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Dungheap Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.04 19:21:00 - [1] after downtime today, sovereignty of the zs-2lt system in eastern feyth changed from Intrepid Crossing to Digital Renegades. five days ago, dfc corp. of digital renegades, aided by a bob fleet, laid seige to the system. freighters were jumped bridged in to a single existing bob pos, and large towers were spammed. this morning dfc began attacking the station with a small number of battleships and fighter support from two carriers. as intrepid crossing pilots began logging in, numbers in system evened up and the attack was repelled. stalemate ensued, with both sides warping in and out taking minimal losses. dfc cyno'd in 5 more carriers, bringing their number to 7 in system. about ten RISE pilots also entered the system, giving alliance forces a slight edge in numbers. intrepid crossing responded by cyno'ing in carriers from the neighboring db1-r4 system, bringing cap ship numbers about even. a concerted attack on the station was responded to by intrepid crossing jumping their carriers and support ships to the station, engaging the mixed bs, support, and fighters of dfc and rise. the battle was brought to an abrupt halt, as bob cyno'd in two motherships and approximately 6 carriers directly onto the station grid. intrepid crossing forces were driven off with losses including one nidhoggur carrier. the station fell to bob, who promptly handed it over to digital renegades. 2007.05.04 17:08 Solar System: ZS-2LT Conquered Corporation: Dragon's Rage Conquering Corporation: Reikoku a brief and uncharacteristic smackfest ensued, as Dragon's Rage pilots expressed frustration at the loss of the station they built, and at dfc's inability to take the station without bob support. dfc pilots responded to this attack on their piloting skills, citing an edge in killboard stats throughout the last week's fighting. in today's action, dfc's killboard shows about 17 kills, including 3 bs's and the nid. ic board tallies 10 kills, 5 of them bs's. both sides lost numerous fighters as well. this is my account only of the happenings, numbers and point-of view may differ. gf, dfc. and rise, as ever.
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.05.04 19:35:00 - [2] That's a fair summary of events and the smack from all who partook was completely unnecessary and should be kept to WoW where it belongs. __________________________________
Aelena Thraant Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.04 19:36:00 - [3] Wait a minute... I thought BoB was at a stalemate downsouth and/or loosing ground... hrm... Well.. Good job BoB and friends... I guess you are second guessing switching sides now....
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.05.04 19:49:00 - [4] I take my hat off to Intrepid, and I believe a few of my corp mates will too. Quality act, and that they got blobbed into submission by the predictable and bloodless bob cap zerg, in no way reflects their ability or determination. (just imo ;))
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.04 19:57:00 - [5] Quote: Wait a minute... I thought BoB was at a stalemate downsouth and/or loosing ground... hrm... Good job BoB and friends... I guess you are second guessing switching sides now.... The most interesting thing about the ZS and DB1 situation is that it moved to mass POS spamming. It certainly threw us for a loop but we have adapted and strive to fight on. Let me preface my next comments with the fact they are my own opinion and I do not speak for AWE or IRC as member of HC. Now, as far as second guessing? Not in the least. Dragons Rage and AWE corporation built the two stations in ZS and DB1. As the ASCN war wound down we were in a "fight to the end" mode and as such left all of our assets in the area. The last days of the war happened very fast with most of ASCN taking deals to leave the area or having left the area earier. An offer was made to keep our stations and as a result our rather large amount of assets, for a price in the billions of ISK per month. We essentially had a gun to our heads if we wanted to keep our assets. Our HC made the right call, pay the blood money until we can get ourselves organized enough to re-assert our sovereignty and stop paying the blood money. Our deal was simply to hand over ISK for living in our personally built stations, it never included a pledge of loyalty or some agreement that we would be part of "the BOB empire". As anyone who has had a conquering enemy move in understands, when the opportunity to free yourselves shows up, you take it. We took ours. We knew BOB would come. There is no regret, none, regardless of how things turn out. We will not live as renters, slaves or meat shields. We have been fighting and will continue to fight to the last ship, POS and ISK. Win, lose or draw, IRC to a member understands that in EVE there are real consequences to choices and we fully accept them. It is what makes EVE great. This weekend should prove to be interesting, good luck to all involved.
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:04:00 - [6] That fight sounds pretty grate. But this is a little grater.
Commander Solo Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:12:00 - [7] I think everyone can agree that it was a good fight and everyone had a laugh. You brought it and respect for that. The smack in local was unfortunate, but I can understand your frustration in being sieged by an alliance half your size, while being incapable of removing us from your space. I just hope that in our future engagements you are able to forget your frustrations and keep the smack to a minimum. See you in space.
Queen News Gallente Queen News Corp	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:19:00 - [8] So what your saying is BoB and Friends take even more stations. Where is this great train at.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:20:00 - [9] Edited by: Farham on 04/05/2007 20:17:03 Quote: but I can understand your frustration in being sieged by an alliance half your size, I really don't mean to sound disrespectful but lets be honest, you aren't the issue in our current situation and you know it. Our hands are mostly tied knowing the BOB is ready to jump in Motherships, Dreds and Titan support on a moments notice. This drastically changes our options in how we fight with you all. The station take this morning sums up exactly what I am referring to.
SuneRai	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:21:00 - [10] woah there a second comander solo. Please, keep the 'hidden' smack out of this as well. You can't in one statement say someone needs not to smack, and then toss in there a little jab of your own. Fights have been fun and well played on both sides, however your statement of "an alliance half your size" isn't exactly true. On the whole yes you alliance might be smaller, however look at the fights. BOB and RISE have both supported in most battles in which there has been a decisive victory. With those two backing you when you get your backs pressed against the wall, you easily outnumber what we can throw onto the field. However we take this in stride and do what we can do. Those who smacked talked in local should fracking know better and just keep their mouths shut. The battle is far from over, and no. The alliance has no regrets in taking the course of action that we did.

Rancid Beef Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:24:00 - [11] Edited by: Rancid Beef on 04/05/2007 20:21:30 Bob Cap Zerg? According to our killboard there were 7 cap ships involved, 6 of them carriers and 1 mothership. Only the mother and one of the carriers belonged to BoB. 3 were RISE caps and 2 were DR caps. The entire rest of the support fleet was RISE and DR, not one BoB. This is how the Alliance operates though, we work together. While a member of the "Coalition" was actually losing it's home space, the rest of the southern Coalition made sure they ran the 10/10 plex in GHZ a mere 12 jumps away though ! \o/ W3wt phAt l00tz! We are enemies granted, but I do respect Intrepid Crossing. That is why I find it upsetting that why they are literally fighting tooth and nail versus the Alliance, the so called Coalition just left them out to dry. But by all means please keep trying to remove RISE from Feyth, maybe one day the Coalition will see the light. We contracted with BoB to move here. We MOVED here to SHOOT you. We moved our entire alliance 60+ jumps to shoot you. The more you come into Feyth for us to shoot you, the happier we are. "These Coalition we wasted here today are the finest human beings we will ever know. After we rotate back to the world, we're gonna miss hot having anyone around that's worth shooting." "A friend of death, a brother of luck, and a s.o.b."
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:25:00 - [12] Many of the BoB pets are real brave with big brother standing behind them. -------------------------------------
Blitz'Krieg Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:26:00 - [13] To me this is the one reason why i think BoB should be stopped. Tbh i like BoB and respect their skills but the sweepingaway of built up assets by "conquer and rent" tactics can make this game go nowhere for me. When smaller alliances are bullied out of existance simply for a profit regardless of anything else i simply dont like it. It doesn't promote a healthy approach to the game because why would you work and slave away in order to build something that is going to be taken away so easy. Once again i will state my firm belief that capital ships will ruin the game.
Rancid Beef Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:26:00 - [14] I'm sure you know were RIT is Natmav. "A friend of death, a brother of luck, and a s.o.b."
