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Onnawa
Minmatar Alcohol Fueled Brutality X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.05.25 05:29:00 -
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Edited by: Onnawa on 25/05/2007 05:31:15 I'm an MMO Vet. Hell....I started back in the day on UO: 2nd Age. Been around the block a couple thousand times. So, let me just re-iterate a few points for either those of you who are playing an MMO for the first time, or for those of you who are just snot-nosed narcassists......
1.) Things like this will happen.....A LOT. Just a fact of life. Programs don't write themselves, and bugs happen. Programming is 1% idea and 99% trial and error. Learn to cope.
2.) Please, for the love of God, STOP WHINING ABOUT COMPENSATION. You lost a ship....you lost a jetcan full of crapite in the belt....get over it. It's a game...you're going to loose things. I played SWG, and I hope CCP never goes down the compensation road. I spent more time getting Double XP then regular, and in the end, SOE saw compensation as their "free pass" to do whatever the hell they wanted. I'd rather not see CCP go that same way. So learn to cope.
3.) There's nothing wrong with CCP's "hardware" aside from normal wear and tear. They have the largest and most sophisticated serverset in the gaming universe. It's not "bargain basement parts from Best Buy" as I saw someone so unelloquently put it; it's a massive interlinked system that at any given time can potentially have between 50 and 70 thousand connections (yeah that's right...that many...you people who constantly keep a forum page minimized, you know who you are.) When someone finds a hardware manufacturer who can make components that will take that kind of abuse with 100% reliability 23 hours a day, let me know.....I need to buy some stock.......
4.) Stop complaning about how much we pay CCP a month....who cares if they make half a million dollars a month off us; are you accountants? Have you ever had to pay a programmer? They don't come cheap. Looked at your power bill lately for keeping your gaming machine running 24 hours a day? Feed a server. Think your cable internet bill is too high? Try paying for a backbone heavy enough to keep the lag down so 40 thousand people don't **** and moan at you. And heaven help you if they have a problem, because then you're going to catch hell for not buying your ISP service from GOD UNLIMITED, where the download and upload speeds are unlimited and absolutely free because the hand of the Divine delivers all packets directly!!! Start thinking hard about it, then be thankful it's not $25 a month. And learn to cope.
And now, for CCP's side of the blame.
Oh illustrious CCP-Gods, may we question your wisdom in the creation of EVE-Voice? Sure it may sound nifty, but is it necessary? Most every corp or alliance who is anyone (or wants to be anyone) has their own Vent/TS server already in place. Is it all that wise an idea to integrate it onto a server that is already growing at an alarming rate? Couldn't those resources be put to a better use than a service most people have already provided for themselves? I've seen recent posts of Devs kicking around ideas to "reduce server-load" up to and including doing away with asteroid belts. Insofar as I know, no one has ever said they despise the exsistence of asteroid belts, so why eliminate a tried and true section of the game mechanic? To free up server resources for a system no one really wants or needs? Is that really a good idea?
So....in summation I say again:
Grow up. Learn to cope. Stop whining about things you know nothing about and that other people have no control over.
And have a nice day.
_____________________________________ I'm not a Pirate. I just have anger management issues.......and kleptomania. |

ukt zero
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Posted - 2007.05.25 05:29:00 -
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vI'm on day 11 of my trial, and this is the first time I've EVER had a log-in problem ... and I have been playing 4-10 hours per day at different times ranging from early morning to early morning -- unless this is a long term thing, I don't see any reason at all for this outage to change my mind about subscribing when my trial is over
For the people who are going to walk away from EVE based on this one outage, you are making the right decision, because you definitely not be happy with any game, or other computer program in your life ... in fact, you will be much better off moving to a cave in the far off mountains of Tibet where you won't ever have to be exposed to any technology thatĘs more sophisticated than a pencil - it's the only way for you, really.
The only people I can see with an honest to goodness reason complaint about this are the people that have never played an online game, or a game that has patches in it ever before ... I mean, c'mon ... EVERY online game goes through this, and many games are horrendous around new patches ... I've played games that (I won't mention which game) that were literally unplayable for close to 2 weeks after a patch (thanks for that EA) - and it should be expected every once in a while that there is some down time, especially when updates are being done
Now for the new people who haven't ever played an online game - this is really how it ALL works ... there will always be players trying to exploit the game, and trying just about everything possible in the game, which makes even the smallest bugs come out - things that might not ever even be seen by the average player if it was a 1 player game ... and all of this makes it necessary to occasionally patch the game ... it will never end, and there will always be ways to improve and add onto the game - so it isn't something that only happens once or twice ... don't let something like this forge your opinion of this, or any other online games - it's a fact of life
I don't know all that much about this company that does EVE, but having scheduled downtime every day sounds like an EXCELLENT idea to prevent a lot of the problems that are common to online games
And as far as having hardware issues, and the comments about how much they make from this game, the two things don't really have that much to do with each other (and also, good for them for getting rich from this game - it's deserved!) ... no matter how well you are set up, there are always going to be issues that come up ... no matter how much you spend on your car, and no matter how well you maintain it, you are still likely to have car trouble at some point
I know that a lot of players on here have played several other online games, so I'm sure that you know that I'm telling the truth here when I say that EVE is way ahead of the pack as far as game problems
Of course it sucks that we can't play right now, but I'm glad that I know why it's down ... and that I'm not the only one with connection issues right now
Yes, this IS the worst game in history, except for every other game.
