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Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic 29	Posted - 2017.03.28 03:22:38 - [151] - Quote TomHorn wrote: You defy Customs at your own peril. If you choose to , they catch you , they'll blow the dam hell out you , this ain't nothing new. This is Customs in New Eden , not just the State. I been blown up by Caldari Customs couple times , i was in the wrong . Back when i was running combat boosters out of Jita 4/4 , they were then considered contraband. I was running fast frigate , still got picked up , warned , i thought i ain't handing over all these boosters , thought id be in warp before he could get his scram on. I didn't get second warning after ignoring his first, trying to warp away , all of sudden engines stopped blown to hell. Lost all my goods , got heavy fine , downgrading in my concord security status. They've got job to do , they enforce it. My guess , they ignored Customs warnings and paid for it . Seems black and white to me , everyone knew the border was closed. Convoy tried to cross the border and got blown up. I don't see any crimes or atrocites committed by the State here. I just see State forces doing the job they are paid to do. Yes, its sad the vessels had to be destroyed , maybe some have lost their lives. Don't break the law , do as your told , you've nothing to fear, here in the Caldari State. Like being in any other nation in New Eden , its safe. The exact circumstances surrounding the interdiction and flotilla's destruction are unknown. Therefore, claims that the vessels had to be destroyed aren't holding very well yet, at least until supporting evidence comes out.
TomHorn Dragonaurs 296	Posted - 2017.03.28 04:02:49 - [152] - Quote Yoshitaka Moromuo wrote: TomHorn wrote: You defy Customs at your own peril. If you choose to , they catch you , they'll blow the dam hell out you , this ain't nothing new. This is Customs in New Eden , not just the State. I been blown up by Caldari Customs couple times , i was in the wrong . Back when i was running combat boosters out of Jita 4/4 , they were then considered contraband. I was running fast frigate , still got picked up , warned , i thought i ain't handing over all these boosters , thought id be in warp before he could get his scram on. I didn't get second warning after ignoring his first, trying to warp away , all of sudden engines stopped blown to hell. Lost all my goods , got heavy fine , downgrading in my concord security status. They've got job to do , they enforce it. My guess , they ignored Customs warnings and paid for it . Seems black and white to me , everyone knew the border was closed. Convoy tried to cross the border and got blown up. I don't see any crimes or atrocites committed by the State here. I just see State forces doing the job they are paid to do. Yes, its sad the vessels had to be destroyed , maybe some have lost their lives. Don't break the law , do as your told , you've nothing to fear, here in the Caldari State. Like being in any other nation in New Eden , its safe. The exact circumstances surrounding the interdiction and flotilla's destruction are unknown. Therefore, claims that the vessels had to be destroyed aren't holding very well yet, at least until supporting evidence comes out. Yeah, i can see that Yoshitaka . Maybe something will come out in the next few days , we aren't a democracy so there are no guarantees. No doubt the Senate will be complaining , along with the furor of some of the capsuleers , guess there is a good chance a statement will be made. I have faith in our forces , and that they act appropriately. I feel that need for evidence for their actions is not required. Not for public consumption anyway. Those further up the chain of command will receive those answers , no doubt will the CEP .
Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic 30	Posted - 2017.03.28 04:49:27 - [153] - Quote There are many - myself included - that believe evidence is in fact required. Per the last report: "... and the Chief Executive Panel has warned Caldari corporations currently engaged in business with Gallente registered organizations that no non-capsuleer traffic will be permitted to cross the border into the State, regardless of any pre-approved customs and immigration documentation." Quafe Company, to my knowledge, operates on a status similar to many corporations within the State as it is, in addition to its home operations within the Gallente Federation. The crews were - per report - full corporate citizens of the State, and were on a return trip which should not have been barred under the last portion of the quoted statement. A compelling reason, along with compelling evidence, is needed for destruction of the flotilla to be considered a valid enforcement action in this case. Regardless, the case is already being brought to both the DED and CBT by Quafe Company - and is thus out of our capsule-bound hands.
