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Sigiryavrusu
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sigiryavrusu on 19/05/2007 11:25:06
I am posting on my alt, because I am pretty sure I will be banned from my corp if I post this on my main. My character has been suspended from posting a couple of times already on my corp's forum because I spoke out about this on there.
My alliance called a while ago for warbonds. We would lend them money to go towards our fight against BoB, and we would get it back plus I think it was 15% interest. The deadline for payback was several weeks ago now, and despite being late our leaders still promised to pay us back, albeit late.
Now the leaders have told us that, actually, we're broke, unable to protect the space we are losing, and the roughly 30 billion of warbonds cannot be repaid in the forseeable future.
But, we have a Titan fund, which has more than 40 billion in it currently. We could dip into that to pay people back, but The Mittani (our leader) refuses to do that because, well, they really want a Titan.
I just wonder what the general perspective is amongst everyone else. If you ran a corp, and this situation occured, would you pay back the people who lent money, and put the Titan on standby, or blindly ignore the lenders and set the Titan as the important project?
Some of us have forgiven the debt, but our leader's attitude doesn't sit well with me, and I can't really bring myself to forgive the debt. But if the general concensus is that the Titan is more important, then maybe that will sway me.
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Eurydyke
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:31:00 -
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Without a titan you are nothing tbh, and it will get more difficult every day for your organisation, because.... others are building more and more of them.
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:37:00 -
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Titans can be baught trust can't.
 Originally by: Rawne Karrde
PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
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Hellman109
Gallente
Magnetar Ltd
Dark Synergy
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Eurydyke
Without a titan you are nothing tbh, and it will get more difficult every day for your organisation, because.... others are building more and more of them.
So on one hand you need a titan to be big, but on the other one titan wont do anything cause the others will have more?
IMO your nothing without members, so a titan and no members = more useless.
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Omnos
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Omnos on 19/05/2007 11:40:02
This gives a new meaning to the phrase "don't fly what you can't afford to lose". What happens when CCP nerfs titans and the one you built gets killed ?
How much impact would a titan have on your abilitiy to hold space anyway ? Does it magically increase your wallet size so you can afford what you can't afford right now ?
Other then that, poor trolling attempt.
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:41:00 -
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I guess warbonds buy you alot of defeatism to parade on E-O.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:42:00 -
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Not happy? Leave Goonswarm.
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Omnos
This gives a new meaning to the phrase "don't fly what you can't afford to lose". What happens when CCP nerfs titans and the one you built gets killed ?
Other then that, poor trolling attempt.
The insurance payout would pay for warbonds :P
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Radioactive Babe
Red Frost
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:43:00 -
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Having a titan is important, but when your enemy knows which titan you have they will tank it and then its usefulness goes way way down.... Expecially when your enemys have multiple titans and can pop even specially tanked BS's and below (2 x Judgements = dead everything except capitals)
If they are saving for a Titan while at the same time the alliance members cannot make much isk due to being attacked a lot, then you have a problem. The peons are poor, but they know that there is a huge pot of isk being hoarded by their leaders so one of them gets to have a new toy, that is a recipe for wailing and gnashing of teeth and defections.
Oh and:
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I am posting on my alt, because I am pretty sure I will be banned from my corp if I post this on my main. My character has been suspended from posting a couple of times already on my corp's forum because I spoke out about this on there.
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Ralara
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
If you ran a corp, and this situation occured,
I wouldn't let this situation occur to begin with, tbh.
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Sigiryavrusu
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Not happy? Leave Goonswarm.
How does that help?
I lent 2 billion isk, if I leave GF will I ever see that again? I very much doubt it. If I stick around hopefully I'll get it back, even if it does take months.
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:49:00 -
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it seems to me like you've been taken for a ride tbh.
i wouldn't hold out too much hope for ever seeing your isk again.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 19/05/2007 11:50:37
Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
Edited by: Sigiryavrusu on 19/05/2007 11:25:06
I am posting on my alt, because I am pretty sure I will be banned from my corp if I post this on my main. My character has been suspended from posting a couple of times already on my corp's forum because I spoke out about this on there.
And i bet your leaders can't put this puzzle together.
"Hmm, our corporation has that situation..."
"Hmm, that guy has ahd suspensions...a couple even..."
"Hmm...nope, nothing strange there. Must be another corp." 
Have to say, great tactic on your corp.
Lend money from corp people.
"Promise" to pay back.
Get people to stick around and never pay 'em.
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Marisal
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Not happy? Leave Goonswarm.
How does that help?
I lent 2 billion isk, if I leave GF will I ever see that again? I very much doubt it. If I stick around hopefully I'll get it back, even if it does take months.
ya've been had, have you ever thought to consider where the money to pay you back is going to come from? Its most likely going to be earnt by you and other peons in the lower ranks. 30 bil in warbonds gone yet theres a titan fund of 40 bil, Any smart tactician knows that a titan won't win victories on its own, the question is who would be flying the said titan once its built, if its the same leaders that won't dip into the fund to bolster forces, then chances are you won't see any of your warbonds back anytime soon.
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SirDregann IV
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Not happy? Leave Goonswarm.
Was just about to post the same thing lol
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Sigiryavrusu
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
And i bet your leaders can't put this puzzle together.
"Hmm, our corporation has that situation..."
"Hmm, that guy has ahd suspensions...a couple even..."
"Hmm...nope, nothing strange there. Must be another corp."
Nothing to worry about there, pretty sure I wasn't the only one suspended, I expect the others who said "can we get our isk back" were given a week's suspension too. And there were 2 or 3 of us.
Thanks for the input everyone, seems to be a 50-50 split about which is more important.
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:00:00 -
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you should have used a contract.
But yeah sounds like GF is in just as much of a hard place as 99% of us suspected. They can take space and cant hold it.
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Zaphod Jones
Minmatar
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:02:00 -
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pure speculation here...
Mitanni sells 40Bn to isk sellers, no nationalities mentioned as I think we can guess that from your known allies
Mitanni claims that a "trusted" member had stolen the isk
Mitanni buys a nice BPO
Celtic Anarchy is recruiting
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Not happy? Leave Goonswarm.
