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Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.03 22:25:00 - [61] I personally lik the theory that the devs are using BoD to get people to support a forced reset remember Kugutsumen
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.03 22:28:00 - [62] Originally by: Angelonico Anyone who bothers reading any thread titled "After bob wins..." Deserves to be shot. You think 2000 people can holdall of 0.0? Are you daft? Do you even play this game? Boycott this post and pod the OP at every available opportunity just for the sheer stupidity of this. great way to make your own point useless and say you need to be shot as well lol remember Kugutsumen
timstride Caldari UNSC Manufactoring Corp	Posted - 2007.06.03 22:32:00 - [63] Its not a case of BoB having all of 0.0, the Alliance will hold 0.0 and eventually they would get bored of having a peaceful 0.0 and turn on each other. Less Smack, more Pew Pew
MaxSkywalker x13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.03 22:35:00 - [64] If it hadnt been for all the mess with ccp employee T20, I would have congratulated BoB and MC on a very well done job. - I live of government cheese!
doobwa	Posted - 2007.06.03 22:46:00 - [65] Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Angelonico Anyone who bothers reading any thread titled "After bob wins..." Deserves to be shot. You think 2000 people can holdall of 0.0? Are you daft? Do you even play this game? Boycott this post and pod the OP at every available opportunity just for the sheer stupidity of this. great way to make your own point useless and say you need to be shot as well lol Plese work on your reading comprehension skills. You're embarassing yourself and lowering the IQ of all those around you. Kthanx.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.03 22:49:00 - [66] Edited by: HankMurphy on 03/06/2007 22:48:40 Originally by: Angelonico Anyone who bothers reading any thread titled "After bob wins..." Deserves to be shot. You think 2000 people can holdall of 0.0? Are you daft? Do you even play this game? Boycott this post and pod the OP at every available opportunity just for the sheer stupidity of this. I guess we both deserve to be shot This goon speaks the truth. This topic is so glaringly moronic its ridiculous. But, another boring arse Sunday at work, so i'll play along.... Originally by: TJ17 how do u know bob and friends will win they still have to defeat the masters of plex farming RA. plus RA are masters of pos spam when bob finally decides to attack RA the war will drag on and bring a new definition to "pos warfare". yup, everyone thinks 'oh noes teh game if over! bob wins, game over! when they shutting down the servers?' (screaming it while the war drags on ) but the single biggest powerhouse next to bob haven't even gotten warmed up in this war. and i feel when they are, they will not fight like anyone expects them to. Unlike so many doomsayers... RA doesnt cry on forums and give up. The rest of the so called coalition could take a valuable lesson from them. They dont blame their loses on anything, they move past them and continue to maintain forward thinking mindset. They fight and adapt..... one of the reasons they are such a worthy adversary. They were pushed to the brink of oblivion, and look what they accomplished since!!! Hell, I dont even think RA needs a significant block of conquered space to operate. Everyday they farm plexes and run ops in other ppls space. Anyone that thinks the outcome of this war will spell the end of eve is incredibly short sighted and has no idea what this game is about. here is a guy that actually has a brain in his head..... Originally by: sakana if bob did own all of 0.0 they'd just install lots of friendly rent paying alliances, which only means one thing. Gank heaven. now that boys and girls is how to look on the bright side of life. The end of the cryalition does not spell the end of the war or eve. As has always happened in this game, a lost battle/war = lessons learned. Like a phoenix, new alliances will rise from the flames of the dead. New leaders that learned from the mistakes of the old.... The game goes on, pew pew till the end of time All that has happened thus far in this war is everyone in eve received one free lesson in how NOT to fight against a superpower. The mistakes the various factions of the coalition have made are too many to count, but most glaring was their inability to work together. Bad communication and planning (gets ya every time). In short, what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. And as long as you have isk to buy a clone, you can never truly be killed in eve. So..... how is the game ending again?
