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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
850
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Posted - 2017.03.25 14:16:39 -
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BREAKING NEWS - QUAFE CONVOY DESTROYED BY CALDARI FORCES ON CALDARI-GALLENTE BORDER
Lina Ambre wrote:KASSIGAINEN - Reports have reached the Scope News desk in the last half hour regarding the destruction of a flotilla of vessels owned by the Quafe Company, which were apparently traversing the Caldari-Gallente border on a routine supply run.
The Federation Navy and Senate have condemned the actions of Caldari Customs forces, who appear to have engaged the unarmed convoy for violating the border closure mandate that has remained in force since Wednesday.
Representatives from Ishukone and Wiyrkomi have condemned the assault by the State Armed Forces, which destroyed seven unarmed Obelisk class freighters belonging to the Quafe Company, in an engagement that left no survivors.
The Quafe Company has released a statement in the last few moments, "strongly condemning this barbaric and heinous attack" and confirming the flight manifest for all seven vessels. The release of this information revealed that the vessels were crewed by a total of 4,691 Quafe employees, who also maintain status as corporate citizens of the Caldari State, and were fully loaded with empty Quafe classic bottles for a return trip to the Federation.
The flight manifest also shows the route that the vessels were taking from a Quafe Company warehouse in Annaro, to the Quafe Company bottling plant in orbit of Lirsautton VII, which confirms initial reports that the vessels were leaving, rather than entering Caldari territory.
In a statement delivered by Halertan Blan, Quafe's Regional Logistics Director for Everyshore, the company elaborated that "the attack on our unarmed supply vessels was entirely unwarranted and lies in firm breach of both Caldari and interstellar law. The mandate issued by the Chief Executlve Panel prevents vessels registered in the Federation from crossing the border into the state, not vice versa. The attack was an illegal, senseless and unnecessary show of force by the Caldari authorities."
The Quafe Company has confirmed that it has lodged a formal complaint with the Directive Enforcement Department and intends to file criminal charges with the Caldari Business Tribunal against Caldari Customs, with a view to "recovering cost for destruction of assets, along with substantial and adequate compensation for the families of those lost."
The Caldari authorities have remained silent since news broke of the convoy's destruction.
As strength goes.
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Yuwei Sung
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2017.03.25 14:30:15 -
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If Quafe turns out to be behind the Kyokoke outbreak, I will commit suicide at once, because I know I will never hear of anything more amusing in my life. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
584
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Posted - 2017.03.25 14:31:14 -
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...Seriously?
Unless there is some MASSIVE mitigating information, this is sheer stupidity on the part of whoever issued that order, and anyone who followed it.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
808
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Posted - 2017.03.25 14:31:26 -
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So, why are people in this universe just piling bad decisions on top of bad decisions? |
Tabor Murn
RADIO RAMPAGE Indecisive Certainty
182
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Posted - 2017.03.25 14:35:05 -
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You'd think the Caldari would be pleased that Gallente assets were leaving their space? |
Avio Yaken
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2284
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Posted - 2017.03.25 14:38:02 -
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Yuwei Sung wrote:If Quafe turns out to be behind the Kyokoke outbreak, I will commit suicide at once, because I know I will never hear of anything more amusing in my life.
I'm a sucker for conspiracy theories every now and then. With Quafe being rather popular drink in the cluster it would be the perfect carrier for a horrific disease. Contaminate the shipment and kick back. The cans will hit shelves, people will start consuming and the infection spreads and we look at the other strange events and ignore the simple Quafe transports.
More reason to drink Stari!
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Tabor Murn
RADIO RAMPAGE Indecisive Certainty
184
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Posted - 2017.03.25 14:39:59 -
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If we're going to blame a beverage, the obvious culprit is Phanta. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3114
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Posted - 2017.03.25 14:44:37 -
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That will show them how to ignore Caldari orders on Caldari border!
Glory to the State!
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1979
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Posted - 2017.03.25 14:45:44 -
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I don't like Quafe but can't remember when was the last time i shoot their ships.
The State is slowly going mental or there simply more to this story.
Akrasjel Lanate
Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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TomHorn
Dragonaurs
294
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Posted - 2017.03.25 14:51:15 -
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Specialty of the State and the Patriot bloc to shoot down unarmed freighters. Border is closed.
Halertan Blan , Quafe Regional Logistics Director for Everyshore , statement is ridiculous. Doubt the criminal charges they intend to file will even make it to the Caldari business Tribunal.
The blame lies with the Captain of the vessels , the Director's of Quafe corporation, who thought it was good idea to fly their freighters accross the Caldari , Gallente border at this current time.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3012
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Posted - 2017.03.25 14:55:06 -
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Diana Kim wrote:That will show them how to ignore Caldari orders on Caldari border!
Glory to the State!
You mean the orders saying 'Federation vessels can't come in'?
Because these were Caldari citizens engaged in the still totally legal act of taking ships out of State space.
Sounds like it was the Caldari Navy who needs to learn how to follow orders. |
Reeves Todako
Caldari Corn Paste
105
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Posted - 2017.03.25 15:04:38 -
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This is utterly reprehensible. Monstrous. Devious.