Aelena Thraant Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Farham Quote: Wait a minute... I thought BoB was at a stalemate downsouth and/or loosing ground... hrm... Good job BoB and friends... I guess you are second guessing switching sides now.... The most interesting thing about the ZS and DB1 situation is that it moved to mass POS spamming. It certainly threw us for a loop but we have adapted and strive to fight on. Let me preface my next comments with the fact they are my own opinion and I do not speak for AWE or IRC as member of HC. Now, as far as second guessing? Not in the least. Dragons Rage and AWE corporation built the two stations in ZS and DB1. As the ASCN war wound down we were in a "fight to the end" mode and as such left all of our assets in the area. The last days of the war happened very fast with most of ASCN taking deals to leave the area or having left the area earier. An offer was made to keep our stations and as a result our rather large amount of assets, for a price in the billions of ISK per month. We essentially had a gun to our heads if we wanted to keep our assets. Our HC made the right call, pay the blood money until we can get ourselves organized enough to re-assert our sovereignty and stop paying the blood money. Our deal was simply to hand over ISK for living in our personally built stations, it never included a pledge of loyalty or some agreement that we would be part of "the BOB empire". As anyone who has had a conquering enemy move in understands, when the opportunity to free yourselves shows up, you take it. We took ours. We knew BOB would come. There is no regret, none, regardless of how things turn out. We will not live as renters, slaves or meat shields. We have been fighting and will continue to fight to the last ship, POS and ISK. Win, lose or draw, IRC to a member understands that in EVE there are real consequences to choices and we fully accept them. It is what makes EVE great. This weekend should prove to be interesting, good luck to all involved. I can't say I don't blame you... However I think you could have made a deal to get your stuff out instead of paying for the stations. I can say that we don't pay any rent and some might consider us meat shields.... However we love to fight so it doesn't matter to me... TBH I don't know your guys since we've lived in Fountain since October and the baddies always seam to come to us... I'm sure there will be some nice fights and loosing stations that you work hard for sucks... However I do respect you guys for fighting... though I don't respect you switching sides like you did.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:37:00 - [16] Quote: However I think you could have made a deal to get your stuff out instead of paying for the stations. Those stations are assets in our eyes as well. At the time they were built they were built when both corps were much smaller then they are now (and even now we aren't huge). A lot of work and time went into them. The "side" we ultimately ended up on really has nothing to do with EVE or CAOD politics. It was pretty much black and white...one side makes us pay for what we view as ours, one doesn't.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:42:00 - [17] Originally by: NATMav Many of the BoB pets are real brave with big brother standing behind them. This is rich comming from EAC. How long would your alliance last without your northern NAP friends?
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Aelena Thraant ...though I don't respect you switching sides like you did. They rebelled against the "ebil empire" I mean, u must be insane not to respect that
Dungheap Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Rancid Beef Edited by: Rancid Beef on 04/05/2007 20:21:30 Bob Cap Zerg? According to our killboard there were 7 cap ships involved, 6 of them carriers and 1 mothership. Only the mother and one of the carriers belonged to BoB. 3 were RISE caps and 2 were DR caps. The entire rest of the support fleet was RISE and DR, not one BoB. .... Rancid, i'm eve-mailing you a link showing two bob m.ships on one of our losses. you are right about the bulk of carrier reinforcements belonging to rise, however. tnx for correcting me.
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:58:00 - [20] I can't even tell what thread i'm reading these days. It's like they all bleed together. Nice battlereport, sounds like it was good fun. ------------------------

Alkarz Minmatar Research Iniative	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Farham Quote: However I think you could have made a deal to get your stuff out instead of paying for the stations. Those stations are assets in our eyes as well. At the time they were built they were built when both corps were much smaller then they are now (and even now we aren't huge). A lot of work and time went into them. The "side" we ultimately ended up on really has nothing to do with EVE or CAOD politics. It was pretty much black and white...one side makes us pay for what we view as ours, one doesn't. They werent your asset, they were bobs once you started paying them to live there, im not suprised that youve lost the stations and am only suprised it took this long, i spent 5 weeks in dragons rage and never before have i seen such a lack of communication in alliance chat dont recall it ever flashing too, you dont speak to each other and do plenty to hinder each other( i once remember Dragons rage members placing bubbles up on the gate when AWE was bringing a freighter convoy down, and them all laughting on vent to put more down) You beleived bob was getting its backsides kicked so you struck a deal with goonies and co and so you started claiming squatters rights. Now bob have kicked you out, where are these people you struck a deal with?
jnky Obsidian Inc. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:03:00 - [22] gratz dfc, DB1 is a sweet sys for ratting
Blood Thorn Minmatar AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Aelena Thraant I can't say I don't blame you... However I think you could have made a deal to get your stuff out instead of paying for the stations. I can say that we don't pay any rent and some might consider us meat shields.... However we love to fight so it doesn't matter to me... TBH I don't know your guys since we've lived in Fountain since October and the baddies always seam to come to us... I'm sure there will be some nice fights and loosing stations that you work hard for sucks... However I do respect you guys for fighting... though I don't respect you switching sides like you did. Once again, we did not switch sides. We do not run to to CAOD to post smack, brag about victories, or even to relay events that are taking place in or near our systems. Why? It's about respect. Respect for your friends, respect for your enemies. The few times we do post a summary is when there has been some EPIC fighting that is worth noting. Hense our previous posts regarding some of our fights with RISE. These fights are a small percentage of the great fights we have had that were never mentioned anywhere. We have no desire to entertain those who choose to not venture into 0.0, and for those who are in 0.0, knowledge is power, guard it well. Oh man, now I'm quoting a *game*, so it must be time to go. I'll leave with this: the fight for our systems is far from over. ----- Let the galaxy burn
Slayton Ford Kudzu Collective Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Rancid Beef But by all means please keep trying to remove RISE from Feyth, maybe one day the Coalition will see the light. We contracted with BoB to move here. We MOVED here to SHOOT you. We moved our entire alliance 60+ jumps to shoot you. The more you come into Feyth for us to shoot you, the happier we are. No this is a bunch of BS. Rise moved to RIT/etc because its a nice deadend constellation w/ 3 outposts and a 10/10. Of course that does come with a extensive RENT doesnt it? Oh wait, the Reds were actually farming your own complex from under you to the point where you couldn't even pay BoB the monthly rent on it.
Theladder	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Alkarz Originally by: Farham Quote: However I think you could have made a deal to get your stuff out instead of paying for the stations. Those stations are assets in our eyes as well. At the time they were built they were built when both corps were much smaller then they are now (and even now we aren't huge). A lot of work and time went into them. The "side" we ultimately ended up on really has nothing to do with EVE or CAOD politics. It was pretty much black and white...one side makes us pay for what we view as ours, one doesn't. They werent your asset, they were bobs once you started paying them to live there, im not suprised that youve lost the stations and am only suprised it took this long, i spent 5 weeks in dragons rage and never before have i seen such a lack of communication in alliance chat dont recall it ever flashing too, you dont speak to each other and do plenty to hinder each other( i once remember Dragons rage members placing bubbles up on the gate when AWE was bringing a freighter convoy down, and them all laughting on vent to put more down) You beleived bob was getting its backsides kicked so you struck a deal with goonies and co and so you started claiming squatters rights. Now bob have kicked you out, where are these people you struck a deal with? Were you a DR member O_o... how come that I dont remember u at all then lmao GF btw :)
Fabrice Enchante Gallente Active Measures	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Blitz'Krieg To me this is the one reason why i think BoB should be stopped. Tbh i like BoB and respect their skills but the sweepingaway of built up assets by "conquer and rent" tactics can make this game go nowhere for me. When smaller alliances are bullied out of existance simply for a profit regardless of anything else i simply dont like it. It doesn't promote a healthy approach to the game because why would you work and slave away in order to build something that is going to be taken away so easy. Once again i will state my firm belief that capital ships will ruin the game. Sounds like you should form a coalition or something to fight them. ================<ACTME>======================= Solutions to problems require Active Measures.
Aidelon Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:12:00 - [27] There's been some good fighting going on. Looking forword to more. Always love fighting rise. we're matched up well and both sides just have tons of fun. That's what it's all about.
Malachi Nu'shemn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Slayton Ford No this is a bunch of BS. Rise moved to RIT/etc because its a nice deadend constellation w/ 3 outposts and a 10/10. Of course that does come with a extensive RENT doesnt it? Oh wait, the Reds were actually farming your own complex from under you to the point where you couldn't even pay BoB the monthly rent on it. Don't believe the hype. Poor spying ftl. Sounds like I missed a good fight Well done!