Akira Mapindazi 5	Posted - 2017.03.28 07:47:05 - [154] - Quote When the reason for this apparent tragedy is declassified and made public the commanding officers in charge will either vindicate the State or choose to demonstrate Caldari honor and shoulder the full burden of their decision. In either case we can all rest assured that justice has been done or will be done. With the notable exception of the infamous coward Tibus Heth Caldari are not known to run from the consequences of our actions. I strongly feel if the reasons can be declassified the actions will vindicate the State. The first thing that came to my mind, and it is clearly without any facts to support it and I openly admit and make that fact a preamble to my personal conspiracy theory is: Vessels loaded with plague were being shipped to Gallente space from Caldari space by non-State infiltrators in an effort to make it look like the State was actively involved in such despicable acts. Intelligence officers of the State discovered the plot and were forced to completely "sanitize" the Quafe haulers before the infiltrators could launch escape pods and threaten the crews that would have been sent to recover survivors. In a circumstance like this I would understand both the kill order and the lack of survivors. Many forces would love to see the State and the Federation in full on warfare for their own selfish reasons. Disrupting a terrorist plot would also explain why the State has been reluctant to give any meaningful details, perhaps all the planners and participants have not been swept up yet and the State has no need to show it's cards and allow them notice that a net is closing in on them. I find it more reasonable to assume harsh measures were used because of a grave threat and not just because of callous bluster and sabre rattling. I am not claiming to be impartial or to have bullet proof facts to support what I am suggesting "could" have happened. It just makes more sense that something extremely bad was going to happen if Caldari forces did not initiate swift and harsh actions. If this is not the scenario type that transpired and it was a field command decision against otherwise harmless cargo ships the Caldari will not tolerate it and the State's justice will be visited on the responsible parties.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3045	Posted - 2017.03.28 15:45:42 - [155] - Quote TomHorn wrote: I have faith in our forces , and that they act appropriately. I feel that need for evidence for their actions is not required. Not for public consumption anyway. Those further up the chain of command will receive those answers, no doubt will the CEP. Blind faith is a wonderful thing... for those who seek to use you. The moment you got your implants, you became nothing but a weapon to them. You, like all the rest of us, are not truly a citizen of anywhere. You are a loaded gun, to be used when possible, and pointed away from their precious nation-state the rest of the time. That's why the Pendulum Games exist, after all: to control potentially useful assets, while still keeping them away from 'decent people'. Remove your blinders. No-one in power should ever go unquestioned.
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 2046	Posted - 2017.03.28 16:32:38 - [156] - Quote DRINK REVENGE ! IT TASTES LIKE STARSI ! Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Teinyhr Ourumur 828	Posted - 2017.03.28 18:31:22 - [157] - Quote Valerie Valate wrote: DRINK REVENGE ! IT TASTES LIKE STARSI ! Revenge Starsi, it tastes like drink
Tyrel Toov Non-Hostile Target 933	Posted - 2017.03.28 20:19:21 - [158] - Quote Teinyhr wrote: Valerie Valate wrote: DRINK REVENGE ! IT TASTES LIKE STARSI ! Revenge Starsi, it tastes like drink Starsi taste, drink revenge. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Graelyn Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 970	Posted - 2017.03.28 22:47:28 - [159] - Quote I still prefer it to Quafe. I like a touch of sweetness, not a bucket per sip. Cardinal Graelyn Imperial Liaison, I-RED Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Gwion Achasse University of Caille Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2017.03.29 14:06:44 - [160] - Quote Aradina Varren wrote: Gwion Achasse wrote: Shooting innocent convoys delivering something of actual quality and enjoyment to an otherwise dour and depressing corporate wasteland is hardly low for a culture that grows children in tubes. This statement brought to you by Quafe. There's no better soft drink on the market for quenching your thirst after insulting others based on nothing but the circumstances of their birth. On a less sarcastic note, I take back what I said about people being reasonable in this thread. This thread has become a great example of people without critical thinking skills who are willing to take every opportunity to further their political goals, including advocating for war. Because now is a fantastic time for a full scale war. I won't name names, because they'll name themselves by getting offended over this statement. Have some respect. And this statement brought to you by...? I do believe that blowing up convoys that are historically part of your rival political entity is one of the least reasonable maneuvers I can think of. I don't want full scale war, but I will not tolerate attacks on a national corporation (which is highly symbolic, regardless of the reasons) nor will I back down in the face of those with loyalties to the State. If you don't want war, don't throw the first punch.

Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3050	Posted - 2017.03.29 14:12:20 - [161] - Quote Gwion Achasse wrote: I don't want full scale war, but I will not tolerate attacks on a national corporation (which is highly symbolic, regardless of the reasons) nor will I back down in the face of those with loyalties to the State. So you're hunting Caldari Navy personnel, then? If not, what exactly will you do to not tolerate this?