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branodn lee
Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.05.25 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Luciana Arcadia I know I shouldn't do this. But why not. So you know, this will be the last post I direct at you, you're just too stupid to merit my time. By all means, keep talking, I'm just not going to listen to you.
-----english 101-----
wow i think i might of found someone thats got some brains they need to past to there wall. please don't ever let anyone talk you out of it. hell i will even get what you need you f u c k ing ******.
Wow! (caps and introduction punctuation) I (cap) think I (cap) might have (preposition usage) found someone that's (conjunction) got some brains (period) they need to past to there wall. (makes no sense, or due to poor sentence composition, I can't make this out) Please (cap) don't ever let anyone talk you out of it. h\Hell (cap) I (cap) will even get what you need you f u c k ing ******.
-----end lesson-----
I see that you're angry and too stupid to put your thoughts into words. Ah well, good words anyway. Maybe this post will enlighten you to what you could be doing differently.
As I've said before and will be saying here the last time. You don't merit my attention, you are simply below me. This will be the last post to you.
-Toodles!
omg thats so great. all i have to do to get to you is just talk bad. wow i feel sorry for any kids you might have. you might just beat them if they don't speak or type with proper grammar. so why not just eat s h i t and die.
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Fryke
Caldari CRESCENT Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.25 05:39:00 -
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Edited by: Fryke on 25/05/2007 05:39:39 I got a character login failure.
But the strange thing is that my alt works fine.
Edit: Finally logged on.
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Kor Leonis
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Posted - 2007.05.25 05:45:00 -
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Wow, lots of whining and complaining. Boohoo, you lost a ship. Waaa, you're not gonna continue once your trial is up. Who cares? What I'd really like to see is input from CCP on when normal service will resume. I got mission bonuses expiring here.
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branodn lee
Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.05.25 06:03:00 -
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ok so is anyone noticing that the server is starting to pop again.
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TVPR
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Posted - 2007.05.25 07:44:00 -
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Well, at least myeve. is back up...
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Arii Smith
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.05.25 07:45:00 -
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I should have known better than to switch back to my short skill, lolz. Oh well, hopefully in six hours they get this **** sorted.
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Captain Howdy001
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Posted - 2007.05.25 07:52:00 -
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last time i seen this much lag on any comp it had been infected with a viruse.... hmmm perhaps i should reformat and wait out this problem. just to make sure
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Woulvesbaine
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Posted - 2007.05.25 07:53:00 -
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11 hour skill set ftw
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Captain Howdy001
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Posted - 2007.05.25 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: TVPR Well, at least myeve. is back up...
only to see it go back down 2 min later ROFLMAO
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Kaifikus
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:04:00 -
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We are geting closer to the start time
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Trokiel
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:04:00 -
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When patch day rolls around....I ALWAYS set a long skill training (at least 2 days). That gives CCP time to sort out any problems such as replacing the hamsters, etc. This gave me time to go out and work in my garden a bit and just generally enjoy the outside even tho its after midnite here.
Lets give Kudos to the CCP team for working so hard on satisfying all the whiners that dont have a life.
Once again, thanks guys...the weeds were getting out of control in my garden. LOL.
No matter where you go, there you are. PUPPIES, mother natures health food.
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Captain Howdy001
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Howdy001 on 25/05/2007 08:06:34 any one want to place bets on if there will be a restart pryor to the shut down? i bet there will be.
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Relativaty
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:08:00 -
[195]
CCP should make so you cant alt tab.In Final Fantasy Online one cant alt tab and the game is just as fun.
This will help make the game much more stable since most wont bother looking for a way around not being able to alttab.
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Kaifikus
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:09:00 -
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I think we are going to play in a few moments - that's my bet
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Equinox WhiteWolf
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Onnawa Edited by: Onnawa on 25/05/2007 05:31:15 I'm an MMO Vet. Hell....I started back in the day on UO: 2nd Age. Been around the block a couple thousand times. So, let me just re-iterate a few points for either those of you who are playing an MMO for the first time, or for those of you who are just snot-nosed narcassists......
1.) Things like this will happen.....A LOT. Just a fact of life. Programs don't write themselves, and bugs happen. Programming is 1% idea and 99% trial and error. Learn to cope.