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:44:00 - [29] Edited by: Shardrael on 04/05/2007 22:41:24 Originally by: Aelena Thraant Originally by: Farham Quote: Wait a minute... I thought BoB was at a stalemate downsouth and/or loosing ground... hrm... Good job BoB and friends... I guess you are second guessing switching sides now.... The most interesting thing about the ZS and DB1 situation is that it moved to mass POS spamming. It certainly threw us for a loop but we have adapted and strive to fight on. Let me preface my next comments with the fact they are my own opinion and I do not speak for AWE or IRC as member of HC. Now, as far as second guessing? Not in the least. Dragons Rage and AWE corporation built the two stations in ZS and DB1. As the ASCN war wound down we were in a "fight to the end" mode and as such left all of our assets in the area. The last days of the war happened very fast with most of ASCN taking deals to leave the area or having left the area earier. An offer was made to keep our stations and as a result our rather large amount of assets, for a price in the billions of ISK per month. We essentially had a gun to our heads if we wanted to keep our assets. Our HC made the right call, pay the blood money until we can get ourselves organized enough to re-assert our sovereignty and stop paying the blood money. Our deal was simply to hand over ISK for living in our personally built stations, it never included a pledge of loyalty or some agreement that we would be part of "the BOB empire". As anyone who has had a conquering enemy move in understands, when the opportunity to free yourselves shows up, you take it. We took ours. We knew BOB would come. There is no regret, none, regardless of how things turn out. We will not live as renters, slaves or meat shields. We have been fighting and will continue to fight to the last ship, POS and ISK. Win, lose or draw, IRC to a member understands that in EVE there are real consequences to choices and we fully accept them. It is what makes EVE great. This weekend should prove to be interesting, good luck to all involved. I can't say I don't blame you... However I think you could have made a deal to get your stuff out instead of paying for the stations. I can say that we don't pay any rent and some might consider us meat shields.... However we love to fight so it doesn't matter to me... TBH I don't know your guys since we've lived in Fountain since October and the baddies always seam to come to us... I'm sure there will be some nice fights and loosing stations that you work hard for sucks... However I do respect you guys for fighting... though I don't respect you switching sides like you did. let me make one thing ABUNDANTLY CLEAR to you, those are our stations... ASCN did not build them we did, Dragons Rage built there station on there own in what at the time was one of the furthest corners of a no npc station 0.0 region on their own, and AWE built there station on there own with some DR support to lock down the system, they are not something we will simply leave behind, at the moment we have lost control of one, however to think we will give up and leave never to consider it again is a grievous mistake on anyone that may think that, I realize Digital Renegades that you no longer have sovereighnty anywhere but our space, so if this really is all or nothing for you, I hope you are prepared to stick it out, we will not go quietly in to the night and we will not just hand over our stations. With Bob assisting you everytime you are unable or not we will continue to fight. Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
Rancid Beef Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Slayton Ford Originally by: Rancid Beef But by all means please keep trying to remove RISE from Feyth, maybe one day the Coalition will see the light. We contracted with BoB to move here. We MOVED here to SHOOT you. We moved our entire alliance 60+ jumps to shoot you. The more you come into Feyth for us to shoot you, the happier we are. No this is a bunch of BS. Rise moved to RIT/etc because its a nice deadend constellation w/ 3 outposts and a 10/10. Of course that does come with a extensive RENT doesnt it? Oh wait, the Reds were actually farming your own complex from under you to the point where you couldn't even pay BoB the monthly rent on it. BS? How so? Are we not contracted with BoB to live in Feyth? Rent is a contract. Can't pay BoB rent? Our member rent is just 10mil a month, that is about 2 belts, or 10mins a MONTH. Rise has never not payed or fulfilled it's contract. Personally I just sell any one of hundreds of mods I get pvping, no big deal. 10mil a month to blast thousands of clueless farmers? Priceless. RA does indeed run the plex after down time alot, your point? You don't even have a 10/10 plex. Here is my point Slayton Ford. This morning your enemies took over a home region w/outposts of a friendly alliance within 10mins or 12-15 jumps of you. Why wasn't your vaunted Coalition there to defend them? Why was not one single allie of Intrepid there to help them? The answer is very simple, concerned about a plex, just like your post implies. Concerned about making the almighty ISK, not concerned about helping anyone but themselves. You can say what you want about Intrepid , but at least they had balls. Maybe they can join up with RISE and we'll carve out a nice chunk of KOS space. I'm sure they harbor no ill will after you threw them under the bus so you can rat and help RA plex farm... "A friend of death, a brother of luck, and a s.o.b."

Trisha Banks Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:23:00 - [31] The train is coming!! Choo Choo!! oh wait, you mean the train forgot to come? oopsie.
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:25:00 - [32] Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 04/05/2007 23:25:25 Just want to state that the BoB carriers did not enter the fray until we had clearly won the battle, destroyed a carrier, and had re-engaged the station for the 3rd and final time. It was a great fight. I don't know why people complain about allies helping out either way, as I am sure Intrepid Crossing expected their allies to help them, but alas, that never happened, not once, over the past few weeks of assault upon their systems. What else did you expect from Goons and Russians? They care for nothing but themselves. I really liked Intrepid Crossing when they were our allies, and eventually learned the respect them as enemies. You guys should of stayed on our side. We would of been there for you, and so would of BoB. I feel no ill effects of BoB upon my life in Feythabolis. Infact, it is nice to know you have the strongest alliance in Eve at your back if worst comes to worst, but if anyone thinks that BoB is the reason RISE is still standing after months of attacks by 3 of the largest and most powerful alliances in the game, you must be kidding yourself. We stand on our own two feet and we stand proudly.
Blood Thorn Minmatar AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Rancid Beef You can say what you want about Intrepid , but at least they had balls. <<GULP>> ....Ummmm.... /me quickly checks his hangar <<WHEW>> Can we change this to the present tense please? I was suddenly worried about a sneak attack with a <<clears throat>> very large pair of scissors.... ----- Let the galaxy burn
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:51:00 - [34] Originally by: Morris Falter I take my hat off to Intrepid, and I believe a few of my corp mates will too. Quality act, and that they got blobbed into submission by the predictable and bloodless bob cap zerg, in no way reflects their ability or determination. (just imo ;)) Yeah everyone should stop building better ships, and make sure that they only undock as many pilots as their enemy already has in the field. I'm so sick and tired of people whining about blobs etc. If your army has 1000 men, and your opponents has 10,000 men, then they have the strength to take your stuff. You need to be stronger or have less stuff, or have powerful friends that can actually help you.
Dungheap Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 04/05/2007 23:33:06 Just want to state for the record that the BoB carriers did not cyno in and enter the fray until we had clearly won the battle, destroyed a carrier, and had re-engaged the station for the 3rd and final time with no hostiles present on grid. ..... i beg to differ; your own kb shows a bob m.ship as well as a bob carrier, on the intrepid crossing carrier loss. http://www.eve-rise.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14984
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:03:00 - [36] Originally by: Dungheap Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 04/05/2007 23:33:06 Just want to state for the record that the BoB carriers did not cyno in and enter the fray until we had clearly won the battle, destroyed a carrier, and had re-engaged the station for the 3rd and final time with no hostiles present on grid. ..... i beg to differ; your own kb shows a bob m.ship as well as a bob carrier, on the intrepid crossing carrier loss. http://www.eve-rise.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14984 There was one BoB carrier there the entire fight from the start. The Thanatos. The MoM got there just as the carrier went down. The battle was over and you guys had abandoned iqplayer and his carrier already at that point. I promise you, if Juan had been in the battle from the start, he would of been on top of that killmail, not almost last. BoB has nothing to do with our victory, besides the one single carrier, which still left us outnumbered carrier-wise, and it is a shame you try to steal our victory and give it to BoB when that is hardly the truth.
iqplayer Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:23:00 - [37] Edited by: iqplayer on 05/05/2007 00:22:50 A couple of things I want to clear up. First, my corp did not abandon me on the field, I was the one that called the warpout as a cyno opened up in system and local jumped. My killmail was truncated due to the massive number involved, and the amount of drones in the dronebay. Rest assured there were more involved in it's death than show on the mails. I don't know the exact numbers, but at least 10 carriers + 1 MS jumped in (and one MS logged on I think). To all you who keep saying that IRC 'changed sides', are 'turncoats', or whatever - Bob came to Feyth and burned it to the ground. Yes, it needed it. It doesn't mean we liked it, and it certainly didn't make Bob our friends. We did what we needed to do to survive at the time. We didn't change sides - we're on OUR side, and it just so happens that we'd rather fight to try to be free, than to fight in order to pay someone else for space. Anywho, the battle's not over yet, in YZKE constellation, or in Feyth. The battles are proving to be quite fun (for both sides I think), and no matter what happens, the real losers are those who are missing the chance to be a part of this massive event. Remember, Eve is a game - Have Fun!