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7329	Posted - 2017.03.29 15:50:07 - [162] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Gwion Achasse wrote: I don't want full scale war, but I will not tolerate attacks on a national corporation (which is highly symbolic, regardless of the reasons) nor will I back down in the face of those with loyalties to the State. So you're hunting Caldari Navy personnel, then? If not, what exactly will you do to not tolerate this? I'm going to guess that making posts on the IGS is probably the full extent. DEFIANT posts. In my face. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
James Syagrius Humble Trader Company 1592	Posted - 2017.03.29 18:25:21 - [163] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Arrendis wrote: Gwion Achasse wrote: I don't want full scale war, but I will not tolerate attacks on a national corporation (which is highly symbolic, regardless of the reasons) nor will I back down in the face of those with loyalties to the State. So you're hunting Caldari Navy personnel, then? If not, what exactly will you do to not tolerate this? I'm going to guess that making posts on the IGS is probably the full extent. DEFIANT posts. In my face. So... Unless one is willing to kill their opinions don't have value? I think it important we clarify that. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Jev North Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group 740	Posted - 2017.03.29 18:36:53 - [164] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I'm going to guess that making posts on the IGS is probably the full extent. DEFIANT posts. In my face. So... Unless one is willing to kill their opinions don't have value? I think it important we clarify that. I think Pieter meant to express that however much value an opinion has, it's going to stay an opinion, unless you're willing to do something other than blow hot air on the IGS. Funny how your mind went straight to murder. I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1469	Posted - 2017.03.29 18:48:15 - [165] - Quote Jev North wrote: Funny how your mind went straight to murder. As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous.
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 2048	Posted - 2017.03.29 19:01:31 - [166] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Jev North wrote: Funny how your mind went straight to murder. As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous. Relevant to what ? I mean, take for example, a conflict between, oh I don't know, Lirsautton nationalists and Gallente federalists. Within their sphere, they might be highly relevant. But in the sphere of say, Amarr religious conflicts, then does it matter what their views might be ? Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Saya Ishikari Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 605	Posted - 2017.03.29 19:07:19 - [167] - Quote Gwion Achasse wrote: And this statement brought to you by...? A tube child, in this case, who up until recently thought well of your nation, despite the history of antagonism we share. Gwion Achasse wrote: I do believe that blowing up convoys that are historically part of your rival political entity is one of the least reasonable maneuvers I can think of. Everyone of sound mind agrees with you, so where's the issue? Gwion Achasse wrote: I don't want full scale war, but I will not tolerate attacks on a national corporation (which is highly symbolic, regardless of the reasons) nor will I back down in the face of those with loyalties to the State. So you take issue with anyone who has loyalties to the State? Or merely those who haven't already expressed some variation of outrage at this event (all two of them)? If the former, why does your stance even matter beyond a display of nationalistic fervor, since it wouldn't be worth trying to sway your opinion anyways? Gwion Achasse wrote: If you don't want war, don't throw the first punch. Are you so certain it's us? All but our most myopic detractors don't seem to be. "At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Jev North Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group 740	Posted - 2017.03.29 19:20:59 - [168] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous. Fair enough. I shan't feel guilty about living up to my designated role, then. I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
Tyrel Toov Non-Hostile Target 933	Posted - 2017.03.29 20:19:58 - [169] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Jev North wrote: Funny how your mind went straight to murder. As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous. Hey, murderfucking is how I make my living. People calling for more of it keep me in business. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
James Syagrius Humble Trader Company 1594	Posted - 2017.03.29 20:51:26 - [170] - Quote Jev North wrote: Funny how your mind went straight to murder. Actually, I didn't, I said kill, not murder. A distinction without a difference perhaps, but a distinction none the less. It seems of late that unless you are able to 'defend', 'display' or 'project power, then you and what you think are considered irrelevant. If we have devolved to might makes right, then fine. I just want us to be clear about it. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."

Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7331	Posted - 2017.03.29 20:54:47 - [171] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Jev North wrote: Funny how your mind went straight to murder. As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous. Doesn't have to be murderfucking. That's not the only way to make opinion into policy, it's just one of the clearest and most direct ways. I'm just saying, don't talk about the sandwich you're thinking of making me, make me a damn sandwich. I can appreciate a sandwich and I'll respect a sandwich you make me, no matter how 1/10 that sandwich is. Discussing a sandwich never fed anyone - no matter how many toppings you're promising. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1822	Posted - 2017.03.29 20:59:50 - [172] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Jev North wrote: Funny how your mind went straight to murder. As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous. Hey, murderfucking is how I make my living. People calling for more of it keep me in business. Thats funny, I thought it was "shooting those who deserve it..."
