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Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:30:00 - [3301] Originally by: Sanguinnus I recall readsing an amusing thread not so long ago about a refining array malfunctioning at a pos. When the array was unanchored it started speeding away from the pos on its own, obviously bugged. A petition was filed and a gm came in exploded the array and spawned them a new one. At no point in the thread was the GM entering the corp mentioned, why does one bugged pos need a GM to fix it yet another doesn't? it started speeding away? actually, that's pretty funny. "Jim! Look out for the array! splut Oh no, poor Jim...." Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/02/2007 23:20:58 But come on, at least give the devs a chance to fire t20. Hmm, still waiting.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:32:00 - [3302] Originally by: Rod Blaine Again, this here thing needs de-escalating. I wonder wether the goons are prepared to take the intitiative to de-escalate now that their message seems to have been clearly heard and is being acted upon. If anything would be telling about their own role in this it would be taking such action. How about proving yourselves to be consciable too goons ? I'll be the first to agree that they ought to de-escalate it...the minute all of their complaints are satisfactorily answered. We now have 3/4 of the answer to 1/4 of the problems. Getting there!
Vaustrien	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:32:00 - [3303] That response by Arkanon still appears insufficient to convince me no wrongdoing went on if that is the last communication with the eve players about it. It explains actions that we could never be able to verify, and doesn't respond to the petition deletion which is highly suspect. It also doesn't say why an eve-mail was not sent in this situation. Considering the past coverup regarding the t20 thing, you can't expect us to just blindly trust these sorts of things. I don't have a goddamn place in the stupid war, I'm just a four month long regular player who wants to know whether the deck will be stacked against me if I ever get into anything big like fleet warfare.
Uruko North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:33:00 - [3304] Originally by: eleuthereus Edited by: eleuthereus on 27/05/2007 19:24:46 Edited by: eleuthereus on 27/05/2007 19:24:38 REQUEST for all you UBER Eve Players to help solve the mystery. Goonswarm is still not finding ANY petitins filed by any Darkstar member. So, I have a request to narrow down the possible reasons why Sharkbait would join. I am not an uber player, or techno-geek. So, plz help. And I don't care if you are a BOB member. The response from ccp reads: "This instance [Sharkbait joining Darkstar 1] was brought about as the result of a player-submitted petition. Sharkbait joined the corporation to investigate and resolve an issue reported by a member of the corporation in question. While the method may be viewed as unorthodox, the information gained is vital to the continued QA effort and enjoyment of EVE by the corporation in question." So, what "VITAL" information needed to continue QA for Darkstar 1 could ONLY be obtained by a dev joining the corp. If you can list such reasons, we can check to see, for example, if there was a problem with a POS, etc etc etc. So far, there appear to have been no problems with anything or anyone. Thank you in advance. We had trouble renting a corp office and a GM joind our corp to try to fix it. That¦s only one example when we¦ve had GM¦s join our corp to try to fix things.
LymeM Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:33:00 - [3305] Arakanon I think you need to post the petition in regards to: "EDIT: For further clarification, the petition (Petition #631627) which prompted CCP Sharkbait to join the corporation was created on the 6th of May. After GMs were unable to fix the issue, an email was sent out asking for developer help. CCP Sharkbait reported the matter as resolved the same day, on the 9th of May." Simply saying the pos was petitioned, does not mean that it was petitioned by DS-1, or that the petitioner has/had the right to petition on that topic.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:33:00 - [3306] Originally by: Ecco Storm Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Originally by: Ecco Storm So basically Sharkbait was just doing his job and didn't give any feedback to the DS1 guys. No wrong doings have gone on You don't see anything wrong with developers entering corps, giving themselves director roles and refusing to inform anyone within the corp itself why they are doing so? We're talking about Sharkbait here yes? Sigh. Just because there's a lot of animosity towards Goons in general doesn't mean that everyone is out to get you. The only thing Sharkbait is guilty of is a lack of communication. Mistake and\or oversight? Sure, why not. That's a long, long way from misconduct however. Something you kids should try to realize before playing the martyr. So you admit there's a problem that needs to be addressed. It's just wordplay whether it's "midconduct" "mistake" or "oversight." It's a problem that needs a comprehensive answer and fix.

