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[08:42] <Loxy> 2007.05.29 12:42:43 Notify The station D2 Branch BKG Stronghold Refinery has been captured by Eternity INC. corporation!

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Originally by: Enochia Starr

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As i said, no battle at all.

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.

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Originally by: w0rmy

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Originally by: Enochia Starr

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As i said, no battle at all.

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Not true, a Hyperion did undock

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.

They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.

They know if they were to try and *bring* it against BoB it would be nothing but a massive failure from start to finish and would end up with them losing all of their 0.0 space.

That is why they have chosen to attack ISS instead in a vain effort to keep their ever decreasing pool of pvp'ers from leaving the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

weak.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 29/05/2007 14:58:42
Here is a choice quote for y'all, just coz I'm in such a good mood ^^

From here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=454918&page=3#86

Originally by: DB Preacher

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D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.



They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.

They know if they were to try and *bring* it against BoB it would be nothing but a massive failure from start to finish and would end up with them losing all of their 0.0 space.

That is why they have chosen to attack ISS instead in a vain effort to keep their ever decreasing pool of pvp'ers from leaving the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

weak.

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I hate to say I told you so but there is nothing finer than being validating historically in this game.

Congrats to MC and all the allies up there for driving the nail all the way through their space, very very impressive.

Look forward to visiting there this evening to say hello.

dbp

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 29/05/2007 14:58:42
Here is a choice quote for y'all, just coz I'm in such a good mood ^^

From here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=454918&page=3#86

Originally by: DB Preacher

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D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.

They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.

They know if they were to try and *bring* it against BoB it would be nothing but a massive failure from start to finish and would end up with them losing all of their 0.0 space.

That is why they have chosen to attack ISS instead in a vain effort to keep their ever decreasing pool of pvp'ers from leaving the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

weak.

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I hate to say I told you so but there is nothing finer than being validating historically in this game.

Congrats to MC and all the allies up there for driving the nail all the way through their space, very very impressive.

Look forward to visiting there this evening to say hello.

dbp

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Originally by: Benglada

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And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?

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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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Ignoring the **** you've been posting in other threads lately i will say this.

Credit where credit is due, you were right, D2 were nothing but a paper tiger, you obviously knew something we didn't. When you posted that originally I thought it was propaganda to be honest.

It's proberbly why we never had many fights with them while we were in Pure Blind and surrounding areas.

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Originally by: darth solo

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iv been told D2 are camping next to obe in a couple of MS blowing up everything that comes in. good to see them putting these mighty ships to good use.

d solo.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 29/05/2007 14:58:42
Here is a choice quote for y'all, just coz I'm in such a good mood ^^

From here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=454918&page=3#86

Originally by: DB Preacher

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D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.

They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.

They know if they were to try and *bring* it against BoB it would be nothing but a massive failure from start to finish and would end up with them losing all of their 0.0 space.

That is why they have chosen to attack ISS instead in a vain effort to keep their ever decreasing pool of pvp'ers from leaving the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

weak.

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I hate to say I told you so but there is nothing finer than being validating historically in this game.

Congrats to MC and all the allies up there for driving the nail all the way through their space, very very impressive.

Look forward to visiting there this evening to say hello.

dbp

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Originally by: Zeros Omega RKK member

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...the pilots in the alliance:
Teamwork
All nighters before work
People who are getting yelled at by their significant others and still playing

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Originally by: juduzz

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Edited by: juduzz on 29/05/2007 16:43:38
gratz guys wish i hadnt of been busy :/

hope you did a conga line seleene! you did promise!

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 29/05/2007 14:58:42
Here is a choice quote for y'all, just coz I'm in such a good mood ^^

From here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=454918&page=3#86

Originally by: DB Preacher

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D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.

They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.

They know if they were to try and *bring* it against BoB it would be nothing but a massive failure from start to finish and would end up with them losing all of their 0.0 space.

That is why they have chosen to attack ISS instead in a vain effort to keep their ever decreasing pool of pvp'ers from leaving the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

weak.

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I hate to say I told you so but there is nothing finer than being validating historically in this game.

Congrats to MC and all the allies up there for driving the nail all the way through their space, very very impressive.

Look forward to visiting there this evening to say hello.

dbp

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Originally by: Mourning Starr

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nice one M.

hope you're all having fun up there!

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Originally by: Dalanoria

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Congratz MC, shame on the coalition.Every alliance not blue with BOB just sealed their fate in EO...6 months or less from now Ragoon will be dead.

This proves all you need to do is use forum propaganda and win a few decisive battles to make a alliance fall apart.....

Just about everyone has a alt in Goonswarm, so its not like they can hide anything they do, and it looks like they are falling apart anyway..Alot of arguing in alliance chat etc....

so 8mo from now EO will be unofficialy over. MC + BOB will have nobody to use their capital fleet against, their pvp'rs will get bored, not log in, then get cought playing WOW Warlocks and smack talking in Barrens chat....

GAME OVER

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Originally by: Orree

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Indeed...credit where credit is due. Scoreboard never lies.


Those of us who continue to resist BoB and its allies as best we can cannot be faulted for sticking to our guns and our principles. A lot of us have always been shot at by BoB and their friends, and so we do our best to fight back.

D2 got this lasted "thing" started and a lot of people got involved with next to no notice and little time to prepare for what lay ahead. Now D2 appears to be done. The "rest" of us continue to do what we have always done...travel the hard path of being red to BoB.

D2's end surprised me a bit...when dbp said what he said, I thought he was wrong. Then again, I wasn't counting on so many turncoats and people who just dropped out. Seeing D2 splinter yet again didn't help. Few entities can stand up to that kind of turmoil. I know that Morsus Mihi appreciates all the past assistance that D2 provided during our time of need.


Those of us in the North who remain committed to resisting have nothing to be ashamed of. We're now fighting for our homes and remaining committed to each other as we always have been. Some people like to deride us and call us the "Northern NAP Fest" or whatever. Call it what you want, but the main entities in the North have always been friends and are always there for each other. Those with the weak ties have already pulled out, turned-coat or just disintegrated.

Those that chose the easy path made the choices that were expedient for them. Great. Not exceptionally brave, but I guess a comfortable choice. Enjoy your new lives.


Whatever happens, its been a relatively enjoyable fight when you exclude the incredible lag and server issues.

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 29/05/2007 14:58:42
Here is a choice quote for y'all, just coz I'm in such a good mood ^^

From here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=454918&page=3#86

Originally by: DB Preacher

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D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.

They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.

They know if they were to try and *bring* it against BoB it would be nothing but a massive failure from start to finish and would end up with them losing all of their 0.0 space.

That is why they have chosen to attack ISS instead in a vain effort to keep their ever decreasing pool of pvp'ers from leaving the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

weak.

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I hate to say I told you so but there is nothing finer than being validating historically in this game.

Congrats to MC and all the allies up there for driving the nail all the way through their space, very very impressive.

Look forward to visiting there this evening to say hello.

dbp

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*snip*

Shame on you, the old BoB is as dead as is G, as is EVE.

