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Varia Net
Caldari
KO Solutions
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Varia Net on 06/05/2007 21:15:05
is ruining the game for me A LOT
and I'm not the only one.
T1 ship prices, T2 ship prices, faction ship prices...
they've all become worth only a fraction of what they were like 4 months ago.
Not to speak of T2 modules.
The market is a mess,
the oridinary players, who don't got the new BPOs first hand,
as a friend's gift to a favored corp or alliance,
come to late, and meet a flooded market.
The market is broke,
and the deflation is making my assets worth a lot less than before.
If the assets' value is not guaranteed,
I won't be bothered much longer to collect more of them in this game.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 06/05/2007 21:20:03
eh? cheap t2 is good. the prices were artificially high before. (thanks industrialists!) and hopefully the BPO oligopoly will be broken by invention if we're good boys and girls.
if the deprecation of your tat bothers you that much, sell it now and save the isk. easy.
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Mac Creagors
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:28:00 -
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I have to agre on this
when I open up my assets implants who just recently go for 200m isk goes for 16m isk.
Zydrine cost before around 4000 each and now around 1000.
Ships not even worth the toilett papper this is ****
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:36:00 -
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Supply and demand.
 Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:38:00 -
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oh right. first people whine about inflation when t2 prices were really insane and certain modules were plain overpriced (cov ops cloak, t2 guns, jenny spitfire's vagabonds etc). people came with the half assed explanation of supply and demand and elaborated pages over pages of worthless economics theory (no i'm not too dumb for it, i studied that).
i do agree that t2 loot really isn't worth a lot anymore for a pvper/pirate. but that might be caused by invention and additional bpos. isn't that what people wanted? cheap t2? t2 for the masses and not a few snobs? pfft
ccp is trying to reduce the isk inflow according to their blogs. which means, something dropped from 5m to 2m now, later it might still be 2m, but those 2m are worth more because your income is reduced. "your income" is open for debate... it will nerf some people more than others.
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Shakuul
Caldari
The Imperial Commonwealth
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:44:00 -
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In a free market, asset prices change (surprise surprise). They DID announce that invention would be added, you could have sold T2 assets then if you expected the deflation, without major losses, but you didn't.
As to T1 assets I'm not sure why the price of low ends has jumped but zyd/nocx have plummeted.
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nymos
oh right. first people whine about inflation when t2 prices were really insane and certain modules were plain overpriced (cov ops cloak, t2 guns, jenny spitfire's vagabonds etc). people came with the half assed explanation of supply and demand and elaborated pages over pages of worthless economics theory (no i'm not too dumb for it, i studied that).
Why was supply and demand an insufficient explanation for the behavior of the majority of the t2 market under the BPO lottery? Yes, you can point to specific examples (like cloaks) that were clearly cartel behavior (and therefore market failures), but that didn't apply to the majority of the market.
I expect a three page essay, due tuesday.
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Onchas
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:47:00 -
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The OP has to be a troll. It has to be.
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iaikami
IAC Development and Deployment
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mac Creagors
I have to agre on this
when I open up my assets implants who just recently go for 200m isk goes for 16m isk.
Zydrine cost before around 4000 each and now around 1000.
Ships not even worth the toilett papper this is ****
you paid to much for your implants to begin with.. this is a normal market correction..
T2 needs to be cheaper. (and yes i own several t2 bpo.) as it increases its use in Combat.. which increases its volume and makes up for the loss in pricing...
basic economic cycle. nothing unexpected at all.
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Kerdrak
Amarr
3B Legio IX
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:53:00 -
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Prices are being fixed, market is fine.
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Varia Net
Caldari
KO Solutions
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Varia Net on 06/05/2007 21:57:39
Originally by: Shakuul
In a free market, asset prices change (surprise surprise). They DID announce that invention would be added, you could have sold T2 assets then if you expected the deflation, without major losses, but you didn't.
As to T1 assets I'm not sure why the price of low ends has jumped but zyd/nocx have plummeted.
In a real economy, there's something like a national treasury , bank
which uses interest rate to steer economy and market inflation/deflation.
Fact that eve does not have such institution,
while changing game rules with each new patch,
creates an unstable market.
After having allowed the oligopoly, and some selected to become uberwealthy,
we've in just a few months moved to the other extreme
where the regular player now has access to worthless T2 BPOs and production.
Tier 3 BSs, faction BSs, storyline implants...
all have dropped 40% or more in market value.
Nice to see what has become the stupidity of earning isks,
as most of what you buy, becomes worth less.
The market is a mess imo.
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Del Narveux
Obsidian Angels Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:09:00 -
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Yeah, the market is borked but 'deflation' isnt the reason. Theres 3 things going on that have created a sort of perfect storm of isk ownage
1. Big 0.0 war + new drone regions = cheap mass-sold zydrine
2. Invention = cheap t2 prices
3. Invention + salvaging = some miner types are doing missions/cosmos/RD agents now = less highsec miners = higher low end ore prices
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:19:00 -
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Mmm, deflation, really?
A year ago, Machariel, 280m. Now, 650m.
A year ago, Rattlesnake, 500m. Now, 1.2b.
The rare stuff is getting more expensive, and the common stuff is getting cheaper. That's how a market works. Switch from t2 to faction BPs.
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Varia Net
Caldari
KO Solutions
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Varia Net on 06/05/2007 22:23:38
Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban
Mmm, deflation, really?
A year ago, Machariel, 280m. Now, 650m.
A year ago, Rattlesnake, 500m. Now, 1.2b.
The rare stuff is getting more expensive, and the common stuff is getting cheaper. That's how a market works. Switch from t2 to faction BPs.
That is utter nonsense.
A year ago, a Rattlesnake was 2.1b.
Don't know about Machariel.
CNR went from 1.2b to .8b.