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:35:00 - [3307] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Originally by: Verone Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: Verone \o/ Page 126 126 <3 Right about now, I'm so glad I don't have your job I hear if it gets to 150, we all get a T2 Ship; 200 we get a T2 BPO; and 500 is Titan's for all! and what do us mods get? ___ Questions/Complaints/Opinions/Bree \| Forum Rules \| Our Website EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER

eleuthereus Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:35:00 - [3308] Edited by: eleuthereus on 27/05/2007 19:37:18 UPDATE -- New Addition to CCP update: "For further clarification, the petition (Petition #631627) which prompted CCP Sharkbait to join the corporation was created on the 6th of May. After GMs were unable to fix the issue, an email was sent out asking for developer help. CCP Sharkbait reported the matter as resolved the same day, on the 9th of May." Unfortunately, this really tells us very little. Still no actual REASON given. ------ Dear CCP, This is great that we now have the petition number. But can you tell us WHAT the petition was about!!? For instance, were you told that a POS was having problems? Were you asked for help in some other area of the corporation?? By divulging such information, we will be able to determine if indeed a legitimate petition was sent or not. If it was NOT a legit petition, this is something that both you and us need to know since it may constitute some flaw in the petition process -- i.e. the ability to send false petitions. [I know you're reading this - hehe] Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:36:00 - [3309] Originally by: LymeM Arakanon I think you need to post the petition in regards to: "EDIT: For further clarification, the petition (Petition #631627) which prompted CCP Sharkbait to join the corporation was created on the 6th of May. After GMs were unable to fix the issue, an email was sent out asking for developer help. CCP Sharkbait reported the matter as resolved the same day, on the 9th of May." Simply saying the pos was petitioned, does not mean that it was petitioned by DS-1, or that the petitioner has/had the right to petition on that topic. Now we're getting somewhere! If CCP can get the little details to DS1, then I'd say this issue is resolved.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:36:00 - [3310] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 27/05/2007 19:40:14 Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Rod Blaine Again, this here thing needs de-escalating. I wonder wether the goons are prepared to take the intitiative to de-escalate now that their message seems to have been clearly heard and is being acted upon. If anything would be telling about their own role in this it would be taking such action. How about proving yourselves to be consciable too goons ? I'll be the first to agree that they ought to de-escalate it...the minute all of their complaints are satisfactorily answered. I disagree. The goons clearly crossd several lines including aengaging in EULA violations in an organised manner to bring this ****storm up to speed. They also seem to coincidentally have chosen the exact most opportune time to escalate it to this level if their goal where to be to be able to get it escalated to the maximum possible extent before CCP get up to speed investigating and explaining the accusationis. In all ways possible, they're at the center of the storm here, and fuelling it even now. Wouldn't it make sense to admit their own misconduct and to start making steps towards returning to a somewhat normal and constructive athmosphere ? edit: btw, devs would need to enter corporations for possible issues regarding activities that require corp roles or the corp interface. This includes but is not limited to: soem pops activities, corporation maintenance activities, some production issues, locking and unlocking of bp's, voting and/or starting up corp votes, etc. Good luck finding it, but please excuse me if the outcome of nooone in DS1 coming forward with it at this stage won't shock me greatly... [center] Old blog

Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:37:00 - [3311] Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: FireFoxx80 Originally by: Verone Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: Verone \o/ Page 126 126 <3 Right about now, I'm so glad I don't have your job I hear if it gets to 150, we all get a T2 Ship; 200 we get a T2 BPO; and 500 is Titan's for all! and what do us mods get? The sweet release of death, or a b***job, whichever you prefer.
