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DeadDuck Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.14 08:13:00 - [571] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Etho Dermezel Bob: 2175 members Fix: 1028 members Xelas: about 771 members MC: about 430 members Aftermath Alliance: 379 members Axe: 345 members You What: 706 members MWA: 47 members RISE:713 members Red Moon Federation: 345 members SERA: 21 members CoW: 434 members Southern Connection: 65 members LV: 160 members Gods of Night and Day: 261 members Gunboat Diplomacy: 136 members Storm Armada: 147 members Riot: 483 members Total: 8646 members As I am sure I am forgeting some so lets round to 10000 ;) A disadvantage of 2:1, considering that the guys above have much more sp, ISK and better industrial structure, is not very impressive. Especially considering the alliance is mostly defending its territory, where they ahve every advantage, with the exception of the recent northern incursion. ... The north have been NAP'd for a long time maybe a year, what did they do with that time? If I remember the battle of F-T saw the Alliance outnumbered in capitals by around fifty so it's not acap ship advantage and we were told those losses would be replaced in a few days. Well my friend you havent been up the north during the entire last year... what have we done during that year ??? If I remember correctly in the very begining of last year none of the alliances were there. We and our friends conquered the North, then we fought in Cloud Ring to help our "dear friends" YW then we had to fight back to reconquer part of Tribute from TCF... We had 4 months of peace ...maybe a bit to much for a game like EVE... thats what we did during THAT time... Regarding the CAP advantage in F-T ... well bull**** !!! The system was caped remember ??? Big majority of the Capitals didnt manage to jump or load. Yes we had the numbers but a GM remembered that they could cap the system. You were in total advantage in there not because of your superior tactics... ONLY because of external interference. But I have to give you all the reason when you say that you have a united leadership and we dont. The lack of coordination in our forces lead to heavy losses. Regarding Etho Post you are right you are forgetting people... M Pire Corelli Syndicate Vigillance Infinitas But I might be forgeting still some
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 08:20:00 - [572] well d2 has 2 motherships and a titan, i think mc is using 2 motherships themselves, with the help of a bob titan? unfortunately tho d2 uses its titan to camp in lowsec.. its not about sp or isk or how long uve been int he game, its what you make out of it. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
DeadDuck Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.14 08:32:00 - [573] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists well d2 has 2 motherships and a titan, i think mc is using 2 motherships themselves, with the help of a bob titan? unfortunately tho d2 uses its titan to camp in lowsec.. its not about sp or isk or how long uve been int he game, its what you make out of it. MC is using 2 MS ???!!!! D2 Titan camping low sec systems ???!!! Well better check our KB !!! Your lack of information only shows how much BOB has been involved in the Northern War...
Ashen Brarn Evolution	Posted - 2007.05.14 08:39:00 - [574] Originally by: DeadDuck MC is using 2 MS ???!!!! D2 Titan camping low sec systems ???!!! Well better check our KB !!! Your lack of information only shows how much BOB has been involved in the Northern War... I can't believe you guys were taunting ASCN with "well why should we help you duh, you guys attacked EC- with BoB omg boohoo".
