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Jack Cannon
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:03:00 -
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Is this thread a joke? 
I sure hope so...
Huggins/rapiers are only good solo ships vs small targets and other mimitar heavy takle ships... as they should be.
A curse will *****one six ways from sunday.
A rook will just jam it because it's mimitar.
An Arazu will just sensor damp it's range down to 1200m and sick it's drones on it so it will have to run away.
If that's an I win button I guess you must be fighting some pretty lousy setups in your overpowered huggin/rapier... because that's the only way your post makes any sense to me. 
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Father Weebles
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:15:00 -
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Arazu's won't screw up a Huginn's locking range very much for CQB. There was one that attacked me solo and I was able to keep lock at 40km.
"Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465085
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:16:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: Xelios
An attempt to justify himself
Yeah, so your first post answered my post that came afterwards ? Right.
To all the flamers : talking of Huggins, alot of people here needs hugs. Why come on forums and throw out your stress without making a point ?
All what i was saying is that i found extreme that a close range module can be used up to like 50km in the right hands with this ship. But well, if you don't agree you can just simply say so without flaming folks into last century.
I agree that compared to the power of an Arazu you that dampens you like theres no tomorrow it's nothing, but where did you seem Arazu or w-e else recons in the name of this thread ?
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:23:00 -
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With elcoco I have gallente/minmatar/caldari cruiser 5 and recons 5.
With my alt I got ammar cruiser 5 and recons 4.
Trust me, the huginn/rapier is in no way overpowered. It has it's cons and pros.
Honestly, it's not that good. It's immensely fun though so that gets it to you 
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:06:00 -
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True ElCoco. It aint all that overpowered.
I just find its the only recon giving troubles if you don't want to fight. If you got a fast ship, you can run away from other recons no problems. The amarr one might nos your frig dry in 1 cycle, but 1 cycle of your mwd is likely to get you out of scrambler range and well out of web range, allowing the escape if you are alert.
But those webbing recons double webs me and make me align like a freighter, often allowing them to close the gap and turn on their > 20 km scrambler. Basically, especially when solo, if a frig is withing 25km of that class of recon and does not warp out before it gets locked, its toasted.
But i guess thats the whole point of the ship, so it works properly, hehe
But correct me if i am wrong, i see no other recon get a 60% bonus / level to anything. That's the only thing bugging me. It warps in and can cover the battlefield of most small gang warfare battles. So can an Arazu you will tell me ? Yes. But so can a celestis, or a maulus, or a blackbird. Web is a close range module. And i am not even talking of faction webs.
But yeah i don't mind to adapt. I'll replace my frigs more often and fit them cheaper. |
Khajit Smitty
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
Frontline.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:12:00 -
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Yay "I-Win" coz i fly a rapier......
Ion Bartzabel you sir can collect this months "Get-a-Clue" award.
I'm sorry but honestly, my rapier only does 2900m/s, it cannot tank and its very restricted in what it can take on, solo ofcourse
If its going 6000m/s then the pilot has spent 1.5b on Snakes and to be honest he deserves to be able to achieve those speeds.
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MotoTsume
Gallente
Clan Black Scorpion
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:37:00 -
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It's all to powerfull - so we need to have everything nerfed including pods - yes even pods - to small - to fast and have way to much cargo space, I mean really - able to carry one pilot - way to much space onboard it would seem - NERF it all!!! 
It's just a game........Or is it?????
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Pete Stalker
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:53:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Ryysa
Newsflash: don't use quickfit for damage calculations.
Shush! Dont you tell them! 
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.05.10 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor Warps
Originally by: Xelios
An attempt to justify himself
An attempt to keep some sort of spite going after realizing his first post was totally ridiculous.
Actually yes, my first post answered your first post. You claimed minmatar recons were too good at neutralizing interceptors, I pointed out that's their sole purpose. You're the only one trying to incite a flame war here, even after an apology you just keep poking.
A Falcon can jam out to 220km optimal with very high strength. An Arazu can scramble out to 50km and dampen like nothing else. A Pilgrim can solo better than any recon and neutralize cap more efficiently than any ship in the game. All the recons are exceptionally good at what they do and they all do different things.
And yes, when asking for a nerf it's a good idea to compare the ship to its counterparts, even if they weren't mentioned in the OP.
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.05.10 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: LUH 3471 on 10/05/2007 18:02:47
wow and i thought this thread was created by tista 
tista where are u ?
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.10 18:44:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Father Weebles
Arazu's won't screw up a Huginn's locking range very much for CQB. There was one that attacked me solo and I was able to keep lock at 40km.
He must have had either extremely bad skills and t1 equipment or used only one damp on you. An arazu/lach with lvl 4 in the spec and 3 muon/t2 damps will bring a huggin with a SB2 to less than 20k range.
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2007.05.10 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
Good point
Ok my turn to apology, i thought you where sarcastic just to kill my point.
Ok, recons are meant to be good, i'm wrong. I don't feel i was being ridiculous to give my opinion tho.
But they still pwn my frigs ;) |
Sebastien LeReparteur
Minmatar
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.10 19:23:00 -
[73]
Dampener and ECM voids the Minma reckon bonuses...
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2007.05.10 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Trevor Warps on 10/05/2007 19:33:35
Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur
Dampener and ECM voids the Minma reckon bonuses...