Dungheap Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:33:00 - [38] rahegor, i assure you it's my intention only to bring as accurate an account of the battle as possible. rise carried the day, there is no denying. statistics can be misleading, as in the station actually fell to bob, and bob carrier landing final blow on our carrier, in themselves don't tell the tale. my thanks to you and your corpmates for correcting me as you have. please however, don't say we abandoned iqplayer on the field. he was on ts ordering everyone to stay out, interspersed with maniacal laughter. despite the loss, i think he had more fun than anyone.
iqplayer Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:33:00 - [39] Edited by: iqplayer on 05/05/2007 00:31:39 Originally by: Wylker Originally by: Morris Falter I take my hat off to Intrepid, and I believe a few of my corp mates will too. Quality act, and that they got blobbed into submission by the predictable and bloodless bob cap zerg, in no way reflects their ability or determination. (just imo ;)) Yeah everyone should stop building better ships, and make sure that they only undock as many pilots as their enemy already has in the field. I'm so sick and tired of people whining about blobs etc. If your army has 1000 men, and your opponents has 10,000 men, then they have the strength to take your stuff. You need to be stronger or have less stuff, or have powerful friends that can actually help you. I hear what you're saying, to some extent, and it's true that this is what happens in war - both in Eve, and RL, escalation. There are two sides to this though - one, we're here to have fun, and I think the battles this morning in ZS were pretty interesting. Huge Blobs tend to not result in fun fights though, either because noone's going to fight if there's no chance of winning - or more importantly, because Eve just can't handle those numbers. Local only got to about 110-120 this morning, but I know the lag I experienced was quite bad. Hey, that's how it goes - but Eve would be sooo much more fun without the lag. I know, prolly wishful thinking :D
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:39:00 - [40] Originally by: Commander Solo The smack in local was unfortunate, but I can understand your frustration in being sieged by an alliance half your size, while being incapable of removing us from your space. Since when was bob half the size of Intrepid? Surely you cant be referring to DFC? Sorry to hear about the setback Intrepid - a class act all the way. o>

iqplayer Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: Dungheap Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 04/05/2007 23:33:06 Just want to state for the record that the BoB carriers did not cyno in and enter the fray until we had clearly won the battle, destroyed a carrier, and had re-engaged the station for the 3rd and final time with no hostiles present on grid. ..... i beg to differ; your own kb shows a bob m.ship as well as a bob carrier, on the intrepid crossing carrier loss. http://www.eve-rise.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14984 There was one BoB carrier there the entire fight from the start. The Thanatos. The MoM got there just as the carrier went down. The battle was over and you guys had abandoned iqplayer and his carrier already at that point. I promise you, if Juan had been in the battle from the start, he would of been on top of that killmail, not almost last. BoB has nothing to do with our victory, besides the one single carrier, which still left us outnumbered carrier-wise, and it is a shame you try to steal our victory and give it to BoB when that is hardly the truth. Umm, you do realize that the point that we warped out was when the large group of reinforcements cynoed in (be they Rise, or Bob, or whoever?) We were holding our own on the battlefield up to that point, and made you warpout twice in that final battle. Also, we had more carriers than you - 1 more, to be exact - but you didn't bring your carriers to the front lines until that final cyno. You, on the other hand, had more BS, so overall it was fairly even till that point, with you outnumbering us in local (of course, local doesn't tell the whole story). Umm, btw, a Malediction was on the top of my killmail (typically the 'top damage dealer' spot), so I think that alone should be proof that Eve does freaky stuff when it truncates killmails. Answer me this one question, how many carriers did you (Rise) cyno in at the end, and how many were Bob? In the heat of battle, it was rather hard to get an accurate count, and if they were mostly Rise, props - but you were surely not outnumbered at the point that the battle turned, since it was absolutely because of the carriers/MS jumping in that the battle turned.
Melissa McPherson Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:47:00 - [42] Very entertaining! INTREPID INFO "If it isn't fun, why play?"
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.05 00:55:00 - [43] Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 05/05/2007 00:52:31 The reason you see interceptors on the top of the killmail is because they left their assigned fighters on the carrier the entire time. I didn't mean "abandoned your carrier" in a bad way, just that you guys had to pull out and he was left behind. Also, yeah, maybe my account is not perfect, as it is pretty crazy in battle sometimes, but I am not trying to stretch the truth or lie on purpose if I was inaccurate in anyway. Anyway, good fight as I said before. Was quite fun, and I am sure we will have more in the future.
Mr Mirage AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 01:23:00 - [44] Edited by: Mr Mirage on 05/05/2007 01:20:56 Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 05/05/2007 00:52:31 The reason you see interceptors on the top of the killmail is because they left their assigned fighters on the carrier the entire time. ... Damage done by fighters is attributed to the carrier pilot, not the vessel wielding them. For the record, our carrier went down a minute or so after the cynod-in backups arrived.
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.05 01:57:00 - [45] Well, then having three interceptors on the killmail is certainly strange.
Gobblock AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 02:43:00 - [46] I think the killmails got screwy on that battle. I wasn't on a killmail i knew i should have been on, that wasn't truncated, and likewise, I was on a killmail i know i shouldn't have been on, using a module i didnt have fitted.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.05.05 04:30:00 - [47] Originally by: Commander Solo The smack in local was unfortunate, but I can understand your frustration in being sieged by an alliance half your size, while being incapable of removing us from your space. You made me laugh. All Fey pets combined couldn't take 1 single station system from a damn small corp, 30+ BoB capitals had to come in during holidays to take it over. You're a funny man.
Garrett Smith ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.05 05:01:00 - [48] Originally by: Queen News So what your saying is BoB and Friends take even more stations. Where is this great train at. Lol the news here is just as biased as in real life :-P lol Originally by: El Yatta they shouldnt have gotten involved in supercaps, because on the whole they are very dull, except for 2-3 people in the alliance who get to go "wheee, i cant be scrambled, pwn pwn".
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.05 05:02:00 - [49] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Commander Solo The smack in local was unfortunate, but I can understand your frustration in being sieged by an alliance half your size, while being incapable of removing us from your space. You made me laugh. All Fey pets combined couldn't take 1 single station system from a damn small corp, 30+ BoB capitals had to come in during holidays to take it over. You're a funny man. All of the coalition combined can not remove one BoB pet from Feythabolis. Get a life.
XxAngelxX Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.05 05:07:00 - [50] Well done BOB, dfc cant have anything 2 do with this as they suck -------------------------------------- You Know!

Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.05 06:33:00 - [51] Originally by: XxAngelxX Well done BOB, dfc cant have anything 2 do with this as they suck Sniff sniff... Originally by: Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
Kw4h Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 07:59:00 - [52] Originally by: Commander Solo The smack in local was unfortunate, but I can understand your frustration in being sieged by an alliance half your size, while being incapable of removing us from your space. The real frustration I personally have is that you came in with a big force, spammed towers, and then sat back in your POS waiting for sov to change. Last week I noticed a few things. You didn't come out of that shield unless there was an active BoB mothership flying around the system. With the current system, motherships are invulnerable to anything but dread fleets. Secondly, the other time that you really come out of your POS is when you actually outnumber is 3 to 1. The rest of the day we only see some intercepters warping around, and when we respond to them, they warp off. You have to admit yourself that you're completely incapable of doing anything significant without having BoB support. Lets give a juicy example. You weren't even able to kill a blackbird that was getting tackled by on of your inties. Heck, you even jumped in a hauler through a gate, camped by 2 of your own bubbles, without any support. Too bad most of the loot got destroyed, but we still had some nice leftovers. Btw... didn't you just lose your 2 systems in Esoteria? _ Planet Sight Wallpaper - EvE map
Commander Solo Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.05.05 09:39:00 - [53] Originally by: Kw4h Originally by: Commander Solo The smack in local was unfortunate, but I can understand your frustration in being sieged by an alliance half your size, while being incapable of removing us from your space. The real frustration I personally have is that you came in with a big force, spammed towers, and then sat back in your POS waiting for sov to change. Last week I noticed a few things. You didn't come out of that shield unless there was an active BoB mothership flying around the system. With the current system, motherships are invulnerable to anything but dread fleets. Secondly, the other time that you really come out of your POS is when you actually outnumber is 3 to 1. The rest of the day we only see some intercepters warping around, and when we respond to them, they warp off. You have to admit yourself that you're completely incapable of doing anything significant without having BoB support. Lets give a juicy example. You weren't even able to kill a blackbird that was getting tackled by on of your inties. Heck, you even jumped in a hauler through a gate, camped by 2 of your own bubbles, without any support. Too bad most of the loot got destroyed, but we still had some nice leftovers. Btw... didn't you just lose your 2 systems in Esoteria? I just suggest that you recheck your facts mate to be honest. There hasn't been any bob motherships in the system all week as im sure their mother pilots will confirm, so next lie plz. The hauler pilot was being a nub, not my problem, i have no tolerance for stupidity. Oh btw, where have your fleet been all week? if there was something worth killing we would have been there. We didnt "loose" two systems in esoteria, they were handed over to another corporation in anticipation for when we take DB1R and ZS-.
Kw4h Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 09:50:00 - [54] Originally by: Commander Solo Oh btw, where have your fleet been all week? if there was something worth killing we would have been there. We didnt "loose" two systems in esoteria, they were handed over to another corporation in anticipation for when we take DB1R and ZS-. Fair enough, my bad about those 2 systems. I'm not in your alliance so I can't see who you're allied with. You also seem to be pretty confident in taking our 2 systems. By handing over your own system you either show that you run out of isk to maintain multiple systems, or you underestimated us bigtime. Anyway, we'll see what the future brings. Fun weekend ahead and I'm sure I'll be on your killmail _ Planet Sight Wallpaper - EvE map
Commander Solo Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.05.05 10:34:00 - [55] Originally by: Kw4h Originally by: Commander Solo Oh btw, where have your fleet been all week? if there was something worth killing we would have been there. We didnt "loose" two systems in esoteria, they were handed over to another corporation in anticipation for when we take DB1R and ZS-. Fair enough, my bad about those 2 systems. I'm not in your alliance so I can't see who you're allied with. You also seem to be pretty confident in taking our 2 systems. By handing over your own system you either show that you run out of isk to maintain multiple systems, or you underestimated us bigtime. Anyway, we'll see what the future brings. Fun weekend ahead and I'm sure I'll be on your killmail No Worries, i wouldn't expect you to know. I can assure you that isk isn't and never will be an issue for us, so you can just let go of that slither of hope :) But i can agree with you that it will be a fun weekend all round, and i look forward to being shot a :P
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.05 10:48:00 - [56] Welcome to modern Eve 0.0 warefare. And I thought Privateers would suck...