Trolling. -Elmo Pug

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Originally by: Ferocious FeAr

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Originally by: Dalanoria

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Congratz MC, shame on the coalition.Every alliance not blue with BOB just sealed their fate in EO...6 months or less from now Ragoon will be dead.

This proves all you need to do is use forum propaganda and win a few decisive battles to make a alliance fall apart.....

Just about everyone has a alt in Goonswarm, so its not like they can hide anything they do, and it looks like they are falling apart anyway..Alot of arguing in alliance chat etc....

so 8mo from now EO will be unofficialy over. MC + BOB will have nobody to use their capital fleet against, their pvp'rs will get bored, not log in, then get cought playing WOW Warlocks and smack talking in Barrens chat....

GAME OVER

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I rather get caught drinking fermented horse urine than play that terrible game.

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Originally by: Orree

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Edited by: Orree on 29/05/2007 18:49:17
Indeed...credit where credit is due. Scoreboard never lies.


Those of us who continue to resist BoB and its allies as best we can cannot be faulted for sticking to our guns and our principles. A lot of us have always been shot at by BoB and their friends, and so we do our best to fight back.

D2 got this latest "thing" started and a lot of people got involved with next to no notice and little time to prepare for what lay ahead. Now D2 appears to be done. The "rest" of us continue to do what we have always done...travel the hard path of being red to BoB.

D2's end surprised me a bit...when dbp said what he said, I thought he was wrong. Then again, I wasn't counting on so many turncoats and people who just dropped out. Seeing D2 splinter yet again didn't help. Few entities can stand up to that kind of turmoil. I know that Morsus Mihi appreciates all the past assistance that D2 provided during our time of need.


Those of us in the North who remain committed to resisting have nothing to be ashamed of. We're now fighting for our homes and remaining committed to each other as we always have been. Some people like to deride us and call us the "Northern NAP Fest" or whatever. Call it what you want, but the main entities in the North have always been friends and are always there for each other. Those with the weak ties have already pulled out, turned-coat or just disintegrated.

Those that chose the easy path made the choices that were expedient for them. Great. Not exceptionally brave, but I guess a comfortable choice. Enjoy your new lives.


Whatever happens, its been a relatively enjoyable fight when you exclude the incredible lag and server issues.

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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Originally by: Orree

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Indeed...credit where credit is due. Scoreboard never lies.


Those of us who continue to resist BoB and its allies as best we can cannot be faulted for sticking to our guns and our principles. A lot of us have always been shot at by BoB and their friends, and so we do our best to fight back.

D2 got this lasted "thing" started and a lot of people got involved with next to no notice and little time to prepare for what lay ahead. Now D2 appears to be done. The "rest" of us continue to do what we have always done...travel the hard path of being red to BoB.

D2's end surprised me a bit...when dbp said what he said, I thought he was wrong. Then again, I wasn't counting on so many turncoats and people who just dropped out. Seeing D2 splinter yet again didn't help. Few entities can stand up to that kind of turmoil. I know that Morsus Mihi appreciates all the past assistance that D2 provided during our time of need.


Those of us in the North who remain committed to resisting have nothing to be ashamed of. We're now fighting for our homes and remaining committed to each other as we always have been. Some people like to deride us and call us the "Northern NAP Fest" or whatever. Call it what you want, but the main entities in the North have always been friends and are always there for each other. Those with the weak ties have already pulled out, turned-coat or just disintegrated.

Those that chose the easy path made the choices that were expedient for them. Great. Not exceptionally brave, but I guess a comfortable choice. Enjoy your new lives.


Whatever happens, its been a relatively enjoyable fight when you exclude the incredible lag and server issues.

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This post describes perfectly well why MC will always have Morsus Mihi in the highest regard.

Your will to fight is comparable to the likes of FLA. It is always great to exchange fire with you guys.

Not bad for a bunch of Trekkies

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Originally by: Ace Frehley

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As I always said, biggest misstake was to throw out LV of tenerifis..
"Freed" over 3k of players to *****havoc somewhere else.....

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Originally by: Aegis Osiris

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Nice post Orree :) Definite class.

One wonders who you were in your past SFC life....perhaps a familiar face :) (<---ex froggie, fear the Pulsing Pleasure Device!)

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Originally by: Myz Toyou

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Originally by: Ace Frehley

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As I always said, biggest misstake was to throw out LV of tenerifis..
"Freed" over 3k of players to *****havoc somewhere else.....

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You only had to recruite them to your nekkit mining ops in empire Ace

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Originally by: Jags

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I am enjoying our time up north much more than in the south tbh.

Less smack some honourable fights , lasts nights with Razor was just ****in awesome

Top marks to our friends and to out enemies , we are having fun and thats what its all about

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Originally by: Orree

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Edited by: Orree on 29/05/2007 18:49:17
Indeed...credit where credit is due. Scoreboard never lies.


Those of us who continue to resist BoB and its allies as best we can cannot be faulted for sticking to our guns and our principles. A lot of us have always been shot at by BoB and their friends, and so we do our best to fight back.

D2 got this latest "thing" started and a lot of people got involved with next to no notice and little time to prepare for what lay ahead. Now D2 appears to be done. The "rest" of us continue to do what we have always done...travel the hard path of being red to BoB.

D2's end surprised me a bit...when dbp said what he said, I thought he was wrong. Then again, I wasn't counting on so many turncoats and people who just dropped out. Seeing D2 splinter yet again didn't help. Few entities can stand up to that kind of turmoil. I know that Morsus Mihi appreciates all the past assistance that D2 provided during our time of need.


Those of us in the North who remain committed to resisting have nothing to be ashamed of. We're now fighting for our homes and remaining committed to each other as we always have been. Some people like to deride us and call us the "Northern NAP Fest" or whatever. Call it what you want, but the main entities in the North have always been friends and are always there for each other. Those with the weak ties have already pulled out, turned-coat or just disintegrated.

Those that chose the easy path made the choices that were expedient for them. Great. Not exceptionally brave, but I guess a comfortable choice. Enjoy your new lives.


Whatever happens, its been a relatively enjoyable fight when you exclude the incredible lag and server issues.

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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*snip*
Shame on you, the old BoB is as dead as is G, as is EVE.
Trolling. -Elmo Pug

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Originally by: Dalanoria

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so 8mo from now EO will be unofficialy over. MC + BOB will have nobody to use their capital fleet against, their pvp'rs will get bored, not log in, then get cought playing WOW Warlocks and smack talking in Barrens chat....

GAME OVER

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Originally by: Orree

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...excellent stuff...

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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MM should consider leaving the field with their heads help high. Both Sparta and FLA have. D2 have abandoned you.

D2 is dead, thats the only fact relevent to your statement that you haven't mentioned.

Deck

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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MM should consider leaving the field with their heads help high. Both Sparta and FLA have. D2 have abandoned you.
Deck

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Originally by: Orree

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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MM should consider leaving the field with their heads help high. Both Sparta and FLA have. D2 have abandoned you.
Deck

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With all due respect, that is not our style.

