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Charles Cambridge Schmidt The Scope Gallente Federation 418	Posted - 2017.03.26 20:46:33 - [91] - Quote I feel like if there was actually something classified or dangerous or gank-worthy on the vessels, the State would have made that very much known, especially to garner the support of those who did not support the border closing. Maybe? I honestly have no idea how anything works, so don't listen to me. I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
Saya Ishikari Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 599	Posted - 2017.03.26 20:51:29 - [92] - Quote Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote: I feel like if there was actually something classified or dangerous or gank-worthy on the vessels, the State would have made that very much known, especially to garner the support of those who did not support the border closing. Maybe? I honestly have no idea how anything works, so don't listen to me. I'd be inclined to agree. It's one of those aforementioned questions. "At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments 400	Posted - 2017.03.26 21:39:06 - [93] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Matar Ronin wrote: Pilot Jenneth apologists in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You are the living embodiment of the old saying "People who don't stand for something, will fall for anything!" Just because it makes a memorable slogan doesn't make it true, Mr. Ronin. People who do stand for something may not fall "for anything," but they're actually much easier to manipulate. You just play to what they already believe, and let their confirmation bias carry the weight of the lie. You do not truly stand for something if you can be easily manipulated. Memorable slogans don't survive for long if they are not true at least to some extent.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3028	Posted - 2017.03.26 21:53:13 - [94] - Quote Ayallah wrote: I am sure that you mean it when you say it but to everyone here that is not Caldari it just reads like You know, I can't speak for every non-Caldari here, but I'm sure glad Ayallah's here to tell me what I think of the statements from Caldari pilots in this thread.
Teinyhr Ourumur 815	Posted - 2017.03.26 22:06:56 - [95] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Ayallah wrote: I am sure that you mean it when you say it but to everyone here that is not Caldari it just reads like You know, I can't speak for every non-Caldari here, but I'm sure glad Ayallah's here to tell me what I think of the statements from Caldari pilots in this thread. Well she's not wrong in my opinion, if you wanted to hear that.
Julianus Soter Moira. Villore Accords 395	Posted - 2017.03.26 22:31:14 - [96] - Quote Ayallah wrote: To the Caldari in this thread: The brief sentences at the beginning of your posts that acknowledge this is a horrible act are completely drowned out by the pages of you then searching for explanations. I am sure that you mean it when you say it but to everyone here that is not Caldari it just reads like now five pages of Caldari blaming the Federation pre-emptively for their freighters being killed and abusing the Federation loyalists and others who are not so eager as you to 'wait and see' why 7 freighters and all their Caldari-citizen crews were wiped out. You are searching for answers, this is not bad. But attacking Federal loyalists and everyone else who wants answers is not painting the picture you think it is. That one moment you all dedicated to the horror of what has happened has become completely hollow. I do not think it is intentional but you are all doing Diana Kim's work for her. Perhaps it is time you go into private channels and search for answers amongst yourselves until we actually get them. If you care at all that you are only reinforcing everything Julianus and James are saying. It is sad to see because it is a normal reaction to look for another explanation. It is also normal to seek someone to blame. So both sides are behaving as god made us and now both sides are solidifying in their extremes. Be aware of the human nature to gloss over what you say and go directly to what they feared you would write. Thanks, Ayallah. I may not get along with your organization much, but we do agree on this basic point at least. And for my part, I will take greater care to compose my messages with a bit more forethought. The "New Eden cluster on brink of interstellar apocalypse" is wearing my few diplomatic skills a bit thin. Regards, Soter Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7312	Posted - 2017.03.26 22:48:37 - [97] - Quote I dunno. Have I 'attacked' anyone or am I asking to hear the other side of the story before I come to my own conclusion? Especially when I've been informed that it's up to me to sort this out.. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9436	Posted - 2017.03.26 22:53:12 - [98] - Quote Ayallah, very simply, I'm not sure we are reading the same thread. Tuulinen-haan, it would seem that in the eyes of those who've been badgering citizens for the past weeks, anything but full-throated denunciation is explicit endorsement of an as-yet-unexplained extension of the crisis. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 859	Posted - 2017.03.26 23:30:33 - [99] - Quote No Pieter, you have not and I thought to mention your statement as a good example but felt it was better not to begin the road of picking people out individually. Others have though. In hunting for other explanations, in preparing a strong defense, they have gone on the offense and that is the sum of the problem and argument in this thread. The extreme views have already spoken and been ignored as usual so now it is many people who very nearly agree with each other nearly to threats. And Makoto, we are reading the same thread. I said in my post that people tend to not read when they are upset or have some bias against the writer and you have done just that. Your sideways comment to Pieter just makes me tired, I am not here to fight anyone and I wonder if you are? I know that many of the Gallente pilots came here for that reason. I know for certain the Provists did. And all but the provists agree on their appraisal of the situation. But you and Arrendis dislike me, so you do not read what I say and just assume my intent from enough words to confirm that bias. It is in all of our nature to do so and it is blameless. I am only asking you to be aware of it. We can all talk past each other for days or you can just re-read what I wrote. I see the Caldari prepared to denounce the actions of Caldari Customs but looking for more information out of faith in their State. A Gallente pilot with their blood up is going to see a token gesture to reason and the beginnings of blaming the Federation or changing the narrative of what happened. I know it is not, you know it is not. But for people in the heat of the moment they will read what they fear to hear. An insult spoken at the same volume as a compliment travels twice as far. Open, clear communication and an effort to understand the other point of view is the only sure balm against the coming of war. And as much as you think I would revel in a war to weaken who you think are my enemies, I know what war brings and I do not want to see it come to anyone. People at each other's throats and non-partisain efforts to take care of people effected shutting down are just a beginning. It only becomes worse from here. As strength goes.
Matar Ronin 4134	Posted - 2017.03.26 23:41:52 - [100] - Quote How many Caldari Navy Admirals would need to convene before a statement of: "After being told to stop, the seven Quafe unarmed cargo ships all disobeyed direct communications from the Caldari Navy warships ships actively targeting them and were destroyed while attempting to cross the Caldari-Gallente border." That kind of statement leaves little doubt that although a brutal killing of defenseless cargo ships took place, they at least had a chance to avoid instant death, but instead chose not to take it. Absent such a simple and clear explanation, that would be easy to give if it had taken place, and would not risk spilling any classified information as to any other reasons why the Quafe cargo ships were exterminated like vermin, the reasonable conclusion is that no such decent human warning was issued. A simple "stop or I'll shoot" warning to seven lumbering freighters is not too much to expect from the highly trained and superbly skilled members of the Caldari Navy is it? GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 663	Posted - 2017.03.26 23:53:32 - [101] - Quote Why would anyone transport empty bottles across multiple systems through a border to fill them up with a product and then send for distribution? It's 18 jumps. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet!
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3116	Posted - 2017.03.27 00:00:09 - [102] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: You should know perfectly well that we're all tired of Kim, and that Kim is not a sound basis for policy. If anyone is not a sound basis for a policy, it is Makoto Priano. Luckily, my honor is intact, but this woman has been caught on a number of obvious lies: ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560 ) As you can see, she could never prove her slanders, nor have courage or honor to stand for them. Know whom are you speaking with, ladies and gentlemen. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
TomHorn Dragonaurs 294	Posted - 2017.03.27 00:01:04 - [103] - Quote State, doesn't just shoot down freighters for no reason. If they were told to turn back from the border and refused , then that is good enough reason to bring them down. I for one trust our Navy , Customs and Police forces to do their job competently. If it was just supply run , they should of rerouted through the Amarr Empire, its long way round, tensions are high between the two nations , border is closed. They've failed to obey orders from Customs or something prohibited has been scanned on board. If perchance somehow a terrible mistake has happened , i'm sure it will be investigated those responsible held to account. Let us have some faith in the State and our Meritocracy comrades.
Matar Ronin 4134	Posted - 2017.03.27 00:09:59 - [104] - Quote Jaret Victorian wrote: Why would anyone transport empty bottles across multiple systems through a border to fill them up with a product and then send for distribution? It's 18 jumps. It is called a business model sir. They are a very very profitable corp. Instead of questioning why a corp that has fleets of ships kept profitable by their proven business model you might want to instead pick up some pointers on how they make isk. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Matar Ronin 4134	Posted - 2017.03.27 00:12:56 - [105] - Quote Seven freighters of empty bottles, kind of boggles the mind. What kind of cash flow does Quafe enjoy if that much product is consumed. Pilots we all may be in the wrong business! GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 663	Posted - 2017.03.27 00:29:14 - [106] - Quote Matar Ronin wrote: It is called a business model sir. They are a very very profitable corp. Instead of questioning why a corp that has fleets of ships kept profitable by their proven business model you might want to instead pick up some pointers on how they make isk. Quafe is a company that is big enough to fully cover the whole production chain starting from obtaining the materials for the said bottles, to producing them and then sending them packed to a bottling plant, that's not really surprising. But why produce bottles 18 jumps away from the plant in a different state? So much paperwork and logistics headache. Seems strange to me. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet!