How does that help?
I lent 2 billion isk, if I leave GF will I ever see that again? I very much doubt it. If I stick around hopefully I'll get it back, even if it does take months.
Your leadership wants a titan, they don't seem to care too much about you, they've got plenty of members anyway and replacing members shouldn't be too hard for them.
So you can either;
- Hang around, hope your side wins thw war and get your money back eventually.
- Learn and move on, perhaps investing two billion on a titan construction plan during wartime isn't the best way to go?
- Start a rebellion, overthrow the leadership, become the new dictator and run things the way you feel they should be run.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:07:00 -
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ASCN had the first eve titan but little trust. That should answer your question.
- Gob
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:16:00 -
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anonymous character? check.
enough information dropped to identify alliance? check.
suggestion of an internel rift? check.
implication that bob cannot be defeated? check.
if i didn't know better, i might be fooled into thinking this was their ultra efficient propaganda machine swining into action.
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Sigiryavrusu
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sigiryavrusu on 19/05/2007 12:25:04
Originally by: ry ry
implication that bob cannot be defeated? check.
I never suggested that at all. The trouble is completely financial at the leadership level, we always have a large turnout for pvp battles, alot of our members are wealthy and have heavy SP investments, and turn up with excellent ships. While BoB hate us, I doubt any of them would come here and say a fight against a serious Goon fleet is ever easy.
My problem is purely with the director's stance on this financial issue, as far as loyalty goes I am loyal. And I genuinely believe that BoB cannot really win this war in the long run. In the short term they will take space, because we simply have too much of it at the minute.
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Mr Abbadon
Svea Rike
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Abbadon on 19/05/2007 12:35:54
what says your with Goons? if ya leant goons about 2bil they could figure out who you are. credibility=0 to this crap talker.
but if your in goons, talk to the leadership, be brave and not a bloody coward.
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Sigiryavrusu
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sigiryavrusu on 19/05/2007 12:43:13
Originally by: Mr Abbadon
Edited by: Mr Abbadon on 19/05/2007 12:35:54
what says your with Goons? if ya leant goons about 2bil they could figure out who you are. credibility=0 to this crap talker.
but if your in goons, talk to the leadership, be brave and not a bloody coward.
I don't really care, if they do know who I am and then punish me for talking out, I don't think that would look good for them anyway, so I doubt they'll do anything. But hey, maybe they will, I hope the don't. I love my corp, I just don't want to lose my money and felt speaking out here may change some minds.
And it isn't crap. No goon will come here and say this situation hasn't occurred, because we're not liars. The general rule is that we try to leave Eve-Online alone, so I expect none will post at all, but if they do they won't deny this situation exists. If they do then you have the right to say this is crap.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Shinra
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:01:00 -
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I don't think Goonswarm ever gave a toss about 'what looks good for them', so yea. I'd check my roles when you log back in.
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:20:00 -
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you should be willing to sacrifice some isk towards your alliance tbh.
if not you should be kicked.
its not all about you, theres bigger things in the game.
imagine if ants refused to work towards building a colony because they felt they werent getting enough back ...
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
imagine if ants refused to work towards building a colony because they felt they werent getting enough back ...
Never saw an ant pay 15$/month to play colony-online either =p
- Gob
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La FemmeFatal
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:40:00 -
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You should have seen this comming really. all of your members should have. you are in an alliance that likes to scam anyone and its in your alliance decree to do this.
so now they scam there members as they know now the game is up and all is lost.
If you sleep with a wolf you cant complain after when it eats you for breakfast.
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ishkabibble
Gallente
AJAX Puppy Grinding Company
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: ishkabibble on 19/05/2007 13:48:25
nvm
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Shincheri
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:51:00 -
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It's common sense man. The money should go back to all the players in debt.
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Ling Xiao
Prism Project Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.19 14:02:00 -
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Didn't the Coalition already have 3 Titans between them? One more isn't going to make much difference let's be honest.
You should find a corp that better suits you. Although I guess it would be wise to stick around for a month or two in the hope you get your money back first.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.05.19 14:11:00 -
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Titans are nice, but using earmarked isk for other than intended purposes really will do a whole lot more harm than to any alliance. Every investment you make is a risky one. I've lost quite a bit in things a bit like that, but it's just a matter of risk managment. It didn't go so well, so what can you do.
It's all about how your alliance is gonna play the next cards. We shall see...
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.19 14:42:00 -
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Hey Mittani posting whit a alt tring to divert attetinon dosen't work you'll still get guns in your face . So you fail at missinformation .
If this is true thou i'd give back the money and get more dreads. Titans ain't gonna stop the capital ship armada.
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Caletha Reborn
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Posted - 2007.05.19 15:29:00 -
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I feel you should support your alliance / corp through thick and thin. If you do not have that faith in your alliance / corp, you should leave. *****ing within alliance / corp helps neither you or the alliance / corp.
The rest doesnt matter. Your alliance / corp has decided that the titan is on the top of their list and as such goes above all. Accept that or leave.
With that said, if Goonswarm is indeed your alliance then I find 40b a rather little amount in the titan fund, considering you yourself just said you loaned 2b. Thats just one of the 4000 members.
Lets also assume your in Goonfleet, with their 15% tax, 1 hour of ratting per day by half of your members (2696 / 2 = 1348 members ratting for 1 hour per day), at a small 10m per hour (which is rather low in the area's you live / have lived for ages), I'm getting a corp income of 2b per hour.
Somehow this 'we are broke' etc thing doesnt fly with me.
