Originally by: Turin Shroud

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IBTP

(in before the post)

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Originally by: Pilk

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Coming Soon (tm)

(writing/researching now....)

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Originally by: Asylum Seaker

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17.8 Mil damage done, 15 mil lost? More **** than that goes down every time I jump through a gate. Go fight a real war.

Originally by: MeanG

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Yeah GF all. Was lag free for me.

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Originally by: Queen News

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What I dont understand is if I read this correct, MC, Y, Axe have been attacking POS's all day long. So its not like D2 didnt already know what they had. D2 is larger than all those alliances put together, then add on Sparta and Freelancer how is it they didnt get a much larger capital fleet together and due this properly instead of jumping in and losing 17 capital ships.

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Originally by: Mynas Atoch

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Originally by: Queen News

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What I dont understand is if I read this correct, MC, Y, Axe have been attacking POS's all day long. So its not like D2 didnt already know what they had. D2 is larger than all those alliances put together, then add on Sparta and Freelancer how is it they didnt get a much larger capital fleet together and due this properly instead of jumping in and losing 17 capital ships.

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They DID have a much larger capital fleet. And Iron were there too. And D2 had the only Titan on the field which was used very effectively and took out lots and lots of fighters. And they had a support fleet four or more times our size. The major mistake they made was calling me primary. Once I was down and had warped out someone competent was able to take over. Ha! They didn't expect THAT!

Myn

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Originally by: Turin Shroud

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2nd largest losses ever?

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Originally by: GreatNick

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How can you say you fought outnumbered when you killed all 17 of d2 and co capitals, but show on the killmails over 20 MC and co capitals kill the capitals. I heard there were at least 24 MC and co capitals there to take on the 17 D2 and co ones, so why did you post you were outnumbered?

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Originally by: gordon cain

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Only D2 can loose that much and still come back to fight next day.

gordon cain

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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg

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The fight sounded about as boring as a POS take down.

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Originally by: Mynas Atoch

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Originally by: Queen News

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What I dont understand is if I read this correct, MC, Y, Axe have been attacking POS's all day long. So its not like D2 didnt already know what they had. D2 is larger than all those alliances put together, then add on Sparta and Freelancer how is it they didnt get a much larger capital fleet together and due this properly instead of jumping in and losing 17 capital ships.

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They DID have a much larger capital fleet. And Iron were there too. And D2 had the only Titan on the field which was used very effectively and took out lots and lots of fighters. And they had a support fleet four or more times our size. The major mistake they made was calling me primary. Once I was down and had warped out someone competent was able to take over. Ha! They didn't expect THAT!

Myn

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Originally by: GreatNick

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How can you say you fought outnumbered when you killed all 17 of d2 and co capitals, but show on the killmails over 20 MC and co capitals kill the capitals. I heard there were at least 24 MC and co capitals there to take on the 17 D2 and co ones, so why did you post you were outnumbered?

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Originally by: GreatNick

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How can you say you fought outnumbered when you killed all 17 of d2 and co capitals, but show on the killmails over 20 MC and co capitals kill the capitals. I heard there were at least 24 MC and co capitals there to take on the 17 D2 and co ones, so why did you post you were outnumbered?

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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg

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Man, glad to see all the D2/IRON input.

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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg

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Man, glad to see all the D2/IRON input.

Thankfully, I can trust every word uttered by an MC pilot, cause..ya know, they're mercenaries.

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Originally by: GreatNick

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No capitals on the d2 side cynoed out, their entire fleet was destroyed by a much larger MC capital fleet. It is a shame, I have many good friends in d2 and sparta who lost dreads.

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Well #'s are simple. You guys killed 17 capitals, none cynoed out. If you check killmails, 24 different MC and company capitals shot and killed the 17 enemy capitals. So right off the bat, just via who was included on killmails you see the larger amount.
I bolded the fact that MC had more capitals because it is true, and it is a shame MC posted they were fighting against a larger fleet when in fact it was not true.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Tonight while destroying a D2 POS in C4C the MC/-Y-/Axe capital gang was jumped on by a larger D2/Sparta/FLA capital fleet.

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Quote:

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Waagaa: "Oops, I lied."
Seleene: "Oh, by the way, hi to our TeamSpeak spy!"

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Originally by: Pilk

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And I'm certain at least one of the enemy caps cyno'd out. Give me a few moments and I'll get you a name or two.

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Well #'s are simple. You guys killed 17 capitals, none cynoed out. If you check killmails, 24 different MC and company capitals shot and killed the 17 enemy capitals. So right off the bat, just via who was included on killmails you see the larger amount.
I bolded the fact that MC had more capitals because it is true, and it is a shame MC posted they were fighting against a larger fleet when in fact it was not true.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Tonight while destroying a D2 POS in C4C the MC/-Y-/Axe capital gang was jumped on by a larger D2/Sparta/FLA capital fleet.

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We were jumped by a larger fleet. We then called in our reinforcements, which might have swung the numbers war back in our favor, I'm honestly not sure. Regardless, they had a Titan, and we didn't, so they were winning in the "tonnage" category.

