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Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.05.15 16:47:00 - [481] Originally by: Lord Frost You see Ki An... a balance to fix everything... your whine loses. So sorry. So sad. Maybe if you keep whining, CCP will see selfish unfrair ganking grief greed as part of your selfish agenda and justify it. ROFL!!!! How big you must feel now that CCP once again caves in to the carebear whines. Doesn't it just make you want to run and hug everyone? /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2007.05.15 16:59:00 - [482] Originally by: Ki An How big you must feel now that CCP once again caves in to the carebear whines. Doesn't it just make you want to run and hug everyone? /Ki Actually, this game is always in development, so they never caved in, they just made balance. However, I'm quite sure you'll be the first to find the new and improved way to gank and grief. A way that once again tips the scale on game mechanics. Take my advice, move your life to 0.0... don't be so lazy... and actually play Eve.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.05.15 17:10:00 - [483] Originally by: Lord Frost Actually, this game is always in development, so they never caved in, they just made balance. However, I'm quite sure you'll be the first to find the new and improved way to gank and grief. A way that once again tips the scale on game mechanics. I'll sure as hell try After all, can't let you carebears feel like you carried the day. The griefing will go on. Originally by: Lord Frost Take my advice, move your life to 0.0... don't be so lazy... and actually play Eve. Lol, that's rich coming from you... /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Angellyne	Posted - 2007.05.15 17:22:00 - [484] Gotta love the irony. "Freighters now drop loot!" (CCP caves in to whiny pirates.) "Ganking freighters is a little more difficult!" (CCP caves in to whiny carebears.) It'd sure be refreshing to see you egomaniacs wake up and realize CCP is actually trying to BALANCE the game. That is, as you all would say it, caving in to all whiners equally. Because, and I'm making a big assumption here, CCP probably wants to see players of all kinds relatively happy with their Eve experience.
Shakeera	Posted - 2007.05.15 17:35:00 - [485] I am sorry your freighter got popped... but from one miner to the next here is what I did. Parked my freighter. Put all my minerals on market well above average price. (and I do mean above the lowest sellers). Sat back and watched my isk climb. 1 thing to note... I had quantity over the lowest seller. :P Thank you gank squad. Stop Crying and fight back. Raise the price of your minerals.
Calel Caldari S.H.I.E.L.D Co.	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:00:00 - [486] Originally by: Kanitsu Hiyaboosa Originally by: Calel Edited by: Calel on 15/05/2007 12:48:55 Stuff Hey bud, great post and i respect your view, But see it from our point of view, Every time we see one of these big fat ships is just screaming at us to blow it up, thats where we get our rush, To be honest its human nature to destroy things, the bigger the better. I know all you want to do is play your game and solo along, thats fine, but FTs just have to take into account that nowhere is full 100% safe in eve, and to change the game mechs u will end with just another WOW, yes thats right WOW , and we know how GHaY that game is. This my friend is why we play EVE .. and love it sooooo dearly. Simple numbers.... work out the hurt taken to the hurt dealt.. something sooner or later is gunna go boom. I understand that, but at least support the idea that if you want to get the rush from making a freighter go boom, at least let the experience be returned and give the freighter pilot a chance to watch a few of you go boom. Try to imagine the rush we get as we watch our asset go up in smoke and there's not even a single module you can click to prevent it. Basically you just have to turn the monitor off, go make a cup of tea and try to work out how many roids your going to have to have to mine over the next 6 months to try and recoup the the loss that was taken from you in 40 seconds. Once you've done that you can switch the monitor back on and go clone. Then of course you will start to wonder if the hard work to get the damn ship back is actually worth it. You'll come to the conclusion its not as it will only happen again. Some people are coming up with great ideas for freighter defence, but the other problem is even with defences you wouldnt be able to use the autopilot and to be honest, if I wanted to sit at the helm during an agonising 30+ jumps in a ship that takes over a minute to even start to warp, I'd be better re-thinking my RL career and becoming a long distance lory driver. No one would try to blow me up then and I'd actually get paid for it. S.H.I.E.L.D Co. Space Haulage, Interstellar Exploration & Logistical Distribution