The "field" is our principles. The "field" is our resolve to continue to fight an entity that made us their enemy and continues to make us so through its actions. The "field" is our "home." It is where we live.

We do not compromise or leave the "field" just because it is easier or more lucrative...or...what is the term people use.."fun" to do so.

I came from Fountain Alliance. After BoB defeated FA, I continued to live in Fountain as a member of a non-alliance corp and then as a member of Vertigo Coalition. Still fighting the same fight. Tiring of the Fountain region and with an interest in trying to hold conquerable space (Fountain is NPC space), Shiva moved to Tribute and joined Morsus Mihi. Same goals...same enemies...same principles. Same "field."

All of our moves have been aligned with our principles. Our enemy has always been the same. It will likely always be the same. We do not "switch sides" or leave "fields" because it is expedient or comfortable to do so.

I have seen many, many, many ex-compatriots and erstwhile "allies" leave the "field" and take the easy (or fun or whatever you want to call it) way out.

Try walking a mile in our shoes before you pass judgement on us. Would you have the same resolve without BoB support? Your side is rich with people for whom the answer is a resounding "no."

See you on the "field."

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Originally by: Mistae

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When this war started it seamed like if the forces aligned against BoB could simply apply pressure on BOB from all directions and they could use their greater numbers to wear BOB down they would win.

Maybe they did and I didn't see it; but I never got the impression that there was a co-ordinated push by BOB's enemys, committing their entire resources, day after day attacking BoB directly it all seamed hit and miss with no overall command with a clear strategy.

Anyone have a good theory of why this never happened?

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Originally by: DeltaH

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I wouldn't be surprised if MM is left alone in Tribute. Having some red around the North, as long as it isn't D2, would keep things healthier.

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Originally by: Orree

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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MM should consider leaving the field with their heads help high. Both Sparta and FLA have. D2 have abandoned you.
Deck

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With all due respect, that is not our style.

The "field" is our principles. The "field" is our resolve to continue to fight an entity that made us their enemy and continues to make us so through its actions. The "field" is our "home." It is where we live.

We do not compromise or leave the "field" just because it is easier or more lucrative...or...what is the term people use.."fun" to do so.

I came from Fountain Alliance. After BoB defeated FA, I continued to live in Fountain as a member of a non-alliance corp and then as a member of Vertigo Coalition. Still fighting the same fight. Tiring of the Fountain region and with an interest in trying to hold conquerable space (Fountain is NPC space), Shiva moved to Tribute and joined Morsus Mihi. Same goals...same enemies...same principles. Same "field."

All of our moves have been aligned with our principles. Our enemy has always been the same. It will likely always be the same. We do not "switch sides" or leave "fields" because it is expedient or comfortable to do so.

I have seen many, many, many ex-compatriots and erstwhile "allies" leave the "field" and take the easy (or fun or whatever you want to call it) way out.

Try walking a mile in our shoes before you pass judgement on us. Would you have the same resolve without BoB support? Your side is rich with people for whom the answer is a resounding "no."

See you on the "field."

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Originally by: darkfuntime

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I for one enjoyed the fight as many other D2 members do.Instead of crying about BoD,D2 with many others tried put BoD in this place.It is allway better to try then b*tch and do nothing then wine on eve-o about Bod.For this i have to give props to all D2 members that are still fighting the good fight.As for giving props to band of devs,well the name says it all.In most cases i would say good fight but i just cant see it. For all that know me we will be ganking the same and some new spots,still fighting to good fight.Maybe in the end the eve gods will help us cheat alittle too

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Originally by: Orree

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Originally by: DeltaH

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I wouldn't be surprised if MM is left alone in Tribute. Having some red around the North, as long as it isn't D2, would keep things healthier.

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We have things in our stations other people want.

It really wouldn't be very tenable for MM if it is the lone "red spot" in the North, though. Not in terms of attempting to hold conquerable space. Sure, you could guerilla it up in Venal. That's not hard. It's been done...most of us have lots of experience with it. It's not really a goal for us, though.

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Originally by: slothe

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Ill be surprised if bob can take down ragoon tbh, i think ra have survived incredibly well over time.

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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MM should consider leaving the field with their heads help high. Both Sparta and FLA have. D2 have abandoned you.

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Originally by: violator2k5

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Originally by: slothe

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Ill be surprised if bob can take down ragoon tbh, i think ra have survived incredibly well over time.

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tbh RA havent really done much over time apart from assist with some caps on pos take downs. its only now that they are faced with acting instead of sitting back like they had been doing so far. if the battle we had with them in 77s is anything to go by things are starting to look very interesting

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.

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Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT

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*snip* Trolling. -Elmo Pug

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Originally by: Spike Spiegle

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I try to avoid posting in threads like this... but it makes me laugh hearing DP Preacher saying that D2 are/were a "paper Tiger" while BoB once declared everyone as hostile but now seems to have more allies than the old northern "NAP squad".

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Originally by: JennyCraigSuccessStory

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Edited by: JennyCraigSuccessStory on 30/05/2007 06:04:28

Originally by: Spike Spiegle

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I try to avoid posting in threads like this... but it makes me laugh hearing DP Preacher saying that D2 are/were a "paper Tiger" while BoB once declared everyone as hostile but now seems to have more allies than the old northern "NAP squad".

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BoB would have lost without their super NAP skills. so much for saying they want to take everyone on.

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Originally by: Dalanoria

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so 8mo from now EO will be unofficialy over. MC + BOB will have nobody to use their capital fleet against, their pvp'rs will get bored, not log in, then get cought playing WOW Warlocks and smack talking in Barrens chat....
GAME OVER

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Originally by: Spike Spiegle

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I try to avoid posting in threads like this... but it makes me laugh hearing DP Preacher saying that D2 are/were a "paper Tiger" while BoB once declared everyone as hostile but now seems to have more allies than the old northern "NAP squad".

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Originally by: JForce

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I am impressed with how quickly MC have been able to destroy D2.

It seems that D2 were indeed the paper tiger that BoB made them out to be.

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Originally by: "DeadDuck"

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If you ask me D2 isnÆt dead. Is under terrible external pressure but with the corps leaving the internal pressures are being slowly solved. In the end what will be left is the hard core, and from there D2 will grow again.

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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In the end what will be left is the hard core, and from there D2 will grow again.

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Originally by: Indiano Arko

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Originally by: Spike Spiegle

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I try to avoid posting in threads like this... but it makes me laugh hearing DP Preacher saying that D2 are/were a "paper Tiger" while BoB once declared everyone as hostile but now seems to have more allies than the old northern "NAP squad".

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There is a big difference between "northern NAP squad" and Alliance. We have blue standings because we are fighting along side with same objective against same enemies.

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Originally by: Velios

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Originally by: Mourning Starr

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nice one M.

hope you're all having fun up there!

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Oh yes, it's a real eye-opener I tell you. After 4 years in the South. change is good!