And I'm certain at least one of the enemy caps cyno'd out. Give me a few moments and I'll get you a name or two.

--P

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Edited by: GreatNick on 03/05/2007 07:48:41
To say you were jumped by a larger capital group, when you had half of your capitals which outnumber the enemy group are ready to warp to POS, is not an accurate assetment.
You baited the D2 capitals in, and brought your remaining fleet in for the kill. Good strategy, and I see no issue with that, but at no point should you guys act like you were outnumbered. Having 7 more capitals is not a distinct advantage, especially since a Titan cannot even hurt a capital.

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Originally by: Frygok

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Also, in my naive world I actually thought that MC relied on their own skills and teamwork, not on TS spies. This is not meant as a flame, but that has been my view on you guys. But I guess in todays warfare, everybody uses it.

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Originally by: Frygok

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It doesn't really, but it sounds like in the report that you fought against heavy odds and through pure skillz 'n stuff came out on top, you know, the "This is Sparta" way.

Also, in my naive world I actually thought that MC relied on their own skills and teamwork, not on TS spies. This is not meant as a flame, but that has been my view on you guys. But I guess in todays warfare, everybody uses it.

Anyway, nice to see some action going on up there.

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Originally by: Frygok

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Aha, my sincere apologies then!

It's either me being a wee bit tired(it's early!), or it's written a bit strangely!

Even more respect to you guys then!

Again, my apologies.

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Originally by: omeega

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PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Originally by: Chewan Mesa

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Nice to see D2 jumped in, and congrats on a rather lagless fight.

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I know 5 of the D2 dreads got lagged out of game after the DD blast, and the rest of the fleet had a minute of nothing before game came back. Not sure if MC was affected as badly, it was when d2 lost the 5 dreads to the lag when the battle turned over to the MC side.

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Originally by: Hast

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are you an alt of someone in D2?

because from the sound of you, its sounds like you lost 17 capitals

now stop whining and arguing semantics

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Originally by: Hast

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are you an alt of someone in D2?

because from the sound of you, its sounds like you lost 17 capitals

now stop whining and arguing semantics

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Quote:

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Waagaa: "Oops, I lied."
Seleene: "Oh, by the way, hi to our TeamSpeak spy!"

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Originally by: Centauris

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Originally by: gordon cain

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Only D2 can loose that much and still come back to fight next day.

gordon cain

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You said it mate

D2 brung it and may have come off 2nd best (this time ) But shows further more that D2 is in NO WAY "dead" nor giving up in the north.

Nice job D2, Lub you guys

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Originally by: Irongut

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Edited by: Irongut on 03/05/2007 10:25:20

Sounds like a fun and productive night.

Originally by: Centauris

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Originally by: gordon cain

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Only D2 can loose that much and still come back to fight next day.

gordon cain

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You said it mate

D2 brung it and may have come off 2nd best (this time ) But shows further more that D2 is in NO WAY "dead" nor giving up in the north.

Nice job D2, Lub you guys

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Yeah coz like they didn't want that capital fleet anyway. No matter how much you guys try to spin the North must be hurting after this level of losses.

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Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam

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Really dude, why do you bother? We all know your BoB history and every time you post on these forums all you do is spitting all over the place and acting like many of the BoB members before the forum silence.

It seems you're still on BoB's side. They chose forum silence. You want to do them a favor? Start behaving like they do, but until that we have here the raw BoB member at its best forum whoring.

It was a nice fight with losers and winners. Some have facts to discuss and share, but all you do is barking...

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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You do nothing then troll all day, and you say others do nothing else then bark? Barking dogs never bite, and that's RAZOR for you.

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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Originally by: Irongut

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Edited by: Irongut on 03/05/2007 10:25:20

Sounds like a fun and productive night.

Originally by: Centauris

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Originally by: gordon cain

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Only D2 can loose that much and still come back to fight next day.

gordon cain

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You said it mate

D2 brung it and may have come off 2nd best (this time ) But shows further more that D2 is in NO WAY "dead" nor giving up in the north.

Nice job D2, Lub you guys

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Yeah coz like they didn't want that capital fleet anyway. No matter how much you guys try to spin the North must be hurting after this level of losses.

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Do you dont have something else then "didnt want it anyway" thing, its gettin anoying and boirng, in every thread you turn up with that sentence. Just get something else or go mine in bob space.

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Originally by: Fred0

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@ alts talking about bark and bite.

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Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam

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Originally by: Hast

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are you an alt of someone in D2?

because from the sound of you, its sounds like you lost 17 capitals

now stop whining and arguing semantics

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Really dude, why do you bother? We all know your BoB history and every time you post on these forums all you do is spitting all over the place...

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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1) Pilk says "we" as if Axe did any of the work.

2) This is why MC look like lapdogs to me, they call themselves "mercenaries" but all they do is the bidding of 1 alliance. They're so busy doing it they're not even accepting contracts anymore.

