet it will not be intrusive. Whereas if it is added to the inventory hangar it will need to have a "hide" button added with it as many will not want 1, another fixed tab in their inventory 2, blatant in your face advertising (EA style) is something Eve can do without. Pilot License tab doesn't need to be the tab so rarely used with even less useful information and overall use. Renaming the "Pilot License" tab to "Plex Vault", then add the ability to see how much game time you have left (regardless of how you pay for it) would be a nice QOL thing. The links to account management / buy Plex are already there, so a name change and a little more info added and we're done. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Angelo Schilling Knights of the Protectorate 2	Posted - 2017.03.20 03:26:26 - [487] - Quote Querns wrote: FYI: It would be extremely foolish of CCP to allow players to purchase game time in increments smaller than 30 days. It'd take about a week before the first out-of-game, API-backed application arises to monitor your subscription levels and only prompt you to use a PLEX for every hour and change of actual log-in time you need. I'd probably write the application myself. Doing this would utterly devastate CCP's bottom line. I agree that there are certain people that would only use it to gain Omega access to ships, but plenty of us are still running all accounts in Omega for the training time?
Kusum Fawn Perkone Caldari State 570	Posted - 2017.03.20 04:07:54 - [488] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: TheDoctorUK wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Aside from you wanting to stop people using an item they paid for, this change is NOT about "game time". It IS about simplifying how players pay for items in the NEX store. Aurum is going away (a good thing) to be replaced with an item resembling plex. Plex once the changes go through will no longer be "Plex" as we know it today but an ingame currency primarily focused on NEX store sales. Game time will become the secondary use. My suggestion simplifies things as well, with the same result, getting rid of PLEX as a item and adding Aurum tokens instead ends with the same result without the stress of creating a 3rd currancy. And not needing a "Vault" P.S. There is all-ready a Aurum token in game id 2833 - 1000 Aurum Token Aurum was added as a secondary item specifically for the NEX store, Plex has been around forever and is more widely associated with Eve. Removing Aurum (translates to GOLD) is the best option. Having only 1 currency for everything means CCP can better control how that currency is used. As Plex has been the accepted way to pay for game time, it will be a much easier transition to use it in the Nex store. As for the vault, it is a good idea in principle but its placement in the game is the biggest hurdle. If it is added to the rarely used "Pilot License" tab in the character sheet it will not be intrusive. Whereas if it is added to the inventory hangar it will need to have a "hide" button added with it as many will not want 1, another fixed tab in their inventory 2, blatant in your face advertising (EA style) is something Eve can do without. Pilot License tab doesn't need to be the tab so rarely used with even less useful information and overall use. Renaming the "Pilot License" tab to "Plex Vault", then add the ability to see how much game time you have left (regardless of how you pay for it) would be a nice QOL thing. The links to account management / buy Plex are already there, so a name change and a little more info added and we're done. While its true that PLEX has been around for a while, that isnt a good reason to get rid of AURUM which was introduced exactly for the reason that they are talking about removing the current PLEX. I havent seen anything that says that they are unhappy with how plex is being used, other then possible RMT through ship loss mails, which could easily be fixed by (1) disallowing plex to put into ships (2) Allowing Reverse redeem to move. What I do see is > This new PLEX granularity will allow us to sell smaller PLEX packages, Why? to better be able to microtransaction everything. It has nothing to do with game play, but with the same basic monetizing structure that every other pay to win game has that everyone hates. Since game time will still require 500 plex to add a month, there is no reason to break it into smaller units. except to be able to sell 499 packs and 999 packs instead of 500/1000 . There was a specific choice made at the time to disallow plex from being moved, this was complained about because people would redeem them in null stations and no one would buy them out there. here is the original dev blog about that https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/i-can-resist-anything-but-temptation/ And the comments on that http://eve-search.com/thread/920773-0/page/1 They could easily have made the AURUM tokens a more tradeable thing, for a a more granular primary currency but they arent. They could easily make it possible to trade 3500 aurum for game time, but they arent. They could easily just rename AURUM to PLEX2.0 and have it do everything theat it already does. but they arent They could easily make the PLEX item 1 billion m/3 and solve all the new pilot errors and shuttle plextanks. But They Arent. Its not about QOL, or granularity. its a badly done cash grab. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
erg cz Broz With Froz Dot Dot Dot 571	Posted - 2017.03.20 09:16:44 - [489] - Quote Circumstantial Evidence wrote: CCP please come up with a new name. Why do I need 500 "Pilot License EXtensions" in order to fly for one month? P.L.E.T aka Pilote License Extention Token. Absolutely free trial extension. Just click the link and get extra 250 000 SP for free!
Christopher Nolm EVE University Ivy League 8	Posted - 2017.03.20 10:21:45 - [490] - Quote Number 1) Great move Number 2) Please rename it. You can't just redefine a currency and everything be ok if the new currency is called the same thing as the old currency. No matter how well you communicate it or change the font or logo or re brand it, etc. if it has the same name then you are setting up some returning players for a big fall when they will inevitably get massively scammed. Returning players will just assume any re-branding just as a design update and not that there has been any meaningful change. I get that you want to keep the identity as everyone knows what a 'PLEX' is. The new name doesn't have to be a million miles away. How about 'PLEX Part' ? At least for a year or two and then just drop the word "part" after some appreciable amount of time.

Teros Hakomairos Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 4	Posted - 2017.03.20 10:27:38 - [491] - Quote Star wars quote : so this is the way democracy dies...with thundering applause Eve quote : so this is way eve dies....with a jammed open door for microtransactions.... This is not the eve the commubity that protested against the monocle anymore,this is a community that finds mt "normal"..... This is not eve anymore.....
Henry Plantgenet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 189	Posted - 2017.03.20 10:45:08 - [492] - Quote And in the aftermath of the microtransaction scandal of 2017 ccp employees will all be saying: "But ve ver only obeying orders and the one who made us do it all was (s)HE!" (thanks spitting image for giving me this quote to draw from) advise for CCP: -If you want to unify the RMT currencies you have introduced you must bite the bullet of converting ALL the balances doing anything less is considered theft unless you decide to convert only the paid balances below 1000 additionally. (The ones you gave out as a gift and below 1000 would not technically be a theft as much as recalling a gift?) That you decided to give everyone aurum regardless of account status and when the accounts were made (especially the second part) Is your oversight and you mustn't make your customers take your bullet for you. -Use a new name for the currency. -Explain to us why you think more micro transactions are needed in the game beyond the: "We're trying to cash out of this game and we're leaving you on the doorstep of some orphanage." -don't do something silly (read: Stupid) and make performance based micro transactions beyond skill extractors (which shouldn't be based on aurum but on isk and seeded by NPCs but i digress....)
Chris Ishar Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 3	Posted - 2017.03.20 12:52:42 - [493] - Quote Sam Guivenne wrote: 1: Risk vs Reward: Plex hauling is supposed to be incredibly risky, which is why its also highly profitable. 4: This nullifies all that Aurum you gave out to everybody for Christmas, which is just a plain **** move. 1. There is zero reason to move a plex. Absolutely zero. Risk vs Reward? None, PLEX is to put rl money into either 30 days subscription or ingame ISK. No risk no profit, only a mere 1 billion ISK for about 12 euro. 4. Aurum was a bad idea and now they are fixing it. Will we need to sue ccp? No. Why? NOW : They will first see people buy Aurom to get ISK. Those are what is called "early adaptors" they buy AUR now and get a certainty to have their Aurum transferred. THEN (when parameters non disclosed are met) and ONLY THEN ccp will take the next step : Offers in the AUR section. Just like announced seperately. It's called marketing, stirr up people with "open" offers then watch the market split. And they will split untill all Aurum below 1000 is either gone or they go with PLAN B which is can't be disclosed as it's dumb to disclose all options of a deal while negotiating. People trust the supplier and will hop on any deal to not loose their invested money. Split them up and slowly offer different solutions. In the end most players and ccp will be satisfied. And all will be with minimal economical loss to ccp. drop keyboard PS: My keyboard is broken, I will need to get a new one. How come that doesn't happen to microphones?
Tetsel Heretic Army Circle-Of-Two 305	Posted - 2017.03.20 14:54:18 - [494] - Quote Chris Ishar wrote: It's called marketing, stirr up people with "open" offers then watch the market split. And they will split untill all Aurum below 1000 is either gone or they go with PLAN B which is can't be disclosed as it's dumb to disclose all options of a deal while negotiating. People trust the supplier and will hop on any deal to not loose their invested money. Split them up and slowly offer different solutions. In the end most players and ccp will be satisfied. And all will be with minimal economical loss to ccp. drop keyboard PS: My keyboard is broken, I will need to get a new one. How come that doesn't happen to microphones? Are you implying that 1) CCP know what they are doing ? 2)CCP are able to PLAN B (which they often proove wrong) ? You're so cute Loyal servent to Mother Amamake. @EVE_Tetsel Another Bittervet Please Ignore
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 4026	Posted - 2017.03.20 15:30:06 - [495] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Sharcy wrote: Vulvona Ride-in wrote: My bet: montly plexing fees will explode ISK-wise! Maybe, but ATM only the wealthiest players can afford to trade in PLEX. With smaller units, more ppl can do so, so you'll have more volume with more competition. This should drive the price down rather than up. No it won't. Those trading in smaller amounts still want to make a profit - Look at the prices of different size Aur lots on the market. My guess, the price of variable amounts of Plex will follow the same trend. 1 = 500 plex = 1.1 bil .5 = 250 plex = 600 mil .25 = 125 plex =325 mil Smaller lots will cost more than a months subscription of 500 plex. Its hard to say where the new ISK price point for one month of Omega will end up. For example, CCP will be able to offer small packages of new-PLEX, like 100 for $5. This will open up new markets: people who do not want to spend $20 for 1 billion ISK, as they don't need 1 bil, and don't want to spend $20 for something they don't need. Now they can get just what they want. So they buy, and sell in the in-game market. Result: An increase in new-PLEX supply, which drives prices down. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Emeric Jadgoth Southern Gold Salvage Operations 12	Posted - 2017.03.20 20:03:15 - [496] - Quote Alderson Point wrote: Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Tipa Riot wrote: Martin Corwin wrote: 1000 AUR is worth 5 Gé¼. If you void all the AUR balances < 1k AUR and STEAL all that money from your player base, I'm biomassing all my characters never to return. I'm not going to support a company that's stealing money from their customers. Lol, 1000 AUR are worth in RL exactly nothing, it's a virtual thing owned by CCP. CCP can do with the Aurum what they want, didn't you read the ToS before signing up for EvE? Nothing within this game belongs to you, but is property of CCP. That depends, in UK law if you bought something from a company they have to deliver it. This would be a very grey area, especiialy if you considered Aurum to be a service You have a valid point, The final verdict of a court is difficult to predict, but there may be precidence here with other cases. Bearing in mind that trading standards are a national organisation run locally, without direct cost to the consumer, complaints are free, and the costs would be for CCP to defend. They sell in Europe, the fact they are in iceland is not relevant. They can use the EULA in their defence, in court, do they feel lucky? Is that really worth all the effort, especially if the judgement goes against them, a large PR and financial risk for a minute gain. Someone should discuss this with legal, before it goes any further. Because we are talking about EVE players it is an absolute certainty that if someone can make trouble, angry he lost even a trivial amount, without any cost to themselves, with someone else "standing up for the little guy" they will, and an interesting challenge for the local authority lawyers, who get nicely paid whatever the result. Simplifying the currencies is an unalloyed good, making peoples payments disappear, not so much. The simplest legal solution to their legally risky issue is to determine which of the AUR balances arose solely from the gifts, a simple database query between their payment gateways and the ISK/PLEX/AUR accounting tables, and exclude only those from the conversion process. That would remove any real-life purchase issue as they guarantee only gifted amounts are dropped. The proper way to do this is to track each inbound AUR from source, tag it as gift/real and then calculate out each account with spending priority given to gifted AUR. So if you have a balance of 2000 AUR consisting of 1000 from a gift and 1000 from a purchase and you spend 1500, you are left with 500 purchased AUR and 0 gifted AUR. It's a lot more complicated, but still a series of simple SQL queries. And they avoid any possible risk of a legal challenge because of the careful handling of the purchased spend.
