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Sigiryavrusu
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sigiryavrusu on 19/05/2007 11:25:06
I am posting on my alt, because I am pretty sure I will be banned from my corp if I post this on my main. My character has been suspended from posting a couple of times already on my corp's forum because I spoke out about this on there.
My alliance called a while ago for warbonds. We would lend them money to go towards our fight against BoB, and we would get it back plus I think it was 15% interest. The deadline for payback was several weeks ago now, and despite being late our leaders still promised to pay us back, albeit late.
Now the leaders have told us that, actually, we're broke, unable to protect the space we are losing, and the roughly 30 billion of warbonds cannot be repaid in the forseeable future.
But, we have a Titan fund, which has more than 40 billion in it currently. We could dip into that to pay people back, but The Mittani (our leader) refuses to do that because, well, they really want a Titan.
I just wonder what the general perspective is amongst everyone else. If you ran a corp, and this situation occured, would you pay back the people who lent money, and put the Titan on standby, or blindly ignore the lenders and set the Titan as the important project?
Some of us have forgiven the debt, but our leader's attitude doesn't sit well with me, and I can't really bring myself to forgive the debt. But if the general concensus is that the Titan is more important, then maybe that will sway me.
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Eurydyke
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:31:00 -
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Without a titan you are nothing tbh, and it will get more difficult every day for your organisation, because.... others are building more and more of them.
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:37:00 -
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Titans can be baught trust can't.
 Originally by: Rawne Karrde
PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
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Hellman109
Gallente
Magnetar Ltd
Dark Synergy
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Eurydyke
Without a titan you are nothing tbh, and it will get more difficult every day for your organisation, because.... others are building more and more of them.
So on one hand you need a titan to be big, but on the other one titan wont do anything cause the others will have more?
IMO your nothing without members, so a titan and no members = more useless.
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Omnos
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Omnos on 19/05/2007 11:40:02
This gives a new meaning to the phrase "don't fly what you can't afford to lose". What happens when CCP nerfs titans and the one you built gets killed ?
How much impact would a titan have on your abilitiy to hold space anyway ? Does it magically increase your wallet size so you can afford what you can't afford right now ?
Other then that, poor trolling attempt.
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:41:00 -
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I guess warbonds buy you alot of defeatism to parade on E-O.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:42:00 -
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Not happy? Leave Goonswarm.
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Omnos
This gives a new meaning to the phrase "don't fly what you can't afford to lose". What happens when CCP nerfs titans and the one you built gets killed ?
Other then that, poor trolling attempt.
The insurance payout would pay for warbonds :P
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Radioactive Babe
Red Frost
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:43:00 -
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Having a titan is important, but when your enemy knows which titan you have they will tank it and then its usefulness goes way way down.... Expecially when your enemys have multiple titans and can pop even specially tanked BS's and below (2 x Judgements = dead everything except capitals)
If they are saving for a Titan while at the same time the alliance members cannot make much isk due to being attacked a lot, then you have a problem. The peons are poor, but they know that there is a huge pot of isk being hoarded by their leaders so one of them gets to have a new toy, that is a recipe for wailing and gnashing of teeth and defections.
Oh and:
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I am posting on my alt, because I am pretty sure I will be banned from my corp if I post this on my main. My character has been suspended from posting a couple of times already on my corp's forum because I spoke out about this on there.
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Ralara
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
If you ran a corp, and this situation occured,
I wouldn't let this situation occur to begin with, tbh.
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Sigiryavrusu
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Not happy? Leave Goonswarm.
How does that help?
I lent 2 billion isk, if I leave GF will I ever see that again? I very much doubt it. If I stick around hopefully I'll get it back, even if it does take months.
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:49:00 -
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it seems to me like you've been taken for a ride tbh.
i wouldn't hold out too much hope for ever seeing your isk again.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 19/05/2007 11:50:37
Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
Edited by: Sigiryavrusu on 19/05/2007 11:25:06
I am posting on my alt, because I am pretty sure I will be banned from my corp if I post this on my main. My character has been suspended from posting a couple of times already on my corp's forum because I spoke out about this on there.
And i bet your leaders can't put this puzzle together.
"Hmm, our corporation has that situation..."
"Hmm, that guy has ahd suspensions...a couple even..."
"Hmm...nope, nothing strange there. Must be another corp." 
Have to say, great tactic on your corp.
Lend money from corp people.
"Promise" to pay back.
Get people to stick around and never pay 'em.
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Marisal
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Not happy? Leave Goonswarm.
How does that help?
I lent 2 billion isk, if I leave GF will I ever see that again? I very much doubt it. If I stick around hopefully I'll get it back, even if it does take months.
ya've been had, have you ever thought to consider where the money to pay you back is going to come from? Its most likely going to be earnt by you and other peons in the lower ranks. 30 bil in warbonds gone yet theres a titan fund of 40 bil, Any smart tactician knows that a titan won't win victories on its own, the question is who would be flying the said titan once its built, if its the same leaders that won't dip into the fund to bolster forces, then chances are you won't see any of your warbonds back anytime soon.