Crystal implants dropped 40% as well.
Mindlink implants plummeted.
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Red Crown
Kudzu Collective
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:22:00 -
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Folks stop looking at how rich your not and start looking at how rich you no longer have to be.
Not too many months ago people were complaining, legitmatly, that to PvP you had to purchase expensive items (Rigs, T2 Ships and equipment and munitions)and that it was getting very difficult to do casually. This is becoming less and less of a factor. True, Rigs still cost a bit but they have gone down and will continue to do so.
Now rapid deflation like has been happening in the Eveconomy isn't good for any economy, and you should have seen it coming over the past few months.
Your profit margins are hurting, and I don't like this deflation much either ( May mis-balance things like capitals more to major alliances, out of reach of smaller corps ) , but for the average player it isn't all that bad.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:26:00 -
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Nightmares have gone up 200m isk in the last 10 days.
Is the Op supposed to be a Haiku?
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Aleksi Maksimovich
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:28:00 -
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Red from KOS there has it right.
4 step program to feel less burned by T2 prices.
1. buy a hulk for 200mil (w00t!)
2. buy some t2 strips
3. mine some big juicy veld in a 0.5
4. sell trit for 3.5isk
now get on it already, inflation of low ends is bloody killing me 
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Chesty LaRoue
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:32:00 -
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Why is it every time I open this forum there's a new thread on how people can make tons of isk easily? 
Put some thought into what you're doing, things flucuate.
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Joebarchuck
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:38:00 -
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I am going to say the OP is just a jerk.
He cares only about himself. I personnaly lost about 1.5 billion in assets with the price drops yet I am convinced it is good for Eve.
The new players needed a break and the prices of T2 ships and mods were not definitely justified.
Who cares about the rich in Eve. The mass is what matters.
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Originally by: Nymos
oh right. first people whine about inflation when t2 prices were really insane and certain modules were plain overpriced (cov ops cloak, t2 guns, jenny spitfire's vagabonds etc). people came with the half assed explanation of supply and demand and elaborated pages over pages of worthless economics theory (no i'm not too dumb for it, i studied that).
Why was supply and demand an insufficient explanation for the behavior of the majority of the t2 market under the BPO lottery? Yes, you can point to specific examples (like cloaks) that were clearly cartel behavior (and therefore market failures), but that didn't apply to the majority of the market.
I expect a three page essay, due tuesday.
what i meant was that people responded like zombies "supply/demand u noob". of course it is supply and demand, even if a commodity is monopolized, but what if supply was broken?
the problem with t2 was that unlike in the real world people couldn't just invest cash and start researching and producing themselves (now they can). neither could you substitute t2 with something else. in reality if i think starbucks charges too much i go elsewhere. in eve, if you didn't like the prices of t2 425mm rails for 16m a pop you could fit some crappy named guns.
i'm happy this is over. there might emerge a problem with too much supply tho. after all there's more and more people starting a research career and explorers won't stop finding invention stuff. but that's not important, neither is the titan problem. ccp needs to take care of new bugs related to heat. i can only imagine what kind of instapwn setups one can create like with the mwd boost rig.
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Mr Li
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:44:00 -
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The market is being corrected, it's not a mess. CCP is also taking measures on how ISK comes to the game i.e. infusion of isk is going down, so the isk is worth more, or at least it will be when more measures are put into place. This is a good thing.
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Varia Net
In a real economy, there's something like a national treasury , bank
which uses interest rate to steer economy and market inflation/deflation.
All those things were a result of there being some problem with the economy and people looking for a way to fix it. Banks tended to fail, so in America, FDIC was created to insure that people would get at least some money back if a bank fails.
Governments tend to be very clumsy in managing an economy directly. The more successful government economic programs tend to gently guide behavior. Economy flys high, so increase interest rates to encourage saving. Economy sinks, so decrease interest rates to encourage spending.
The Tech 2 lottery was a large, clumsy attempt by the people who play the role of the Eve government (CCP) to control the economy. The pain of a market correction phase was inevitable when the lottery was no longer the primary means to get into the Tech 2 market, but it will move things to a far better position over time since the supply is no longer so inelastic.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:55:00 -
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I like it!
No more 100x markups for t2 bpo holders ftw.
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nymos
what i meant was that people responded like zombies "supply/demand u noob". of course it is supply and demand, even if a commodity is monopolized, but what if supply was broken?
the problem with t2 was that unlike in the real world people couldn't just invest cash and start researching and producing themselves (now they can).
There are real-world examples where the supply can't get any bigger. Real Estate, for instance. As long as the population of people who want to own land grows, demand for land will always go up, while supply stays the same, excepting advancements in colonizing other worlds. That's what makes land such a great investment.
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there might emerge a problem with too much supply tho.
Market corrections are rarely instant and painless, of course (despite how the theory looks in economic textbooks--just look at the major housing market correction in the US right now), but an oversupply under the invention system will be counteracted by people getting out of the market when they can't make good margins.
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Makhan
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Posted - 2007.05.06 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Makhan on 06/05/2007 23:00:42
Boo Frakking Hoo, everybody whined about T2 prices, and this is the outcome. And besides I don't see that big a difference to the value of assets anyway.
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Hellman109
Gallente
Magnetar Ltd
Dark Synergy
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Posted - 2007.05.06 23:11:00 -
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^^ The federal reserve isnt government.
Yep you heard right, the main controller of US finance is a privately owned operation.
Oh, and they dont even log what they say in meetings.
But then again, with the US government how they are, maybe thats a good thing.
Is the sell price of these items below the price to make them? if not, then there are no problems.
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heheheh
Singularity.
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.05.06 23:22:00 -
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Im glad its how it is,
Its not broke,
Just not how you want it.
Unlucky dude, you bought those t2 bpos for far too much.