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Zaphod Jones
Minmatar
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.19 15:49:00 -
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the way that Goons fund the alliance through shattered crystal affiliate scheme should more than cover costs
OHGOD consists of 40 member corporations, 4077 pilots reside under its sovereignty
assume that approximately 50% of that 4077 pay for their monthly subscription by purchasing a 30d GTC from shattered crystal
2038 paying buying a 30d GTC the affiliate receives $0.75 for each code $1,528.5 per month
enough to buy 38 90d GTC and sell for approx 350m each total
Goons could potentially receive 13,300,000,000 isk per month
Celtic Anarchy is recruiting
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Jesus HChrist
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Posted - 2007.05.19 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zaphod Jones
the way that Goons fund the alliance through shattered crystal affiliate scheme should more than cover costs
OHGOD consists of 40 member corporations, 4077 pilots reside under its sovereignty
assume that approximately 50% of that 4077 pay for their monthly subscription by purchasing a 30d GTC from shattered crystal
2038 paying buying a 30d GTC the affiliate receives $0.75 for each code $1,528.5 per month
enough to buy 38 90d GTC and sell for approx 350m each total
Goons could potentially receive 13,300,000,000 isk per month
didn't you hear? the IRS found out about the backhanders, and decided that its tax deductable
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Leonard Darwin
Rosewood Productions
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Posted - 2007.05.19 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
you should be willing to sacrifice some isk towards your alliance tbh.
if not you should be kicked.
its not all about you, theres bigger things in the game.
I think that is not the problem here. Donating ISK and loaning ISK are two very different things, and one can't change a loan to a donation just because they don't have the cash to pay it back.
TBH, your alliance should have asked for donations, mine does (alt ftw!) and gets them. OP, you've been scammed. This should not be any surprise considering who you fly with. And now that you've revealed their financial situation to the public and tracking you down could be done even with a mentally challenged Persian cat, I think you might find yourself soon flying with better people. Next time, realize the type of pilots you fly with and their integrity towards others. To those people, corp/alliance mates are just secondary targets.
Good luck in the future.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.19 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
ASCN had the first eve titan but little trust. That should answer your question.
- Gob
That hits the nail on the head quite nicely.
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VanNostrum
Cataphract Securities
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.05.19 16:35:00 -
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"sigiryavrusu"
LOL
nice name
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diabolic clone
Amarr
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.19 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ling Xiao
*snip*
You should find a corp that better suits you.
*snip*
Generally I agree, don't sell yourself short for a corporation that won't let you speak your mind and bother to tell you when you are out of line.
As far as trust or a titan, why bother. You don't have either.
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Antisocial Butterfly
Panty Pirates
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Posted - 2007.05.19 17:07:00 -
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err trust. your leaders shouldn't have made promises they couldn't keep, and if there's a way to put that right, they should do. regardless of the titan.
(or at least have some kind of vote about what people want done with their money...if they want to wait it out, keep it towards a titan or get their money back)
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Asimov Machinow
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Posted - 2007.05.19 17:12:00 -
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So lets see:
You loan 2 billion to corp.
You later donate 2 billion to Titan fund.
Now you want the corp to take your 2 billion donation away from the Titan to pay late debts? Except that it sounds like you never even donated 2 billion for the Titan and would assume that others would like to have their donations used to pay for your poor risk management. You knew the corp was going to play with the BoB and assumed there'd be little risk of running out of money. Well sorry, you lose.  |
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.05.19 17:18:00 -
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I may be way off but it seems to me the money in the Titan Fund could build and fit roughly 200 battleships. I would think 200 Battleships > 1 Titan.
A Titan is a luxury that if you are broke is silly to persue. It's like having a Rolls Royce and living in a cardboard box under a bridge.
To the OP I'd say a corp/alliance's members are its greatest asset. An Alliance can exist sans a Titan. No members and there is no alliance.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.19 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 19/05/2007 17:19:22
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
I may be way off but it seems to me the money in the Titan Fund could build and fit roughly 200 battleships. I would think 200 Battleships > 1 Titan.
A Titan is a luxury that if you are broke is silly to persue. It's like having a Rolls Royce and living in a cardboard box under a bridge.
The titan is the most useful ship you could possibly build. If not for the jump bridge then for the fact that it can decimate enemy fleets and scare them into not even defending their stations.
200 battleships on the other hand they'll quite happily engage.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.19 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
I may be way off but it seems to me the money in the Titan Fund could build and fit roughly 200 battleships. I would think 200 Battleships > 1 Titan.
A Titan is a luxury that if you are broke is silly to persue. It's like having a Rolls Royce and living in a cardboard box under a bridge.
To the OP I'd say a corp/alliance's members are its greatest asset. An Alliance can exist sans a Titan. No members and there is no alliance.
Its like living in an American ghetto. Section 8 public housing riddled with bullet holes and a tricked out SUV in front with spinner rims and a DVD player in the dash...
This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless... |
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.05.19 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 19/05/2007 17:29:17
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
The titan is the most useful ship you could possibly build. If not for the jump bridge then for the fact that it can decimate enemy fleets and scare them into not even defending their stations.
200 battleships on the other hand they'll quite happily engage.
If that is so then it is a sorry comment on the tactical landscape in EVE. I guarantee you any right thinking military in the world would rather have 20 cruisers than 1 battleship. It allows for far greater tactical flexibility, allows you to cover more fronts and then there is the whole "eggs in one basket" deal to contend with.
If a Titan really is THE thing for 0.0 warfare to the point that 1 is greater than 200 people in battleships it needs fixing IMO.
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group
Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.05.19 17:33:00 -
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This has already been said I'm sure, but "suspended"?!? wtf, you still at school or something? I know people take all that disciplin and organisation stuff really seriously and it can be lots of fun I'm sure, but...
In any case, public forum isn't the place to debate internal alliance policy. Sounds like the war bonds money has been mismanaged (assuming they didn't just lump it into the Titan fund).
I wouldn't trust an alliance who can't manage their isk. So in conclusion, go for Titan. people will forget the isk if they're having fun and kicking ass..... which ofc. is exactly what a Titan does for the whole alliance..... because everyone gets a turn at playing with it......
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Research Services
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.05.19 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 19/05/2007 17:29:17
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
The titan is the most useful ship you could possibly build. If not for the jump bridge then for the fact that it can decimate enemy fleets and scare them into not even defending their stations.
200 battleships on the other hand they'll quite happily engage.
If that is so then it is a sorry comment on the tactical landscape in EVE. I guarantee you any right thinking military in the world would rather have 20 cruisers than 1 battleship. It allows for far greater tactical flexibility, allows you to cover more fronts and then there is the whole "eggs in one basket" deal to contend with.