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Originally by: GreatNick

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How can you say you fought outnumbered when you killed all 17 of d2 and co capitals, but show on the killmails over 20 MC and co capitals kill the capitals. I heard there were at least 24 MC and co capitals there to take on the 17 D2 and co ones, so why did you post you were outnumbered?

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Originally by: GreatNick

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How can you say you fought outnumbered when you killed all 17 of d2 and co capitals, but show on the killmails over 20 MC and co capitals kill the capitals. I heard there were at least 24 MC and co capitals there to take on the 17 D2 and co ones, so why did you post you were outnumbered?

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam

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Really dude, why do you bother? We all know your BoB history and every time you post on these forums all you do is spitting all over the place and acting like many of the BoB members before the forum silence.

It seems you're still on BoB's side. They chose forum silence. You want to do them a favor? Start behaving like they do, but until that we have here the raw BoB member at its best forum whoring.

It was a nice fight with losers and winners. Some have facts to discuss and share, but all you do is barking...

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You do nothing then troll all day, and you say others do nothing else then bark? Barking dogs never bite, and that's RAZOR for you.

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Once again Selene you missed the point. You did not fight undernumbered, you had more capitals attacking than D2 and company. And local did not spike till the battle was nearly over the D2's support gang arrived 10 minutes late. I really could care less about D2 at this point, that is why I left the north, but at least get your numbers right in regards to the amount of capitals you used.

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Once again Selene you missed the point. You did not fight undernumbered, you had more capitals attacking than D2 and company. And local did not spike till the battle was nearly over the D2's support gang arrived 10 minutes late. I really could care less about D2 at this point, that is why I left the north, but at least get your numbers right in regards to the amount of capitals you used.

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Originally by: Seleene

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My side can estimate and post all day about this, but I am sure that most of us would like to see one of the D2 FC's who was there speak up and clarify things. What cap ships did they jump in with? What did they have left when the fight was over? Who was their support commander and what did they bring? What was their original plan? Was this a spur of the moment op or something alarm clocks were set for?

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Originally by: from Someone who was there

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We all fought very hard and thanks to everyone who came. The Numbers were even...

After the DD by our Titan. 6 dreads locked up to where they never got a rep in! Until then we had the advanatage.
All of there Phenoix's were down and Nag's They had no close range damage left. We had the upper hand. 3 Phoenix and 2 Moros never repped. Those were blaster moros and Caldari Dreads. We were 10K from them. If we were aloud to turn on our gun's I bet about 2 to three more mabye if the whole fleet might have gone down. Stuff happens and it is just a game. Guess what I think we all had fun again tongiht.

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Originally by: Phoenix Pryde

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lol at all you guys argueing about who had more numbers, next to the fact that it doesnt really matters all you d have to do is take a look at for example D2's killboard.
But to save you all that work i put my my nber maths skills to work and added them up

D2/IRON/RZR/Sparta: 1 Titan, 12 DNs, 5 CAs (and some small stuff)
AXE/MC/Y: 2 MS, 15 DNs, 9 CAs
The total involved numbers say 32:33 which looks pretty even :P

I guess some ppl might be missing due to truncated mails, etc ... but it cant be that far off

that said, entertaining read ..

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Originally by: Phoenix Pryde

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lol at all you guys argueing about who had more numbers, next to the fact that it doesnt really matters all you d have to do is take a look at for example D2's killboard.
But to save you all that work i put my my nber maths skills to work and added them up

D2/IRON/RZR/Sparta: 1 Titan, 12 DNs, 5 CAs (and some small stuff)
AXE/MC/Y: 2 MS, 15 DNs, 9 CAs
The total involved numbers say 32:33 which looks pretty even :P

I guess some ppl might be missing due to truncated mails, etc ... but it cant be that far off

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Once again Selene you missed the point. You did not fight undernumbered, you had more capitals attacking than D2 and company. And local did not spike till the battle was nearly over the D2's support gang arrived 10 minutes late. I really could care less about D2 at this point, that is why I left the north, but at least get your numbers right in regards to the amount of capitals you used.

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Edited by: GreatNick on 03/05/2007 13:07:29

Originally by: Phoenix Pryde

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lol at all you guys argueing about who had more numbers, next to the fact that it doesnt really matters all you d have to do is take a look at for example D2's killboard.
But to save you all that work i put my my nber maths skills to work and added them up

D2/IRON/RZR/Sparta: 1 Titan, 12 DNs, 5 CAs (and some small stuff)
AXE/MC/Y: 2 MS, 15 DNs, 9 CAs
The total involved numbers say 32:33 which looks pretty even :P

I guess some ppl might be missing due to truncated mails, etc ... but it cant be that far off

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Glad you took the time to show the numbers, 17 capitals all of which were lost by D2/Sparta and the 26 capitals of MC and company.

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Glad you took the time to show the numbers, 17 capitals all of which were lost by D2/Sparta and the 26 capitals of MC and company.

