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Feke
Artic Blue
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:40:10
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:35:53
First I just want to say this isn't meant as a place for people to flame so please don't. I want a genuine response from people on how they feel the things I am going to mention have effected and will continue to affect the wars that are raging on right now.
The south seemingly has an endless ability of making isk. Firstly the ore it is able to mine, namely Arkonor. Why is it that only the south gets access to these roids to mine? Reason this is an issue is because the price of Zyd, main result of Crokite, has gone from 4.5k/unit to barely 1k/unit. Crokite was and still is the main source of income second to ratting. Since the introduction of the new system in the south for dropped Zyd the prices dropped at a staggering rate to where its hardly a profit to spend time mining it anymore. But yet to counter this decline in worth CCP still has yet to provide other regions with Arkonor to spread the wealth around.
Yes giving other regions Arkonor to mine would then drop its worth and two wrongs don't make a right but something should be done to change it. Giving one region a monopoly over something while taking another region's monopoly away doesn't stand to benefit anybody.
Secondly the complexes that were farmed for months upon months for billions and billions of isk. Yes I know this was a bug but the amount of time and lack of involvement for the greater part of this by CCP allowed certain entities to take full advantage of it which most likely is still being felt today.
On top of that the south has more high isk making complexes than any other region in Eve. Why?
Last is the amount of belts per system in the south compared to other regions. This provides more places to strip mine as well as rat for isk.
This isn't directed as a BoB conspiracy theory so just don't even go there.
My sentiment is not just my own but that of several people who I have talked to from DIFFERENT regions. Ive also read other threads about this same issue but thought it should be revisited since I feel it has a direct connection with the current situation in Eve when it comes to the super powers who control certain areas.
Again if you disagree with what I have said then do it in a mature and grown up fashion and leave the flamings/trollings to a place where people actually care to hear it.
Losing my 0.0 isnt influencing this thread either. I've been wanting to post this for a long time and finally figured what the hell. I know regions get taken over on a regular basis in Eve, its part of life you could say.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:39:00 -
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I still miss BKG 
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Abn Matar
Minmatar
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:40:00 -
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Where is this "south region" youre talking about, *presses F10* cant find it on the map, I guees youre drunk? |
DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:40:00 -
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Why do you think we moved south in the first place?
Outside of crok heaven, the rest of the regions were crap from our perspective whereas delve and the surrounding areas were isk rich and had massive potential for development.
Out of curiosity, do peeps in general feel that every region be equal?
Personally I'm of the opinion that it makes the game much more fun if there are different valued regions as it turns the whole thing into one giant king of the hill game.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner
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Feke
Artic Blue
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Abn Matar
Where is this "south region" youre talking about, *presses F10* cant find it on the map, I guees youre drunk?
The opposite of North.
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V4MPIRELLA
ANATOLIA WOLF
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:42:00 -
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All regions must not have equal value and i think high end roids must be spread all around that that may cause alliances fight for the sources or make trading pacts and et etc
Here think that a region having lots of low foundable minerals but low on other things and a region have the other minerals high in some point or Npc spawns differs one to an other this will make alliances conflict or work together
For the plexes i think CCP is doing the right thing that static plexes going and spawning hidden plexes comming this will make farming comlexes hard and also will lead people to train new skills if they want to find these complexes and also people in empire will got a chance of plex running with out the plex farmers.
If i am not mistaken it will be :
High sec systems ---> 1-4 difficulty rated plexes
Low sec systems ---> 4-7 " " "
0.0 sec systems ---> 7-10 " " "
this way an empire carebear may dare to go low secs and 0,0 to look into the complexes as he cannot be scanned in a complexe and can be found only if the complexe founded and this will give that empire runner at least 20 mins to run the complexe or do what he can run away etc etc
If CCP change the astroid belts to hidden belts it will lead ore prices go up or drone regions more worthfull to conquer.
This is my point of view
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Minigin
Ganja Labs
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Why do you think we moved south in the first place?
Outside of crok heaven, the rest of the regions were crap from our perspective whereas delve and the surrounding areas were isk rich and had massive potential for development.
Out of curiosity, do peeps in general feel that every region be equal?
Personally I'm of the opinion that it makes the game much more fun if there are different valued regions as it turns the whole thing into one giant king of the hill game.
dbp
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:44:00 -
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1) There is "deeper" space in the south than there is in the north. Deep Omist / Feythabolis / Cache is much further away from empire / NPC stations than the deepest of Tenal/Branch/etc.
2) Crokite used to be the best ore to mine when Zyd prices were higher. It was more profitable to mine Crokite than to mine Arkonor or Bistot. Bistot keeps being the best "production" ore to mine, because it has the right distribution of mega/zyd for ship construction.
3) Faction spawns up north have a lot more valuable drops than the southern spawns. Almost anything a DG spawn drops can easily go for 100 mill, not so much with DB/TS/Domi spawns. Also, the officer stuff can be insta-billionaire sales.
4) Plexes: both bloods and guristas didn't really have many plexes, that's true. Also, the south has more deep space regions and thus more 10/10 plexes. Come to think of it, the south just simply has more regions. The really deep space regions have two 10/10s in one region (Feyth, Cache IIRC, Esoteria) but then again, that's a lot deeper deep space than anywhere in the north.
At the moment, I guess Ark is the best ore to mine. This is due to the fact that for some reason, the megacyte price seems to not have been effected by the new drone regions.
Go chain some guristas though, I made 1.5b in DG loots in a few days during down times when NPCing in FLA space when we were over there. Granted I was lucky, but a single DG Cruise/HML nets you 100-150m, a DG invul nets you 350m, etc..
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Minas Reul
Dark Horizons
Red Horizon
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Out of curiosity, do peeps in general feel that every region be equal?
Personally I'm of the opinion that it makes the game much more fun if there are different valued regions as it turns the whole thing into one giant king of the hill game.
True, but it seems that some recent changes haven't been thought through very well, and as a result have made the universe a bit unbalanced.
If you look at ores like bistot, which are available in the north, they are still available in lower quantities. This, coupled with the fact that drone rats drop stuff that refines to zyd, and not mega, seems a bit odd.