If a Titan really is THE thing for 0.0 warfare to the point that 1 is greater than 200 people in battleships it needs fixing IMO.
he's right though, look at all the fuss just talking about titans causes. they're primarily a terror weapon.
the fact that you even have a titan is as important as what you actually do with it, and the threat of unleashing it every bit as useful as actually doing so.
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Keleborn
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.19 18:01:00 -
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No one can guarantee the war bonds IPO's or ICO's (initial corp offerings) will work out in the end.
While I get a kick out of seeing my enemies broke and bickering, you decided to put your trust in them, pulling out now and airing their dirty laundry behind an alt no less make you look pathetic.
When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite but I don't waste my breath.
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Nostic
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.19 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Nostic on 19/05/2007 20:42:40
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
I may be way off but it seems to me the money in the Titan Fund could build and fit roughly 200 battleships. I would think 200 Battleships > 1 Titan.
LV's Titan destroyed nearly 200 battleships in a single shot. Even if the Goons manage to get a Titan and contribute to the visibility of how badly they need nerfed, they'll still come out in the end since their opponents have 4 with many more in production.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.19 21:55:00 -
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You are in an alliance that mocks the concept of e-trust and e-responsibility about e-money in an internet spaceships game, and you ask a question like that?
If you are in Goonswarm then you really shouldn't be worried about your money anyway, right? It is all just some fun. You really shouldn't take it all so e-seriously, that is what all those "other" players do.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.19 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 19/05/2007 22:02:53
You've been scammed.
Deal with it.
Find an alliance whose leadership you can actually trust to act in your best interest.
Originally by: Avon
You are in an alliance that mocks the concept of e-trust and e-responsibility about e-money in an internet spaceships game, and you ask a question like that?
If you are in Goonswarm then you really shouldn't be worried about your money anyway, right? It is all just some fun. You really shouldn't take it all so e-seriously, that is what all those "other" players do.
I've always found that claim interesting. Goonswarm is notorious for their black ops, massive spying operations, and lobbying efforts aimed at CCP (such as the leadership's order for their membership to post alt whines about titans on the forums). Yet they, of all alliances, claim they're just playing the game for fun and that everyone else is taking it too seriously.
It doesn't make much sense to me.
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.19 22:33:00 -
[53]
distract them with a crazy hot pants dance and then take your money back!
Screw the titan, it did not do Cyvok any good (bless his soul)
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Iraf Thaiberd
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.19 22:47:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 19/05/2007 22:49:24
While we'd like to thank the thread starter for the chuckles, and we hate to interrupt the weekly-scheduled "goons are dead/lost/broke/amoral/INTERNET" thread, a little background may help here.
Here's another post by the same person, implying that they're in BoB at the time:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=518418&page=4#108
Screenshotted for when they edit it:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted1.jpg
And here's one where the same person is claiming to be in -V-:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=461617&page=3#63
And the screenshot for the post-edit:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted2.jpg
Conclusions? Who knows? As far as I can tell, this person is just a bad troll. The "argument" put forth in the original post makes it clear (at least to us) that this is either an awful troll by an errant member of GS or someone in another alliance.
Anyway, continue with your "goons are dead/lost/broke/RA SLAVES!/amoral/INTERNET" whatever thread I guess. I won't be responding to any posts or questions because the stink of this place gives me the creeps, and I'm busy at work anyway. |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.19 22:51:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd
While we'd like to thank the thread starter for the chuckles, and we hate to interrupt the weekly-scheduled "goons are dead/lost/broke/amoral/INTERNET" thread, a little background may help here.
Here's another post by the same person, claiming to be in BoB at the time:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=518418&page=4#108
Screenshotted for when they edit it:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted1.jpg
And here's one where the same person is claiming to be in -V-:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=461617&page=3#63
And the screenshot for the post-edit:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted2.jpg
Conclusions? Who knows? As far as I can tell, this person is just a bad troll. The "argument" put forth in the original post makes it clear (at least to us) that this is either an awful troll by an errant member of GS or someone in another alliance.
Anyway, continue with your "goons are dead/lost/broke/RA SLAVES!/amoral/INTERNET" whatever thread I guess. I won't be responding to any posts or questions because the stink of this place gives me the creeps, and I'm busy at work anyway.
Seems like the OP needs to learn to recycle his alts...
I'm guessing he has a spy in Goonswarm and wanted to make drama on the forums without revealing the identity of his spy.
--23 Member--
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.19 22:59:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd
Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 19/05/2007 22:49:24
While we'd like to thank the thread starter for the chuckles, and we hate to interrupt the weekly-scheduled "goons are dead/lost/broke/amoral/INTERNET" thread, a little background may help here.
Here's another post by the same person, implying that they're in BoB at the time:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=518418&page=4#108
Screenshotted for when they edit it:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted1.jpg
And here's one where the same person is claiming to be in -V-:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=461617&page=3#63
And the screenshot for the post-edit:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted2.jpg
Conclusions? Who knows? As far as I can tell, this person is just a bad troll. The "argument" put forth in the original post makes it clear (at least to us) that this is either an awful troll by an errant member of GS or someone in another alliance.
Anyway, continue with your "goons are dead/lost/broke/RA SLAVES!/amoral/INTERNET" whatever thread I guess. I won't be responding to any posts or questions because the stink of this place gives me the creeps, and I'm busy at work anyway.
Served, with a side order of "lol".
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Olixia Castitatis
Gallente
Svefn-G-Englar
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Posted - 2007.05.19 23:06:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 19/05/2007 17:29:17
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
The titan is the most useful ship you could possibly build. If not for the jump bridge then for the fact that it can decimate enemy fleets and scare them into not even defending their stations.
200 battleships on the other hand they'll quite happily engage.
If that is so then it is a sorry comment on the tactical landscape in EVE. I guarantee you any right thinking military in the world would rather have 20 cruisers than 1 battleship. It allows for far greater tactical flexibility, allows you to cover more fronts and then there is the whole "eggs in one basket" deal to contend with.
