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Hadez411 ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY 10	Posted - 2011.12.30 21:52:00 - [1] - Quote I've always wanted something inbetween battleships and massive capital ships. Now I know that the idea is that there are capitals then super capitals... but the dps jump and cost jump is very large between BS and capital... or so I feel. My idea would be something along the lines of the tier 3 BC's... it packs a punch, but it dies faster. All that but easier to manufacture and lower material cost. A more disposable dread if you will. Somewhat like the orca is to the rorqual, if that makes any sense to you. Big, slow, capable and more pricey than your typical industrials but not a rorqual by any means. I think this would allow a bit more action from smaller bodies of players who could now instead of only fielding one dread, can field a handful of these smaller ones with less skilled pilots and less money and if the bigger better pilots with dreads come along, oops ur all of a sudden fighting battleships with cruisers, in terms of proportion. I contemplate the possibility of them having inherent tracking bonuses to make them hit battleships a little bit. That or maybe throwing off the tracking idea and making them have even worse tracking, but no need for a siege module and short cyno range. Throw your ideas in, it's just that, an idea. :) Here's some other random ideas: - A kind of ship that requires 2 or 3 of the same ship with the same module on them to activate a mini-doomsday or some kind of module that has a pretty big effect but requires you have a handful of people working in unison to acheive it. OR a sort of linking with another ship, which renders you in a siege-like mode of being immobile, but give the receiver an alpha that gets bigger with the more people feeding into it.
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 411	Posted - 2011.12.30 22:28:00 - [2] - Quote Dreads should be cheaper. SBs cost the same as t2 frigs, while killing BS 2 sizes up. Dreads should cost the same as HACs, while killing caps 2 sizes up. Oh, and give them covops, remove siege penalties.
Hadez411 ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY 10	Posted - 2011.12.30 22:30:00 - [3] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Dreads should be cheaper. SBs cost the same as t2 frigs, while killing BS 2 sizes up. Dreads should cost the same as HACs, while killing caps 2 sizes up. Oh, and give them covops, remove siege penalties. Troll rating 0/10
Duchess Starbuckington Starbuckington Manor 60	Posted - 2011.12.30 22:51:00 - [4] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Dreads should be cheaper. SBs cost the same as t2 frigs, while killing BS 2 sizes up. Dreads should cost the same as HACs, while killing caps 2 sizes up. Oh, and give them covops, remove siege penalties. This man is a genius
Emperor Salazar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 301	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:01:00 - [5] - Quote Stop being space poor. edit: wtf fielding one dread you have no idea what dreads are actually used for do you? what you want are battleships...they already exist
Hadez411 ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY 10	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:03:00 - [6] - Quote If there's anything that could be had from what Goose wrote, its that maybe these new mini-dreads could be proportionate in price to a marauder. Just like Stealthbomber is to Assault Frig. Maybe making small capitals is the wrong idea. Instead, make a battleship version of the tier 3 battlecruiser. Battleships with capital gun(s) and penalties to balance them accordingly. Less HP? Siege mode? Slow as an orca? You tell me.
Hadez411 ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY 10	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:05:00 - [7] - Quote Emperor Salazar wrote: Stop being space poor. edit: wtf fielding one dread you have no idea what dreads are actually used for do you? what you want are battleships...they already exist Battleships dps: 800-1200 Dread dps: 6,000-15,000 Assuming both are fit to their upper end. There's room for something inbetween 1200 and 15,000. I know what dreads are for. Im not poor in the least. Kthxbye.
Emperor Salazar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 301	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:08:00 - [8] - Quote Complains about dreads costing too much. Claims isn't poor.
Hadez411 ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY 10	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:12:00 - [9] - Quote Emperor Salazar wrote: Complains about dreads costing too much. Claims isn't poor. The increase in cost of dreads further lengthens the gap between BS and dread. Thus, along with the gap of dps I spelled out for you, makes even more sense to put an increment inbetween the two. Try to use your brain.
Emperor Salazar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 301	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:18:00 - [10] - Quote Hadez411 wrote: Emperor Salazar wrote: Complains about dreads costing too much. Claims isn't poor. The increase in cost of dreads further lengthens the gap between BS and dread. Thus, along with the gap of dps I spelled out for you, makes even more sense to put an increment inbetween the two. Please, try to use your brain. As it was, 120m for a tier3 bs in proportion to approx 900m-1bil for a dread was pretty proportionate along with the rest of the ship and price increments. Now 2b is just opening doors for improvements.... and comments from test ally members of no worth apparently. Personal attacks are fun amirite? But really, what you are proposing is a dread like ship with more DPS than a battleship and has the tracking to hit battleships. What role does it serve other than a way to make poor players feel special?