MissileRus	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:37:00 - [3312] Edited by: MissileRus on 27/05/2007 19:37:40 Originally by: Ecco Storm The only thing Sharkbait is guilty of is a lack of communication. Mistake and\or oversight? Sure, why not. That's a long, long way from misconduct however. Something you kids should try to realize before playing the martyr. ... edit: how can one be so sure.. --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Breaky Rules	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:37:00 - [3313] Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: FireFoxx80 Originally by: Verone Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: Verone \o/ Page 126 126 <3 Right about now, I'm so glad I don't have your job I hear if it gets to 150, we all get a T2 Ship; 200 we get a T2 BPO; and 500 is Titan's for all! and what do us mods get? MSN access?
Alias11 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:37:00 - [3314] Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: FireFoxx80 Originally by: Verone Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: Verone \o/ Page 126 126 <3 Right about now, I'm so glad I don't have your job I hear if it gets to 150, we all get a T2 Ship; 200 we get a T2 BPO; and 500 is Titan's for all! and what do us mods get? headaches
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:40:00 - [3315] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Rod Blaine Again, this here thing needs de-escalating. I wonder wether the goons are prepared to take the intitiative to de-escalate now that their message seems to have been clearly heard and is being acted upon. If anything would be telling about their own role in this it would be taking such action. How about proving yourselves to be consciable too goons ? I'll be the first to agree that they ought to de-escalate it...the minute all of their complaints are satisfactorily answered. I disagree. The goons clearly crossd several lines including aengaging in EULA violations in an organised manner to bring this ****storm up to speed. They also seem to coincidentally have chosen the exact most opportune time to escalate it to this level if their goal where to be to be able to get it escalated to the maximum possible extent before CCP get up to speed investigating and explaining the accusationis. In all ways possible, they're at the center of the storm here, and fuelling it even now. Wouldn't it make sense to admit their own misconduct and to start making steps towards returning to a somewhat normal and constructive athmosphere ? The time the goons chose was admittedly a bit suspect. You'll never be able to prove anything one way or another on that one, though. This is how I think of it-Do you really think an undisciplined mob like Goonswarm could sit on news like this for longer than 3 minutes? It HAD to be released the moment they found it. EULA violations were only committed after CCP attempted to stifle controlled attempts at communication. Is posting by registered users on the forums even a EULA violation? They're definitely fuelling the fire. They should admit their misconduct and try to fix things IF AND WHEN their concerns and answered and it turns out they're wrong. We aren't there yet.
Kai'lya Phantom Regiment	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:41:00 - [3316] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Please check out this Umm I don't get it. According to the update CCP says Sharkbait was simply doing his job, temporarily joining DarkStar 1 to fix a problem in response to a petition submitted by one of the members of that corp. Yet every account I've seen from a DarkStar 1 member in this thread thus far has indicated no knowledge of such a petition, hence this even blowing up in the first place. Do we have an update from a Darkstar 1 member to confirm if this is so? I would HOPE that they would have investigated this within their corp internally before letting things get out of hand like this, because if true it does make them look a little silly. Not to let CCP off the hook completely, it does look rather suspicious to have a dev join your corp with no notice to the CEO explaining what's going on, neither before nor after the fact. Suspicions only increased with their inability to get a reply from someone at CCP to explain what had occurred after this was discovered. I belong to a small insignificant corp that's not involved in any alliance politics at whatsoever, but even I would be bothered if I checked my logs to find a dev joining my corp uninvited for no reason that I was aware of. Writing it off as an unorthodox but vital procedure doesn't really make it better. If ANYONE has to join ANY player corp for ANY reason, the CEO of that corp should be notified. If this had been done in the first place this whole episode could have been avoided.
