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Feke Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:36:00 - [1] Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:40:10 Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:35:53 First I just want to say this isn't meant as a place for people to flame so please don't. I want a genuine response from people on how they feel the things I am going to mention have effected and will continue to affect the wars that are raging on right now. The south seemingly has an endless ability of making isk. Firstly the ore it is able to mine, namely Arkonor. Why is it that only the south gets access to these roids to mine? Reason this is an issue is because the price of Zyd, main result of Crokite, has gone from 4.5k/unit to barely 1k/unit. Crokite was and still is the main source of income second to ratting. Since the introduction of the new system in the south for dropped Zyd the prices dropped at a staggering rate to where its hardly a profit to spend time mining it anymore. But yet to counter this decline in worth CCP still has yet to provide other regions with Arkonor to spread the wealth around. Yes giving other regions Arkonor to mine would then drop its worth and two wrongs don't make a right but something should be done to change it. Giving one region a monopoly over something while taking another region's monopoly away doesn't stand to benefit anybody. Secondly the complexes that were farmed for months upon months for billions and billions of isk. Yes I know this was a bug but the amount of time and lack of involvement for the greater part of this by CCP allowed certain entities to take full advantage of it which most likely is still being felt today. On top of that the south has more high isk making complexes than any other region in Eve. Why? Last is the amount of belts per system in the south compared to other regions. This provides more places to strip mine as well as rat for isk. This isn't directed as a BoB conspiracy theory so just don't even go there. My sentiment is not just my own but that of several people who I have talked to from DIFFERENT regions. Ive also read other threads about this same issue but thought it should be revisited since I feel it has a direct connection with the current situation in Eve when it comes to the super powers who control certain areas. Again if you disagree with what I have said then do it in a mature and grown up fashion and leave the flamings/trollings to a place where people actually care to hear it. Losing my 0.0 isnt influencing this thread either. I've been wanting to post this for a long time and finally figured what the hell. I know regions get taken over on a regular basis in Eve, its part of life you could say. <insert disclaimer?> "This is the views of me and me alone. They're not to be linked with my Corp or Alliance in any way."
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:39:00 - [2] I still miss BKG Blog
Abn Matar Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:40:00 - [3] Where is this "south region" youre talking about, presses F10 cant find it on the map, I guees youre drunk?
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:40:00 - [4] Why do you think we moved south in the first place? Outside of crok heaven, the rest of the regions were crap from our perspective whereas delve and the surrounding areas were isk rich and had massive potential for development. Out of curiosity, do peeps in general feel that every region be equal? Personally I'm of the opinion that it makes the game much more fun if there are different valued regions as it turns the whole thing into one giant king of the hill game. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Feke Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Abn Matar Where is this "south region" youre talking about, presses F10 cant find it on the map, I guees youre drunk? The opposite of North.
V4MPIRELLA ANATOLIA WOLF	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:42:00 - [6] All regions must not have equal value and i think high end roids must be spread all around that that may cause alliances fight for the sources or make trading pacts and et etc Here think that a region having lots of low foundable minerals but low on other things and a region have the other minerals high in some point or Npc spawns differs one to an other this will make alliances conflict or work together For the plexes i think CCP is doing the right thing that static plexes going and spawning hidden plexes comming this will make farming comlexes hard and also will lead people to train new skills if they want to find these complexes and also people in empire will got a chance of plex running with out the plex farmers. If i am not mistaken it will be : High sec systems ---> 1-4 difficulty rated plexes Low sec systems ---> 4-7 " " " 0.0 sec systems ---> 7-10 " " " this way an empire carebear may dare to go low secs and 0,0 to look into the complexes as he cannot be scanned in a complexe and can be found only if the complexe founded and this will give that empire runner at least 20 mins to run the complexe or do what he can run away etc etc If CCP change the astroid belts to hidden belts it will lead ore prices go up or drone regions more worthfull to conquer. This is my point of view
