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2sTePz	Posted - 2007.05.09 01:55:00 - [91] Edited by: 2sTePz on 09/05/2007 01:53:48 Edited by: 2sTePz on 09/05/2007 01:51:46 I AM A NEW PLAYER TO EVE AND I HAVE READ MOST OF THE POST IN THIS THREAD . I Started eve 8 months ago , but out of them 8 months i have only played 2 months worth. i quit palying becouse it was too hard to build up . i have come back to eve again becouse this is a great game you can go so far and do so many things with so many people. so i am hoping to find what you all have befor my time runs out. my ponit is as a new player to eve i have found it very hard to build up ISK , the agents dont pay that well and the ones that do try to get me killed becouse i have not the money or the right ship to do it. i am dumb and i have read all the forums trying to find a way i can build up to get the right stuff to do great things. i dont like mining it is too long i want war and tactics and teamwork to complete your goals i am doing things the wrong way i think and finding it realy hard. out of the 2 months i have played i have built up 16m ISK and a Crusier worth 4m . not lot for the amount of work i have done . it is going to take me along time to get the money for a Drake + insurance i think that the whole fun of a game like this is to build up and become the best you can in what you do. some easyer then others. and someone that has been here loger then me should have alot more then me becouse they have built it up. now my mum always told me not to put all your eggs in 1 basket . reason why people lose everythink it is the rick you take when you do things like that i do wish it was alittle bit more easyer the build up the ISK . or have a sub game like ISK POKER or somthink so i have a chance to double my ISK qiucker lol like i said i am probley doing things the wrong way in eve that is why it is hard. any idear would be nice
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.09 02:05:00 - [92] Originally by: Le Skunk The bigger alliances all claim space and hog the resources and stop people entering their space and try to force their will on others through many means. BS You did not want anything with regards to the alliances other than the juicy targets they could potentially provide in high-sec. You were pirates. If what you were doing was really waging a guerilla war in empire against the big 0.0 alliances, I would have no problem with it. Quote: The smaller corps we deced - were all because they had thiefed loot - smack talked in local - or a little man had paid us beacuse THEY were smack talked/ore thiefed/bullied.Eve Uni were put off target for a dec. You have asked for their to be some reasons for our war decs - and every dec had a justifiable reason that ticks your box. Just because we didnt deal with our grudges/oppressors one by one - like people traditionaly did - But instead took them all on. This does not mean it was a 'wrong' thing to do. SKUNK No, but you are lying through your teeth, and its actually quite amusing. Everyone knows what you were doing and why, and many privateers and former privateers say it openly. It was about wanting targets in high-sec, plain and simple. You had corps continously joining you to be in on the party for a while and then leaving. They wanted to log on whenever and just have a bunch of legal targets and not lose sec status. Well, that's great, but that's what 0.0 is supposed to be, not high-sec. Move to the Syndicate. ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.09 02:07:00 - [93] 8 months isnt a new player ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.09 02:12:00 - [94] Originally by: 2sTePz like i said i am probley doing things the wrong way in eve that is why it is hard. Join a corporation. Of course it's difficult and boring if you're completely on your own. ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Miz Cenuij OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.05.09 02:12:00 - [95] Stinking empire filth. Stop by where October Snow live and ill give you a 1 shot death you wont forget ina hurry. Carebear scum like you make me wtf rage. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Rekindle	Posted - 2007.05.09 02:19:00 - [96] Originally by: Miz Cenuij Stinking empire filth. Stop by where October Snow live and ill give you a 1 shot death you wont forget ina hurry. Carebear scum like you make me wtf rage. he helps pay the RamSan bills too ! -------------------------------------------
Strill	Posted - 2007.05.09 02:24:00 - [97] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 08/05/2007 19:52:05 Sad but the OP has good and solid points. I wish CCP would give us a starter or novice region. A region that we could mine, run missions and do our stuffs without getting ganked or griefed. Items can't be lost in the region because a player killer kills a player. Items can't be moved in or out of this region from other regions in eVe. He said he's been playing for two years. That hardly qualifies as a "starter". On top of that, Concord protects noobs anyway. No one who wants to not waste their isk is going to go around ganking random noobs in empire for no reward.
