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Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:03:00 - [1] Okay in march this thread was posted http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=483930 I personally thought it sounded like an okay idea, although in truth its pretty similar to other rent paying plans. The rent was pretty low and it looked like a good deal. Now I have lived in Omist for 3 years with my corp, and have seen many alliances come and go. The best time in omist was under LV with DSA. We had alot of freedom to develop the region, and a number of people personally spent hours setting up things for the region. Alas this didnt get into place soon enough as the Ragoon/LV war kicked off leaving omist lacking resorces. The region pretty much died after that, with the market falling apart. I stayed on due to the considerable assets i had and joined the FTZ. Now is it not ironic that the "free" trade zone not only asks for rent but also has a number of rules that give Ragoon exclusive rights to pretty much anything they want. I know we were told we couldnt run the plex, though noone else seemed interested (i remember RA camping it 24/7 when you could exploit plexs) Suffice to say its been an interesting time and i realise i have rambled off topic. My question is what happens to all the FTZ people who paid goon and moved to omist only for bob to roll though? What infact will happen to FTZ as an entity? The message in the omist defence channel has been "if you havnt already got your stuff out of the stations, then you are f***" for a while, so obviously there is not much confidence. This is not intended to be flame bait, more just to see how people involved feel about all this, moving out only to lose your home with no support from the people you paid tax to, tax that was meant to strengthen the region you were in. Anyway i shall sit back and put my flame ****ent suit and tinfoil hat on and see how things go.
The Tumaril Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:09:00 - [2] And now realization sets in....why didn't we side with BoB...? I used to have a sig but CCP nerfed meh! Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected][
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:10:00 - [3] It's always easier to destroy than to build, as it were. Some people enjoy building castles in the sky, while others enjoy firing cannonballs at said castles. The far greater majority of players in Eve like to blow stuff up, not much around deploying outposts, doing POS work or any of the other mundane things that make blowing stuff up possible. On that note, it's always easier to take a fight to somebody else's space, so you don't have to defend yours. If the bad guys are defending their space, they aren't attacking yours. On the flip side, you aren't defending yours either, if somebody else decides to come knocking. Anyway, are you saying you are surprised? I mean, with the Goons playstyle it was pretty obvious how Omist was going to end up... Just my opinion.
IntegralHellsing Gallente The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:11:00 - [4] Originally by: The Tumaril And now realization sets in....why didn't we side with BoB...? people can regret about the past at the present, but they realize it's too late :P --------------------------------------
Rake Mizar Freelance Assassins	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:22:00 - [5] Originally by: Aeleva ....The message in the omist defence channel has been "if you havnt already got your stuff out of the stations, then you are f***" for a while, so obviously there is not much confidence. Funny, that was pretty much the same comment in the Omist security channel when LV could no longer keep the Goons out. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, huh? Well thanks for letting me know why all my old sell orders down there quit getting activity. WTB: T2 Exotic Dancers**
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Gungankllr It's always easier to destroy than to build, as it were. I tell ya.. I've helped to build alot of outposts, and I've helped to invade a lot of regions.. and being someone on both sides of the ball it is far easier to build then it is to destroy. There's nothing easy about motivating the troops, maintaining supply lines, keeping everyone in ships, seiging pos's, playing with stront timers, setting up cyno chains, and jumping capital ships around... and THEN making it all work better than the other guy. ONE GUY - (As prometheus proved so many times for us) can do all the leg work to build an outpost, get it in position, then all you have to do is call 50 people with iteron V's and 450 more with NPC kitted ships to blob a system for a few hours before downtime and you have an outpost. Rinse and repeat 19 times, and voila, you've developed a region, built castles, or whatever you wanna call it. All it takes is ISK, and a lot of people mining/ratting/plexing. There's nothing hard about building and developing regions, it just takes some time, some patience, and some isk. Conquering takes that, plus a heckuva lot of skill in about 4 more disciplines. I know, been there, done that, got the t-shirt. On topic, if you are interested in staying in Omist, sincerely, please contact your friendly neighborhood BoB representitive. I'm sure you'll find our fabulous station leasing options quite competitive with other so called 'rental' agreements, and you've got the Band of BrothersÖ Name Backing you up. BoB: The only name to know in Space RentalsÖ :) -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Hermia HIVE X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:01:00 - [7] Renters shouldn't expect protection against marauders or expect to see their tax bolster regional stability. Your on your own. If there is a worth to the rent/tax, then its the guarantee that your shipping wont get blasted by immediate local forces. Its worth it in my opinion, small corps need to start somewhere and this foot-in-the-door is the ticket. I spoke with Amerame (co-planner of the FTZ) back last summer and managed to arrange my pitiful corp some rights to a system in wicked creak. It help us no end in understanding 0.0 fundamentals. From the tone of that last sentence, yeah, im leaving HIVE/X-Pact and its lack of dirrection. I'll be doing the renting thing again with my mates, it served me well in the past.
ElCholo Minmatar FarCry Inc Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:03:00 - [8] Originally by: KSUDruid On topic, if you are interested in staying in Omist, sincerely, please contact your friendly neighborhood BoB representitive. I'm sure you'll find our fabulous station leasing options quite competitive with other so called 'rental' agreements, and you've got the Band of BrothersÖ Name Backing you up. BoB: The only name to know in Space RentalsÖ :) I @ that
General Apocalypse Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:04:00 - [9] It becamed a Fu*k Trade Zone and everyone left ? Thank You SkyFlyer
DTee The Huns Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:10:00 - [10] Edited by: DTee on 24/05/2007 19:10:42 Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: Gungankllr It's always easier to destroy than to build, as it were. BoB: The only name to know in Space RentalsÖ :) 5***** EXCELLENT SERVICE GREAT SELLER WILL BUY FROM AGAIN... @OP You should never rely on other people to defend your space.

killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:12:00 - [11] Originally by: KSUDruid I'm sure you'll find our fabulous station leasing options quite competitive with other so called 'rental' agreements, and you've got the Band of BrothersÖ Name Backing you up. BoB: The only name to know in Space RentalsÖ :) made me Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo
Zakalwe FinFleet	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:20:00 - [12] Originally by: Aeleva Okay in march this thread was posted http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=483930 Stoooop ! Ah ! thank you my friend, i did not want miss that for anything in the (Eve) world ! Lol Lol Lol !!! Ive ask Amerame (Bitter Soul in english...) for weeks to explain me the concept of FTZ he never answered, never... Maybe because ive ask the BAD question : do RA space will be FTZ because, remember, this concept explained that it'd eradicate FEUDALISM in Eve... In one word : we are the good guys They are the bad guys (Lv/BoB) But, guys, we owe so much to RA, that they're not be a part of this concept. No, no, no...only the bad guys haven't the right to do so in Eve, only them ! Our MACTEP, sorry Masters, them, they do what they want ( it's our Masters, get me mate..) and no... it do not prevent us to give to the community lessons of liberty, freedom... no, we are on the good side you know mate... Synthetic summary of Amerame speech... It's pathethic. Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
Duke Grail Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Zakalwe Originally by: Aeleva Okay in march this thread was posted http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=483930 Stoooop ! Ah ! thank you my friend, i did not want miss that for anything in the (Eve) world ! Lol Lol Lol !!! Ive ask Amerame (Bitter Soul in english...) for weeks to explain me the concept of FTZ he never answered, never... Maybe because ive ask the BAD question : do RA space will be FTZ because, remember, this concept explained that it'd eradicate FEUDALISM in Eve... In one word : we are the good guys They are the bad guys (Lv/BoB) But, guys, we owe so much to RA, that they're not be a part of this concept. No, no, no...only the bad guys haven't the right to do so in Eve, only them ! Our MACTEP, sorry Masters, them, they do what they want ( it's our Masters, get me mate..) and no... it do not prevent us to give to the community lessons of liberty, freedom... no, we are on the good side you know mate... Synthetic summary of Amerame speech... It's pathethic. can you get someone who speaks english to translate that, the only thing i got out of your post is that you don't like ra/goon, and that's from your corp ticker.