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:43:00 - [7] Originally by: DB Preacher Why do you think we moved south in the first place? Outside of crok heaven, the rest of the regions were crap from our perspective whereas delve and the surrounding areas were isk rich and had massive potential for development. Out of curiosity, do peeps in general feel that every region be equal? Personally I'm of the opinion that it makes the game much more fun if there are different valued regions as it turns the whole thing into one giant king of the hill game. dbp >_> beat me to it on this thread... Your signature <----- My awsome Sig Real men PVP on the Forums.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:44:00 - [8] 1) There is "deeper" space in the south than there is in the north. Deep Omist / Feythabolis / Cache is much further away from empire / NPC stations than the deepest of Tenal/Branch/etc. 2) Crokite used to be the best ore to mine when Zyd prices were higher. It was more profitable to mine Crokite than to mine Arkonor or Bistot. Bistot keeps being the best "production" ore to mine, because it has the right distribution of mega/zyd for ship construction. 3) Faction spawns up north have a lot more valuable drops than the southern spawns. Almost anything a DG spawn drops can easily go for 100 mill, not so much with DB/TS/Domi spawns. Also, the officer stuff can be insta-billionaire sales. 4) Plexes: both bloods and guristas didn't really have many plexes, that's true. Also, the south has more deep space regions and thus more 10/10 plexes. Come to think of it, the south just simply has more regions. The really deep space regions have two 10/10s in one region (Feyth, Cache IIRC, Esoteria) but then again, that's a lot deeper deep space than anywhere in the north. At the moment, I guess Ark is the best ore to mine. This is due to the fact that for some reason, the megacyte price seems to not have been effected by the new drone regions. Go chain some guristas though, I made 1.5b in DG loots in a few days during down times when NPCing in FLA space when we were over there. Granted I was lucky, but a single DG Cruise/HML nets you 100-150m, a DG invul nets you 350m, etc.. - -
Minas Reul Dark Horizons Red Horizon	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:46:00 - [9] Originally by: DB Preacher Out of curiosity, do peeps in general feel that every region be equal? Personally I'm of the opinion that it makes the game much more fun if there are different valued regions as it turns the whole thing into one giant king of the hill game. True, but it seems that some recent changes haven't been thought through very well, and as a result have made the universe a bit unbalanced. If you look at ores like bistot, which are available in the north, they are still available in lower quantities. This, coupled with the fact that drone rats drop stuff that refines to zyd, and not mega, seems a bit odd. There definitely should be prized regions, and reasons to fight for space, but surely they can be spread a bit more evenly around the map?
Minas Reul Dark Horizons Red Horizon	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:50:00 - [10] Also, as people have said, northern rats can be more profitable, epecially when compared to angels, but having a flaw that kind of matches a flaw doesn't sit right as a reason to not fix things. The north shouldn't have to primarily make isk from ratting an and the south should have to make it from mining, there can be a good mix.
Aira Phlux Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:54:00 - [11] I think the issues stated are being addressed with the enhancements to exploration and the "possible" removal of standard asteroid belts. Time to get Electronics Upgrades 5 trained guys
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Minas Reul True, but it seems that some recent changes haven't been thought through very well, and as a result have made the universe a bit unbalanced. If you look at ores like bistot, which are available in the north, they are still available in lower quantities. This, coupled with the fact that drone rats drop stuff that refines to zyd, and not mega, seems a bit odd. There definitely should be prized regions, and reasons to fight for space, but surely they can be spread a bit more evenly around the map? Yeah I dunno really, sometimes territory isn't always purely about the isk though remember. When we were up north, we could control the whole of the north by controlling the gates of venal (ec-p8r). That security was worth alot at the time to us (in the NVA). At the time we moved to delve, as I said above, it had potential for development as an isk rich area but fountain was the true region of supposed riches (imo, that turned out to be a white elephant). What delve did give us however was an amazing strategic position from where we could easily limit access to 3 whole regions and gave us instant access to Fountain. For us at the time, the potential development and the security and access of the region was more important than simply iskiskiskiskisk. I agree the recent changes haven't particularily been balanced but perhaps this is CCP's plan to create king of the hill areas rather than equal distribution much like real life. Also, I'm not entirely sure that it makes a massive difference, all of 0.0 is populated. All of 0.0 can make masses of isk. An example of this would be to look at where the titans were developed. 3 in the south, 3 in the east, 3 in the north. Personally that doesn't look too unbalanced unless you are in the west of eve. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Draahk Chimera Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:59:00 - [13] You're forgetting about the rouge drone regions. If you live in "tze North" you are 99% cetrain to be napped with the people who live there. And its still pretty empty. Ratting drones will yeald about 3x the isk from ratting Gurries and about 2x the isk from ratting Sanshas. Also you can rat drones 1 week and Gurries 1 week to get trit/pyre spawns and build bs like no tomorrow (and still make kinda good profit from selling the left-over zyd and morph).