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:12:00 - [487] Originally by: Shakeera I am sorry your freighter got popped... but from one miner to the next here is what I did. Parked my freighter. Put all my minerals on market well above average price. (and I do mean above the lowest sellers). Sat back and watched my isk climb. 1 thing to note... I had quantity over the lowest seller. :P Thank you gank squad. Stop Crying and fight back. Raise the price of your minerals. Oh noes! My precious Mineral Prices! SKUNK
Thesas Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.05.16 00:12:00 - [488] It seems that all of this talk of freighters in high sec is a symptom of a mechanic that has not been addressed as yet. Yes this latest change will alleviate the current uproar in high sec but the root cause is still there. The freighters will continue to operate in high sec under Concord protection which, as I understand it, was never the intention. Why? The fact that freighters and probably other trades operate out of high sec begs the question. While glib answers to that question are easy, it seems that the actual mechanic that results in this is more complex. What condition in low sec makes it prohibitively difficult for freighters to live there? Surely it is more complex than just saying,öwell, they shoot at us in low sec.ö No doubt some would say that people like the easy life that high sec protections might offer, but I wonder if that is the root motivating factor. With all of this recent debate over freighters being victimized, and the many assertions of how difficult it is to protect a freighter, how would one operate a freighter business in low sec? I may be new to Eve but I understand the logistics of running business. The idea of armed escorts and scouts is workable in the short term, but over time that need would motivate the capitalist to seek other employment. The logistics do not seem to be sustainable in the long term. I can hear the argument now, ôjoin a corpö yet so many people do not do so and continue to operate in high sec. Many are in corps, but perhaps their corp is unable to provide the protections needed? This state of affairs causes much resentment to be directed at the npc corps which are largely new players. CCP is acting in a manner that will make a better Eve for the new player, yet the resentments aimed at npc corps will continue due to the advanced playerÆs continuation in npc corps for the perceived security they provide. A solution occurs to me.. A new class of capital ship.. the battle freighter, confined to low sec exclusively. Think about it.
Necrosmith Gallente Eth3real 3asy Company	Posted - 2007.05.16 00:24:00 - [489] This man speaks the truth. Different tools for different jobs. My freighter hauls scordite. My transport hauls t2 stuff. Anyone fool enough to lose 30 domis over 900m^3 of scordite will have me laughing at them. Originally by: Malcanis "Players should be able to avoid pvp if they so desire." Non-consensual PvP is explicitly a part of EVE, by the deliberate design of the developers. It says so right there in the FAQ. So you are quite simply wrong on this point. If you can fly a freighter you can also easily skill for Transports, which can fit quite a few modules, and use those to move the high-value items. Reserve the freighter for it's intended purpose of carrying a sufficient bulk of relatively low value items to make the trip worthwhile. Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."
Necrosmith Gallente Eth3real 3asy Company	Posted - 2007.05.16 00:27:00 - [490] The battle freighter? Isn't that kind of oxymoronic? What's next? The Carnival Cruise ship of Death? Originally by: Thesas A new class of capital ship.. the battle freighter, confined to low sec exclusively. Think about it. Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."