If a Titan really is THE thing for 0.0 warfare to the point that 1 is greater than 200 people in battleships it needs fixing IMO.
Your comparison is wrong. While 20 cruisers might be better than a battleship, 20 cruisers are not better than an ICBM.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.19 23:26:00 -
[58]
well u could go ratting simply build youre own ISK up before u leave and before youre alliance gets steamrolled over. Over than that see what u can get up to, pass intel along to the enemy, make more posts or just leave whatever group youre with and go somewhere else
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Rikeka
Amarr
Eye of God
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.05.19 23:30:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Rikeka on 19/05/2007 23:31:26
Trust is important, but a Titan is an important step for any alliance...
Your corp/alliance may owe you 2b... Of course, if they lose everything they worked for, you`ll get nothing. If they win (and if they do, it may very well be because of a Titan), you may get your ISK back...
I think it`s pretty easy what to do: Once you gave your isk to your superiors, you placed a bet...
Be a man, and accept it.
[EDIT]
Stupid OP... anyway, my points are still valid.
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.19 23:32:00 -
[60]
Look ma, I'm in a BoB alt thread.
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.19 23:43:00 -
[61]
Titans are useless. Demand your ISK back. 
Seriously. It's been told many times over. When the going gets tough, it's always the leaders under pressure that will continue to tell their members to keep on sacrificing while all along securing their own assets in preparation for the afterlife.
Ask yourself, are these leaders on the front lines sacrificing their own assets or are they just good for a speech and a quick ban? When you answer those questions honestly, then you will know itÆs worth donating to the Corp found or not.
The truth will set you free
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Shinigami
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.19 23:57:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Shinigami on 19/05/2007 23:55:35
This was posted on the FoH forums.
Perhaps this website can help you goons with your debts.
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Screenshots
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Celestal
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Posted - 2007.05.20 00:03:00 -
[63]
You guys do realise that the op is a bob alt stirring it up ?
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Draekas Darkwater
Sanctum Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.20 00:17:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd
Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 19/05/2007 22:49:24
While we'd like to thank the thread starter for the chuckles, and we hate to interrupt the weekly-scheduled "goons are dead/lost/broke/amoral/INTERNET" thread, a little background may help here.
Here's another post by the same person, implying that they're in BoB at the time:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=518418&page=4#108
Screenshotted for when they edit it:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted1.jpg
And here's one where the same person is claiming to be in -V-:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=461617&page=3#63
And the screenshot for the post-edit:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted2.jpg
Conclusions? Who knows? As far as I can tell, this person is just a bad troll. The "argument" put forth in the original post makes it clear (at least to us) that this is either an awful troll by an errant member of GS or someone in another alliance.
Anyway, continue with your "goons are dead/lost/broke/RA SLAVES!/amoral/INTERNET" whatever thread I guess. I won't be responding to any posts or questions because the stink of this place gives me the creeps, and I'm busy at work anyway.
LOL Almost as good of a knockout blow as watching Cro Cop getting droped with a head kick in UFC 70.
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Lex Dei
Galactic Knights
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Posted - 2007.05.20 00:48:00 -
[65]
I liked how the two BoB characters that posted in here ignored the fact that the OP was a fellow BoB troll/spy trying to play the propaganda/PR game. Given various BoB corps' standing records in omitting "certain kinds of killmails", I'm not the least surprised. Eagerly awaiting similar alt posts describing crises in D2, RA, RAZOR, TCF, etc.
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.20 01:28:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd
Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 19/05/2007 22:49:24
While we'd like to thank the thread starter for the chuckles, and we hate to interrupt the weekly-scheduled "goons are dead/lost/broke/amoral/INTERNET" thread, a little background may help here.
Here's another post by the same person, implying that they're in BoB at the time:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=518418&page=4#108
Screenshotted for when they edit it:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted1.jpg
And here's one where the same person is claiming to be in -V-:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=461617&page=3#63
And the screenshot for the post-edit:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted2.jpg
Conclusions? Who knows? As far as I can tell, this person is just a bad troll. The "argument" put forth in the original post makes it clear (at least to us) that this is either an awful troll by an errant member of GS or someone in another alliance.
Anyway, continue with your "goons are dead/lost/broke/RA SLAVES!/amoral/INTERNET" whatever thread I guess. I won't be responding to any posts or questions because the stink of this place gives me the creeps, and I'm busy at work anyway.
And i thought you guys whre gonna divert attention 
Seems that alts are popular this days
Thank You SkyFlyer |
Sixtyniner
5th Avenue
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Posted - 2007.05.20 02:10:00 -
[67]
Trust of course. What good is a Titan if no one in the corp can trust the leader or boar dof directors? They¦ll have no support from the members, that¦s just bad. Just proves my view on being in an alliance; you¦re just one of their toysoldiers, they don¦t care.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.05.20 02:28:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
Edited by: Sigiryavrusu on 19/05/2007 11:25:06
I am posting on my alt, ...
Hi there, Sir Molle
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KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.20 06:57:00 -
[69]
Edited by: KIATolon on 20/05/2007 06:58:56
Edited by: KIATolon on 20/05/2007 06:56:19
Thats not molle, the OP was literate.
However, the fact remains that the OP has no understanding of GS.
Remedial and I are going to take the titan fund ISK and spend all of it creating a huge arena where we partake in a RL battle for a large ham.
This is beyond any of GS wildest dreams and the members would gladly sell their accounts for ISK to ensure it happens.
Also you're a coward.
If you have something to say, say it and be accountable.
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Runar Hawk
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Posted - 2007.05.20 07:05:00 -
[70]
yes, I would gladly give all or most of my eve assets to see tolon and rem RL fight over ham
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.05.20 07:05:00 -
[71]
I will gladly give all of my EVE assets to see Remedial and Tolon RL fight over ham.
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KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.20 07:07:00 -
[72]
lol
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Aldari Verve
Black Omega Security
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.20 07:14:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Aldari Verve on 20/05/2007 07:12:30
HEY i like ham too. I'm not as "big Boned" as Tolon or Remedial. I'm rather skinny so i'll just take the scraps that fly off as they fight ...hehehe. Little guys gotta eat too.