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Originally by: Sivona

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Originally by: Phoenix Pryde

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lol at all you guys argueing about who had more numbers, next to the fact that it doesnt really matters all you d have to do is take a look at for example D2's killboard.
But to save you all that work i put my my nber maths skills to work and added them up

D2/IRON/RZR/Sparta: 1 Titan, 12 DNs, 5 CAs (and some small stuff)
AXE/MC/Y: 2 MS, 15 DNs, 9 CAs
The total involved numbers say 32:33 which looks pretty even :P

I guess some ppl might be missing due to truncated mails, etc ... but it cant be that far off

that said, entertaining read ..

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D2 alone had 12 dreads - we knew about this group, it was the sparta/FLA group who we did not know about they were fielding at least 18-20 dreads, if nothing else your maths is concerning as you state 12 dreads on the coalition side when 13 were killed...i'm not really sure how you reached that figure.
As for out numbers when the engagement started we had 12 dreads.

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Originally by: Hans Roaming

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Glad you took the time to show the numbers, 17 capitals all of which were lost by D2/Sparta and the 26 capitals of MC and company.

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Glad Flinx Evenstar cleared up this whole issue for you.

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Originally by: Rawne Karrde

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PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Originally by: Hans Roaming

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Glad you took the time to show the numbers, 17 capitals all of which were lost by D2/Sparta and the 26 capitals of MC and company.

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Glad Flinx Evenstar cleared up this whole issue for you.

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The numbers posted are still accurate, Flix showed at least some validity to the lag post I made.

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Originally by: Major Stormer

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Quote:

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What should the MC do?

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Make things explode.

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Originally by: Crucifier

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Why do they let a nobody make forum posts

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Originally by: Crovan

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Edited by: Crovan on 03/05/2007 14:42:52
Nice writeup, Darth. Someone ninja'd a dread in on you guys btw, because we have 13 mails unless my counting is off. Respect for an honest assessment, a good fight, and for using "candyass" in a sentence (though it may be meant to be hyphenated ).

Yet again the fun stuff goes down while I am not there.

Originally by: GreatNick

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Originally by: Hans Roaming

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Glad you took the time to show the numbers, 17 capitals all of which were lost by D2/Sparta and the 26 capitals of MC and company.

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Glad Flinx Evenstar cleared up this whole issue for you.

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The numbers posted are still accurate, Flix showed at least some validity to the lag post I made.

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Dude, your numbers have been shot to hell and back. Perhaps the issue is simply clarity. A few from our side have admitted that it is entirely possible that we out-numbered at the end due to our backup arriving, but I sincerely doubt that the north is dumb enough to jump into an outnumbered capital fight with the people who had a large hand in pioneering capital fighting. They thought they had the trap, but it was the other way around.

Your credibility is blown by two main factors. 1) Providence is a LONG way from Fade. 2) Your "sources" say no coalition ships jumped out, yet at least two RZR carriers jumped out, one by his own admission, according to his orders. Perhaps there is a communication error on your end?

I have great respect for NOS from back in my ISS days. Please stop using their good name to spout your fanboy propaganda. If you want to fight, I believe FLA put out an open call for support. They seem like decent people, look them up, but fight it in the game, not on the forum.

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Stuff

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Originally by: GreatNick

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And why don't you check the dreads MC lost to see if there was anyone attacking them who were not also later killed. Once you have done so, feel free to name the dozen guys who cynoed out. I would really like you to pull some real facts, you can flame me all you want, but the kills won't lie.

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Glad you took the time to show the numbers, 17 capitals all of which were lost by D2/Sparta and the 26 capitals of MC and company.

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Originally by: GreatNick

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If you check killmails, 24 different MC and company capitals shot and killed the 17 enemy capitals.

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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For Greatnick's information, here's stats from the MC killboard:

Coalition

Died:
Bobby Atlas - MOROS (FLA)
Onat Five - MOROS (D2)
Warwick Radcliff - MOROS (Sparta)
viper zulu - MOROS (D2)
Angeltear - NAGLFAR (Sparta)
prathe - NAGLFAR (D2)
Auronof - PHOENIX (D2)
ChefAce - PHOENIX (Sparta)
Swiveler - PHOENIX (Sparta)
WHOSYADADDY - PHOENIX (D2)
Darth Sith - REVELATION (Sparta)
Joe Blow - REVELATION (D2)
Lady LeJean - REVELATION (Sparta)
Ikta Shoridon - ARCHON (D2)
Erfurt - CHIMERA (IRON)

Got Away:
Munch - ARCHON (IRON)
Intensity Green - THANATOS (RZR)
SigmaPod - THANATOS (RZR)
Talidorn - THANATOS (RZR)

So it looks like the two carriers that Robet and me had our scrams on died. Next time one of our members loses a carrier and gets rediculed on the D2 killboard for fitting a warp disruptor, remember the two carriers that died today. :)

And yes, we had more people in there eventually, because we knew what was going to happen and thus played you guys for the second time of the day. We had 2 motherships online but they weren't in system... That's easy intel? We had caps in reserve in our capital base. As soon as that arazu lit your cyno, we cyno'd in the motherships and additional caps.