Hadez411 ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY 10	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:23:00 - [11] - Quote It doesnt have to be able to hit battleships. It's called a hypothetical idea that can use tweaks not uninformative bashing. If it could hit battleships, I'd suggest it be as frail as the tier 3 battlecruisers are in proportion to other battlecruisers, thus balancing it. Even if it did only allow more poor players to get in on larger fights, whats horrible about that? means that Test Alliance would be able to have much more pilots using these as well as everyone else.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 394	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:32:00 - [12] - Quote The point with a dread is that they're deployed to blitz structures etc, and it's something you don't do lightly. Its siege mod also means you can't do much for 5 minutes afterwards. Thus the jump in DPS. What, exactly, would be the main purpose of this "mini-dread"?
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 411	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:39:00 - [13] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: The point with a dread is that they're deployed to blitz structures etc, and it's something you don't do lightly. Its siege mod also means you can't do much for 5 minutes afterwards. Thus the jump in DPS. What, exactly, would be the main purpose of this "mini-dread"? Actually, they were implemented to kill caps. Read old devblogs. But they're now only used for POS bashing due to suckage.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 394	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:40:00 - [14] - Quote I didn't say "designed/implemented", I said "deployed".
Hadez411 ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY 10	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:43:00 - [15] - Quote As goose said.. for fighting dreads. It would be good in a dread killer fleet, a bunker bashing ship, undefended pos basher.. use your imagnation. As is, mom's and titans are the way to go for cap killing but thats not a door open to everyone. You can bring bhaalgorns and neut the **** outta them.. or a an assload of ships and out-dps them. It would just add more variety. If the cost was high, it wouldnt be unbalanced. People with money but fewer numbers could fly these and shoot up lowsec dreads etc. You could use them like a swarm of frigates on a battleship to swarm a titan.. or a mothership? Any of these things seem absolutely horrible or game-ruining to you? Any of them seem unapplicable to goonswarm or test alliance but only applicable to highsec noobs or poor people?
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 394	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:46:00 - [16] - Quote I'd rather just run a shoal of neut 425-fitted hurricanes at them. vOv
Hadez411 ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY 10	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:49:00 - [17] - Quote Well not everyone has shoals of hurricanes or prefers them. What might you suggest be put in that gap between bs and cap? Im just interested in ideas, not looking to bash yours.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 394	Posted - 2011.12.30 23:56:00 - [18] - Quote Personally, I don't see why there should be a ship between bs and dreads. Dreads just got a major buff in tossability with just a 5 minute siege cycle, finally making them usable again after the supers buff, but they're still awfully vulnerable while in that 5 min siege cycle (which they have to use to even be worth using). The idea of a mini-dread isn't horrible or game-breaking, I'm just thinking they'll end up like a fad for a few seconds, only to become yet another headache and nag point for the vocal few when CCP tries to balance the ships. And short-ranged BS or BCs can, in sufficiently large number, make absolute mincemeat of a normal fleet of dreads as it is.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 180	Posted - 2011.12.31 00:03:00 - [19] - Quote The game really doesn't need another 'anti capital' ship class, seeing as pretty much everything above a cruiser is already effective in the 'anti-capital' role.
Velicitia Open Designs 292	Posted - 2011.12.31 00:05:00 - [20] - Quote TBH, dreads and carriers are fine at their current price point. One ship that costs as much as 10-15 BS (or so), and in the case of a dread will throw DPS like those 10-15 BS. In a fight, I'd rather be on the side with 10-15 BS, than on the side with one dread or carrier (unless there's a supporting fleet for said capship).
Hadez411 ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY 10	Posted - 2011.12.31 00:11:00 - [21] - Quote In the least, its more enabling for small bodies of people who can raise the money for it. Should we all be forced to join up in large alliances? I dont think so. I'd like an option to shoot at dreads without needing "shoals" of pilots, but within reason. Give them penalties so that we need to work them into the right situations and they arent just some free for all high dps boat that anyone can use for anything, anywhere. If some guy wants to show up in a lone dread to shoot at my customs offices or pos, I wanna hop in something with a small handful of my buddies and go take him out. Maybe I dont have 2bil to spend on a dread, or one close enough, or Im more worried about getting hot dropped and want something more escapable.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 396	Posted - 2011.12.31 00:17:00 - [22] - Quote "Shoals" don't need to be huge. Also, there's a lot to be said for throwing cheap ships at caps. How many dreads do you think you'll take down with 10-20 gankfit BS before you're taken down, and how much more efficient, price-wise, do you think that'd be than a 500m "minidread"? And I think you'd find it wholly price inefficient to throw bhaalgorns into such fights.