*donates to the rl hamfest fund
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.20 07:29:00 -
[74]
Originally by: KIATolon
However, the fact remains that the OP has no understanding of GS.
I think I pointed that out on the last page.
The question is, however, is he telling the truth?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.20 07:54:00 -
[75]
GS is a beast that is a beast that will be hard to kill
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.05.20 08:44:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Laboratus on 20/05/2007 08:42:26
Originally by: Metal Dude
Seriously. It's been told many times over. When the going gets tough, it's always the leaders under pressure that will continue to tell their members to keep on sacrificing while all along securing their own assets in preparation for the afterlife.
Ask yourself, are these leaders on the front lines sacrificing their own assets or are they just good for a speech and a quick ban? When you answer those questions honestly, then you will know it’s worth donating to the Corp found or not.
You do realise, it's the leaders who most often bear the most stress and burn out at some point.
Grunts have it pretty easy. They don't need to coordinate, manage diplomacy, finance, residents, strategical planning etc etc etc.
Grunts just log in, and do what is fun. Play the game, the most exciting bits.
Otherwise, nice propaganda.
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P.S.
Post with your main.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.20 09:13:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Laboratus
Otherwise, nice propaganda.
You should get in to politics, your evasion skills are superb.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.20 09:52:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Not a bad idea, surely, but it seems to me that it violates their entire "its just an internet spaceships game" motto.
It doesn't make much sense to me.
They want to win EVE with their non-serious relaxed fun style against the overly serious vets by any means, no matter what it costs.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.05.20 10:18:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Avon
You should get in to politics, your evasion skills are superb.
Can't. I just have no patience for people who torpedo sensible propositions only because they happen to belong to the wrong party. Or try to propose popular, but irrational stuff only to make the other side look bad, since they have no option but to oppose it, unless they want to be stuck with the irrational stuff.
Well, no patience for politics in general.
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P.S.
Post with your main.
Mind control and tin hats |
000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.05.20 10:25:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
My character has been suspended from posting a couple of times already on my corp's forum because I spoke out about this on there.
Now that line alone should tell u enough, as soon as the higher ups get too arrogant and won't allow people thei opinions u know it's time to get out. If u have your stuff in an outpost or station owned by your corp/alliance i would get my stuff out of there asap and into a standard npc station before it all goes pop.
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
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whopper
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.20 11:36:00 -
[81]
This:
"I am posting on my alt, because I am pretty sure I will be banned from my corp if I post this on my main."
and this:
"I lent 2 billion isk, if I leave GF will I ever see that again?" doesnt match.
how many ppl do you think gave 2b ? 3 or 4 ? how fast would this char get nailed down if it would be true ?
better luck next time.
.whopper
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BluOrange
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.20 13:06:00 -
[82]
Personally, I keep my promises.
Regarding your specific situation - you're the one in that situation, not me.
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Alley Cat
Gallente
High4Life
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.20 13:36:00 -
[83]
If the majority of the corp gave isk then you guys go on strike. How can the corp make money with you guys not doing anything? Damand your isk back if they say no threaten them with the corp not making any isk while you twirl your ship around in the station. If they still dont give in POD there ass, if they give in then your ass gets back to work! Your a alliance slave m8. Fight for your rights!!
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.05.20 14:34:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
I am posting on my alt, because I am pretty sure I will be banned from my corp if I post this on my main.
But you've been so vocal about this in other places, it can't be hard to put two and two together. I'm no detective but I'd guess you're "Fkin" from SA (Shadako on goonfleet.com) based on your posts here and in the Goonfleet Apoclaypse edition thread on SA.
That isk is earmarked for a titan and your alliance has had financial difficulties lately that were unforseen when the fund started. Either you choose to trust that your alliance leaders will eventually pay the isk back or you declare that 2 billion isk is lost, those are your only choices. Whether or not they can build that titan safely is one matter, but you chose to invest and all investments carry risk. Most publicly funded shares would delay payments in cases like these too, and have done in the past. Have some patience, I guess.
Personally, if I were facing financial hardship with my business (which uses publicly invested isk) and knew I couldn't pay out dividends for a few months, I'd probably liquidate and pay out what was left to investors. But that's not the issue here, these are apparantly War Bonds, which shouldn't be required to be repaid until after the war is over since the isk is still needed.
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PDoggy
Minmatar
Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.20 20:54:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd
Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 19/05/2007 22:49:24
While we'd like to thank the thread starter for the chuckles, and we hate to interrupt the weekly-scheduled "goons are dead/lost/broke/amoral/INTERNET" thread, a little background may help here.
Here's another post by the same person, implying that they're in BoB at the time:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=518418&page=4#108
Screenshotted for when they edit it:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted1.jpg
And here's one where the same person is claiming to be in -V-:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=461617&page=3#63
And the screenshot for the post-edit:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted2.jpg
Conclusions? Who knows? As far as I can tell, this person is just a bad troll. The "argument" put forth in the original post makes it clear (at least to us) that this is either an awful troll by an errant member of GS or someone in another alliance.
Anyway, continue with your "goons are dead/lost/broke/RA SLAVES!/amoral/INTERNET" whatever thread I guess. I won't be responding to any posts or questions because the stink of this place gives me the creeps, and I'm busy at work anyway.
quoting because lol
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Kronius
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Posted - 2007.05.20 21:28:00 -
[86]
lolling at this
Don't worry EVE-O pub^h^h^h warriors, the Goonfleet public forums will go live soon and all you bob-alts can try your pathetic diversion attempts there.
The mockery shall bee epic.
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Adaris
Dark and Light inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.20 21:40:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
Edited by: Sigiryavrusu on 19/05/2007 11:25:06
I am posting on my alt, because I am pretty sure I will be banned from my corp if I post this on my main. My character has been suspended from posting a couple of times already on my corp's forum because I spoke out about this on there.
