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Ling Xiao Prism Project Technologies	Posted - 2007.05.19 14:02:00 - [31] Didn't the Coalition already have 3 Titans between them? One more isn't going to make much difference let's be honest. You should find a corp that better suits you. Although I guess it would be wise to stick around for a month or two in the hope you get your money back first. __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.05.19 14:11:00 - [32] Titans are nice, but using earmarked isk for other than intended purposes really will do a whole lot more harm than to any alliance. Every investment you make is a risky one. I've lost quite a bit in things a bit like that, but it's just a matter of risk managment. It didn't go so well, so what can you do. It's all about how your alliance is gonna play the next cards. We shall see... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
General Apocalypse Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.05.19 14:42:00 - [33] Hey Mittani posting whit a alt tring to divert attetinon dosen't work you'll still get guns in your face . So you fail at missinformation . If this is true thou i'd give back the money and get more dreads. Titans ain't gonna stop the capital ship armada. Thank You SkyFlyer
Caletha Reborn	Posted - 2007.05.19 15:29:00 - [34] I feel you should support your alliance / corp through thick and thin. If you do not have that faith in your alliance / corp, you should leave. *****ing within alliance / corp helps neither you or the alliance / corp. The rest doesnt matter. Your alliance / corp has decided that the titan is on the top of their list and as such goes above all. Accept that or leave. With that said, if Goonswarm is indeed your alliance then I find 40b a rather little amount in the titan fund, considering you yourself just said you loaned 2b. Thats just one of the 4000 members. Lets also assume your in Goonfleet, with their 15% tax, 1 hour of ratting per day by half of your members (2696 / 2 = 1348 members ratting for 1 hour per day), at a small 10m per hour (which is rather low in the area's you live / have lived for ages), I'm getting a corp income of 2b per hour. Somehow this 'we are broke' etc thing doesnt fly with me.
Zaphod Jones Minmatar Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.19 15:49:00 - [35] the way that Goons fund the alliance through shattered crystal affiliate scheme should more than cover costs OHGOD consists of 40 member corporations, 4077 pilots reside under its sovereignty assume that approximately 50% of that 4077 pay for their monthly subscription by purchasing a 30d GTC from shattered crystal 2038 paying buying a 30d GTC the affiliate receives $0.75 for each code $1,528.5 per month enough to buy 38 90d GTC and sell for approx 350m each total Goons could potentially receive 13,300,000,000 isk per month Celtic Anarchy is recruiting
Jesus HChrist	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:02:00 - [36] Originally by: Zaphod Jones the way that Goons fund the alliance through shattered crystal affiliate scheme should more than cover costs OHGOD consists of 40 member corporations, 4077 pilots reside under its sovereignty assume that approximately 50% of that 4077 pay for their monthly subscription by purchasing a 30d GTC from shattered crystal 2038 paying buying a 30d GTC the affiliate receives $0.75 for each code $1,528.5 per month enough to buy 38 90d GTC and sell for approx 350m each total Goons could potentially receive 13,300,000,000 isk per month didn't you hear? the IRS found out about the backhanders, and decided that its tax deductable
Leonard Darwin Rosewood Productions	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:05:00 - [37] Originally by: slothe you should be willing to sacrifice some isk towards your alliance tbh. if not you should be kicked. its not all about you, theres bigger things in the game. I think that is not the problem here. Donating ISK and loaning ISK are two very different things, and one can't change a loan to a donation just because they don't have the cash to pay it back. TBH, your alliance should have asked for donations, mine does (alt ftw!) and gets them. OP, you've been scammed. This should not be any surprise considering who you fly with. And now that you've revealed their financial situation to the public and tracking you down could be done even with a mentally challenged Persian cat, I think you might find yourself soon flying with better people. Next time, realize the type of pilots you fly with and their integrity towards others. To those people, corp/alliance mates are just secondary targets. Good luck in the future.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:13:00 - [38] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig ASCN had the first eve titan but little trust. That should answer your question. - Gob That hits the nail on the head quite nicely. Blog
VanNostrum Cataphract Securities Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:35:00 - [39] "sigiryavrusu" LOL nice name
diabolic clone Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:40:00 - [40] Originally by: Ling Xiao snip You should find a corp that better suits you. snip Generally I agree, don't sell yourself short for a corporation that won't let you speak your mind and bother to tell you when you are out of line. As far as trust or a titan, why bother. You don't have either.