Why in this great cosmos would -anyone- shoot poor, innocent haulers? Innocent Freighters in HiSec. Only a monster could be so low. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3194
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Posted - 2017.03.25 15:23:20 -
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Okay ... well, the Caldari can be a little hard-nosed, but this seems a touch over the top. If they were trying to make a point, it seems like they could have found a less completely destructive way to do it. It's not even like the border's closed to capsuleer traffic.
I wonder what's going on. |
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
897
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Posted - 2017.03.25 15:58:21 -
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Quote:Caldari Customs forces, who appear to have engaged the [..] seven unarmed Obelisk class freighters belonging to the Quafe Company, in an engagement that left no survivors. Wow... I guess all I can say is... Maybe they should put Quafe captains in command of Federation Navy ships. I mean, if they suicide gank an entire Caldari Customs patrol with just seven unarmed civilian freighters, imagine what they could do with a battleship.
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Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
361
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Posted - 2017.03.25 16:08:42 -
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Oh man . . . can we just leave the Quafe out of this? |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9414
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Posted - 2017.03.25 16:14:16 -
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Huh.
My initial reaction: dismay, frustration.
My second reaction: guarded curiosity.
Let's get past the 'destroyed unarmed freighters' part, because that's very easy to get stuck on.
In the first place, there is the tiniest bit of ambiguity in the initial statements on the border closure, with 'passage of all Gallente non-capsuleer traffic across the Caldari-Gallente border' being the statement. That's traffic in either direction. It's then stated-- clarified, or reiterated in part? --that no Gallente non-capsuleer traffic may enter the State, but it's not clarified that the traffic may leave the State. Now, this is one of those hair-splitting semantic arguments that'd waste pages of Summit threads, so let's just agree that one could argue the ambiguity, even though most will read it as entry.
The only reason why a border closure would make sense is to prevent passage of FIO operatives or other smuggled materials, so that State intelligence services could more effectively dredge for the on-going FIO intelligence operation and its materials.
The other idea may simply be that, well, the State's gone batshit with panic and naval personnel are becoming jumpy to paranoid extremes.
Frankly, if it's the latter, then we've got some issues.
I hope it's not the latter, because the vaunted rationality of the State, the widely-spread notion of 'piercing the veil' to the hard truth beneath things, would be made mockery of.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3015
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Posted - 2017.03.25 16:29:46 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:In the first place, there is the tiniest bit of ambiguity in the initial statements on the border closure, with 'passage of all Gallente non-capsuleer traffic across the Caldari-Gallente border' being the statement. That's traffic in either direction. It's then stated-- clarified, or reiterated in part? --that no Gallente non-capsuleer traffic may enter the State, but it's not clarified that the traffic may leave the State. Now, this is one of those hair-splitting semantic arguments that'd waste pages of Summit threads, so let's just agree that one could argue the ambiguity, even though most will read it as entry.
I'm actually more focused on the 'Gallente non-capsuleer traffic', given that these were State citizens. Does that mean any non-capsuleer traffic that just happens to be driving a rounded ship with green paint is going to be shot at, regardless of who's actually crossing the border? |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9415
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Posted - 2017.03.25 16:40:45 -
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The sticking point, from a legal perspective, is that the vessel and cargo belong to a Federation-registered corporation. It may be that the closure is interpreted to be not just or personnel, but materiel.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3194
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Posted - 2017.03.25 16:42:39 -
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If it was a screw-up, my guess would be the cause was clear, unambiguous, and poorly-tailored orders, as in, "Close the border, and shoot any Federal traffic that tries to pass through!"
I could see a naval unit kind of going, "Well ... uh. This seems like a bad idea, but, orders are orders."
That would be assuming a screw-up, though. A few questions that pop to mind:
Why was Quafe trying a routine supply run? It's not like the present situation's been anything like quiet. There were thousands of people on those freighters; did nobody go, "Uh, boss, you know there's a blockade, right?" Why would anybody care so much about Obelisks full of empty bottles that they'd challenge a naval blockade to get them moved?
There was word, before, of civilian traffic being "stopped" at the border, as in, turned back, not blown up. Why wasn't that done, here?
The visuals here are too ... vivid, somehow. Too obviously awful. There's something wrong. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3015
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Posted - 2017.03.25 16:47:39 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:The sticking point, from a legal perspective, is that the vessel and cargo belong to a Federation-registered corporation. It may be that the closure is interpreted to be not just or personnel, but materiel.
Perhaps. There's also the question of where those particular vessels were registered. It's not impossible that the Quafe financial department decided to save some scratch by having the freighters that would be operating mostly in the State built and commissioned in the State, even ifGÇöfor branding reasonsGÇöthey insisted on Obelisks.... probably Quafe-SKINned. |
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Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
586
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Posted - 2017.03.25 16:48:48 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:If it was a screw-up, my guess would be the cause was clear, unambiguous, and poorly-tailored orders, as in, "Close the border, and shoot any Federal traffic that tries to pass through!"