Dr Missy Silver Guardians DARKNESS. 0	Posted - 2017.03.20 21:36:12 - [497] - Quote I am tracking the changes, however CCP makes no sense when it comes to this statement: CCP: "We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days." CCP Q&A: Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages. So, exactly why chop it up when you still need to redeem all 500 for skill training, or account time? Is someone insane? 1 is simple.. 500 is not. Unless you are saying you can buy stuff on the New Eden store for ~ 250 PLEX or something since Aurum is going away. The Plex vault makes sense, but I still am not tracking the 500 plex thing. Maybe make it so you can break up 1 PLEX into PLEx or something, that is smaller units for use on the EVE store, but you can combine 500 of those into 1 PLEX to keep it SIMPLE.
Chris Ishar Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 3	Posted - 2017.03.20 21:53:54 - [498] - Quote Tetsel wrote: Are you implying that 1) CCP know what they are doing ? 2)CCP are able to PLAN B (which they often proove wrong) ? You're so cute First of all, I still respect you with all of my heart but you misspelled "prove". Please take a paper and write 100 times prove. This is not a punishment yet a manner in which you will be more inclined to use a spell checker. Preferably the one integrated in these forums. That aside, 1) CCP are the top managers of the world. They run a game for over 10 years with success. I applaud them and always try to see where they are going with their great strategies and communication towards the customers 2) Plan B is sometimes difficult to explain. It's like when you are in a meeting and think "this is going to fail horrible yet lack a better proposal and vote yes. Then a few weeks later there is an emergency meeting because the customer didn't understand the way we communicated clearly and openly." At those meetings we decide about "Plan C" , which is difficult to explain. It's like when you are in a meeting and think "this is going to fail horrible yet lack a better proposal and vote yes. Then a few weeks later there is an emergency meeting because the customer didn't understand the way we communicated clearly and openly.". Did you know there are 26 letters in the alphabet and after Z you can start with AA ? That's all I have to say about that. I just hope a lot of great minds here on the forums can express interesting ideas and fair proposals so CCP can pick the right ones before plan XXX which sounds a bit ambiguous. PS : Thanks, blush, I think I'm cute too! A/S/L ?
Ronnie Rose Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:12:38 - [499] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Sharcy wrote: Vulvona Ride-in wrote: My bet: montly plexing fees will explode ISK-wise! Maybe, but ATM only the wealthiest players can afford to trade in PLEX. With smaller units, more ppl can do so, so you'll have more volume with more competition. This should drive the price down rather than up. No it won't. Those trading in smaller amounts still want to make a profit - Look at the prices of different size Aur lots on the market. My guess, the price of variable amounts of Plex will follow the same trend. 1 = 500 plex = 1.1 bil .5 = 250 plex = 600 mil .25 = 125 plex =325 mil Smaller lots will cost more than a months subscription of 500 plex. Its hard to say where the new ISK price point for one month of Omega will end up. For example, CCP will be able to offer small packages of new-PLEX, like 100 for $5. This will open up new markets: people who do not want to spend $20 for 1 billion ISK, as they don't need 1 bil, and don't want to spend $20 for something they don't need. Now they can get just what they want. So they buy, and sell in the in-game market. Result: An increase in new-PLEX supply, which drives prices down. Strike will be 2,000,000 ISK and settle to about 2,200,000.00 ISK We're not here to change the game, we're here to change YOUR game
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 29555	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:06:13 - [500] - Quote erg cz wrote: Circumstantial Evidence wrote: CCP please come up with a new name. Why do I need 500 "Pilot License EXtensions" in order to fly for one month? P.L.E.T aka Pilote License Extention Token. I came up with idea of PLEX being a license, being like a card that you can load with charges and then spend them for "extensions", rather than being on alpha welfare. PLEX vault would then be called PLEX card. And would be filled with PLEX charges. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ

Feracitus Rafix Enterprises CAStabouts 2	Posted - 2017.03.21 00:52:58 - [501] - Quote Since plex now comes in fractions, would be cool if we could also purchase game time in fractions, instead of sinking 1b at a time, specially for people that play sporadically, purchasing smaller bit sized chunks of game time would be much better.
Dr Missy Silver Guardians DARKNESS. 0	Posted - 2017.03.21 01:28:21 - [502] - Quote Feracitus wrote: Since plex now comes in fractions, would be cool if we could also purchase game time in fractions, instead of sinking 1b at a time, specially for people that play sporadically, purchasing smaller bit sized chunks of game time would be much better. There is a no financial incentive to do that (and if I were to guess, I would think a large loss... potentially a large number of people would only "sub" the few hours they play a week
Feracitus Rafix Enterprises CAStabouts 2	Posted - 2017.03.21 02:24:16 - [503] - Quote Dr Missy wrote: Feracitus wrote: Since plex now comes in fractions, would be cool if we could also purchase game time in fractions, instead of sinking 1b at a time, specially for people that play sporadically, purchasing smaller bit sized chunks of game time would be much better. There is a no financial incentive to do that (and if I were to guess, I would think a large loss... potentially a large number of people would only "sub" the few hours they play a week i can dream, cant i?! =(
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1324	Posted - 2017.03.21 02:26:57 - [504] - Quote Dr Missy wrote: Feracitus wrote: Since plex now comes in fractions, would be cool if we could also purchase game time in fractions, instead of sinking 1b at a time, specially for people that play sporadically, purchasing smaller bit sized chunks of game time would be much better. There is a no financial incentive to do that (and if I were to guess, I would think a large loss... potentially a large number of people would only "sub" the few hours they play a week Would not that be better than not having them sub at all? I have several friends who due to RL can't afford or don't want to shell out for a months game time when they can only play on the odd weekend. You have to take into account, the only reason to keep an account subbed is if you want to train it. Once a character has reached a level the player is happy with, the decision becomes - Do I spend X amount on a game I can only play 4 or 5 days a month. CCP will continue to lose those weekend warriors and the income they could generate. -- - -- - -- - -- Currently if you live in Australia a 1 month sub is around $24 with exchange rates as they are. That is $6 a week, which doesn't sound like much when you say it fast BUT if half of that is wasted because you can only play a couple of weekends a month? Could actually make a good discussion topic at the next EDU. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 29560	Posted - 2017.03.21 10:00:50 - [505] - Quote The concept of playing the game without paying is fairly engrained in todays player mind. You can do that with EVE now from get go, to infinity. But it also gives you some incentives to switch to Omega really fast, to have better experience, as you can get rather extensive experience already, but its hampered by Alpha peasant status. Availability of PLEX charges, rather than full PLEX will make easier to stash as much gradually as they want. Giving it a feeling of progression and direction you can move into. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him Osprey =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 152	Posted - 2017.03.21 10:19:45 - [506] - Quote We have been promised a monday review by CCP FullCon. Any results? ED: Not like anything CCP FullCon says has any weight behind it, but maybe there's someone in CCP who still cares. #believe.
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1324	Posted - 2017.03.21 11:30:05 - [507] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Sharcy wrote: Vulvona Ride-in wrote: My bet: montly plexing fees will explode ISK-wise! Maybe, but ATM only the wealthiest players can afford to trade in PLEX. With smaller units, more ppl can do so, so you'll have more volume with more competition. This should drive the price down rather than up. No it won't. Those trading in smaller amounts still want to make a profit - Look at the prices of different size Aur lots on the market. My guess, the price of variable amounts of Plex will follow the same trend. 1 = 500 plex = 1.1 bil .5 = 250 plex = 600 mil .25 = 125 plex =325 mil Smaller lots will cost more than a months subscription of 500 plex. Its hard to say where the new ISK price point for one month of Omega will end up. For example, CCP will be able to offer small packages of new-PLEX, like 100 for $5. This will open up new markets: people who do not want to spend $20 for 1 billion ISK, as they don't need 1 bil, and don't want to spend $20 for something they don't need. Now they can get just what they want. So they buy, and sell in the in-game market. Result: An increase in new-PLEX supply, which drives prices down. So you think players will shell out $5 US for what 200 million isk? But of course that is EXACTLY what CCP hopes will happen - The cost of Plex increases in value (to CCP) by 25% Buy Plex; 500 = $19.95 US 100 = $5.00 US = Nice bit of extra profit for CCP. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Brian Paone Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.21 11:53:32 - [508] - Quote Hi! Just wanted to pop in and say thanks for the proposed PLEX changes. Dealing with two separate currencies for premium purchases was a bit cumbersome (and reminiscent of the clustermess that is Neverwinter!). Most times that I wanted something from the AUR store, it wasn't worth converting a whole PLEX for it, but at the same time the AUR couldn't be used for buying gametime (something I may want to do in the future for a challenge; we'll see). Going forward, this little frustration won't be an issue thanks to the proposed changes. I would also like to report that, despite what some news agencies may be trying to say to the contrary, not everyone is up in arms about these changes. Federal Navy Academy had a very brief discussion on the topic the day the changes were proposed, and discussion was pretty much just limited to making sure we understood the process being proposed. Literally no one had any animosity toward it. Gotta watch out for that fake news, I guess. ;-) Thanks again! -bp
Henry Plantgenet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2017.03.21 12:44:11 - [509] - Quote The thing is it never really was 2 separate currencies.... If you had plex you could convert to aurum. And you'd only have aurum if you wanted something out of the NEX.
