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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.19 23:43:00 -
[61]
Titans are useless. Demand your ISK back. 
Seriously. It's been told many times over. When the going gets tough, it's always the leaders under pressure that will continue to tell their members to keep on sacrificing while all along securing their own assets in preparation for the afterlife.
Ask yourself, are these leaders on the front lines sacrificing their own assets or are they just good for a speech and a quick ban? When you answer those questions honestly, then you will know itÆs worth donating to the Corp found or not.
The truth will set you free
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Shinigami
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.19 23:57:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Shinigami on 19/05/2007 23:55:35
This was posted on the FoH forums.
Perhaps this website can help you goons with your debts.
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Help reduce lag in eve by supporting the Titans.
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Celestal
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Posted - 2007.05.20 00:03:00 -
[63]
You guys do realise that the op is a bob alt stirring it up ?
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Draekas Darkwater
Sanctum Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.20 00:17:00 -
[64]
 Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd
Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 19/05/2007 22:49:24
While we'd like to thank the thread starter for the chuckles, and we hate to interrupt the weekly-scheduled "goons are dead/lost/broke/amoral/INTERNET" thread, a little background may help here.
Here's another post by the same person, implying that they're in BoB at the time:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=518418&page=4#108
Screenshotted for when they edit it:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted1.jpg
And here's one where the same person is claiming to be in -V-:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=461617&page=3#63
And the screenshot for the post-edit:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted2.jpg
Conclusions? Who knows? As far as I can tell, this person is just a bad troll. The "argument" put forth in the original post makes it clear (at least to us) that this is either an awful troll by an errant member of GS or someone in another alliance.
Anyway, continue with your "goons are dead/lost/broke/RA SLAVES!/amoral/INTERNET" whatever thread I guess. I won't be responding to any posts or questions because the stink of this place gives me the creeps, and I'm busy at work anyway.
LOL Almost as good of a knockout blow as watching Cro Cop getting droped with a head kick in UFC 70. 
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Lex Dei
Galactic Knights
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Posted - 2007.05.20 00:48:00 -
[65]
I liked how the two BoB characters that posted in here ignored the fact that the OP was a fellow BoB troll/spy trying to play the propaganda/PR game. Given various BoB corps' standing records in omitting "certain kinds of killmails", I'm not the least surprised. Eagerly awaiting similar alt posts describing crises in D2, RA, RAZOR, TCF, etc.
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.20 01:28:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd
Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 19/05/2007 22:49:24
While we'd like to thank the thread starter for the chuckles, and we hate to interrupt the weekly-scheduled "goons are dead/lost/broke/amoral/INTERNET" thread, a little background may help here.
Here's another post by the same person, implying that they're in BoB at the time:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=518418&page=4#108
Screenshotted for when they edit it:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted1.jpg
And here's one where the same person is claiming to be in -V-:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=461617&page=3#63
And the screenshot for the post-edit:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted2.jpg
Conclusions? Who knows? As far as I can tell, this person is just a bad troll. The "argument" put forth in the original post makes it clear (at least to us) that this is either an awful troll by an errant member of GS or someone in another alliance.
Anyway, continue with your "goons are dead/lost/broke/RA SLAVES!/amoral/INTERNET" whatever thread I guess. I won't be responding to any posts or questions because the stink of this place gives me the creeps, and I'm busy at work anyway.
And i thought you guys whre gonna divert attention 
Seems that alts are popular this days
Thank You SkyFlyer |
Sixtyniner
5th Avenue
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Posted - 2007.05.20 02:10:00 -
[67]
Trust of course. What good is a Titan if no one in the corp can trust the leader or boar dof directors? They¦ll have no support from the members, that¦s just bad. Just proves my view on being in an alliance; you¦re just one of their toysoldiers, they don¦t care.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.05.20 02:28:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
Edited by: Sigiryavrusu on 19/05/2007 11:25:06
I am posting on my alt, ...
Hi there, Sir Molle 
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KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.20 06:57:00 -
[69]
Edited by: KIATolon on 20/05/2007 06:58:56
Edited by: KIATolon on 20/05/2007 06:56:19
Thats not molle, the OP was literate.
However, the fact remains that the OP has no understanding of GS.
Remedial and I are going to take the titan fund ISK and spend all of it creating a huge arena where we partake in a RL battle for a large ham.
This is beyond any of GS wildest dreams and the members would gladly sell their accounts for ISK to ensure it happens.
Also you're a coward.
If you have something to say, say it and be accountable.
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Runar Hawk
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Posted - 2007.05.20 07:05:00 -
[70]
yes, I would gladly give all or most of my eve assets to see tolon and rem RL fight over ham
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.05.20 07:05:00 -
[71]
I will gladly give all of my EVE assets to see Remedial and Tolon RL fight over ham.