Velicitia Open Designs 292	Posted - 2011.12.31 00:20:00 - [23] - Quote Hadez411 wrote: If some guy wants to show up in a lone dread to shoot at my customs offices or pos, I wanna hop in something with a small handful of my buddies and go take him out. Maybe I dont have 2bil to spend on a dread, or one close enough, or Im more worried about getting hot dropped and want something more escapable. I would consider "me plus nine buddies" a "handful". 10 blaster/pulse/ac fit BS (or hell, Tier3 BC) ships will spank said dread, and still have the ability to GTFO if someone lights a cyno. Why are you anywhere in empire where your dread(s) aren't in jumprange of your POS? edit cuz i suck at quoting tonight
Hadez411 ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY 10	Posted - 2011.12.31 00:21:00 - [24] - Quote Im thinking more along lowsec small-scale less 0.0 massive-scale where expensive items are not used. There are bhaalgorns and stuff and people use them.. more expensive items cant be really that awful can they?
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 396	Posted - 2011.12.31 00:24:00 - [25] - Quote How much does a bhaalgorn cost, and how efficient is it at neuting vs, say, a domi?
Hadez411 ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY 10	Posted - 2011.12.31 00:25:00 - [26] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Hadez411 wrote: If some guy wants to show up in a lone dread to shoot at my customs offices or pos, I wanna hop in something with a small handful of my buddies and go take him out. Maybe I dont have 2bil to spend on a dread, or one close enough, or Im more worried about getting hot dropped and want something more escapable. I would consider "me plus nine buddies" a "handful". 10 blaster/pulse/ac fit BS (or hell, Tier3 BC) ships will spank said dread, and still have the ability to GTFO if someone lights a cyno. Why are you anywhere in empire where your dread(s) aren't in jumprange of your POS? edit cuz i suck at quoting tonight Dunno, maybe u have a couple lowsec pos's and alot of highsec between them? Can travel highsec in some kinda battleship that resembles the new tier 3 battlecruiser.
Hadez411 ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY 10	Posted - 2011.12.31 00:27:00 - [27] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: How much does a bhaalgorn cost, and how efficient is it at neuting vs, say, a domi? I couldnt give you the exact numbers, but tank/dps/neut vs domi is maybe not 15x better than domi, but the value in the bhaalgorn is there if you have a limited number of people. You can do a hell of alot better with 10 bhaalgorns than 10 domis.... and web 30km :D
LeHarfang Intersteller Masons Wonder Kids 13	Posted - 2011.12.31 00:28:00 - [28] - Quote Hadez411 wrote: Velicitia wrote: Hadez411 wrote: If some guy wants to show up in a lone dread to shoot at my customs offices or pos, I wanna hop in something with a small handful of my buddies and go take him out. Maybe I dont have 2bil to spend on a dread, or one close enough, or Im more worried about getting hot dropped and want something more escapable. I would consider "me plus nine buddies" a "handful". 10 blaster/pulse/ac fit BS (or hell, Tier3 BC) ships will spank said dread, and still have the ability to GTFO if someone lights a cyno. Why are you anywhere in empire where your dread(s) aren't in jumprange of your POS? edit cuz i suck at quoting tonight Dunno, maybe u have a couple lowsec pos's and alot of highsec between them? Can travel highsec in some kinda battleship that resembles the new tier 3 battlecruiser. A battleship with XL turrets? Damn....
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 396	Posted - 2011.12.31 00:29:00 - [29] - Quote I don't think you need to web cap ships...
Hadez411 ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY 10	Posted - 2011.12.31 00:32:00 - [30] - Quote lol, no.. you dont, but we're talking about bhaalgorns vs domis in respect to "mini-dread" vs battleships. The point is that if you wanna spend some money to be able to do things better, or simply be able to do things, with fewer numbers, there are already ships like that (example: bhaalgorn) and so I dont think its unreasonable to have another.

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