Royaldo KVA Noble Inc. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:03:00 - [14] i dunno really.. the whole south/north deal is kinda.. well,.. where is the east and west? personally, i think fountain is 1 of the best, if not the best region ingame. good ore, cormack in local, and the rats are very easy to kill.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:10:00 - [15] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 17/05/2007 11:12:14 I like how different areas have different resources and relative value.. Like the constellation IAC lived in for a long time before -A- gave us their huzzah stations, completely crap resources there apart from one system with arkonor and a single 6/10 plex in another system.. Not high enough sec rating for sansha officers to spawn, so it wasn't worth the effort for someone stronger to take our space, but still better than empire, and even a single arkonor system is quite nice for a small group to mine. Best feature is ease of defence. Since it's a dead end constellation with a single gate you can blob to keep people out or in, and only 5 moons in the system with the complex makes it easy to keep deathstars covering every moon of our capital. JZV constellation is a bit like australia in RISK tbh Maybe that's why we have so many aussies.. http://eve.klaki.net/
Gandolf Gallente Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:17:00 - [16] i think the ore is distributed evenly ,NPCing in the north especially Venal is better than the south i would say, as far as complex's go i think CCP made a big mistake giving delve 12 plexs while other 0.0 regions normally have 2-3 but other than that i have no complants about richer regions it makes the game more interesting , if all were the same it might make things boring.
Indiano Arko Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:19:00 - [17] Well CCP is fixing it soon by removing all static complexes and belts. Altho, it will kill new regions unless they make exploration much better there by that time, because now as I heard exploration in the drone regions ain't any good comparing to other regions.
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:19:00 - [18] Originally by: DB Preacher Why do you think we moved south in the first place? Outside of crok heaven, the rest of the regions were crap from our perspective whereas delve and the surrounding areas were isk rich and had massive potential for development. Out of curiosity, do peeps in general feel that every region be equal? Personally I'm of the opinion that it makes the game much more fun if there are different valued regions as it turns the whole thing into one giant king of the hill game. dbp You have a point, but I think that it's even more amusing two watch "two kings of two hills" fighting each other, rather than one king of the hill unleashes it's fury on a little prince of the shiathole ^_^ Basicly what I'm saying is that each part of EVE galaxy (be it north, south, west and east) needs to have a "hill". - BH
Raznarok Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:24:00 - [19] I find that Placid and Lonetrek are quite plentiful in Isk making ventures.
JabJabVVV Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:28:00 - [20] I think the drone regions kind of borked the balance, they do seem to drop insane amounts if zydrine, which seems to have devalued the north somewhat. However I think the biggest imbalance at the moment is 0.0 compared to empire. My current preferred method of making isk is to jump clone back to empire and run a few level 4 missions, I probably don't make quite as much as ratting/mining but it's nearly as good and I don't have to watch local, I don't have to share the rats or compete with anyone and to get back to the front lines I just have to click a button and the jump clone does the rest. This doesn't seem right when I have access to what are supposedly among the most valuable regions in the game. ----------- When I was a n00b, I spake as a n00b, I understood as a n00b, I thought as a n00b: but when I became pr0, I put away n00bish things.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:35:00 - [21] Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 17/05/2007 11:44:58 Large parts of the South used to suck for ratting back when Angels were really hard to kill compared to every other kind of npc out there. And the New Regions are far from ideal for casual isk production as you get no loot (in terms of useful modules) and NO BOUNTY from the kills so u have to scoop every can, they get it back to base, then get it refined, then get the minerals to empire for sale etc plus there are no "faction" dornes so no chance of the rare "big kill" and the roids are/were completely bugged so that mining was a non-starter. Complexes are the worst thing in the game (aside from supercapitals and pos) and should be removed completely.
thetwilitehour ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:44:00 - [22] Lately the Gurista drop are a lot worse. Much less arbalest cruise/siege than you used to get, and the DG spawns are full of crap. In my first 2 DG spawns I got like 5x as much isk as from the last 5 (around 7 total in close to a year.) It does seem like the north got hit with the nerfbat with the new loot drop tables and the introduction of Drone Regions. I think not every region should be equal, but I think different regions should be good at different things. It'd be nice imo if the drones didnt drop so much high end minerals imo, and maybe dropped more mid range, but had realy good compression factor, making drone alloys worth more than their size in composite minerals, without wrecking the value of zydrine so totally. Also maybe slapping another region NW of Branch/Deklein and another NW of Cloud ring/fountain would be nice, to balance out the plexes. Hopefully the new exploration belts will let ppl in any region find any ore, imo that would be much more balanced, and just have more of a skew towards certain regions being more likely to get whatever.