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 08:41:00 - [575] Edited by: fire 59 on 14/05/2007 08:44:45 Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists well d2 has 2 motherships and a titan, i think mc is using 2 motherships themselves, with the help of a bob titan? unfortunately tho d2 uses its titan to camp in lowsec.. its not about sp or isk or how long uve been int he game, its what you make out of it. MC is using 2 MS ???!!!! D2 Titan camping low sec systems ???!!! Well better check our KB !!! Your lack of information only shows how much BOB has been involved in the Northern War... In p-2 and such, mc were using 2 mom's, see the video I saw on a recent piccy that mc had 4 i think? when they were sieging a syst, forget the name though. Also, you have had supercaps pirating in low sec, wasn't that involving you guys faking a km when the carrier self destructed. You had a wyvern thre when there was fighting going on elsewhere. Also i recall you guys using the dd in lowsec because someone made a thread about you guys popping noobs to pad your numbers Edit - You guys could match the Mc led forces up there in supercaps and fleet but don't or won't. You say that you can replace losses and that in minutes but then why doesnt your capital pilots feel like fighting anymore? From an alliance perspective, we would jump on your head everytime you tried to take a pos so close to us but you guys just roll over and watch it happen. Ascn said previously that the real battle would happen in feyth while we conquered eso and paragon, you say the same about branch if i recall. Well they are on your doorstep now, will you fight or go quietly into the night? BoB vs the coalition of family value's
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 08:47:00 - [576] Your interpretation of who is fighting with us is rather odd, considering most of the people you list are simply residents who are defending themselves when you come along. Some don't even live anywhere near our space, or do anything that aids us. Theres also people I've never heard of, or seen. I don't think the Coalition wants to play the standings card, you give it to anyone that claims they hate BoB with the fire of a thousand novas and simply ends up npcing in your space. Even if you didn't want to be realistic, by the time I returned the favour and wrote up your standings, you'd be allied to half of EVE. Want me to start listing corps in the FTZ or those having northern residency? At the moment I barely recognize UNL and KOS as being part of this Coalition, and they actually send raiding gangs. Trying to be clever does not work here, when all those killboard stats listed represent only our fights. The statistics would be misrepresenting the war if and only if our allies were leading the gangs, or comprising the majority of pilots in it. Aside from the odd Doomsday Chowdown or Orange Species landed in Fade while supporting MC, I can't think of any situations where you could claim that. Quote: Nice try dear bobits, but if you want a challenge how about sending all those people away and take that 2000 against 20000 challenge for real. I would love to see how leet you are... I notice you're in CoW, and are using your own alliance to prove your point.. which is rather stupid of you. You know fully that none of CoW's kills appear anywhere in these stats, or that CoW pilots have been bolstering our fleets. You're challenging me to send you home? I really don't get it. And even if you were remotely correct, a "mere" 2:1 disadvantage with 4:1 k/d ratio is still a beatdown of cataclysmic proportions. You know, theres no sinister plot at work here. The effort with allies is joint, and the victories shared, but we're not going to post numbers we don't have anything to do with, or have access to. And judging by the north, where most of them are atm, I don't think the end result of combining everything is going to change things. It just won't, I'm really sorry Etho Demerzel. But you should be happy, since you're blue to us and therefore can claim responsibility.
Manfred Sideous 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.14 08:51:00 - [577] Rabble Rabble My contribution to this thread has been made
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 09:17:00 - [578] Edited by: Avon on 14/05/2007 09:20:54 Originally by: DeadDuck Regarding the CAP advantage in F-T ... well bull**** !!! The system was caped remember ??? Big majority of the Capitals didnt manage to jump or load. Yes we had the numbers but a GM remembered that they could cap the system. You were in total advantage in there not because of your superior tactics... ONLY because of external interference. I don't recall ever actually seeing any proof or confirmation that the system was capped, would you be so kind as to provide a link? I could understand lag getting the blame, because throughout the entire fight I probably saw 10% or less of the called targets on my overview. The system population never even approached the claimed cap. This sounds like a coalition meme. It is a frequently repeated claim, but is it fact or is it a case of say it often enough and it becomes accepted as fact? * sorry for the messy post - looked fine on my mobile. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
FireFox McProwler Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.14 09:35:00 - [579] Originally by: Manfred Sideous Rabble Rabble My contribution to this thread has been made Yar!!