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.05.24 20:09:00 - [14] Originally by: KSUDruid ONE GUY - (As prometheus proved so many times for us) can do all the leg work to build an outpost, get it in position, then all you have to do is call 50 people with iteron V's and 450 more with NPC kitted ships to blob a system for a few hours before downtime and you have an outpost. Rinse and repeat 19 times, and voila, you've developed a region, built castles, or whatever you wanna call it. All it takes is ISK, and a lot of people mining/ratting/plexing. There's nothing hard about building and developing regions, it just takes some time, some patience, and some isk. You understate your case. All it takes to develop a region is for CCP to spawn a bunch of Blood Raider npc stations. As you say, "voila".
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.24 20:35:00 - [15] Originally by: James 315 Originally by: KSUDruid ONE GUY - (As prometheus proved so many times for us) can do all the leg work to build an outpost, get it in position, then all you have to do is call 50 people with iteron V's and 450 more with NPC kitted ships to blob a system for a few hours before downtime and you have an outpost. Rinse and repeat 19 times, and voila, you've developed a region, built castles, or whatever you wanna call it. All it takes is ISK, and a lot of people mining/ratting/plexing. There's nothing hard about building and developing regions, it just takes some time, some patience, and some isk. You understate your case. All it takes to develop a region is for CCP to spawn a bunch of Blood Raider npc stations. As you say, "voila". That was actually my fault. You see, I put them there when I realized I was going to need somewhere to store the loot when I seeded the complexes.
Ace Frehley Minmatar Fist of the Empire	Posted - 2007.05.24 20:37:00 - [16] I thought the concept with FTZ was to invite alot of corps with 0 experience of 0.0 life, let the gankers gank them instead of TCF/Goon/RA mining/npc-gangs _______________________________________________ Beer, Eve and no shaved babes!!! is that oki then? My slogans always gets nerfed \o/ Oh a new one: Beer, eve and play neekid!!
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.24 21:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: James 315 You understate your case. All it takes to develop a region is for CCP to spawn a bunch of Blood Raider npc stations. As you say, "voila". That was actually my fault. You see, I put them there when I realized I was going to need somewhere to store the loot when I seeded the complexes. I was right all along!
Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2007.05.24 21:12:00 - [18] In all honesty, what is the difference between living under bob or under goon or under anyone? From what ive seen they all give you varying degrees of control over your space, obviously depending on if its an alliance renting, or a "rent alliance" like FTZ. I think the main difference is that when your enemy come to try and pos spam your home system, BoB are actually able to bring in help and assist. Though i understand that day to day security is always up to the residents. I think mabey the project was a bit ambitious for goon to run, without the high end capital resorces to hold the systems. Oh and if anyone can remember all the alliances that have held omist since may 04 ill be impressed. Off the top of my head i can think of - Xetic, RA, ASCN, SE, SA, KOS, LV/DSA, Goon, BoB. <- in no particular order :D I wouldn't mind piecing together some of the history of the region.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.24 21:19:00 - [19] Simple answer, FTZ relocates to empire while we secure rest of Omist. Once thats done we can negotiate. But keep in mind, nothing is free in EvE.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.24 21:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Kryztal Simple answer, FTZ relocates to empire while we secure rest of Omist. Once thats done we can negotiate. But keep in mind, nothing is free in EvE. And if you DO find stuff that is free, please let me know, I'll find a way to charge for it one day :) Reikoku Diplomatic Forums

Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 21:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Aeleva In all honesty, what is the difference between living under bob or under goon or under anyone? From what ive seen they all give you varying degrees of control over your space, obviously depending on if its an alliance renting, or a "rent alliance" like FTZ. I think the main difference is that when your enemy come to try and pos spam your home system, BoB are actually able to bring in help and assist. Though i understand that day to day security is always up to the residents. I think mabey the project was a bit ambitious for goon to run, without the high end capital resorces to hold the systems. Oh and if anyone can remember all the alliances that have held omist since may 04 ill be impressed. Off the top of my head i can think of - Xetic, RA, ASCN, SE, SA, KOS, LV/DSA, Goon, BoB. <- in no particular order :D I wouldn't mind piecing together some of the history of the region. The difference is simple and is basically one of symantics. BoB has never disguised what they are doing by renting out space and sharing standings. The FTZ, on the other hand, was a doomed effort at propaganda to try to fund an alliance that has no isk and no dedicated players (beyond greifers) to raise isk or infrastructure. @OP: If you want to know the future of the FTZ, go read the original announcement post, and read all the replies from people that said it would: fail, become a pirate paradise, suck to live in, or be recaptured by someone else. To everyone that actually sent isk the goonswarm.... how stupid can you be?
Aeryn Davenport Claflin Industries	Posted - 2007.05.24 21:46:00 - [22] Originally by: Aeleva In all honesty, what is the difference between living under bob or under goon or under anyone? From what ive seen they all give you varying degrees of control over your space, obviously depending on if its an alliance renting, or a "rent alliance" like FTZ. I think the main difference is that when your enemy come to try and pos spam your home system, BoB are actually able to bring in help and assist. Though i understand that day to day security is always up to the residents. I think mabey the project was a bit ambitious for goon to run, without the high end capital resorces to hold the systems. Oh and if anyone can remember all the alliances that have held omist since may 04 ill be impressed. Off the top of my head i can think of - Xetic, RA, ASCN, SE, SA, KOS, LV/DSA, Goon, BoB. <- in no particular order :D I wouldn't mind piecing together some of the history of the region. Another difference is that BoB is much more professional in handling rental relationships. When you rent from them you can get exclusive access to the resources in an area, or at least total access. They don't have any stupid rules like that you have to leave if a BoB members says to. The fact that RAGOON does stuff like that shows how immature and idiotic they are. Who pays rent just to be told off by any random member? There is always the off chance that BoB will decide to boot you from the region, as with any relationship like that. But really look at Omist. It's not a resource rich area. I severely doubt BoB would ever have any interest in it what-so-ever besides eliminating pockets of hostility. I'm not even sure they'd care about the complex since its not a 10/10. I'm not sure how profitable it is though. Coalition members are always surprised at why BoB's renters have stuck with BoB. Guess what? It's because they've been treated pretty fairly for the most part.
Kin Hanyerec Viziam	Posted - 2007.05.24 21:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Kryztal Simple answer, FTZ relocates to empire while we secure rest of Omist. Once thats done we can negotiate. But keep in mind, nothing is free in EvE. And if you DO find stuff that is free, please let me know, I'll find a way to charge for it one day :) Free ships are already mine !
Astro Fizzicks Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.05.24 22:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Kryztal Simple answer, FTZ relocates to empire while we secure rest of Omist. Once thats done we can negotiate. But keep in mind, nothing is free in EvE. And if you DO find stuff that is free, please let me know, I'll find a way to charge for it one day :) On a slightly different note: If anyone else is fed up of having paid for a game that has been fraudulently handled by it's makers, where one of their employees basically ran BOB's cap fleet (which has more supercaps in than everyone elses put together, coincidentally) Don't bother complaining to BOB err CCP, whatever. Mail their new partners 'white wolf', perhaps they can put pressure on BOB/CCP to clean the game up: [email protected]
Adeptus mecanicus The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.05.24 22:18:00 - [25] in free trade you can decide "if" you want station acsess or not and the level of it, but as a BoB said right after the thread start "why not you go fore the BoB deal?" well BoB dont use vaseline......
Lsf	Posted - 2007.05.24 22:27:00 - [26] Edited by: Lsf on 24/05/2007 22:26:42 ~
Lsf XXi Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.05.24 22:28:00 - [27] Its cool because Omist is obviously the only region ftz has access too. Nice troll OP.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.24 22:43:00 - [28] Welcome to BoB OnlineÖ ¬2007 CCP Games -------------------------------------
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.24 22:49:00 - [29] Originally by: KSUDruid On topic, if you are interested in staying in Omist, sincerely, please contact your friendly neighborhood BoB representitive. I'm sure you'll find our fabulous station leasing options quite competitive with other so called 'rental' agreements, and you've got the Band of BrothersÖ Name Backing you up. BoB: The only name to know in Space RentalsÖ :) I fully endorse this product. Excellent landlords, Fine quality homes, and Service with a smile.
Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2007.05.24 22:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Lsf XXi Its cool because Omist is obviously the only region ftz has access too. Nice troll OP. The point is that there was no defence of omist, it was just abandoned. Doesnt bode well for the rest of the FTZ does it? Rent wise i paid goon for a brief time when it was low, soon as the new "system" came into place and said 420mil a month we started planning to leave. Ive already seen one change in who handles rent as the old system was apparently disorganised with no real logs kept of who paid what to whom. But no i dont want to troll, just interested in discussion relating to this and how people perceive it.

ishkabibble Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.24 23:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Aeleva Originally by: Lsf XXi Its cool because Omist is obviously the only region ftz has access too. Nice troll OP. ....just interested in discussion relating to this and how people perceive it. Great vision in theory, unachievable in reality. As long as 0.0 is conquerable space, there will ALWAYS be someone after it. Remember its real estate with tons of resources on it, the EvE gods arent making any more of it. 0.0 is a limited resource, and EvE pilots have an unlimited need for it. You can't fix "Stupid" - Comedian Ron White
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.24 23:38:00 - [32] Originally by: Astro Fizzicks Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Kryztal Simple answer, FTZ relocates to empire while we secure rest of Omist. Once thats done we can negotiate. But keep in mind, nothing is free in EvE. And if you DO find stuff that is free, please let me know, I'll find a way to charge for it one day :) On a slightly different note: If anyone else is fed up of having paid for a game that has been fraudulently handled by it's makers, where one of their employees basically ran BOB's cap fleet (which has more supercaps in than everyone elses put together, coincidentally) Don't bother complaining to BOB err CCP, whatever. Mail their new partners 'white wolf', perhaps they can put pressure on BOB/CCP to clean the game up: [email protected] You know that CCP employees are also members of other alliances other than BOB don't you, maybe even the same alliance that your main is in.
FGxHalsey Freedom Guard	Posted - 2007.05.24 23:43:00 - [33] FTZ is a good idea and good in implementation. Corporations get access to 0.0 space with no defense requirements put on them and access costs a fraction of what it does in other "rent" schemes. Other advantages include being are free to create markets, mine, rat, etc with very few restrictions compared to offers other alliances give you and you can travel to any region within allied space. Lets remember some of the disadvantages of siding with a tennant scheme like BoB's. - BoB will shoot you on sight if you wander too far from your assigned systems and assigned path to empire. - WAY more expensive to the tune of billions per month for only a handful of systems. - BoB dictates that you defend the system yourselves or defend other systems should they need your assistance. So not only do you spend alot of money, but essentially you are paying for the privelege of defending someone else's space. - BoB may be able to garuantee sov in certain regions, but they can't garuantee security. They promise security but for the mostpart you are left to fend for yourself. - Remember BoB is the one who came up with the term 'pet' to describe their tennants. I don't know about you, but there are alot of intelligent and cool people in every alliance and for one group to call their own allies, "pets" just sits wrong. People like RISE and specifically sturmgrenadier, whom I've known since planetside days... and FIX, a very respectable alliance who fought BoB and 5 other alliances at the same time, and many other smaller groups who are great players Why in the world would such good groups put up with their own ally calling them a pet? Why would they, good pvp players, pay money to play a game that involves them grinding to pay someone else in the game for the privilege of being dealt with from a standpoint of arrogance? So to answer your question, in 0.0 there are no garuantees of security wherever you go. Goonswarm didn't promise complete safety to the FTZ guys, just relative safety and a strong effort to fight off attackers. These promises are being fulfilled.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.24 23:44:00 - [34] Originally by: KSUDruid BoB: The only name to know in Space RentalsÖ :) Why would anyone rent space from anyone other then BoB? ItÆs not the stations and refining fees that people are paying for. ItÆs for the protection that BoB wonÆt kill them and that they can actually learn something about how to really exists in 0.0. ItÆs really a very small price to pay imo. BoB should charge more. The truth will set you free
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 23:47:00 - [35] Originally by: NATMav Welcome to BoB OnlineÖ ¬2007 CCP Games If you don't like it there are plenty of other games out there.
Velsharoon Gallente Endgame.	Posted - 2007.05.24 23:49:00 - [36] Originally by: FGxHalsey Edited by: FGxHalsey on 24/05/2007 23:43:54 a pile of **** How about you let the bob renters ask what they get out of it. People vote with their feet. Who is running now?
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 23:49:00 - [37] Originally by: Astro Fizzicks Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Kryztal Simple answer, FTZ relocates to empire while we secure rest of Omist. Once thats done we can negotiate. But keep in mind, nothing is free in EvE. And if you DO find stuff that is free, please let me know, I'll find a way to charge for it one day :) On a slightly different note: If anyone else is fed up of having paid for a game that has been fraudulently handled by it's makers, where one of their employees basically ran BOB's cap fleet (which has more supercaps in than everyone elses put together, coincidentally) Don't bother complaining to BOB err CCP, whatever. Mail their new partners 'white wolf', perhaps they can put pressure on BOB/CCP to clean the game up: [email protected] That poor, poor horse. He was dead and buried, but you dug him up, defiled him, did nasty things to it, resurrected it, and beat it to death again. My official reply can be found in my last post.
FGxHalsey Freedom Guard	Posted - 2007.05.24 23:50:00 - [38] Edited by: FGxHalsey on 24/05/2007 23:50:32 Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: KSUDruid BoB: The only name to know in Space RentalsÖ :) Why would anyone rent space from anyone other then BoB? ItÆs not the stations and refining fees that people are paying for. ItÆs for the protection that BoB wonÆt kill them and that they can actually learn something about how to really exists in 0.0. ItÆs really a very small price to pay imo. BoB should charge more. Perhaps they don't want to be treated like lesser human beings? Listen to your own words, "ItÆs for the protection that BoB wonÆt kill them." You know there are people in this game who do not fear BoB and infact, get along just fine in supposed "BoB" space even though they are enemies of them.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.24 23:55:00 - [39] Originally by: FGxHalsey Perhaps they don't want to be treated like lesser human beings? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]

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Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 00:04:00 - [41] Originally by: FGxHalsey Perhaps they don't want to be treated like lesser human beings? Oh, those people? That's okay, we don't want the delusional ones. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
FGxHalsey Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.25 00:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Avon Originally by: FGxHalsey Perhaps they don't want to be treated like lesser human beings? Oh, those people? That's okay, we don't want the delusional ones. When it comes to enemies, anything goes.