Saori Rei Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.05.16 02:52:00 - [491] I don't like frieghter suicide ganking. I personally believe that such PvP can be left out of Empire. I'd be absolutely distraught if I lost 5bil + is 38 seconds. The solution is very very simple in my book. One solitary low slot that can't fit a cargo expander. In this one slot put the best damage control you can manage. You now survive one minute and sixteen seconds. And on remote hull repping... chuckles 120 hull repair per 30 seconds? And HOW much hull does a Frieghter have? Enough that for a battle, a few ships won't make a difference with remote hull reps.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.16 05:36:00 - [492] Originally by: Lord Frost You are quite ignorant in that statement. I never said Eve was 100% safe and as a matter of fact what YOU think Eve is... couldn't be anymore of a wrong definition. Eve is about Empires... plain and simple. Its about taking a path you choose and making it the best as you can. Eve is about production, building, expanding, developing... its about community, gangs, fighting, defending, owning, working together... its about the market, the exploration, the excitment, the need for more! LOL... its not about petty lame grief tactic thieves. That, my wise apprentice, is just the negative role that comes with any MMORPG. Its part of Eve, but its in now way what Eve is. I suggest you quit wasting everyones time. You're just the soup of the day. By tomorrow, you and your alt will be forgotten. theres more than just thief that i mentioned your standing with this freighter issue is that they should be 100% safe and uh.. whos my alt ? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.16 05:39:00 - [493] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Lord Frost You see Ki An... a balance to fix everything... your whine loses. So sorry. So sad. Maybe if you keep whining, CCP will see selfish unfrair ganking grief greed as part of your selfish agenda and justify it. ROFL!!!! How big you must feel now that CCP once again caves in to the carebear whines. Doesn't it just make you want to run and hug everyone? /Ki its futile arguing with him he wants to make this game into communism you cant be selfish ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Ja'kar Templar Securities and Holdings	Posted - 2007.05.18 01:35:00 - [494] This man has said it the best... I'm tired of easy loophole ganks followed by the arrogant name callings, like 'carebear'. If you want to gank and if you think you are such a man, then why take the easy road that involves exploting unintended game mechanics to your advantage? Who's the real pansy here? Not the carebear who is working hard to produce and play a legit role in this game. You my friend, the ganker galore, are nothing but a lazy pansy. No offense, but I'd rather be a hardworking industrialist, than a lazy griefer who gets his thrills weeny tactics. A carebear trol with a stupid name
frihetskjemper	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:50:00 - [495] Originally by: Almente Edited by: Almente on 07/05/2007 00:20:08 Originally by: Dolika A screenie of my cargo? Have you got a linky? Dolika, you are a the lucky one, thought I lost it, but I found it in my corp chat logs - I just worned our corp guys: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0705/2007.05.01.19.26.04.jpg So... What do you think about it? Dolika has lots isk to afford this and how do i make that isk?
Mrmuttley Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:00:00 - [496] Necro FTL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Time for a new Sig. Any Ideas?
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:17:00 - [497] I got an interesting question as I saw suicide ganking brought up earlier in the thread (Take this as semi serious, maybe a little condescending) How is it that tanking CONCORD is illegal but suicide ganking isnt? Yer still getting around the punishment... yeah yer losing a ship but the suicide ganker doesnt care, as they were in there TO lose a ahip. Maybe CONCORD should insta spawn instead of taking a few secs to show up... then they could really be the demigods they are kinda portrayed as (cant be killed, cant be tanked...)... And no comparisons to the IRL cops unless in your town the IRL cops show up and bust a cap in the guy thats guilty (and they know who is guilty somehow every time). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. We have never, nor will we ever, hack, ddos, or otherwise use OUT OF GAME means to gain ANY advantage.- Dianabolic
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:24:00 - [498] Originally by: Richard Aiel I got an interesting question as I saw suicide ganking brought up earlier in the thread (Take this as semi serious, maybe a little condescending) How is it that tanking CONCORD is illegal but suicide ganking isnt? Yer still getting around the punishment... yeah yer losing a ship but the suicide ganker doesnt care, as they were in there TO lose a ahip. Meh, you're not really getting around the rules - the rule is that if CONCORD shows up, you lose your ship. Whether losing your ship is important or not is not covered by the punishment and shouldn't be. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
yourmate nate	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:29:00 - [499] lo Trading 'as we know it' died when freighters entered the game. Just like dreads or carriers, freighters should not be allowed into high-sec. Kind regards yourmate nate
Mal Loc	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:17:00 - [500] Originally by: Dolika I hope everyone here understands this will mean higher prices of T2 items everywhere because people that provide the items to the markets and thus help keep prices down will just stop hauling **** around and sell where they produce which means more travel and more legwork ( more strain on the servers) for everyone. Rejoice Actually, I think it means the exact opposite. Yes, people will be less inclined to transport T2 items in build which will result in a less centralized market. But a de-centralized market will actually mean less strain on the servers. What puts strain on the servers is many people on one node, which is the case when the market is centralized in places like Jita. If anything, hi-sec freighter ganking could help the load balancing issues by de-centralizing the markets and stopping the Jita effect. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Eldo Davip ([email protected])
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:22:00 - [501] Originally by: yourmate nate Trading 'as we know it' died when freighters entered the game. Just like dreads or carriers, freighters should not be allowed into high-sec. I would very much appreciate it if you elaborated on this. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
frihetskjemper	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:12:00 - [502] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: yourmate nate Trading 'as we know it' died when freighters entered the game. Just like dreads or carriers, freighters should not be allowed into high-sec. I would very much appreciate it if you elaborated on this. Maybe he mean when small trader can not find good transport road when big trader take many item for small profit and make reward with no effort?