Acalin	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:49:00 - [23] Edited by: Acalin on 17/05/2007 11:48:32 Originally by: JabJabVVV I think the drone regions kind of borked the balance, they do seem to drop insane amounts if zydrine, which seems to have devalued the north somewhat. The drones dont drop that insanely. http://eveinfo.com/alloy_price/ This is an old list I found, dont mind the prices and as above: no faction loot, no bounty, lots off cargo space, refining skills, tax rates, getting it "back to empire"..... Alot off ppl would prefere bounty rats with insta cash reward instead off alot off work for unknown profit (depends on market).
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:04:00 - [24] Regions which have different content are good for Eve I think. However I would think it a much better solution if not one region has everything in abundancy but that different regions would have a main focus for example some regions have a nice amount of complexes/high chance of exploration stuff but bad ore and rats, other regions would have excellent ore but not much else and then some other regions would have many good places to rat. And by the way, BoB went south a bit before the south got all those complexes - just for the history record.
Grom Gor Absolute Guardians	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:04:00 - [25] Well then kill BoB and take their space. What's the problem? :)
JabJabVVV Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Acalin Comment on my post Sorry, I didn't mean to say that drones were unbalanced for money making I meant that they seem to drop a disproportionately large amount of zydrine compared to other minerals. However my statement was based on observation (refining drone loot) and is not backed up by your table. Perhaps the imbalance is caused by people selectively targeting the most valuable rats (which drop the highest proportion of zydrine) hence the apparent imbalance. I would suggest that the most lucrative regions at the moment (after empire level 4's) are Feythabolis and a lot of RAGoon space - many plex's which drop very valuable Gist mods and the only regions that contain significant quantities of Arkanor oh and I believe the angel rats come out top of the salvage table (alloyed tritanium bars ftw.) However regardless of whose space is the most valuable (RAGoons or BoB's) it still leaves the north/east as a poor second. ----------- When I was a n00b, I spake as a n00b, I understood as a n00b, I thought as a n00b: but when I became pr0, I put away n00bish things.
Feke Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Grom Gor Well then kill BoB and take their space. What's the problem? :) Because logistics are just as important as man power. BoB is established in the south while other regions are starting to feel the pinch on isk due to recent changes.
Chirinako Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:27:00 - [28] I'm not really in any place to comment on the Money making possibilities of every region in Eve, but one thing that strikes me as pretty obvious is that the most powerful longstanding alliances would take advantage of the better regions early on. Hence why Bob parked themselves in Delve which is arguably the best region in eve for ores and whatnot. I don't exactly know how long RA have been around but apparently their regions are pretty hot in plexes and ores too. Waagaa is right when he says that the south is much deeper and further from empire than the furthest reaches of branch and tenal, this might also be a reason. I don't agree with the statement that "the south can make more isk than the north" because the amount of officer spawns you can get up there is crazy compared to down south and the drops are even crazier. Also, if this was NOT a hit at Bob, then why is it posted in CAOD?
Pattonator CRICE Corporation Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:32:00 - [29] First of all not sure that this thread is in the right place but I'll comment anyway. Having lived in Tenerifis, Stain and now Deklein I can make a few comments. Tenerifis had some great availability of Crimson Ark. You could also chain quite a few triple Angel BS spawns and make a decent flow of ISk. However what we noticed is that despite similar true sec status the percentage of people whoever saw officer or faction spawns was pretty low. We had a number of people who in a year of consistent ratting in Tenerifis never saw officers and maybe only a few faction spawns. In our first days in Stain we had a ton of members who got True Sansha spawns. I don't know if this is a bug.
Silvestri Minmatar FIRMA	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:43:00 - [30] seems like the next regions created will be deeper north to balance it out...good points on all fronts.

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