There definitely should be prized regions, and reasons to fight for space, but surely they can be spread a bit more evenly around the map?
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Minas Reul
Dark Horizons
Red Horizon
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:50:00 -
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Also, as people have said, northern rats can be more profitable, epecially when compared to angels, but having a flaw that kind of matches a flaw doesn't sit right as a reason to not fix things. The north shouldn't have to primarily make isk from ratting an and the south should have to make it from mining, there can be a good mix.
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Aira Phlux
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:54:00 -
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I think the issues stated are being addressed with the enhancements to exploration and the "possible" removal of standard asteroid belts.
Time to get Electronics Upgrades 5 trained guys 
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DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Minas Reul
True, but it seems that some recent changes haven't been thought through very well, and as a result have made the universe a bit unbalanced.
If you look at ores like bistot, which are available in the north, they are still available in lower quantities. This, coupled with the fact that drone rats drop stuff that refines to zyd, and not mega, seems a bit odd.
There definitely should be prized regions, and reasons to fight for space, but surely they can be spread a bit more evenly around the map?
Yeah I dunno really, sometimes territory isn't always purely about the isk though remember.
When we were up north, we could control the whole of the north by controlling the gates of venal (ec-p8r). That security was worth alot at the time to us (in the NVA).
At the time we moved to delve, as I said above, it had potential for development as an isk rich area but fountain was the true region of supposed riches (imo, that turned out to be a white elephant). What delve did give us however was an amazing strategic position from where we could easily limit access to 3 whole regions and gave us instant access to Fountain.
For us at the time, the potential development and the security and access of the region was more important than simply iskiskiskiskisk.
I agree the recent changes haven't particularily been balanced but perhaps this is CCP's plan to create king of the hill areas rather than equal distribution much like real life.
Also, I'm not entirely sure that it makes a massive difference, all of 0.0 is populated. All of 0.0 can make masses of isk.
An example of this would be to look at where the titans were developed. 3 in the south, 3 in the east, 3 in the north. Personally that doesn't look too unbalanced unless you are in the west of eve.
dbp
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:59:00 -
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You're forgetting about the rouge drone regions. If you live in "tze North" you are 99% cetrain to be napped with the people who live there. And its still pretty empty. Ratting drones will yeald about 3x the isk from ratting Gurries and about 2x the isk from ratting Sanshas. Also you can rat drones 1 week and Gurries 1 week to get trit/pyre spawns and build bs like no tomorrow (and still make kinda good profit from selling the left-over zyd and morph).
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Royaldo
KVA Noble Inc.
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:03:00 -
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i dunno really.. the whole south/north deal is kinda..
well,.. where is the east and west?
personally, i think fountain is 1 of the best, if not the best region ingame.
good ore, cormack in local, and the rats are very easy to kill.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 17/05/2007 11:12:14
I like how different areas have different resources and relative value..
Like the constellation IAC lived in for a long time before -A- gave us their huzzah stations, completely crap resources there apart from one system with arkonor and a single 6/10 plex in another system..
Not high enough sec rating for sansha officers to spawn, so it wasn't worth the effort for someone stronger to take our space, but still better than empire, and even a single arkonor system is quite nice for a small group to mine. 
Best feature is ease of defence. Since it's a dead end constellation with a single gate you can blob to keep people out or in, and only 5 moons in the system with the complex makes it easy to keep deathstars covering every moon of our capital.
JZV constellation is a bit like australia in RISK tbh
Maybe that's why we have so many aussies.. 
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Gandolf
Gallente
Black Omega Security
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:17:00 -
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i think the ore is distributed evenly ,NPCing in the north especially Venal is better than the south i would say, as far as complex's go i think CCP made a big mistake giving delve 12 plexs while other 0.0 regions normally have 2-3 but other than that i have no complants about richer regions it makes the game more interesting , if all were the same it might make things boring.
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Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:19:00 -
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Well CCP is fixing it soon by removing all static complexes and belts.
Altho, it will kill new regions unless they make exploration much better there by that time, because now as I heard exploration in the drone regions ain't any good comparing to other regions.
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Why do you think we moved south in the first place?
Outside of crok heaven, the rest of the regions were crap from our perspective whereas delve and the surrounding areas were isk rich and had massive potential for development.
Out of curiosity, do peeps in general feel that every region be equal?
Personally I'm of the opinion that it makes the game much more fun if there are different valued regions as it turns the whole thing into one giant king of the hill game.
dbp
You have a point, but I think that it's even more amusing two watch "two kings of two hills" fighting each other, rather than one king of the hill unleashes it's fury on a little prince of the shiathole ^_^
Basicly what I'm saying is that each part of EVE galaxy (be it north, south, west and east) needs to have a "hill".
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Raznarok
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:24:00 -
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I find that Placid and Lonetrek are quite plentiful in Isk making ventures.
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JabJabVVV
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:28:00 -
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I think the drone regions kind of borked the balance, they do seem to drop insane amounts if zydrine, which seems to have devalued the north somewhat.
However I think the biggest imbalance at the moment is 0.0 compared to empire. My current preferred method of making isk is to jump clone back to empire and run a few level 4 missions, I probably don't make quite as much as ratting/mining but it's nearly as good and I don't have to watch local, I don't have to share the rats or compete with anyone and to get back to the front lines I just have to click a button and the jump clone does the rest. This doesn't seem right when I have access to what are supposedly among the most valuable regions in the game.
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eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 17/05/2007 11:44:58
Large parts of the South used to suck for ratting back when Angels were really hard to kill compared to every other kind of npc out there.
And the New Regions are far from ideal for casual isk production as you get no loot (in terms of useful modules) and NO BOUNTY from the kills so u have to scoop every can, they get it back to base, then get it refined, then get the minerals to empire for sale etc plus there are no "faction" dornes so no chance of the rare "big kill" and the roids are/were completely bugged so that mining was a non-starter.
Complexes are the worst thing in the game (aside from supercapitals and pos) and should be removed completely.