Enthes goldhart Gallente Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.25 00:13:00 - [43] Originally by: FGxHalsey [ Lets remember some of the disadvantages of siding with a tennant scheme like BoB's. - BoB will shoot you on sight if you wander too far from your assigned systems and assigned path to empire. - WAY more expensive to the tune of billions per month for only a handful of systems. - BoB dictates that you defend the system yourselves or defend other systems should they need your assistance. So not only do you spend alot of money, but essentially you are paying for the privelege of defending someone else's space. - BoB may be able to garuantee sov in certain regions, but they can't garuantee security. They promise security but for the mostpart you are left to fend for yourself. - Remember BoB is the one who came up with the term 'pet' to describe their tennants. I don't know about you, but there are alot of intelligent and cool people in every alliance and for one group to call their own allies, "pets" just sits wrong. as far as i know bob dont shoot blues. as for the rest defending your own space is the whole point of 0.0 if u cant do that yourself then dont deserve that bit of space anyway. what bob does is provide pos war security so that RA wont decide that they want that solar system and kill the pos's that a small alliance has worked so hard for. as for the word pet i dont care as its just a word. tbh i think anyone would rather be with bob then goon just because of the way they act.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 00:58:00 - [44] Originally by: FGxHalsey Edited by: FGxHalsey on 24/05/2007 23:50:32 Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: KSUDruid BoB: The only name to know in Space RentalsÖ :) Why would anyone rent space from anyone other then BoB? ItÆs not the stations and refining fees that people are paying for. ItÆs for the protection that BoB wonÆt kill them and that they can actually learn something about how to really exists in 0.0. ItÆs really a very small price to pay imo. BoB should charge more. Perhaps they don't want to be treated like lesser human beings? Listen to your own words, "ItÆs for the protection that BoB wonÆt kill them." You know there are people in this game who do not fear BoB and infact, get along just fine in supposed "BoB" space even though they are enemies of them. BoB lives in your goonies little free trade zone. WhatÆs your point? You donÆt have to rent from BoB. You donÆt have to fear BoB either. But if youÆre not blue, then youÆll get shot at. You have a problem with that? Too bad. As for your description of renting space from BoB, I donÆt see any of BoB tenets complaining about BoB not honoring any agreements, providing protection or being treated like a lesser human beings. You canÆt say the same, now can you? You have no idea what benefits BoB renters get beyond any isk or space security, but just look up north at the job BoB allies and renters are doing. Get the idea? No? Again. Too bad. Tic-Toc RIP The truth will set you free
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 01:15:00 - [45] Good Afternoon to you FGxHalsey! I'm so glad you decided to inquire about BoB's Space Leasing ProgramÖ. I'll be happy to answer your question and dispell a few myths about the fantastic leasing options we have available. 1. BoB Maintence Agents and Land Patroll Officers will NEVER fire upon a BoB space LeasingÖ Tenant. Since 1871 BoB Space Rentals have been FFFÖ (friendly fire free) and we pride ourselves on having some of the best pilots in the industry (We don't shoot blues... ever.. one of our biggest rules) 2. Our prices are by far some of the most competitive in the space rental industry. One of our newest tenants reported they were paying in excess of 10m/isk per member, per month to GoonSwarm IncÖ and they never so much as gave them a dedicated piece of space, tower rights, corporate or alliance discounts, or the ability to use the patented BoB "Loan a constellation" program, which has shown to be the most effective alliance development program, in the 4 year history of New Eden. Get a quote today by speaking to a BoB representitive. 3. We offer all our tenants the ability to tune their own PVP skills against small raiding parties without interference from BoB Regulatory Agents. If you get a nasty bee infestation in your station, and the structural integrity of your home is in question? BoB Exterminators will make arrangements with you to work your specialized BoB Bee Eradacation AgentsÖ who specialize in removing that pesky tower spam from your backyard. 4. The term 'pet' is for your Dogs, Cats, and Slaver Hounds (which are of course welcome in all BoB leased stations). 5. Our Clientelle list includes the Real-Deal names in the PVP and Zero-Zero business today. People like RISE, Sturmgrenadier, FIX, Axiom, Exuro-Mortis (the burning orphans till ***s me up, those silly guys) and of course, the superstars of the south, everyone's favorite, The Mercenary Coalition. All these outstanding names in the business have seen the promised land, and made a leasing arrangment with BoB Space RentalsÖ Don't take my word for it, here's what our great tenants have said: Originally by:** Warsyn "A year ago I was a spineless carebear. Then I took a lease from BoB. Now I find my erectile dysfuntion has completely disappeared and i've even had my balls regrow." Originally by: ViRiii "Since we joined BoB, i've been able to walk again!" Originally by: Akyan "A survey of BoB renters has found that 95% have had more sex since the start of their lease" I mean, there you have it.. How can one company have so many satisfied clients? One Word: Quality The Quality you'll get as a member of the BoB Space Leasing ProgramÖ will change your life. Make sure to see your nearest BoB Leasing Agent Today and Sign Up! BoB: The only Name in Space RentalsÖ -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
DeltaH NOBODY Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.25 01:17:00 - [46] Originally by: FGxHalsey Lets remember some of the disadvantages of siding with a tennant scheme like BoB's. - BoB will shoot you on sight if you wander too far from your assigned systems and assigned path to empire. - WAY more expensive to the tune of billions per month for only a handful of systems. - BoB dictates that you defend the system yourselves or defend other systems should they need your assistance. So not only do you spend alot of money, but essentially you are paying for the privelege of defending someone else's space. - BoB may be able to garuantee sov in certain regions, but they can't garuantee security. They promise security but for the mostpart you are left to fend for yourself. - Remember BoB is the one who came up with the term 'pet' to describe their tennants. I don't know about you, but there are alot of intelligent and cool people in every alliance and for one group to call their own allies, "pets" just sits wrong. Very well informed post.
ishkabibble Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.25 01:27:00 - [47] Originally by: KSUDruid Good Afternoon to you FGxHalsey! I'm so glad you decided to inquire about BoB's Space Leasing ProgramÖ. I'll be happy to answer your question and dispell a few myths about the fantastic leasing options we have available. 1. BoB Maintence Agents and Land Patroll Officers will NEVER fire upon a BoB space LeasingÖ Tenant. Since 1871 BoB Space Rentals have been FFFÖ (friendly fire free) and we pride ourselves on having some of the best pilots in the industry (We don't shoot blues... ever.. one of our biggest rules) 2. Our prices are by far some of the most competitive in the space rental industry. One of our newest tenants reported they were paying in excess of 10m/isk per member, per month to GoonSwarm IncÖ and they never so much as gave them a dedicated piece of space, tower rights, corporate or alliance discounts, or the ability to use the patented BoB "Loan a constellation" program, which has shown to be the most effective alliance development program, in the 4 year history of New Eden. Get a quote today by speaking to a BoB representitive. 3. We offer all our tenants the ability to tune their own PVP skills against small raiding parties without interference from BoB Regulatory Agents. If you get a nasty bee infestation in your station, and the structural integrity of your home is in question? BoB Exterminators will make arrangements with you to work your specialized BoB Bee Eradacation AgentsÖ who specialize in removing that pesky tower spam from your backyard. 4. The term 'pet' is for your Dogs, Cats, and Slaver Hounds (which are of course welcome in all BoB leased stations). 5. Our Clientelle list includes the Real-Deal names in the PVP and Zero-Zero business today. People like RISE, Sturmgrenadier, FIX, Axiom, Exuro-Mortis (the burning orphans till ***s me up, those silly guys) and of course, the superstars of the south, everyone's favorite, The Mercenary Coalition. All these outstanding names in the business have seen the promised land, and made a leasing arrangment with BoB Space RentalsÖ Don't take my word for it, here's what our great tenants have said: Originally by:** Warsyn "A year ago I was a spineless carebear. Then I took a lease from BoB. Now I find my erectile dysfuntion has completely disappeared and i've even had my balls regrow." Originally by: ViRiii "Since we joined BoB, i've been able to walk again!" Originally by: Akyan "A survey of BoB renters has found that 95% have had more sex since the start of their lease" I mean, there you have it.. How can one company have so many satisfied clients? One Word: Quality The Quality you'll get as a member of the BoB Space Leasing ProgramÖ will change your life. Make sure to see your nearest BoB Leasing Agent Today and Sign Up! BoB: The only Name in Space RentalsÖ Genius You can't fix "Stupid" - Comedian Ron White
Invidious Malinigvious Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 01:37:00 - [48] Originally by: DeltaH Originally by: FGxHalsey Lets remember some of the disadvantages of siding with a tennant scheme like BoB's. - BoB will shoot you on sight if you wander too far from your assigned systems and assigned path to empire. - WAY more expensive to the tune of billions per month for only a handful of systems. - BoB dictates that you defend the system yourselves or defend other systems should they need your assistance. So not only do you spend alot of money, but essentially you are paying for the privelege of defending someone else's space. - BoB may be able to garuantee sov in certain regions, but they can't garuantee security. They promise security but for the mostpart you are left to fend for yourself. - Remember BoB is the one who came up with the term 'pet' to describe their tennants. I don't know about you, but there are alot of intelligent and cool people in every alliance and for one group to call their own allies, "pets" just sits wrong. Very well informed post. I laughed