In theory, in a 1 recon vs 1 recon fight, yes. But how often is that. In regular fights it's still not that often that you find recons on both sides. Even then, they have to target the minma recon to void it and let the dps boats shred their buddies.
But those can be fitted on non recon boats too hmm ... Thinking about it, ECM and dampeners voids Megathrons damage, this needs serious nerfing ;)
Edit : correct typos before hit post ftw |
gu o
Amarr
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2007.05.10 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ion Bartzabel
Why?
They are the new "I win ships" because:
you can fit mwd and have a decent speed at 1500-6000ms.
can shield extender tank and have 9000 shield, pending fitting.
it's not possible to hurt them with missiles, therefore caldari ships are useless against them.
it's not possible to track them because of their speed.
Possible solutions;
limit the ship the ships ability to not use more than one webber.
remove the ability to fit microwarpdrive.
stack nerf nano/overdrives/intertias even more.
I'm sure CCP does not agree that this ship is meant to be like the way the ship works today.
Heck, i'll start training for them myself, there's so much benefits flying the ships, it's crazy :)
Discuss.
OK dude your raven or whatever missile spamming piece of crap isn't the end all of everything get over it. If you want the game to be I win go play wow. You caldari mission runners get killed once and all hell brakes loose "wsc nerf, speed nerf, laser nerfs" get over it dude. adapt to the game it is now HARD to make a matar hac do over 5k/s. Maybe we should make it so every ship stops moving whenever a raven enters the system. Ontop of that maybe even ake their sig radius go up by a factor of 5; you know so your rage torps his crusiers for full damage. This is why eve is becoming more and more **** all the time people complain about a good valid tactic and it get nerfed. Keep it up and soon everyone will use the damn raven for everything. 
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DiuxDium
Free Mercenaries Union
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: DiuxDium on 10/05/2007 21:46:00
Originally by: Trevor Warps
Originally by: Xelios
Good point
But they still pwn my frigs ;)
Lots of things pwn frigs dude..
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.05.10 21:56:00 -
[77]
Edited by: madaluap on 10/05/2007 21:54:06
Originally by: Khadur
Ever heard of arazu?? lol that's overpowered... ******* idiot
Arazu is overpowered in no way at all. Its cap dies everytime you try to run your med+high, or you need to sacrifice your mwd (a big no,no in 0.0) + your tank (fit caprelays).
I kinda agree with the op though, not completely. But webbing is very strong. Get hit by a ECM, it can fail. Get hit by a damp, move closer. Get hit by a nos, keep injecting, run passive tank, move out of range. Webbing = instagib omg you are stuck there.
That said, dont nerf em. Join them. Arazu + huggin make sweet love. 
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Father Weebles
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:07:00 -
[78]
Originally by: madaluap
Arazu + huggin make sweet love.
Best combo out there tbh.
"Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465085
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JaxxFunk
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:15:00 -
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This thread should be locked.
I fear Huggins and Rapiers with a passion when I'm in my vaga, or anything that relies on speed for that matter, but i'm not screaming for them to be nerfed.
You'll be asking for Pilgrims/Curses to have the ability to fit only 1 Nos each next.
Just because you got wtfbbqomgpwned by a minny recon don't come whining in here.
I thank you.
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Sionide
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.05.11 05:00:00 -
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Nerf that target painter bonus it's just too uber.
Pls, this thread is a joke. Compare any other race's recon ships with matar and theirs are far more powerful. The huggin/rapier has a specific role and it fills that role well and that's all.
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Conwen
Nefantar Tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.11 08:07:00 -
[81]
I can't believe this thread is this long.
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Nixeh
Gallente
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2007.05.11 09:02:00 -
[82]
Curse
nuff said.
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MassonA
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.11 09:28:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Aggressive Salesman
Wow, the IQ of this forum reaches a new low 
What's next, nerf the Muninn? Or perhaps the Nidhoggur?
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ChimeraRouge
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.12.03 23:41:00 -
[84]
this thread has legitimate nano concerns.
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.12.03 23:57:00 -
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Caldari forum whiners should be tossed out of the nearest airlock FFS.
Minmatar recons(like 99% of the ships in the game) are balanced just fine; you are whining because you never even learned to play the game.
Stop posting and go learn.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.04 00:03:00 -
[86]
why necro a 6-month thread?
oh and stop whining.
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Ione Hunt
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.12.04 00:31:00 -
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.04 01:09:00 -
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really one of the only ships in the game to have a proper counter to all the nanoed crap out there
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Satura
Mucho Dolor
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Posted - 2007.12.04 01:18:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Xelios
Edited by: Xelios on 09/05/2007 16:11:27
Quote:
limit the ship the ships ability to not use more than one webber.
In that case limit the Gallente recons to 1 scrambler and 1 dampener, the Amarr recons to 1 NOS and the Caldari recons to 1 jammer because they all do their roles better than other ships.
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Victor Ivanov
Minmatar
The Fated
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.04 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: ChimeraRouge
this thread has legitimate nano concerns.
Second Chimera Rouge nano whine I've seen now. Both of them equally ludicrous. Seriously, people that consistently read this forum know that there is nothing that infuriates me more than senseless "Nerf Nano" ship threads.
Oh and you are a horrid representation of the normally highly respected Eve Uni.
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