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Taketa De
Gallente
Seneca Federation
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.06 23:25:00 -
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I don't think the OP really undertands what inflation/deflation means.
T2 prices were never indicative on inflation/deflation just as Ferrari prices aren't. You can't measure inflation/deflation on luxury items, you need to measure across a lot of base items. So if you want people to take your rants about this seriously, put together a base basket of goods (without luxury items), watch prices changes over time (at least measured in months, prefereably data over 1-1.5 years) and then come back to us about your observations.
Minerals for instance have been a mixed bag with some going up and some going down in worth, which seems to be due to supply/demand issues (just as T2) and not due to changes in the value of the ISK (which is what inflation/deflation is).
However since most things are made out of minerals, changes in mineral prices can of course have inflationary and deflationary effects.
Do a little research, learn what the terms all mean and how to measure them without putting in so much emotional bias and it would be something constructive for the community.
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Lysit Kaune
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.06 23:28:00 -
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I don't see it, at all. Im currently making money off the market and thats only because of the falling prices, and I don't manufactor/loot/salvage for my profit.
Oh, and can I have your stuff?
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.06 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Taketa De
I don't think the OP really undertands what inflation/deflation means.
T2 prices were never indicative on inflation/deflation just as Ferrari prices aren't. You can't measure inflation/deflation on luxury items, you need to measure across a lot of base items. So if you want people to take your rants about this seriously, put together a base basket of goods (without luxury items), watch prices changes over time (at least measured in months, prefereably data over 1-1.5 years) and then come back to us about your observations.
Minerals for instance have been a mixed bag with some going up and some going down in worth, which seems to be due to supply/demand issues (just as T2) and not due to changes in the value of the ISK (which is what inflation/deflation is).
However since most things are made out of minerals, changes in mineral prices can of course have inflationary and deflationary effects.
Do a little research, learn what the terms all mean and how to measure them without putting in so much emotional bias and it would be something constructive for the community.
Well, he might not be totally right from a purely economic standpoint, but it's easy to see what he means.
Isk is generally getting easier and easier to get, and prices have generally been falling fast. Losing a ship just doesn't have the sting that it used to.
I agree, something should be done to lower supply of many implants/T2 items/faction stuff. Also, maybe ships should use more high end minerals, because as it stands, many more high ends are coming from the drone regions than are needed by the market.
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Karasuma Akane
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.06 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Varia Net
and the deflation is making my assets worth a lot less than before.
The market is working exactly how it is supposed to. Or did you expect your 'stuff' to magically gain in value while it sat in your hangars?
You should have sold your precious assets while the prices for them were high (as many T2 producers did, expecting prices to drop precipitously with the advent of Invention), and perhaps bought other/new assets for a low price that you expected to rise in value.
Welcome to Economics 101 and Market PvP, the value of your assets is NOT guaranteed. Or did you also want your ships to magically reassemble themselves after they've been blasted to bits (also guaranteeing your 'asset').
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.07 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hellman109
^^ The federal reserve isnt government.
Yep you heard right, the main controller of US finance is a privately owned operation.
The federal reserve was created by the government. While it might meet the political definition of "government", it qualifies as a government for economic purposes.
Different disciplines often have different definitions for things. It only matters that the definitions are useful and applied consistently within a discipline.
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R3dSh1ft
FIRMA
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Posted - 2007.05.07 00:34:00 -
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space is too crowded
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.07 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: R3dSh1ft
space is too crowded
Space is big
Space is dark
It's hard to find
A place to park
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cesar medina
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Posted - 2007.05.07 00:53:00 -
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I like the fact that the market is droping.
makes it easer for new player to injoy the game more since the market droped I been making a killing buying cheap selling high at low sec system were ships die daily.
and now owning some I thought I would never get any time soon.
now im looking forward to owning my first hulk and such items like that.
To me its GREAT NEWS
hopefully it drops more that I could buy a T2 ship for under 200 mil at least some of them 
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Xiaodown
Lyran Procurement
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Posted - 2007.05.07 01:04:00 -
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Simple solution: If your material assets are increasing in value, convert your liquid into material. If you material assets are DECREASING IN VALUE (what's happening right now in eve with everything from zyd to T2 modules) then convert your material assets into liquid assets.
In short, the decrease in value of modules and minerals can conversely be described as an increase in the value of isk. If you don't want to get hit hard, convert everything you're not using to isk and wait to ride out the wave. If you're lucky, you can be more wealthy in terms of buying power after the deflation. For example, if you sell your T2 X-Large shield booster for X isk, and then in 2 months the price of that module has halved, the same isk value will buy you TWO X-Large T2 shield boosters.
In markets like this, ISK is the best investment. But, the sooner you get in on it, the better. The more people who realize this, the more people who will be liquidating their assets. It will speed the deflation.
~Xiao
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Posted - 2007.05.07 01:08:00 -
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Deflation?
I went away for two weeks, while I was away three items i buy in large quantities tripled in price. Am I missing something? 
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.07 02:08:00 -
[38]
HURRAH FOR INVENTION!
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Cudaya Ebsldes
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Posted - 2007.05.07 02:09:00 -
[39]
First, EVE is not repeat not an economic game. Someone said it best in reply to my alt, Quote:
BTW, I believe the Eve economy and particularly the market to be broken. The Market itself is incredibly broken as a result of its very limited mechanics. It is not a *Free* Market and Eve's economy is not a *Free* economy. At best, it is a "Planned Economy" and a "Directed Market", and suffers the expected consequences.
I have no desire to revive this short thread as it turns into everyones desire to manage an already mangled econmic system?
I personally have given up on this aspect of EVE and on EVE in general.
