Originally by: Spike Spiegle

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I try to avoid posting in threads like this... but it makes me laugh hearing DP Preacher saying that D2 are/were a "paper Tiger" while BoB once declared everyone as hostile but now seems to have more allies than the old northern "NAP squad".

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Originally by: JForce

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I am impressed with how quickly MC have been able to destroy D2.

It seems that D2 were indeed the paper tiger that BoB made them out to be.

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Originally by: "DeadDuck"

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If you ask me D2 isnÆt dead. Is under terrible external pressure but with the corps leaving the internal pressures are being slowly solved. In the end what will be left is the hard core, and from there D2 will grow again.

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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In the end what will be left is the hard core, and from there D2 will grow again.

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Originally by: Indiano Arko

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Originally by: Spike Spiegle

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I try to avoid posting in threads like this... but it makes me laugh hearing DP Preacher saying that D2 are/were a "paper Tiger" while BoB once declared everyone as hostile but now seems to have more allies than the old northern "NAP squad".

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There is a big difference between "northern NAP squad" and Alliance. We have blue standings because we are fighting along side with same objective against same enemies.

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Originally by: Velios

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Originally by: Mourning Starr

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nice one M.

hope you're all having fun up there!

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Oh yes, it's a real eye-opener I tell you. After 4 years in the South. change is good!

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Originally by: JForce

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I am impressed with how quickly MC have been able to destroy D2.

It seems that D2 were indeed the paper tiger that BoB made them out to be.

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The foundations to the current events in the north and "how quickly MC has been able to destroy D2" have nothing to do with the paper tiger stuff.

D2 Fountain campaign was a disaster. Our forces suffered heavy losses down there, it started with a suicidal jump to Xelas home system, right in the 1st evening there with about 50-70 bs going down ( dont remeber now ), then the titan loss right in the middle of yz-, Y-2 bloody battles, and then F-T in Delve. The fighting spirit was broke there for a lot of people/corps. The POS was destroyed but the amount of forces lost there after such a huge effort from the coalition, didnÆt pay in the end.

D2 was in need of a break there after the F-T episode, but after some days MC started the attacks in Fade and then came P-2 battle. It was decisive I must had, and never again MC forces saw a sizable D2 fleet.

If you ask me D2 isnÆt dead. Is under terrible external pressure but with the corps leaving the internal pressures are being slowly solved. In the end what will be left is the hard core, and from there D2 will grow again.

You really think that MC+friends would have walked in the north vs a fresh D2 ?

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Originally by: Twoside

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Originally by: Indiano Arko

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Originally by: Spike Spiegle

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I try to avoid posting in threads like this... but it makes me laugh hearing DP Preacher saying that D2 are/were a "paper Tiger" while BoB once declared everyone as hostile but now seems to have more allies than the old northern "NAP squad".

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There is a big difference between "northern NAP squad" and Alliance. We have blue standings because we are fighting along side with same objective against same enemies.

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There's indeed a big difference between alliances that've helped each other out a lot of times over a long time span, and a freeloading turncoat alliance like yours, who have no problem shooting the guys that've gone to great length to help you just a few months ago :) Fair play, but don't presume you're in any position to make any comments regarding the "northern nap squad".

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Originally by: fire 59

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Instead of being bitter about being defeated, why don't you focus on the ares you can improve and plan for the future. Look beyond nano gangs and decide what path you wish to take in the game. Coming onto the forms throwing a hissy fit just makes you look like a sore loser. If you did your best, keep you dignity and earned respect and have a good long think about your direction in the game. If you are unable to hold space without the umbrella nap or iron and d2, maybe live in the npc stations and build up from there.

Be courteous in victory as you would in defeat

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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The foundations to the current events in the north and "how quickly MC has been able to destroy D2" have nothing to do with the paper tiger stuff.

D2 Fountain campaign was a disaster. Our forces suffered heavy losses down there, it started with a suicidal jump to Xelas home system, right in the 1st evening there with about 50-70 bs going down ( dont remeber now ), then the titan loss right in the middle of yz-, Y-2 bloody battles, and then F-T in Delve. The fighting spirit was broke there for a lot of people/corps. The POS was destroyed but the amount of forces lost there after such a huge effort from the coalition, didnÆt pay in the end.

D2 was in need of a break there after the F-T episode, but after some days MC started the attacks in Fade and then came P-2 battle. It was decisive I must had, and never again MC forces saw a sizable D2 fleet.