Breaky Rules	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:41:00 - [3317] Hey lets make the goons out to be the bad guys while we investigate legitimate claims against a party shown in the past to have cheated.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:51:00 - [3318] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 27/05/2007 19:51:04 Originally by: Ecco Storm Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Ecco Storm Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Originally by: Ecco Storm So basically Sharkbait was just doing his job and didn't give any feedback to the DS1 guys. No wrong doings have gone on You don't see anything wrong with developers entering corps, giving themselves director roles and refusing to inform anyone within the corp itself why they are doing so? We're talking about Sharkbait here yes? Sigh. Just because there's a lot of animosity towards Goons in general doesn't mean that everyone is out to get you. The only thing Sharkbait is guilty of is a lack of communication. Mistake and\or oversight? Sure, why not. That's a long, long way from misconduct however. Something you kids should try to realize before playing the martyr. So you admit there's a problem that needs to be addressed. It's just wordplay whether it's "midconduct" "mistake" or "oversight." It's a problem that needs a comprehensive answer and fix. No it's not wordplay thank you for not putting words into my mouth. A mistake or oversight is minor as in no malice involved. Hell in this case there was no damage outside of the drama storm the Goons have been fronting. The issue was fixed by Sharkbait pure and simple. Had this issue been with any other corp or alliance this would have been a non issue. The open letter brigade needed more ammunition apparently to bolster their position however. Misconduct IS malicious on the other hand meaning there was intent there to compromise. Are there problems within the game that need fixing beyond bugs? I'm sure there are. Do the current problems going on warrant this lynch mob mentality that is going on? You folks apparently think so even without even getting CCP's side of the story yet. If the proof of misconduct is there then I'll be first in line to say burn the witch. Until then people need to calm down until such time as light is shed on the matters. CCP's IA guys have already handled one of them. Let them handle the rest then take your issues up with them. That's an awful lot of assumptions. I just want answers- I don't want anyone fired, I don't want any witches burned. I don't care if it was a mistake or a willful deception- NEITHER ONE SHOULD BE POSSIBLE. Whether it was malicious or not doesn't matter- if the allegations are true, there are significant flaws in the system. See what I'm saying? Therefore, there is a problem that needs to be fixed. I don't see any goons demanding jobs yet, either. They just want an answer to what happened, why, and why they couldn't communicate about it. What's wrong with that?
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:51:00 - [3319] Edited by: Kerfira on 27/05/2007 19:51:53 Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Originally by: Rod Blaine hey also seem to coincidentally have chosen the exact most opportune time to escalate it to this level if their goal where to be to be able to get it escalated to the maximum possible extent before CCP get up to speed investigating and explaining the accusationis. Timestamp of Kugutsumen's first post on the Raekhan incident 2007-05-25, 02:23 PM (I won't post the link for obvious reasons but it's easily verifiable) Timestamp of CEO Pyrex's first post regarding the Sharkbait incident on Goonfleet forums 2007-05-25, 16:25 (Orange Species will be able to confirm if asked) So, no, this is not been something we've been sitting on for days or weeks waiting to unleash. Wow, so you waited a whole 4 hours and 2 minutes for CCP to answer your petition before storming E-O??? sarcasm on Hmmm, that is a very generous amount of time to give CCP to sort matters out (just before a holiday weekend too...) before taking matters into your own hand.... sarcasm off The timing of this strongly indicate that GS had in fact no intention of seing this resolved as normal, but wanted to harm the game instead. Congrats, you sunk to a new low in EVE history!!!! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:53:00 - [3320] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 27/05/2007 19:52:32 Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Avon Originally by: eleuthereus And for the record, I know of no such interaction taking place between ANY goons and devs/GMS. If you have information to the contrary -- please please please provide it for all of us to see and examine so it, too, can be dealt with. Why would I do that? The correct procedure is to email it directly to the IA department, remember? I've missed a lot, so could someone tell me where this policy is laid out? Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Uruko Exactly what are you goons trying to do by "releasing" this kinda crap @ 12 a clock friday evening? Are you here to play the game or to ruin it for everyone else? Seriously... Seems like 'ruin it' is the honest answer..... How does bringing allegations of company misconduct to light ruin anything except the misconduct or appearance of misconduct? I have asked this 3 or 4 times in this thread and never gotten an answer. Bumping these quick questions, given the above post. HOW DOES EXPOSING POSSIBLE CORRUPTION HARM THE GAME? I'd also like to repeat my question of how you think the 4000 spoiled, childish goons could have kept a lid on this until Tuesday. Seriously.

