Like I wrote: more practical. Reading... again Ruby... come on.
Its possible with select ships, why not make it possible with more universal ships? why not push the threshold by a few hundred dps at the expense of survivability to make it into a ship to fill a role people want and not just a t2 varient of the fleet issue phoon?

20 is less than 100 by a factor of 5. Rate the cost of this ship as such if you will. 100m for a bs, 500m for a sieging-oriented bs.

True, fitted bs is more like 250m.

Lets say your 250m bs is cranking out 800dps on avg in a fleet. Your dread only costs 1.2bil usually and can do an easy 6,000dps and up. That isnt really much of a huge hike in price. 6,000 divided by 8 is 7.5. So 7.5 battleships worth of dps at the low end of dread dps and that is already over 1.4bil which is more than the cost of a dread.

It's always the 0.0 ******* that want to ***** about and attempt to shoot down any possible changes that could threaten their current domination over null or make them have to share more of it. This would also make wormholes all kinds of interesting and decrease the huge power of the people who built a ton of caps in a c4 or lower.

I prefer the little people big isk solution. Its how I like to play. Not as a part of a large-scale operation like a thousand man alliance running dirt cheap fittings, but as veteran player that can make alot of money without alot of people and hold some power. As are the people I play with. Money is power, wIthin reason ofcourse, which I feel this plays into, as shown in calculations below.
Not like this is anything new... you can pimp the hell out of your t3 with all kinds of money and make it the equivalent of many t2 cruisers. Shouldnt be that big of a leap to take pumping isk into your ship for prominence in fleet engagements to doing the same for pos engagements.

If you can get 10,000dps out of 600m and 20 people. 2,000-2,500dps isnt that unreasonable for ~500m and 1 person. Seeing that its only one person, that would make sense that you get less for more as you're reducing the number of people. I dont know if the ratio is right but it seems like its in the right ballpark.


1person:20m:500dps (SB)
1person:500m:2,000dps (mini-dread)
1person:~1bil:6,000dps (dread)

Mini-dread: 4x the dps, 25x the price.
Dread: 12x the dps, 50x the price.

Getting three times more dps in the dread for only twice as much. Thats at 6,000 dps... errbody knows dreads can do more than that..

"No, sir, I do not bite my thumb at you, sir, but I bite my thumb, sir. "

Im just generalizing in an attempt to add weight to a rebuttal.

"Shoals" don't need to be huge. Also, there's a lot to be said for throwing cheap ships at caps. How many dreads do you think you'll take down with 10-20 gankfit BS before you're taken down, and how much more efficient, price-wise, do you think that'd be than a 500m "minidread"?

And I think you'd find it wholly price inefficient to throw bhaalgorns into such fights.

Due to the ionic field created by the siege module, remote effects like warp scrambling et al. will not affect the ship while in siege mode.

This also means that friendly remote effects will not work while in siege mode either.

Thus far, the main assumed positive to come out of this that I've seen is we'll get something to make hisec POS bashing easier. My main reservation is that it might make dreads less desired, and they've already been marginalized for 2 years due to the supercaps buff. I've no idea if they're "back in fashion" with the slew of changes crucible brought to both them and supercaps, but I'm fearing that making a subcap that's fairly close to a sieged dread (I call half the dps fairly close) without the hefty skill requirements that comes with going for capitals, will also marginalize the dreads.

I've always wanted something ...

Me too! I kinda want this sorta thing that has a whatsit and the thing may or may not do something when a battleship is there for like the ding-a-ma-jig which finds out the thing-a-ma-bob has a something or other when it flies near that other thing.

And capital weapons.

True.. but training cap weps is a joke compared to t2 large weps. Depends on whether this thing would take the shape of a ship that can fit a cap gun or a ship that just uses a siege module w/ regular guns I guess.

And Jump Skills.

15d Warp Drive 5 (I'm not sure how many subcap pilots ever train that)

20-25d JDO 1-5

10-15d JFC 1-4

10-15d(45d) JDC 1-4(5)

That's a significant amount of time.

...all but the same training for dread except the nav skills for cyno jumping.

The useable minimum for getting into a dread and being able to jump is alot less than what you've posted. More like just jump drive operation 3. As is my alt who simply hops his carrier short distanes to wormholes. Maybe like 15d Warp Drive 5, 1-2 days JDO 3. An 18 day difference and a massive difference in the ships being compared. Anything further is your own desire to jump many more systems at a time, something this ship wouldnt be able to do. So comparing the trade off between being able to cyno vs. traveling highsec 1 jump at a time... like comparing two different animals.

True.. but training cap weps is a joke compared to t2 large weps. Depends on whether this thing would take the shape of a ship that can fit a cap gun or a ship that just uses a siege module w/ regular guns I guess.

Also add t1 anti-sub cap weapons for the dread & Titan classes.

Uh. As if titans need better guns against subcaps.

And it's not like they can't fit lower-tier guns if they feel like they absolutely must.

Now your asking for a sub cap with cap guns.

So give whales some of the same love. Give caps anti-sub cap guns. And I'm not talking about small rails either. I'm on about a capital EoA anti sub cap weapon that can fire at range.