If you ask me D2 isnÆt dead. Is under terrible external pressure but with the corps leaving the internal pressures are being slowly solved. In the end what will be left is the hard core, and from there D2 will grow again.

You really think that MC+friends would have walked in the north vs a fresh D2 ?

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Originally by: fire 59

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Instead of being bitter about being defeated, why don't you focus on the ares you can improve and plan for the future. Look beyond nano gangs and decide what path you wish to take in the game. Coming onto the forms throwing a hissy fit just makes you look like a sore loser. If you did your best, keep you dignity and earned respect and have a good long think about your direction in the game. If you are unable to hold space without the umbrella nap or iron and d2, maybe live in the npc stations and build up from there.

Be courteous in victory as you would in defeat

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Edited by: DeadDuck on 30/05/2007 10:26:00
Edited by: DeadDuck on 30/05/2007 10:20:54

Originally by: JForce

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I am impressed with how quickly MC have been able to destroy D2.

It seems that D2 were indeed the paper tiger that BoB made them out to be.

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The foundations to the current events in the north and "how quickly MC has been able to destroy D2" have nothing to do with the paper tiger stuff.

D2 Fountain campaign was a disaster. Our forces suffered heavy losses down there, it started with a suicidal jump to Xelas home system, right in the 1st evening there with about 50-70 bs going down ( dont remeber now ), then the titan loss right in the middle of yz-, Y-2 bloody battles, and then F-T in Delve. The fighting spirit was broke there for a lot of people/corps. The POS was destroyed but the amount of forces lost there after such a huge effort from the coalition, didnÆt pay in the end.

D2 was in need of a break there after the F-T episode, but after some days MC started the attacks in Fade and then came P-2 battle. It was decisive I must had, and never again MC forces saw a sizable D2 fleet.

If you ask me D2 isnÆt dead. Is under terrible external pressure but with the corps leaving the internal pressures are being slowly solved. In the end what will be left is the hard core, and from there D2 will grow again.

You really think that MC+friends would have walked in the north vs a fresh D2 ?

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Originally by: Adm Tecumseh

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When this is over the political landscape will be vastly different. MC will own territory that is nearly out of it's ability to grasp. How will they handle that? I bet they walk away. After all this was about conquest not expansion.

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Originally by: Myz Toyou

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Edited by: DeadDuck on 30/05/2007 10:26:00
Edited by: DeadDuck on 30/05/2007 10:20:54

Originally by: JForce

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I am impressed with how quickly MC have been able to destroy D2.

It seems that D2 were indeed the paper tiger that BoB made them out to be.

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The foundations to the current events in the north and "how quickly MC has been able to destroy D2" have nothing to do with the paper tiger stuff.

D2 Fountain campaign was a disaster. Our forces suffered heavy losses down there, it started with a suicidal jump to Xelas home system, right in the 1st evening there with about 50-70 bs going down ( dont remeber now ), then the titan loss right in the middle of yz-, Y-2 bloody battles, and then F-T in Delve. The fighting spirit was broke there for a lot of people/corps. The POS was destroyed but the amount of forces lost there after such a huge effort from the coalition, didnÆt pay in the end.

D2 was in need of a break there after the F-T episode, but after some days MC started the attacks in Fade and then came P-2 battle. It was decisive I must had, and never again MC forces saw a sizable D2 fleet.

If you ask me D2 isnÆt dead. Is under terrible external pressure but with the corps leaving the internal pressures are being slowly solved. In the end what will be left is the hard core, and from there D2 will grow again.

You really think that MC+friends would have walked in the north vs a fresh D2 ?

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Are the reasons why these corps leave/left the same that resulted in the YouWhat split-off month ago ?

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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Originally by: Adm Tecumseh

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When this is over the political landscape will be vastly different. MC will own territory that is nearly out of it's ability to grasp. How will they handle that? I bet they walk away. After all this was about conquest not expansion.

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We never really wanted all that space anywayÖ :)

MC doesn't own any more space than P-2 and C4C next to our homes in Period Basis for now.

We don't intend to expand (much) from this campaign.

You were very right, this for us was never about expansion but about conquest.

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Originally by: Admiral Feelgood

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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Originally by: Adm Tecumseh

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When this is over the political landscape will be vastly different. MC will own territory that is nearly out of it's ability to grasp. How will they handle that? I bet they walk away. After all this was about conquest not expansion.