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thetwilitehour
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:44:00 -
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Lately the Gurista drop are a lot worse. Much less arbalest cruise/siege than you used to get, and the DG spawns are full of crap. In my first 2 DG spawns I got like 5x as much isk as from the last 5 (around 7 total in close to a year.) It does seem like the north got hit with the nerfbat with the new loot drop tables and the introduction of Drone Regions. I think not every region should be equal, but I think different regions should be good at different things. It'd be nice imo if the drones didnt drop so much high end minerals imo, and maybe dropped more mid range, but had realy good compression factor, making drone alloys worth more than their size in composite minerals, without wrecking the value of zydrine so totally. Also maybe slapping another region NW of Branch/Deklein
and another NW of Cloud ring/fountain would be nice, to balance out the plexes. Hopefully the new exploration belts will let ppl in any region find any ore, imo that would be much more balanced, and just have more of a skew towards certain regions being more likely to get whatever.
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Acalin
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Acalin on 17/05/2007 11:48:32
Originally by: JabJabVVV
I think the drone regions kind of borked the balance, they do seem to drop insane amounts if zydrine, which seems to have devalued the north somewhat.
The drones dont drop that insanely. http://eveinfo.com/alloy_price/ This is an old list I found, dont mind the prices and as above: no faction loot, no bounty, lots off cargo space, refining skills, tax rates, getting it "back to empire".....
Alot off ppl would prefere bounty rats with insta cash reward instead off alot off work for unknown profit (depends on market).
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.05.17 12:04:00 -
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Regions which have different content are good for Eve I think.
However I would think it a much better solution if not one region has everything in abundancy but that different regions would have a main focus for example some regions have a nice amount of complexes/high chance of exploration stuff but bad ore and rats, other regions would have excellent ore but not much else and then some other regions would have many good places to rat.
And by the way, BoB went south a bit before the south got all those complexes - just for the history record.
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Grom Gor
Absolute Guardians
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Posted - 2007.05.17 12:04:00 -
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Well then kill BoB and take their space. What's the problem? :)
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JabJabVVV
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.17 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Acalin
Comment on my post
Sorry, I didn't mean to say that drones were unbalanced for money making I meant that they seem to drop a disproportionately large amount of zydrine compared to other minerals. However my statement was based on observation (refining drone loot) and is not backed up by your table. Perhaps the imbalance is caused by people selectively targeting the most valuable rats (which drop the highest proportion of zydrine) hence the apparent imbalance.
I would suggest that the most lucrative regions at the moment (after empire level 4's) are Feythabolis and a lot of RAGoon space - many plex's which drop very valuable Gist mods and the only regions that contain significant quantities of Arkanor oh and I believe the angel rats come out top of the salvage table (alloyed tritanium bars ftw.) However regardless of whose space is the most valuable (RAGoons or BoB's) it still leaves the north/east as a poor second.
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Feke
Artic Blue
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Grom Gor
Well then kill BoB and take their space. What's the problem? :)
Because logistics are just as important as man power. BoB is established in the south while other regions are starting to feel the pinch on isk due to recent changes.
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Chirinako
Caldari
Legionari
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.17 12:27:00 -
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I'm not really in any place to comment on the Money making possibilities of every region in Eve, but one thing that strikes me as pretty obvious is that the most powerful longstanding alliances would take advantage of the better regions early on.
Hence why Bob parked themselves in Delve which is arguably the best region in eve for ores and whatnot. I don't exactly know how long RA have been around but apparently their regions are pretty hot in plexes and ores too.
Waagaa is right when he says that the south is much deeper and further from empire than the furthest reaches of branch and tenal, this might also be a reason.
I don't agree with the statement that "the south can make more isk than the north" because the amount of officer spawns you can get up there is crazy compared to down south and the drops are even crazier.
Also, if this was NOT a hit at Bob, then why is it posted in CAOD?
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Pattonator
CRICE Corporation
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.17 12:32:00 -
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First of all not sure that this thread is in the right place but I'll comment anyway.
Having lived in Tenerifis, Stain and now Deklein I can make a few comments. Tenerifis had some great availability of Crimson Ark. You could also chain quite a few triple Angel BS spawns and make a decent flow of ISk. However what we noticed is that despite similar true sec status the percentage of people whoever saw officer or faction spawns was pretty low. We had a number of people who in a year of consistent ratting in Tenerifis never saw officers and maybe only a few faction spawns. In our first days in Stain we had a ton of members who got True Sansha spawns. I don't know if this is a bug. |
Silvestri
Minmatar
FIRMA
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Posted - 2007.05.17 12:43:00 -
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seems like the next regions created will be deeper north to balance it out...good points on all fronts.
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Red Crown
Kudzu Collective
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.05.17 12:59:00 -
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Trying to condense what everyone has said...
1. The South is Deeper. Deep Cache, Detorid, Feyth/Omist/Paragon....Lower sec status, better stuff. There is just more space down here.
2. Faction Vs. Plexes : Up north, you have the Dread Guristas. Everyone knows their faction loot is worth far more than the souths, and is indeed more plentiful. Domination stuff is almost worthless for the most part sans their tackling equipment. True Sansha and Dark Blood are worth more but Angels are most plentiful. We do have plexes - but thats not making cash on an individual level.
3. Tough Vs. Easy rats : Face it, Serpentis rats are the easy. Can't say much about Guristas. But Angel and Drone rats are hard to tank and damage as far as rats go. Don't know about Sansha/Blood.
4. Drone Regions: This is why mineral prices have tanked.
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German Cyberdome Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.17 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 17/05/2007 13:08:26
Originally by: Pattonator
We had a number of people who in a year of consistent ratting in Tenerifis never saw officers and maybe only a few faction spawns. In our first days in Stain we had a ton of members who got True Sansha spawns. I don't know if this is a bug.
I'd say intended. Stain counts probably as Sanshas main region like Curse is the main region of the Angel Cartel. In Curse you can get officers and triple spawns with the highest bounty in every system, no matter of the true security level. Once in Utopia I went with my ceptor to safe to scan for hostiles and there I had Gothan Kreiss in one belt on the scanner. That's 2 jumps into 0.0.
In other regions you'll get those npcs only in systems with extremely low security level.
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Kinsy
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.05.17 13:34:00 -
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Curse isn't the only place where you'll get faction spawns at entry points. I have seen Cormack twice in D4KU.