paracidic Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.05.25 01:38:00 - [49] Edited by: paracidic on 25/05/2007 01:41:20 I am the Senior Diplomate for RMF. We try very hard to stay out of the forum wars and try not to get involved in the flamthrower attitudes of them that do not know what they are yapping about. When the war started I answered dozens of convo asking for our support, demanding our surrender and other absurdities. I am not getting into by whom etc they know who they are and now they also know where they are. But to be blunt the are not in Feyth or anywhere near it. Some were great friends in the past and some may be great friends again in the future. I digress, many of the convo's wanted to know wtf we would choose to remain with BoB as pets or renters or any other unfreindly slang term that they dredged up. We have never really answered that. I will now answer why we choose not to walk away from our agreement and honour. What many of you believe about BoB is wrong, they are not oppressors they are not cheaters nor are they evil baby eaters. :) They are solid business people with a strong business plan. They have honour and they value the people they do business with. For every one corp or alliance that is accepted into the Greater BoB Community (I just now TM'd that phrase) Many many more are told to shove off. BoB is a worthwhile business partner because they are visionary enough to surround themselves with people that are worthwhile being around. The GBC has demonstrated over and over during this conflict that we can depend on each other and we can work with each other in a way that other communities are or should be jeaolous of. Does BoB make demands on it's business partners. NO, They may ask, but they don't demand. But as a friend we the members of the GBC are usually happy to help out in anyway that BoB asks. We don't do it gain BoB's favor, we do it because we have fostered a friendship with BoB and want to do it. BoB doesn't shoot people outside where they live. However as in any business relationship there is mutual understandings and agreements. IE I will not allow any RMF pilot to rat or mine in another GBC members space, This is not friendly nor does it foster strong kinships. Just as fences make good neighbours so do boundries. Even if BoB was losing this war and RMF was driven out of our 2 year home we would be falling back deeper into BoB space and consolidating and fortifiying with them. As enemies they earned our respect and as allies they have cemented it. Speaking for RMF we are proud to be members of the GBC. The absence of these very reasons we choose to stay with BoB is the base reason for the need of an FTZ the way it was concieved and set up. Now back to the work in hand /emote waves hand like jedi There is no South Feyth, go about your business. *********************************************** How could they know what we are going to do? We have no idea what we are going to do.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.25 01:46:00 - [50] Originally by: Invidious Malinigvious Originally by: DeltaH Originally by: FGxHalsey Lets remember some of the disadvantages of siding with a tennant scheme like BoB's. - BoB will shoot you on sight if you wander too far from your assigned systems and assigned path to empire. - WAY more expensive to the tune of billions per month for only a handful of systems. - BoB dictates that you defend the system yourselves or defend other systems should they need your assistance. So not only do you spend alot of money, but essentially you are paying for the privelege of defending someone else's space. - BoB may be able to garuantee sov in certain regions, but they can't garuantee security. They promise security but for the mostpart you are left to fend for yourself. - Remember BoB is the one who came up with the term 'pet' to describe their tennants. I don't know about you, but there are alot of intelligent and cool people in every alliance and for one group to call their own allies, "pets" just sits wrong. Very well informed post. I laughed Hehe thats quality. I think someones been nibbling the Goonswarm propaganda cookies a bit too much lately ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]

KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 01:49:00 - [51] GBC... Greater BoB Community... I like that... I'll speak to our attorney's and make sure you get some royalties everytime that's used... -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
paracidic Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.05.25 01:50:00 - [52] I am at work now, but i will check wallet when I get home. :) Para *********************************************** How could they know what we are going to do? We have no idea what we are going to do.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.05.25 01:51:00 - [53] Edited by: DubanFP on 25/05/2007 01:55:54 Originally by: paracidic lots of stuff Very well said, and personally i prefer to think of the smaller alliances "D-L included" as satellites if they have to be called something since it's discriptive yet politically correct. I can't officially speak for the now dead Myriad alliance, but after the battle for I-N the coalition pretty much gave us the choice of A. Join them and fight against LV, or B. "Leave immensea/die". Myriad chose to leave "and eventually faced a slow death" rather then be at the coalition's heel "no pet pun intended". Now i don't know what the coalition's definition of a slave is, but in my opinion "Join us or die" sounds much more slavelike then any of the mutally agreed conditions BoB and it's tenants have... edit: Oh and LV were a great bunch of friends/allies in Omist and then Immeansea. They saved us at least once during IAC's invasion. Just sad that it had to end the way it did :-/. ____________ DubanFP > where ever there is a player that's getting too rich, wherever there's an industrial with too much loot, wherever there is a noob with too much smack we'll be there...
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.25 01:51:00 - [54] Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 25/05/2007 01:52:13 Originally by: Velsharoon Originally by: FGxHalsey Edited by: FGxHalsey on 24/05/2007 23:43:54 a pile of **** How about you let the bob renters ask what they get out of it. People vote with their feet. Who is running now? We are treated with respect and appreciation from the most powerful alliance in the game. They support us when in dire need, which hasn't been that often as RISE can and wants to fight for itself. We are blue to BoB everywhere, and can go anywhere we want without worry of being shot on sight. The rent is nothing, absolutely nothing. As a member of the largest corporation in RISE, we carry the largest portion of the rent. I have never paid a dime out of pocket besides my standard corp tax which would be there rent or not. The amount of ISK required for rent is a drop in the bucket compared to the riches we have access to and reap each week, maybe even each day. We have been allowed to rent one of the richest areas in Eve which has allowed us to grow in ways the Outer Ring never would have, and I wouldn't go back on our initial decision for the world. I could go on and on, but there has been nothing, and I do mean nothing, negative about our experience with renting from BoB. I enjoy flying with them and completely and utterly destroying our enemies. One night we killed 150 goons in all sorts of ships, including many battleships, and lost 2 cruisers and a frigate with our gang of 90 people, 50 RISE and 40 BoB. I have learned from them, and I respect their abilities. We are their allies, and they are ours. D2 was a poor ally at best, and down-right treacherous at worst. We were given an opportunity and we jumped at it. It was the best thing RISE could of done, and hindsight has not changed that one bit. So please, keep on calling us pets and deluding yourselves about how weak we are, and how bad it is to be allied with BoB, cause honestly it doesn't mean jack squat to us and doesn't change the outcome of the battles we fight against you.
John Cerberux Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.25 02:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn We serve BoB and its all roses and butterflies. I also played planetside and fought alongside sturmgrenadier as an ally. Apparently Sturmgrenadier is no longer the strong entity it was in its planetside days. They were strong, independant, and full of pride. I will mourn the loss of that once great organization.
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.05.25 02:13:00 - [56] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn We are treated with respect and appreciation from the most powerful alliance in the game. Threw up a little.
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 02:14:00 - [57] Originally by: John Cerberux I also played planetside and fought alongside sturmgrenadier as an ally. Apparently Sturmgrenadier is no longer the strong entity it was in its planetside days. They were strong, independant, and full of pride. I will mourn the loss of that once great organization. Awww, turn that frown upside down friend! You sound like you need to get out of that stinky old station you're in now, and try out some of the BoB Leasing ProgramsÖ great deals! This month we are offering a special to former pilot of other New Eden rentals. Just provide proof of previous residency, and your application is approved, automatically! You can't be turned Down! Apply Today! -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.25 02:30:00 - [58] Originally by: FGxHalsey Perhaps they don't want to be treated like lesser human beings? Listen to your own words, "ItÆs for the protection that BoB wonÆt kill them." You know there are people in this game who do not fear BoB and infact, get along just fine in supposed "BoB" space even though they are enemies of them. Although we are not proper tenants in terms of leasing space, we've been on partnership terms with BoB for almost two years now. For a time, we lived in Delve almost exclusively. We defended it as a home, but we did not pay a dime for the privilege of using it's belts, stations, and complexes. That relationship has been the basis of all future interactions between us and BoB, where we exchange our occasional need for carebearing with at minimum, an equal time pvping. In the entire time we have been on friendly terms, there has not been a single time where I've had to think twice about the dynamics of the relationship or question whether or not we were getting shafted (although Dian's "deals" are a bit of a ripoff tbh). There is not a single entity in Eve that has ever show itself to be as respectable when it comes to business deals and a mutually beneficial partnership. Call it rabid fanboism or the pet brainwashing if you want, but the truth of the matter is that BoB has cultivated relationships with their friends and tenants that we will collectively fight for, until our very last ship, because nobody else ever has a hope of matching it. The alliance wonders why we all fight so tenaciously together, as a handful of smaller entities in support of a larger cause, and why we accomplish so much even in our divisions. The reason is that there is really no master-pet relationship here, regardless of your corp tag or alliance ticker, we're all brothers in arms. And that is why we are better than you.