My alliance called a while ago for warbonds. We would lend them money to go towards our fight against BoB, and we would get it back plus I think it was 15% interest. The deadline for payback was several weeks ago now, and despite being late our leaders still promised to pay us back, albeit late.
Now the leaders have told us that, actually, we're broke, unable to protect the space we are losing, and the roughly 30 billion of warbonds cannot be repaid in the forseeable future.
But, we have a Titan fund, which has more than 40 billion in it currently. We could dip into that to pay people back, but The Mittani (our leader) refuses to do that because, well, they really want a Titan.
I just wonder what the general perspective is amongst everyone else. If you ran a corp, and this situation occured, would you pay back the people who lent money, and put the Titan on standby, or blindly ignore the lenders and set the Titan as the important project?
Some of us have forgiven the debt, but our leader's attitude doesn't sit well with me, and I can't really bring myself to forgive the debt. But if the general concensus is that the Titan is more important, then maybe that will sway me.
If your corp told its members to give the isk to raise funds for your alliance in a way that if you refused you would be kicked out or shunned then I believe that your corp is crap. Simple. Because they pushed you into lending the isk they have the responsibility to make sure you get it back (if that was part of the agreement). Not giving you the titan isk is crap, thats you money because they told you to give them (alliance) your isk and assured you you'd get it back.
If they didn't pressurize you into giving your isk to alliance then its just your fault man. Its a risk you took. And that 40 bil isn't to be put back into your pocket (and your fellow corp mates)...
I hope your corp is crap so that it means you deserve the isk back.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZ0j7vtKEQ
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CaptainGordon
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Posted - 2007.05.21 03:20:00 -
[88]
Send more BoB alts
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ForumPosterAlt
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Posted - 2007.05.21 03:25:00 -
[89]
0.0 is a fking joke now anyways.
CCP's vision of how capitals would make sovereignty awesome and whatever, complete failure.
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Sabahl
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 10:42:00 -
[90]
This thread is illegal, parked on adouble yellow line, and should be towed away.
But in the meantime, here's a few tips
1) Never lend anyone anything you can't afford to lose, unless you know where they live and are pretty sure you can beat them up in a fight
2) War bonds are only useful if you are sure you will win the war. You can only win a war if you fight, not pack up and cede territory when things get tough. Tactical withdrawels? Well, that's what your leadership appears to have done from your war fund so they can make a big booom ship that they're also in the process of getting nerfed.
3) Either way, you don't come whining on here about your internal problems because all you will get are a load of giggles from the stalls. So, you corp is having funding issues in a war that they can't afford to wage? So what? It's happened countless times over the years and, with hardly an exception, has ultimately led to a complete breakdown in the alliance, corp or rough gang of friends who have been playing the game. But the fact is, the rest of us don't care. We'll read your alliance's obituary later, thank you.
In the meantime, go out and grab some more isk mining or something. Sounds like you need it.
Poor bard, I must give you a cookie!- Tirg |
ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.05.21 11:08:00 -
[91]
Edited by: ry ry on 21/05/2007 11:08:19
Originally by: sabahl
1) Never lend anyone anything you can't afford to lose, unless you know where they live and are pretty sure you can beat them up in a fight
2) War bonds are only useful if you are sure you will win the war. You can only win a war if you fight, not pack up and cede territory when things get tough. Tactical withdrawels? Well, that's what your leadership appears to have done from your war fund so they can make a big booom ship that they're also in the process of getting nerfed.
3) Either way, you don't come whining on here about your internal problems because all you will get are a load of giggles from the stalls. So, you corp is having funding issues in a war that they can't afford to wage? So what? It's happened countless times over the years and, with hardly an exception, has ultimately led to a complete breakdown in the alliance, corp or rough gang of friends who have been playing the game. But the fact is, the rest of us don't care. We'll read your alliance's obituary later, thank you.
In the meantime, go out and grab some more isk mining or something. Sounds like you need it.
out of curiosity, who are you talking to?
in your eagerness to smack a goon, i think you missed the bit where it was established that the OP probably isn't one.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 11:21:00 -
[92]
Originally by: ForumPosterAlt
0.0 is a fking joke now anyways.
CCP's vision of how capitals would make sovereignty awesome and whatever, complete failure.
I would say the same think about alt posting in general, Mr ForumPosterAlt. If you want to make a statement here, use your main, and that goes for the OP as well.
/me changes to post with bob alt..... then relises the bob alt is actually in bob
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Posted - 2007.05.21 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
you should be willing to sacrifice some isk towards your alliance tbh.
if not you should be kicked.
its not all about you, theres bigger things in the game.
oh no its not all about the members - its about getting toys for the leaders
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imagine if ants refused to work towards building a colony because they felt they werent getting enough back ...
ants work almost like slaves in a nearly mindless state with blind dedication to the queen - if this is how you see members of an alliance/corp then i hope karma comes back to you real hard - the longer it accumulates the better
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 12:02:00 -
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1 - it's not nice what you are doing now. Not a big fan of GEWNS or of BoB either. You guys are jackasses and it's been seen over time - baiting guys to come in and join just to gank them ganking them. Couldn't happen to nicer guys. :)
2 - 1 aside, an alliance is not a collective of self interests. Well it can be, but it will be short lived. You need to have a colective interest too. If I were a in Mittani's shoes i'd make a pole about it, and see which way it swings.
3 - for me and many people that i know, 2b lost is not that important. Money is easy to earn in this game, and it's a MMORPG so i'm playing to have fun with others. You can run L4's for 2-3 weeks or rat in 0.0 and make that sum fast. If i really liked the guys i was with in the alliance, i would take it as a loss and move on.
4 - in the chance you are an alt to make Goons look bad, nice job. Didn't say you were in GoonSwarm in the post but the hint wasn't exactly "hidden". :)
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eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Laboratus
Otherwise, nice propaganda.
You should get in to politics, your evasion skills are superb.
Well, you have to admit they are probably a tad better than yours, running away from the forums for 3 months is about as crude as it gets in terms of evasion skills
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.21 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro
in the chance you are an alt to make Goons look bad, nice job. Didn't say you were in GoonSwarm in the post but the hint wasn't exactly "hidden". :)
thats actually the only possibility
only the motives are questionable
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Laboratus
Otherwise, nice propaganda.