The ridiculous amount of complexes, layout of lo-sec systems, station systems (before you could drop your own) coupled with the 15 jumps through low-sec Aridia make Delve unarguably the best place to live in Eve. However bob went down there before Blood Raiders decided to go live there and spawn 14 complexes or however many there are. Wait a sec...
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DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.17 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kinsy
Curse isn't the only place where you'll get faction spawns at entry points. I have seen Cormack twice in D4KU.
The ridiculous amount of complexes, layout of lo-sec systems, station systems (before you could drop your own) coupled with the 15 jumps through low-sec Aridia make Delve unarguably the best place to live in Eve. However bob went down there before Blood Raiders decided to go live there and spawn 14 complexes or however many there are. Wait a sec...
Actually, most of the complexes were already there. There was an additional 1 10/10 added, 2/3 6/10's and a bunch of useless low level ones (I think they were 4/10's).
Go back and check the data ccp released when they said they were adding new ones.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Feke
Artic Blue
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Chirinako
Also, if this was NOT a hit at Bob, then why is it posted in CAOD?
Because I wanted to know what everyone thought about how the current state of Eve might have been effected by what I brought up. Its a valid question and has direct connection to alliances and the way 0.0 can play out.
Think about it for a second and maybe you'll catch on.
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Fubumaki
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:10:00 -
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When you say north you mean; Tenal, Venal, Branch, Deklein, Fade, PureBlind, Tribute, Vale of the silent, Germinate.
Right?
So that would make the south; Fountain, Delve, Querious, Period Basis, Stain, Paragon Soul, Providence, Catch, Impass, Esoteria, Curse, Immensea, Tenerifis, Feythabolis, Omist, Great Wildlands, Scalding Pass, Wicked Creek, Detorid, Insmother, Cache and i also heard you mention New lands (87-1cw, lq-0qn, s-i6vu, g5kw-3, 7-kxbj, vu-wv2, 6hl8-l).
Ok so let me break out my calculator. That makes 9 regions for 'The Norf' and 27 for 'The Sowf'. Now for give me if im wrong, surely these two entitys can hardly be compaired to each other given the large size difference. Perhaps We need to look at the map a little different, possibly North/East/West/South would make more sence? If you were to look at it this way im sure you would see that the distribution of wealth a little more ballanced.
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AvanCade
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:12:00 -
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The zyd prices dropped like ppl have mentioned was due to the drone regions. However even with the drop of zyd prices other mineral prices have balanced it out and production cost remains roughly the same.
With regards to mining, i have never mined, however the npc faction spwns that drop better loot to money value are guristas.
However if you are looking to just make isks and pay for ship losses and skills, then this can be done anywhere in eve. I for one do not care for personal wealth as long as i have money to replace ships i am happy as a player.
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Feke
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:40:10
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:35:53
BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA
u r just lazy, and dont want to do anything and want to get everything. It`s doesnt work here or in RL...
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Beyond Horizon on 17/05/2007 14:15:58
Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu
Originally by: Feke
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:40:10
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:35:53
BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA
u r just lazy, and dont want to do anything and want to get everything. It`s doesnt work here or in RL...
It's a game god damn it...
Repeat after me:
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Vashi Dokumentu
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:19:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Beyond Horizon
Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu
Originally by: Feke
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:40:10
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:35:53
BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA
u r just lazy, and dont want to do anything and want to get everything. It`s doesnt work here or in RL...
It's a game god damn it...
who thinks like that - have nothing.....
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Dominixa
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:20:00 -
[41]
You should probably contact Dianabolic if your looking for tenancy. If you scratch his im sure he will scratch yours.
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:22:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu
Originally by: Beyond Horizon
Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu
Originally by: Feke
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:40:10
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:35:53
BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA
u r just lazy, and dont want to do anything and want to get everything. It`s doesnt work here or in RL...
It's a game god damn it...
who thinks like that - have nothing.....
I know I have fun, I know I don't want anything else from this game, I don't need space and I can live in npc stations np.
The most hated thing for me in this game is making isk though, that's really annoying, cause you gotta put real effort in it but in the end you get digital numbers on your wallet tab, but ofc it's not the same for people who make rl money by playing a game.....
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Vashi Dokumentu
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:27:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Beyond Horizon
Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu
Originally by: Beyond Horizon
Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu
Originally by: Feke
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:40:10
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:35:53
BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA
u r just lazy, and dont want to do anything and want to get everything. It`s doesnt work here or in RL...
It's a game god damn it...
who thinks like that - have nothing.....
I know I have fun, I know I don't want anything else from this game, I don't need space and I can live in npc stations np.
The most hated thing for me in this game is making isk though, that's really annoying, cause you gotta put real effort in it but in the end you get digital numbers on your wallet tab, but ofc it's not the same for people who make rl money by playing a game.....
another lazy person......what can i tell ya my dear, probably only one thing - u have NOTHING
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Jack Cannon
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:31:00 -
[44]
Put simply, the southern regions were designed to encourage carebares to move 40 jumps from empire. If the southern regions were like all the others... who in their right mind would live in paragon soul when you could get the same stuff anywhere?
The north is a far easier place to live with regards to logistics. I do think some areas are short changed but to say there aren't any arkanor belts in the north means 1 you don't actually live there and 2 you don't actually know what you are talking about.
There is no bob conspiracy (as much as I like my tinfoil) they just decided to take the best area in eve. If you want to either (a) join bob like the fanboi you are or (b) take it from them.
 @ this post
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Logan Williams
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:43:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Logan Williams on 17/05/2007 14:43:17
Originally by: Feke
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:40:10
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 10:35:53
First I just want to say this isn't meant as a place for people to flame so please don't. I want a genuine response from people on how they feel the things I am going to mention have effected and will continue to affect the wars that are raging on right now.
The south seemingly has an endless ability of making isk. Firstly the ore it is able to mine, namely Arkonor. Why is it that only the south gets access to these roids to mine? Reason this is an issue is because the price of Zyd, main result of Crokite, has gone from 4.5k/unit to barely 1k/unit. Crokite was and still is the main source of income second to ratting. Since the introduction of the new system in the south for dropped Zyd the prices dropped at a staggering rate to where its hardly a profit to spend time mining it anymore. But yet to counter this decline in worth CCP still has yet to provide other regions with Arkonor to spread the wealth around.