McDugle Fweddit The Initiative. 0	Posted - 2017.03.21 12:56:10 - [510] - Quote I know it's just a work in progress, but am I the only one concerned by the screenshot of the inventory window on the Dev Blog? The PLEX Vault should be a button on the button bar, not in the inventory list. I don't want a constant reminder there's a P2W option every time I open up my inventory. That would irritate me more than any PLEX/AUR conversion. I've done some searching on this forum and I think I'm the only one voicing this concern so far.

Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2017.03.21 13:29:58 - [511] - Quote McDugle wrote: I know it's just a work in progress, but am I the only one concerned by the screenshot of the inventory window on the Dev Blog? The PLEX Vault should be a button on the button bar, not in the inventory list. I don't want a constant reminder there's a P2W option every time I open up my inventory. That would irritate me more than any PLEX/AUR conversion. I've done some searching on this forum and I think I'm the only one voicing this concern so far. UI Placement is a excellent thing to consider, I just don't think anyone has got that far yet. The whole concept in general is a hot topic. Though I bet everyone is wondering what colour the new codpieces CCP are adding to the NES for us to purchase will be, I'm fond of a wee bit of tartan.
Brian Paone Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.21 14:54:19 - [512] - Quote Henry Plantgenet wrote: The thing is it never really was 2 separate currencies.... If you had plex you could convert to aurum. And you'd only have aurum if you wanted something out of the NEX. Quote: Most times that I wanted something from the AUR store, it wasn't worth converting a whole PLEX for it, Sorry for any confusion. :-)
Capqu ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1302	Posted - 2017.03.21 16:19:47 - [513] - Quote Teros Hakomairos wrote: Star wars quote : so this is the way democracy dies...with thundering applause Eve quote : so this is way eve dies....with a jammed open door for microtransactions.... This is not the eve commubity that protested against the monocle anymore,this is a community that finds mt "normal"..... This is not eve anymore..... my friend despite your broken english i 100% agree the eve community of the past is dead and the reddit generation will accept this as their attention span is too short to care in a week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
Linklight Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:23:37 - [514] - Quote Quote in the first part of the blog. " We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days" But not changing the amount of time that can be bought, has to be 30 days. Why even put that in there?
Mindrago Aldent The Scope Gallente Federation 52	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:46:02 - [515] - Quote https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/plex-rework-follow-up/
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6564	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:46:29 - [516] - Quote https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/plex-rework-follow-up/ Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Alexa Machavela Viziam Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2017.03.21 18:13:50 - [517] - Quote Matthias Ancaladron wrote: Wtf. So what happens to the 300 Aurum from Christmas I've been saving for a cheap skin. All the skins are always 400 for the ships i like so I can't use it for anything because the stores too expensive. What am I supposed to with it Now? Waste it on a pair of pants or something before the time runs out? 1) Buy pants 2) Take pants to a major market hub 3) Sell pants 4) Save that ISK from the pants until the PLEX change 5) After the PLEX change, use that ISK to buy new, smaller PLEX 6) Use smaller PLEX to buy a ship skin or 1) Buy pants 2) Convince someone with the ship skin you want to trade for the pants or 1) Buy pants 2) Take pants to a major market hub 3) Sell pants 4) Use the ISK to buy the ship skin in the same market hub or another market hub or 1) Wait for CCP to have their pre-granular PLEX roll-out sale and buy the ship skin just before the PLEX conversion. Problem solved. So long, and thanks for all the isk.
Alexa Machavela Viziam Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2017.03.21 18:35:24 - [518] - Quote McDugle wrote: I know it's just a work in progress, but am I the only one concerned by the screenshot of the inventory window on the Dev Blog? The PLEX Vault should be a button on the button bar, not in the inventory list. I don't want a constant reminder there's a P2W option every time I open up my inventory. That would irritate me more than any PLEX/AUR conversion. I've done some searching on this forum and I think I'm the only one voicing this concern so far. Actually, putting it in inventory makes sense. While it IS a currency, it's the only one that can be bought and sold on the market as an item or that can be put in a cargo hold, station container, or just into the item inventory as is. ISK, on the other hand, only exists as a number and is available to you anywhere without the need to be transported or bought only in the place you want to keep/use it. It's like the difference between carrying around cash in a physical wallet or paying digitally (credit card/debit card/Bitcoin/etc.). Sure, it could go in the wallet window, but it fits equally well as inventory, making this a personal preference of yours and not really a game-breaking issue. After all, I'm sure there's at least one person out there who could make the argument that seeing the PLEX vault as an icon in their wallet would 'irritate them more than any PLEX/AUR conversion', and some would voice the opinion that the PLEX/AUR conversion we currently have is more irritating than any UI change in either window. Perhaps some form of poll could be used to find which of the 3 options (leave the current system alone/add a PLEX vault to the inventory/add a PLEX vault to the wallet) would satisfy the largest number of players. So long, and thanks for all the isk.
Alexa Machavela Viziam Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2017.03.21 19:14:18 - [519] - Quote McBorsk wrote: "Check out the blog for further info on this exciting change:" Yeah, how about you let us tell you if it's exciting or not? I am not excited. Wouldn't it be a lot easier to use ISK instead of corrupting THE commodity of the game. The skins are already on the market, aurum store is a superfluous annoyance. The skins are on the market because someone bought the skins in the NEX store or received them as a gift from CCP through the redeeming system and then set up a sell order on the market for the skin. The skins aren't just automatically getting populated in the market, nor are they sold by NPC vendors. The vast majority of skins came from the aurum store initially, meaning people had to pay CCP (or someone else who had already paid CCP) for the PLEX they used to buy Aurum, which, in turn, was used to by skins - or character resculpts or clothes. That means that except for the occasional gift from CCP, all skins, clothes, and resculpts were ultimately bought with RL funds. Getting rid of the store would end the micro-transaction profits from the store for CCP. Do you really think that CCP is going to want to stopping making money from this game or that CCPs employees are going to ask to stop getting a paycheck or at least ask for a much smaller paycheck? So long, and thanks for all the isk.
nameloading Excognative Ignorance Short Bus Syndicate 6	Posted - 2017.03.21 19:26:58 - [520] - Quote this is in response to the newest dev post about this topic. you state that you fully understand what are chief compliants were and to me you only addressed a single issue. The issue of the aurum balance is absoutly wonderful and its better then nothing. but what about the concerns about this turning into just a cash grab as well as this IN FACT making the economy that much more convoluted. i understand you guys are a bussiness in the end but this is just plan old ea tactics and its sad to see how the mighty have fallen. i love this game and i love so many people in it as well at ccp but come on. There must be some other way then making this economy super convoluted. im begging please to re higher an economist to help you guys.

Archer en Tilavine Ryoga Lonely Hearts Lotek of New Eden 1	Posted - 2017.03.21 22:40:01 - [521] - Quote (Note: I have not read the previous posts, so I am replying in a standalone fashion) I am 100% for consolidating PLEX and Aurum. The end result more closely resembles Aurum than PLEX but uses the PLEX name - whatever. Personally I would go a step further to create an more generalized intercharacter currency vault where ISK, PLEX, AK (Analysis Kredits), and LP (Loyalty Points) can be easily transferred between characters while logged into any other character on the same account. ISK and PLEX can already be traded, so perhaps AK and LP can be traded, too, at least across characters on the same account if not with non-account characters. (I can understand why some people would argue against LP being included, but I think it's safe to say that, if it isn't already, AK should be global across characters on the same account) I understand both sides of the debate of ganking people who ship PLEX in less-than-ideal ways. I want to point out one major but clearly overlooked detail, though: there is a HUGE difference between taking advantage of a stupid person (ie. one who should have known better) and an ignorant person (one who would not have known better). We should not take advantage of young and naive capsuleers who have not learned EVE to the extent that they are aware of the risks of shipping PLEX, know how to mitigate the risks, and are aware of alternatives. There are many honorable pirates in EVE who will compensate victims well over the loss of their ship and give them advice, but not when it comes to PLEX. I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of "stupid people" who lose PLEX by shipping them in ill-equipped ships are not, in fact, stupid, but newbies. There is no shortage of stupid people of all kinds with whom to decorate your killboards with, so the proposed changes are not going to change this fact. This proposal will spare the newbies and their real life wallets with only a minimal impact on ganking poorly defended high-value targets. And there will be no shortage of poorly defended transports shipping high-value goods. If we have to choose between protecting our right to kill a very small segment of the population of stupid people and defending people's hard-earned real life money, I'm going to pick the latter every time. Oh, and please convert ALL Aurum to PLEX, not just balances over 1000. EVE will recover from whatever one-time market shock you throw at it. There are so many ways to handle this gracefully, but even the worst case scenario isn't all that bad. One option would be to gradually phase everyone's PLEX into Aurum by a fixed or percentage amount every day or week. Another option would be to create a dedicated currency exchange feature/window where PLEX (and perhaps in the future AK and LP) price controls help mitigate market shock to currencies but NOT to the market in general, as this would be implemented as a separate feature. I know the last time I played Runescape back in 2008 or so they implemented price controls on their auction system that let you place buy/sell orders within a relatively generous percentage range of the going rate to control market shocks. It was a novel feature in that no other MMO had anything like it, and it definitely stabilized the market for the better. Trade skyrocketed as buyers found great deals and sellers made great profits, a win-win for everyone. I am NOT proposing that such a feature apply to markets in general, but rather be restricted to PLEX and other form of currencies down the road.
