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Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:08:00 -
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The Incarna patch felt like a disaster for lots of reasons, but in the wake of WiS, NeX store and the fearless memo one thing went by almost unnoticed:
The removal of unscannable ships
Before Incarna as a casual solo player you had a chance to travel to low/null sec and do stuff there with a certain chance not to get blown up by the next best roaming gang and PvP fitted ship. You had to make your ship unscannable.
Making your ship unscannable was hard. You had so sacrifice A LOT of tank or damage and therefore flying an unscannable ship was harder than say a normal ratting or mission ship. But as a good pilot with expansive equipment you could manage.
It was also thrilling for people living in low/null sec looking out for an expansive killmail every now and then. Unscannable ships werent immortal, just a little harder to get. You needed to be smart. Scan people out with directional scans, set traps at gates or stations or wait for them in a certain belt.
And you needed to maximize the scanning ability of your character and ship to absolute perfection for an occasional very rewarding kill.
Thats all part of the past now and one more VERY INTERESTING feature of the sandbox is gone.
Therefore I petition to bring back unscannable ships in the way it was before Incarna.
Whos with me? |
Bob Random
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:12:00 -
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Nobody.
Fit a cloak. |
DelBoy Trades
Enslave.
GIANTSBANE.
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:15:00 -
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Unscannable boosters/mission runners were a pain the arse, they will not be missed.
Damn nature, you scary! |
Barkaial Starfinder
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:20:00 -
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You can still do everything you mentioned on your post, except it's not impossible to find you anymore, just as hard as your efforts to hide.
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Thomas Abernathy
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:23:00 -
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it's called a covops/recon/T3. When properly fitted, totally unscannable, I swear!
"Fighting CCD since 2139" |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
633
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:30:00 -
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Thomas Abernathy wrote:it's called a covops/recon/T3. When properly fitted, totally unscannable, I swear!
tss tss tss you forgot black ops... you're unforgivable !
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1184
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:40:00 -
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Zevina wrote:Whos with me?
Nobody with any sense.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
86
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:44:00 -
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Frankly they ought to remove command bonuses from T3 ships altogether.
End of argument then.
Edited to make it clearer.... |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
510
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:56:00 -
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I have a counterproposal:
Let's create a sticky thread in which the OP maintains a list of bad ideas. Along with that thread, a new forum rule is added: Before making suggestions on changes to Eve, one must consult that list and see if their idea is already on it. If they post the idea anyway, they get a one-week gag on the forums so that their thread can die in peace. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
510
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:57:00 -
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Othran wrote:Frankly they ought to remove command bonuses from T3 ships altogether.
End of argument then.
Edited to make it clearer....
Or just limit boosting to the local grid. |
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:03:00 -
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Zevina wrote:
Thats all part of the past now and one more VERY INTERESTING feature of the sandbox is gone.
Therefore I petition to bring back unscannable ships in the way it was before Incarna.
Whos with me?
I'm with you!
Bring back infinite tracking in wormholes with tracking disrutors too!
And bring back the ludicrous speed of pre-nanonerf days!
Ah hell, let's just reverse all the balancing changes and bug fixes that have ever been done. The game was moar funner when it was brokened!
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:05:00 -
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Didn't this inadvertantly kill true snipers and their ability to persist on grid doing damage?
Don't just say good riddance to this, this actually removed snipers from the battlefield all together and people are for it? Why don't those people go play WoW if they want a game that is easy. Now they whined and killed snipers, Caldari's other ability. This is forcing people to run and gun or train for Winmatar.
Maybe not all ships should get that ability but the snipers should at least have something. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2276
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:05:00 -
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No, it wasn't a mistake.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
86
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:21:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Othran wrote:Frankly they ought to remove command bonuses from T3 ships altogether.
End of argument then.
Edited to make it clearer.... Or just limit boosting to the local grid.
Yes that would be the ideal. I'm not convinced it would work now though. |
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
14
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:38:00 -
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Unscannable ships were due to a bug in the first place that prevented more than 4 probes from counting towards scan results. This same bug also was a persistent thorn in the side of WH dwellers in that extra probes in their formations wouldn't help them near as much as it should have.