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KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.20 07:07:00 -
[72]
lol
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Aldari Verve
Black Omega Security
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.20 07:14:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Aldari Verve on 20/05/2007 07:12:30
HEY i like ham too. I'm not as "big Boned" as Tolon or Remedial. I'm rather skinny so i'll just take the scraps that fly off as they fight ...hehehe. Little guys gotta eat too.
*donates to the rl hamfest fund
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.20 07:29:00 -
[74]
Originally by: KIATolon
However, the fact remains that the OP has no understanding of GS.
I think I pointed that out on the last page.
The question is, however, is he telling the truth?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.20 07:54:00 -
[75]
GS is a beast that is a beast that will be hard to kill
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.05.20 08:44:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Laboratus on 20/05/2007 08:42:26
Originally by: Metal Dude
Seriously. It's been told many times over. When the going gets tough, it's always the leaders under pressure that will continue to tell their members to keep on sacrificing while all along securing their own assets in preparation for the afterlife.
Ask yourself, are these leaders on the front lines sacrificing their own assets or are they just good for a speech and a quick ban? When you answer those questions honestly, then you will know it’s worth donating to the Corp found or not.
You do realise, it's the leaders who most often bear the most stress and burn out at some point.
Grunts have it pretty easy. They don't need to coordinate, manage diplomacy, finance, residents, strategical planning etc etc etc.
Grunts just log in, and do what is fun. Play the game, the most exciting bits.
Otherwise, nice propaganda.
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P.S.
Post with your main.
Mind control and tin hats |
Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.20 09:13:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Laboratus
Otherwise, nice propaganda.
You should get in to politics, your evasion skills are superb.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.20 09:52:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Not a bad idea, surely, but it seems to me that it violates their entire "its just an internet spaceships game" motto.
It doesn't make much sense to me.
They want to win EVE with their non-serious relaxed fun style against the overly serious vets by any means, no matter what it costs.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.05.20 10:18:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Avon
You should get in to politics, your evasion skills are superb.
Can't. I just have no patience for people who torpedo sensible propositions only because they happen to belong to the wrong party. Or try to propose popular, but irrational stuff only to make the other side look bad, since they have no option but to oppose it, unless they want to be stuck with the irrational stuff.
Well, no patience for politics in general.
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P.S.
Post with your main.
Mind control and tin hats |
000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.05.20 10:25:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
My character has been suspended from posting a couple of times already on my corp's forum because I spoke out about this on there.
Now that line alone should tell u enough, as soon as the higher ups get too arrogant and won't allow people thei opinions u know it's time to get out. If u have your stuff in an outpost or station owned by your corp/alliance i would get my stuff out of there asap and into a standard npc station before it all goes pop.
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
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whopper
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.20 11:36:00 -
[81]
This:
"I am posting on my alt, because I am pretty sure I will be banned from my corp if I post this on my main."
and this:
"I lent 2 billion isk, if I leave GF will I ever see that again?" doesnt match.
how many ppl do you think gave 2b ? 3 or 4 ? how fast would this char get nailed down if it would be true ?
better luck next time.
.whopper
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BluOrange
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.20 13:06:00 -
[82]
Personally, I keep my promises.
Regarding your specific situation - you're the one in that situation, not me.
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Alley Cat
Gallente
High4Life
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.20 13:36:00 -
[83]
If the majority of the corp gave isk then you guys go on strike. How can the corp make money with you guys not doing anything? Damand your isk back if they say no threaten them with the corp not making any isk while you twirl your ship around in the station. If they still dont give in POD there ass, if they give in then your ass gets back to work! Your a alliance slave m8. Fight for your rights!!
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.05.20 14:34:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
I am posting on my alt, because I am pretty sure I will be banned from my corp if I post this on my main.
But you've been so vocal about this in other places, it can't be hard to put two and two together. I'm no detective but I'd guess you're "Fkin" from SA (Shadako on goonfleet.com) based on your posts here and in the Goonfleet Apoclaypse edition thread on SA.
That isk is earmarked for a titan and your alliance has had financial difficulties lately that were unforseen when the fund started. Either you choose to trust that your alliance leaders will eventually pay the isk back or you declare that 2 billion isk is lost, those are your only choices. Whether or not they can build that titan safely is one matter, but you chose to invest and all investments carry risk. Most publicly funded shares would delay payments in cases like these too, and have done in the past. Have some patience, I guess.
Personally, if I were facing financial hardship with my business (which uses publicly invested isk) and knew I couldn't pay out dividends for a few months, I'd probably liquidate and pay out what was left to investors. But that's not the issue here, these are apparantly War Bonds, which shouldn't be required to be repaid until after the war is over since the isk is still needed.