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.05.14 09:39:00 - [580] Originally by: TechnoMag Originally by: Boliknar ...I chose to fight against those that would ruin the game I love by cheating is that plain enough for you? If not here... cheating hmm interesting ... i have few questions for u: who invented log on traps? who first started to use loggofsky in a bubble or after he jump in a camp? who used exploit carrier overhaul (for example to spawn pos'es just one night before that was fixed by CCP)? who discovered and used many times and still using quick log in/log out cycle to have his ship out from the point from where he logged first time? who is login right after d/t jump in a complex and remain in the last lvl cloaked and farming that complex until the next d/t? who used hoarde's of people only to crash a node and get the advantage? u want more question's like that? perhaps not... and i'll dont name the people i'm talking about, everyone know who r they! About t20 incident i wonder how many t2 bpo owners u have in your alliance and i want to know how can u be sure how they achieved? About our social life i wonder what social life can have a man who's keeping a computer running 23/7 only to farm a plex 2 times per day? this guys has his facts straight.. As ex LV and witness of these facts many time`s i can fully agree. ->My Vids<-

ChalSto The Galactic Empire Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.05.14 09:55:00 - [581] Originally by: Neutral News Where are LV, MWA and gunboat diplomacy. Oh yeah haha empire. Ask IRON....they know can tell u exactly where are the ex-LV corps are Originally by: Neutral News You said CHOW (chowdown of lv) we're stealing your targets. The pendulum war was supposed to be in the south We lied Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
FireFox McProwler Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.14 10:41:00 - [582] Originally by: Garia666 Originally by: TechnoMag Originally by: Boliknar ...I chose to fight against those that would ruin the game I love by cheating is that plain enough for you? If not here... cheating hmm interesting ... i have few questions for u: who invented log on traps? who first started to use loggofsky in a bubble or after he jump in a camp? who used exploit carrier overhaul (for example to spawn pos'es just one night before that was fixed by CCP)? who discovered and used many times and still using quick log in/log out cycle to have his ship out from the point from where he logged first time? who is login right after d/t jump in a complex and remain in the last lvl cloaked and farming that complex until the next d/t? who used hoarde's of people only to crash a node and get the advantage? u want more question's like that? perhaps not... and i'll dont name the people i'm talking about, everyone know who r they! About t20 incident i wonder how many t2 bpo owners u have in your alliance and i want to know how can u be sure how they achieved? About our social life i wonder what social life can have a man who's keeping a computer running 23/7 only to farm a plex 2 times per day? this guys has his facts straight.. As ex LV and witness of these facts many time`s i can fully agree. This game is what people make it. There is things you can do in this game that are against the rules yet people do them because they know they can do it and not get banned. Everyone knows of the tricks that people do. I think people have a hard time accepting that the holes int he game people use over and over are something that they need to accept and cope with. CCP is not going to fix the issues on the drop of a hat. As you can see in the dev blogs they are addressing some of the issues and are fixing them but its going to take time. there is things that they can not fix within the next 3-6 months because of many reasons. Im not saying TechnoMag is wrong. He did point out some of the issues but you just need to accept that what he listed is a reality and you need to adapt to it. EVE is just a game and thats how its going to be treated. People are going to push the limits and see how far they can go before getting slapped for it. If they can do it and get away with it, more power to them. If the people who are on the other side of the tricks they pull do not adapt and change to the situation then they are going to fail. If the GMs wont do anything about it then adapt to counter it. If game mechanics get in the way eather you go around or you break them. If you can get away with breaking them, pulling out of the situation with a win and not get banned... then your doing the right thing. I am not saying that breaking the rules is the right thing to do. If the reward is worth more then the risk... its your choice. We are all guilty in some form. "MMO games have made me know only one thing. Your not exploiting till the FBI charges you with wire fraud"
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.14 10:51:00 - [583] Edited by: welsh wizard on 14/05/2007 11:05:10 Seriously coalition people its easier to just be open about your dislike for BoB. Don't come up with reasonable arguments because they'll just throw them back in your face. Just be bitter instead. BoB are better than everyone else and Eve bloody well sucks as a result. The game mechanics suck, capital ships suck and pos warfare sucks. Oh they've definitely worked for it and they fully deserve it but they apparently fail to acknowledge how poor the game is as a result. They don't care if this war breaks the community though, because all that matters is winning. Why is that the only thing that matters? Because you whine like hell on here and it makes it all the better for them. Like I say just be open about your bitterness. I bloody well hate the scum (manchester united) because they won everything for years, I won't hide that scorn behind logical arguments, they're just gits of the highest order, like BoB. Most important of all though, this doesn't make them bad people, it just makes their alliance worth smashing.