Weka Dart Caldari Band of Sisters	Posted - 2007.05.05 11:19:00 - [57] Originally by: Farham Quote: Wait a minute... I thought BoB was at a stalemate downsouth and/or loosing ground... hrm... Good job BoB and friends... I guess you are second guessing switching sides now.... The most interesting thing about the ZS and DB1 situation is that it moved to mass POS spamming. It certainly threw us for a loop but we have adapted and strive to fight on. Let me preface my next comments with the fact they are my own opinion and I do not speak for AWE or IRC as member of HC. Now, as far as second guessing? Not in the least. Dragons Rage and AWE corporation built the two stations in ZS and DB1. As the ASCN war wound down we were in a "fight to the end" mode and as such left all of our assets in the area. The last days of the war happened very fast with most of ASCN taking deals to leave the area or having left the area earier. An offer was made to keep our stations and as a result our rather large amount of assets, for a price in the billions of ISK per month. We essentially had a gun to our heads if we wanted to keep our assets. Our HC made the right call, pay the blood money until we can get ourselves organized enough to re-assert our sovereignty and stop paying the blood money. Our deal was simply to hand over ISK for living in our personally built stations, it never included a pledge of loyalty or some agreement that we would be part of "the BOB empire". As anyone who has had a conquering enemy move in understands, when the opportunity to free yourselves shows up, you take it. We took ours. We knew BOB would come. There is no regret, none, regardless of how things turn out. We will not live as renters, slaves or meat shields. We have been fighting and will continue to fight to the last ship, POS and ISK. Win, lose or draw, IRC to a member understands that in EVE there are real consequences to choices and we fully accept them. It is what makes EVE great. This weekend should prove to be interesting, good luck to all involved. When ur mining in jita and all ur members have left and joined BOB empire I hope you don't regret ur decision. As previously stated, BOB cannot be beaten. Nice universe.... the future is bright, apparently its orange...
Astro Fizzicks Gallente Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.05 11:29:00 - [58] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Commander Solo The smack in local was unfortunate, but I can understand your frustration in being sieged by an alliance half your size, while being incapable of removing us from your space. You made me laugh. All Fey pets combined couldn't take 1 single station system from a damn small corp, 30+ BoB capitals had to come in during holidays to take it over. You're a funny man. All of the coalition combined can not remove one BoB pet from Feythabolis. Get a life. ----------------------------------------------------------- Maybe not, but I bet I could remove your milk teeth from your spotty little mouth. Theres not one pet alliance that could stand against any one free alliance, thats why we have free space and u lame lemmings live in bobs pockets, coz ur too weak to stand on your own feet. You've all, without exception either had your pathetic faces punched in by bob and had to beg to stay in your mudhuts or been kicked out the space you were in because you couldn't defend it and went running to bob 'buhoo mr bob, insert free alliance name kicked us out of our space coz we are insert reason can we have some of ur 0.0 and we will provide you with isk and meatshields. I hoope you all catch nobrot.
Malvahne FIRMA	Posted - 2007.05.05 11:36:00 - [59] Originally by: Astro Fizzicks Maybe not, but I bet I could remove your milk teeth from your spotty little mouth. Theres not one pet alliance that could stand against any one free alliance, thats why we have free space and u lame lemmings live in bobs pockets, coz ur too weak to stand on your own feet. You've all, without exception either had your pathetic faces punched in by bob and had to beg to stay in your mudhuts or been kicked out the space you were in because you couldn't defend it and went running to bob 'buhoo mr bob, insert free alliance name kicked us out of our space coz we are insert reason can we have some of ur 0.0 and we will provide you with isk and meatshields. I hoope you all catch nobrot. ^^^^ I giggled.
Blgus Dlckus	Posted - 2007.05.05 11:37:00 - [60] Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])

Glitch 10240 Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 12:35:00 - [61] That fight was definitley fun, IQ laughing as he lost his carrier on TS kinda worried me, never heard someone so unbothered by a carrier loss :S Thing is, we are too small to fight BOB alone, but im not going to moan about it, this is all part of the game and it means PVP, so im game to pod you till i run out of ships and isk :P At the same time you can understand the smack in local, the directors and original members put so much work into this place, and to see someone roll in and take that, well its understandable. I kinda wish we could fight you guys without BOB involvement have some fair fights, like the ones we had with RISE. My point is good luck guys, im ready to fight to the death anyway :P
Spike Spiegle Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.05 12:58:00 - [62] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Commander Solo The smack in local was unfortunate, but I can understand your frustration in being sieged by an alliance half your size, while being incapable of removing us from your space. You made me laugh. All Fey pets combined couldn't take 1 single station system from a damn small corp, 30+ BoB capitals had to come in during holidays to take it over. You're a funny man. All of the coalition combined can not remove one BoB pet from Feythabolis. Get a life. You fail to mention that Rise is not the only alliance fighting the coalition in Feyth so speak facts not S.**T! Still amazes me how some people try to twist facts on the forums and suck so badly at achieving it! So to my point nice battle report thanks
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 12:59:00 - [63] Edited by: RedClaws on 05/05/2007 13:00:18 Yah it was a great fight Respect to all of those involved. Sorry RISE but we're gonna have to decline the offer to join you on the dark side. We really like you guys but BoB is the ultimate enemy. Also...We like it here on the underdog side. We had a blast in that final fight till bob came to mess it up though. Carrier on the front lines ftw!
Kw4h Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 13:49:00 - [64] Originally by: RedClaws Edit: As of 13:30 zs station has been reclaimed by IRC. We outnumbered them and Digital Renegades still tried to defend. Good fight to them. Home sweet home... sniff _ Planet Sight Wallpaper - EvE map
FreeMarket Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.05 13:50:00 - [65] Edited by: FreeMarket on 05/05/2007 13:47:18 I missed this fight, but when I have fought IC, I have to say Intrepid Crossing has some of the classiest members in the game. As for the "forum" smack concerning larger numbers on the RISE, Bob, Digital Renegades side during this battle. Again, everyone needs to keep in mind that coalition forces in general outnumber alliance numbers by several times. Which is great and we enjoy the opportunity to be outnumbered all the time (see the word "challenge" in the dictionary,) but I am amazed that every once and a while when the shoe is on the other foot, there is such anger from coalition members? ▲Winning Battles across EVE, WOW, Warzone, and Planetside for over 7 years! www.SturmGrenadier.com ▲ * Strong PVP, Adults in age and mentality, TS a must, 3 Mil Skills.
Mireckrex Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 13:55:00 - [66] \o/
pxmars Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 13:56:00 - [67] Its good to be back home. :)I hope they didnt use up all the towels.
Commander Solo Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.05.05 14:08:00 - [68] Props to you IRC, you fought well. You take this round, but were not going anywhere :) Lets just see if you want to fight us when your outnumbered 3-1 :) Looking forward to more pew pew this weekend.
TKarrde	Posted - 2007.05.05 14:12:00 - [69] Edited by: TKarrde on 05/05/2007 14:08:25 Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 04/05/2007 23:33:06 You guys should of stayed on our side as it was aterrible mistake by your leadership to think your defection would be tolerated, or that you would be able to hold your ground in Feythabolis. We would of been there for you, and so would of BoB BoB is the enemy, any friend of BoB is the enemy, any neutrals standing by and letting BoB rampage around with their "let's destroy the game" mentality is probably going to end up the enemy, and that's that. I'd rather go down fighting to the last isk than let someone accuse me FOR EVEN A MOMENT of riding on someone else's strength and get away with it.
Tozmeister Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.05.05 14:12:00 - [70] BTW, I left a rather large 'present' for you in the second floor Officers bathroom. no, please. Don't thank me..... +++????+++Out of Chesse Error. Redo From Start+++

Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.05 14:27:00 - [71] Originally by: TKarrdeI'd rather go down fighting to the last isk than let someone accuse me FOR EVEN A MOMENT of riding on someone else's strength and get away with it.[/quote So says the guy who posts without a corp and alliance name? Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 14:37:00 - [72] I am guessing that BOB having to show up with Shrike, 4 motherships and lots of dreds this morning after IRC retook Sov and the station in ZS indicates they are a bit ****ed :) At least it clears up the fact of who really is running the siege.