Yes giving other regions Arkonor to mine would then drop its worth and two wrongs don't make a right but something should be done to change it. Giving one region a monopoly over something while taking another region's monopoly away doesn't stand to benefit anybody.
Secondly the complexes that were farmed for months upon months for billions and billions of isk. Yes I know this was a bug but the amount of time and lack of involvement for the greater part of this by CCP allowed certain entities to take full advantage of it which most likely is still being felt today.
On top of that the south has more high isk making complexes than any other region in Eve. Why?
Last is the amount of belts per system in the south compared to other regions. This provides more places to strip mine as well as rat for isk.
This isn't directed as a BoB conspiracy theory so just don't even go there.
My sentiment is not just my own but that of several people who I have talked to from DIFFERENT regions. Ive also read other threads about this same issue but thought it should be revisited since I feel it has a direct connection with the current situation in Eve when it comes to the super powers who control certain areas.
Again if you disagree with what I have said then do it in a mature and grown up fashion and leave the flamings/trollings to a place where people actually care to hear it.
Losing my 0.0 isnt influencing this thread either. I've been wanting to post this for a long time and finally figured what the hell. I know regions get taken over on a regular basis in Eve, its part of life you could say.
<insert disclaimer?>
"This is the views of me and me alone. They're not to be linked with my Corp or Alliance in any way."
These are MY statements and not the feelings of my corp or alliance......
I'm originally from the southers area of EvE and all I can muster to say is.......STOP YOUR WHINING.
*CRY* The south has arkonor and megacyte has kept it's value better
*RESPONSE* Why weren't you crying when Zyd was so expensive? What's that, because the sheer amounts of Zyd the north could mine far outweighed the combined amounts of Zyd+mega that the south could? Awwww, poo poo.....deal with it.
*SNIVEL* The south's complexes were bugged, they made billions.
*RESPONSE* North complexes were bugged too. Had you have shown someone from the south a complex that allowed you in without taking your keys, they may have been jealous of you.
*WHINE* Give other regions Arkonor to mine and drop it's worth
*RESPONSE* You're just as homeless as I currently am, move.
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Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.05.17 15:04:00 -
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:newsflash:
this is not an accident, the point is to make some regions more valuable. Meaning; if you want delve, come get it.
The diversity is ment to start conflicts so even if there is enough 0,0 for everyone, some place is always in demand.
Think of it as king of the hill.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.17 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Princess Jodi on 17/05/2007 15:20:29
The reason Megacyte prices have remained stable is because you don't get much of it from Drone compounds. A recent refine of Drone loot got me 6k Megacyte but 31k Zydrine.
Yes, the Drone regions are the cause of the Zyd market crash. But we sure had fun for the first 3 months...Each rat was dropping 3-5 mill worth of minerals before the price crash.
Oh, and Drone regions the reason for Morphite price crash too. Lots of Morphite in the Rogue Drone compounds.
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Space Hog
NEW DAWN CO
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2007.05.17 16:29:00 -
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I have heard that if you hit CTRL + Q it makes arknor spawn for you. See if that fixes the ore issue. It also has been known to fix Recent Performance Issues. FIXIT had a suggestion along these lines.
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Posted - 2007.05.17 16:35:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Feke
Originally by: Abn Matar
Stuff
The opposite of North.
Htron? 
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Grim Faust
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 16:37:00 -
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Everything is becoming randomized so it doesn't really matter. Belts and complexes are the key to making ISK in 0.0. With the upcoming changes of belts as well as complexes being random occurences, we'll no longer be looking at space as a static map of resources. The complex change is coming soon, which is great. But the removal of static belts is still something they probably won't have in for quite some time.
The changes are nice , however if they're doing it for a sense of balance they're a bit late for that. I personally look forward to the changes since 0.0 will take on a whole new aspect of exploration and add a lot of dynamics.
As to what you posted, Logan Williams, all I'm going to say is: Did someone pee in your cornflakes?
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Gardiner
Minmatar
Kurai-Komichi
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.17 16:51:00 -
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Rawr i dont speak as IAC dude, but as X SE X SA X Kurai....
You northern groups are a bunch of Naping Mofo's lol
Since day 1 the south is war zone and this is where all the action is.. So u speak of alliances whoring complexes and still feel it today?
lol i knew dudes from G alliance and others and all they ever done was alliance and corp scale complex whoring for faction bs bpc's and mods.. with no war on ur ass u guys should still be feeling the wealth.
99% of dudes in North couldn't lead a fleet anyways lol no wars = no experience = u be pwnt
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Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 17:04:00 -
[52]
Well if I am in the south how come my region does not have Arkonor, or Crokite, or Bistot.. or umm.. anything really better than mining scordite right now? I demand more ore!
Mean asteroids.
Actually, keep your rocks. I hate mining :)
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Feke
Artic Blue
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 17:09:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Feke on 17/05/2007 17:09:00
Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu
Originally by: Feke
u r just lazy, and dont want to do anything and want to get everything. It`s doesnt work here or in RL...
Actually its not the case genius. I can put in 10 hours of work and get say 100mil in the North. But I went to the South I could get 300mil for the same amount of work. (Just throwing out numbers dont quote me like the idiot you show to be) How is that being lazy?
Originally by: Jack Cannon
The north is a far easier place to live with regards to logistics. I do think some areas are short changed but to say there aren't any arkanor belts in the north means 1 you don't actually live there and 2 you don't actually know what you are talking about.
There is no bob conspiracy (as much as I like my tinfoil) they just decided to take the best area in eve. If you want to either (a) join bob like the fanboi you are or (b) take it from them.
@ this post
Sure I'll accept the fact the North is easier to live in due to being closer to empire. Where exactly are the Arkonor in the North? Maybe everyone I've spoken to, and the residence from the south who have posted in this thread saying that no, there is NO Arkonor in the North or all idiots.....Or maybe you are?
I never said there was a BoB conspiracy when it comes to the south and if you'll read my original post it clearly states that. But then again judging by your immature and moronic comments I'll just take it that you're not capable of realising that. And how on Earth does bring this subject up mean that I am a Bob fanboi? If anything it would suggest that I didn't like BoB because I feel that had an unfair advantage.