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Originally by: JForce

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I am impressed with how quickly MC have been able to destroy D2.

It seems that D2 were indeed the paper tiger that BoB made them out to be.

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The foundations to the current events in the north and "how quickly MC has been able to destroy D2" have nothing to do with the paper tiger stuff.

D2 Fountain campaign was a disaster. Our forces suffered heavy losses down there, it started with a suicidal jump to Xelas home system, right in the 1st evening there with about 50-70 bs going down ( dont remeber now ), then the titan loss right in the middle of yz-, Y-2 bloody battles, and then F-T in Delve. The fighting spirit was broke there for a lot of people/corps. The POS was destroyed but the amount of forces lost there after such a huge effort from the coalition, didnÆt pay in the end.

D2 was in need of a break there after the F-T episode, but after some days MC started the attacks in Fade and then came P-2 battle. It was decisive I must had, and never again MC forces saw a sizable D2 fleet.

If you ask me D2 isnÆt dead. Is under terrible external pressure but with the corps leaving the internal pressures are being slowly solved. In the end what will be left is the hard core, and from there D2 will grow again.

You really think that MC+friends would have walked in the north vs a fresh D2 ?

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Originally by: Twoside

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Originally by: Indiano Arko

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Originally by: Spike Spiegle

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I try to avoid posting in threads like this... but it makes me laugh hearing DP Preacher saying that D2 are/were a "paper Tiger" while BoB once declared everyone as hostile but now seems to have more allies than the old northern "NAP squad".

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There is a big difference between "northern NAP squad" and Alliance. We have blue standings because we are fighting along side with same objective against same enemies.

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There's indeed a big difference between alliances that've helped each other out a lot of times over a long time span, and a freeloading turncoat alliance like yours, who have no problem shooting the guys that've gone to great length to help you just a few months ago :) Fair play, but don't presume you're in any position to make any comments regarding the "northern nap squad".

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Originally by: fire 59

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Instead of being bitter about being defeated, why don't you focus on the ares you can improve and plan for the future. Look beyond nano gangs and decide what path you wish to take in the game. Coming onto the forms throwing a hissy fit just makes you look like a sore loser. If you did your best, keep you dignity and earned respect and have a good long think about your direction in the game. If you are unable to hold space without the umbrella nap or iron and d2, maybe live in the npc stations and build up from there.

Be courteous in victory as you would in defeat

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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The foundations to the current events in the north and "how quickly MC has been able to destroy D2" have nothing to do with the paper tiger stuff.

D2 Fountain campaign was a disaster. Our forces suffered heavy losses down there, it started with a suicidal jump to Xelas home system, right in the 1st evening there with about 50-70 bs going down ( dont remeber now ), then the titan loss right in the middle of yz-, Y-2 bloody battles, and then F-T in Delve. The fighting spirit was broke there for a lot of people/corps. The POS was destroyed but the amount of forces lost there after such a huge effort from the coalition, didnÆt pay in the end.

D2 was in need of a break there after the F-T episode, but after some days MC started the attacks in Fade and then came P-2 battle. It was decisive I must had, and never again MC forces saw a sizable D2 fleet.

If you ask me D2 isnÆt dead. Is under terrible external pressure but with the corps leaving the internal pressures are being slowly solved. In the end what will be left is the hard core, and from there D2 will grow again.

You really think that MC+friends would have walked in the north vs a fresh D2 ?

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Originally by: fire 59

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Instead of being bitter about being defeated, why don't you focus on the ares you can improve and plan for the future. Look beyond nano gangs and decide what path you wish to take in the game. Coming onto the forms throwing a hissy fit just makes you look like a sore loser. If you did your best, keep you dignity and earned respect and have a good long think about your direction in the game. If you are unable to hold space without the umbrella nap or iron and d2, maybe live in the npc stations and build up from there.

Be courteous in victory as you would in defeat

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Edited by: DeadDuck on 30/05/2007 10:26:00
Edited by: DeadDuck on 30/05/2007 10:20:54

Originally by: JForce

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I am impressed with how quickly MC have been able to destroy D2.

It seems that D2 were indeed the paper tiger that BoB made them out to be.

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The foundations to the current events in the north and "how quickly MC has been able to destroy D2" have nothing to do with the paper tiger stuff.

D2 Fountain campaign was a disaster. Our forces suffered heavy losses down there, it started with a suicidal jump to Xelas home system, right in the 1st evening there with about 50-70 bs going down ( dont remeber now ), then the titan loss right in the middle of yz-, Y-2 bloody battles, and then F-T in Delve. The fighting spirit was broke there for a lot of people/corps. The POS was destroyed but the amount of forces lost there after such a huge effort from the coalition, didnÆt pay in the end.

D2 was in need of a break there after the F-T episode, but after some days MC started the attacks in Fade and then came P-2 battle. It was decisive I must had, and never again MC forces saw a sizable D2 fleet.

If you ask me D2 isnÆt dead. Is under terrible external pressure but with the corps leaving the internal pressures are being slowly solved. In the end what will be left is the hard core, and from there D2 will grow again.

You really think that MC+friends would have walked in the north vs a fresh D2 ?

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Originally by: Adm Tecumseh

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When this is over the political landscape will be vastly different. MC will own territory that is nearly out of it's ability to grasp. How will they handle that? I bet they walk away. After all this was about conquest not expansion.

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Originally by: Myz Toyou

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Edited by: DeadDuck on 30/05/2007 10:26:00
Edited by: DeadDuck on 30/05/2007 10:20:54

Originally by: JForce

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I am impressed with how quickly MC have been able to destroy D2.

It seems that D2 were indeed the paper tiger that BoB made them out to be.

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The foundations to the current events in the north and "how quickly MC has been able to destroy D2" have nothing to do with the paper tiger stuff.

D2 Fountain campaign was a disaster. Our forces suffered heavy losses down there, it started with a suicidal jump to Xelas home system, right in the 1st evening there with about 50-70 bs going down ( dont remeber now ), then the titan loss right in the middle of yz-, Y-2 bloody battles, and then F-T in Delve. The fighting spirit was broke there for a lot of people/corps. The POS was destroyed but the amount of forces lost there after such a huge effort from the coalition, didnÆt pay in the end.

D2 was in need of a break there after the F-T episode, but after some days MC started the attacks in Fade and then came P-2 battle. It was decisive I must had, and never again MC forces saw a sizable D2 fleet.

If you ask me D2 isnÆt dead. Is under terrible external pressure but with the corps leaving the internal pressures are being slowly solved. In the end what will be left is the hard core, and from there D2 will grow again.

You really think that MC+friends would have walked in the north vs a fresh D2 ?

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Are the reasons why these corps leave/left the same that resulted in the YouWhat split-off month ago ?

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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Originally by: Adm Tecumseh

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When this is over the political landscape will be vastly different. MC will own territory that is nearly out of it's ability to grasp. How will they handle that? I bet they walk away. After all this was about conquest not expansion.

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We never really wanted all that space anywayÖ :)

MC doesn't own any more space than P-2 and C4C next to our homes in Period Basis for now.