James Syagrius Humble Trader Company 1580	Posted - 2017.03.27 00:54:28 - [107] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Should I have started with bowing and scraping, Syagrius, while you and other nationalists insult us at every turn? No, I don't expect anything of the kind, and you donGÇÖt owe me anything. You seem to be conflating what I say with what others have said. Let us recall that you started this little tiff with a snarky insult. So please donGÇÖtGÇÖ complain if I resort to the same. What offends me about you and yours is your abject intellectual dishonesty regarding your own bias. I expect you to resort to the same rhetorical tactics time, you are indeed more predictable than gravity. Your Navy, not Ms. Kim... but your Navy, just eradicated a flotilla of Quafe freighters.... If reports are to be believed there are no survivors. I think it has gone a bit beyond a few 'radical nationalists', don't you? So please continue with the 'theories' of how it wasn't the actions of a terrorist state, but a broad conspiracy of "Federal Nationalists". When you are ready for a substantive discussion we will know it. In the mean time please continue, you are doing so well at agitating. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3032	Posted - 2017.03.27 00:58:24 - [108] - Quote Jaret Victorian wrote: Quafe is a company that is big enough to fully cover the whole production chain starting from obtaining the materials for the said bottles, to producing them and then sending them packed to a bottling plant, that's not really surprising. But why produce bottles 18 jumps away from the plant in a different state? So much paperwork and logistics headache. Seems strange to me. Simple: those freighters start off delivering Quafe to various systems in a specific constellation. Then they have to come back, empty or full. So instead of wasting all that space, Quafe offers a nominal 'redemption' value, say 0.05 ISK, on each bottle (price not accurate). This redemption value is probably less than it costs them to make the bottle. Then they stuff all those bottles in the freighters that have to get back to the bottling plants anyway, and save shipping on new bottles.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9439	Posted - 2017.03.27 01:40:31 - [109] - Quote Syagrius, when I offer theories such as that, it isn't with a statement of belief, but rather an exploration of alternative ideas. Indeed, if you look closely at my statements, you'll see that often I do specifically allude to the ambiguity of the situation, and the fact that it may very well turn out to be something worth scouring the SAF for. On the other hand, you've been quite vocal on your view that the State as an entity has obviously attempted to weaponize Kyonoke to attack the Federation, and have militated for total war on that basis, with no proof whatsoever of your unfounded belief. What's more, you have been consistent and direct in your barrage of insults, minor and major, over this affair. So, I'll be frank. Syagrius, I don't give a damn if you're offended. You're going to be offended at anything the Caldari do at this stage. Ayallah is right on one thing. People will read what they wish to read. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7314	Posted - 2017.03.27 02:23:57 - [110] - Quote The thing I find kind of disgusting is the assumption that we somehow need the Fed to be offended by the destruction of our own Citizens for us. They're State citizens. I'm already upset that we lost that many of them to some sort of tragedy (whether it be a tragedy of errors or a deliberate atrocity). I don't think anyone is happy that this has happened and I think everybody is ready for criminals to be punished, those who made mistakes to be shamed for them and for faults to be admitted to and learned from. Frankly, once I learned that these were State citizens who were dead, I was a little confused as to why the likes of James and especially Scroter were involved at all. What, exactly, is your axe to grind? It's an internal matter and we've been punishing our own criminals for a couple of centuries now. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3033	Posted - 2017.03.27 04:04:39 - [111] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I don't think anyone is happy that this has happened Have you seen Diana's posts? She's happy four thousand Caldari citizens were killed by the Caldari Navy for doing nothing illegal. Real champion of the Caldari people, there.