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SirDregann IV
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Not happy? Leave Goonswarm.
Was just about to post the same thing lol
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Sigiryavrusu
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
And i bet your leaders can't put this puzzle together.
"Hmm, our corporation has that situation..."
"Hmm, that guy has ahd suspensions...a couple even..."
"Hmm...nope, nothing strange there. Must be another corp."
Nothing to worry about there, pretty sure I wasn't the only one suspended, I expect the others who said "can we get our isk back" were given a week's suspension too. And there were 2 or 3 of us.
Thanks for the input everyone, seems to be a 50-50 split about which is more important.
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:00:00 -
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you should have used a contract.
But yeah sounds like GF is in just as much of a hard place as 99% of us suspected. They can take space and cant hold it.
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Zaphod Jones
Minmatar
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:02:00 -
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pure speculation here...
Mitanni sells 40Bn to isk sellers, no nationalities mentioned as I think we can guess that from your known allies
Mitanni claims that a "trusted" member had stolen the isk
Mitanni buys a nice BPO
Celtic Anarchy is recruiting
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sigiryavrusu
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Not happy? Leave Goonswarm.
How does that help?
I lent 2 billion isk, if I leave GF will I ever see that again? I very much doubt it. If I stick around hopefully I'll get it back, even if it does take months.
Your leadership wants a titan, they don't seem to care too much about you, they've got plenty of members anyway and replacing members shouldn't be too hard for them.
So you can either;
- Hang around, hope your side wins thw war and get your money back eventually.
- Learn and move on, perhaps investing two billion on a titan construction plan during wartime isn't the best way to go?
- Start a rebellion, overthrow the leadership, become the new dictator and run things the way you feel they should be run.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:07:00 -
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ASCN had the first eve titan but little trust. That should answer your question.
- Gob
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:16:00 -
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anonymous character? check.
enough information dropped to identify alliance? check.
suggestion of an internel rift? check.
implication that bob cannot be defeated? check.
if i didn't know better, i might be fooled into thinking this was their ultra efficient propaganda machine swining into action.
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Sigiryavrusu
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sigiryavrusu on 19/05/2007 12:25:04
Originally by: ry ry
implication that bob cannot be defeated? check.
I never suggested that at all. The trouble is completely financial at the leadership level, we always have a large turnout for pvp battles, alot of our members are wealthy and have heavy SP investments, and turn up with excellent ships. While BoB hate us, I doubt any of them would come here and say a fight against a serious Goon fleet is ever easy.
My problem is purely with the director's stance on this financial issue, as far as loyalty goes I am loyal. And I genuinely believe that BoB cannot really win this war in the long run. In the short term they will take space, because we simply have too much of it at the minute.
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Mr Abbadon
Svea Rike
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Abbadon on 19/05/2007 12:35:54
what says your with Goons? if ya leant goons about 2bil they could figure out who you are. credibility=0 to this crap talker.
but if your in goons, talk to the leadership, be brave and not a bloody coward.
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Sigiryavrusu
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sigiryavrusu on 19/05/2007 12:43:13
Originally by: Mr Abbadon
Edited by: Mr Abbadon on 19/05/2007 12:35:54
what says your with Goons? if ya leant goons about 2bil they could figure out who you are. credibility=0 to this crap talker.
but if your in goons, talk to the leadership, be brave and not a bloody coward.
I don't really care, if they do know who I am and then punish me for talking out, I don't think that would look good for them anyway, so I doubt they'll do anything. But hey, maybe they will, I hope the don't. I love my corp, I just don't want to lose my money and felt speaking out here may change some minds.
And it isn't crap. No goon will come here and say this situation hasn't occurred, because we're not liars. The general rule is that we try to leave Eve-Online alone, so I expect none will post at all, but if they do they won't deny this situation exists. If they do then you have the right to say this is crap.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Shinra
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:01:00 -
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I don't think Goonswarm ever gave a toss about 'what looks good for them', so yea. I'd check my roles when you log back in.
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:20:00 -
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you should be willing to sacrifice some isk towards your alliance tbh.
if not you should be kicked.
its not all about you, theres bigger things in the game.
imagine if ants refused to work towards building a colony because they felt they werent getting enough back ...
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
imagine if ants refused to work towards building a colony because they felt they werent getting enough back ...
Never saw an ant pay 15$/month to play colony-online either =p
- Gob
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La FemmeFatal
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:40:00 -
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You should have seen this comming really. all of your members should have. you are in an alliance that likes to scam anyone and its in your alliance decree to do this.
so now they scam there members as they know now the game is up and all is lost.
If you sleep with a wolf you cant complain after when it eats you for breakfast.
either they giveback the money or they lose there cap member base which they so need atm to fulfill there plans. |
ishkabibble
Gallente
AJAX Puppy Grinding Company
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: ishkabibble on 19/05/2007 13:48:25
nvm
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Shincheri
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Posted - 2007.05.19 13:51:00 -
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It's common sense man. The money should go back to all the players in debt.
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