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.05.09 03:05:00 - [98] average joe can become elite. you have a crap argument.
T'Laar Bok m3 Corp	Posted - 2007.05.09 05:21:00 - [99] Originally by: Rekindle [...] lost 2 years of my game life about 4 months ago so someone else could make use of a crappy game feature and get 15 minutes of fun. Yeah, it sucks poo. There is an ever increasing player population that destroys other peoples game time and RL $$$ seemingly for no other reason than that they can. I see a lot of people leaving because of it. It will be the eventual death of Eve.
Thesas Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.05.09 05:22:00 - [100] Originally by: Firane Having a dev, Wrangler in this case finally answer to this repeatative whine on the forums puts my mind at ease. For a while I've thought some of these whines might actually be having an effect. It is having an effect. Whether game developers are listening or not is irrelevant at the end of the day when paying customers are thinking over what has been said here.

SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.09 06:01:00 - [101] Originally by: Thesas Originally by: Firane Having a dev, Wrangler in this case finally answer to this repeatative whine on the forums puts my mind at ease. For a while I've thought some of these whines might actually be having an effect. It is having an effect. Whether game developers are listening or not is irrelevant at the end of the day when paying customers are thinking over what has been said here. you mean the 2% of eve that reads the forums ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Zilkin Amarr adeptus gattacus Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.05.09 06:04:00 - [102] The old saying "dont fly what you can¦t afford to lose" includes the stuff in your cargohold.
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.09 06:09:00 - [103] I am glad I am one of the few.
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.09 06:46:00 - [104] /duel -------------
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.09 07:04:00 - [105] Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world. High sec is relatively safe but you can still be killed there. The person attacking you will get his ship blown up and his security rating lowered, so he will still pay. Maybe the game mechanics isn't what you'd like to see, but it's certainly not broken. I need to save this somewhere...for future reference. Thank you Wrangler. 3>
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.05.09 07:09:00 - [106] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/05/2007 07:05:36 Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world. High sec is relatively safe but you can still be killed there. The person attacking you will get his ship blown up and his security rating lowered, so he will still pay. Maybe the game mechanics isn't what you'd like to see, but it's certainly not broken. People use alts to avoid the sec hits, so thats a moot point really. And insurance covers the cost of the ships used to kill somebody, so thats another moot point. We can all agree on that I think. But I still dont see anything wrong with it. There are some players who want 0.5 to 1.0 to be a large beginner zone, completely safe, and still have the options for the player to make enormous amounts of money with no risk at all (running level 4 missions). The thing is, if ccp allows that to happen, there will be nothing special about Eve anymore. It will be just another grinding game like everything else out there, if you choose to play it that way. Then of course it have unlimited possibilities to put your mark on the universe as well, but does that matter when most players wont even try - they have all they need in empire and dont need other players to accomplish their goals. On a completely unrelated subject, ive just started listening to Gary Moore (Blues). I think im addicted to blues now. Amazing music, specially "The Thrill is Gone". :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.09 07:13:00 - [107] Quote: If a week or twos war dec from a mish mash of noobs/pirates/mercs/disillusioned vets is enough to destroy your corp - then you should go back to knitting. KEW EFF TEE. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Heritor Caldari The Wailing Doom	Posted - 2007.05.09 07:14:00 - [108] If somebody commits an illegal act in empire, then why can we not void there insurance payout. This will not stop ganking but it makes the reward less rewarding and slightly more costly. Always where your seatbelt, its far harder for the aliens to abduct you!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.05.09 07:16:00 - [109] Originally by: Heritor If somebody commits an illegal act in empire, then why can we not void there insurance payout. This will not stop ganking but it makes the reward less rewarding and slightly more costly. And thats why its not a good idea. Profit is why its being done. And we need it in the game. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.09 07:22:00 - [110] u werent using a t2 hauler ie transport ship to ship thro high sec i mean this has been mentioned numerous times or lots of hauls ( ie go afk high sec haul but do smaller value hauls) well sorry bout youre loss but what the devs said meant to be a big bad game

Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.09 07:24:00 - [111] the key to success in this game and the fact it is very grinding intensive to get stuff is to network with others those that make use of connections will make ISK quickly
Cipher7 Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.09 07:38:00 - [112] Originally by: Rekindle How does it help immersion and RP and all that to sit at a gate and 1 shot defenseless ships? I hear this question alot. When the bombers are circling Iraq and picking out defenseless people on the ground who have no way to shoot back, do they cancel the mission? The difference between fair fights and unfair fights is the difference between duelling and war. In Eve its war. If you can kill someone with absolutely no risk to yourself, you do it, because that's what war is about. You're not looking to draw pistols at 50 paces, turn and shoot, you're looking to pop someone before he even knows he's about to die. With alot of the recent changes, that is now almost impossible. Bad news for me, good news for you, ccp has been watering Eve down for the year and a half I've been here, its been one change after another nerfing pvp. Eventually we'll have no non-consentual pvp at all, and it'll be WoW in space. Give it about 2 years, you'll be playing Trammel.