It's called strategy. Your side thought they were going to gank an inferior force, you took the bait and got played. Good fight though. :)

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Originally by: Hans Roaming

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Stuff

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Are you the replacement for Audrea?

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Originally by: Pilk

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Edited by: Pilk on 03/05/2007 06:01:44


To the winner go the spoils.

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details

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Originally by: Dal Thrax

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There's something wrong here. From the amount of dps that was being thrown around more alliance SHOULD have popped...

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Originally by: Gnulpie

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Originally by: Dal Thrax

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There's something wrong here. From the amount of dps that was being thrown around more alliance SHOULD have popped...

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After the doomsday blast several D2 capitals were not able to activate modules. That explains it partly. The other part is that I suspect MC to know how to remote rep their ships under attack.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Darth, thanks for taking the time to give us a glimpse from the other side. Sparta being around has helped pick up the pace and we always look forward to fights with you guys. It's interesting to see the thought processes that take place on an operation like this.

In situations like this I think it's damn near impossible for either side to ever have a 100% perfect analysis of a situation. There was simply too much going on. Personally, I am clueless about what happened with the support ships other than there were a lot of them and at one point they took an interest in my dread alt before shifting fire to finish off Skinny Boy's Moros.

BTW, that Moros was the second one ever built for the MC and has one hell of a battle history behind it. Damn fine way to go, slugging it out toe to toe in a fight like this.

Win or lose, this is the kind of fighting you play the game for.

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Originally by: Darth Sith

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Edited by: Darth Sith on 03/05/2007 16:39:56

Originally by: Seleene

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Darth, thanks for taking the time to give us a glimpse from the other side. Sparta being around has helped pick up the pace and we always look forward to fights with you guys. It's interesting to see the thought processes that take place on an operation like this.

In situations like this I think it's damn near impossible for either side to ever have a 100% perfect analysis of a situation. There was simply too much going on. Personally, I am clueless about what happened with the support ships other than there were a lot of them and at one point they took an interest in my dread alt before shifting fire to finish off Skinny Boy's Moros.

BTW, that Moros was the second one ever built for the MC and has one hell of a battle history behind it. Damn fine way to go, slugging it out toe to toe in a fight like this.

Win or lose, this is the kind of fighting you play the game for.

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BTW: Most have already figured it out - Darth = Harleigh / Sparta Exec .. just posted with Darth character for thread continuity (oh noes the secret is out )


Your welcome .. :) .. I too play this for the luv of the tactical nature of the game .. and I am keenly interested in what happened on the other side .. I know when we hit the F1,F2 .. i am always interested what it must be like for the guy on the other side getting his pride and joy lit up ...we have all been there..

One thing you will always be able to count on from Sparta is a crystal clear local and an honest writeup from me if warranted ...


On the support question .. we finally snaked them around what later appeared to be an afk titan in L-c to get them in theater .. Originally they warped in too far then re-aligned and came in to primary Skinnyboy.. was an aweome job done by the support FC .. just too little to late :)

As for history .. yup .. the one Lady LeJean was in was Sparta's first dread and this battle would be the first Dread losses in Sparta history .. prob won't be the last given the complete change to capital warfare that eve has evolved to

My one political statement :

Good or bad , coallition vs Bob & co , red vs blue , north vs south .. call it what ever you want , i really don't care .. if it wasn't for both sides and the small handfull of people dedicated to organizing alliances and putting in the effort to claim space, this would be a boring game of empty space and ganking carebears in a belt somewhere. My hats of to the leaders who rise above the smack and join their team mates in the lagfest on the battlefield .. I make this point as I grow tired of wading though pages of mindless smack to find those few meaning full posts that actually further the discussion in a thread in a meaningful way .

Apologies for the political banter .. I just purposely refrain from posting in the forums and I have been wanting to voice that opinion for a while .. Most do not know of Sparta as we are silent on the forums and local by design .. those who know of us , know us well, and can count on us continuing to bring it to the battlefield over and over again :)

We lost this fight, but it is a war for the storybooks only in chaper 1 atm .. I look forward to meeting you on the battlefield again ..

BTW: Most have already figured it out - Darth = Harleigh / Sparta Exec .. just posted with Darth character for thread continuity (oh noes the secret is out )

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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg

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Man, glad to see all the D2/IRON input.

Thankfully, I can trust every word uttered by an MC pilot, cause..ya know, they're mercenaries.

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Originally by: Centauris

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Originally by: gordon cain

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Only D2 can loose that much and still come back to fight next day.

gordon cain

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You said it mate

D2 brung it and may have come off 2nd best (this time ) But shows further more that D2 is in NO WAY "dead" nor giving up in the north.

Nice job D2, Lub you guys

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Originally by: Isonkon Serikain

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Just a matter of time and persistance... Who will have the most? That is yet undetermined, but so far the assault on BoB and so-called pets has been completely derailed, with most entities in the anti-BoB coalition fighting to keep their homespace, it seems.