Alexa Machavela Viziam Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2017.03.22 00:24:21 - [522] - Quote I keep seeing people fuss about how the PLEX vault is going to end the practice of the unwise flying around with PLEX in their cargo. This seems to be based on the assumption that the PLEX vault will make the PLEX inside available at every location in game, yet that's not what the dev blog said at all. As I understand it, the PLEX vault allows all characters in an account to access the PLEX. In other words, if Char1 puts PLEX in the PLEX vault in Jita 4-4, Char2 can access it from the PLEX vault in Jita 4-4. Char3 flying around in Amarr space will still have to fly to Jita before accessing the vault. That's kinda how inventory works location-wise already - items available in one station are NOT also available in all stations - and CCP is considering tacking on the vault to the inventory window. It's the wallet that grants ISK access in all locations, and CCP is NOT announcing that the vault is part of the wallet. In other words, PLEX would still be flown from point A to point B, but a third party character on another account or posting a contract to another character on the same account - neither of which required undocking with PLEX in your cargo bay with the current game mechanics anyway - will no longer be neccessary. So long, and thanks for all the isk.
Ronnie Rose Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2017.03.22 04:43:45 - [523] - Quote It's official. The denominated PLEX will not be used to buy game times less than 30 days, so no cyno alts subbed for only hours at a time. AURUM balances less than a 1000 will be later converted to the new denominated PLEX after balances over a 1000 have been converted. The end. We're not here to change the game, we're here to change YOUR game
Didicad Zima Corp 3	Posted - 2017.03.22 08:04:25 - [524] - Quote Most idiotic idea from CCP ever, even worst than FozzySOV.
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1327	Posted - 2017.03.22 09:48:44 - [525] - Quote Alexa Machavela wrote: I keep seeing people fuss about how the PLEX vault is going to end the practice of the unwise flying around with PLEX in their cargo. This seems to be based on the assumption that the PLEX vault will make the PLEX inside available at every location in game, yet that's not what the dev blog said at all. As I understand it, the PLEX vault allows all characters in an account to access the PLEX. In other words, if Char1 puts PLEX in the PLEX vault in Jita 4-4, Char2 can access it from the PLEX vault in Jita 4-4. Char3 flying around in Amarr space will still have to fly to Jita before accessing the vault. That's kinda how inventory works location-wise already - items available in one station are NOT also available in all stations - and CCP is considering tacking on the vault to the inventory window. It's the wallet that grants ISK access in all locations, and CCP is NOT announcing that the vault is part of the wallet. In other words, PLEX would still be flown from point A to point B, but a third party character on another account or posting a contract to another character on the same account - neither of which required undocking with PLEX in your cargo bay with the current game mechanics anyway - will no longer be neccessary. Why would you do a contract to another character on the same account? In fact if using plex for game time, why would you do anything other than donate it to whoever (doesn't even have to be on the same account)? There is NEVER a valid reason to undock with Plex in a cargo hold - except for RMT purposes. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Alexa Machavela Viziam Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:38:53 - [526] - Quote The Sleeper1A wrote: Taking something I have paid for away is an "Unfair Business Practice" this was made an actionable offence by "The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008" under Aggressive commercial practices 7.-1 (a) and (b) Quote: 7.GÇö(1) A commercial practice is aggressive if, in its factual context, taking account of all of its features and circumstancesGÇö (a)it significantly impairs or is likely significantly to impair the average consumerGÇÖs freedom of choice or conduct in relation to the product concerned through the use of harassment, coercion or undue influence; and (b)it thereby causes or is likely to cause him to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise. The maximum fine for any one case was -ú5,000 but the cap was removed even at the old cap CCP could receive up to a -ú5,000 fine for every $4.99 worth of Aurum or portion thereof they steal. TL;DR if CCP takes something you paid for they will be in a hurt locker of trouble. References: Law and statutes http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/1277/contents/made -ú5,000 fine cap being removed: http://www.linklaters.com/Insights/Publication1005Newsletter/UK-Corporate-Update-1-April-2015/Pages/Statutory-max-fine-unlimited.aspx The legal bits you quoted: UK CCP: Iceland Any questions? So long, and thanks for all the isk.
Alexa Machavela Viziam Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:40:39 - [527] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Alexa Machavela wrote: I keep seeing people fuss about how the PLEX vault is going to end the practice of the unwise flying around with PLEX in their cargo. This seems to be based on the assumption that the PLEX vault will make the PLEX inside available at every location in game, yet that's not what the dev blog said at all. As I understand it, the PLEX vault allows all characters in an account to access the PLEX. In other words, if Char1 puts PLEX in the PLEX vault in Jita 4-4, Char2 can access it from the PLEX vault in Jita 4-4. Char3 flying around in Amarr space will still have to fly to Jita before accessing the vault. That's kinda how inventory works location-wise already - items available in one station are NOT also available in all stations - and CCP is considering tacking on the vault to the inventory window. It's the wallet that grants ISK access in all locations, and CCP is NOT announcing that the vault is part of the wallet. In other words, PLEX would still be flown from point A to point B, but a third party character on another account or posting a contract to another character on the same account - neither of which required undocking with PLEX in your cargo bay with the current game mechanics anyway - will no longer be neccessary. Why would you do a contract to another character on the same account? In fact if using plex for game time, why would you do anything other than donate it to whoever (doesn't even have to be on the same account)? There is NEVER a valid reason to undock with Plex in a cargo hold - except for RMT purposes. My point wasn't 'how to help people RMT'. My point is that you will still be able to blow them up during transport. So long, and thanks for all the isk.
Alexa Machavela Viziam Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2017.03.22 17:14:24 - [528] - Quote marly cortez wrote: As to this Plex issue, having never had the need for plex since multi boxing got kicked into touch, the whole thing seems to put it politely, a non-issue. However, the darker picture here is this advertisement, seems the selling reptiles have slithered in by the back door to me battering your face with products no one would ever consider buying in the first place always missing the real point here, that if it really was any good people would already know all about it and would not require this intrusive prompting. For items no one would ever consider buying, there sure seem to be plenty of them in game. Apparently not everyone wants to have an overly generic paint job on their ship or look like the homeless person that hasn't changed their clothes in years. I, for one, enjoy not dressing like a dirty poor or an Alpha. TBH, I rather liked the really old system that allowed for some truly off-the-wall empire-race-based outfits to be chosen in character creation. The character creation outfits disappeared long ago, but it's nice to be able to buy them in the store for a measly few bucks. And if it weren't the case that some people DO like cosmetic items, no one would have purchased AURUM in the first place, even for the purpose of reselling in-game. After all, resellers don't make a profit off of buying and attempting to sell items that no one ever buys. *I have a bit of AURUM left, but it's just leftovers. It's too little to buy anything with, so I had no way to convert it back anyway, so losing a few pennies-worth of something that was just collecting space-dust doesn't bother me at all. Heck, when I RL shop with cash, I tell the cashier to just keep the pennies for whoever needs them - they are just pennies. So long, and thanks for all the isk.
AFK Hauler State War Academy 1206	Posted - 2017.03.22 17:22:01 - [529] - Quote AFK Hauler wrote: Scanning the thread, I can see that there is about 98.76% negative response to this subject. Wonder what % we need to be before CCP calls off this nonsense. Lies, damn lies, and these numbers.... Looks like it's about 98% negative feedback before CCP listens. Good job peeps for talking sense into CCP over these changes.
Alexa Machavela Viziam Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2017.03.22 18:31:22 - [530] - Quote Dr Missy wrote: ... Unless you are saying you can buy stuff on the New Eden store for ~ 250 PLEX or something since Aurum is going away. That's exactly what they are saying. So long, and thanks for all the isk.

Cearain Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing 1513	Posted - 2017.03.23 17:13:20 - [531] - Quote Olleybear wrote: Cearain wrote: Olleybear wrote: Perhaps you could enlighten us(2) with a preponderance of evidence that the CSM is profiteering on this latest change to our wondrous Eveonline community? Aryth: "What happens when you put the long term planner on the CSM and seeing the long term plans. Good things for us that's what." BTW for those who don't know Aryth is a member of csm. Salutations! It would seem you are implying that a CSM member by the name of Aryth is currently manipulating the market for PLEX based on two sentences that member apparently uttered. This hardly constitutes proof of a conspiracy over the price of PLEX via market manipulation. Indeed, the above sentence you quoted could mean just about anything. I think the 2 sentences mean what he says. That is he will use the information about ccps long term plans that he gets from being on csm to benefit his coalition. You ask for evidence that people from csm used information to their benefit here. I gave you a direct quote from a csm member saying he will do just that with the nda information. And you say well its just generally he will do that its not proof he did that here. Well why do you think he didn't do that here? I mean clearly he has no qualms about using nda to benefit his alliance. Since he made that clear why would we think he wouldn't do that here? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Starpicket TheOG You Chase That Feeling 0	Posted - 2017.03.23 22:49:56 - [532] - Quote I like what CCP is trying to do with "PLEX" But I don't think they are going the right way about it. for example. the cost of a "PLEX" is about 1,168,000,000 at the moment. if they where broken into 500 the cost of a "Plex Piece" would be 2,336,000. This means that a month of game time would cost 500 X 2,336,000 = 1,168,000,000 making the monthly subscription the exact same, because each of those 500 pieces are usless without the other 499 to those seeking a monthly sub. granted the prices would drop initially as aurum transfering adds to the supply. I would suggest that a "PLEX" be broken into 30 pieces , and change the "PLEX" to be 24 hours of game time. this would do a couple of things for the players and for CCP. 1. A player could buy "PLEX" in smaller amounts as they get the isk and not run the risk of falling out of Omega. 2. A players could pick and choose there time for Omega, and this is the important one for CCP I believe. This would open the game up more to the "weekend warriors" in gaming, as most "weekend warriors" are reluctant to sub to a game because 5 out of the 7 days for the sub is wasted to them. Lets face it CCP they are the ones with all the money because they are working all week, If they only get a few hours to play on a weekend don't you worry for a second that they wouldn't buy LOADS of "PLEX" to sell for ISK to inject into things. They will be impatient as they have limited time, they with want to dive straight into the real PVP in expensive ships. and for the full time players that means easy expensive kills, but ultimately for higher end content. 3. I believe this would reduce the demand for "PLEX" among the "FULL Time player" slightly as people would be extending 30 days of "PLEX" using them smarter out to 40-50 days. and there would be Extra on the market from the "weekend warriors". 4. This would drop the price of "PLEX" in game as the demand is slightly reduced making it harder to "BUY A SUPER" with "PLEX", witch means people would need to buy more "PLEX" from CCP to be able to afford things. For example a carrier Hull costs about the price of a "PLEX" at the moment or $20, if the price of "PLEX" drops 50% (witch is not realistic now but not out of the realm of reality for EVE) then it would cost somone $40 to buy a carrier with "PLEX". I hope you read this CCP and I hope you consider it or something like it, as the general opinion of the 500 pieces is not a good idea. After all isn't this a players game? Kind regards Starpicket TheOG