Dunescatan Rex Amarr Crimson Council	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:53:00 - [3321] Originally by: Eldo Davip and what do us mods get? Shiny new T2 morphite edged scissors for all that snipping you've been doing?
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:54:00 - [3322] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Please check out this Why is it that he couldnt access that info without joining the corp? doesnt add up tbh.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:54:00 - [3323] Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Edited by: Prall Grosserbauch on 27/05/2007 19:46:52 Edited by: Prall Grosserbauch on 27/05/2007 19:45:51 Originally by: Rod Blaine hey also seem to coincidentally have chosen the exact most opportune time to escalate it to this level if their goal where to be to be able to get it escalated to the maximum possible extent before CCP get up to speed investigating and explaining the accusationis. Timestamp of Kugutsumen's first post on the Raekhan incident 2007-05-25, 02:23 PM (I won't post the link for obvious reasons but it's easily verifiable) Timestamp of CEO Pyrex's first post regarding the Sharkbait incident on Goonfleet forums 2007-05-25, 16:25 (Orange Species will be able to confirm if asked) So, no, this is not been something we've been sitting on for days or weeks waiting to unleash. I was making an example. I don't actually believe this is a goon conspiracy myself. However, the example shows how easy it is to make allegations, that are then hard to disprove. [center] Old blog
JonLuc McPew	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:55:00 - [3324] Quote: Wow, so you waited a whole 4 hours and 2 minutes for CCP to answer your petition before storming E-O??? Well, seeing as how they dont have any "special friends" at their beck and call on MSN it seems reasonable. I mean, that BoD guy got an answer in what? 30 seconds with HIS special "petition"?
Creh Ester	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:55:00 - [3325] Sadly, CCP don't seem to have read the feedback in this forum. I will assume that Arkonen isn't just plain dum and that he simply hasn't taken time to read all the milage in this damning thread. Well, Arkonen, your last statement is badly formulated and risk blowing up in your face and cause more damage than anything up to this point if it's left to stand that way and no more details are ever added. If you had read this thread, you would have known that members from DS1 and Goon have already repeatedly denied that the POS was bugged or that a petition was made. And you would have presumely understood that a rehash of what you already earlier stated about the DS1 incident is not sufficient. What you should have added is that the petition in question has been found, that the petitioner have been identified, what the problem was, how it was dealt with, and finally that these details have been communicated to DS1 and Goon. ...but I have this overwhelming feeling that none of those added things has ever happened up to this point. But they really should have you know. Before you put up this explanation. Just asking the GM for his version is no longer good after all the heat generated. While a completely different issue, I still maintain that CCP must find a way put walls between employees and interaction in the game. This should be a High priority objective.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:55:00 - [3326] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Edited by: Prall Grosserbauch on 27/05/2007 19:46:52 Edited by: Prall Grosserbauch on 27/05/2007 19:45:51 Originally by: Rod Blaine hey also seem to coincidentally have chosen the exact most opportune time to escalate it to this level if their goal where to be to be able to get it escalated to the maximum possible extent before CCP get up to speed investigating and explaining the accusationis. Timestamp of Kugutsumen's first post on the Raekhan incident 2007-05-25, 02:23 PM (I won't post the link for obvious reasons but it's easily verifiable) Timestamp of CEO Pyrex's first post regarding the Sharkbait incident on Goonfleet forums 2007-05-25, 16:25 (Orange Species will be able to confirm if asked) So, no, this is not been something we've been sitting on for days or weeks waiting to unleash. I was making an example. I don't actually believe this is a goon conspiracy myself. However, the example shows how easy it is to make allegations, that are then hard to disprove. But your little thing was just disproven... I understand the point you were trying to make, but it didn't work out too well here, did it?