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Originally by: Various

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props

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Originally by: Fred0

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Nice performance MC&YW

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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1) Pilk says "we" as if Axe did any of the work.

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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2) This is why MC look like lapdogs to me, they call themselves "mercenaries" but all they do is the bidding of 1 alliance. They're so busy doing it they're not even accepting contracts anymore.

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Originally by: Menf

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At the moment my dread got destroyed we already had 5 dreads killed...so anything must went wrong on D2-side...and hey..it was THEIR trap, and they surely don't attack when they know we have larger numbers...and they couldn't believe we wont get further ships in during the fight

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Originally by: Phoenix Pryde

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But to save you all that work i put my my nber maths skills to work and added them up

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Originally by: Crucifier

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Why do they let a nobody make forum posts

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Originally by: Dangerously Cheesey

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Originally by: Pilk

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Edited by: Pilk on 03/05/2007 06:01:44


To the winner go the spoils.

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I understand cropping the screenshot to not show your leet setup, and I can even understand blacking out your chat windows, but why on earth would you block out the names of people typing "gf" in local?

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Crucifier

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Why do they let a nobody make forum posts

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Are you referring to me? Geez, does killing your logoffski corpmates' pods with a 125mm railgun in a Buzzard REALLY generate that much ill will? And anyway, why do they let NPC corps make forum posts?

Oh, wait. They don't.

--P

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Originally by: Crucifier

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Crucifier

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Why do they let a nobody make forum posts

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Are you referring to me? Geez, does killing your logoffski corpmates' pods with a 125mm railgun in a Buzzard REALLY generate that much ill will? And anyway, why do they let NPC corps make forum posts?

Oh, wait. They don't.

--P

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ohh, you act like it was us that was doing the logging off in combat. I even remember turnschuh(at least i recall it was him) saying on the axe ts server (back when i had the pw to the axe ts server) that he logged off to save his pod. Team lulz heyrheyr.

And yeah, you're a nobody, b*tch.

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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1) Pilk says "we" as if Axe did any of the work.

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AXE had two carriers + support there. What does it take to qualify as "doing any of the work", exactly? Quit camping my posts, ffs.

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Edited by: Evil Thug on 03/05/2007 18:22:58

Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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1) Pilk says "we" as if Axe did any of the work.

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AXE had two carriers + support there. What does it take to qualify as "doing any of the work", exactly? Quit camping my posts, ffs.

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Battlereports = "Hey, look what me and my guys just did". Hence, people, who contribute the most to fight should write em. Definately not dude, whos alliance brought entire 2 carriers, 2 interceptors and harpy to the battlefield. Those 1500 dps decided destiny of battle, without doubt

Leave battlereports to someone, who brought it, because you are not able to bring it by yourself. Seleene for example.

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Edited by: Evil Thug on 03/05/2007 18:22:58

Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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1) Pilk says "we" as if Axe did any of the work.

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AXE had two carriers + support there. What does it take to qualify as "doing any of the work", exactly? Quit camping my posts, ffs.

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Battlereports = "Hey, look what me and my guys just did". Hence, people, who contribute the most to fight should write em. Definately not dude, whos alliance brought entire 2 carriers, 2 interceptors and harpy to the battlefield. Those 1500 dps decided destiny of battle, without doubt

Leave battlereports to someone, who brought it, because you are not able to bring it by yourself. Seleene for example.

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg

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Man, glad to see all the D2/IRON input.

Thankfully, I can trust every word uttered by an MC pilot, cause..ya know, they're mercenaries.

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Hey look! it's another F.R.E.E. troll. Must run in the family.

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Originally by: Wylker

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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg

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Man, glad to see all the D2/IRON input.

Thankfully, I can trust every word uttered by an MC pilot, cause..ya know, they're mercenaries.

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Will there ever be a FREEE post that is not full of bitter tears and fanboi hatred for everyone that isn't D2? Don't forget to tell me my opionion doesn't matter because im just a pet when you think up your crymorenoob answer.

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Edited by: Evil Thug on 03/05/2007 18:22:58

Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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1) Pilk says "we" as if Axe did any of the work.

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AXE had two carriers + support there. What does it take to qualify as "doing any of the work", exactly? Quit camping my posts, ffs.

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Battlereports = "Hey, look what me and my guys just did". Hence, people, who contribute the most to fight should write em. Definately not dude, whos alliance brought entire 2 carriers, 2 interceptors and harpy to the battlefield. Those 1500 dps decided destiny of battle, without doubt

Leave battlereports to someone, who brought it, because you are not able to bring it by yourself. Seleene for example.

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Originally by: Pilk

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You're right. Seleene giving me the go-ahead to write the battle report's not nearly enough. Next time I'll ask for permission

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Originally by: Pilk

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You're right. Seleene giving me the go-ahead to write the battle report's not nearly enough. Next time I'll ask for permission from you as the head of an alliance who didn't have a single member within carrier jump range, let alone participating, in the battle in question.