Olleybear Armed And Angry 233	Posted - 2017.03.24 01:57:31 - [533] - Quote Cearain wrote: I think the 2 sentences mean what he says. That is he will use the information about ccps long term plans that he gets from being on csm to benefit his coalition. You ask for evidence that people from csm used information to their benefit here. I gave you a direct quote from a csm member saying he will do just that with the nda information. And you say well its just generally he will do that its not proof he did that here. Well why do you think he didn't do that here? I mean clearly he has no qualms about using nda to benefit his alliance. Since he made that clear why would we think he wouldn't do that here? Hello my friend! We(1) are eager to answer why We do not think he breached the NDA as of yet. If a CSM member were to use NDA information ahead of time and move to give themselves or someone else an unfair in game advantage by disclosing said NDA information before CCP released this information for public consumption, that CSM member would be removed from the CSM. Further, depending on how egregious the breach, that person could receive a ban from playing Eve Online. CCP has internal tools which can catch nefarious activity by any CSM members who might be jockeying for in game advantage by breaching the NDA. Surely this CSM member would be removed post-haste by CCP should he try and would have been removed already if he were currently breaching the NDA. Here are a few links showing actual proof of what We say: Ankhesentapemkah for NDA breach Larkonis Trassler of CSM 3 for NDA breach There are quite possibly more than just the above two We have linked but We do not have the inclination nor, dare We say, even the need to pursue more proof for Our side of the debate. This, my friend, is solid proof of CCPs past actions showing they will indeed remove and ban people from the CSM for doing exactly what you are claiming Aryth is doing/planning on doing based on two sentences he once uttered. We are eagerly awaiting for you to show proof, not more words, Proof to Us of an actual NDA violation, and not a simply reposting the same two sentences over and over again. Fine Print: (1)We, Our, and Us denotes the multiple personalities are getting bored of not seeing proof of illicit actions but merely a reposting of words. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Cearain Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing 1515	Posted - 2017.03.24 14:22:19 - [534] - Quote Olleybear wrote: Cearain wrote: I think the 2 sentences mean what he says. That is he will use the information about ccps long term plans that he gets from being on csm to benefit his coalition. You ask for evidence that people from csm used information to their benefit here. I gave you a direct quote from a csm member saying he will do just that with the nda information. And you say well its just generally he will do that its not proof he did that here. Well why do you think he didn't do that here? I mean clearly he has no qualms about using nda to benefit his alliance. Since he made that clear why would we think he wouldn't do that here? Hello my friend! We(1) are eager to answer why We do not think he breached the NDA as of yet. If a CSM member were to use NDA information ahead of time and move to give themselves or someone else an unfair in game advantage by disclosing said NDA information before CCP released this information for public consumption, that CSM member would be removed from the CSM. Further, depending on how egregious the breach, that person could receive a ban from playing Eve Online. CCP has internal tools which can catch nefarious activity by any CSM members who might be jockeying for in game advantage by breaching the NDA. Surely this CSM member would be removed post-haste by CCP should he try and would have been removed already if he were currently breaching the NDA. Here are a few links showing actual proof of what We say: Ankhesentapemkah for NDA breach Larkonis Trassler of CSM 3 for NDA breach There are quite possibly more than just the above two We have linked but We do not have the inclination nor, dare We say, even the need to pursue more proof for Our side of the debate. This, my friend, is solid proof of CCPs past actions showing they will indeed remove and ban people from the CSM for doing exactly what you are claiming Aryth is doing/planning on doing based on two sentences he once uttered. We are eagerly awaiting for you to show proof, not more words, Proof to Us of an actual NDA violation, and not a simply reposting the same two sentences over and over again. Fine Print: (1)We, Our, and Us denotes the multiple personalities are getting bored of not seeing proof of illicit actions but merely a reposting of words. I can't tell if you are serious talking about this "we" stuff. But whatever. You say "CCP has internal tools which can catch nefarious activity by any CSM members who might be jockeying for in game advantage by breaching the NDA." Of course if they give out the information out of game - which most discussion about eve is out of game CCP has no way to detect it. They do not have wiretaps set up on csm members. So CCP is stuck with a situation where they just see characters buying ans selling items. Why they do that is not part of the game. It is not something ccp can track at all. Note Larkonis trassler not only did the trades on his own account but he also didn't even leave iceland before he did the trades. When asked about it he admitted it. So to hold him up as an example of how ccp can track anything down is just silly. With Ank we don't know the situation and from what limitted information we had it did not sound like a situation where she was trying to get in game advantage but rather she actually gave some of this information to another company or misrepresented something. But either way this just demonstrates people on csm can not be trusted and that is the clear history we have. There are others you missed. There are so many ways people can avoid getting caught taking advantage of this information it is just silly to say ccp will know. Lets say a bunch of people in an alliance decided they wanted to switch from manufacturing rorquals to making some other thing. Now maybe they did this because their csm member tipped them off. But then again maybe they did just decide it was time to use their minerals for something else. How is ccp to know this? If they ban the csm member when it just happened that the alliance made the decision to change (and csm was not involved at all) then they are clearly wrongfully banning him without sufficient evidence. But how could they possibly know whether a phone call was made? Answer: they can't. So anyone with even a small ounce of intelligence can use this information to help their alliance just like Aryth said he would do. Do you think aryth was lying when he said he would do this? Do you not see how his explicitly saying he will do this and then ccp not even caring demonstrates what a joke this is? If a politician says hey I am going to skim money and do crooked deals for my friends if I get elected, and then people go ahead and elect him anyway, the only take away is that it is understood that bribes are business as usual. For you to say my directly quoting someone saying they intend to use nda material to help their alliance is not evidence of anything just shows how out of touch you are. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Roan Pico I- T I E -I 15	Posted - 2017.03.24 20:49:31 - [535] - Quote Ok, lets have a look at this: * CCP gave 300 free AUR to everyone on christmas * People being smarter than CCP farmed this with quadrillions of alt accounts * CCP now got aware of their stupidity, is concerned this 300 AUR per account could kill PLEX price and steals every AUR below 1000 AUR - even those paid with real money Here is how a stupid like me would solve this: * remove 300 AUR from all accounts that received 300 AUR on christmas * convert all remaining AUR >0 But im just an uneducated Hillbilly.
ApexDynamo Hazardous Wormhole Rebels 12	Posted - 2017.03.25 10:14:55 - [536] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Kyttn wrote: "Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000? A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX." Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here 7 aurum will become 1 plex. so 1050 aurum is 150 plex. They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000 they're ignoring balances below 1000 lol players buy aurum from starter packs and your basically saying get rekt lol good way to keep customers.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6581	Posted - 2017.03.25 20:18:55 - [537] - Quote ApexDynamo wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Kyttn wrote: "Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000? A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX." Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here 7 aurum will become 1 plex. so 1050 aurum is 150 plex. They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000 they're ignoring balances below 1000 lol players buy aurum from starter packs and your basically saying get rekt lol good way to keep customers. Things have changed. Read the new devblog. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
FIX IT Numbers Inc 19	Posted - 2017.03.31 09:53:34 - [538] - Quote Dr Missy wrote: Feracitus wrote: Since plex now comes in fractions, would be cool if we could also purchase game time in fractions, instead of sinking 1b at a time, specially for people that play sporadically, purchasing smaller bit sized chunks of game time would be much better. There is a no financial incentive to do that (and if I were to guess, I would think a large loss... potentially a large number of people would only "sub" the few hours they play a week Of cause there is a financial incentive. You charge more per day if they buy in smaller chunks than if they buy in longer ones - CCP already does it with month-year subscriptions, you just extend the logic further. Also, this is not even an experiment, this is how gold functions in tank games that are out there. They make crazy profit btw, more per month than CCP has made in its entire existence. The power of micro-transactions is in their seductiveness and mass appeal. CCP does not get it at all, and generally have trouble monetizing. Consider titan skins and how much ccp charges for them, as opposed to frigate skins and how much ccp charges for them. How many titan pilots are there in eve? How much $ will ccp make if every single titan pilot buys every single titan skin ever made? Will it ever pay for dev time? I mean some graphic artist worked on it, and then on the pictures for it in the store. All to make ccp 1000$. CCP is worried people will spend money to light cinos. This is nut. If someone want to give ccp 3$ to light a cino why not? Can you imagine how many of them get lit every day? Someone will go omega for an evening to go pvp in 0.0 - now thats the worst that can happen? CCP gets money and you get content as you get to shoot at them or be shot by them. Ill keep going with a rant :) Alpha clones - why do they train at half speed? Seriously, wouldn't you want the player to reach the maximum skills on alpha and want to fly a better ship and subscribe and thus give ccp money? Training faster is not an incentive if there is an upper limit on skills, and there is a limit for alphas. if anything you want alphas to train FASTER so a new player can get to the limit and start doing cool things int he game and feel like alpha isn't enough for them. Lets say you get a new player at 1 million sp to go Omega for one month, that all you will get since he still cant fly anything cool, they still have to learn all the same alpha skills. On the plus side this breaking down of plex I think is CCPs first serious step to try to get people to spend the plex on little stuff. Because if even a fraction of the plex that is already in the game gets used for subscription time CCP will go bankrupt, yes ccp got money for those plex, but that was yesterday, now they are IOUs for services to be rendered.