Adm Tecumseh Caldari The Templars Knights	Posted - 2007.05.25 02:30:00 - [59] Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 25/05/2007 02:29:20 Originally by: James 315 Threw up a little. I know how you feel, Everytime I read one of your posts I throw up a little as well. :)
John Cerberux Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.25 04:26:00 - [60] Edited by: John Cerberux on 25/05/2007 04:25:33 Originally by: KSUDruid Awww, turn that frown upside down friend! You sound like you need to get out of that stinky old station you're in now, and try out some of the BoB Leasing ProgramsÖ great deals! This month we are offering a special to former pilot of other New Eden rentals. Just provide proof of previous residency, and your application is approved, automatically! You can't be turned Down! Apply Today! I mine, rat, and kill tech 2 fitted people just fine in BoB space without paying any rent thank you. Also, did you set up the phone alerts that a BoB circle j erk was going to take place? Its pretty funny how you guys make BoB out to be the salvation of mankind here in eve. You need a new propaganda template if you ask me.

NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.25 04:44:00 - [61] Thanks for sniping my completely non-trolling post Ivan. But if KSUDruid can jest about BoB's rental aggreements, surely I can jest that the way things are currently going, it WILL be BoB OnlineÖ ¬2007 CCP Games, as they will control a majority of the space in 0.0. I can only assume your thought my post was in reference to "other issues" between BoB and CCP, but frankly, in this case, you are dead WRONG. Now, hopefully this post will remain up long enough for someone to be enlightened about your crappy moderation, and get a laugh out of it as they have all the other non-serious posts that KSUDruid has made that weren't sniped. -------------------------------------
Landen Phoenix EVE Empowerment League Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.25 04:47:00 - [62] Edited by: Landen Phoenix on 25/05/2007 04:48:29 Originally by: DubanFP After the battle for I-N the coalition pretty much gave us the choice of A. Join them and fight against LV, or B. "Leave immensea/die". C. Sell them Mother ships Fixed it for you :) sorry server is down
LadyScarlet Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 05:03:00 - [63] Originally by: FGxHalsey Edited by: FGxHalsey on 24/05/2007 23:57:46 Edited by: FGxHalsey on 24/05/2007 23:43:54 FTZ is a good idea and good in implementation. Corporations get access to 0.0 space with no defense requirements put on them and access costs a fraction of what it does in other "rent" schemes. Other advantages include being free to create markets, mine, rat, etc with very few restrictions compared to offers other alliances give you and you can travel to any region within allied space. Lets remember some of the disadvantages of siding with a tennant scheme like BoB's. BoB will shoot you on sight if you wander too far from your assigned systems and assigned path to empire. - WAY more expensive to the tune of billions per month for only a handful of systems. - BoB dictates that you defend the system yourselves or defend other systems should they need your assistance. So not only do you spend alot of money, but essentially you are paying for the privelege of defending someone else's space. - BoB may be able to garuantee sov in certain regions, but they can't garuantee security. They promise security but for the mostpart you are left to fend for yourself. - Remember BoB is the one who came up with the term 'pet' to describe their tennants. I don't know about you, but there are alot of intelligent and cool people in every alliance and for one group to call their own allies, "pets" just sits wrong. People like RISE and specifically sturmgrenadier, whom I've known since planetside days... and FIX, a very respectable alliance who fought BoB and 5 other alliances at the same time, and many other smaller groups who are great players Why in the world would such good groups put up with their own ally calling them a pet, let alone pay them for it? Why would they, good pvp players, pay money to play a game that involves them grinding to pay someone else in the game for the privilege of being dealt with from a standpoint of arrogance? So to answer your question, in 0.0 there are no garuantees of security wherever you go. Goonswarm didn't promise complete safety to the FTZ guys, just relative safety and a strong effort to fight off attackers. These promises are being fulfilled. I will not try to argue with some one who is clearly not in the know of many things espcialy of how BOB is ran but i would like to make one thing clear the word "pet" has been use for a very long time by many people the most famouse of them all StiZum Hilidii Posted - 2005.11.13 06:48:00 - [69] dont need the income. we stock piled those minerals and when ever we need cash we just say a little thank you to our pets and smile.( yes you can do a eve serch the name and pets and find it ) Take notice of the date this is how many years back ? since then many people have use the word "pet" to try to degrade a tenant i wonder how your tenants feel every time you try to put words in BOB mouth.... Let alone lie about it ( bad politicians for the lose ) we come with references can you say the same ?
IntegralHellsing Gallente The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.25 08:01:00 - [64] Edited by: IntegralHellsing on 25/05/2007 08:00:29 Just to point out that the term 'pet' is wrong and should not be used. Alliance A approaches Alliance B for a business deal that is renting space from alliance B for whatever the purpose is. alliance B forges a deal with alliance A to rent A space in return to receive some money or menpower. This is simply a relationship between Patronus and Clientes. For the example of Patronus (let's say BoB), it rents out space in return for money, mineral or pvp force. The client (Clientes) will forge a deal with the patronus in several forms. 1. Giving Minerals 2. Giving ISK 3. Protection of designated area 4. PvP Force 5. Industry 6. Other forms that I do not know about. The deal marks the beginning of the relationship between 'BoB' and other alliance/corp so the supposed 'pet' corp/alliance should not be called 'pets' but instead 'client' or 'clientes' to be exact. Either way if you choose to use the term 'pet' it's your choice. But I prefer the term 'Clientes' as I am a legitimate businessman (considering my avatar, it's probably businesswoman but what the heck) of EVE. --------------------------------------
Thomas Epsilon Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.25 08:03:00 - [65] Edited by: Thomas Epsilon on 25/05/2007 08:04:16 CFS flashbacks Still the ultimate challenge, making 0.0 space approximate high sec. I hope someday a new alliance rises again with these ideals :) Kind regards, Thomas Epsilon
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 08:24:00 - [66] Originally by: John Cerberux Edited by: John Cerberux on 25/05/2007 04:25:33 Originally by: KSUDruid Awww, turn that frown upside down friend! You sound like you need to get out of that stinky old station you're in now, and try out some of the BoB Leasing ProgramsÖ great deals! This month we are offering a special to former pilot of other New Eden rentals. Just provide proof of previous residency, and your application is approved, automatically! You can't be turned Down! Apply Today! I mine, rat, and kill tech 2 fitted people just fine in BoB space without paying any rent thank you. Also, did you set up the phone alerts that a BoB circle j erk was going to take place? Its pretty funny how you guys make BoB out to be the salvation of mankind here in eve. You need a new propaganda template if you ask me. Soemthing which is amusing to see actually if the difference in how the alliance and coalition talk on the forums. Alliance - \o/ , we fight together, we die together Coalition - Iron is uber and killed the most. No, d2 are the powerhouse, we killed all in fountain ,flex flex. Hang about, rzrs were reigning supreme in delve, we luv the nanos and we is uber. Ra is loving the plex but does actually fight <3 . Goons go haw haw death to bob, we kills you to death, bzzz bzzz we so leet and swarmz your hacs with ibis's, haw haw. Insert random i am uber chest beating from ganker corp making no impact on the war at all but chest beating because they think they are uber coz of there statz Long story short, the unity you lot slag us off about is what will win the war and something your side has been utterly incapable of. BoB vs the coalition of family values
Obijameskenobi Real Nice And Laidback Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.25 08:38:00 - [67] Is anyone keeping score on this? ....oh wait, just look at the maps and you realise who is winning.. Cheers Obi
Solasta Kovacs Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 08:47:00 - [68] This thread makes me feel all warm and cuddly. Its pleasing and reassuring to see that BOB's allies see the relationship in the same manner as I do. i.e. one of mutual respect and cooperation. I'm proud to be part of BOB- and I'm proud when I see our allies growing stronger and fending, very effectively, for themselves and contributing massively to the war effort as a result of the allegiance and cooperation. ---------------------- The Tumaril: "Pies are different"
franny Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.25 09:10:00 - [69] my only issue with PKKP's rental from BoB was we didn't get exotic dancers included in the station hangers(offices) we had the rental with BoB, and we had talked to the north about renting from them(ie we had shopped around) speaking as a director and former CEO of PKKP, we did not get screwed, we were mostly happy with the deal(1 refinery in Q made me a sad panda)