Ashraaf Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.14 10:55:00 - [584] Originally by: welsh wizard .... The game mechanics suck, capital ships suck and pos warfare sucks. Oh they've definitely worked for it and they fully deserve it but they apparently fail to acknowledge how poor the game is as a result. ... so true
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.14 10:57:00 - [585] I regret posting that line in particular now because I'm sure its great fun for them. So I understand if they disagree. Thing is, losing used to be fun in Eve too.
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:21:00 - [586] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 14/05/2007 11:05:10 Seriously coalition people its easier to just be open about your dislike for BoB. Don't come up with reasonable arguments because they'll just throw them back in your face. Just be bitter instead. BoB are better than everyone else and Eve bloody well sucks as a result. The game mechanics suck, capital ships suck and pos warfare sucks. Oh they've definitely worked for it and they fully deserve it but they apparently fail to acknowledge how poor the game is as a result. They don't care if this war breaks the community though, because all that matters is winning. Why is that the only thing that matters? Because you whine like hell on here and it makes it all the better for them. Like I say just be open about your bitterness. I bloody well hate the scum (manchester united) because they won everything for years, I won't hide that scorn behind logical arguments, they're just gits of the highest order, like BoB. Most important of all though, this doesn't make them bad people, it just makes their alliance worth smashing. If by definitely worked for it, you mean "had devs give them tech II bpo's, and lead their capship fleet" then I agree with everything.
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:22:00 - [587] Originally by: Etho Dermezel @Peppy: I was ordered by my alliance to stay quiet. It is quite obvious I am ignoring it. It seeems you surely are afraid of the truth. Especially, you, Mr Pepperami. But it is ok. You will realize sooner or later that there is so little someone can do to force someone else to do as he bids in a game. I have no problem with your opinion, I just don't want you performing diplomacy in the name of cow. But since you're "leaving" your corp, post whatever drivel you want. Oh, and I remember the E02 smack you gave me when you were CA. Quite funny reading back all I was proven right on. [EVE TASK BAR?]
Etho Demerzel Gallente Mercenaries of Andosia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:24:00 - [588] Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 14/05/2007 11:22:34 Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Your interpretation of who is fighting with us is rather odd, considering most of the people you list are simply residents who are defending themselves when you come along. Some don't even live anywhere near our space, or do anything that aids us. Theres also people I've never heard of, or seen. I don't think the Coalition wants to play the standings card, you give it to anyone that claims they hate BoB with the fire of a thousand novas and simply ends up npcing in your space. Even if you didn't want to be realistic, by the time I returned the favour and wrote up your standings, you'd be allied to half of EVE. I just did the same you do about coallition. Sorry pal, but by any criteria the conflict you are playing is much nearer my numebrs than yours. Actually mine are a little biased to your side if you consider every part involved as you suggested. Quote: Want me to start listing corps in the FTZ or those having northern residency? At the moment I barely recognize UNL and KOS as being part of this Coalition, and they actually send raiding gangs. Trying to be clever does not work here, when all those killboard stats listed represent only our fights. The statistics would be misrepresenting the war if and only if our allies were leading the gangs, or comprising the majority of pilots in it. Aside from the odd Doomsday Chowdown or Orange Species landed in Fade while supporting MC, I can't think of any situations where you could claim that. Please do list this corps. We may be able to do an accurate measure this way. I guarantee you will be even less impressively outmatchmatched in numbers when we stop listing theirs and yours. We should take into account each and every contribution to each side to have an accurate picture. Maybe you will understand it someday. Your comprehention of statistics is flawed. The numbers you posted are meaningless. the only meaninful measure would be if each alliance in each side accurately posted only their losses. Then we would have a clear picture of the losses of each side. Kills are shared, losses are not. That won't happen though. So stop wasting our time with this nice and meaningless numbers please. Quote: I notice you're in CoW, and are using your own alliance to prove your point.. which is rather stupid of you. You know fully that none of CoW's kills appear anywhere in these stats, or that CoW pilots have been bolstering our fleets. You're challenging me to send you home? I really don't get it. And even if you were remotely correct, a "mere" 2:1 disadvantage with 4:1 k/d ratio is still a beatdown of cataclysmic proportions. Firstly CoW already helped you in at le ast one battle in the North. Second CoW fights and harasses your enemies weakening then so they are part of your war efforts. Second Mr Peppy himself wrote in this forum. He judges himself your ally. Do you contend it? If so you should tell him... CoW, MC, SERA and all those corps I listed are activelly fighting your enemies. So don't try to appear like the single leet squad that is playing against overwhelming chances. Even because we know you don't like a challenge. You just like to win. Challenges are bad. You can lose when you take them. And that you cannot stand. That is why you cheat... You have nowhere near a 4:1 killing ratio if you consider all ships killed in ea ch side of this polarized conflicted. And even if you do have a 2:1 killing ratio it is quite natural given the better gear. Have you played starcraft? Zergs x Protoss maybe? Zergs have numbers, protoss concentrated power. The result is, no matter who wins, zergs will always lose more unities. So, please, don't insult my intelligence with your weak and unthought argumentation.