Aischa Montagne Blut-Klauen-Clan 18	Posted - 2017.04.18 21:10:48 - [539] - Quote Not that I use PLEX a lot. But if I am not mistaken, you can use a Plex through the Asset Window. At least I had never the need to transport PLEX. And I think I used a plex in high sec that was stored in 00 space. Transporting PLEX was always something for the unknowing poor. However I do suggest to Arrange the Vault not in the Inventory. Your Personal wallet is a much better place. It can be an own tab there next to your own balance and Corp balance. It can also contain the services there. Also I vote for keeping Aurum. PLEX may be more common in use, but it is directly tied to the subscription. Other Services tied to Plex are so uncommon in the language. So I think not used very often. To PLEX an Account is very Iconic and it does mean to buy subscription time indirectly through ISK... Thus, I suggest to demote Plex into a service name, which means to Extend subscription by 30 days through Aurum (3500 AUR / Month). Which complies with the meaning it currently has. I suggest further to make Aurum a trade able Currency like PLEX is today. Maybe issuing a special Aurum Container as Item for trade. Maybe if you feel more Comfortable you can only fill the Aurum Container with 3500 Aurum (or the value of one todays Plex) And you have the Option to Issue different Container Sizes in Future. That would be less intrusive for players. Less Conversion hassles and less Market impact by messing with an Items that are existing while changeing its fundamental value. Plus gving CCP more market Option in future due its Flexible Dsign to Package Aurum in Containers. (Reference -> World of Tanks, World of Warships. Working very nice there) However I assume that the impact on your development would be higher. But to be honest, I think it is personal totaly worth the Hassle. Also it is a development Opportunity. I also think that Aurum will be as Popular as Plex is today, as soon as it is tradeable. Its today unpopularity is more an effect that it resides in the Shadow of PLEX which are far more improtant in its overall use today. There is no need to hold to the idea it has today. I like the general direction of the Idea and Plan. So I appreciate the step no matter what you decide in the end. It can feel more or less clumsy ;) But it is all a matter of Definition, not procedure.
DiDDleR Skunkdogz Corporation 24	Posted - 2017.05.03 12:47:36 - [540] - Quote Roan Pico wrote: Ok, lets have a look at this: * CCP gave 300 free AUR to everyone on christmas * People being smarter than CCP farmed this with quadrillions of alt accounts * CCP now got aware of their stupidity, is concerned this 300 AUR per account could kill PLEX price and steals every AUR below 1000 AUR - even those paid with real money Here is how a stupid like me would solve this: * remove 300 AUR from all accounts that received 300 AUR on christmas * convert all remaining AUR >0 But im just an uneducated Hillbilly. @ returning players: special "welcome back" offer coming soon just for you: 12 PLEX for only 6b ISK via private contract. No trade window ! Get it while its hot ! Send mail to order. They only gave 300 AUR to subbed accounts...

Vladimir Stolichnaya Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.05.06 18:29:14 - [541] - Quote A quote from the recent Dev Patch notes for the 119.5 release coming on May 9th. " PLEX can no longer be used for Character transfer fee payments " Something that, mmm, oddly enough was NOT mentioned in either of the Dev blogs about the PLEX changes. Way to go CCPVague So are we no longer going to be able to use ISK for this ? Or is some new item going to be added in the store like Character transfer cost = 1000 PLEX ? If Character transfers become a Real world money only type of transaction. You might as well just delete the Character Bazaar section, because you would be killing it anyways.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 33200	Posted - 2017.05.08 17:41:05 - [542] - Quote I remember the old icon for PLEX, that with visible photo and CONCORD on the gold backgroud. You should make it a legacy item and give everyone for christmas. Call it Pilot license and describe how every pilot in New Eden must have it at all times. ß¦çß¦áß¦ç-Ç-Å ß¦ÿß¦Ç-Çß¦¢ ß¦Å-ô ß¦Ç +óß¦Çß¦ìß¦ç -£ß¦ç-ƒß¦ÿs ß¦¢ß¦Å ß¦¢ß¦ç-ƒ-ƒ ß¦Ç sß¦¢ß¦Å-Ç-Å =ƒôò ß¦í-£ß¦ç-Çß¦ç +¬s ß¦Ç+¦+ó-Ç-Å ß¦äß¦Å+¦ß¦äß¦Å-Çß¦à +óß¦£-Å ß¦í-£ß¦ç+¦ -Åß¦Åß¦£ +¦ß¦çß¦çß¦à -£+¬ß¦ì ß¦Åsß¦ÿ-Çß¦ç-Å =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
oblivious Naskingar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2017.05.09 16:04:24 - [543] - Quote So logged on today to find the Plex changes, let me give you some feedback Changing my one big plex that I knew the value of both for services (game time etc.,) and on the market for a pile of chips that i need to stack into piles of 500 to do the things i want to do with them seems... oh what is the word i'm looking for... pointless? tedious? a huge drag, take your pick Considering all the things CCP could have appied its effort to like, oh i don't know all the current game glitches we experience for our 500 individual little chits of plex, maybe putting some effort into making corp and alliance role management easier (silly me perhaps that will need a translation as CCP doesn't seem to be able to deliver any changes to the game that aren't mindbending complicated to achieve very simple activity or actions) So go ahead mods delete my thread or tell my i'm flaming but i pay for my game time and i'm going to give you feedback like any customer and this is a thread about the things you've just changed to my game experience My advice, remember that for the driving force of players who actually bring content to this game its about PvP and although a lot of other stuff needs to happen to enable that to happen if you take your eye of the reason the majority of actual content generators log is for PvP then you will succeed in turning internet space ship wars into a space mining simulator with tedious trading on the side
Moridunum Kanjus The Graduates The Initiative. 26	Posted - 2017.05.09 19:00:11 - [544] - Quote So the changes to plex and removing aurum is generally a good move. But why would anyone want an advertisement for plex in their inventory? Please let us remove the plex vault from the inventory window. I pay a sub, I don't want to have plex pushed in my face whenever I play. The plex icon is hideous as well, really naff and cheap, at least put some effort into the design so it actually looks eve like and not something ripped from a f2p mobile game....
Marcus Tedric Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation 122	Posted - 2017.05.09 19:38:25 - [545] - Quote It may have been covered..... You can no longer 'Deliver' PLEX to a Corp Member from the Corp Delivery Assets ( - don't see why not).... It now gives you a single 'Move to PLEX Vault' option - which doesn't work. Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Mokada Akiga Bah Weep Grah Na Weep Mini Bahm 4	Posted - 2017.05.09 20:00:32 - [546] - Quote CCP has screwed us on the pricing of plex. 1 plex = 500 with is 19.99 220 for 9.99 110 for 4.99 notice each is half the other but you do NOT get half the plex, pure scam from CCP. CCP are the SCAM Artists. They need to be banned from the game. On the other hand 39.99 will net you 880 plex, double the cost, not the plex. 99.99 you get 2200 5x the cost of 1 and you dont get 5x the plex. And before anyone says well you get bonus plex, how long do you think they will keep that in play? I give it 1 week at best like any other sale. CCP if screwing us over without lube. ***** us up the ass on the cost of plex. I predicted this would happen and sure as ** it has.
Alexis Red Red Corporation 15	Posted - 2017.05.10 14:42:56 - [547] - Quote First Step towards shorter game time subs, yet more costly overall to play as Omega.... still a good move to push the game forward, as old players need to support change to help profitability or leave the game.
Cearain Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing 1515	Posted - 2017.05.10 18:59:47 - [548] - Quote Marcus Tedric wrote: It may have been covered..... You can no longer 'Deliver' PLEX to a Corp Member from the Corp Delivery Assets ( - don't see why not).... It now gives you a single 'Move to PLEX Vault' option - which doesn't work. Yeah at first it said it wasn't yours when it was in the corp assets. So I contracted them all to a character and now I right click and say transfer to vault and nothing happens. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Captain Tardbar Hentogaira Miners Alliance 1185	Posted - 2017.05.10 19:27:27 - [549] - Quote Could you change the game time to something other than 30 days? 24 hours? 7 days? 10 days? I mean you have the ability to micro it? I don't play all 30 days, so why grind or pay for it? Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people? Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
Sagara Mithril Cro-Magnons Cavemen. 5	Posted - 2017.05.11 15:43:17 - [550] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Could you change the game time to something other than 30 days? 24 hours? 7 days? 10 days? I mean you have the ability to micro it? I don't play all 30 days, so why grind or pay for it? I thought the whole point of breaking the Plex into 500 parts was for people have easier access to activate hours of Omega State, which i was so freaking excited when they announced this new Plex method.... and... now i hear that you can't activate less than 30 days at a time? really?

Marcus Tedric Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation 123	Posted - 2017.05.11 15:58:57 - [551] - Quote Sagara Mithril wrote: I thought the whole point of breaking the Plex into 500 parts was for people have easier access to activate hours of Omega State, which i was so freaking excited when they announced this new Plex method.... and... now i hear that you can't activate less than 30 days at a time? really? Yes - because that was never intended nor planned.... This is a subscription-based game and every account requires an actual, or the equivalent, expenditure of that 'sub'. What we now have is no Aurum - and just a single currency - that can be much more easily transferred (well, when the bugs are ironed out!) Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Ikit Thanquol Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.05.11 16:46:50 - [552] - Quote value reduced by 99.8% function completely changed yet the "Pilot license extension" name remains even tho this is clearly a new type of item they sell them in weird stack sizes cheaply without mention of the fact that you now need 500 where have i seen this before... oh that's right! the jita scam chat! scamming in jita may be bad but nobody beats CCP at their own game
Mokada Akiga Bah Weep Grah Na Weep Mini Bahm 5	Posted - 2017.05.11 22:18:56 - [553] - Quote Alexis Red wrote: First Step towards shorter game time subs, yet more costly overall to play as Omega.... still a good move to push the game forward, as old players need to support change to help profitability or leave the game. How can screwing over those that pay to play or buy plex to help keep them going or get stuff faster be a good thing?