There in short is no value to isk. There is no value in relation of one article to another. All is constantly in flux, a flux not caused by the players actions but by the devs adding content without linking it to anything other than the seeming idea of scarcity or their desire to influence PVP game play (with a bone or two (or is it a misdirectiion)thrown to PVE).
Have a nice day. (I really hate that term)
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.05.07 02:18:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Cudaya Ebsldes
I have no desire to revive this short thread as it turns into everyones desire to manage an already mangled econmic system?
Thus the linkage in my quote :) </shameless promotion>
But what someone said is right,, the deflation of item prices is actually an increase in the value of isk, since people have been complaining about the decreasing value of isk.
Further, i'm glad to see prices crashing because this'll push in room for more levels of tech,,, my concern being that if there ever was Tech 3 it'd be at officer-costs considering the scale of tech 2 costs.
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Emolayshun
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Posted - 2007.05.07 02:28:00 -
[41]
Another way to look at is that the massive profit margin for a handful of people is crashing, resulting in significantly cheaper t2 ships and modules for the average player. I still make more or less the same money belt ratting or missioning that I did 4 months ago, but it costs me far less to t2 outfit a ship now.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.07 02:43:00 -
[42]
the death of the few for the good of the many
hurrah !
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BluOrange
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.07 04:12:00 -
[43]
In my opinion, the reason why the market is such a mess is because the penalties for bad business practices in EVE are far far milder than in the real world.
Manufacturers are failing to do any meaningful market research and are often selling ships for less than their mineral value. In the real world, business like that are closed down by their creditors or otherwise disappear off the map. But EVE is a sandbox, and no matter how badly you play, you don't get kicked out of the game.
However, it's not difficult to make money in EVE if you do a little homework. You just have to look beyond the obvious.
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NayTech Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.07 04:17:00 -
[44]
You gambled and lost. Congrats.
I bought Nighthawks before CCP fixed them.
I gambled and won.
So it goes.
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Soulesk
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Posted - 2007.05.07 04:49:00 -
[45]
With the decrease in the prices this leads to more fights in Eve, I hate to say it but when it costs more to buy 1 mod like a PDU II than the ship itself it kinda deters you from wanting to risk it fighting someone.
The lower the prices become the better it will be for the Eve economy because I believe the ideology is to reduce prices to increase more battles which leads to an increase in the demand of modules.
Hopefully prices will continue to decrease for some items that are still too highly priced but I believe it will balance out in time.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.07 04:55:00 -
[46]
To be honest, right now its a pilot's market, cheap BSs and BCs are sweet from my perspective  .
And to be fair, if people don't like it, they can try something else. The number of miners will decrease, and less minerals will be mined, meaning smaller supplies to balance out mineral prices again. Same concept with builders, the market will regulate itself.
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Tonkin
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.07 05:10:00 -
[47]
the bpo holders the market hoes are not laughing anymore
besides i can buy more ships to pew pew in.
YAY NEW REGIONS AND YAY TO INVENTION
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Shakuul
Caldari
The Imperial Commonwealth
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.05.07 06:41:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Varia Net
In a real economy, there's something like a national treasury , bank
which uses interest rate to steer economy and market inflation/deflation.
Fact that eve does not have such institution,
while changing game rules with each new patch,
creates an unstable market.
After having allowed the oligopoly, and some selected to become uberwealthy, we've in just a few months moved to the other extreme
where the regular player now has access to worthless T2 BPOs and production.
Tier 3 BSs, faction BSs, storyline implants...
all have dropped 40% or more in market value.
Nice to see what has become the stupidity of earning isks,
as most of what you buy, becomes worth less.
The market is a mess imo.
The real world has devices to control deflation because in the real world deflation is bad, since it discourages lending, which lowers production, and so on. In EVE, there is no lending, because you can't reliably collect on loans, so I don't see how "deflation" would be a problem in EVE.
Sure, assets become worth less, but I don't see how that makes the game less fun for everyone. In general, cheaper ships mean more people can access and enjoy them.
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Chewan Mesa
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.07 06:48:00 -
[49]
lol?
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MissyDark
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Posted - 2007.05.07 07:57:00 -
[50]
Edited by: MissyDark on 07/05/2007 07:53:40
Originally by: Varia Net
Edited by: Varia Net on 06/05/2007 21:15:05
is ruining the game for me A LOT
and I'm not the only one.
Good!
Originally by: Varia Net
T1 ship prices, T2 ship prices, faction ship prices...
they've all become worth only a fraction of what they were like 4 months ago.
Not to speak of T2 modules.
Your loss is my gain. I need to worry less about isk to keep pvp going.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.07 07:57:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Shakuul
Originally by: Varia Net
In a real economy, there's something like a national treasury , bank
which uses interest rate to steer economy and market inflation/deflation.
Fact that eve does not have such institution,
while changing game rules with each new patch,
creates an unstable market.
After having allowed the oligopoly, and some selected to become uberwealthy, we've in just a few months moved to the other extreme
where the regular player now has access to worthless T2 BPOs and production.
Tier 3 BSs, faction BSs, storyline implants...
all have dropped 40% or more in market value.
Nice to see what has become the stupidity of earning isks,
as most of what you buy, becomes worth less.
The market is a mess imo.
The real world has devices to control deflation because in the real world deflation is bad, since it discourages lending, which lowers production, and so on. In EVE, there is no lending, because you can't reliably collect on loans, so I don't see how "deflation" would be a problem in EVE.
Sure, assets become worth less, but I don't see how that makes the game less fun for everyone. In general, cheaper ships mean more people can access and enjoy them.