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:26:00 - [589] Originally by: KIATolon If by definitely worked for it, you mean "had devs give them tech II bpo's, and lead their capship fleet" then I agree with everything. At least you don't try to hide your bitterness of not accomplishing anything in-game. It's a good thing you're following Welsh' advice.
Sujin Kai Starship Direct	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:29:00 - [590] Edited by: Sujin Kai on 14/05/2007 11:27:23 Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 14/05/2007 11:05:10 Seriously coalition people its easier to just be open about your dislike for BoB. Don't come up with reasonable arguments because they'll just throw them back in your face. Just be bitter instead. BoB are better than everyone else and Eve bloody well sucks as a result. The game mechanics suck, capital ships suck and pos warfare sucks. Oh they've definitely worked for it and they fully deserve it but they apparently fail to acknowledge how poor the game is as a result. They don't care if this war breaks the community though, because all that matters is winning. Why is that the only thing that matters? Because you whine like hell on here and it makes it all the better for them. Like I say just be open about your bitterness. I bloody well hate the scum (manchester united) because they won everything for years, I won't hide that scorn behind logical arguments, they're just gits of the highest order, like BoB. Most important of all though, this doesn't make them bad people, it just makes their alliance worth smashing. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Etho Demerzel Gallente Mercenaries of Andosia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:31:00 - [591] Quote: You know, theres no sinister plot at work here. The effort with allies is joint, and the victories shared, but we're not going to post numbers we don't have anything to do with, or have access to. And judging by the north, where most of them are atm, I don't think the end result of combining everything is going to change things. It just won't, I'm really sorry Etho Demerzel. But you should be happy, since you're blue to us and therefore can claim responsibility. There is no sinister plot. That I agree with. It is just a pathetic farse, made by people that are uncapable of playing for fun. People that must win at any cost, and for whom the challenge, the fight and the fun are irrelevant. The only thing that matters are results, bragging and face. Face that you lost quite badly, but insist on hypocritically pretend you still have, by posting with alts praising yourselves, by gathering followers and by coming here to post a post like Molle's. An ode to self praise and doublethinking. I would never be proud of helping such people. Therefore, no I am not happy in becoming part of your allies. That is why I won't be part of the problem anymore in a very short future. And maybe I will become part of the solution. Even being a very small part that would make me happy.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:35:00 - [592] Edited by: welsh wizard on 14/05/2007 11:36:02 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: welsh wizard ... If by definitely worked for it, you mean "had devs give them tech II bpo's, and lead their capship fleet" then I agree with everything. Perhaps but thats such a small drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things. They're where they are because they've put in the time and dedication to get there. If you disagree with this then fair enough but acknowledge that disagreeing with it won't help you. There are two ways out of this, a very easy one and a very hard one. Be spineless and join their ever growing ranks or put in the work and fight back (sadly, it's probably a little late for this now but who knows). Just don't hide behind the bickering in here because it gets you knowhere. Be open about the whole thing and its the first step towards fighting back. All you need is a goal and someone who can be arsed with it all, like molle, bl, thol and galavet. In politics, being right doesn't matter, its what you do that counts.