Originally by: Logan Williams
(Cut to save room)
Insert: stupid comment trying to poke fun and talk **** on someone but failing horribly at it.
This wasn't a whining post. It was supposed to be a discussion about the distribution of wealth in eve and to gain the view points of others as to the viability of it being an issue. NOTHING more and NOTHING less. Simple isnt it? But yet you have to bring the ******** 4 year old comments into it. Good job you fail at life. Why is it so hard for people to be civil and act their own age?
I ask again for the little kiddies to keep the flaming to another area.
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Grim Faust
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 17:12:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Gardiner
Rawr i dont speak as IAC dude, but as X SE X SA X Kurai....
You northern groups are a bunch of Naping Mofo's lol
Since day 1 the south is war zone and this is where all the action is.. So u speak of alliances whoring complexes and still feel it today?
lol i knew dudes from G alliance and others and all they ever done was alliance and corp scale complex whoring for faction bs bpc's and mods.. with no war on ur ass u guys should still be feeling the wealth.
99% of dudes in North couldn't lead a fleet anyways lol no wars = no experience = u be pwnt
You couldn't be farther from the truth. Well, ok, I can only speak for FLA/Deklein on this but for the past god knows how long there's always been someone in our space at war with us. I wish it was as quiet as everyone claims they think they know, but really dont. Our area is quite filled with pirates, well at least it was until the war started. Namely Tri and I'm sure everyone knows they aren't pushovers. We also had other groups such as the priory and even Burn Eden kicking around here.
I know the major entities up North are in the majority friendly to one another, but there was rarely ever a day where we didn't have to setup a fleet to protect our space from glory hounds and pirates stirring up trouble.We border quite a few NPC stations and just as everyone knows, those attract trouble. I'm sure even BoB knows the effects of open stations so close to home. Although I doubt many venture to go gang up in BoB space because, well, it's BoB's space.
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The Beatnuts
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.17 17:20:00 -
[55]
What's a complex?
/omee
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Phaethon Prime
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.05.17 18:01:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Grim Faust
Originally by: Gardiner
Rawr i dont speak as IAC dude, but as X SE X SA X Kurai....
You northern groups are a bunch of Naping Mofo's lol
Since day 1 the south is war zone and this is where all the action is.. So u speak of alliances whoring complexes and still feel it today?
lol i knew dudes from G alliance and others and all they ever done was alliance and corp scale complex whoring for faction bs bpc's and mods.. with no war on ur ass u guys should still be feeling the wealth.
99% of dudes in North couldn't lead a fleet anyways lol no wars = no experience = u be pwnt
You couldn't be farther from the truth. Well, ok, I can only speak for FLA/Deklein on this but for the past god knows how long there's always been someone in our space at war with us. I wish it was as quiet as everyone claims they think they know, but really dont. Our area is quite filled with pirates, well at least it was until the war started. Namely Tri and I'm sure everyone knows they aren't pushovers. We also had other groups such as the priory and even Burn Eden kicking around here.
I know the major entities up North are in the majority friendly to one another, but there was rarely ever a day where we didn't have to setup a fleet to protect our space from glory hounds and pirates stirring up trouble.We border quite a few NPC stations and just as everyone knows, those attract trouble. I'm sure even BoB knows the effects of open stations so close to home. Although I doubt many venture to go gang up in BoB space because, well, it's BoB's space.
Not to be unkind, but you illustrated the difference right there. Sure, every region in the game is going to have some roving gangs, some gankers, some campers. But the scale and intensity of combat in the south over the last year is just on a different level than you describe. The LV/KOS/V/CHIMP/Etc vs. RA/Etc conflict insured that there were always fleet battles going on, there were always POS attack/defense ops going on, there were always stations (friendly or unfriendly) under threat. The amount and type of training people got from those constant operations both instilled a basic level of strategic-pvp-competence in most everyone who participated and also was a mill for turning out quality FCs.
There is a reason that the southern theater has been relatively deadlocked while the northern forces have (to date) been rolled backwards at a decent clip.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.05.17 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Doddy on 17/05/2007 18:08:57
Originally by: Pattonator
First of all not sure that this thread is in the right place but I'll comment anyway.
Having lived in Tenerifis, Stain and now Deklein I can make a few comments. Tenerifis had some great availability of Crimson Ark. You could also chain quite a few triple Angel BS spawns and make a decent flow of ISk. However what we noticed is that despite similar true sec status the percentage of people whoever saw officer or faction spawns was pretty low. We had a number of people who in a year of consistent ratting in Tenerifis never saw officers and maybe only a few faction spawns. In our first days in Stain we had a ton of members who got True Sansha spawns. I don't know if this is a bug.
Officer spawn rates are higher in the npc fctions home region (in this case stain) I have had 4 officers in my time, all 4 were in -0.01 true sec (should be crap), 3 of these were in fountain, one in stain. Been living in esoteria 6 months now and no one in my corp has had one yet  To keep this on topic, i live in "the south" and i dont get ark! should i petition?
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Grim Faust
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 18:18:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Phaethon Prime
Not to be unkind, but you illustrated the difference right there. Sure, every region in the game is going to have some roving gangs, some gankers, some campers. But the scale and intensity of combat in the south over the last year is just on a different level than you describe. The LV/KOS/V/CHIMP/Etc vs. RA/Etc conflict insured that there were always fleet battles going on, there were always POS attack/defense ops going on, there were always stations (friendly or unfriendly) under threat. The amount and type of training people got from those constant operations both instilled a basic level of strategic-pvp-competence in most everyone who participated and also was a mill for turning out quality FCs.
There is a reason that the southern theater has been relatively deadlocked while the northern forces have (to date) been rolled backwards at a decent clip.
The northern forces that have lost space are (to date) FLA and IRON. Being that IRON gave up their stations without a fight, doesn't leave much room there to talk about losses. That would leave FLA. (Of the 2 groups that have lost space) Like I noted, we've always had someone fighting against us. We're not only part of the gateway to the north, but we also neighbour one of the bigger pirated areas in the game. Our area is not the cakewalk everyone thinks it is. Why do you think FLA put up such a fight with MC and friends? Once again, I'm speaking of the Deklein area because I've never really left it due to the fact that we've almost constantly been on the defensive and needed combat pilots.