Actually deflation is still bad without lending because it also discourages consumption, lower consumption then leads to more deflation, which leads to excess stock and recession potentially. Of course, since Eve lacks certain mechanisms in the production department (no price for storage, no continuing costs for empire production and no unemployment) as well has a natural motivator for consumption through PvP that changes a bit, but deflation is not 'just a good thing' for Eve. Of course, personally I am very happy with lower T2 prices
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Suada
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Posted - 2007.05.07 08:33:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Varia Net
Edited by: Varia Net on 06/05/2007 21:15:05
is ruining the game for me A LOT
and I'm not the only one.
T1 ship prices, T2 ship prices, faction ship prices...
they've all become worth only a fraction of what they were like 4 months ago.
Not to speak of T2 modules.
The market is a mess,
the oridinary players, who don't got the new BPOs first hand,
as a friend's gift to a favored corp or alliance,
come to late, and meet a flooded market.
The market is broke,
and the deflation is making my assets worth a lot less than before.
If the assets' value is not guaranteed,
I won't be bothered much longer to collect more of them in this game.
Umm.. Deflation makes money more valuable because your money has more purchasing power. I've never heard anyone complain about deflation. Dropping prices is a good thing. You should complain when prices are steadily increasing (inflation), because your money is worth less. |
Suada
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Posted - 2007.05.07 08:45:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Shakuul
The real world has devices to control deflation because in the real world deflation is bad, since it discourages lending, which lowers production, and so on. In EVE, there is no lending, because you can't reliably collect on loans, so I don't see how "deflation" would be a problem in EVE.
Deflation is ALWAYS better than inflation in the real world. Deflation = more purchasing power. It doesn't hurt the economy or the consumer. Inflation is almost always bad because the value of your money drops, which makes you have to spend more (or borrow money) in order to afford things as the price climbs. The ONLY time inflation is healthy is when demand is larger than the supply on specific goods or services. The Fed constantly manipulating the value of the dollar is going to backfire 100 fold and everyone is going to suffer for it.
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Angelica Krem
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Posted - 2007.05.07 08:47:00 -
[54]
oh god, this has to be a troll.
Im not the only one sighing with relief that I dont have to grind isk as much to get some of the equipment I need, now I can actually play the game instead of focusing on maintaining a healthy income to afford playing the game.
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Lady Beauvoir
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Posted - 2007.05.07 08:48:00 -
[55]
I really fail to see how "the market is a mess" or "deflation is causing my assets worth a lot less than before".
I'm a trade alt. I trade and manufacture to make ISK for my PVP main. When the market in EVE is as small as it is, the important thing to do is to keep a diverse portfolio. I have my ISK in T2 BPO's, T2 modules, T1 modules, ISK and to some extent in minerals. The market fluctuation has not really changed my profits much.
If one desires nothing but that that the "the assets' value is - - guaranteed" One should invest in assets that do not vary in price, such as T1 ship BPO's. Those always sell for at lest the NPC sell price.
I'm advocating a diverse portfolio of items for every player, no matter how much ISK he has. If the items in your hangar are for use, then it's all the same how much they are worth, isn't it (since they are not for resale anyway)? For all other assets, diversify! :)
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Torm Ilmater
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.05.07 09:04:00 -
[56]
z0mg I don't have to bend over backwards to fit out another pvp ship anymore? Well that needs to be fixed!
Seriously, the cheaper goods have made it so I don't need to grind forever to get a little money together to buy & fit something that might only last a few minutes in pvp. Sorry but I'll take the current state of affairs and let the T2 BPO owners cry about how their BPO isn't a super ISK printer anymore.
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Krugerrand
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.07 09:16:00 -
[57]
Interesting thread...
Prices of items change in value all the time, not just in Eve, but RL as well. Luxury goods become more common place over time and their price drops to something more affordable. It's up to you to spot these trends, when an item is now starting to become of less value, and sell it while you can make a profit. You can buy them when they are cheaper and wait for them to raise in price again.
I saw machariels mentioned, I've seen these fluctuate in price as supply and demand changes weekly. At times they have been 800m, then 500m, then back to 800m again.
Invention is good in many ways, and T2 BPOs are not "worthless", they are worth less than before, but still sell for a high amount of ISK and have a guaranteed build supply, unlike invention. The biggest problem from invention is the best PvPers have lost their largest source of income and are having to adapt to find other sources.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.07 09:18:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Suada
Originally by: Shakuul
The real world has devices to control deflation because in the real world deflation is bad, since it discourages lending, which lowers production, and so on. In EVE, there is no lending, because you can't reliably collect on loans, so I don't see how "deflation" would be a problem in EVE.
Deflation is ALWAYS better than inflation in the real world. Deflation = more purchasing power. It doesn't hurt the economy or the consumer. Inflation is almost always bad because the value of your money drops, which makes you have to spend more (or borrow money) in order to afford things as the price climbs. The ONLY time inflation is healthy is when demand is larger than the supply on specific goods or services. The Fed constantly manipulating the value of the dollar is going to backfire 100 fold and everyone is going to suffer for it.
Incorrect. Mild inflation is better than deflation. Deflation (such as seen in Japan for example over the last decade) is really bad for consumption and leads to recession. Inflation is good in the sense that it makes it more attractive to consume since your money will be worth less in a years time. Central banks generally have an inflation target of around 1-2%, they will lower interest rates when inflation drops too low, and will raise rates only when inflation starts to rise over about 2% generally.
Hyperinflation is of course very bad as it will lead to distorting effects in terms of people/companies not being able to hold much cash and increasing uncertainty, but inflation at 1-2% is nothing more than a 'bit of oil to lubricate the economic engine'.
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Keven
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Posted - 2007.05.07 09:25:00 -
[59]
So youre making only 1 bil instead of 2 bil a day now?
Im so sorry for your loss, cookie?
You can still make loads of money so what are you complainig about? About us non-uber-rich people being able to buy tII and actualy being able to risk it in our first steps of pvp?
stfu
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Malcanis
High4Life
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Posted - 2007.05.07 09:27:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Karasuma Akane
Originally by: Varia Net
and the deflation is making my assets worth a lot less than before.