Ghost Reaper Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 10:04:00 - [70] Originally by: FGxHalsey - BoB will shoot you on sight if you wander too far from your assigned systems and assigned path to empire. dame, really? i gota find some of these borders they cant pass.....now were did i put my tinfoil map.... Gr

Vando Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.25 11:07:00 - [71] The OP is very much BoB-aligned at heart (hi Sem ), and is in reality gently trolling Goons here. The FTZ agreement covers 'Goon space', and as we all know territory in Eve is never permanent. Omist was located near enough to the front line, and far enough from Goon strongholds for it to be plain that it was never going to get a fully fledged defence. There is a war on gentlemen. You can't expect to farm the land whilst armies roll across it. If Goons weren't your idea of good landlords... well why didn't you fight them for their land? I wonder what you will say if in future BoB abandon Omist for whatever reason. Will you make a similar post wondering what happened to the fabled BoB renter security? --
Velios M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.05.25 11:17:00 - [72] Omist was one of LV's greatest achievements looking back. We offered residents a fair deal and gave them peace and room to breath for over year. It was LV that built the outposts there for it's tenants and it's good to see that goon have since done nothing to improve on that territory since they captured it. Cheers to all the people that lived in Omist when LV were the landlords and cheers also to the guys within LV that put in so much work in that region. Aside from BoB's established control of it's surrounding regions, there was little to match the stability available in Omist during LV's time in power. Good memories. M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility
Irongut M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.05.25 11:35:00 - [73] Originally by: FGxHalsey Lets remember some of the disadvantages of siding with a tennant scheme like BoB's. Let's pick apart your propaganda and FUD... Originally by: FGxHalsey - BoB will shoot you on sight if you wander too far from your assigned systems and assigned path to empire. Wrong. As a friend of BoB I can wander through their space wherever I like. I'm blue to them, they're blue to me and so are all their other friends and tenants. From what I hear things are not the same in the FTZ and you turn a blind eye to your tenants killing each other. Originally by: FGxHalsey - WAY more expensive to the tune of billions per month for only a handful of systems. Actually the FTZ is 100% more expensive than living in BoB space for me. As a friend I pay BoB nothing and have a whole region to play in and I'm not the only one. I can't comment on tenant costs for those that do pay though. Originally by: FGxHalsey - BoB dictates that you defend the system yourselves or defend other systems should they need your assistance. So not only do you spend alot of money, but essentially you are paying for the privelege of defending someone else's space. You can look on it as defending someone else's space but if they lose that space then so do I so really it's defending my own home. And, if a capital fleet or a large blob are required Uncle BoB is always ready to lend a hand. Plus pvp is why I play this game and joining a BoB fleet is always a good learning experience. So... I'm defending my home, having fun AND learning to be a better pvper sounds like a win-win situation to me. Originally by: FGxHalsey - BoB may be able to garuantee sov in certain regions, but they can't garuantee security. They promise security but for the most part you are left to fend for yourself. And you can guarantee security? No one can guarantee security, not even CONCORD in 1.0! Personally I think between BoB and their allies we do a pretty good job at securing the space we live in. Originally by: FGxHalsey - Remember BoB is the one who came up with the term 'pet' to describe their tennants. I don't know about you, but there are alot of intelligent and cool people in every alliance and for one group to call their own allies, "pets" just sits wrong. People like RISE and specifically sturmgrenadier, whom I've known since planetside days... and FIX, a very respectable alliance who fought BoB and 5 other alliances at the same time, and many other smaller groups who are great players Why in the world would such good groups put up with their own ally calling them a pet, let alone pay them for it? Why would they, good pvp players, pay money to play a game that involves them grinding to pay someone else in the game for the privilege of being dealt with from a standpoint of arrogance? Ah the pets thing. Personally the only people I have seen use this term are from the non-BoB side. I've never been treated with arrogance by anyone from BoB, in fact quite the opposite. As I see it we respect them and they respect us. I guess the rule that FTZ renters must immediately leave the system if a goon tells them too is not arrogance, right? Originally by: FGxHalsey So to answer your question, in 0.0 there are no garuantees of security wherever you go. Goonswarm didn't promise complete safety to the FTZ guys, just relative safety and a strong effort to fight off attackers. These promises are being fulfilled. I've been an ally of BoB for about 18 months. In that time I've had lots of pew pew, made lots of isk and had a lot of fun. At no point did I feel like the region I lived in was about to be lost. In comparison Omist FTZ has been around for about 2 months and is as good as lost. Now which sounds like the better deal? My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 11:45:00 - [74] Originally by: John Cerberux I mine, rat, and kill tech 2 fitted people just fine in BoB space without paying any rent thank you. Also, did you set up the phone alerts that a BoB circle j erk was going to take place? Its pretty funny how you guys make BoB out to be the salvation of mankind here in eve. You need a new propaganda template if you ask me. And with what char you do that exactly sicne i dotn see a single entry on our kbs showing u even killing a shuttle ? I might be wrong and you are just here to npc and you mistake BR npcs for bob ships which would explain the lack of kms
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.25 11:46:00 - [75] We're all BoB alts anyways ~Resipsa Loquitor
Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2007.05.25 14:08:00 - [76] Originally by: Vando The OP is very much BoB-aligned at heart (hi Sem ), and is in reality gently trolling Goons here. The FTZ agreement covers 'Goon space', and as we all know territory in Eve is never permanent. Omist was located near enough to the front line, and far enough from Goon strongholds for it to be plain that it was never going to get a fully fledged defence. There is a war on gentlemen. You can't expect to farm the land whilst armies roll across it. If Goons weren't your idea of good landlords... well why didn't you fight them for their land? I wonder what you will say if in future BoB abandon Omist for whatever reason. Will you make a similar post wondering what happened to the fabled BoB renter security? If bob were to just abandon a region with no defence then yes, i would post something similar. Okay so a tiny ammount of troll came though, but i did put a real effort into being moderatly impartial. However at one point i HATED bob. However having experianced both sides of this, i have just begun to respect them more and more. <3
Genghis Kahn Evolution	Posted - 2007.05.25 14:10:00 - [77] Nice FTZ, we're taking it.
Project Chick Cash Money Millionaires	Posted - 2007.05.25 14:15:00 - [78] Originally by: Ghost Reaper dame, really? i gota find some of these borders they cant pass.....now were did i put my tinfoil map.... Gr Apparently, one of said borders lies just outside of the front cover of Merriam-Webster.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.25 14:36:00 - [79] Edited by: Seleene on 25/05/2007 14:35:42 MC Testimonial: After my most recent negotiation session with Dianabolic I was able to identify my deepest emotional and psychological blocks. It allowed me to deal with many of the other alliances assisting us in the North without any fear at all. I felt emotionally lighter and left with tools to continue to fight my demons. When dealing with BoB, we have always felt comfortable and safe. When we were presented with a contract option to take the war to the enemy in the North we understood what was being presented and felt a positive, intense and loving healing energy. I look forward to continuing my journey of fearlessness with Dianabolic upon our contract completion. - Vid - 'P-2 Defense'
Elmicker Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.25 14:47:00 - [80] Originally by: Velios Cheers to all the people that lived in Omist when LV were the landlords and cheers also to the guys within LV that put in so much work in that region. Aside from BoB's established control of it's surrounding regions, there was little to match the stability available in Omist during LV's time in power. Good memories. Absolutely. The biggest danger in Omist was Stybbe and his army of alts. There was an organised defense and intelligence hierarchy, and all tenants knew the region was theirs in all but name (and er... rent). Omist formed many a fledgling alliance, and i can proudly thank LV for the opportunities they gave to the young Myriad in Omist. Perhaps the best feature about Omist was the fact the tenants came first. We had primary access to the complexes, we could ask LV members to leave the belts if they were ratting, and there was a cap on the number of tenants in Omist at any one time. Much better than the FTZ, which just seems to be a scramble to get to the belts before the goonies come and take the spawn off you.

Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 15:32:00 - [81] FGxHalsey, being the only GoonSwarm post in this thread, I'm going to assume you try to speak with some authority. It would make me feel very silly to debunk some random peon's ramblings. Standings are standings, and they tell you nothing about the terms we have with our guest. Anyone can get access to BoB space for 300mil, to deploy POS, mine, rat, run plexes. For the most part you're considered a resident of one region, with travel, dock, market and clone rights anywhere else. If you want to relocate for whatever reason, thats allowed, but you go as a corp. Your FTZ (Feudal Trade Zone, amirite?) charges 10mil/month per member and doesn't allow you to deploy large POS or run plexes. At above 120 members, you start paying more to GoonSwarm. This is prohibitive to the growth of any corporation, as you start paying for every alt and inactive character you have. And newsflash, there isn't a whole lot of trade going on in your zone. If you mean dumping a bunch of stuff on the market and hoping someone would buy it at absurd prices, well, you can do that in BoB space too. You can't however trademark capitalism itself. I'm sorry, too many people would be spinning in their graves if you could. And thats just for guest corps. Or is that pets? I can't remember which derogatory term we're supposed to be using this week! Maybe it was pubbie.. I can't remember.. For bigger entities, they have the option of renting exclusive rights to a constellation with the stations in it. Clearly, the standings don't show these intricacies and allow anyone to simply make stuff up. Unlike guest corps, who have no contractual obligations as far as military and involvement in wars goes.. they're only required to maintain the POS in their station systems. Thats it. And then theres the autonomous groups like FIX, Xelas, FATAL and Dark Rising. They don't pay, and therefore can't be discussed in any comparisons between BoB's guest corp program and the FTZ. PS: TWD used to be in Hegemonic Core
Icy Z Superstars from Outer Space	Posted - 2007.05.25 15:38:00 - [82] Originally by: Metal Dude Why would anyone rent space from anyone other then BoB? Because BoB just aint sexy
Cassius Hawkeye Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.25 15:53:00 - [83] Edited by: Cassius Hawkeye on 25/05/2007 15:56:34 Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: Velios Cheers to all the people that lived in Omist when LV were the landlords and cheers also to the guys within LV that put in so much work in that region. Aside from BoB's established control of it's surrounding regions, there was little to match the stability available in Omist during LV's time in power. Good memories. Absolutely. The biggest danger in Omist was Stybbe and his army of alts. There was an organised defense and intelligence hierarchy, and all tenants knew the region was theirs in all but name (and er... rent). Omist formed many a fledgling alliance, and i can proudly thank LV for the opportunities they gave to the young Myriad in Omist. Perhaps the best feature about Omist was the fact the tenants came first. We had primary access to the complexes, we could ask LV members to leave the belts if they were ratting, and there was a cap on the number of tenants in Omist at any one time. Much better than the FTZ, which just seems to be a scramble to get to the belts before the goonies come and take the spawn off you. /Double Signed. From my limited experience, the Omist residents were a partner with LV for a long time. They were phenominal at defending themselves against pirates and raiders, and though LV wasn't perfect by any means, we never had much to worry about deep in Omist. One stand out memory, was seeing a guy getting shot down in LV alliance chat when he said "shall we run the 8/10 complex in Omist?". Loads of LV alliance members immediatly responded - it's for Omist resident's only. Aside from isolated incidents the relationship was a strong one, and the industrial backbone that Omist provided was certainly one of the shining beacons that LV had, alongside putting up our outposts, and deploying our Titan/s Indeed Vel. Good times. I'm very proud to have been part of LV tear to my eye
omgTHE KEY Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.05.25 16:27:00 - [84] Edited by: omgTHE KEY on 25/05/2007 16:26:06 omitted
Ling Xiao Prism Project Technologies	Posted - 2007.05.25 16:51:00 - [85] Wow this is like, the most useful thread on this forum for a long time. I hope some new corps get an insight into how to get their first experience of 0.0 life. __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
Togakure Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.25 17:05:00 - [86] Originally by: Ling Xiao Wow this is like, the most useful thread on this forum for a long time. I hope some new corps get an insight into how to get their first experience of 0.0 life. Are you saying 0.0 life is about sarcasm, jokes, and trolling?
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 17:39:00 - [87] Originally by: Togakure Are you saying 0.0 life is about sarcasm, jokes, and trolling? Yup, I'd say that about sums it up :) -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.05.25 18:24:00 - [88] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2007 18:23:28 @Bob members here : please don't talk of the FTZ, you don't know what it is. ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: DB Preacher (...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)
Dashhammer II Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.25 18:56:00 - [89] Some one comes in, takes a region, rents it out. Previous owners return and retake it. Then the renters ask "What happened?" Ummm... you were sold something that did not belong to the seller. Owners are back and they are not going to honor the contracts of their enemies. Is that clear enough for ya?
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 19:07:00 - [90] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2007 18:23:28 @Bob members here : please don't talk of the FTZ, you don't know what it is. @TCF members in this thread, please don't talk of owning or renting space, you don't know how. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums

Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.25 19:35:00 - [91] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2007 18:23:28 @Bob members here : please don't talk of the FTZ, you don't know what it is. Is it being handed space by RA, promptly losing it back to BoB, and then claiming it's yours again because BoB decided to attack the goons instead? I thought it stood for Free Trade Zone or something.... Whats your sig supposed to say anyway? We're you shooting for whiners, winners, or weiners? I'll forgive poor spelling/grammer in a post, but you should have higher aspirations in your siggeh :)
Agmar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 19:44:00 - [92] This thread is finished... Druid already won it.
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 19:49:00 - [93] Originally by: Zeta Strike Originally by: fire 59 Long story short, the unity you lot slag us off about is what will win the war and something your side has been utterly incapable of. I would rather die free than live as a slave. Then I strongly suggest that you kill your RL landlord, blow up the bank that is financing your car, and proclaim yourself an anarchist. Nemo me impune lacessit
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.05.25 19:56:00 - [94] Originally by: Wylker Whats your sig supposed to say anyway? We're you shooting for whiners, winners, or weiners? I'll forgive poor spelling/grammer in a post, but you should have higher aspirations in your siggeh :) It's spelt siggggeh4. ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: DB Preacher (...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)
Resipsa Loquitor Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 20:09:00 - [95] Originally by: KSUDruid GBC... Greater BoB Community... I like that... I'll speak to our attorney's and make sure you get some royalties everytime that's used... No problem. I'll assume based upon your statement that we're filing intent-to-use applications for text, script, and logo forms of "Greater BoB Community" and "GBC" in all the empire regions. I'll get you a quote tomorrow for filing, courier, and translation costs. I'll also put a little extra in there in case we have to "grease the wheels" again with the Minmatar. As usual, expect that office to take longer since they do everthing manually. ---
AztecD GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.25 21:27:00 - [96]
Skrypt Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 00:53:00 - [97] All your base are belong to us. That's what happened. "I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men." ~ Malcolm Wallace (Braveheart)
Hitman396 Caldari UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:48:00 - [98] Skrypt is a ghey tbh And yea, LV took great care and respected the Omist residents just as much as anyone else.
Captain Stephanie	Posted - 2007.05.26 02:59:00 - [99] Hey LV, If you guys can get your crap together looks like you can take omist back. Love to see you at home again. Steph
IntegralHellsing Gallente The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.26 14:46:00 - [100] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 25/05/2007 18:23:28 @Bob members here : please don't talk of the FTZ, you don't know what it is. @TCF members in this thread, please don't talk of owning or renting space, you don't know how. HAHAHA PWNT, Kweel! L2P maybe? :P --------------------------------------



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