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7331	Posted - 2017.03.29 21:05:16 - [173] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Jev North wrote: Funny how your mind went straight to murder. Actually, I didn't, I said kill, not murder. A distinction without a difference perhaps, but a distinction none the less. It seems of late that unless you are able to 'defend', 'display' or 'project power, then you and what you think are considered irrelevant. If we have devolved to might makes right, then fine. I just want us to be clear about it. Nah, you know that I don't think that way. If you back a demand with 'or else' though, 'or else' better not mean shiptoasting on the IGS. If 'won't tolerate' means a strongly worded letter of censure then it means nothing. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Aradina Varren Alexylva Paradox 122	Posted - 2017.03.29 22:45:06 - [174] - Quote Gwion Achasse wrote: And this statement brought to you by...? My statements were brought to you by empathy and compassion. And not being discriminatory. You directly called a lot of people "low points" for an entire society, comparing them to killing innocents. I'm not a tube child, but I won't tolerate that. Gwion Achasse wrote: I do believe that blowing up convoys that are historically part of your rival political entity is one of the least reasonable maneuvers I can think of. Almost like there's more to this that we're simply not privy to, and that we should wait for more information. Gwion Achasse wrote: I don't want full scale war, but I will not tolerate attacks on a national corporation (which is highly symbolic, regardless of the reasons) nor will I back down in the face of those with loyalties to the State. So you don't want war, but you also don't tolerate anyone with loyalties to the State? Were you aiming for a cull or a massacre perhaps? Not technically war. Gwion Achasse wrote: If you don't want war, don't throw the first punch. Let's assume that there isn't anything else to this story, and that it was actually just enforcement of the borders, the Federation was spying on the State. Many would argue that espionage is that first punch. Do I agree? Not entirely. Would that justify the attack? No. But claiming that this was the first punch is utterly silly. The first punch was thrown a long, long time ago. Feels Pretty Soft to Me.
James Syagrius Humble Trader Company 1595	Posted - 2017.03.30 00:44:06 - [175] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Nah, you know that I don't think that way. If you back a demand with 'or else' though, 'or else' better not mean shiptoasting on the IGS. I do indeed, is it just me, or did this used to be more fun? GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Tyrel Toov Non-Hostile Target 934	Posted - 2017.03.30 02:07:06 - [176] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Tyrel Toov wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Jev North wrote: Funny how your mind went straight to murder. As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous. Hey, murderfucking is how I make my living. People calling for more of it keep me in business. Thats funny, I thought it was "shooting those who deserve it..." We can murderfuck people who deserve it. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 2116	Posted - 2017.03.30 02:10:46 - [177] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Nah, you know that I don't think that way. If you back a demand with 'or else' though, 'or else' better not mean shiptoasting on the IGS. I do indeed, is it just me, or did this used to be more fun? Just in case you didn't notice, Mr. Tuulinen has the evacuation of an entire arcology to organise. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 3225	Posted - 2017.03.30 02:35:11 - [178] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Nah, you know that I don't think that way. If you back a demand with 'or else' though, 'or else' better not mean shiptoasting on the IGS. I do indeed, is it just me, or did this used to be more fun? Just in case you didn't notice, Mr. Tuulinen has the evacuation of an entire arcology to organise. And yet it doesn't seem like Mr. Tuulinen is the one who's changed.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 2117	Posted - 2017.03.30 02:40:04 - [179] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Nah, you know that I don't think that way. If you back a demand with 'or else' though, 'or else' better not mean shiptoasting on the IGS. I do indeed, is it just me, or did this used to be more fun? Just in case you didn't notice, Mr. Tuulinen has the evacuation of an entire arcology to organise. And yet it doesn't seem like Mr. Tuulinen is the one who's changed. He seemed to have less patience today. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7337	Posted - 2017.03.30 03:32:30 - [180] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Nah, you know that I don't think that way. If you back a demand with 'or else' though, 'or else' better not mean shiptoasting on the IGS. I do indeed, is it just me, or did this used to be more fun? Well, yeah. Definitely. Fun is in very short supply these days in both our factions. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.



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