No, there isn't a comparison though to the North and South in regards to combat. I wasn't even speaking of the south either so I'm not sure why you brought that up. This is one of those age old subjects though and the only real truth that comes from it is that no one knows aside the people that live where they live.
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Morris Falter
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.17 18:42:00 -
[59]
I heard that the north's exploration opportunities weren't being exploited properly.. no idea if that's true or not.. just something on the grapevine.
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Grim Faust
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 18:46:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Kye Kenshin
Lol, the North enjoyed a very long period of stability (longer then was healthy) and high zyd prices so stop crying.
I had 2 covetor's and 3 retrievers. Funny enough if I took a different one out for every time I mined over the course of the year or so we were in Deklein, I would never have used them all. Not everyone in the north was a carebearing miner. I'm sure it's not hard to understand that mining is quite simply boring for a lot of us.
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Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2007.05.17 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Morris Falter
I heard that the north's exploration opportunities weren't being exploited properly.. no idea if that's true or not.. just something on the grapevine.
I have to agree with this. We have already seen Standard Exile Booster (armor tanking) come from the South and become widely available to the EvE population, but we are yet to see Blue pill boosters (shield tanking) come out of Vale of the Silent yet.
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Kye Kenshin
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.17 22:09:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Grim Faust
Originally by: Kye Kenshin
Lol, the North enjoyed a very long period of stability (longer then was healthy) and high zyd prices so stop crying.
I had 2 covetor's and 3 retrievers. Funny enough if I took a different one out for every time I mined over the course of the year or so we were in Deklein, I would never have used them all. Not everyone in the north was a carebearing miner. I'm sure it's not hard to understand that mining is quite simply boring for a lot of us.
The OP was complaining that the north had crap ore compared to the south just because Crok isnt worth what it was and Ark now is due to mega being more profitable.
So my post was aimed naturally at the miners and I know FLA didn't get much time to mine due to having to fight Beagle Corp raids nightly Heheheh!
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Grim Faust
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 22:35:00 -
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The reason the zydrine market died is because of those silly new regions. I fully expect the market to return to normal in due time. It's all about supply and demand. If Zydrine continues to be in huge supply, the price will drop until people wont gather it because it won't be worth the time. As we all know, time is money. So if people stop selling and start farming something else it will slowly rise again in price. If it stays down however, then oh well, we can't do much about people willing to work cheaper than what used to be the comfortable margin.
It does however start to make things seem a bit skewed though. I mean, if the north is severely lacking in top-end megacyte producing ores, then yeah, position will mean a lot more than it ever did. It kind of sucks though that this new market trend and it's effects on 0.0 alliances was trashed by some crumby regions off in the east producing way too many minerals.
In a sense, maybe the south is worth more. It wasn't really an issue before though but the only we people can blame now is CCP for giving us a new zydrine-rich enviroment. A lot of the north used zydrine as it's majority of income, sure, because it was the most expensive thing you could find and it was quite abundant. Not likely it was more abundant than in the south though due to the south being massive and having more space. Now however the north's main source of income has been drastically dropped. So I can see why some people may see it as unfair. Still though, it's no reason to talk about the south in my opinion, the south didn't change at all, CCP just added something without thinking of the cascading effects.
So there you have it, the shift in the regional space value is thanks to CCP's new implementation of the drone regions. Blame them. There's not much else you can do.
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Elad Dranoel
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.18 03:25:00 -
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It's great living in carebear land. Jealous?
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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.18 04:07:00 -
[65]
what? what? so u are saying i can get rich in the north if i would just dust of my looted covetor?
O M G !
what roid has ark or bist in it ?? throw me a bone here ppl!
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jatkot
Caldari
S-44
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.05.18 05:38:00 -
[66]
Edited by: jatkot on 18/05/2007 05:35:52
Originally by: Blacklight
I still miss BKG
You mean BurgerKinG?
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ishkabibble
Gallente
AJAX Puppy Grinding Company
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Posted - 2007.05.18 05:42:00 -
[67]
Edited by: ishkabibble on 18/05/2007 05:40:02
Originally by: Sacul
what? what? so u are saying i can get rich in the north if i would just dust of my looted covetor?
O M G !
what roid has ark or bist in it ?? throw me a bone here ppl!
OMG thats too funny
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Darwin With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.05.18 05:53:00 -
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I was PVP trained in the south, along with 90% of the people i fly with, the south is basically a constant warzone which breeds better PVPers, its as simple as that.
Myself and my ladz have gone to the north and joined alliances from time to time, but we continue to go back to the south, for 1 main reason, the north isn't pvp land, its nap land.
There also seems to be a different mentality up there, In the south for instance if your being invaded or something kicks off bigstyle, you fight to the last man and last ship doing anything you can to hold on, in the north however, they seem to fight until a certain point, then just roll over.
This proberbly stems from the fact that its always basicallt the same people/corps in the north, and after every big war and the "Northern block" is defeated, the enemies wander off and the same old peeps just create a new set of alliances and start again lol.
In the north you can always start over again, in the south you get *****slapped and you KNOW that they've beaten you.
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Caldari
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.05.18 07:08:00 -
[69]
I can't believe I've actually found a thread in CAOD worth reading.
Kudos to the op and most of the replies (except mine).
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Anikadir
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.05.18 07:52:00 -
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The South? Last time I was there (a couple of weeks back courtesy of a jump clone), the place was a virtual wasteland as far as ratters and miners go. Heck I managed to go a grand total of 25+ jumps before I even had a chance to get podded and sent home - got bored by that stage and just wanted to go home
Check the maps and see how few peeps live down there. Even during prime the blobs are tiny. 
Oh and on the subject of zyd, et al pricing...thank the drones. A week of "mining" Drone Queens, Controllers, etc will easily yield 300k+ of zyd (couple of hours a night without breaking a sweat). You know something is borked when folks get excited over finding NPC haulers full of Trit and Mex!!