The market is working exactly how it is supposed to. Or did you expect your 'stuff' to magically gain in value while it sat in your hangars?
You should have sold your precious assets while the prices for them were high (as many T2 producers did, expecting prices to drop precipitously with the advent of Invention), and perhaps bought other/new assets for a low price that you expected to rise in value.
Welcome to Economics 101 and Market PvP, the value of your assets is NOT guaranteed. Or did you also want your ships to magically reassemble themselves after they've been blasted to bits (also guaranteeing your 'asset').
Saying T2 BPO owners aren't guaranteed huge profits is COMMUNISM!
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Shakuul
Caldari
The Imperial Commonwealth
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:09:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Actually deflation is still bad without lending because it also discourages consumption, lower consumption then leads to more deflation, which leads to excess stock and recession potentially. Of course, since Eve lacks certain mechanisms in the production department (no price for storage, no continuing costs for empire production and no unemployment) as well has a natural motivator for consumption through PvP that changes a bit, but deflation is not 'just a good thing' for Eve. Of course, personally I am very happy with lower T2 prices
If deflation did in fact reduce production (in EVE), wouldn't you expect volumes to drop? I certainly haven't seen that.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:16:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Shakuul
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Actually deflation is still bad without lending because it also discourages consumption, lower consumption then leads to more deflation, which leads to excess stock and recession potentially. Of course, since Eve lacks certain mechanisms in the production department (no price for storage, no continuing costs for empire production and no unemployment) as well has a natural motivator for consumption through PvP that changes a bit, but deflation is not 'just a good thing' for Eve. Of course, personally I am very happy with lower T2 prices
If deflation did in fact reduce production (in EVE), wouldn't you expect volumes to drop? I certainly haven't seen that.
Eve works differently because production costs are near 0, and storage costs are zero, but for example I think lots of people are holding off on buying say an incognito ship data interface because it was sharply dropping in price. If you see a price of a data interface drop from 800m to 500m and you don't absolutely need it right away, wouldn't you wait to see if it was gonna drop further? That is the effect deflation has on consumption.
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:24:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Suada
Umm.. Deflation makes money more valuable because your money has more purchasing power. I've never heard anyone complain about deflation. Dropping prices is a good thing. You should complain when prices are steadily increasing (inflation), because your money is worth less.
No, deflation is not always a good thing. Deflation is good if (like me) you have a lot of your wealth saved in liquid isk. It's bad if you have your wealth in durable goods (like ships).
The US dollar recently hit about $2/UK Pound. Is that good or bad? Well, it's good if you're in the UK and want to take a vacation in the US, since your money can go farther. It's bad if you're in the UK and have a lot of investments in American companies.
Same thing here--it all depends on what you're doing with your money.
In fact, inflation getting too low can be a bad sign in the real world. There's always a small unemployment rate from people being replaced by better technology (though this generally comes with more openings in higher-tech positions). A 2% unemployment rate is considered healthy, which does generate some inflation as a side effect.
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Shakuul
Caldari
The Imperial Commonwealth
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:32:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Shakuul
Eve works differently because production costs are near 0, and storage costs are zero, but for example I think lots of people are holding off on buying say an incognito ship data interface because it was sharply dropping in price. If you see a price of a data interface drop from 800m to 500m and you don't absolutely need it right away, wouldn't you wait to see if it was gonna drop further? That is the effect deflation has on consumption.
If you look at a lot of items the price was so high people were never buying them in the first place. The expected falling prices discourage consumption, but this is offset by the fact that prices are already so low. Before, cap recharger IIs were going for 25mil, you'd think twice before buying one. Now, with the price around 3mil, do you really care if they drop another 500k?
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Aterna
Talon's Grasp
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Posted - 2007.05.07 20:11:00 -
[65]
Saying deflation is bad, and using examples of rare high cost items is foolish. Yes, people will reconsider investing in a rattlesnake if prices are dropping sharply. They don't want to have their investment devalued by half, when it is an investment on such a large scale.
For a simple comparison, I would hold off on buying a new BMW if the price started falling from $60,000 by several grand a day. But by god, if I need to clean my bathroom, im not going to wait for a bottle of cleaner to bottom out at .57c from 2.87 before I clean. I am going to buy it now.
If I need a PvP ship, I am not going to wait until tomorrow and see if that 10mn MWD II is half price, I am going to buy it, go out, and get blown up. That item is a disposable commodity to me. It is not an investment.
All of the investment theory being flung about on this thread is referring to the economy as if people buy this stuff and stockpile it, only to sell it later. This isn't the case, as the vast majority of EVE's players buy it, use it, lose it, and repeat the process.
The only thing this really affects, are the traders and industrialists who didn't do their market and FOTM research.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 00:34:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Aterna
Saying deflation is bad, and using examples of rare high cost items is foolish. Yes, people will reconsider investing in a rattlesnake if prices are dropping sharply. They don't want to have their investment devalued by half, when it is an investment on such a large scale.
For a simple comparison, I would hold off on buying a new BMW if the price started falling from $60,000 by several grand a day. But by god, if I need to clean my bathroom, im not going to wait for a bottle of cleaner to bottom out at .57c from 2.87 before I clean. I am going to buy it now.
If I need a PvP ship, I am not going to wait until tomorrow and see if that 10mn MWD II is half price, I am going to buy it, go out, and get blown up. That item is a disposable commodity to me. It is not an investment.
All of the investment theory being flung about on this thread is referring to the economy as if people buy this stuff and stockpile it, only to sell it later. This isn't the case, as the vast majority of EVE's players buy it, use it, lose it, and repeat the process.
