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Necrosmith Gallente Eth3real 3asy Company	Posted - 2007.05.25 23:58:00 - [1] I'm sure this has been talked to death, but I didn't see any current threads. Is CCP gonna nerf the drone regions so some of the minerals that have lost 1/2 their value go back up? Like zydrine is down from 2200 to 1100. Why mine for that anymore? Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."
Elite Marksman	Posted - 2007.05.26 00:15:00 - [2] People will still mine for the minerals. If you tried to get enough zydrine to build a battleship just from ratting, even in the drone regions, it would take you a very, very long time. Mining is nowhere near as profitable as it used to be, but people will still do it because it is necessary and can be done while semi-afk.
Necrosmith Gallente Eth3real 3asy Company	Posted - 2007.05.26 00:26:00 - [3] I hear ya. Just seems like a huge buff to mission runners and huge hoof to the stones of the miners. Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."
wapacz Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:38:00 - [4] Originally by: Elite Marksman People will still mine for the minerals. If you tried to get enough zydrine to build a battleship just from ratting, even in the drone regions, it would take you a very, very long time. Mining is nowhere near as profitable as it used to be, but people will still do it because it is necessary and can be done while semi-afk. you do know you can get zyd faster in the drone region by killing drones than you can mine it by mining bistot or crokiet right.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:25:00 - [5] Originally by: Necrosmith I hear ya. Just seems like a huge buff to mission runners and huge hoof to the stones of the miners. What the XXXX has to do ratting in drone regions with mission runners?
Auron Shadowbane	Posted - 2007.05.26 12:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Necrosmith I hear ya. Just seems like a huge buff to mission runners and huge hoof to the stones of the miners. What the XXXX has to do ratting in drone regions with mission runners? both sucks and needs a wrecking hit from the nerfbat?
Fayn Trak Gallente Myridian Trading Systems	Posted - 2007.05.26 12:36:00 - [7] Hahaah that was funny. What the two have in common is that they both produce minerals it's just the drones produce a fair chunk of it. A herd of cattle A flock of geese A lot of isk remember when sigs were text?
Gibbal Slogspit Buffed Rumpuss Zit Dids	Posted - 2007.05.26 13:06:00 - [8] In my opinion, if all these 'miners' contested the drone regions, the prices would rise again. ATM I just see lots of carebear alliances, all friendly with each other, around those regions, hardly any fighting going on or competition. If for example, 2 alliances contested a part of the drone regions, there wouldnt be any ore or at least little in comparison, coming out of there. So rather than call to CCP, sort it out the player driven way.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.05.26 14:42:00 - [9] Not any time soon. CCP have all but destroyed mining :/. Unless you're mining arkanor or bistot, the difference in prices of ores is now so low that you may as well mine scordite in high sec. And the prices themselves are so low that doing level 2 missions in a cruiser is currently worth more isk than mining any ore in high or low sec, including ore found in rare mining exploration sites, in a hulk with Tech 2 stripminers and the appropriate crystals. A character one week old can do that. Hemorphite and jaspet are worth less than scordite per unit volume. Mining in lowsec is pointless. Arkanor and bistot make a tad less than they used to but only a tad, they're still great moneymakers. All other ores aren't worth mining. There's an entire profession behind mining, specialist skills, special ships and gear. Mining has been a staple of this game since it came out and now there's a vast oversupply of minerals coming in from the drone regions and we can make more isk per hour on a week old character doing missions. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.05.26 16:51:00 - [10] Well level 2 missions is a bit overestimation. Mining is still approx as profitable as lev 3 missions in lower end high sec (as it used to be) with good skills and gead (few months of skills). Lev 4 missions are still better as they have been over past few years than high sec mining (for isk/hour). Only thing that happened is that other low sec / lower end 0.0 ores dropped in price so they got low enough to be in par with high sec mining. Dont see anything happening about it in near future tho. Only thing still worth mining in 0.0 are arkanor/bistot and crokite plus dark glitter ice if you have acsess to bulk trasport. If not acsess to that then can as well mine in high sec.

CCP Chronotis	Posted - 2007.05.26 17:20:00 - [11] mining profession is very much important to us and some solutions will be put in for kali 2 to help but I cant be more specific just yet other than to say it has been high on the agenda.

Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.05.26 19:24:00 - [12] Originally by: CCP Chronotis mining profession is very much important to us and some solutions will be put in for kali 2 to help but I cant be more specific just yet other than to say it has been high on the agenda. Good stuff. I hope it's not just another mining ship or skill or something. The markets are saturated with minerals with the current supply. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Lab Technician071548 Astro-Support Services	Posted - 2007.05.26 20:36:00 - [13] There are two issues, really, and I hope CCP are very, VERY careful about screwing with this as the current situation is a natural end result of market mechanics. Ship demand is down. Why? (1) Everyone now has their t3 bs t2 bc toys so we're in more of a replacement market than an acquisition market. (2) playerbase growth appears to have declined in the last year. (3) The Great War in the South has morphed into something very different that doesn't seem to necessitate gobbling up dozens of battleships every day. Mineral suplly is up. Why? (1) dumping of mins to raise money for war was part of the problem in the beginning but that can't be all of it. (2) New drone zones. This is easily part of the issue but probably not all of it. (3) Ship demand is down, ship building is down, mineral stockpiles go up, prices go down. Only a few minerals seem to continue to thrive. Pyerite, Mexallon, and Megacyte. For those in the tinfoil hat crowd, note that Megacyte and Mexallon are abundant in the South but not in the North.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.27 01:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Lab Technician071548 Mineral suplly is up. Why? (1) dumping of mins to raise money for war was part of the problem in the beginning but that can't be all of it. (2) New drone zones. This is easily part of the issue but probably not all of it. (3) Ship demand is down, ship building is down, mineral stockpiles go up, prices go down. Only a few minerals seem to continue to thrive. Pyerite, Mexallon, and Megacyte. The drones regions killed Zydrine, the HUGE amounts of zydrine those rats produce is insane. If Rogue Drone drops where changed to contain a lot of low ends instead of high ends then people wouldnt haul all of their mins to empire which would cause Zydrine supplies to return to normal and hence its price would rise. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Effei Gloom Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.27 12:04:00 - [15] getting more pilots to 0.0 has influence on the rare mineral market and this was CCP's declared goal so dropping Zydrine and Nocxium prices reflect that compared to low end ore prices, empire miners got a better income now - next minnie Outpost bpc me:5 available in 25 days -
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.05.27 17:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Lab Technician071548 Mineral suplly is up. Why? (1) dumping of mins to raise money for war was part of the problem in the beginning but that can't be all of it. (2) New drone zones. This is easily part of the issue but probably not all of it. (3) Ship demand is down, ship building is down, mineral stockpiles go up, prices go down. Only a few minerals seem to continue to thrive. Pyerite, Mexallon, and Megacyte. The drones regions killed Zydrine, the HUGE amounts of zydrine those rats produce is insane. If Rogue Drone drops where changed to contain a lot of low ends instead of high ends then people wouldnt haul all of their mins to empire which would cause Zydrine supplies to return to normal and hence its price would rise. Getting massive amounts of low ends on the other hand would nuke high sec mining into oblivion. Unless you make drone drops considerably bulkier in whitch case it would nuke ratting in drone regions. Only reason it's still feasible to mine in high sec in my opinion is bcos hauler spawns dropping low ends are still too bulky to be worth dragging into high sec. Can you imagine spawn dropping 30 mil tritanium in easily trasportable form (I have actually seen 30 mil trinatiom drops on hauler spawns in 0.0). Oh sure few n00bs would still mine somewhere but pumping out massive amounts of low ends in non mining profession would be worse for mining as profession in my opinion than current situation.
Master Craftsman Serenity Inc	Posted - 2007.05.28 00:10:00 - [17] Here's an idea. Get your butts out of .0 and go mine in empire. Supply and demand people. Everyone always wants to go to .0 to get the quick isk off highs. Its not so anymore. Tbh i think its a good thing. Too many miners in .0 has had a bad effect on the game in terms of alliances that cannot fight. For all things CAPITAL
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. Southern Connection	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:13:00 - [18] How does one increase mineral demand in a POS war? Make POS' buildable. _______________ Pwett CEO and Founder [QTC]QUANT Corp.
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.28 06:55:00 - [19] Hey Dev, while ya at it.. bring down low end's prices!!! is only fair =P -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.05.28 07:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Petrothian Tong Hey Dev, while ya at it.. bring down low end's prices!!! is only fair =P As long as ship insurance exists there exists also balance in mineral prices in that manner that total 'mineral basket' price equals platinum insurance payout minus insurance cost. That means that if low end mineral price falls high end gets more expencive and vice versa. You cant just 'make it cheaper'.
hideu Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.28 08:09:00 - [21] ytt
Hermia HIVE X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.28 10:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Effei Gloom getting more pilots to 0.0 has influence on the rare mineral market and this was CCP's declared goal so dropping Zydrine and Nocxium prices reflect that compared to low end ore prices, empire miners got a better income now Maybe true im not sure, but getting more players in 0.0 should be a good thing only. It shouldn't affect mineral prices, balancing forces are in effect. More people leads to more deaths leading to higher mineral consumption. well thats the theory. Drone regions As part of X-Pact and therefore resident of the drone regions i have made TONS of cash from drones mineral drops. No one in my circle EVER mined the worthless bistot and arkonor in thos systems. In fact the ores have zero relevance other than Veldspar and Scordite, which we did mine. Interesting that alot of people dont realise that a system without bistot and arkonor in the D-regions is just as good as one with! Something is wrong with that.