Antisocial Butterfly Panty Pirates	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:07:00 - [41] err trust. your leaders shouldn't have made promises they couldn't keep, and if there's a way to put that right, they should do. regardless of the titan. (or at least have some kind of vote about what people want done with their money...if they want to wait it out, keep it towards a titan or get their money back)
Asimov Machinow	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:12:00 - [42] So lets see: You loan 2 billion to corp. You later donate 2 billion to Titan fund. Now you want the corp to take your 2 billion donation away from the Titan to pay late debts? Except that it sounds like you never even donated 2 billion for the Titan and would assume that others would like to have their donations used to pay for your poor risk management. You knew the corp was going to play with the BoB and assumed there'd be little risk of running out of money. Well sorry, you lose.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:18:00 - [43] I may be way off but it seems to me the money in the Titan Fund could build and fit roughly 200 battleships. I would think 200 Battleships > 1 Titan. A Titan is a luxury that if you are broke is silly to persue. It's like having a Rolls Royce and living in a cardboard box under a bridge. To the OP I'd say a corp/alliance's members are its greatest asset. An Alliance can exist sans a Titan. No members and there is no alliance.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:20:00 - [44] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 19/05/2007 17:19:22 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h I may be way off but it seems to me the money in the Titan Fund could build and fit roughly 200 battleships. I would think 200 Battleships > 1 Titan. A Titan is a luxury that if you are broke is silly to persue. It's like having a Rolls Royce and living in a cardboard box under a bridge. The titan is the most useful ship you could possibly build. If not for the jump bridge then for the fact that it can decimate enemy fleets and scare them into not even defending their stations. 200 battleships on the other hand they'll quite happily engage. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:23:00 - [45] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h I may be way off but it seems to me the money in the Titan Fund could build and fit roughly 200 battleships. I would think 200 Battleships > 1 Titan. A Titan is a luxury that if you are broke is silly to persue. It's like having a Rolls Royce and living in a cardboard box under a bridge. To the OP I'd say a corp/alliance's members are its greatest asset. An Alliance can exist sans a Titan. No members and there is no alliance. Its like living in an American ghetto. Section 8 public housing riddled with bullet holes and a tricked out SUV in front with spinner rims and a DVD player in the dash... This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:31:00 - [46] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 19/05/2007 17:29:17 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain The titan is the most useful ship you could possibly build. If not for the jump bridge then for the fact that it can decimate enemy fleets and scare them into not even defending their stations. 200 battleships on the other hand they'll quite happily engage. If that is so then it is a sorry comment on the tactical landscape in EVE. I guarantee you any right thinking military in the world would rather have 20 cruisers than 1 battleship. It allows for far greater tactical flexibility, allows you to cover more fronts and then there is the whole "eggs in one basket" deal to contend with. If a Titan really is THE thing for 0.0 warfare to the point that 1 is greater than 200 people in battleships it needs fixing IMO.
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:33:00 - [47] This has already been said I'm sure, but "suspended"?!? wtf, you still at school or something? I know people take all that disciplin and organisation stuff really seriously and it can be lots of fun I'm sure, but... In any case, public forum isn't the place to debate internal alliance policy. Sounds like the war bonds money has been mismanaged (assuming they didn't just lump it into the Titan fund). I wouldn't trust an alliance who can't manage their isk. So in conclusion, go for Titan. people will forget the isk if they're having fun and kicking ass..... which ofc. is exactly what a Titan does for the whole alliance..... because everyone gets a turn at playing with it...... Khaldari Research Services KPA Recruiting!