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.06.03 22:49:00 - [67] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: First Stotherd If BoB win, it will most likely either result in the end of eve, or the end of renting space. Why would thousands more players rent space from less than 3000? Especially when there are virtually no threats? It would only be so long before a second huge war broke out. Less than 3000 players cannot control all of 0.0 Theres also alot of merc alliances left, what do they plan on doing? Paying rent to BoB when thier main source of income doesn't really exist anymore? Eve just won't stabilise the way BoB wants it to. The funny thing is Bob think they can slave 10k/20k with 2-3k people. They could slave 1k people 20 time, okay. By the time they slave 10k people, I'm sure there will be rebellions. You underestimate the quantity of people that prefer to get fat, rich and play the game in "easy mode". _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Sir MilBanacky Stronghold corp Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.03 23:13:00 - [68] Originally by: Ballistic CEO would you continue playing? Im not a BoB alt, im a total neutral This made me laugh so hard!
Virida Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.06.03 23:46:00 - [69] Edited by: Virida on 03/06/2007 23:47:47 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: First Stotherd If BoB win, it will most likely either result in the end of eve, or the end of renting space. Why would thousands more players rent space from less than 3000? Especially when there are virtually no threats? It would only be so long before a second huge war broke out. Less than 3000 players cannot control all of 0.0 Theres also alot of merc alliances left, what do they plan on doing? Paying rent to BoB when thier main source of income doesn't really exist anymore? Eve just won't stabilise the way BoB wants it to. The funny thing is Bob think they can slave 10k/20k with 2-3k people. They could slave 1k people 20 time, okay. By the time they slave 10k people, I'm sure there will be rebellions. The numbers is more strange, actually. EVE now got so many subscibers, if we assume most got 2 accounts, we get 100 000 players. How can bob keep control of the pvp territory in free for all pvp, in a game where they number 3% of the playermass? Personally, i got nothing against bob or their allies, it dont matter for me if i fight for or against bob, what matter, is EVE as a whole, is not server with the possibility EVE's pvp got no future. BOB runs their alliance quite magnificent, in same manner other sucessfull ones do, but they might strangle the option to just find a enemy, and attack some in lowsec. If we in 1 year see the worst possible outcome, its no longer possible for bob to pvp, exept to maintain their land from small rogue elements. For bob's enemy corps , the result in worst case is they face a united front of 500 carriers and 500 dreads, all lowsec is administered by bob, and its noone who do anything beside buy them for ISK. They then face a game of monopoly, and fun would be war deccing empire corps.
Evanglina	Posted - 2007.06.03 23:54:00 - [70] Edited by: Evanglina on 03/06/2007 23:53:43 Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion The great thing about this war that nobody realizes is that there is no good, and there is no bad. Only red, and blue. There is no good, just big BAD BoB, Ruiner of EVE.
Danari Amarr Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.03 23:58:00 - [71] Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion The great thing about this war that nobody realizes is that there is no good, and there is no bad. Only red, and blue. Spoken like a sage
Von Zarovick The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.04 00:19:00 - [72] If bob win, would you stop making absolutely uselss posts here? Signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected])
Alias11 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.04 00:20:00 - [73] Edited by: Alias11 on 04/06/2007 00:18:54 Originally by: HankMurphy adapt Originally by: HankMurphy Originally by: HankMurphy cryalition Originally by: HankMurphy Like a phoenix, new alliances will rise from the flames of the dead Originally by: HankMurphy In short, what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Counting the free space in the middle, This gives me CAOD bingo
ElCholo Minmatar FarCry Inc Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.04 00:34:00 - [74] The problem I see is that BoB will not let any 1 alliance get too big. We've seen the problems that arise when trying to coordinate multiple alliances. Super Blobs lack the logistics and single entities lack the firepower.
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.04 01:04:00 - [75] Edited by: MehTheTrader on 04/06/2007 01:08:34 BoB isn't really the superpower here... mc/bandwagons are their meatsheild. LV is dead, BoB would be dead if MC didn't meatsheild for them because they aren't really great at pvp. BoB have the asessts for pvp though, so it would still be a hard kill.