Royaldo KVA Noble Inc. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.05 14:50:00 - [73] Originally by: Wylker Originally by: Morris Falter I take my hat off to Intrepid, and I believe a few of my corp mates will too. Quality act, and that they got blobbed into submission by the predictable and bloodless bob cap zerg, in no way reflects their ability or determination. (just imo ;)) Yeah everyone should stop building better ships, and make sure that they only undock as many pilots as their enemy already has in the field. I'm so sick and tired of people whining about blobs etc. If your army has 1000 men, and your opponents has 10,000 men, then they have the strength to take your stuff. You need to be stronger or have less stuff, or have powerful friends that can actually help you. you should tell that to your allies every single time they whine about goons.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.05 15:09:00 - [74] Originally by: Farham Edit: I must admit it is a riot watching Shrike ram his Titan at our POSes trying to knock ships out...classy :) Fraps and petition because it is an exploit. Oh wait, this is BoB... then it is a feature. Same with shooting through POS shields...
gordon861 Minmatar AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 15:14:00 - [75] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Farham Edit: I must admit it is a riot watching Shrike ram his Titan at our POSes trying to knock ships out...classy :) Fraps and petition because it is an exploit. Oh wait, this is BoB... then it is a feature. Same with shooting through POS shields... Tried petitioning it and one of our guys was threatened that his account could get a warning if he tried to escalate it higher.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 15:15:00 - [76] "Fraps and petition because it is an exploit. Oh wait, this is BoB... then it is a feature. Same with shooting through POS shields..." We have lots of fraps footage of both Shrike and one of their Nyx pilots doing it over and over again (nearly got a Nagalfar that was having logout issues). The petition we filled got an answer that "it is NOT an exploit". The person doing the petition was told if he wanted it escalated to a Senior GM he faced a warning if the Senior GM agreed that it is not an exploit. At this point we are just letting the matter go.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.05 15:17:00 - [77] Originally by: Farham The person doing the petition was told if he wanted it escalated to a Senior GM he faced a warning if the Senior GM agreed that it is not an exploit. I'd have both your petition and a petition regarding Gamemaster abuse of power escalated to the Senior Gm tbh. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.05 15:19:00 - [78] Originally by: TKarrde Edited by: TKarrde on 05/05/2007 14:08:25 Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 04/05/2007 23:33:06 You guys should of stayed on our side as it was aterrible mistake by your leadership to think your defection would be tolerated, or that you would be able to hold your ground in Feythabolis. We would of been there for you, and so would of BoB BoB is the enemy, any friend of BoB is the enemy, any neutrals standing by and letting BoB rampage around with their "let's destroy the game" mentality is probably going to end up the enemy, and that's that. I'd rather go down fighting to the last isk than let someone accuse me FOR EVEN A MOMENT of riding on someone else's strength and get away with it. Goons and the Russians are worse for the game than BoB could ever dream of being. The Russians are complex farming, online ISK selling, logoffski cheating scumbags, and the everyone knows what the Goons are about.
Commander Solo Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.05.05 15:23:00 - [79] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Farham The person doing the petition was told if he wanted it escalated to a Senior GM he faced a warning if the Senior GM agreed that it is not an exploit. I'd have both your petition and a petition regarding Gamemaster abuse of power escalated to the Senior Gm tbh. Agreed, that response is way out of line from a Gamemaster.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.05 15:32:00 - [80] Originally by: gordon861 Tried petitioning it and one of our guys was threatened that his account could get a warning if he tried to escalate it higher. What! Escalate it in every case and petition that GM also!! You have a right to escalate it, it is in the EULA!

gordon861 Minmatar AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 15:33:00 - [81] Originally by: Commander Solo Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Farham The person doing the petition was told if he wanted it escalated to a Senior GM he faced a warning if the Senior GM agreed that it is not an exploit. I'd have both your petition and a petition regarding Gamemaster abuse of power escalated to the Senior Gm tbh. Agreed, that response is way out of line from a Gamemaster. Yea they escalated it anyways.
Negero Bernardo Black Pearl Cartel	Posted - 2007.05.05 15:40:00 - [82] Originally by: Astro Fizzicks Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Commander Solo The smack in local was unfortunate, but I can understand your frustration in being sieged by an alliance half your size, while being incapable of removing us from your space. You made me laugh. All Fey pets combined couldn't take 1 single station system from a damn small corp, 30+ BoB capitals had to come in during holidays to take it over. You're a funny man. All of the coalition combined can not remove one BoB pet from Feythabolis. Get a life. ----------------------------------------------------------- Maybe not, but I bet I could remove your milk teeth from your spotty little mouth. Theres not one pet alliance that could stand against any one free alliance, thats why we have free space and u lame lemmings live in bobs pockets, coz ur too weak to stand on your own feet. You've all, without exception either had your pathetic faces punched in by bob and had to beg to stay in your mudhuts or been kicked out the space you were in because you couldn't defend it and went running to bob 'buhoo mr bob, insert free alliance name kicked us out of our space coz we are insert reason can we have some of ur 0.0 and we will provide you with isk and meatshields. I hoope you all catch nobrot. Theres not one pet alliance that could stand against any one free alliance, thats why we have free space and u lame lemmings live in bobs pockets, coz ur too weak to stand on your own feet. - Looking at the map IRON is soon tm to be a pet alliance. You are to weak to stand on your own feet's. You've all, without exception either had your pathetic faces punched in by bob and had to beg to stay in your mudhuts or been kicked out the space you were in because you couldn't defend it and went running to bob 'buhoo mr bob, insert free alliance name kicked us out of our space coz we are insert reason can we have some of ur 0.0 and we will provide you with isk and meatshields. - Have they been punched in face by BoB? how is that making them different from IRON? Or D2, or insert random name. Been Kicked out of their space? Soon tm IRON... You cant defend your space? Feell ike running to land lords D2 oh please please ebil BoB eh wait it isnt even BoB it is 400 man and 700 man alliance that are taking over whole unified naped North. Soon tm IRON. Also i will gladly accept your members in Black Pearl then we can all together make rigs in Jita. Soon tm IRON. on a side note glad to see IRC and DFC having fun.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.05 15:43:00 - [83] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Farham The person doing the petition was told if he wanted it escalated to a Senior GM he faced a warning if the Senior GM agreed that it is not an exploit. I'd have both your petition and a petition regarding Gamemaster abuse of power escalated to the Senior Gm tbh. /signed. Thats been an exploit for sometime and if the "rules" have changed then CCP need to start clearing up what is or isnt an exploit. Level playing field on rules or dont bother. Cheating at a game is lame. SJ. CLS Co-CEO and Standings Director =-
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.05 15:54:00 - [84] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Farham The person doing the petition was told if he wanted it escalated to a Senior GM he faced a warning if the Senior GM agreed that it is not an exploit. I'd have both your petition and a petition regarding Gamemaster abuse of power escalated to the Senior Gm tbh. Farham, I would hope to the gods that you are joking - WeComeInPeace Video
TKarrde	Posted - 2007.05.05 15:57:00 - [85] Originally by: Baymm Edited by: Baymm on 05/05/2007 14:46:27 Originally by: TKarrde Edited by: TKarrde on 05/05/2007 14:08:25 Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 04/05/2007 23:33:06 You guys should of stayed on our side as it was aterrible mistake by your leadership to think your defection would be tolerated, or that you would be able to hold your ground in Feythabolis. We would of been there for you, and so would of BoB BoB is the enemy, any friend of BoB is the enemy, any neutrals standing by and letting BoB rampage around with their "let's destroy the game" mentality is probably going to end up the enemy, and that's that. I'd rather go down fighting to the last isk than let someone accuse me FOR EVEN A MOMENT of riding on someone else's strength and get away with it. So says the guy who posts without a corp and alliance name? TKarrde Cov Ops Specialist AWE Corp. Intrepid Crossing Enough for ya? Couldn't adjust the profile, something seems to be *******sed.
gordon861 Minmatar AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 16:04:00 - [86] Originally by: SamuraiJack Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Farham The person doing the petition was told if he wanted it escalated to a Senior GM he faced a warning if the Senior GM agreed that it is not an exploit. I'd have both your petition and a petition regarding Gamemaster abuse of power escalated to the Senior Gm tbh. /signed. Thats been an exploit for sometime and if the "rules" have changed then CCP need to start clearing up what is or isnt an exploit. Level playing field on rules or dont bother. Cheating at a game is lame. If they cleared up what is/isn't an exploit they would have to start being consistant. Hence the don't quote GM responses rule. Originally by: CCP Arkanon I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donÆt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe.
Warsyn Caldari Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.05 16:58:00 - [87] Supercap bowling is not an exploit. That doesn't mean it isn't a cheese game mechanic, like POS spamming or any of another dozen things in game that could/should/might be addressed, but it is NOT an exploit. Howling about it being an exploit does no one any good. If you think it should be changed/fixed whatever then petition for it, but don't become abusive towards GM's or people in game when it is not, in fact, at this time an exploit. Very nice counterattack in Z2 this morning btw IC. Stubborn bastards !