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3989	Posted - 2017.05.11 22:29:16 - [554] - Quote Mokada Akiga wrote: How can screwing over those that pay to play or buy plex to help keep them going or get stuff faster be a good thing? They haven't. Plex cost the same as before, and CCP ahve said they have no plans to allow shorter than 30 day Subs even with plex. (obviously atm so in a few years who knows but given how abusable it is likely no plans then either) People are just failing at literacy and numeracy.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6705	Posted - 2017.05.12 00:51:16 - [555] - Quote Sagara Mithril wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: Could you change the game time to something other than 30 days? 24 hours? 7 days? 10 days? I mean you have the ability to micro it? I don't play all 30 days, so why grind or pay for it? I thought the whole point of breaking the Plex into 500 parts was for people have easier access to activate hours of Omega State, which i was so freaking excited when they announced this new Plex method.... and... now i hear that you can't activate less than 30 days at a time? really? There was a faq entry that explicitly stated they weren't going to. It doesn't make economic sense for CCP to do this. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Mokada Akiga Bah Weep Grah Na Weep Mini Bahm 5	Posted - 2017.05.12 02:52:33 - [556] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Mokada Akiga wrote: How can screwing over those that pay to play or buy plex to help keep them going or get stuff faster be a good thing? They haven't. Plex cost the same as before, and CCP ahve said they have no plans to allow shorter than 30 day Subs even with plex. (obviously atm so in a few years who knows but given how abusable it is likely no plans then either) People are just failing at literacy and numeracy. Say that when the "free" or "bonus" plex goes away fro the offers. Before 20=1 plex=500plex which is 440+"bonus/free"60 for 20. When it stops and it will, it will no longer be the same cost, you WILL have to spend more to get the same.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6710	Posted - 2017.05.12 12:08:36 - [557] - Quote Mokada Akiga wrote: Say that when the "free" or "bonus" plex goes away fro the offers. Before 20=1 plex=500plex which is 440+"bonus/free"60 for 20. When it stops and it will, it will no longer be the same cost, you WILL have to spend more to get the same. If, rather than When. The extra is compared to the base of 110 for $5. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1361	Posted - 2017.05.13 01:31:38 - [558] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Sagara Mithril wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: Could you change the game time to something other than 30 days? 24 hours? 7 days? 10 days? I mean you have the ability to micro it? I don't play all 30 days, so why grind or pay for it? I thought the whole point of breaking the Plex into 500 parts was for people have easier access to activate hours of Omega State, which i was so freaking excited when they announced this new Plex method.... and... now i hear that you can't activate less than 30 days at a time? really? There was a faq entry that explicitly stated they weren't going to. It doesn't make economic sense for CCP to do this. It could actually benefit CCP to have less than 1 month subs using plex. Subbing an account with plex costs more than "add game time" but if you don't have a month to play, subbing for the time you can makes sense. If CCP were to add say 4 days game time for 110 plex - 10 days for 220 plex it could encourage casual players (weekend warriors) and those who can't commit to a month at a time due to RL or financial restrictions. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Perry Platterpus Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.05.13 10:47:18 - [559] - Quote so I plexed last night (put 500 plex in my vault and bought 30 dayws game time) I cant find anywhere on my character sheet that says when game time expires on my login screen it still says 5 days game time remaining /.... what am i doing wrong where am i supposed to see these things?
Naye Nathaniel Cobra INC Slightly Sexual 81	Posted - 2017.05.13 20:21:00 - [560] - Quote Where can i ***** about "plex price game by ccp"? can;t find a good thread or all been closing all day long :( and i really want to write about my frustration with the "plex" price changes with the new update... as it sky rocket to 1.3b per 30d of gameplay time :) THANK YOU CCP :) you know how to ruin my wallet! screws..

Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1362	Posted - 2017.05.13 23:56:47 - [561] - Quote Perry Platterpus wrote: so I plexed last night (put 500 plex in my vault and bought 30 days game time) I cant find anywhere on my character sheet that says when game time expires on my login screen it still says 5 days game time remaining /.... what am i doing wrong where am i supposed to see these things? Log in to account management my friend, it is the ONLY way to see exactly when your current sub expires. CCP in their wisdom have never deemed it necessary for a player to see or interact with this information ingame. Sadly the pilot license section of the character sheet remains all but useless having been duplicated by the all new (and intrusive) CCP advertising medium known as, PLEX vault. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
KanashiiKami 120	Posted - 2017.05.14 08:06:38 - [562] - Quote hello CCP(s) i tried to understand the "add plex" panel but i think it is confusing ... could you guys update the buttons to read "ADD plex to game time" ? instead of BUY PLEX? ... there are 3 things i could click ... and they dont make sense ... the description "ADD TIME TO GAME" is missing from 1 of them ... the PURCHASE button, should read "BUY NEW PLEX" ... it is like everything is missing half the proper description ... WUT ???
Naye Nathaniel COBRA INC Slightly Sexual 81	Posted - 2017.05.16 14:07:56 - [563] - Quote So the true reason of dividing "plex" into smaller parts where to bring noobish player to nullsec for easy prey? https://gyazo.com/2cdc94ae5b54fc135aa748dd6217ae5c
Steijn Quay Industries 1104	Posted - 2017.05.16 15:06:46 - [564] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: Where can i *** about "plex price game by ccp"? can;t find a good thread or all been closing all day long :( and i really want to write about my frustration with the "plex" price changes with the new update... as it sky rocket to 1.3b per 30d of gameplay time :) THANK YOU CCP :) you know how to ruin my wallet! screws.. For me they didnt ruin my wallet, they just removed a player from their game. Plex above a certain level just isnt worth it personally so when my current time added via the Plex from Aurum expires, i'll be gone again. I was a player that had something like 6 years continuos sub, but stupid mechanic/game changes over the past 2 years made me completely lose interest. So for all those that say vets never leave as they have you by the short and curlies once addicted, let me tell you that pss a player off enough with stupid changes and they will go for good.
Timcanpy Yvormes Omni Galactic Central Omni Galactic Group 2	Posted - 2017.05.17 13:19:37 - [565] - Quote If the plex it's in a citadel it's not possible to move the plex to the vault?
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3994	Posted - 2017.05.17 20:23:59 - [566] - Quote Steijn wrote: For me they didnt ruin my wallet, they just removed a player from their game. Plex above a certain level just isnt worth it personally so when my current time added via the Plex from Aurum expires, i'll be gone again. I was a player that had something like 6 years continuos sub, but stupid mechanic/game changes over the past 2 years made me completely lose interest. So for all those that say vets never leave as they have you by the short and curlies once addicted, let me tell you that pss a player off enough with stupid changes and they will** go for good. Except CCP don't & never have controlled the in game isk price for plex. That is player controlled, so you are putting blame on entirely the wrong people.
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1364	Posted - 2017.05.18 03:19:07 - [567] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Steijn wrote: For me they didnt ruin my wallet, they just removed a player from their game. Plex above a certain level just isnt worth it personally so when my current time added via the Plex from Aurum expires, i'll be gone again. I was a player that had something like 6 years continuos sub, but stupid mechanic/game changes over the past 2 years made me completely lose interest. So for all those that say vets never leave as they have you by the short and curlies once addicted, let me tell you that pss a player off enough with stupid changes and they will** go for good. Except CCP don't & never have controlled the in game isk price for plex. That is player controlled, so you are putting blame on entirely the wrong people. Nevyn; Are you REALLY that naive? What do you think "plex sale" is about? Or should I say "used to be" about. History shows, whenever plex prices reached a critical high CCP would have a plex sale. With plex currently at 1.44 bil (1.41 buy order) for 30 days game time, CCP need to start looking at ways to fix it and fast. 200 mil isk increase over 3 days is not good for the Eve economy and its player base. I'm pretty sure they will let this price hike run for a while to see if the market / player population can sustain it, problem is, many of those who let subs lapse due to the high price of plex combined with the many game play issues, just won't come back. Injectors and extractors have been hit by this change too, a reasonable SP farming character produces 3 injectors per month. This used to be enough to plex the account and make a moderate profit. Now it just can't be done, extractors have gone up, as did injectors but not enough to cover the cost of a plex. 380 mil (profit per injector) X 3 leaves you around 300 mil shy of purchasing the 500 plex needed, forget any sort of profit. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 795	Posted - 2017.05.18 07:09:52 - [568] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: Steijn wrote: For me they didnt ruin my wallet, they just removed a player from their game. Plex above a certain level just isnt worth it personally so when my current time added via the Plex from Aurum expires, i'll be gone again. I was a player that had something like 6 years continuos sub, but stupid mechanic/game changes over the past 2 years made me completely lose interest. So for all those that say vets never leave as they have you by the short and curlies once addicted, let me tell you that pss a player off enough with stupid changes and they will** go for good. Except CCP don't & never have controlled the in game isk price for plex. That is player controlled, so you are putting blame on entirely the wrong people. Nevyn; Are you REALLY that naive? What do you think "plex sale" is about? Or should I say "used to be" about. History shows, whenever plex prices reached a critical high CCP would have a plex sale. With plex currently at 1.44 bil (1.41 buy order) for 30 days game time, CCP need to start looking at ways to fix it and fast. 200 mil isk increase over 3 days is not good for the Eve economy and its player base. I'm pretty sure they will let this price hike run for a while to see if the market / player population can sustain it, problem is, many of those who let subs lapse due to the high price of plex combined with the many game play issues, just won't come back. Injectors and extractors have been hit by this change too, a reasonable SP farming character produces 3 injectors per month. This used to be enough to plex the account and make a moderate profit. Now it just can't be done, extractors have gone up, as did injectors but not enough to cover the cost of a plex. 380 mil (profit per injector) X 3 leaves you around 300 mil shy of purchasing the 500 plex needed, forget any sort of profit. Why CCP need to start looking? It was expected that splitting PLEX into chunks will increase it's price. What CCP should do exactly? Educate ppl? "Minerals that I mine I free"? "Multiplication by 500 is hard?" In general I find most of homo sapiens sapiens stupid - 1 250 000 000 PLEX "that's too much CCP", 3 000 000 PLEX "well ok, and look how many new ships skins I can afford now...". PLEX will rise above 3 000 000 and will stay there. I don't think AURUM conversion hurt market as much as predicted. "I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1364	Posted - 2017.05.18 11:46:12 - [569] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: Steijn wrote: For me they didnt ruin my wallet, they just removed a player from their game. Plex above a certain level just isnt worth it personally so when my current time added via the Plex from Aurum expires, i'll be gone again. I was a player that had something like 6 years continuos sub, but stupid mechanic/game changes over the past 2 years made me completely lose interest. So for all those that say vets never leave as they have you by the short and curlies once addicted, let me tell you that pss a player off enough with stupid changes and they will** go for good. Except CCP don't & never have controlled the