Your argument fails, anyway--let's face it, if I didn't post this, some random alt would have, and it would have been WAY less informative. At least I was in the battle.

--P

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Originally by: Vandervecken Smith

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So I didn't believe the D2 & Co. had 117 caps + titan line, and I went to the D2 Killboard.
Sure enough, on the kill for Flying Scotsman, there are 12 dreads and 6 carriers on the kill, all Northern Coalition.
It's fairly clear that your numbers are wrong.

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Originally by: WHOSYADADDY

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Always seems kind of funny when fighting BOB and BOBs main pets (MC) of course. They dont get lag but every 1 else Does.

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Originally by: WHOSYADADDY

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Always seems kind of funny when fighting BOB and BOBs main pets (MC) of course. They dont get lag but every 1 else Does.

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Originally by: WHOSYADADDY

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Always seems kind of funny when fighting BOB and BOBs main pets (MC) of course. They dont get lag but every 1 else Does.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs.

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Edited by: Evil Thug on 03/05/2007 18:22:58

Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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1) Pilk says "we" as if Axe did any of the work.

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AXE had two carriers + support there. What does it take to qualify as "doing any of the work", exactly? Quit camping my posts, ffs.

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Battlereports = "Hey, look what me and my guys just did". Hence, people, who contribute the most to fight should write em. Definately not dude, whos alliance brought entire 2 carriers, 2 interceptors and harpy to the battlefield. Those 1500 dps decided destiny of battle, without doubt

Leave battlereports to someone, who brought it, because you are not able to bring it by yourself. Seleene for example.

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Originally by: WHOSYADADDY

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I dont know where you get that u were out numbered. We were the ones out numbered and we still went after you. And 2nd of all i see some of you are stating no lag. This was the worst lag ive seen in game for over 3 years ive been playing it. U can say what you want but all your heavy hitters were dead right off the bat. If it Wasnt for the 10-15 min lag spike (WE) all incountered , This would be you all dead instead of us. Always seems kind of funny when fighting BOB and BOBs main pets (MC) of course. They dont get lag but every 1 else Does.

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Originally by: doctorstupid2

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Seriously though, we brought what we had in the immediate area, very few pilots on at the time, only a fraction of which were in the area, and full of violent tendencies as always we came to the fight. For all involved parties, I beleive, we were far from peak participation.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs.

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Originally by: Xeliya

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Edited by: Xeliya on 03/05/2007 21:40:45

Originally by: Vandervecken Smith

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So I didn't believe the D2 & Co. had 117 caps + titan line, and I went to the D2 Killboard.
Sure enough, on the kill for Flying Scotsman, there are 12 dreads and 6 carriers on the kill, all Northern Coalition.
It's fairly clear that your numbers are wrong.

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Where did you get 117 caps?

From the KB battle report Coalition had 21 (22 including the Titan), 17 killed and 4 jumped out after the DD went off (about 2 min into the fight [before the reinforcements came in]). The Coalition also had around 50-70 support ships.

At first we had 9 dreads, 3 carriers. Right away we jumped in 2 moms + 1 carrier. About 1/2 - 3/4 of the way though our reinforcement fleet arrived to bring the totals to 27.

Note as stated before we can argue numbers all day but these are the numbers off our KB and they still may not be 100% but they are pretty close.

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Originally by: WHOSYADADDY

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Always seems kind of funny when fighting BOB and BOBs main pets (MC) of course. They dont get lag but every 1 else Does.

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Originally by: WHOSYADADDY

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I dont know where you get that u were out numbered. We were the ones out numbered and we still went after you. And 2nd of all i see some of you are stating no lag. This was the worst lag ive seen in game for over 3 years ive been playing it. U can say what you want but all your heavy hitters were dead right off the bat. If it Wasnt for the 10-15 min lag spike (WE) all incountered , This would be you all dead instead of us. Always seems kind of funny when fighting BOB and BOBs main pets (MC) of course. They dont get lag but every 1 else Does.

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Originally by: laotse

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seeing axe along side bob still make me sick if you cant beat them join them bah

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Originally by: Queen News

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ROFL. Is this not the approach ASCN took when they started to lose. BOB exploits, BoB gets no lag. Your Funny.

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Originally by: laotse

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seeing axe along side bob still make me sick if you cant beat them join them bah

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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And MC..lay off Whosyadaddy, he has been here long enough to know what lag is.

Yes you killed a lot of caps, but have some respect.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The top dozen or so people in RA have quit their real-life jobs to "play" EVE. They are earning twice as much money now, roughly, as they did in their previous jobs.

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Originally by: laotse

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and who are you ;p seeing old corp,s that hate bob from the groud up now fighting there war is sick

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Originally by: Queen News

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Originally by: WHOSYADADDY

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I dont know where you get that u were out numbered. We were the ones out numbered and we still went after you. And 2nd of all i see some of you are stating no lag. This was the worst lag ive seen in game for over 3 years ive been playing it. U can say what you want but all your heavy hitters were dead right off the bat. If it Wasnt for the 10-15 min lag spike (WE) all incountered , This would be you all dead instead of us. Always seems kind of funny when fighting BOB and BOBs main pets (MC) of course. They dont get lag but every 1 else Does.