Warsyn Caldari Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.05 17:00:00 - [88] Edited by: Warsyn on 05/05/2007 16:56:38 Supercap bowling is not an exploit. That doesn't mean it isn't a cheese game mechanic, like POS spamming or any of another dozen things in game that could/should/might be addressed, but it is NOT an exploit. Howling about it being an exploit does no one any good. If you think it should be changed/fixed whatever then petition for it, but don't become abusive towards GM's or people in game when it is not, in fact, at this time an exploit. Very nice counterattack in ZS this morning btw IC. Stubborn bastards ! Edit: gah le double!
iqplayer Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 17:06:00 - [89] Originally by: Warsyn Edited by: Warsyn on 05/05/2007 16:56:38 Supercap bowling is not an exploit. That doesn't mean it isn't a cheese game mechanic, like POS spamming or any of another dozen things in game that could/should/might be addressed, but it is NOT an exploit. Howling about it being an exploit does no one any good. If you think it should be changed/fixed whatever then petition for it, but don't become abusive towards GM's or people in game when it is not, in fact, at this time an exploit. Very nice counterattack in ZS this morning btw IC. Stubborn bastards ! Edit: gah le double! Just as a sidenote, it was not IRC that was abusive to the GM's, it was the GM's that threatened warnings because we excercised the right to have a petition escalated. However, CCP can't figure out why the players no longer believe in their honesty and integrity.
Graalum Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.05 17:10:00 - [90] Originally by: Warsyn Supercap bowling is not an exploit. That doesn't mean it isn't a cheese game mechanic, like POS spamming or any of another dozen things in game that could/should/might be addressed, but it is NOT an exploit. Howling about it being an exploit does no one any good. If you think it should be changed/fixed whatever then petition for it, but don't become abusive towards GM's or people in game when it is not, in fact, at this time an exploit. Very nice counterattack in Z2 this morning btw IC. Stubborn bastards ! I could have sworn they said it was an exploit in one of the other forums, like ships and modules or somewhere.

RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 17:18:00 - [91] Edited by: RedClaws on 05/05/2007 17:15:00 On the topic off capital ship bumping: Curtesy of Gobblock of IRC: POS Bowling We did ask a GM and according to him it's all legal... How messed up is that?
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.05.05 17:26:00 - [92] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Commander Solo The smack in local was unfortunate, but I can understand your frustration in being sieged by an alliance half your size, while being incapable of removing us from your space. You made me laugh. All Fey pets combined couldn't take 1 single station system from a damn small corp, 30+ BoB capitals had to come in during holidays to take it over. You're a funny man. All of the coalition combined can not remove one BoB pet from Feythabolis. Get a life. "Get a life" coming from someone who spends whole Friday evening playing internet spaceship pew-pew game Sorry mate, I already have a life (so it prevents me from being POS holiday/weekend warrior), but I don't think you could understand that. You or any other pets make no difference, whatsoever. It's BoB that takes over systems, it's BoB that defends systems. And they're too damn efficient, unfortunatelly
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.05 17:46:00 - [93] Originally by: Astro Fizzicks Maybe not, but I bet I could remove your milk teeth from your spotty little mouth. I hoope you all catch nobrot. IRON hitting a new low i see. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.05 17:48:00 - [94] Concerning the issue of POS bowling: Several months ago when supercapitals were somewhat newer and shinier, we thought about the possibility and even tried it a few times. A few petitions later and we were asked to desist, which we did. A couple of weeks ago I heard that Evil Thug had stolen a carrier from a POS using exactly this technique, and asked him if he had ever been told that it was an exploit by a GM. He said that on the contrary, Establishment had stolen ships from him at a POS previously using their nyx, and that he had been told that it was a legitimate use of game mechanics. One of our titan pilots subsequently petitioned it to get the current official view on the matter, and was told that it was fine, despite being the source of a lot of petitions. Since then, we've been taking the opportunity to do it every chance we get. --- Wave of Mutilation 2
Gobblock AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 17:55:00 - [95] Originally by: RedClaws Edited by: RedClaws on 05/05/2007 17:15:00 On the topic off capital ship bumping: Curtesy of Gobblock of IRC: POS Bowling We did ask a GM and according to him it's all legal... How messed up is that? I just wanted to clear that up. 'courtesy of' does not mean i made it, I just found it
Blood Thorn Minmatar AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 17:58:00 - [96] It would be one thing if this was done with Battleships, Carriers, Dreads, etc, as a POS could be setup to scramble and destroy them. However, since Titans and Motherships are immune to being scrambled, and are in no danger of being destroyed by a POS, it is clearly an example of the need to nerf both. Come on CCP, fix this obvious loop-hole. ----- Let the galaxy burn
iqplayer Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 18:06:00 - [97] Originally by: Farjung Concerning the issue of POS bowling: Several months ago when supercapitals were somewhat newer and shinier, we thought about the possibility and even tried it a few times. A few petitions later and we were asked to desist, which we did. A couple of weeks ago I heard that Evil Thug had stolen a carrier from a POS using exactly this technique, and asked him if he had ever been told that it was an exploit by a GM. He said that on the contrary, Establishment had stolen ships from him at a POS previously using their nyx, and that he had been told that it was a legitimate use of game mechanics. One of our titan pilots subsequently petitioned it to get the current official view on the matter, and was told that it was fine, despite being the source of a lot of petitions. Since then, we've been taking the opportunity to do it every chance we get. Well, I'm not sure quite how to look at this. TBH, I see this as a completely broken game mechanic, made stupidly easy by the 'Warp to 0' feature, and extended by the recent change to Corp Hanger Arrays that make Ship Maint Arrays useless during a POS siege. I think the fact that Bob is now doing something, merely because other entities that they claim to despise use it, is also quite sad. That said, I suppose the only way that CCP is ever going to get around to 'fixing' this, is the same way the Privateers got them to fix the War Dec issue - abuse it until the uproar becomes so great that they have no way to ignore it. Good Work!
Royaldo KVA Noble Inc. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.05 18:09:00 - [98] Originally by: Farjung Concerning the issue of POS bowling: Several months ago when supercapitals were somewhat newer and shinier, we thought about the possibility and even tried it a few times. A few petitions later and we were asked to desist, which we did. A couple of weeks ago I heard that Evil Thug had stolen a carrier from a POS using exactly this technique, and asked him if he had ever been told that it was an exploit by a GM. He said that on the contrary, Establishment had stolen ships from him at a POS previously using their nyx, and that he had been told that it was a legitimate use of game mechanics. One of our titan pilots subsequently petitioned it to get the current official view on the matter, and was told that it was fine, despite being the source of a lot of petitions. Since then, we've been taking the opportunity to do it every chance we get. and now, probably 2 months later, the rest of eve got to know. gotta love the documentation.
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.05 18:12:00 - [99] Originally by: Royaldo Originally by: Farjung Concerning the issue of POS bowling: Several months ago when supercapitals were somewhat newer and shinier, we thought about the possibility and even tried it a few times. A few petitions later and we were asked to desist, which we did. A couple of weeks ago I heard that Evil Thug had stolen a carrier from a POS using exactly this technique, and asked him if he had ever been told that it was an exploit by a GM. He said that on the contrary, Establishment had stolen ships from him at a POS previously using their nyx, and that he had been told that it was a legitimate use of game mechanics. One of our titan pilots subsequently petitioned it to get the current official view on the matter, and was told that it was fine, despite being the source of a lot of petitions. Since then, we've been taking the opportunity to do it every chance we get. and now, probably 2 months later, the rest of eve got to know. gotta love the documentation. "the rest of EVE"? I think 90% of the people using POSs know about this being a possibility.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.05 18:27:00 - [100] Originally by: Farjung Concerning the issue of POS bowling: ...A few petitions later and we were asked to desist, which we did. ... he had been told that it was a legitimate use of game mechanics. ... the current official view on the matter [...] that it was fine, despite being the source of a lot of petitions. That is exactly why Eve sucks a big time sometimes. Because CCP has NO GUIDELINE how to decide things! One GM says this, the other says that. Sometimes it is an exploit, some weeks later it is fine then again some more weeks it is forbidden again. CAN'T WE HAVE A CLEAR ANSWER TO CLEAR QUESTIONS? I wrote a note about bumping ships out of a pos on the general forum asking if a GM or dev could us give open and transparent answers if it is allowed or not a long time ago. Until today there was no public reply from any official. A simple yes or no. Is it that hard CCP? By the way, thanks for the clearup Farjung, well explained.