Fatsam Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.05.28 11:17:00 - [23] I agree with what is implied in the OP. The whole idea that mining in high sec is more profitable than mining in low sec goes against the whole principle of eve, that is risk vs reward. I have many fond memories of venturing into low sec to mine jaspet in my navitas when I started playing, getting pirated and chased around and killed by them. In fact, the first time I ever spoke to someone outside my corp was in low sec. Many vendettas and allies were formed from this low sec mining (which are still strong after a year), but no-one has the incentive to leave high sec now which ultimately gives them a much less fulfilling game experience in the long run, in my opinion. I could elaborate more, but that about sums up my opinion and I've been waiting for a post to comment on for some time and presumed the issue was censored by CCP or something as Kali has ruined a fundamental profession of the game.
CmdrThor FinFleet	Posted - 2007.05.28 11:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Pwett How does one increase mineral demand in a POS war? Make POS' buildable. But aren't POS' a fairly significant isk sink? If you make them buildable, that would reduce the amount of isk flowing out of the game, wouldn't it?
Redback911 Malevolent Intentions Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.05.28 12:13:00 - [25] Buildable POSes - I like it.
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.28 17:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Elite Marksman People will still mine for the minerals. If you tried to get enough zydrine to build a battleship just from ratting, even in the drone regions, it would take you a very, very long time. Mining is nowhere near as profitable as it used to be, but people will still do it because it is necessary and can be done while semi-afk. If by a "very, very long time" you mean 30 minutes, yeah... long time. (killing 9 battleships in drone areas will yeild 8000 zyd, 25000 noc, 1728 mega). CCP: please fix the asteroids in the new regions.
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.28 19:00:00 - [27] Edited by: Kvaell on 28/05/2007 18:59:38 Originally by: Gibbal Slogspit In my opinion, if all these 'miners' contested the drone regions, the prices would rise again. ATM I just see lots of carebear alliances, all friendly with each other, around those regions, hardly any fighting going on or competition. If for example, 2 alliances contested a part of the drone regions, there wouldnt be any ore or at least little in comparison, coming out of there. So rather than call to CCP, sort it out the player driven way. While I'm not out there myself (yeah newbie), it's certainly not uncontested. I don't think it has the massive scale of those multi alliance wars, but things aren't as quiet as you think. As other drone dwellers has said nerfbat and better mining ares is required and that lies only in CCPs hands.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Carniflex Getting massive amounts of low ends on the other hand would nuke high sec mining into oblivion. Unless you make drone drops considerably bulkier in whitch case it would nuke ratting in drone regions. No it wouldnt, the low ends wouldnt be worth shipping to empire as its simply too bulky. Hence theyre either stored or used inside the drone regions. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
DeltaH NOBODY Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.29 00:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Carniflex Getting massive amounts of low ends on the other hand would nuke high sec mining into oblivion. Unless you make drone drops considerably bulkier in whitch case it would nuke ratting in drone regions. No it wouldnt, the low ends wouldnt be worth shipping to empire as its simply too bulky. Hence theyre either stored or used inside the drone regions. He means if massive amounts of low end m3 are packed into tiny rogue drone drops m3. People would just move the raw drone drops to empire and then refine. So he then says you would have to make rogue drone drops much larger m3 if they contain a lot of low ends and then people would just stop looting them. IMO CCP needs to just admit rogue drones are a bad idea and make them similar to other NPCs in every region. Shooting NPC's shouldn't replace a very well developed and balanced profession such as mining. Yes, I'm defending mining.
DeltaH NOBODY Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.29 00:29:00 - [30] Originally by: AstroPhobic It's truly funny that you think that people in the drone regions make a ridiculous amount of isk; lots of our pilots take breaks and go 15-20 jumps out of their way to rat 800k guristas battleships instead. Drones not only require their "bounty" to be picked up from a wreck, but they need to be stored, hauled, refined, and moved to make anything near a similar profit as another battleship. Once prices dropped, our income dropped too. I don't think anyone is saying make the drone regions worse -- they are saying make the drone regions different. Mining is a very well developed game profession. - it promotes holding space - it promotes securing that space - it rewards teamwork - it is a very democratic profession allowing players of all skill levels to contribute - it has a well developed skill tree supporting the profession - it spreads the isk between all members fairly CCP wanted to try something different in the new regions and that is understandable, but not at the sake of an already very well implimented part of the game.

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