Matar Ronin 4142	Posted - 2017.03.27 04:04:56 - [112] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: The thing I find kind of disgusting is the assumption that we somehow need the Fed to be offended by the destruction of our own Citizens for us. They're State citizens. I'm already upset that we lost that many of them to some sort of tragedy (whether it be a tragedy of errors or a deliberate atrocity). I don't think anyone is happy that this has happened and I think everybody is ready for criminals to be punished, those who made mistakes to be shamed for them and for faults to be admitted to and learned from. Frankly, once I learned that these were State citizens who were dead, I was a little confused as to why the likes of James and especially Scroter were involved at all. What, exactly, is your axe to grind? It's an internal matter and we've been punishing our own criminals for a couple of centuries now. The scary thing is that when one of your past criminals pulled off a dynamic high visibility crime you made him your leader. You have to admit that kind of track record will cause people to look and listen with great interest when a new dynamic crime is committed. Pilot Tuulinen if your way of approaching things was the way of the CEP many outside of the State would be less tense, but your sort of grounded thoughtful patriotism is not what the State is projecting, and that is a shame indeed. On the outside we wait to see if reason or paranoia takes over in the State, while the soulless murmurs of the chants for total war gain footing and grow ever louder. I don't think the New Eden Cluster could allow another paranoid racist provist regime to run the Caldari State and it's potent war machine again, certainly many would take serious steps to abort that occurrence by any and all means available. Rightly so unfortunately. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 864	Posted - 2017.03.27 04:07:52 - [113] - Quote Lina Ambre wrote: Quafe employees, who also maintain status as corporate citizens of the Caldari State I believe the implication is that they were also Federal Citizens or Ethnically Gallente by the wording. Also implies in addition to. Quafe is the only Gallente corporation that has been given corporate status in the State so it is very likely that they were Federal citizens first. Additionally Quafe is a Gallente company as well as a Caldari one so their interests could be for their stock, basic human empathy for tragedy or fellowship for their fellow Gallente. I suspect it is because they assumed they were of the Federation by birth and right though. Regardless, they have every right to be as involved as any of us Capsuleers. As strength goes.
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 2044	Posted - 2017.03.27 05:06:16 - [114] - Quote Jaret Victorian wrote: Why would anyone transport empty bottles ? Empty Quafe classic bottles. Because that totally makes a difference. These things are important. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7318	Posted - 2017.03.27 05:06:18 - [115] - Quote Matar Ronin wrote: The scary thing is that when one of your past criminals pulled off a dynamic high visibility crime you made him your leader. You have to admit that kind of track record will cause people to look and listen with great interest when a new dynamic crime is committed. Pilot Tuulinen if your way of approaching things was the way of the CEP many outside of the State would be less tense, but your sort of grounded thoughtful patriotism is not what the State is projecting, and that is a shame indeed. On the outside we wait to see if reason or paranoia takes over in the State, while the soulless murmurs of the chants for total war gain footing and grow ever louder. I don't think the New Eden Cluster could allow another paranoid racist provist regime to run the Caldari State and it's potent war machine again, certainly many would take serious steps to abort that occurrence by any and all means available. Rightly so unfortunately. Well, let's address these in the order you brought them up. Tibus Heth was not a criminal when he became leader of the State, he committed crimes WHILE he was leader of the State. He was then removed from office for those crimes. Whilst it's become fashionable to see him as some sort of facist dictator, he was not, in fact such. He was trying to become some sort of dictator when he was removed from office for the attempt and he was never facist - merely populist. Secondly, my form of Patriotism is the patriotism of the heart. There is no need for me to simplify and amplify that message, because I'm speaking with peers and my position is not bound in with my reputation. When one is a leader of a people, messaging and branding become a lot more important - I doubt any of the leaders of the State or any other faction of New Eden hold politics so simple or extreme as their public positions. It's easy for me to be the acceptable face of the Patriot bloc because I have no skin in the game of pretending to be anything other than I am. Thirdly, Jaijii had very little to do with Heth's rise to power and very little to do with his inevitable fall. These things were Caldari choices. Will the Caldari choose to elevate another populist, centrist candidate? Another provist? No. I don't think so - although I'll admit that ratchetting tensions with the Federation always makes this more likely rather than less likely. Of course a return to an extremist State would suit certain groups of people - not all of them within the State. I hope people bear that in mind when deciding what sort of actions to support. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Pieter Tuulinen Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 7318	Posted - 2017.03.27 05:11:44 - [116] - Quote Ayallah wrote: ]I believe the implication is that they were also Federal Citizens or Ethnically Gallente by the wording. Also implies in addition to. Quafe is the only Gallente corporation that has been given corporate status in the State so it is very likely that they were Federal citizens first. Additionally Quafe is a Gallente company as well as a Caldari one so their interests could be for their stock, basic human empathy for tragedy or fellowship for their fellow Gallente. I suspect it is because they assumed they were of the Federation by birth and right though. Regardless, they have every right to be as involved as any of us Capsuleers. If they were simply ethnically Gallente citizens of the State then that merits nothing more than a shrug from me. We have Citizens who are from many ethnicities - Civire, Deteis, Achur, Jin-Mei, Mannar, Intaki, Gallente and others. If they were actually dual-citizenship persons then I have to admit the idea makes me throw up in my mouth a little. How can you claim to be loyal to the State AND the Federation when the two are at odds so freaking often? But then, I never was a Quafe drinker. In fact the term was always a bit of an insult among my sibkin. I won't name the brand I prefer, but let's just say I prefer to drink mine cold. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 867	Posted - 2017.03.27 06:03:12 - [117] - Quote I doubt their share your black and white ideals of the State if they are Federal citizens Pieter. It was likely just a merit or requirement of working at their job for them. They could all be Archuran though, we simply do not know that much only that they worked for Quafe and that makes them corporate citizens in the State. For most non-Caldai baseliners a job is just a job and not synonymous with nation like it is for you. Imagine how you can be a KK citizen but still be contracted to Ishukone I guess. As strength goes.
Matar Ronin 4144	Posted - 2017.03.27 08:07:23 - [118] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Matar Ronin wrote: The scary thing is that when one of your past criminals pulled off a dynamic high visibility crime you made him your leader. You have to admit that kind of track record will cause people to look and listen with great interest when a new dynamic crime is committed. Pilot Tuulinen if your way of approaching things was the way of the CEP many outside of the State would be less tense, but your sort of grounded thoughtful patriotism is not what the State is projecting, and that is a shame indeed. On the outside we wait to see if reason or paranoia takes over in the State, while the soulless murmurs of the chants for total war gain footing and grow ever louder. I don't think the New Eden Cluster could allow another paranoid racist provist regime to run the Caldari State and it's potent war machine again, certainly many would take serious steps to abort that occurrence by any and all means available. Rightly so unfortunately. Well, let's address these in the order you brought them up. Tibus Heth was not a criminal when he became leader of the State, Silly me I thought that whole take over of the foundry was not quite in line with Caldari laws. It is a deeply sad thing when even reasonable sounding people rewrite the past to suit their needs instead of being true to the well known facts. Tibus Heth was a racist criminal when he rose to power and was still a racist criminal when he was driven from power and fled with his tail between his legs like a cowardly cur. You might look backwards with rose colored glasses but for those of us who are clear eyed the facts of his rise and fall don't change with our needs of the moment, they are and will remain, what they are. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Jev North Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group 733	Posted - 2017.03.27 08:17:48 - [119] - Quote The Matari uprising wasn't quite in line with the laws of the Empire, either; what are we even talking about? I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
Kolodi Ramal Sanxing 410	Posted - 2017.03.27 09:23:43 - [120] - Quote Jev North wrote: The Matari uprising wasn't quite in line with the laws of the Empire, either; what are we even talking about? 1. "It's an internal matter and we've been punishing our own criminals for a couple of centuries now." - Tuulinen 2. "The scary thing is that when one of your past criminals pulled off a dynamic high visibility crime you made him your leader. You have to admit that kind of track record will cause people to look and listen with great interest when a new dynamic crime is committed." - Ronin 3. "Tibus Heth was not a criminal when he became leader of the State, he committed crimes WHILE he was leader of the State." - Tuulinen 4. "In the State, Civil Disobedience is still Disobedience. Non-Compliance with law is not tolerated. Compliance will be enforced. That is all." - also Tuulinen 5. "Reports are coming in from the Caldari State that three Caldari Constructions factories in the Piak, Aikantoh, and Litiura systems have been seized by rioting workers." - the news in YC110 6. "Silly me I thought that whole take over of the foundry was not quite in line with Caldari laws." - Ronin

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