it's called a covops/recon/T3. When properly fitted, totally unscannable, I swear!

Whos with me?

Frankly they ought to remove command bonuses from T3 ships altogether.

End of argument then.

Edited to make it clearer....

Thats all part of the past now and one more VERY INTERESTING feature of the sandbox is gone.

Therefore I petition to bring back unscannable ships in the way it was before Incarna.

Whos with me?

Or just limit boosting to the local grid.

Nobody.

Fit a cloak.

What was once unscannable is now NEARLY unscannable. You need to have perfect skills, a bonused ship, and expensive implants.
It's not like any tom, ****, or goonie can scan you down in a T1 frigate with 'get me the **** out this wormhole' skills and a blank clone.

Frankly they ought to remove command bonuses from T3 ships altogether.

End of argument then.

Edited to make it clearer....

WAAAAAAHHHHHH I WANT TO BE INVINCIBLE AGAIN CCP PLEASE CHANGE THIS OR I'LL CRY EVEN HARDER

yep not many people will virtued max prober. Still, I don't know why they nerf it so some active players can't do some missions undisturbed while even more people macro ratting 23/7 while being just as difficult to catch and kill.

I left my gang link tengu afk in m-o for 3 hours and came back to it alive and well, not a lot of people have retardedly expensive scanning implants and RSS probes

Before Incarna as a casual solo player

Didn't this inadvertantly kill true snipers and their ability to persist on grid doing damage?

Didn't this inadvertantly kill true snipers and their ability to persist on grid doing damage?

Don't just say good riddance to this, this actually removed snipers from the battlefield all together and people are for it? Why don't those people go play WoW if they want a game that is easy. Now they whined and killed snipers, Caldari's other ability. This is forcing people to run and gun or train for Winmatar.

Maybe not all ships should get that ability but the snipers should at least have something.

if he does, you complain about afk cloakies

I have a counterproposal:

Let's create a sticky thread in which the OP maintains a list of bad ideas. Along with that thread, a new forum rule is added: Before making suggestions on changes to Eve, one must consult that list and see if their idea is already on it. If they post the idea anyway, they get a one-week gag on the forums so that their thread can die in peace.

Or just limit boosting to the local grid.

The Incarna patch felt like a disaster for lots of reasons, but in the wake of WiS, NeX store and the fearless memo one thing went by almost unnoticed:

The removal of unscannable ships

Before Incarna as a casual solo player you had a chance to travel to low/null sec and do stuff there with a certain chance not to get blown up by the next best roaming gang and PvP fitted ship. You had to make your ship unscannable.

Making your ship unscannable was hard. You had so sacrifice A LOT of tank or damage and therefore flying an unscannable ship was harder than say a normal ratting or mission ship. But as a good pilot with expansive equipment you could manage.

It was also thrilling for people living in low/null sec looking out for an expansive killmail every now and then. Unscannable ships werent immortal, just a little harder to get. You needed to be smart. Scan people out with directional scans, set traps at gates or stations or wait for them in a certain belt.
And you needed to maximize the scanning ability of your character and ship to absolute perfection for an occasional very rewarding kill.

Thats all part of the past now and one more VERY INTERESTING feature of the sandbox is gone.

Therefore I petition to bring back unscannable ships in the way it was before Incarna.

Whos with me?

This.

It still seems for all intents to be basically unscannable. And even if that perfect scanner in a bonused ship does come along, they still probably can't get a perfect hit on one try, so proper use of dscan should warn you in time.

Seems fair.

.. Unscannable ships were more or less fair because of the sacrifice needed to achieve it...

...unscannable ships...

...as a good pilot with expansive equipment you could manage.

D-scan can't tell you if they're some scrub who wont give up or if they have all the perquisites to scan you down. And the only way of finding out is staying on that grid. So no, it ain't fair. Unscannable ships were more or less fair because of the sacrifice needed to achieve it. Nevermind the fact that only a few select ships were capable of doing it. If people wanna talk about fair how about making it possible to enter different systems without being forced to, for a lack of better words, use a load screen choke point with no way of telling what's on the other side. Nevermind that fact map statistics are unreliable at best to predict what's on the other side of that instance.

...expansive...

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Thats all part of the past now and one more VERY INTERESTING feature of the sandbox is gone.

For me that makes the game more interesting, to have something to think about and work for. And its a sad thing that so many people out there cant accept a challenge and rather hide in their average dull blobs.

Right now if you are using a hard to scan ship you are virtually uncatchable unless:

1) You are facing a very very skilled scanner (both in terms of in game skills, implants and actual scanning ability) AND
2) You are careless

That's it, nothing lost, a lot gained. Lowsec and null are not supposed to be safe. Ever. (well neither is highsec, but in different ways)

if he does, you complain about afk cloakies

Or just limit boosting to the local grid.

I'll ask again. Is there ANYONE here who flies a previously unscannable ship that has actuall gotten scanned down? Is there anyone who has tested this with an unscannable fit and a highly trained scan alt?

It seems to me lots of bitching about the "potential" of now getting scanned down. But I have yet to hear anyone actually getting caught as a result.

Sister core probe launcher and expanded probe launcher boost to scan probe strength has been increased from 5 to 10%.