Angelonico Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.04 03:08:00 - [76] Originally by: MehTheTrader Edited by: MehTheTrader on 04/06/2007 01:08:34 BoB isn't really the superpower here... mc/bandwagons are their meatsheild. LV is dead, BoB would be dead if MC didn't meatsheild for them because they aren't really great at pvp. BoB have the asessts for pvp though, so it would still be a hard kill. QFT When will the pets wake up and rise against these ****ers? Yes MC, this includes you. I'd be interested to see what kind of offer the entire coalition (what's left of it) could make. Honestly, don't you want to test your skills against the best instead of d2?
DiuxDium Caldari Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.04 03:16:00 - [77] Edited by: DiuxDium on 04/06/2007 03:15:41 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: First Stotherd If BoB win, it will most likely either result in the end of eve, or the end of renting space. Why would thousands more players rent space from less than 3000? Especially when there are virtually no threats? It would only be so long before a second huge war broke out. Less than 3000 players cannot control all of 0.0 Theres also alot of merc alliances left, what do they plan on doing? Paying rent to BoB when thier main source of income doesn't really exist anymore? Eve just won't stabilise the way BoB wants it to. The funny thing is Bob think they can slave 10k/20k with 2-3k people. They could slave 1k people 20 time, okay. By the time they slave 10k people, I'm sure there will be rebellions. There seems to be some misconception that being a BoB renter is akin to slaving away in a salt mine. For those who exist within BoB's sphere of influence who pay rent, all they must do is give a bit of their ratters tax to BoB. For those of us who pay no rent on the Basis of being as one would say a "Guard dog" all that must be done is fight those who would strike at us. Rebellions occur when those within your domain are angered by high taxes, lack of supplies, or overall arrogance of one's 'masters', in the case of BoB though, they display no such thing. I'd much rather be a 'knight' of a fair and just 'king' than to simply float about the universe with no goals. While an 'kingdom' of your own is something that can be nice, it is rather difficult to achieve without a large capital fleet of one's own. To those who lack the standing army to conquer their own lands, to be a defender of an already established empire isn't bad at all. Your masters success is your own, because it is you who fought for it. In the end, it's just a game. If I enjoy playing the roll of a knight, or a king, this is my choice. Simply put, you're wrong. There will be no wide spread rebellions. Keep on dreaming though! fake edit; That seemed a bit RP-ish, it was meant to look a bit more like a metaphor. So take it at that. Also, it's incredibly dramatic for just a game, but I feel it fits well with this emo-cut-cut-the-world-is-gun'-end type of thread! Maybe I should write fan fiction. I'll make you a star! real e; this is my opinion, which should be obvious. Don't consider it a take upon my alliance. I just like playing the knight a lot more than the king, it takes a lot less work. ------------- Hello America
Alias11 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.04 03:31:00 - [78] so you're admitting that bob winning will result in the collapse of the game because everyone in 0.0 will be blue to eachother
DiuxDium Caldari Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.04 03:36:00 - [79] Edited by: DiuxDium on 04/06/2007 03:35:49 Originally by: Alias11 so you're admitting that bob winning will result in the collapse of the game because everyone in 0.0 will be blue to eachother I'll postpone the smack, since I'm no good at it and simply say. When this war comes to a 'close', a new one shall erupt; standings will be reset, and old friends shall become new enemies. Bitter blood shall become friendship, and friendship shall become bitter blood. It's been happening for quite the few years now, and honestly...as DC said, you guys are nothing new. e; hopefully that came out as non-smacky, I truly dislike real smack. ------------- Hello America
BluOrange Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.06.04 05:06:00 - [80] Edited by: BluOrange on 04/06/2007 05:08:27 Originally by: Ballistic CEO Some of the answers have given me a little more hope to be fair, but non-BoB, go ahead tell me, why is it that you will not lose? Agony won't lose because we're not playing that game. We would be perfectly happy sharing a corner of space with the rest of EVE. Whether they'd be happy to be sharing it with us is a different question Things are interesting for us right now, the Northern Coalition forces in our section of space are changing their activity patterns, and there's a corp called 'Reikoku' that we've sighted a few times in the systems we use. Seeing as how we had Burn Eden in the area recently, it's a great opportunity to see how these high profile guys operate, and to test our strength against theirs. If they decide to station camp us with titans, then we'll slip quietly into the night and strike someplace that's soft and vulnerable. But they already know that, I think; probably why they're not doing it. (Edit: That, and they have far more important/useful things to do with that firepower than to swat at mosquitoes with sledgehammers.) ------ Agony Unleashed is recruiting.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.04 06:47:00 - [81] Originally by: ElCholo The problem I see is that BoB will not let any 1 alliance get too big. We've seen the problems that arise when trying to coordinate multiple alliances. Super Blobs lack the logistics and single entities lack the firepower. You can coordinate large numbers of alliances to work together. Step one is to have an overall leader, another thing is to give it all you got to help who's getting hammered as opposed to leaving your wounded, if people help you then you're gonna help them. LV died as BoB was hit by the north but FIX and Xelas lived because the Alliance gave it their all to help them. The MC led thrust into northern space worked because the alliance got behind it and pushed with their all, as soon as Querious eased up there were FIX pilots in the north. Look at the defence of F-T and our cap yards, how many people turned up. Compare that to the members of the coalition that turned up to save D2s cap yards last week (the answer is zero). These are good lessons to learn and show what works and what doesn't.