Etho Demerzel Gallente Mercenaries of Andosia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:36:00 - [593] Originally by: Pepperami Originally by: Etho Dermezel @Peppy: I was ordered by my alliance to stay quiet. It is quite obvious I am ignoring it. It seeems you surely are afraid of the truth. Especially, you, Mr Pepperami. But it is ok. You will realize sooner or later that there is so little someone can do to force someone else to do as he bids in a game. I have no problem with your opinion, I just don't want you performing diplomacy in the name of cow. But since you're "leaving" your corp, post whatever drivel you want. Oh, and I remember the E02 smack you gave me when you were CA. Quite funny reading back all I was proven right on. You don't want your subservient underlings talking when you don't wish them too. You don't want to hear any opnion that is not akin to yours. And above all you don't want to be faced with reality. You, sir, are an hypocrite. About who was right, well the future is still to be written. And it was not me who started the smack there as it was not me who started it here as well, dear Peppy. You should read your posts and chatlogs more carefully. ;)
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:43:00 - [594] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 14/05/2007 11:36:02 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: welsh wizard ... If by definitely worked for it, you mean "had devs give them tech II bpo's, and lead their capship fleet" then I agree with everything. Perhaps but thats such a small drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things. They're where they are because they've put in the time and dedication to get there. If you disagree with this then fair enough but acknowledge that disagreeing with it won't help you. There are two ways out of this, a very easy one and a very hard one. Be spineless and join their ever growing ranks or put in the work and fight back (sadly, it's probably a little late for this now but who knows). Just don't hide behind the bickering in here because it gets you knowhere. Be open about the whole thing and its the first step towards fighting back. All you need is a goal and someone who can be arsed with it all, like molle, bl, thol and galavet. In politics, being right doesn't matter, its what you do that counts. I dont know how much they were helped, and I doubt anyone in BoB knows for sure either. That's the problem. One thing I want to say is that bob are great at what they do, and have achieved a great deal, but who knows what would have happened if they hadn't been helped.
Felxia CrossFire Collective	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:47:00 - [595] More propaganda woohoo! Apparantly bob needs it. Grrr don't have a sig.
Etho Demerzel Gallente Mercenaries of Andosia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:47:00 - [596] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 14/05/2007 11:33:43 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: welsh wizard ... If by definitely worked for it, you mean "had devs give them tech II bpo's, and lead their capship fleet" then I agree with everything. Perhaps but thats such a small drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things. They're where they are because they've put in the time and dedication to get there. If you disagree with this then fair enough but acknowledge that disagreeing with it won't help you. There are two ways out of this, a very easy one and a very hard one. Be spineless and join their ever growing ranks or put in the work and fight back (sadly, it's probably a little late for this now but who knows). Just don't hide behind the bickering in here because it gets you knowhere. Be open about the whole thing and its the first step towards fighting back. All you need is someone who can be arsed like Molle. In politics, being right doesn't matter, its what you do that counts. Complaining about what is wrong and acting to change it are not two mutually exclusive acts. What I see are people rightfully complaining about things that are indeed wrong. While trying their best to fix them themselves even if the odds are against them in great part because of what they are complaining about. Welsh, there is no way to tell how big or small was the effect of the bpos. There is no way to tell what else happened. The only thing that can be told is that there is a be havior pattern of exploits in BoB. The last one being the Titan POS bowling. Pratically there is very little that can be done about it since ccp didn't act correctly to fix it. But what can be done is to fix the flaws that became obvious in the game design in this war, and to deny BoB w aht the desperately crave for. Recognition, an respect. BEcause they simple don't deserve it. Their accomplishments are tainted to an extend nobody will ever know. The best way to make them pay for it, if ccp does nothing about the matter, it is not defeating them in game. They would certainly say that it was a planned exit in grand style or something of the sorts. The best way is to make sure nobody ever forget that they are nothing. Just small cheaters. We will have always fanboys and their alts to praise them. But hey, nothing like a good debate to bring to light what is rotten. Oh and in politics what counts is neither being right or doing right. What counts is looking right. And only that...