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TrippyX
Caldari
The Syndicate Inc
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.05.18 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Anikadir
The South? Last time I was there (a couple of weeks back courtesy of a jump clone), the place was a virtual wasteland as far as ratters and miners go. Heck I managed to go a grand total of 25+ jumps before I even had a chance to get podded and sent home - got bored by that stage and just wanted to go home
Check the maps and see how few peeps live down there. Even during prime the blobs are tiny.
Oh and on the subject of zyd, et al pricing...thank the drones. A week of "mining" Drone Queens, Controllers, etc will easily yield 300k+ of zyd (couple of hours a night without breaking a sweat). You know something is borked when folks get excited over finding NPC haulers full of Trit and Mex!!
It's the void that ASCN left behind there after folding. Back in the days AZN always had a decent ammount of people in local, atm it's a ghosttown.
As for OP, What's the use of having Ark roids if you can't mine them cause you're involved in constant warfare?
The south does have better roids but they also have Angels with their hard hitting Machariels and crappy officer/faction spawnrate.
The north has their Dread Guristas but also the crappy roids.
The east has Fountain and Delve with their plenty of plexes, but they also have BoB, which i think is the biggest flaw in the game atm.
The west, Never been there really, Goons and RA be there..
New Regions got their BS's with the Morphite/Zydrine drops.. but ratting there is just pure hell, no Bounty, must have a hauler character to haul the drops. And after getting the **** to station you must refine it and then try and sell it.. cause tbh.. trying to sell Zyd in a Zyd riche area is impossible.
All regions have their Pro's and Con's.. some maybe more then others but in the end it's all better then empire.. cause in empire the biggest spawns you see are BC's (in low sec that is) and if you're in low sec you got pirates  YARR!! and for mining... you can mine giant secure cans maybe..
We must be glad we're in 0.0 and got a chance to get an officer spawn, and got the abbility to mine high-ends and to get BS spawns.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.18 09:30:00 -
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What the heck is the op talking about? RZR got prime arkonor in two of our five station systems in Tenal.
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Entilzah Valen
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.18 17:30:00 -
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What Cartiff said.
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Ralara
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.18 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: TrippyX
Originally by: Anikadir
The South? Last time I was there (a couple of weeks back courtesy of a jump clone), the place was a virtual wasteland as far as ratters and miners go. Heck I managed to go a grand total of 25+ jumps before I even had a chance to get podded and sent home - got bored by that stage and just wanted to go home
Check the maps and see how few peeps live down there. Even during prime the blobs are tiny.
Oh and on the subject of zyd, et al pricing...thank the drones. A week of "mining" Drone Queens, Controllers, etc will easily yield 300k+ of zyd (couple of hours a night without breaking a sweat). You know something is borked when folks get excited over finding NPC haulers full of Trit and Mex!!
It's the void that ASCN left behind there after folding. Back in the days AZN always had a decent ammount of people in local, atm it's a ghosttown.
As for OP, What's the use of having Ark roids if you can't mine them cause you're involved in constant warfare?
The south does have better roids but they also have Angels with their hard hitting Machariels and crappy officer/faction spawnrate.
The north has their Dread Guristas but also the crappy roids.
The east has Fountain and Delve with their plenty of plexes, but they also have BoB, which i think is the biggest flaw in the game atm.
The west, Never been there really, Goons and RA be there..
New Regions got their BS's with the Morphite/Zydrine drops.. but ratting there is just pure hell, no Bounty, must have a hauler character to haul the drops. And after getting the **** to station you must refine it and then try and sell it.. cause tbh.. trying to sell Zyd in a Zyd riche area is impossible.
All regions have their Pro's and Con's.. some maybe more then others but in the end it's all better then empire.. cause in empire the biggest spawns you see are BC's (in low sec that is) and if you're in low sec you got pirates YARR!! and for mining... you can mine giant secure cans maybe..
We must be glad we're in 0.0 and got a chance to get an officer spawn, and got the abbility to mine high-ends and to get BS spawns.
I think you got east and west mixed up.
"West is left"
Err unless you have the map unflattened and are looking at it the wrong way around :D
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.18 18:26:00 -
[75]
Edited by: General Apocalypse on 18/05/2007 18:24:06
The South might be richer (don't know for shure never been in the north) but the logistical suply lines and Angel / Sansha mix makes it a pvper forge
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Galavet
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.18 18:34:00 -
[76]
Venal = Baltic Ave
Delve = Boardwalk
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King Fury
Caldari
Fury Corp.
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Posted - 2007.05.18 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: King Fury on 18/05/2007 20:53:07
Originally by: Galavet
Venal = Baltic Ave
Delve = Boardwalk
Is Baltic Ave like Old Kent Road? ie ****hole?
oh and nice sig, shame they killed him off
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Logan Williams
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.21 11:06:00 -
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To answer the first question to me, Yes, someone pee'd in my cornflakes.
I'm so mean for "flaming" the OP. No, just a bit of reality check really.
Of every system I've ever seen in the South, U3K is quite possibly in the top 10. "23" (some of course don't exist except off-grid) belts of Prime Arkonor. I mined it a bit with my industry acct and then got the chance to go North.
I couldn't believe it. The North had (then) relatively secure mining/NPC'ing, richer ore, and better (easier) NPC's. It was a picnic.
I'm not a great or even outstandingly above average at PvP but, Cartiff and one or two others were right. "The South breeds better PvP." even pirates in the north are nicer.
South pirates = "Kick them when they're down and worry about consenquence later."
North Pirates = "Let's help them defend so we can go back to business as usual later."
South vs. North as far as living is like Death Valley and North being akin to......Sunny Florida.
Perhaps I shouldn't have used quite the tone I did but, when someone comes to the forums claiming discussion and kicking off with "How the South is stacked for isk", it's really a lie. That's NOT the start of a discussion, it's the start of a "We were beaten because our regions sucked" gripe session.
Fair is fair, and yeah, the North kind of sucks now but don't use that as the kick-off for some "BoB and co. have better regions conspiracy" or add it to the "Reasons I hate BoB and co." list. BoB and co. are arrogant and at one point, maybe had some "members" that were a little over-zealous but, in a "world" where the "constant" of NPC income has become more attractive than mining the North has benefitted just as much as anyone else has.
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