We don't intend to expand (much) from this campaign.

You were very right, this for us was never about expansion but about conquest.

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Originally by: Admiral Feelgood

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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Originally by: Adm Tecumseh

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When this is over the political landscape will be vastly different. MC will own territory that is nearly out of it's ability to grasp. How will they handle that? I bet they walk away. After all this was about conquest not expansion.

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We never really wanted all that space anywayÖ :)

MC doesn't own any more space than P-2 and C4C next to our homes in Period Basis for now.

We don't intend to expand (much) from this campaign.

You were very right, this for us was never about expansion but about conquest.

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I thought this was about your contract.

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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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Credit where credit is due, you were right, D2 were nothing but a paper tiger

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Originally by: Orree

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Edited by: Orree on 29/05/2007 18:49:17
Indeed...credit where credit is due. Scoreboard never lies.


Those of us who continue to resist BoB and its allies as best we can cannot be faulted for sticking to our guns and our principles. A lot of us have always been shot at by BoB and their friends, and so we do our best to fight back.

D2 got this latest "thing" started and a lot of people got involved with next to no notice and little time to prepare for what lay ahead. Now D2 appears to be done. The "rest" of us continue to do what we have always done...travel the hard path of being red to BoB.

D2's end surprised me a bit...when dbp said what he said, I thought he was wrong. Then again, I wasn't counting on so many turncoats and people who just dropped out. Seeing D2 splinter yet again didn't help. Few entities can stand up to that kind of turmoil. I know that Morsus Mihi appreciates all the past assistance that D2 provided during our time of need.


Those of us in the North who remain committed to resisting have nothing to be ashamed of. We're now fighting for our homes and remaining committed to each other as we always have been. Some people like to deride us and call us the "Northern NAP Fest" or whatever. Call it what you want, but the main entities in the North have always been friends and are always there for each other. Those with the weak ties have already pulled out, turned-coat or just disintegrated.

Those that chose the easy path made the choices that were expedient for them. Great. Not exceptionally brave, but I guess a comfortable choice. Enjoy your new lives.


Whatever happens, its been a relatively enjoyable fight when you exclude the incredible lag and server issues.

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Originally by: Heptameron

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Spose the only other thing to say is good luck, less lag and let's keep it smack free! (that includes seleene, we know bumpin an MS is like trying to knock a bus off the road with a bicyle but hey.... twas funny to watch )

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Originally by: Twoside

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There's indeed a big difference between alliances that've helped each other out a lot of times over a long time span, and a freeloading turncoat alliance like yours, who have no problem shooting the guys that've gone to great length to help you just a few months ago :) Fair play, but don't presume you're in any position to make any comments regarding the "northern nap squad".

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Originally by: Orree

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With all due respect, that is not our style.

The "field" is our principles. The "field" is our resolve to continue to fight an entity that made us their enemy and continues to make us so through its actions. The "field" is our "home." It is where we live.
......
See you on the "field."

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Originally by: Indiano Arko

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Shooting the guys who turned their back to us by NAPing Smashkill you meant?
Eye for an eye.

Northern blue +'s actually worth nothing as we saw in the past and as we can see during this campaign.

P.S. What I say have no relation to official ESA position. It is only my POV.

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Originally by: Orree

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With all due respect, that is not our style.

The "field" is our principles. The "field" is our resolve to continue to fight an entity that made us their enemy and continues to make us so through its actions. The "field" is our "home." It is where we live.
......
See you on the "field."

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No disrespect was intended. In fact, MM like Sparta and FLA have more than earned it. What I was suggesting is that you could take a path similar to Sparta and retain your territory and infrastructure or like FLA and keep your alliance but lose your territory. One or the other is inevitable.

There are a few moves left in the North but checkmate is now guaranteed. By your reply I guess that will be when all you have left standings is your king.

Ineed, see you on the field.

Deck

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Originally by: Skape Gote

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To me theres a certain amount of poetic justice to whats happened in the North.

D2 was probably the straw that broke LV's back ... they did a good job distracting BoB from fortifying LV in the South. ... D2 was very complicit in the destruction of LV.

Ironically the split up of LV helped the Alliance by the remaining fragments being spread all over and wanting revenge. ...

It raises a smile that D2 who having helped destroy LV now see BKG taken over by one of the aforementioned entities.
...

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Originally by: The Hooch

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Nothing worse than a yapping lap dog pretending they do their own dirty work.

At least BoB does their own fighting and take what they fight for, Xelas simply fights over the crumbs that fall from their masters feasting table.

You live by the grace of your masters, you must be proud.

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Originally by: Twoside

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Maybe talk to someone who talks officially for esa and get your facts straight first ;)

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Originally by: Orree

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With all due respect, that is not our style.

The "field" is our principles. The "field" is our resolve to continue to fight an entity that made us their enemy and continues to make us so through its actions. The "field" is our "home." It is where we live.
......
See you on the "field."

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No disrespect was intended. In fact, MM like Sparta and FLA have more than earned it. What I was suggesting is that you could take a path similar to Sparta and retain your territory and infrastructure or like FLA and keep your alliance but lose your territory. One or the other is inevitable.

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Originally by: Orree

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With all due respect, that is not our style.

The "field" is our principles. The "field" is our resolve to continue to fight an entity that made us their enemy and continues to make us so through its actions. The "field" is our "home." It is where we live.
......
See you on the "field."

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No disrespect was intended. In fact, MM like Sparta and FLA have more than earned it. What I was suggesting is that you could take a path similar to Sparta and retain your territory and infrastructure or like FLA and keep your alliance but lose your territory. One or the other is inevitable.

There are a few moves left in the North but checkmate is now guaranteed. By your reply I guess that will be when all you have left standings is your king.

Ineed, see you on the field.

Deck

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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0.0 will soon be a bigger NAPFest than it ever has been before.

How.....fun?

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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0.0 will soon be a bigger NAPFest than it ever has been before.

How.....fun?

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Only the winners will decide how much of a "napfest" it will be, Zimi, can't you see that?

All the naysayers, all the "omg too much blue" naysayers really need to stop and check their history, for there is one group - and one group only - that has continually kept the politics of eve on its toes and has never been afraid to up-sticks and take the fight elsewhere, for no other reason than... why not?

And we'll do it again, far before it gets "boring".

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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0.0 will soon be a bigger NAPFest than it ever has been before.

How.....fun?

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Only the winners will decide how much of a "napfest" it will be, Zimi, can't you see that?

All the naysayers, all the "omg too much blue" naysayers really need to stop and check their history, for there is one group - and one group only - that has continually kept the politics of eve on its toes and has never been afraid to up-sticks and take the fight elsewhere, for no other reason than... why not?

And we'll do it again, far before it gets "boring".

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Originally by: Myz Toyou

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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0.0 will soon be a bigger NAPFest than it ever has been before.

How.....fun?

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Only the winners will decide how much of a "napfest" it will be, Zimi, can't you see that?