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:53:00 - [597] Edited by: RedClaws on 14/05/2007 11:58:28 Well, IÆm surprised that bob still decided to recruit with the "numbers" tactic. We all know bob fly t2 ships. Mostly commands and hacs: why? Well simply because they recruit the best out of the ones they conquer. ThatÆs a nice tactic sure but bob also seem to want to be the "bad guys" due to their arrogant behaviour and smacking in local. So now we got an elitist band of pvpers. I'm surprised they got this far to be honest. Nobody had the balls to take them on when they had the chance and now they've grown so big that other alliances need to work together to kill em. Well it did seem to work: once! Why can the coalition bring so many capitals they have to cap the system when thereÆs a "titan" at stake? Why can't they do this every day? Simply because they have no common leader and if they don't fix it they'll just keep on losing. As a "member" (can I still call my alliance a member even if we don't have any space anymore) of the coalition I noticed a distinct lack of coordination, communication and even willingness to help each other. They'd rather have an ally die than come out of their holes and help. IRC alliance was under siege, first 1 bob tower then a pos spam, a 2nd pos spam and finally defeat. IRC called out for help quite a few times. Being a small alliance we only had a limited amount of dreads but enough people to provide support. We had the willingness to bring down a couple of posses and a mothership (we certainly had to chance to) but we just didnÆt have the means. We were promised dreads and support each time we asked but never did they come. Until it was too late: I chuckled at the sight of 2 RA pilots in our system 1 day after it got taken over. The first RA pilots I had seen in the entire conflict were in fact one of the few that came over for a look in 4 weeks time. 1 or 2 Invictus pilots were spotted but thatÆs about it. An alliance was abandoned to "fight" RISE, Gods of day and night, Digital Renegades and BoB itself. You can't really call it fighting though, when youÆre outnumbered 4 to 1, especially with a supercapfleet bumping you out of your pos 23/7. Now we're dead: driven from feyth and the coalition loses a part of itself again. And like I said: this will continue till there is nothing left unless a leader is assigned. But I will still cheer for the coalition. I guess IÆm one of those guys that always sticks by the underdogs instead of running to the other side to claim an easy victory. Now get your act together damnit! Quit being such pussies and fight!
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.14 12:02:00 - [598] Originally by: Etho Demerzel ...Oh and in politics what counts is neither being right or doing right. What counts is looking right. And only that... If all that matters to a politician is self preservation, yes (and you're right that is all that matters to most of them). It's the changes they make that we live with though, regardless of the number of voters. Unfortunately this is often overlooked so we can all have a big argument about it.
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.05.14 12:47:00 - [599] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 14/05/2007 12:46:15 When the war began, the outcome of the war was far from certain. It didn't look at all that the coalition will be the underdog in this. The coalition thought themselves that they will win this easily. The Southern coalition was bragging for months that they will rollover BoB after LV is dead. They said this before the t20 incident. Despite the whole north and east engaging BoB and despite LV dying, some corps and alliances picked BoBs side or were already on that side anyway. Some coalition guys posted stuff directed to the 'pets' like: 'You have made your bed, now you must lie in it.' And this is going to happen now. Don't cry that people don't switch sides now ! It's fair game. It didn't look good for BoB, when the coalition overran LV and BoB was forced back home. At that time BoBs allies stayed with BoB although it didn't look good and fought for that side. In short: In the beginning of the war the odds looked good for the coalition, now not so good, because BoB's side is organized and the other side not and now the coaltion starts to whine at BoB allies, because it looks like they are winning.
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.14 12:53:00 - [600] Etho, I'm glad you're choosing to "go out" of moa by doing your upmost to drag their name(your friends??) through the dirt and cause as many problems as you can. A real insight to your way of thinking. Smack me, call me whatever. You've shown your true colours and are now being ejected. In future I'll give you some advice Cyberian Ragnos > Whoever is not satisfied can and should leave whatever dissatisfies them No wait, that's your own. Troll on. [EVE TASK BAR?]



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