The only thing this really affects, are the traders and industrialists who didn't do their market and FOTM research.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 01:29:00 -
[67]
Quote:
All of the investment theory being flung about on this thread is referring to the economy as if people buy this stuff and stockpile it, only to sell it later. This isn't the case, as the vast majority of EVE's players buy it, use it, lose it, and repeat the process.
Indeed,, QFT. It's the market monkeys who sit around all day tweaking prices by an isk here or 100 isk there who do this, all you have to do is look at some of the existing markets *cough* fernite carbide *cough* to see examples of this, thus a lot of my reasoning behind the link in my sig.
The things which affect market prices is
A) the difficulty to manufacture (combination of skills and acquisition of materials)
B) the availability of materials
C) the number of people manufacturing
D) the number of sales
While CCP controls availability factors, it's the players and the choices they make as to whether they want to put in x-effort who affect prices.
With the prevalence of Invention, T2 prices have dropped sure, but look at the price of named items now, there's been a marked increase in costs (just look at Arbalest Heavy Missile Launchers),, so regardless,,
A) something drops in price=more people are doing it
B) more people are doing it = more demand for materials/tools to manufacture
C) more demand for materials/tools to manufacture = increase in price of those items
and so on.
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Nyabinghi
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.08 04:34:00 -
[68]
Just outta curiosity I ask: Wouldn't deflation mean more PVP and less likelihood of blobs?
Meaning that if it took you only 4 days to earn the isk to buy a certain ship + mods as oppose to a week or more then the possibility of losing said ship and mods would not be so heavy a set back. Thus people would be willing to take greater risks and not wait till they have a 10+ ship fleet before undocking and engaging other ships.
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thetwilitehour
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.08 06:26:00 -
[69]
Even if the Eve economy is overall showing deflation, its not really a bad thing because markets in eve dont really work the way they do in the real world. The danger in deflation in the real world is that goods will not be produced because the profit from the goods is going down, so nominal wages drop due to unemployment, and a recession is created. In Eve there isnt really "unemployment" although ISK may be sitting unused. In essence since projects do not pay off as much as they would during inflation (because once you buy the goods the value of the goods drops etc..) this could lead to a decrease in real GDP for all of Eve. But improvment in living conditions for Eve citizens isnt dependent on an increasing real GDP, its contigent on the purchasing power of their isk vs a relatively fixed market basket.
Anyway whats really going on is a market correction because the T2 market had a bubble (both in BPOS and produced items) due to the artificial barrier to competition. This is what is supposed to happen when that barrier is removed - price levels drop. As more people are willing to purchase goods, the short term aggregate demand rises, the overall quantity of goods supplied rises even if prices drop.
In short - good for inventors, good for your average eve player, bad for T2 BPO holders.
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Groox
Enterprise Estonia
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Posted - 2007.05.08 09:57:00 -
[70]
I liked the reference to Market PvP in case of T2 stuff. You just got owned. Your money making skills were not enough to predict invention impact while others reacted swiftly.
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OneSock
PLuSQuAMPERFEkT iNc
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:15:00 -
[71]
Good IMO. Cheaper ships = more pew pew.
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Gefex
Novastorm Inc
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.08 11:40:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Cudaya Ebsldes
There in short is no value to isk. There is no value in relation of one article to another. All is constantly in flux, a flux not caused by the players actions but by the devs adding content without linking it to anything other than the seeming idea of scarcity or their desire to influence PVP game play (with a bone or two (or is it a misdirectiion)thrown to PVE).
True, but to create a true 'free' economy the players themselves would have to control the influx of new items and consumables.
In the real world, the markets are driven by innovation, r&d, improved manufacturing processes etc. Not just supply and demand.
I think we can all see the obvious flaws with this system .. (the minute we see the first Frigate mounted DDD's? )
There HAS to be some degree of control, personally I think EVE has the best market system of any MMO. True its not perfect, but really the only mistake has been the T2 lottery system. Which is just now balancing itself out.
The real winners here are the people who are shrewd enough to see whats coming, and sell fast when they see market crashes coming in certain areas.
The dev blog is kinda like your own personal stock market predictor.
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Ethelda
Green Gecko Inc.
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 11:45:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Varia Net
Edited by: Varia Net on 06/05/2007 21:15:05
is ruining the game for me A LOT
so when you selling your BPOs?
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Pimm
Gallente
BVB LOGISTICS INC.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 11:59:00 -
[74]
you can't really compare MMO economy with real world economy. First real world is larger much larger and there is competition alot of competition. If you decide to sell a car 20,000$ someone will come and sell something similar for 18,000$ Sure it won't have a cup holder but you don't care. Also in the real world people won;t give you 90% of their salaries so you can build a Titan.
All inflation in MMO's are based on player greed, plain and simple. But the greed factor will always go away as more and more people reach the elevated plateau.
I find markets in MMO's often inflated by Gold/ISK buyers, but once those guys have got what they wanted they go away until something better comes along. The average player with common sense won't pay stupid price for stuff, they'll train to make what they need first. Weather is Spellcrafting in DAOC/Warcraft or Manufacturing in EvE.
Eventually the cost of stuff comes down to what it should be.
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2007.05.08 12:11:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Chrysalis D''lilth on 08/05/2007 12:08:45
So T2 BPO Owners can now only make a HUGE profit instead of a Ridiculously HUGE profit?
(I completely fail to see btw how a new player to eve is going to feel upset that he has to pay only 2-4 million for some T2 mods instead of 6-10 million - I can't tell you how mad I am at having to pay less than 25million for a covert ops cloak than the 80 million I used too pay!)
You still get to produce unlimited mods without having to pay invention costs which are the most expensive part of the new T2 production....
Without those costs, a T2 mod costs you what to produce ? 200,000 isk tops in materials with a sale price tag of over 4 million?