All the naysayers, all the "omg too much blue" naysayers really need to stop and check their history, for there is one group - and one group only - that has continually kept the politics of eve on its toes and has never been afraid to up-sticks and take the fight elsewhere, for no other reason than... why not?

And we'll do it again, far before it gets "boring".

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I can`t wait to see all your current "friends" yelling foul play on these forums and begging for help when this will happen

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Myz Toyou

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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0.0 will soon be a bigger NAPFest than it ever has been before.

How.....fun?

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Only the winners will decide how much of a "napfest" it will be, Zimi, can't you see that?

All the naysayers, all the "omg too much blue" naysayers really need to stop and check their history, for there is one group - and one group only - that has continually kept the politics of eve on its toes and has never been afraid to up-sticks and take the fight elsewhere, for no other reason than... why not?

And we'll do it again, far before it gets "boring".

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I can`t wait to see all your current "friends" yelling foul play on these forums and begging for help when this will happen

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I doubt it, the people around us atm are people that would do exactly the same thing.

We're not a napfest, we ally to fight - you see the difference, yes?

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Originally by: The Hooch

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Nothing worse than a yapping lap dog pretending they do their own dirty work.

At least BoB does their own fighting and take what they fight for, Xelas simply fights over the crumbs that fall from their masters feasting table.

You live by the grace of your masters, you must be proud.

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If you ever get a clue as to what happens in this game, gimme a shout and then I will dignify your post with a reply.

Deck

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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0.0 will soon be a bigger NAPFest than it ever has been before.

How.....fun?

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Only the winners will decide how much of a "napfest" it will be, Zimi, can't you see that?

All the naysayers, all the "omg too much blue" naysayers really need to stop and check their history, for there is one group - and one group only - that has continually kept the politics of eve on its toes and has never been afraid to up-sticks and take the fight elsewhere, for no other reason than... why not?

And we'll do it again, far before it gets "boring".

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Originally by: MacDuncan

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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We're not a napfest, we ally to fight - you see the difference, yes?

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Just other words for doing the same things...imho...

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Originally by: Hans Roaming

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Originally by: MacDuncan

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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We're not a napfest, we ally to fight - you see the difference, yes?

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Just other words for doing the same things...imho...

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And that is what let you down.

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Originally by: Indiano Arko

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Originally by: Twoside

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There's indeed a big difference between alliances that've helped each other out a lot of times over a long time span, and a freeloading turncoat alliance like yours, who have no problem shooting the guys that've gone to great length to help you just a few months ago :) Fair play, but don't presume you're in any position to make any comments regarding the "northern nap squad".

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Shooting the guys who turned their back to us by NAPing Smashkill you meant?
Eye for an eye.

Northern blue +'s actually worth nothing as we saw in the past and as we can see during this campaign.

P.S. What I say have no relation to official ESA position. It is only my POV.

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Originally by: Ling Xiao

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Edited by: Ling Xiao on 30/05/2007 21:27:24
Bwahahaha you make it sound like people will be surprised when the alliance disbands and resets standings with each other. What good is a huge empire and a fleet of a thousand ships if they're not used against anything?

I would be geniunely surprised if anyone in the "winning" side expected to be able to carebear it up forever after the dust settles. There will probably be a break before anything big kicks off but that's the same cycle as ever, and to say it is "sad and pathetic" is to miss the whole point of Eve. It's all about the conflicts

Sure people build legacies (look at the chains of player outposts that will ever remain in the game, a testament to the efforts of their builders), but nothing lasts forever, and nor should it.

The greatest goal in the game is to have fun, if you're not then re-examine your situation.

But hey, what do I know

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Originally by: DeckardIRL

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Originally by: The Hooch

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Nothing worse than a yapping lap dog pretending they do their own dirty work.

At least BoB does their own fighting and take what they fight for, Xelas simply fights over the crumbs that fall from their masters feasting table.

You live by the grace of your masters, you must be proud.

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If you ever get a clue as to what happens in this game, gimme a shout and then I will dignify your post with a reply.

Deck

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Originally by: Orree

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Why don't people try standing for something?

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Originally by: MacDuncan

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Myz Toyou

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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0.0 will soon be a bigger NAPFest than it ever has been before.

How.....fun?

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Only the winners will decide how much of a "napfest" it will be, Zimi, can't you see that?

All the naysayers, all the "omg too much blue" naysayers really need to stop and check their history, for there is one group - and one group only - that has continually kept the politics of eve on its toes and has never been afraid to up-sticks and take the fight elsewhere, for no other reason than... why not?

And we'll do it again, far before it gets "boring".

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I can`t wait to see all your current "friends" yelling foul play on these forums and begging for help when this will happen

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I doubt it, the people around us atm are people that would do exactly the same thing.

We're not a napfest, we ally to fight - you see the difference, yes?

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Just other words for doing the same things...imho...

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It is a poor sort of man who is content to be spoon-fed knowledge that has been filtered through the canon of religious or political belief. ~ Louis L'Amour

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Originally by: Orree

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My question is does the cycle need to keep repeating? Why not try something different? Why don't people try standing for something?

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Originally by: Graalum

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as of 2 days ago

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Originally by: dralid

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Originally by: MacDuncan

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Myz Toyou

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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0.0 will soon be a bigger NAPFest than it ever has been before.

How.....fun?

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Only the winners will decide how much of a "napfest" it will be, Zimi, can't you see that?

All the naysayers, all the "omg too much blue" naysayers really need to stop and check their history, for there is one group - and one group only - that has continually kept the politics of eve on its toes and has never been afraid to up-sticks and take the fight elsewhere, for no other reason than... why not?

And we'll do it again, far before it gets "boring".

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I can`t wait to see all your current "friends" yelling foul play on these forums and begging for help when this will happen

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I doubt it, the people around us atm are people that would do exactly the same thing.

We're not a napfest, we ally to fight - you see the difference, yes?

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Just other words for doing the same things...imho...

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Not really ...
We ally to fight, you nap to avoid fighting :)

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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That there has been a nothern block not to fight is plain wrong, most of this block has been togehter for more then 2 years. And it has its roots back in the days, when rzr, iron and G had the united south against the lil north, that was mostly pa *cough* Times have changed and mistakes have been made, but most of the ppl will be fine up there.


Anyhow I cant see a standing reset happen, maybe bob and mc do one, but those ppl have proven that they are able to stand on their own two feet, but iam not sure about all the new Members of the BoB familie, how well will they do without bob or mc, can they hold a large terretoy without help of others?

I predict that the alliance which will take over branch will at leat nap two other alliances in the north. When Bob and MC do their standing reset, the panic nap gun will strike again. And iam pretty sure that a few ppl that are now spidding big words about naps, will be in the nap world as well, as ppl these days have forgoten that assets dont mean fun in general.

And well Bob, I mean you shown that no one can touch you, lets see how this turns out in the future as there is no more arch enemie that needs to be killed, as most vanished, disbaned or have simply switched sides. Not much left that needs to be done, huh?