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 19/05/2007 17:29:17 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain The titan is the most useful ship you could possibly build. If not for the jump bridge then for the fact that it can decimate enemy fleets and scare them into not even defending their stations. 200 battleships on the other hand they'll quite happily engage. If that is so then it is a sorry comment on the tactical landscape in EVE. I guarantee you any right thinking military in the world would rather have 20 cruisers than 1 battleship. It allows for far greater tactical flexibility, allows you to cover more fronts and then there is the whole "eggs in one basket" deal to contend with. If a Titan really is THE thing for 0.0 warfare to the point that 1 is greater than 200 people in battleships it needs fixing IMO. he's right though, look at all the fuss just talking about titans causes. they're primarily a terror weapon. the fact that you even have a titan is as important as what you actually do with it, and the threat of unleashing it every bit as useful as actually doing so.
Keleborn Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.19 18:01:00 - [49] No one can guarantee the war bonds IPO's or ICO's (initial corp offerings) will work out in the end. While I get a kick out of seeing my enemies broke and bickering, you decided to put your trust in them, pulling out now and airing their dirty laundry behind an alt no less make you look pathetic. When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite but I don't waste my breath.
Nostic Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.05.19 20:42:00 - [50] Edited by: Nostic on 19/05/2007 20:42:40 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h I may be way off but it seems to me the money in the Titan Fund could build and fit roughly 200 battleships. I would think 200 Battleships > 1 Titan. LV's Titan destroyed nearly 200 battleships in a single shot. Even if the Goons manage to get a Titan and contribute to the visibility of how badly they need nerfed, they'll still come out in the end since their opponents have 4 with many more in production.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.19 21:55:00 - [51] You are in an alliance that mocks the concept of e-trust and e-responsibility about e-money in an internet spaceships game, and you ask a question like that? If you are in Goonswarm then you really shouldn't be worried about your money anyway, right? It is all just some fun. You really shouldn't take it all so e-seriously, that is what all those "other" players do. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:03:00 - [52] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 19/05/2007 22:02:53 You've been scammed. Deal with it. Find an alliance whose leadership you can actually trust to act in your best interest. Originally by: Avon You are in an alliance that mocks the concept of e-trust and e-responsibility about e-money in an internet spaceships game, and you ask a question like that? If you are in Goonswarm then you really shouldn't be worried about your money anyway, right? It is all just some fun. You really shouldn't take it all so e-seriously, that is what all those "other" players do. I've always found that claim interesting. Goonswarm is notorious for their black ops, massive spying operations, and lobbying efforts aimed at CCP (such as the leadership's order for their membership to post alt whines about titans on the forums). Yet they, of all alliances, claim they're just playing the game for fun and that everyone else is taking it too seriously. It doesn't make much sense to me. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:33:00 - [53] distract them with a crazy hot pants dance and then take your money back! Screw the titan, it did not do Cyvok any good (bless his soul) -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Iraf Thaiberd GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:47:00 - [54] Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 19/05/2007 22:49:24 While we'd like to thank the thread starter for the chuckles, and we hate to interrupt the weekly-scheduled "goons are dead/lost/broke/amoral/INTERNET" thread, a little background may help here. Here's another post by the same person, implying that they're in BoB at the time: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=518418&page=4#108 Screenshotted for when they edit it: http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted1.jpg And here's one where the same person is claiming to be in -V-: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=461617&page=3#63 And the screenshot for the post-edit: http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted2.jpg Conclusions? Who knows? As far as I can tell, this person is just a bad troll. The "argument" put forth in the original post makes it clear (at least to us) that this is either an awful troll by an errant member of GS or someone in another alliance. Anyway, continue with your "goons are dead/lost/broke/RA SLAVES!