Tranka Verrane	Posted - 2007.05.09 07:41:00 - [113] If you want to make ISK in eve the simple fact is that until you have a large amount of isk as an initial stake and you want to make money in empire you have to earn your money in combat. It is perfectly possible for a group of relaitive newcomers to the game to make 200m+ in a day if it is done seriously. My major gripe is that there is no corporation getting their finger out to do so: like the game mechanics everything is geared towards the pvpers. All corps seem to have an urge to strike into 0.0 or sit in empire war deccing and no-one seems to be making a decent effort to run a good pve focussed corp. You only need to flip through the recruitment forum or sit in that channel to see how rare any non-pvp interest is. This isn't entirely the fault of other players though. The non-pvpers in my experience seem to be reluctant to talk to anyone and get any kind of co-operation going, and the pvpers are taking advantage of that, which is fair enough. I know I am not alone in being pvp uninterested yet finding a decent pve corp, or enough good players to start one, is proving desperately painful. PVE players stop moaning about it and co-operate, or you might as well log off the internet altogether.
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.09 07:45:00 - [114] WOW A 4 page discussion with very little flaming and smack and many well formulated arguments. Am I really on Eve-o forums But seriously Eve is dark and dangerous that is its apeal, it doesn't hold your hand and if you make it, it's only due to your hard work and persaverance. Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.09 07:55:00 - [115] PVP is being watered down but other additions being made
Cipher7 Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.09 08:08:00 - [116] Originally by: Chia Mulholland I agree with you. When you sign up for an MMO you expect that there is a safe area where you can putter around and get to know the game. You can then venture into more dangerous areas as you get better. This assumption is correct. The issue is that 2 year old players flying 2 billion isk ships with 6 billion isk worth of stuff in them are getting ganked. If you have enough assets to actually be under threat from gankers, you're not "puttering around" anymore, you actually have enough capital to influence regional markets. Highsec was created as a place for NEW PLAYERS to putter around, not for 3 year old carebears to sit there forever making billions with no risk. Bottom line in Eve you do not have to PVP, but you WILL lose a percentage of your profits in hostilities. Think of it like income tax. Everybody loses a percentage of their profits, including pirates, including BoB, including everybody, everybody suffers a certain amount of loss. This game runs on loss, loss is what drives manufacturing. If nobody gets popped, nobody loses ships, nobody needs to build them, nobody needs to mine. With warp to zero, wardec nerf, and so forth, fewer people are losing ships, so manufacturers have smaller margins, so demand for most minerals is down, so miners are making less. Now you are asking to again nerf pvp, have less loss, etc, which will result in manufacturers again taking a hit, and miners making even less. It's a downward spiral to dead economy where nothing is lost and nothing needs replaced.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.09 08:10:00 - [117] Eve is a pretty harsh game. It reward's the quick and the smart and punish's the dumb and the lazy. Some folk's come from other game's and want this game to adopt bear zone's ( no pvp area's ) and the like. How about instead of that they actually play the game and learn from mistake's and try and get ahead instead of just complaing ( see the other 100 whine thread's about ganking etc ) BoB vs the coalition of family value's