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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I think you miss the point. Nearly everybody has a few NAPs, that is normal. The point that is being made is that it is unhealthy not to be in regular heavy conflict.

Times of peace allow people to get complacent, slack on fleet supplies, lose the mindset that is required for prolonged PvP. You gain fat carebears who reap all the roids in your peaceful area of space, all you do is some roaming gangs to kill a few gankers and have a bit of fun. Your FCs don't get practice or leave out of boredom, your battleship pilots fly more domis than tempests and your new recruits learn that cruise missiles and torps are more important to train for flying their ratting ravens than Tech 2 large guns, covert ops and interdictors.


Then the next war shows up, your carebears run to empire, your FCs left months ago or are out of practice. You have too few covert ops pilots, your battleship fleets show an abundance of ravens and a lack of snipers, you lose a fight or two and the people who lost the PvP mindset start whining about the few good FCs you have left.

The experienced PvPers you have left roll their eyes at the stupid questions of the newbies who can't align properly to save their life and the newbies whine because the FC is 'stupid' and warps the sniper in at 130km (already a terrible compromise compared to a real T2 sniperfleet). So the FCs start to burn out, the alliance leadership in the meantime has spent more time optimizing industry revenue and solving minor disputes between corps during the peacetime so they have no bloody clue as to how to run a PvP alliance and give stupid orders. Morale begins to sink and a month or 3 or 4 months later you are sitting in Empire wondering wtf went wrong.

That is what is wrong with too many NAPs.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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0.0 will soon be a bigger NAPFest than it ever has been before.

How.....fun?

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Only the winners will decide how much of a "napfest" it will be, Zimi, can't you see that?

All the naysayers, all the "omg too much blue" naysayers really need to stop and check their history, for there is one group - and one group only - that has continually kept the politics of eve on its toes and has never been afraid to up-sticks and take the fight elsewhere, for no other reason than... why not?

And we'll do it again, far before it gets "boring".

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Originally by: hantwo

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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0.0 will soon be a bigger NAPFest than it ever has been before.

How.....fun?

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Only the winners will decide how much of a "napfest" it will be, Zimi, can't you see that?

All the naysayers, all the "omg too much blue" naysayers really need to stop and check their history, for there is one group - and one group only - that has continually kept the politics of eve on its toes and has never been afraid to up-sticks and take the fight elsewhere, for no other reason than... why not?

And we'll do it again, far before it gets "boring".

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oh like the one time you declared war on the WHOLE of eve and noone was safe.... except ahem MC, FIX and everyone else you was blue with before the Molle annoucement.

Anyways who cares, BoB are the only ones really willing to play the POS game with dedication atm. i just don't think you will get any real fights because very few people wanna play the game that way for long periods of time. BoB are willing to do that hurrah for them, but the chest beating over it is kinda lame.

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I do have a suggestion to the coalition. When faced with an enemy that is unable to be reasoned with, that is ruthless, arrogant and decieving and filled with liars and hipocrites selling their own granmammy to get your land and stab u in the back, and throw u to war so they can sit and relax......

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Originally by: fire 59

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Originally by: hantwo

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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0.0 will soon be a bigger NAPFest than it ever has been before.

How.....fun?

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Only the winners will decide how much of a "napfest" it will be, Zimi, can't you see that?

All the naysayers, all the "omg too much blue" naysayers really need to stop and check their history, for there is one group - and one group only - that has continually kept the politics of eve on its toes and has never been afraid to up-sticks and take the fight elsewhere, for no other reason than... why not?

And we'll do it again, far before it gets "boring".

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oh like the one time you declared war on the WHOLE of eve and noone was safe.... except ahem MC, FIX and everyone else you was blue with before the Molle annoucement.

Anyways who cares, BoB are the only ones really willing to play the POS game with dedication atm. i just don't think you will get any real fights because very few people wanna play the game that way for long periods of time. BoB are willing to do that hurrah for them, but the chest beating over it is kinda lame.

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I'm really sorry to bring this up but you do realise that we destroyed fixs outpost egg during the standing reset yeah , coz like, they weren't blue at the time

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Originally by: Dawn Princess

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Originally by: fire 59

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Originally by: hantwo

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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0.0 will soon be a bigger NAPFest than it ever has been before.

How.....fun?

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Only the winners will decide how much of a "napfest" it will be, Zimi, can't you see that?

All the naysayers, all the "omg too much blue" naysayers really need to stop and check their history, for there is one group - and one group only - that has continually kept the politics of eve on its toes and has never been afraid to up-sticks and take the fight elsewhere, for no other reason than... why not?

And we'll do it again, far before it gets "boring".

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oh like the one time you declared war on the WHOLE of eve and noone was safe.... except ahem MC, FIX and everyone else you was blue with before the Molle annoucement.

Anyways who cares, BoB are the only ones really willing to play the POS game with dedication atm. i just don't think you will get any real fights because very few people wanna play the game that way for long periods of time. BoB are willing to do that hurrah for them, but the chest beating over it is kinda lame.

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I'm really sorry to bring this up but you do realise that we destroyed fixs outpost egg during the standing reset yeah , coz like, they weren't blue at the time

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Which just makes FIX's present stance even more

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Originally by: Fabrezio

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I do have a suggestion to the coalition. When faced with an enemy that is unable to be reasoned with, that is ruthless, arrogant and decieving and filled with liars and hipocrites selling their own granmammy to get your land and stab u in the back, and throw u to war so they can sit and relax......

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Okay, I wasn't going to say anything, but here goes:

Here is BoB's strategy:

1) Throw renters at enemy force.
2) Find new renters to throw at enemy force.
3) Throw MC at enemy force.
4) Throw pirates at enemy force.
5) Pay any renters in enemy territory to turn on enemy force.
6) Splinter alliance by making promises with individual corps / alliances friendly to enemy force. (Break later).
7) Finally show up to fight, gank 1-2 people still around, declare superiority.

I fought a ton of Xelas, M.Pire, YouWhat, ****, MC......but no BoB. Hrm.

The biggest reason we lost is it didn't matter how many billions of ISK damage we did to any of the pawns, it wasn't to BoB. That's how BoB fights, throw everyone and their mother at the enemy and make them spend their resources instead of your own. In addition, they only engage if they have at least a 2 to 1 advantage. I'm not saying this is a bad strategy, it appears to be quite effective. However, making the claim BoB is ruthless.....how can you be ruthless when you fight from the back?

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Originally by: Fabrezio

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Okay, I wasn't going to say anything, but here goes:

Here is BoB's strategy:

1) Throw renters at enemy force.
2) Find new renters to throw at enemy force.
3) Throw MC at enemy force.
4) Throw pirates at enemy force.
5) Pay any renters in enemy territory to turn on enemy force.
6) Splinter alliance by making promises with individual corps / alliances friendly to enemy force. (Break later).
7) Finally show up to fight, gank 1-2 people still around, declare superiority.

I fought a ton of Xelas, M.Pire, YouWhat, ****, MC......but no BoB. Hrm.