/amoral/INTERNET" whatever thread I guess. I won't be responding to any posts or questions because the stink of this place gives me the creeps, and I'm busy at work anyway.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:51:00 - [55] Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd While we'd like to thank the thread starter for the chuckles, and we hate to interrupt the weekly-scheduled "goons are dead/lost/broke/amoral/INTERNET" thread, a little background may help here. Here's another post by the same person, claiming to be in BoB at the time: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=518418&page=4#108 Screenshotted for when they edit it: http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted1.jpg And here's one where the same person is claiming to be in -V-: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=461617&page=3#63 And the screenshot for the post-edit: http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted2.jpg Conclusions? Who knows? As far as I can tell, this person is just a bad troll. The "argument" put forth in the original post makes it clear (at least to us) that this is either an awful troll by an errant member of GS or someone in another alliance. Anyway, continue with your "goons are dead/lost/broke/RA SLAVES!/amoral/INTERNET" whatever thread I guess. I won't be responding to any posts or questions because the stink of this place gives me the creeps, and I'm busy at work anyway. Seems like the OP needs to learn to recycle his alts... I'm guessing he has a spy in Goonswarm and wanted to make drama on the forums without revealing the identity of his spy. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:59:00 - [56] Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 19/05/2007 22:49:24 While we'd like to thank the thread starter for the chuckles, and we hate to interrupt the weekly-scheduled "goons are dead/lost/broke/amoral/INTERNET" thread, a little background may help here. Here's another post by the same person, implying that they're in BoB at the time: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=518418&page=4#108 Screenshotted for when they edit it: http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted1.jpg And here's one where the same person is claiming to be in -V-: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=461617&page=3#63 And the screenshot for the post-edit: http://graham.elitistjerks.com/busted2.jpg Conclusions? Who knows? As far as I can tell, this person is just a bad troll. The "argument" put forth in the original post makes it clear (at least to us) that this is either an awful troll by an errant member of GS or someone in another alliance. Anyway, continue with your "goons are dead/lost/broke/RA SLAVES!/amoral/INTERNET" whatever thread I guess. I won't be responding to any posts or questions because the stink of this place gives me the creeps, and I'm busy at work anyway. Served, with a side order of "lol". >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Olixia Castitatis Gallente Svefn-G-Englar	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:06:00 - [57] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 19/05/2007 17:29:17 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain The titan is the most useful ship you could possibly build. If not for the jump bridge then for the fact that it can decimate enemy fleets and scare them into not even defending their stations. 200 battleships on the other hand they'll quite happily engage. If that is so then it is a sorry comment on the tactical landscape in EVE. I guarantee you any right thinking military in the world would rather have 20 cruisers than 1 battleship. It allows for far greater tactical flexibility, allows you to cover more fronts and then there is the whole "eggs in one basket" deal to contend with. If a Titan really is THE thing for 0.0 warfare to the point that 1 is greater than 200 people in battleships it needs fixing IMO. Your comparison is wrong. While 20 cruisers might be better than a battleship, 20 cruisers are not better than an ICBM. ----------------------- <Sig goes here>
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:26:00 - [58] well u could go ratting simply build youre own ISK up before u leave and before youre alliance gets steamrolled over. Over than that see what u can get up to, pass intel along to the enemy, make more posts or just leave whatever group youre with and go somewhere else
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:30:00 - [59] Edited by: Rikeka on 19/05/2007 23:31:26 Trust is important, but a Titan is an important step for any alliance... Your corp/alliance may owe you 2b... Of course, if they lose everything they worked for, you`ll get nothing. If they win (and if they do, it may very well be because of a Titan), you may get your ISK back... I think it`s pretty easy what to do: Once you gave your isk to your superiors, you placed a bet... Be a man, and accept it. [EDIT] Stupid OP... anyway, my points are still valid.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:32:00 - [60] Look ma, I'm in a BoB alt thread.

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