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.05.09 08:16:00 - [118] Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 09/05/2007 08:16:21 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Anferney Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sad but the OP has good and solid points. I wish CCP would give us a starter or novice region. A region that we could mine, run missions and do our stuffs without getting ganked or griefed. Items can't be lost in the region because a player killer kills a player. Items can't be moved in or out of this region from other regions in eVe. So, th epoint is to create an area where you can't really do anything useful except earn money? This seems rather bizzare since it will not fix the hauler ganking 'problem' and will just create a safe place for people to mass fortunes with no risk. That is counter to the foundation of Eve: risk for payoff. The starter area is not for fixing hauler ganks but for new and casual players to enjoy the game. We can still trade, mine, run missions and do stuffs. We can still fight each other if we want to like in a duel system or mutual war decs. First of all you are not the original Jenny that much is true. Your words provide enough evidence to show that you are someone completely different. Another fact is that you obviously new to the game and have no clue about Singularity (the test server to help you out). There is your solution Singularity, go there do whatever you want to do and hey there is no non consensual pvp there. Are you happy? One minor drawback though, you can't bring your fortune there in TQ. There you have it also risk vs reward. All fixed and happy. That said I would like to say that EVE is indeed an unforgiving game. And by unforgiving i mean of your own mistakes. You go afk while having a hauler with a some or very valuable cargo? You were asking for it. You go to hunt rats in a belt at low sec and don't have an eye at local to see who is there who got in or out? Don't blame the hunter for your lack of alertness. I am against the use of alts so i can't comment for the use of scouts to avoid gatecamps or bubbles, but i can say that one should be prepared for something like that and even in high sec if you pay some attention to local usually you can get a warning of a camp, something a lot harder to happen in low sec (0.0 is out of the equation since the alliances have made their territory safer than Empire for their members). as a new guy in this game (under a year in here) i can say that my losses where by a big factor happened because of my mistakes and lack of alertness. Every one was and will be a lesson that i keep in mind not to do next time. And as far as the money issue is concerned, i can safely say that if you keep spending ISK mindlessly to either new toys (which either prove not so shiny and abandon them, or you keep losing) no matter if you are a young or an old player, you are going to be poor for ever. The key is to plan, plan for your advancement, plan for your purchases plan for your investments your ways to make ISK. Losses can't be planed, but then again there one can enter (PvP that is at least) with the mentality of a poker player (or any gambling game player), whatever i put in there is considered already lost. There is no i can't, there is only i don't want to. To blame others is not solving any of your problems and frankly it's only misplacement of the guilt. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Whineroy	Posted - 2007.05.09 08:17:00 - [119] Originally by: Miz Cenuij Stinking empire filth. Stop by where October Snow live and ill give you a 1 shot death you wont forget ina hurry. Carebear scum like you make me wtf rage. Lol, the f*ing nerdy loser who gatecamps in a Mothership still whining about "carebears"... Looks like you haven't managed to gank enough newbies lately, or are you simply going for the Hypocrite of the Year award, nerd ? Losers like you are the worst carebears in this whole game.
Cipher7 Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.09 08:24:00 - [120] Originally by: Callthetruth PVP is being watered down but other additions being made I see nothing positive in the future. I myself am prolly gonna have to take off soon, because there's just no pvp going on. Lowsec is like highsec now and 0.0 is like lowsec. The choices right now in pvp 1) 0.0 POS warfare which is probably more boring than mining 2) 0.0 logoff/dock/cloak warfare 2) lowsec belt piracy (zzzzzzz nobody goes to belts) 3) highsec carebear ganking Apparently pirates are all in highsec right now because it's the only place left where you can find somebody to kill in under 4 hours. I've been playing for a year and a half, I've lived in 0.0 since almost my second week, I haven't had a good fight in 3 months. This is bullschit. When I was a 2 week old noob I used to be able to get a fight within 15 minutes of logging in. Now if I want a fight I have to ctrl-q and run Battlefield 2. The way I see it right now, miners/industrialists are the only ones getting any kind of fun out of Eve. The roids don't logoff when your barge gets in scanner range. I really hope CCP has a plan.



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