You should get in to politics, your evasion skills are superb.
Well, you have to admit they are probably a tad better than yours, running away from the forums for 3 months is about as crude as it gets in terms of evasion skills
To be fair, I was still here, just not posting in CAOD.
Interestingly I still haven't had a straight answer as to the truth of the OP's post, so the evasion continues.
I have a feeling it is proably an accurate reflection of the current position of Goonswarm, no matter what affiliation the true identity of the OP may carry (and no, I honestly have no idea who they are.)
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 19/05/2007 17:29:17
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
The titan is the most useful ship you could possibly build. If not for the jump bridge then for the fact that it can decimate enemy fleets and scare them into not even defending their stations.
200 battleships on the other hand they'll quite happily engage.
If that is so then it is a sorry comment on the tactical landscape in EVE. I guarantee you any right thinking military in the world would rather have 20 cruisers than 1 battleship. It allows for far greater tactical flexibility, allows you to cover more fronts and then there is the whole "eggs in one basket" deal to contend with.
If a Titan really is THE thing for 0.0 warfare to the point that 1 is greater than 200 people in battleships it needs fixing IMO.
The trick, I think, is that the 200 players will use teir own battleship (and risk it), while the leadership will use the Alliance Titan (and risk it).
So they can have the pie (200 BS) an eat it (the Titan).
There is a different point: if they have truble houlding the territory, where they think to build the Titan?
Wait till they have a core group of system well entrenched and then build it? And in the meantime the other players in the alliance have no isk and no Titan?
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KHM Corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Rosalina Sarinna on 21/05/2007 13:55:13
I guess what i find funny is the ascertion that GF is broke. I mean seriously... a single char can make a few bil ISK in a month, even with only 10% of GF doing anything / logging in, thats nearly 1 trillion ISK.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:22:00 -
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Post with your main so I can get you kicked from your corp kekekeke
NO - you lamers need to stfu about posting with your GD main
if you care so much about the person the view is coming for more than the actual view itself, it says something about you
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:33:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Rosalina Sarinna
Edited by: Rosalina Sarinna on 21/05/2007 13:55:13
I guess what i find funny is the ascertion that GF is broke. I mean seriously... a single char can make a few bil ISK in a month, even with only 10% of GF doing anything / logging in, thats nearly 1 trillion ISK.
Corp/alliance financing is not so much a matter of how much each person in the corp/alliance CAN earn, but is more a matter of how much they DO earn, and how much of that goes TO the corp/alliance.
For an alliance to earn a proper income from its members, those members need to:
a) Do the ISK grind (to reach your 1b+, very intensive too)
b) Donate the money they earn to their corp/alliance
Mostly, both of these are not something people like to do (especially the last one)...
I don't know how GS finances work, but if their members DON'T do a) and b) above, any corp/alliance could/would be in trouble...
Note: I don't claim GS has/hasn't got financial problems (I have no knowledge either way). I'm just pointing out that POTENTIAL earnings by members is not related to how much corp/alliances ACTUALLY make from those members...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rosalina Sarinna
Edited by: Rosalina Sarinna on 21/05/2007 13:55:13
I guess what i find funny is the ascertion that GF is broke. I mean seriously... a single char can make a few bil ISK in a month, even with only 10% of GF doing anything / logging in, thats nearly 1 trillion ISK.
I think you somewhat underestimate the cost of regional control.
You need a lot of income just to keep things ticking over.
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FGxHalsey
Freedom Guard
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Posted - 2007.05.21 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd
Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 19/05/2007 22:49:24
While we'd like to thank the thread starter for the chuckles, and we hate to interrupt the weekly-scheduled "goons are dead/lost/broke/amoral/INTERNET" thread, a little background may help here.
Here's another post by the same person, implying that they're in BoB at the time:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=518418&page=4#108
Screenshotted for when they edit it:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted1.jpg
And here's one where the same person is claiming to be in -V-:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=461617&page=3#63
And the screenshot for the post-edit:
http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted2.jpg
Conclusions? Who knows? As far as I can tell, this person is just a bad troll. The "argument" put forth in the original post makes it clear (at least to us) that this is either an awful troll by an errant member of GS or someone in another alliance.
Anyway, continue with your "goons are dead/lost/broke/RA SLAVES!/amoral/INTERNET" whatever thread I guess. I won't be responding to any posts or questions because the stink of this place gives me the creeps, and I'm busy at work anyway.
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Marqdest
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Posted - 2007.05.22 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon
(snip) Remedial and I are going to take the titan fund ISK and spend all of it creating a huge arena where we partake in a RL battle for a large ham. (snip)
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Claflin Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.22 07:22:00 -
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I mentioned this in the post in CAOD that was deleted, so I will mention it again. Are you the same person who posted this issue there? Maybe, maybe not I guess.
Anyways, War Bonds was a horrible idea because it doesn't seem to me that Goonswarm has any reliable isk generating techniques that could both fund a major war and pay back loans.
Personally, it seems like Mittani is more interested in bragging rights than anything else. Remedial's retirement post listed all of these Goonswarm accomplishments and perhaps Mittani is trying to cement his own legacy. Also, it sounds like both of them are obsessed with proving that Goon is one of the top alliances in the game and the titan represents proving they are a valid alliance.
It really doesn't seem like a titan will do anything to help your alliance. AAA and D2 both have one and there's no indication that it's helped them in their battles much. In fact, titans are most effective against your alliance because your victories tend to come from superior numbers.
It seems like the obsession with a titan may end up tearing apart your alliance.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:28:00 -
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My personal opinion? you got a leadership that thinks getting the titan up and running can save your space, see if it can. If after oh, Id say a month, things still seem bad and no payment in site, id ask one more time, then leave if it still upsets you. My question is do you really "need" the isk that you loaned them? If not and you can still get what your after, then what is the big deal, as an alliance member your suppose to help people work towards a common goal.
Just my two cents worth.
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