iqplayer Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 18:50:00 - [101] Edited by: iqplayer on 05/05/2007 18:47:18 Well, I think it's quite simple. They can't call it an exploit, because then (until they could fix it), they'd have to spend a lot of effort warning/banning people who did it, and they'd likely lose some customers to the ban stick. Plus, it's not just something they can spend 2 minutes perusing a log to prove... They don't want to come out and say it's ok, because it's obviously not an intended mechanic (what else is a 'shield' supposed to be for?). So they just try to pretend it's not there, until one day they slip a quick line in patch notes saying something cryptic about POS shields actually operating to stop enemy ships at the edge, the way that Warp Bubbles do.
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.05 18:55:00 - [102] Originally by: iqplayer I think the fact that Bob is now doing something, merely because other entities that they claim to despise use it, is also quite sad. We're doing it because we've been told that it's perfectly legitimate. I cited the other entities (since when have we "despised" AAA let alone The Establishment) because there was an undercurrent of "It's only not an exploit if BoB do it" running through the thread. --- Wave of Mutilation 2
iqplayer Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 18:58:00 - [103] Originally by: Farjung Originally by: iqplayer I think the fact that Bob is now doing something, merely because other entities that they claim to despise use it, is also quite sad. We're doing it because we've been told that it's perfectly legitimate. I cited the other entities (since when have we "despised" AAA let alone The Establishment) because there was an undercurrent of "It's only not an exploit if BoB do it" running through the thread. I remember quite a few threads from you guys in regards to Cyvok blogs where he basically did the same thing that you are here doing now. But in any case, the real issue here isn't Bob, or AAA, or The Establishment - it's CCP.
DeltaH NOBODY Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.05 19:04:00 - [104] Originally by: iqplayer I remember quite a few threads from you guys in regards to Cyvok blogs where he basically did the same thing that you are here doing now. I don't remember Cyvok warping to a BoB POS, and have a hard time thinking he would be that risky.
Blood Thorn Minmatar AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 19:07:00 - [105] It also really touches on the other thread regarding Titans and Motherships being out of balanced with the game. I can understand CCP's reluctance to swing the nerf bat at such an expensive investment, but 'Supercap Bowling' would not be an issue if Titans and MSs were immune to being scrambled/webbed. Instead, if they had an automatic 'Strength 10 or 20' warp core stabilzer, or if because of their size a webifier was only partialy effective, then this type of action would have a possible consequence. The ship may be able to tank the POS, but it would also be tied up for a bit, which would make it vulnerable to being attacked by Dreads, etc. ----- Let the galaxy burn
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.05.05 19:54:00 - [106] Originally by: Astro Fizzicks I hoope you all catch nobrot. FLAMING When you can't think of logical arguments and are too dumb to STFU
TKarrde AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:46:00 - [107] Just change the game code so that POS bubbles count as mobile warp disruptor bubbles, only modify it so that you stop DIRECTLY OUTSIDE the bubble instead of a few klicks inside it like with mobile warp disruptors. None of this bouncing nonsense. Shouldn't be that hard of a change to implement.. My guess is if the GMs are seriously having this much trouble fixing bugs, the original developers have long since departed CCP. Or CCP just plain ol' doesn't care. TKarrde Cov Ops Specialist AWE Corp Intrepid Crossing Alliance
BunnyGunny Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.05.05 22:47:00 - [108] Originally by: TKarrde Just change the game code so that POS bubbles count as mobile warp disruptor bubbles, only modify it so that you stop DIRECTLY OUTSIDE the bubble instead of a few klicks inside it like with mobile warp disruptors Alternatively try to understand that nothing in life is 100% safe. "omg someone rammed the door of my shop down and robbed it, change all vehicles on the planet so it cant be done!!"
Glitch 10240 Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:10:00 - [109] Originally by: BunnyGunny Originally by: TKarrde Just change the game code so that POS bubbles count as mobile warp disruptor bubbles, only modify it so that you stop DIRECTLY OUTSIDE the bubble instead of a few klicks inside it like with mobile warp disruptors Alternatively try to understand that nothing in life is 100% safe. "omg someone rammed the door of my shop down and robbed it, change all vehicles on the planet so it cant be done!!" No im sorry, if you start to look at things like that, then whats the point in putting your isk into ships. Why should the POS have a shield if they could just nick your ships from it? This really gets on my nerves, that they can just steal ships with an obvious exploit, if they just bumped the ships and left them, i would laugh along, but stealing them, its just not fun for anyone but them.
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:18:00 - [110] Originally by: Farjung Originally by: iqplayer I think the fact that Bob is now doing something, merely because other entities that they claim to despise use it, is also quite sad. We're doing it because we've been told that it's perfectly legitimate. I cited the other entities (since when have we "despised" AAA let alone The Establishment) because there was an undercurrent of "It's only not an exploit if BoB do it" running through the thread. Just curious, who told you? T20? Go figure In unrelated news, under no circumstances would the organizer of the Guiding Hand Social Club Annual Bingo Tournament be participating in the team that has won four times in a row.

Blood Thorn Minmatar AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.06 01:11:00 - [111] Originally by: BunnyGunny Originally by: TKarrde Just change the game code so that POS bubbles count as mobile warp disruptor bubbles, only modify it so that you stop DIRECTLY OUTSIDE the bubble instead of a few klicks inside it like with mobile warp disruptors Alternatively try to understand that nothing in life is 100% safe. "omg someone rammed the door of my shop down and robbed it, change all vehicles on the planet so it cant be done!!" No, the reality is that nothing SHOULD BE 100% safe. Unfortunately, Titans and MSs are 100% safe while doing this. That is what's wrong. ----- Let the galaxy burn
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.05.06 12:49:00 - [112] Originally by: Farjung Concerning the issue of POS bowling: Several months ago when supercapitals were somewhat newer and shinier, we thought about the possibility and even tried it a few times. A few petitions later and we were asked to desist, which we did. A couple of weeks ago I heard that Evil Thug had stolen a carrier from a POS using exactly this technique, and asked him if he had ever been told that it was an exploit by a GM. He said that on the contrary, Establishment had stolen ships from him at a POS previously using their nyx, and that he had been told that it was a legitimate use of game mechanics. One of our titan pilots subsequently petitioned it to get the current official view on the matter, and was told that it was fine, despite being the source of a lot of petitions. Since then, we've been taking the opportunity to do it every chance we get. For clarification we used the Nyx's bay for scooping instead of bumping. Odd that the GM said is was fine cos we got hit with a cease and desist order which we promptly obeyed A week later it got patched and we can no longer do it. I do wonder as to why our method was patched and the current method of "bowling" is acceptable as its the same result, just a diferent method tbh. The only way to really patch this up would be to have pos have a mobile warp disruptor effect in the way that warping to it pulls you to a speficic spot outside the field (unless u have the password entered) something I sugested but has yet to have been given any consideration.
Adeptus mecanicus The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.05.06 13:04:00 - [113] ive heard about ships being bumped out of pos's over a year ago and thats why a ship maintinence array is handy if ppl are parking ships there, but in a fight using a titan/MS as a battering ram is well....sneaky but valid atm. but that the titan/MS is overpowerd is a fact. instead if imunety make a high warp stab/sensor strength level on em so that they aint that "uber". and fore you that say it's a coalision bawling well....dont think you whold be silent in the same shoes, one thing is being defeated in a "clean" fight but being defeated by mecanics is a bitter pill to swallow.
Vanchelon Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.06 13:24:00 - [114] Edited by: Vanchelon on 06/05/2007 13:20:08 To get back on topic I have a small inquiry :) I couldn't help but notice that sov has returned to IRC as has the ZS Station, any news on that from either side? And yes I know this may very well be temporary but it proves that IRC are determined to go down swinging and as a former AWECO myself, I wish em the best of luck ^^
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:31:00 - [115] short and sweet we have regained sovereighnty and the station in zs bob jumped in a fairly large super cap/capital fleet and reinforced a bunch of towers in DB1 atm scattered small engagements going on in system but nothing to really write about. Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:14:00 - [116] Actually they reinforced a bunch of towers both in DB1 and ZS. If the current situation continues (as in nobody reacts in any way and assuming the posses that are in reinforced get destroyed) than sovereignity will change back to Digital Renegade.
Asylum Seaker Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.07 10:21:00 - [117] Originally by: Attak That fight sounds pretty grate. But this is a little grater. I'd just like to let you know that your post did not go unappreciated. The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.08 06:23:00 - [118] sorry for the previous post, hadnt heard about the towers being reinforced when I wrote that, ] atm bob jumped a titan and alot of bs and dreads in again to reinforce some more towers and possibly try to destroy the already reinforced ones, it was getting late so I logged off while this was happening not sure about final results Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.05.08 09:24:00 - [119] Edited by: Sokratesz on 08/05/2007 09:20:41 The flame is strong in this Thread ISD raped my sig!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:03:00 - [120] Sok, seriously, love the "smartbombing a sweatshop" sig. Did you manage to raise your sec status after the incident where your last smartbomb fired too late and ended up podding a full macro op? FLAMING When you can't think of logical arguments and are too dumb to STFU



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