Homer Greyt Academy of Decadence	Posted - 2007.06.04 06:48:00 - [82] BoB were carefully ingeneered and helped to become what they are now. Why cry now if some people might leave EVE just because they cannot carebear in 0.0? - You could still join BoB pets with your carebear alts... - There will still be a lot of fun to be had. - Many carebears will learn how to fight. - Coalition might get stronger living in "gank heaven" and defeat BoB one day. ________ Let's dance!
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.06.04 06:59:00 - [83] Originally by: DiuxDium Edited by: DiuxDium on 04/06/2007 03:35:49 Originally by: Alias11 so you're admitting that bob winning will result in the collapse of the game because everyone in 0.0 will be blue to eachother I'll postpone the smack, since I'm no good at it and simply say. When this war comes to a 'close', a new one shall erupt; standings will be reset, and old friends shall become new enemies. Bitter blood shall become friendship, and friendship shall become bitter blood. It's been happening for quite the few years now, and honestly...as DC said, you guys are nothing new. Except that, every time BoB puts someone out, or BoB is putting a beating on someone, inevitably a good chunk of the 'hardcores' that are getting trod on sign up with McBoB. This process of distillation, where all the high-powered players continue to sign up with the Molletrain, makes fighting against BoB progressively more difficult. "They took all our good PVPers!" "Um, get a bunch of second-tier PVPers and we'll outnumber them 10-1!!" "D'oh, CCP just nerfed blobs again! Oh crap, it's McBoB's 200-capship attack gang w/30 supercaps!" Lather, rinse, repeat. So, if the SE goes belly up, all the people on the losing end with skill join BoB. If BoB refuses them, then they join BoBPets to get in on the next gangbang. So, next alliance that dares to challenge BoB, instead of McBoBFixXelasRise being arrayed against them, you get the practical effect of McBobAAAFixRiseXelasRAGoonTCF's best. This has only one possible ending, that being a failure cascade -- either for EVE, as people get tired of bothering with going after BoB+ and stay in empire, or a failure cascade as BoB can't get anyone to fight them, and quit. Which may very well result in an EVE failure cascade. Now add in that people not involved with 0.0 already have a low opinion of CCP and BoB because of the recent PR firestorms. You get less people wanting to sign up with any 0.0 alliance, or go to 0.0 altogether. Again, Failure Cascade starting. May be 6 months, may be a year, may be 2. Who knows. The people you need to keep replenishing 0.0 are not coming as fast as they used to. And people are giving up the 0.0 scene faster than they used to. Better find an answer to this, or it's not going to matter who's in control.