The biggest reason we lost is it didn't matter how many billions of ISK damage we did to any of the pawns, it wasn't to BoB. That's how BoB fights, throw everyone and their mother at the enemy and make them spend their resources instead of your own. In addition, they only engage if they have at least a 2 to 1 advantage. I'm not saying this is a bad strategy, it appears to be quite effective. However, making the claim BoB is ruthless.....how can you be ruthless when you fight from the back?

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Originally by: Fabrezio

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I do have a suggestion to the coalition. When faced with an enemy that is unable to be reasoned with, that is ruthless, arrogant and decieving and filled with liars and hipocrites selling their own granmammy to get your land and stab u in the back, and throw u to war so they can sit and relax......

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Okay, I wasn't going to say anything, but here goes:

Here is BoB's strategy:

1) Throw renters at enemy force.
2) Find new renters to throw at enemy force.
3) Throw MC at enemy force.
4) Throw pirates at enemy force.
5) Pay any renters in enemy territory to turn on enemy force.
6) Splinter alliance by making promises with individual corps / alliances friendly to enemy force. (Break later).
7) Finally show up to fight, gank 1-2 people still around, declare superiority.

I fought a ton of Xelas, M.Pire, YouWhat, ****, MC......but no BoB. Hrm.

The biggest reason we lost is it didn't matter how many billions of ISK damage we did to any of the pawns, it wasn't to BoB. That's how BoB fights, throw everyone and their mother at the enemy and make them spend their resources instead of your own. In addition, they only engage if they have at least a 2 to 1 advantage. I'm not saying this is a bad strategy, it appears to be quite effective. However, making the claim BoB is ruthless.....how can you be ruthless when you fight from the back?

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Originally by: fire 59

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Put up or shut up

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Originally by: hantwo

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Originally by: fire 59

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Put up or shut up

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or you will fire some more mean words at them?

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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So with the "great war which wasnt so great as anybody thought" is now over

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Originally by: LordAmarus

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There never was a war to begin with.

There was alot of smack from BoB , from D2 and from whoever else is a forum *****.

Ow sure , there were some fights but it has never been a war.

Firstly , cause BOB has no intention of taking over the north (they don't have the manpower to defend south and north)
Secondly , The shortsighted leaders of both ascn and d2 sealed their own fate.

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Originally by: Noluck Ned

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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So with the "great war which wasnt so great as anybody thought" is now over

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Its not over. Its just that people have stopped shouting about it.

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Originally by: Fabrezio

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Okay, I wasn't going to say anything, but here goes:

Here is BoB's strategy:

1) Throw renters at enemy force.
2) Find new renters to throw at enemy force.
3) Throw MC at enemy force.
4) Throw pirates at enemy force.
5) Pay any renters in enemy territory to turn on enemy force.
6) Splinter alliance by making promises with individual corps / alliances friendly to enemy force. (Break later).
7) Finally show up to fight, gank 1-2 people still around, declare superiority.

I fought a ton of Xelas, M.Pire, YouWhat, ****, MC......but no BoB. Hrm.

The biggest reason we lost is it didn't matter how many billions of ISK damage we did to any of the pawns, it wasn't to BoB. That's how BoB fights, throw everyone and their mother at the enemy and make them spend their resources instead of your own. In addition, they only engage if they have at least a 2 to 1 advantage. I'm not saying this is a bad strategy, it appears to be quite effective. However, making the claim BoB is ruthless.....how can you be ruthless when you fight from the back?

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You should have discussed this to your leadership when they decided to invade fountain and go on a campaign against Serpentis. Up until a month ago your alliance had far superior forces and if your friends showed up, you could have stemmed the invasion. Yet, Clankillers and many other D2 were busy pirating in empire in motherships and carriers to gank the random nuetral bs. You call us BOB renters, yet in our months and months of time in BOB space we paid nothing. You chastise BOB for not bringing it to the north? They didn't have to.

This post is very far off. Your fate was sealed in fountain and when D2 showed up the amount of smack at BOB was overwhelming, but the fight was only brought to BOB what twice? Rest of the time it was Xelas/Axe/Panic/Fatal none of which you guys handled well.

Originally by: DeltaH

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Originally by: Orree

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My question is does the cycle need to keep repeating? Why not try something different? Why don't people try standing for something?

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Why avoid a cycle of epic conflict?

And if you want to point fingers at people for not standing for something, you really need to look at your own allies who abandoned you. They only wanted to stand for something when it was easy. How is that any different than the people you judge for being blue to BoB?

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Originally by: ParMizaN

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Originally by: Twoside

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Suckered means to get caught in a trap. We laid the bait, you suckered it up and got pwned.

dbp

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The sudden implementation of the system cap was indeed a perfect trap, well done ;)

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The system cap was announced in a blog at least a couple of weeks before this event happened, possibly even more. "Sudden?" If you're going to comment about the game mechanics, at least read the freaking blogs!

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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0.0 will soon be a bigger NAPFest than it ever has been before.

How.....fun?

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Only the winners will decide how much of a "napfest" it will be, Zimi, can't you see that?

All the naysayers, all the "omg too much blue" naysayers really need to stop and check their history, for there is one group - and one group only - that has continually kept the politics of eve on its toes and has never been afraid to up-sticks and take the fight elsewhere, for no other reason than... why not?

And we'll do it again, far before it gets "boring".

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Originally by: ParMizaN

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once again..


The system cap was announced in a blog at least a couple of weeks before this event happened, possibly even more. "Sudden?" If you're going to comment about the game mechanics, at least read the freaking blogs!

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Originally by: Twoside

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Edited by: Twoside on 01/06/2007 12:30:56

Originally by: ParMizaN

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once again..


The system cap was announced in a blog at least a couple of weeks before this event happened, possibly even more. "Sudden?" If you're going to comment about the game mechanics, at least read the freaking blogs!

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I read the 'freaking' blog, it was posted quite a while before the f-t 'battle', but wasn't enforced untill then.
Hence, "sudden".

edit: what the f-t 'battle' proved, was that the game can't handle the climax all parties were working hard towards. There are no winners, only losers, so claiming a side won is kind of silly.

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Claiming a side lost because of the system cap in question that never came in play that day is even silier.

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Claiming a side lost because of the system cap in question that never came in play that day is even silier.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Originally by: The Hooch

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Thanks BoB
Hooch

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Your welcome Hooch, we aim to please ;)

dbp

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Originally by: Ling Xiao

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There's a difference between an arbitrary hard-cap of 700 pilots (supposedly) and the node throttling acceptance of incoming clients when it reaches maximum stable cpu load.

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Originally by: PSEWAR

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Originally by: Ling Xiao

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There's a difference between an arbitrary hard-cap of 700 pilots (supposedly) and the node throttling acceptance of incoming clients when it reaches maximum stable cpu load.

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Actually no, there is no difference between them. Both are "arbitrary" hard caps introduced by CCP. Some of the newer players within EVE might not know that, but this caps were not always there. No arguing here if they are good or not because like everything it has positive and negative effects.

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