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Ballistic CEO
The Ballistic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.03 17:57:00 -
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would you continue playing?
I've watched this war from the outset and although BoB and friends would probably like to congratulate themselves on their uberness there has only ever been one outcome.
Pitching a vast, well-organised and extremely rich alliance against a collection of corps and alliances that have different objectives and philosophies can only go one way.
The few larger and better organised alliances in all this would have been on BoBs target list anyway sooner or later so might as well take them out now.
Which ever way you look at it the outcome is pretty much inevitable its just a question of when. A few corps that were lucky enough to see this from the start will always be on BoBs side (grats to YouWhat for good foresight) and therefore they have no worries.
So that leaves literally everyone else.
Tell me, will you be happy sharing the NPC 0.0 regions with the entire rest of EvE?
Im not a BoB alt, im a total neutral but it simply cannot be good for the game if they gain control of the entire region outside of empire space.
so after BoB win will there only be BoB left in Eve? 
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Kaar
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.03 17:59:00 -
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If I said "die in a fire" would it get snipped?
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Kara Mori
Finis Lumen
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Posted - 2007.06.03 17:59:00 -
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Pretty sad attempt at flamebait to be honest. Do yourself a favor and don't work in absolutes. Do you honestly think you know exactly what is going to happen when this conflict ends? Do you really truly believe you even know HOW this conflict is going to end? Seriously, at least give some evidence to back up your claims (and I bet there isn't any).
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Jtbenns
Gallente
QUANT Corp.
Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Kaar
If I said "die in a fire" would it get snipped?
very likely, once a mod notices the new post...
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:03:00 -
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If you feel that strongly why not get involved?
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Ballistic CEO
The Ballistic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming
If you feel that strongly why not get involved?
I have been, and I have seen all I need to see.
There is only one side in this war.
i am not making 'claims' i am logically looking at the situation as it stands.
im not interested in creating flamebait, i was wondering if someone could tell me im wrong?
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Kalestra Cable
Caldari
Faust Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming
If you feel that strongly why not get involved?
BLOB warfare doesn't sound much like fun..
Better off leaving the empire building to the bored and everyone else can go play small gang roaming / pirates in empire, low sec or NPC 0.0
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ichiwai
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: ichiwai on 03/06/2007 18:10:44
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TJ17
Gallente
Fallen Angels Inc
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:11:00 -
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how do u know bob and friends will win they still have to defeat the masters of plex farming RA. plus RA are masters of pos spam when bob finally decides to attack RA the war will drag on and bring a new definition to "pos warfare".
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Admentus Cor'vion
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:12:00 -
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The great thing about this war that nobody realizes is that there is no good, and there is no bad.
Only red, and blue.
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Kozak
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:13:00 -
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It will be exactly the same thing that has happend to every major MMO that failed. Once one group completely dominates, Eve will start to decline and ultimately fail.
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Kalestra Cable
Caldari
Faust Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: ichiwai
The great thing about this war that nobody realizes is that there is no good, and there is no bad.
Only red, and blue.
Good and Bad or EVIL if you like that word are all a matter of perspective.
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Dread Phantom
Caldari
Project-Chaos
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:17:00 -
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the only way they can win is if they are only ones left, so as long as im playing no one has won
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Kitarie
0mega Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kitarie on 03/06/2007 18:19:43
omg ppl please stop posting stuff like that. bob haven't won. Their only goal is to have fun in what they are doing and they are seeking the challenge. do you think that they would conquer all eve because then they can lean back and enjoy a quiet life? It would get totally boring for them.
And about 75% of the eve playerbase which lives in empire dosn't care about stuff that is going on in 0.0. Alt-Chars dominate the eve-market, new regions are able to create a zydrine depression and hauling is done in npc-corps. The whole economy is anonymized and there is nothing about bob there. So they can (and I believe they do not want to) never ever take over everything.
If I am right then they are hoping another strong alliance rises which they can compete against.
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Orc A
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:24:00 -
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Here's how it works.
Alliance A (suppose, soemthing like bob), decided to go on a world domination tour.
They have a target list, prioratized (but eventually containing all alliances that aren't on "their" side.
It goes about killing all other alliances, one by one or in groups.
However, the falling alliances taking defeat, even if disband, do not dissapear.
The players of the disbanded alliance will go their seporate ways.