To the OP: Try scanning down a W-space Mag or Radar site (or better yet, some C6 WH) with only 4 probes if you want to find out why returning to the old status quo would be a BAD IDEA. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
400
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:53:00 -
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+1
Bring unscannable back. It brings rage to scanners. Covops do not. |
Bibosikus
Elite United Hard Moose
Moose Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:59:00 -
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Unless there's a rigged & faction modded cov-ops in your system, piloted by a highly skilled and Virtue-implanted player, your old unscannable fit is still bloody impossible to nail down.
The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Maggeridon Thoraz
Selectus Pravus Lupus
Transmission Lost
8
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:48:00 -
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Bob Random wrote:Nobody.
Fit a cloak.
if he does, you complain about afk cloakies |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
20
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:03:00 -
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What was once unscannable is now NEARLY unscannable. You need to have perfect skills, a bonused ship, and expensive implants.
It's not like any tom, ****, or goonie can scan you down in a T1 frigate with 'get me the **** out this wormhole' skills and a blank clone. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
49
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:08:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:What was once unscannable is now NEARLY unscannable. You need to have perfect skills, a bonused ship, and expensive implants.
It's not like any tom, ****, or goonie can scan you down in a T1 frigate with 'get me the **** out this wormhole' skills and a blank clone.
This.
It still seems for all intents to be basically unscannable. And even if that perfect scanner in a bonused ship does come along, they still probably can't get a perfect hit on one try, so proper use of dscan should warn you in time.
Seems fair. |
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Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:38:00 -
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Othran wrote:Frankly they ought to remove command bonuses from T3 ships altogether.
End of argument then.
Edited to make it clearer....
I'm with you at 100%.
I see 1 Loki booster every 2 ship in local these days |
Trinkets friend
Obstergo
NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2011.12.29 23:19:00 -
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LOL @ OP
Learn to lowsec/nullsec.
These days, as already mentioned, these T3 boosting alts are all basically impossible to scan down in real-world situations. If you are being scanned down in one it is because you are either sitting on a celestial, or a mag/radar/ladar site which they get the lock on before they get you.
I'm with the people who want T3 boosting nerfed. 3% and 5% for command ships. On-grid boosting would be fine because you'd need to drop probes with a 150M ship with a 2 billion clone to catch your T3 booster ship. Seems more than fair to me.
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
6
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Posted - 2011.12.30 00:10:00 -
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Can someone explain to me the "thrill" of being impossible to find, from either side of the fence? |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.12.30 00:45:00 -
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Bottom line is that what was unprobable back then is in all meaningful ways still unprobable now.
If you eccm fit a t3, the only thing that will be able to probe you out is a maxed skilled prober with full virtue set and they are very rare.
I've lived in WHs for 2 years and even there, the number of people I know of that have a virtue set is less than 5 (and that's including my prober).
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Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
60
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:53:00 -
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Zevina wrote:WAAAAAAHHHHHH I WANT TO BE INVINCIBLE AGAIN CCP PLEASE CHANGE THIS OR I'LL CRY EVEN HARDER
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Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.30 03:33:00 -
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still run your unprobable setup....hard as hell to find. You cut out the majority of probers out there. That remiaining minority still has to work for it. I used to run for SOE....virtues don't sell like hotcakes lol. As mentioned, full virtue max prober not common.
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Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
16
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Posted - 2011.12.30 06:50:00 -
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yep not many people will virtued max prober. Still, I don't know why they nerf it so some active players can't do some missions undisturbed while even more people macro ratting 23/7 while being just as difficult to catch and kill. |
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
14
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Posted - 2011.12.30 07:21:00 -
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Tetragammatron Prime wrote:yep not many people will virtued max prober. Still, I don't know why they nerf it so some active players can't do some missions undisturbed while even more people macro ratting 23/7 while being just as difficult to catch and kill.
Because it wasn't a nerf at all. Unscannability depended on a BUG in scanning mechanics in the first place. |
Scarlet Latch Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Group
0
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Posted - 2011.12.30 10:05:00 -
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What you can't buff your aline time and drop book marks wile warping between safe spots any more?
What you can put cloaks on non-T2 ships to hide with any more?
Oh you can't exploit a unintended loop hole cause buy an out dated module that has only recently been changed from the beta...... |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
30
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:37:00 -
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I left my gang link tengu afk in m-o for 3 hours and came back to it alive and well, not a lot of people have retardedly expensive scanning implants and RSS probes
Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
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