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
PDoggy
Minmatar
Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.20 20:54:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd
Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 19/05/2007 22:49:24
While we'd like to thank the thread starter for the chuckles, and we hate to interrupt the weekly-scheduled "goons are dead/lost/broke/amoral/INTERNET" thread, a little background may help here.
Here's another post by the same person, implying that they're in BoB at the time:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=518418&page=4#108
Screenshotted for when they edit it:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted1.jpg
And here's one where the same person is claiming to be in -V-:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=461617&page=3#63
And the screenshot for the post-edit:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted2.jpg
Conclusions? Who knows? As far as I can tell, this person is just a bad troll. The "argument" put forth in the original post makes it clear (at least to us) that this is either an awful troll by an errant member of GS or someone in another alliance.
Anyway, continue with your "goons are dead/lost/broke/RA SLAVES!/amoral/INTERNET" whatever thread I guess. I won't be responding to any posts or questions because the stink of this place gives me the creeps, and I'm busy at work anyway.
quoting because lol
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Wait for your email, do not put it back - Ductoris |
Kronius
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Posted - 2007.05.20 21:28:00 -
[86]
lolling at this
Don't worry EVE-O pub^h^h^h warriors, the Goonfleet public forums will go live soon and all you bob-alts can try your pathetic diversion attempts there.
The mockery shall bee epic.
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Adaris
Dark and Light inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.20 21:40:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
Edited by: Sigiryavrusu on 19/05/2007 11:25:06
I am posting on my alt, because I am pretty sure I will be banned from my corp if I post this on my main. My character has been suspended from posting a couple of times already on my corp's forum because I spoke out about this on there.
My alliance called a while ago for warbonds. We would lend them money to go towards our fight against BoB, and we would get it back plus I think it was 15% interest. The deadline for payback was several weeks ago now, and despite being late our leaders still promised to pay us back, albeit late.
Now the leaders have told us that, actually, we're broke, unable to protect the space we are losing, and the roughly 30 billion of warbonds cannot be repaid in the forseeable future.
But, we have a Titan fund, which has more than 40 billion in it currently. We could dip into that to pay people back, but The Mittani (our leader) refuses to do that because, well, they really want a Titan.
I just wonder what the general perspective is amongst everyone else. If you ran a corp, and this situation occured, would you pay back the people who lent money, and put the Titan on standby, or blindly ignore the lenders and set the Titan as the important project?
Some of us have forgiven the debt, but our leader's attitude doesn't sit well with me, and I can't really bring myself to forgive the debt. But if the general concensus is that the Titan is more important, then maybe that will sway me.
If your corp told its members to give the isk to raise funds for your alliance in a way that if you refused you would be kicked out or shunned then I believe that your corp is crap. Simple. Because they pushed you into lending the isk they have the responsibility to make sure you get it back (if that was part of the agreement). Not giving you the titan isk is crap, thats you money because they told you to give them (alliance) your isk and assured you you'd get it back.
If they didn't pressurize you into giving your isk to alliance then its just your fault man. Its a risk you took. And that 40 bil isn't to be put back into your pocket (and your fellow corp mates)...
I hope your corp is crap so that it means you deserve the isk back.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZ0j7vtKEQ
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CaptainGordon
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Posted - 2007.05.21 03:20:00 -
[88]
Send more BoB alts
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ForumPosterAlt
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Posted - 2007.05.21 03:25:00 -
[89]
0.0 is a fking joke now anyways.
CCP's vision of how capitals would make sovereignty awesome and whatever, complete failure.
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Sabahl
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 10:42:00 -
[90]
This thread is illegal, parked on adouble yellow line, and should be towed away.
But in the meantime, here's a few tips
1) Never lend anyone anything you can't afford to lose, unless you know where they live and are pretty sure you can beat them up in a fight
2) War bonds are only useful if you are sure you will win the war. You can only win a war if you fight, not pack up and cede territory when things get tough. Tactical withdrawels? Well, that's what your leadership appears to have done from your war fund so they can make a big booom ship that they're also in the process of getting nerfed.
3) Either way, you don't come whining on here about your internal problems because all you will get are a load of giggles from the stalls. So, you corp is having funding issues in a war that they can't afford to wage? So what? It's happened countless times over the years and, with hardly an exception, has ultimately led to a complete breakdown in the alliance, corp or rough gang of friends who have been playing the game. But the fact is, the rest of us don't care. We'll read your alliance's obituary later, thank you.
In the meantime, go out and grab some more isk mining or something. Sounds like you need it.
Poor bard, I must give you a cookie!- Tirg |
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