frihetskjemper	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:01:00 - [503] Originally by: Mal Loc Originally by: Dolika I hope everyone here understands this will mean higher prices of T2 items everywhere because people that provide the items to the markets and thus help keep prices down will just stop hauling **** around and sell where they produce which means more travel and more legwork ( more strain on the servers) for everyone. Rejoice Actually, I think it means the exact opposite. Yes, people will be less inclined to transport T2 items in build which will result in a less centralized market. But a de-centralized market will actually mean less strain on the servers. What puts strain on the servers is many people on one node, which is the case when the market is centralized in places like Jita. If anything, hi-sec freighter ganking could help the load balancing issues by de-centralizing the markets and stopping the Jita effect. Market hub exists when many players go there not when big ships fly.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:02:00 - [504] FFS BAN HIM ALREADY Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
frihetskjemper	Posted - 2007.07.26 20:08:00 - [505] Originally by: Richard Aiel I got an interesting question as I saw suicide ganking brought up earlier in the thread (Take this as semi serious, maybe a little condescending) How is it that tanking CONCORD is illegal but suicide ganking isnt? Yer still getting around the punishment... yeah yer losing a ship but the suicide ganker doesnt care, as they were in there TO lose a ahip. Maybe CONCORD should insta spawn instead of taking a few secs to show up... then they could really be the demigods they are kinda portrayed as (cant be killed, cant be tanked...)... And no comparisons to the IRL cops unless in your town the IRL cops show up and bust a cap in the guy thats guilty (and they know who is guilty somehow every time). Tank to CONCORD mean you not get punishment must come.
frihetskjemper	Posted - 2007.07.26 22:23:00 - [506] Originally by: yourmate nate lo Trading 'as we know it' died when freighters entered the game. Just like dreads or carriers, freighters should not be allowed into high-sec. Kind regards yourmate nate They are working correct.
morgannax	Posted - 2007.07.27 00:03:00 - [507] i posted in another thread let freighters have a slot for L armor repper and cap charge and whatabout making the sentry guns stronger and having them target the offending ships,or maybe put in another few guns
frihetskjemper	Posted - 2007.07.27 02:29:00 - [508] Originally by: morgannax i posted in another thread let freighters have a slot for L armor repper and cap charge and whatabout making the sentry guns stronger and having them target the offending ships,or maybe put in another few guns Other item would fit under slot.
Arbitrus's Brother	Posted - 2007.08.17 06:24:00 - [509] Edited by: Arbitrus''s Brother on 17/08/2007 06:24:31 lol, thats funny whoops, alt post >.<
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.17 07:36:00 - [510] Necro: we already know the fix to this. remove insurance payouts if you are concordokenned. you got that CCP? ----------------------------------------------- "Yes... I sleep with my myrmidon. It's nothing to be ashamed of!"

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