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:55:00 - [3327] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 27/05/2007 19:51:53 Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Originally by: Rod Blaine hey also seem to coincidentally have chosen the exact most opportune time to escalate it to this level if their goal where to be to be able to get it escalated to the maximum possible extent before CCP get up to speed investigating and explaining the accusationis. Timestamp of Kugutsumen's first post on the Raekhan incident 2007-05-25, 02:23 PM (I won't post the link for obvious reasons but it's easily verifiable) Timestamp of CEO Pyrex's first post regarding the Sharkbait incident on Goonfleet forums 2007-05-25, 16:25 (Orange Species will be able to confirm if asked) So, no, this is not been something we've been sitting on for days or weeks waiting to unleash. Wow, so you waited a whole 4 hours and 2 minutes for CCP to answer your petition before storming E-O??? sarcasm on Hmmm, that is a very generous amount of time to give CCP to sort matters out (just before a holiday weekend too...) before taking matters into your own hand.... sarcasm off The timing of this strongly indicate that GS had in fact no intention of seing this resolved as normal, but wanted to harm the game instead. Congrats, you sunk to a new low in EVE history!!!! Interesting, since goons have been claiming they went the normal way first. Seems they lied.
Prall Grosserbauch GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:56:00 - [3328] Edited by: Prall Grosserbauch on 27/05/2007 19:56:33 Originally by: Kerfira Wow, so you waited a whole 4 hours and 2 minutes for CCP to answer your petition before storming E-O??? No we waited until the first polite message asking for clarification was summarily deleted on Eve-0. Also timezones. Originally by: Kerfira sarcasm on Yeah thanks for that.
Dracko Caldari S Z S Enterprises	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:56:00 - [3329] Edited by: Dracko on 27/05/2007 19:56:57 So where are we at?? All I know is i read a note that had some pretty strong allegations in it and found it hard to believe someone could make this all up. Maybe embelish a bit but not create. I am left with a doubt, a concern that there is not a level playing field. At this time I still feel this way due to a very quick response to us, the Eve community, and no real detailed explaination as to who did what and how it was investigated. I don't mind loosing a game or fighting a up hill battle,,,if all is fair. I can say, my son, myself and my father all really enjoy this game and thus hold 6 accounts to enjoy even more. We all however are wondering what the future of Eve holds for us now as we feel there are limits placed as to how far you can go based on who you support, by the game creators and not our own bad choices or lack of determination. We hope that there will be a better explaination forth comming and watch in anticipation for a reasonable, believable conclusion to this most unfortunate situation.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.27 19:57:00 - [3330] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 27/05/2007 19:51:53 Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Originally by: Rod Blaine hey also seem to coincidentally have chosen the exact most opportune time to escalate it to this level if their goal where to be to be able to get it escalated to the maximum possible extent before CCP get up to speed investigating and explaining the accusationis. Timestamp of Kugutsumen's first post on the Raekhan incident 2007-05-25, 02:23 PM (I won't post the link for obvious reasons but it's easily verifiable) Timestamp of CEO Pyrex's first post regarding the Sharkbait incident on Goonfleet forums 2007-05-25, 16:25 (Orange Species will be able to confirm if asked) So, no, this is not been something we've been sitting on for days or weeks waiting to unleash. Wow, so you waited a whole 4 hours and 2 minutes for CCP to answer your petition before storming E-O??? sarcasm on Hmmm, that is a very generous amount of time to give CCP to sort matters out (just before a holiday weekend too...) before taking matters into your own hand.... sarcasm off The timing of this strongly indicate that GS had in fact no intention of seing this resolved as normal, but wanted to harm the game instead. Congrats, you sunk to a new low in EVE history!!!! Interesting, since goons have been claiming they went the normal way first. Seems they lied. They went the normal way and it was promptly deleted- doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that an escalation was what would be required to get it into the public eye, which I view as a public service. Better for people to know and have it be explained than for it to be covered up.



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