2.) Please, for the love of God, STOP WHINING ABOUT COMPENSATION. You lost a ship....you lost a jetcan full of crapite in the belt....get over it. It's a game...you're going to loose things. I played SWG, and I hope CCP never goes down the compensation road. I spent more time getting Double XP then regular, and in the end, SOE saw compensation as their "free pass" to do whatever the hell they wanted. I'd rather not see CCP go that same way. So learn to cope.
3.) There's nothing wrong with CCP's "hardware" aside from normal wear and tear. They have the largest and most sophisticated serverset in the gaming universe. It's not "bargain basement parts from Best Buy" as I saw someone so unelloquently put it; it's a massive interlinked system that at any given time can potentially have between 50 and 70 thousand connections (yeah that's right...that many...you people who constantly keep a forum page minimized, you know who you are.) When someone finds a hardware manufacturer who can make components that will take that kind of abuse with 100% reliability 23 hours a day, let me know.....I need to buy some stock.......
Right on. I've been playing mmo's for a long time myself and not one of them is 100% free of problems 100% of the time. Be amazed and thankful so many users can connect to eve with minimal lag. I bet SOE wishes they could pull that off. I was worried it was my computer playing games with me again when I started eve and it told me their were corrupt files. I'm just glad it's not my computer, and just a NORMAL EVENT WITH ANY MMO! Oh and Onnawa, I agree compleatly with you about the compensation bit with SOE. Once was nice, twice was okay, by the third time I was saying enough.
About the eve voice, which problems I was not aware of, I hope to god they don't do away with asteroid belts to keep it... I'm mainly a miner and... I wonder what I would mine..... Anyway people, they'll get it working when they get it working. It takes time to sort through what's working and what's not. I'm missing playing right now, but such is life. Nothing works all the time, if it did... I wouldn't have had to pay so much to have my 360 repaired 1 year to the day after purchase, but again such is life.
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foehammer mk2
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:10:00 -
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what i'ld like to know is this, are CCP going to be making any reimbursements for the frequency of downtime due to*****ed up patch deployments (i doubt it), or even add a few days extra gametime onto an account (i doubt it).
Getting a litle fed up with messages like status unknown, starting up, not accepting connections.
Come on CCP - why are you not running a full redundancy setup to cover issues like this??? I know that the frequency of downtime lately is very very annoying and a lot of people are getting upset (to put it nicely)
......Rant Over.
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Gibb0
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:13:00 -
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You'll not like the latest 'Not accepting connections' message then :/
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Chelone
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:15:00 -
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Why can't we just get a "Status: Borked". Shorter, and more accurate.
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foehammer mk2
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gibb0 You'll not like the latest 'Not accepting connections' message then :/
Quite!
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Armoured C
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: Armoured C on 25/05/2007 08:22:39 it not about the game having problems gfor the "vet poster a couple of post back
it all about that they do regular server stuff every day for a hour to AVOID problems like this and got patch time to sort out problems so we already "deal" with it every day for a hour it would be different if they did so server stuff everyday BUT they do so this is unexectable that they are not offering compensation to ships lost whent hey are saying that it is not there fault when NODE death and major game effecting lag
as a vet you should of known that they do server issues everyday to PREVENT THIS PROBLEM
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Bernardo Guii
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:17:00 -
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NOTE: taken from the other thread they just locked...
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Tod Klemp I think todays patch needs a rollback.
No. We need more features. We need more useless objects in space. We need new graphic engine, because we don't want to play the game, we want to watch it.
After those changes, EVE can officialy be called "turn based game". It's almost there, just few bits and pieces missing...
LOL.... I mean.... OUCH! Damn, don't you hate it when someone posts one that hits so close to home?
I am convinced that, at it's core, CCP is company of (usually drunk?) graphic designers.
Why else would we be discussing "walking in stations" for a space COMBAT game? Why else would the game reset the camera to fully zoomed-in after every gate or undock...? "hey, look at my artwork! revel in my handicraft!"
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Kaifikus
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:17:00 -
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I am In enjoy the game)))
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Mythrell
Minmatar ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:17:00 -
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Makes me kind of wonder if we have extended downtime today? 
Come on CCP, you can do it. Just put some boosters in and pwn the bugs.
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Captain Howdy001
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:19:00 -
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wow Equinox WhiteWolf, im not sure what to say..... do you complain about any thing or do you allways give up ans accept things this easy? i go some beach front property for sale located on the moon it ha oil wells and condos on 1 dollar per lot. if you necver complain you should be happy with this offer., after all it not perfect lol
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Captain Howdy001
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:20:00 -
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wow Equinox WhiteWolf, im not sure what to say..... do you complain about any thing or do you allways give up ans accept things this easy? i go some beach front property for sale located on the moon it ha oil wells and condos on 1 dollar per lot. if you necver complain you should be happy with this offer., after all it not perfect lol
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