Cry me a river, invention is a great step towards balancing the playing field and a massive improvement over how T2 used to be handed out. Its the best industrial change thats been made to eve in the last year.
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Grimster
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.08 12:19:00 -
[76]
As the OP stated there's not only a problem with the T2 market (but I'd consider this a lesser problem - T2's been well overinflated for the longest time) but the start-up corps are having some real difficulty making T1 builds worth doing.
Example:
You can buy a Thorax cruiser for about 200k over NPC mineral price, this makes stuff like hauling electronic parts for NPC corps way more profitable than building, it's hardly worth the outlay for the BPO with prices that low as you're barely covering costs.
AFAIK it's the recent Zydrine crash that's at least partly to blame for this due to the opening of the new drone areas and the loot drops.
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Dolika
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.08 12:39:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Dolika on 08/05/2007 12:41:03
Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth
Without those costs, a T2 mod costs you what to produce ? 200,000 isk tops in materials with a sale price tag of over 4 million?
Which item, besides the T2 cap recharger who has been debated over and over and agree the cartel was a ripoff of all eve players, has such a ratio? Can you name 5 BPO's out of hundreds handed out?
Also mind that most people who own a T2 BPO today have bought it and have not scored 30 BPOs through lottery.
EDIT:
P.S. It's not like you stick 200k isk int the factory slot and get a mod out. Have you seen build requirements for T2 modules - ever? 17 components are needed to build a bustard: http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/EN/ships/transportships/caldari/12731.asp
Have you tried logistics on that? Multiply that by 10 if the badass carebear owns 10 BPOs
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.05.08 12:47:00 -
[78]
Edited by: ry ry on 08/05/2007 12:43:55
HACs
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Dolika
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.08 12:54:00 -
[79]
Otherwise i agree with the majority of posters in this thread. Prices of T2 stuff have gone down to normal levels and that will add to the enjoyment of thousands of players in eve who can now finally afford the top of the line setups.
Big ups to CCP for having the balls but don't go overboard with it
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Dolika
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.08 13:26:00 -
[80]
Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 08/05/2007 12:43:55
HACs
Good one.
HACs had exorbant prices going up to 260million for a vagabond but that did not stop people from buying them so it was more like supply vs. demand that was driving the price upwards. AFAIK there was no cartel involved in fixing the prices of HACs unlike the T2 cap recharger.
It's CCP's mistake when they thought 7 ships a day can satisfy their demand and dispite the fact the number of subscriptions doubled since the BPO's were seeded they were sticking their heads in the sand and not listening to the public outcry for more BPOs. Only recently this has changed and i applaude CCP for finally seeidng more BPOs and bringing out invention.
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Etruscus
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Posted - 2007.05.08 14:40:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Varia Net
The market is a mess,
the oridinary players
who don't got the new BPOs first hand
as a friend's gift to a favored corp or alliance
come to late
and meet a flooded market.
The market is broke.
I shifted some of the above sentences around to make his bad grammer and poor logic look (and feel) more like poetry. I feel I have done the community a service in this thread. Feel free to send me ISK donations. I have also decided to make a haiku in tribute to the above:
Supply and Demand
Is the only Law in Eve
Please, get used to it
Let's see if we can make this the new haiku thread.
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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2007.05.08 15:33:00 -
[82]
Well, as much as I do not like to see my profits go down either, I can hardly say it is broke.
This was intended and its not necessarily a bad thing.
Remember.. T3.. T4...T5... they are all coming about.
The cycle will start over again so get creative.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.08 17:39:00 -
[83]
Edited by: SiJira on 08/05/2007 17:35:48
Originally by: Spaceman Jack
Well, as much as I do not like to see my profits go down either, I can hardly say it is broke.
This was intended and its not necessarily a bad thing.
Remember.. T3.. T4...T5... they are all coming about.
The cycle will start over again so get creative.
that will be dumb as heck
unless instead of makin t3 fully better just make them more unique (thats how its gonna be) and do the same with t4 and do the same with t5
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Sexy Schoolgirl
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Posted - 2007.05.08 18:38:00 -
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Look at both sides... before you had 90% of Eve whining about price gouging cartels holding monopolies on t2... NOW, you have about 10% of Eve (those t2 makers) whining about the low prices others have flooded the market with. Seems fine to me. T2 has been a new tech for quite some time, its standard now, and prices are finally near normal. All t2 makers who whine can just bend over and take a wiff of my sweaty balls... thats what hard work is about... blood, sweat, and tears... not a lucky lottery.
Whine away t2 makers.
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Earthan
Gallente
The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters
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Posted - 2007.05.09 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Varia Net
Edited by: Varia Net on 06/05/2007 21:15:05
is ruining the game for me A LOT
and I'm not the only one.
T1 ship prices, T2 ship prices, faction ship prices...
they've all become worth only a fraction of what they were like 4 months ago.
Not to speak of T2 modules.
The market is a mess,
the oridinary players, who don't got the new BPOs first hand,
as a friend's gift to a favored corp or alliance,
come to late, and meet a flooded market.
The market is broke,
and the deflation is making my assets worth a lot less than before.
If the assets' value is not guaranteed,
I won't be bothered much longer to collect more of them in this game.
disagree t2 prices seem to get reasonable at last.
Only thik i agree zyd prices seem to go mad...
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Mortania
Minmatar
Carbide Industries
Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 04:51:00 -
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Look, if they didn't make invention now, how else would BoD keep their competitive edge? Now that they can't keep their BPOs anymore, might as well take thier ball and go home, and lock all of their 100s of B into a higher worth by inflating the worth of ISK.
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I have to say, I'm terribly surprised I havent seen a post like that yet.
Bravo, EVE, we are getting more mature!
* breaks her arm patting herself on her back.
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