Megadon Caldari Deathshead Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.04 07:15:00 - [84] Edited by: Megadon on 04/06/2007 07:15:46 BoB doesn't have to conquer the universe to win. It just has to setup a nice feudal system where most of the universe is managed by their vassal states that pay a monthly tribute to live under PAX BOBANA. How do you think the Romans conquered all that they did? They rolled the armies in, decimated their enemies, killed most of the populace and setup pets. Those that lived, were offerd the chance to become citizens of the Roman Empire with rights and the chance to rise in ranks if they proved to be good soldiers. After a while, people said to hell with fighting, and Pax Romana reigned supreme for around 800 years. BoB themselves doesn't have to rule the whole place. They only need a small fraction of the popluation to rule effectively as the Romans proved so long ago. Everyone just has to agree that to live in 0.0, paying tribute to BoB to have peace and quiet is really the only sensible thing to do. I mean, what's so bad about paying some rent to live in peace? So you don't have to worry about BoB killing you and even protecting you if things get bad? I mean, it's not that big of a deal and it's the only sensible thing to do really. Isn't it? Muahahahahahhahahahahahaaa --------------
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 07:20:00 - [85] Originally by: MehTheTrader Edited by: MehTheTrader on 04/06/2007 01:08:34 BoB isn't really the superpower here... mc/bandwagons are their meatsheild. LV is dead, BoB would be dead if MC didn't meatsheild for them because they aren't really great at pvp. BoB have the asessts for pvp though, so it would still be a hard kill. The thing about your post right there is you presume we would operate like you under extreme pressure, which we wouldn't. We would thrive under the pressure as you would know if you were engaged with bob in a sustained conflict ( not the current one because the northern block rotated against us and goons have now wothdrawn). Worst case scenario, we would be down to no stations making you pay in rivers of blood and paying for every inch of ground. Undoubtedly, some folks would leave but looking at ras example, i don't believe we would ever die as an alliance. Why would be up and quit when what we have sought was bearing down on us. Theres a reason why the coalition doesn't siege bob towers you know, would be pretty hard to take all of bob space ( i say bob coz that's what you were talking about, not bob friends ) without actually putting assets on the line. Ra not included , the coalition has recoiled in pain at cap losses and is extremely gunshy at using them coz of the risk, while the alliance fields them day in, day out, caps of all shapes and sizes. Risk vs reward on a galcatic level, you want to conquer bob, you have got to take risks And you have no room to talk on the bandwagon business because you guys invented it. You attacked all of the mentioned alliances that are now beating you up. If you can't take it, don't do it tbh
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.04 07:23:00 - [86] Originally by: fire 59 And you have no room to talk on the bandwagon business because you guys invented it. You attacked all of the mentioned alliances that are now beating you up. If you can't take it, don't do it tbh EC-P8R ?
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 07:32:00 - [87] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: fire 59 And you have no room to talk on the bandwagon business because you guys invented it. You attacked all of the mentioned alliances that are now beating you up. If you can't take it, don't do it tbh EC-P8R ? Hmm, BoB, Atuk and ascn and if i recall ( apologies if my memory is hazy) a few members from others corps and alliances. Hardly what i would call a bandwagon as opposed to the coalition atm ( my fingers would fall off if i tried to list it all) Dam you ET for trying to own me, i'm in your titans, stealings you vodka
Kastar Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.04 08:22:00 - [88] (hopefully I'm allowed to post while in between corps ) In response to the OP, I think the current situation is the best situation for Eve, this is why: - Bob creates a tense situation in terms of politics. Entire alliances are on edge and have something to fight for - If what they say themselves is true, they are working towards their own end. It's not about them being able to hold the space, it's about them willing to hold that space. The leadership has shown in the past not to be affraid to make hard strategic decisions. If they succeed to annex the entirety of 0.0 they will either find their goals accomplished and lose interest in this form of gampeplay or go their own way and go do something else. In both cases a gap will need to be filled by others and the heat will be on again. -----------------------------------------------
Alias11 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.04 08:28:00 - [89] Originally by: fire 59 And you have no room to talk on the bandwagon business because you guys invented it. If us and RA counts as a bandwagon then EC- is some kind of band-cruise liner
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.04 08:34:00 - [90] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: fire 59 And you have no room to talk on the bandwagon business because you guys invented it. If us and RA counts as a bandwagon then EC- is some kind of band-cruise liner Selective quoting and not understanding aside, i was referring to the coalition. Did i say just ragoons, no i din't so please, if you want to troll, at least know what you're going on about instead of just trying to sound (insert witty comment about empty brain cavity) Read a book, save a school

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