in game isk price for plex. That is player controlled, so you are putting blame on entirely the wrong people. Nevyn; Are you REALLY that naive? What do you think "plex sale" is about? Or should I say "used to be" about. History shows, whenever plex prices reached a critical high CCP would have a plex sale. With plex currently at 1.44 bil (1.41 buy order) for 30 days game time, CCP need to start looking at ways to fix it and fast. 200 mil isk increase over 3 days is not good for the Eve economy and its player base. I'm pretty sure they will let this price hike run for a while to see if the market / player population can sustain it, problem is, many of those who let subs lapse due to the high price of plex combined with the many game play issues, just won't come back. Injectors and extractors have been hit by this change too, a reasonable SP farming character produces 3 injectors per month. This used to be enough to plex the account and make a moderate profit. Now it just can't be done, extractors have gone up, as did injectors but not enough to cover the cost of a plex. 380 mil (profit per injector) X 3 leaves you around 300 mil shy of purchasing the 500 plex needed, forget any sort of profit. Why CCP need to start looking? It was expected that splitting PLEX into chunks will increase it's price. What CCP should do exactly? Educate ppl? "Minerals that I mine I free"? "Multiplication by 500 is hard?" In general I find most of homo sapiens sapiens stupid - 1 250 000 000 PLEX "that's too much CCP", 3 000 000 PLEX "well ok, and look how many new ships skins I can afford now...". PLEX will rise above 3 000 000 and will stay there. I don't think AURUM conversion hurt market as much as predicted. If that is how it goes, a single plex hits 3 mil isk - Expect to see online numbers plummet to all time lows. I for one have 2 accounts expiring in less than a week - I can't/won't spend nearly 1.5 bil for a plex so will end up with another 2 Alpha clone state characters, making 7 out of 11 accounts - Unsubbed. I was talking to 2 of my alliance mates earlier - Between them 12 accounts went dead today, one has another 3 that expire in less than a week. This is just three players who all ran multiple accounts by farming SP - Which adds up to a small loss to CCP initially but grows to a larger loss as many other sp farmers realize it is now a lose lose situation and let those subs drop. With "period average" as low as it is (which now includes alpha's), can CCP sustain the loss of paying customers by allowing plex prices to rise like they are? Funny thing is, I think you have it a little backward - Plex prices go up - Less sales in the NES. High plex prices won't encourage players to spend it in the NES, it will do exactly the opposite. CCp has worked hard over the last couple of years to keep plex prices fairly stable, I can't believe they are happy about the prospect of losing more players due to the price hike.. CCP needs to have a massive plex sale and soon before too much damage is done. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 795	Posted - 2017.05.18 12:44:26 - [570] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: If that is how it goes, a single plex hits 3 mil isk - Expect to see online numbers plummet to all time lows. I for one have 2 accounts expiring in less than a week - I can't/won't spend nearly 1.5 bil for a plex so will end up with another 2 Alpha clone state characters, making 7 out of 11 accounts - Unsubbed. I was talking to 2 of my alliance mates earlier - Between them 12 accounts went dead today, one has another 3 that expire in less than a week. This is just three players who all ran multiple accounts by farming SP - Which adds up to a small loss to CCP initially but grows to a larger loss as many other sp farmers realize it is now a lose lose situation and let those subs drop. With "period average" as low as it is (which now includes alpha's), can CCP sustain the loss of paying customers by allowing plex prices to rise like they are? Funny thing is, I think you have it a little backward - Plex prices go up - Less sales in the NES. High plex prices won't encourage players to spend it in the NES, it will do exactly the opposite. CCp has worked hard over the last couple of years to keep plex prices fairly stable, I can't believe they are happy about the prospect of losing more players due to the price hike.. CCP needs to have a massive plex sale and soon before too much damage is done. Good times for ppl selling PLEX - income for CCP. PLEX is still underpriced. I can easily PLEX my account by casually playing. PLEX chunks is more attractive in NES than AURUM - psychology. Ppl more willingly spend 3mil than 1,5bil. I don't care for alts accounts, multiboxers, SP farms. CCP only let SP farms because they are earning money on extractors. "I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Marcus Tedric Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation 127	Posted - 2017.05.18 14:06:04 - [571] - Quote Such silly comments... With so much isk flowing into the game every month, PLEX will continue to rise forever. In this respect EVE is simply a hypre-inflationary model. Yes, there will be some peaks and troughs, but the system will always sort itself out. PLEX rise => less HS miners => Ore/Mins increase => more HS miners => PLEX rise...etc. Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1364	Posted - 2017.05.18 22:26:45 - [572] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: If that is how it goes, a single plex hits 3 mil isk - Expect to see online numbers plummet to all time lows. I for one have 2 accounts expiring in less than a week - I can't/won't spend nearly 1.5 bil for a plex so will end up with another 2 Alpha clone state characters, making 7 out of 11 accounts - Unsubbed. I was talking to 2 of my alliance mates earlier - Between them 12 accounts went dead today, one has another 3 that expire in less than a week. This is just three players who all ran multiple accounts by farming SP - Which adds up to a small loss to CCP initially but grows to a larger loss as many other sp farmers realize it is now a lose lose situation and let those subs drop. With "period average" as low as it is (which now includes alpha's), can CCP sustain the loss of paying customers by allowing plex prices to rise like they are? Funny thing is, I think you have it a little backward - Plex prices go up - Less sales in the NES. High plex prices won't encourage players to spend it in the NES, it will do exactly the opposite. CCp has worked hard over the last couple of years to keep plex prices fairly stable, I can't believe they are happy about the prospect of losing more players due to the price hike.. CCP needs to have a massive plex sale and soon before too much damage is done. Good times for ppl selling PLEX - income for CCP. PLEX is still underpriced. I can easily PLEX my account by casually playing. PLEX chunks is more attractive in NES than AURUM - psychology. Ppl more willingly spend 3mil than 1,5bil. I don't care for alts accounts, multiboxers, SP farms. CCP only let SP farms because they are earning money on extractors. Seriously do you NOT understand how plex now works? No it's not good times for people selling plex - Literally thousands of players with alts (which by the way generate a lot of income for CCP) are letting subs lapse = NOT buying plex = Loss of income for CCP.,. Yes CCP allows SP farms to keep players buying plex and therefore making money BUT what happens when those plex farms are no longer buying plex because SP farms are not profitable? Loss of income for CCP.,. You are NEVER spending 3 mil isk in the nes store, the cheapest item I've seen is 100 plex or 300 mil isk and it only goes up from there. Oh look, just discovered a heap of cheap skins @ 55 plex, so only 165 mil. I think that is a LONG way from 3 mil, math is hard. Sure plexing a single account is still pretty easy, after all it is only one account and an extra 3 or 4 hours of ratting/mining/mission running per month. I'm afraid though that as a single account holder you're in the minority when it comes to playing Eve. Whether you like players with multiple accounts means nothing - CCP like (and need) them. Right now there are 27K players online, I would bet at least a quarter (roughly 6.5K) of those are alts maybe more when you consider the guys running 10 or more accounts. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Marcus Tedric Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation 128	Posted - 2017.05.19 12:47:26 - [573] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Seriously do you NOT understand how plex now works? No it's not good times for people selling plex - Literally thousands of players with alts (which by the way generate a lot of income for CCP) are letting subs lapse = NOT buying plex = Loss of income for CCP.,.................... Actually, I think it is you who don't understand! If all the 'alts' stop buying PLEX (in game) - then the price of PLEX will fall - and then they'll come back again. At present, however, it IS good for CCP - for people are buying PLEX (from CCP, et al) and selling them in game..... Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Aischa Montagne Blut-Klauen-Clan 19	Posted - 2017.05.21 16:20:11 - [574] - Quote There can be 2 reasons for High Plex Price: 1) Market is overheated, and current players have enough Money to pay a high Price. 2) Market is on Plex shortage. 2. Can mean 2 things. a) some(one/ group) is buying plex. b) a lot of people want to buy Plex. Maybe the request for Plex have been raised by all the Alpha players wo want to have an Omega upgrade. And if they are willing to pay the price its okay.
March rabbit Mosquito squadron The-Culture 2180	Posted - 2017.05.21 18:10:17 - [575] - Quote Aischa Montagne wrote: Maybe the request for Plex have been raised by all the Alpha players wo want to have an Omega upgrade. It's very unlikely: - CCP rarely does what players ask for - only very dumb person will want for PLEX (real PLEX which can buy 30 days of Omega) to be more expensive. And this is what happened as result of introduction of new gold. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Naye Nathaniel Cobra INC Slightly Sexual 81	Posted - 2017.05.21 19:04:11 - [576] - Quote Funny as the price start to rise when one of the CSM didnt keep his mouth shout and start to speak about "mini plexes" - after that price keep rising, and rising and can't stop.
Julien Brellier Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 150	Posted - 2017.05.23 17:25:59 - [577] - Quote Inability to remotely move physical plex to vault means no more remote plex activation GG CCP
Marcus Tedric Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation 130	Posted - 2017.05.24 10:41:17 - [578] - Quote Julien Brellier wrote: Inability to remotely move physical plex to vault means no more remote plex activation... Actually, I found out yesterday that whilst - right-click 'Move to PLEX Vault' doesn't work...... You can, surprisingly, 'drag' them from 'Personal Assets' to the PLEX Vault window - but! Only from Stations, not Structures! Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Cameron i Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 0	Posted - 2017.05.25 16:29:36 - [579] - Quote Marcus Tedric wrote: Julien Brellier wrote: Inability to remotely move physical plex to vault means no more remote plex activation... Actually, I found out yesterday that whilst - right-click 'Move to PLEX Vault' doesn't work...... You can, surprisingly, 'drag' them from 'Personal Assets' to the PLEX Vault window - but! Only from Stations, not Structures! Doesn't work for me, any ETA on a fix for this?
Shinji Katsuragi Y.G.G.D.R.A.S.I.L. Branch 7	Posted - 2017.05.27 21:37:25 - [580] - Quote Cameron i wrote: Marcus Tedric wrote: Julien Brellier wrote: Inability to remotely move physical plex to vault means no more remote plex activation... Actually, I found out yesterday that whilst - right-click 'Move to PLEX Vault' doesn't work...... You can, surprisingly, 'drag' them from 'Personal Assets' to the PLEX Vault window - but! Only from Stations, not Structures! Doesn't work for me, any ETA on a fix for this? Same here :(

JFKen Imperia Beyond Frontier Pandemic Horde 34	Posted - 2017.06.01 12:16:06 - [581] - Quote Same bug, can't remotely move PLEXous from citadel. Try to log off / log in back 3 times, no effect.... Oh, and the toon can't travel to the PLEXous location from where is he atm
Sylvia Kildare Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 75	Posted - 2017.06.14 02:20:23 - [582] - Quote Aischa Montagne wrote: There can be 2 reasons for High Plex Price: 1) Market is overheated, and current players have enough Money to pay a high Price. 2) Market is on Plex shortage. 2. Can mean 2 things. a) some(one/ group) is buying plex. b) a lot of people want to buy Plex. Maybe the request for Plex have been raised by all the Alpha players wo want to have an Omega upgrade. And if they are willing to pay the price its okay. All those bounties from nullsec ratting and rorqual mining = lots of people with more cash coming in per month than usual = don't care how much they spend on plex, they're suuuuper rich = plex prices spiking. Won't keep going forever now that CCP is screwing with carriers/supercarriers/rorquals so much. Sell sell sell yer plex now, will be going back down.


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