I could see a naval unit kind of going, "Well ... uh. This seems like a bad idea, but, orders are orders."
That would be assuming a screw-up, though. A few questions that pop to mind:
Why was Quafe trying a routine supply run? It's not like the present situation's been anything like quiet. There were thousands of people on those freighters; did nobody go, "Uh, boss, you know there's a blockade, right?" Why would anybody care so much about Obelisks full of empty bottles that they'd challenge a naval blockade to get them moved?
There was word, before, of civilian traffic being "stopped" at the border, as in, turned back, not blown up. Why wasn't that done, here?
The visuals here are too ... vivid, somehow. Too obviously awful. There's something wrong. I'm inclined to agree, but the lack of any statement on behalf of the Navy is disturbing. Who issued what orders? This should all be a matter of record from bridge logs. No ambiguity.
What remains is that it happened. Still, I've certainly got many of the same questions.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3015
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Posted - 2017.03.25 16:49:45 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Why was Quafe trying a routine supply run? It's not like the present situation's been anything like quiet. There were thousands of people on those freighters; did nobody go, "Uh, boss, you know there's a blockade, right?" Why would anybody care so much about Obelisks full of empty bottles that they'd challenge a naval blockade to get them moved?
Because, as Makoto's indicated, the clear takeaway from the publicly-announced orders was 'no Federation ships can come in', with a strong implication of 'so get out'.
Which is what the Quafe convoy was doing: getting out.
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Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
362
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Posted - 2017.03.25 16:52:20 -
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Well to look at this from another perspective, and I'm not saying this is my positions, but wouldn't a convoy of freighters full of empty bottles be an excellent vehicle to smuggle something through the border? There's an espionage war going on here after all. We're just seeing the waves that break the surface. |
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
362
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Posted - 2017.03.25 16:54:13 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:The only reason why a border closure would make sense is to prevent passage of FIO operatives or other smuggled materials, so that State intelligence services could more effectively dredge for the on-going FIO intelligence operation and its materials.
The measure against this to close the borders for even all kind of civilian traffic is still extreme - unless there is something to hide at all costs. I'm having a hard time to understand why the CEP issues such a far reaching mandate but doesn't care to explain the reason publicly.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9417
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Posted - 2017.03.25 17:14:07 -
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Brand managers. Can't live with them, can't live without them.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3196
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Posted - 2017.03.25 17:28:44 -
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Arrendis wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Why was Quafe trying a routine supply run? It's not like the present situation's been anything like quiet. There were thousands of people on those freighters; did nobody go, "Uh, boss, you know there's a blockade, right?" Why would anybody care so much about Obelisks full of empty bottles that they'd challenge a naval blockade to get them moved? Because, as Makoto's indicated, the clear takeaway from the publicly-announced orders was 'no Federation ships can come in', with a strong implication of 'so get out'. Which is what the Quafe convoy was doing: getting out.
Well-- yes, only, (1) we're assuming they had the same kind-of ambiguous statement we did; (2) do you really think they were just attacked on the spot with no warning at all?
If you're approaching a border in an unarmed ship, and somebody with a gun says, "The border is closed; turn back now," do you really keep going? <--- If this isn't what happened, if State security forces really just opened fire without a word, I have even more questions.
Like, "Considering the ambiguous wording and the volume of State/Federal trade, why hadn't this happened five thousand times already?" |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
586
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Posted - 2017.03.25 17:42:45 -
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I REALLY would like to hear something about the bridge logs.
And about the orders that sent a bunch of massive, fully manned container ships to a blockade.
I'm as shocked as anyone about this, but the more I consider it rationally, the more I see the same unanswered questions
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Yoshitaka Moromuo
Distant Light Galactic
28
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Posted - 2017.03.25 17:47:32 -
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If it is true that this flotilla was indeed departing Caldari space on a return trip, it could be troublesome. While the original report on the partial closure states a suspension of all Gallente non-capsuleer traffic, we are not all here with a copy of the orders that actually govern this partial closure.
The right thing to do here would be to call for the release of a full copy of the orders creating the partial closure, and - where possible - communications logs from the time immediately surrounding the flotilla attack.
The appropriate party (or parties), as evidence should show, should be held responsible here.
Addendum: I appear to have been touching on the same questions as Saya above me... |
Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7302
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Posted - 2017.03.25 19:09:46 -
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While this certainly looks troubling the Navy's silence is most likely caused by an investigation into the incident that they don't want to make a statement without having the results of.
I'm going to go ahead and assume credible intelligence pertaining to something in those freighters. Perhaps something that then turned out to not actually be in said freighters. If I was trying to stir up trouble between the Federation and the State, this would be exactly how I'd do it.
Doesn't mean someone wearing Caldari Grey hasn't been a complete idiot, though.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Icecream Audit Office Electus Matari
767
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Posted - 2017.03.25 19:23:41 -
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They said they'll close borders.
Then they actually closed borders and enforced it.
Now everyone is shocked.
Let the bridges we burn light the way.
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