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ROFL. Is this not the approach ASCN took when they started to lose. BOB exploits, BoB gets no lag. Your Funny.

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Originally by: w0rmy

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Dude, its whoyadaddy throwing round the accusations of cheating.

I suggest you throw a 'Have some respect' his way.

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Originally by: laotse

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Edited by: laotse on 03/05/2007 23:24:35
i dont change a thing atm you helping already the strongst group in eve if you think that,s the the way to go forwart we are not on the same lvl and that,s a pitty
and for the rest all of eve is bob sick hearing or reading about them

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Originally by: laotse

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Edited by: laotse on 03/05/2007 23:24:35
i dont change a thing atm you helping already the strongst group in eve if you think that,s the the way to go forwart we are not on the same lvl and that,s a pitty
and for the rest all of eve is bob sick hearing or reading about them

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Originally by: Pilk

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This is the SECOND BIGGEST CAPITAL SHIP LOSS EVER. If this doesn't deserve a non-alt, non-flaming battle report post... nothing does.

--P

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Originally by: Pilk

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This is the SECOND BIGGEST CAPITAL SHIP LOSS EVER. If this doesn't deserve a non-alt, non-flaming battle report post... nothing does.

--P

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hey Pilk mate, if it helps, your report was pretty good, and contained no flame.

Ignore the "News" alts, and the spectators.

(only slight alteration I would make, is that the battle field was roughly equal. You did not fight outnumbered ...sorry to bring that up again, but at end of day..you guys came out on top )

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Originally by: doctorstupid2

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Towards the end of the slugfest we had roughly equal numbers of capitals on the field, initally outnumbered in capitals until our reinforcements made an appeareance, and no support leaving us 50 pilots short of equal numbers.

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Originally by: doctorstupid2

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Towards the end of the slugfest we had roughly equal numbers of capitals on the field, initally outnumbered in capitals until our reinforcements made an appeareance, and no support leaving us 50 pilots short of equal numbers.

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Dude, lets not go back to smack...but RLY?

do you think support ships can break a MS tank

Since when does support effect a capital slug fest

Get a grip...chk your own stats. Count the MS you had. You won that fight, what more do you want? Facts are..you had more capitals.

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Originally by: doctorstupid2

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Originally by: doctorstupid2

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Towards the end of the slugfest we had roughly equal numbers of capitals on the field, initally outnumbered in capitals until our reinforcements made an appeareance, and no support leaving us 50 pilots short of equal numbers.

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Dude, lets not go back to smack...but RLY?

do you think support ships can break a MS tank

Since when does support effect a capital slug fest

Get a grip...chk your own stats. Count the MS you had. You won that fight, what more do you want? Facts are..you had more capitals.

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I'm not debating capital numbers. I'm debating the huge discrepency in claimed equal fleet sizes. So capitals were within 1 ship of equal numbers once all were on the field, yes? You mean to tell me circa 30 battleships and 20 smaller ships vs a support fleet numbering barely a dozen played no role in this? Sure, because as we all know, 50 support and 30 capitals are fully helpless at the hands of a mothership.

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Originally by: Juha85

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I dont exactly know... but arent a support fleet of 50 capable of putting out quite good dps and actually would do something in a capital fight. That is if they dont get dd'd or such. Ofcourse if its 50 frigs... :)

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Originally by: doctorstupid2

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Originally by: doctorstupid2

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Towards the end of the slugfest we had roughly equal numbers of capitals on the field, initally outnumbered in capitals until our reinforcements made an appeareance, and no support leaving us 50 pilots short of equal numbers.

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Dude, lets not go back to smack...but RLY?

do you think support ships can break a MS tank

Since when does support effect a capital slug fest

Get a grip...chk your own stats. Count the MS you had. You won that fight, what more do you want? Facts are..you had more capitals.

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I'm not debating capital numbers. I'm debating the huge discrepency in claimed equal fleet sizes. So capitals were within 1 ship of equal numbers once all were on the field, yes? You mean to tell me circa 30 battleships and 20 smaller ships vs a support fleet numbering barely a dozen played no role in this? Sure, because as we all know, 50 support and 30 capitals are fully helpless at the hands of a mothership.

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Originally by: Tomas Ysidro

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Doctor, stop living up to your name and give it a rest.

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Originally by: Juha85

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Originally by: GreatNick

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Once again Selene you missed the point. You did not fight undernumbered, you had more capitals attacking than D2 and company. And local did not spike till the battle was nearly over the D2's support gang arrived 10 minutes late. I really could care less about D2 at this point, that is why I left the north, but at least get your numbers right in regards to the amount of capitals you used.

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So basicaly you are saying you know better? Seleene was there, u wasnt.

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