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We never really wanted all that space anywayÖ :)

MC doesn't own any more space than P-2 and C4C next to our homes in Period Basis for now.

We don't intend to expand (much) from this campaign.

You were very right, this for us was never about expansion but about conquest.

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I thought this was about your contract.

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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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Credit where credit is due, you were right, D2 were nothing but a paper tiger

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Originally by: Orree

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Edited by: Orree on 29/05/2007 18:49:17
Indeed...credit where credit is due. Scoreboard never lies.


Those of us who continue to resist BoB and its allies as best we can cannot be faulted for sticking to our guns and our principles. A lot of us have always been shot at by BoB and their friends, and so we do our best to fight back.

D2 got this latest "thing" started and a lot of people got involved with next to no notice and little time to prepare for what lay ahead. Now D2 appears to be done. The "rest" of us continue to do what we have always done...travel the hard path of being red to BoB.

D2's end surprised me a bit...when dbp said what he said, I thought he was wrong. Then again, I wasn't counting on so many turncoats and people who just dropped out. Seeing D2 splinter yet again didn't help. Few entities can stand up to that kind of turmoil. I know that Morsus Mihi appreciates all the past assistance that D2 provided during our time of need.


Those of us in the North who remain committed to resisting have nothing to be ashamed of. We're now fighting for our homes and remaining committed to each other as we always have been. Some people like to deride us and call us the "Northern NAP Fest" or whatever. Call it what you want, but the main entities in the North have always been friends and are always there for each other. Those with the weak ties have already pulled out, turned-coat or just disintegrated.

Those that chose the easy path made the choices that were expedient for them. Great. Not exceptionally brave, but I guess a comfortable choice. Enjoy your new lives.


Whatever happens, its been a relatively enjoyable fight when you exclude the incredible lag and server issues.

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Originally by: Heptameron

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Spose the only other thing to say is good luck, less lag and let's keep it smack free! (that includes seleene, we know bumpin an MS is like trying to knock a bus off the road with a bicyle but hey.... twas funny to watch )

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Originally by: Twoside

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There's indeed a big difference between alliances that've helped each other out a lot of times over a long time span, and a freeloading turncoat alliance like yours, who have no problem shooting the guys that've gone to great length to help you just a few months ago :) Fair play, but don't presume you're in any position to make any comments regarding the "northern nap squad".

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Originally by: Orree

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With all due respect, that is not our style.

The "field" is our principles. The "field" is our resolve to continue to fight an entity that made us their enemy and continues to make us so through its actions. The "field" is our "home." It is where we live.
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See you on the "field."

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Originally by: Indiano Arko

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Shooting the guys who turned their back to us by NAPing Smashkill you meant?
Eye for an eye.

Northern blue +'s actually worth nothing as we saw in the past and as we can see during this campaign.

P.S. What I say have no relation to official ESA position. It is only my POV.

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Originally by: Orree

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With all due respect, that is not our style.

The "field" is our principles. The "field" is our resolve to continue to fight an entity that made us their enemy and continues to make us so through its actions. The "field" is our "home." It is where we live.
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See you on the "field."

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No disrespect was intended. In fact, MM like Sparta and FLA have more than earned it. What I was suggesting is that you could take a path similar to Sparta and retain your territory and infrastructure or like FLA and keep your alliance but lose your territory. One or the other is inevitable.

There are a few moves left in the North but checkmate is now guaranteed. By your reply I guess that will be when all you have left standings is your king.

Ineed, see you on the field.

Deck

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Originally by: Skape Gote

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To me theres a certain amount of poetic justice to whats happened in the North.

D2 was probably the straw that broke LV's back ... they did a good job distracting BoB from fortifying LV in the South. ... D2 was very complicit in the destruction of LV.

Ironically the split up of LV helped the Alliance by the remaining fragments being spread all over and wanting revenge. ...

It raises a smile that D2 who having helped destroy LV now see BKG taken over by one of the aforementioned entities.
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Originally by: The Hooch

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Nothing worse than a yapping lap dog pretending they do their own dirty work.

At least BoB does their own fighting and take what they fight for, Xelas simply fights over the crumbs that fall from their masters feasting table.

You live by the grace of your masters, you must be proud.

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Originally by: Twoside

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Maybe talk to someone who talks officially for esa and get your facts straight first ;)

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