Some will join the winning side, some will lurk in lowsec or highsec for a while untill re-entering 0.0 under new flags, some will form a new outfit to fight an old enemy.
Eventually, to control all of 0.0 you need to have alot of manpower.
When you have no enemies left, your manpower starts finding what to shoot inside it's own barriers.
However, due to Alliance A's leadership being wiser then a*****roach, they will never allow "their side" to become big enough for internal conflict.
Hence, they KNOW that even if they kill everyone, they too will die.
Much like the fall of CA followed with the Collapse of the old SA.
The balance always changes, and there is never stabillity.
This is just how EvE works.
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niroshido
Caldari
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:26:00 -
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Throughout EVE's life alliances have come in and claimed territory, in this process many alliances died, and gave way to stronger alliances. Some of those stronger alliances also died breaking up into smaller but experienced alliances, they then fell apart joining a stronger alliances who then break off forming other alliances that then soon enough begin to desolve forming other alliances that seem stronger
even though that sounds repetative the fact is, it happens all the time, EVE has never been controlled by one alliance as time moves on.
All alliances have there days, look at CA for example (sorry for reference) but each time the revealed themselves they seemed that bit stronger, but they werent that great to begin with, the circle of life will prove that when big alliances fall apart they create smaller alliance who will become bigger later on.
There is no winning in EVE u just do better each time
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Kalestra Cable
Caldari
Faust Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kitarie
Edited by: Kitarie on 03/06/2007 18:19:43
If I am right then they are hoping another strong alliance rises which they can compete against.
BOB actively encourages alliances to grow/fight each other in the aim of having a 'challenge' to fight at a later date.
Of course if no alliance rose to the extent they'd provide even the slightest challenge would BOB still want to exist?
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Smith
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kozak
It will be exactly the same thing that has happend to every major MMO that failed. Once one group completely dominates, Eve will start to decline and ultimately fail.
In the end nothing survives, not even Stars.
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Orc A
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:30:00 -
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Well, I can understand why BoB do what they do.
The thing so addictive about computer games is Supremacy.
Being superior, victorious, yada yada yada.
BoB does it for the same reason a dog licks his balls.
Because he can.
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sakana
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:31:00 -
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if bob did own all of 0.0 they'd just install lots of friendly rent paying alliances, which only means one thing. Gank heaven.
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Dal Thrax
Caldari
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: TJ17
how do u know bob and friends will win they still have to defeat the masters of plex farming RA. plus RA are masters of pos spam when bob finally decides to attack RA the war will drag on and bring a new definition to "pos warfare".
Actually if you're read the Dev board there will soon be limits on POS spam.
Dal
Things I learned playing PnP RPGs:
1)Always assume that the players will bring the maximum available firepower against a peaceful objective.
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Dal Thrax
Caldari
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Dal Thrax on 03/06/2007 18:48:52
Originally by: Orc A
Here's how it works.
Alliance A (suppose, soemthing like bob), decided to go on a world domination tour.
They have a target list, prioratized (but eventually containing all alliances that aren't on "their" side.
It goes about killing all other alliances, one by one or in groups.
However, the falling alliances taking defeat, even if disband, do not dissapear.
The players of the disbanded alliance will go their seporate ways.
Some will join the winning side, some will lurk in lowsec or highsec for a while untill re-entering 0.0 under new flags, some will form a new outfit to fight an old enemy.
Eventually, to control all of 0.0 you need to have alot of manpower.
When you have no enemies left, your manpower starts finding what to shoot inside it's own barriers.
However, due to Alliance A's leadership being wiser then a*****roach, they will never allow "their side" to become big enough for internal conflict.
Hence, they KNOW that even if they kill everyone, they too will die.
Much like the fall of CA followed with the Collapse of the old SA.
The balance always changes, and there is never stabillity.
This is just how EvE works.
Tbh the only thing that worries me is that these farmer corps might change the balance. A war, domination, rot, collapse, dark age, war, war, war, domination... cycle may be fine with the PLAYERS the question is whether the BUISNESSMEN who are selling ISK will allow it.
Dal
Things I learned playing PnP RPGs:
1)Always assume that the players will bring the maximum available firepower against a peaceful objective.
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Ling Xiao
Prism Project Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:50:00 -
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I have to say, the OP is either extremely shortsighted, or is just trying to cause flames. Warriors without a war soon turn on each other, it's always been this way.
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Virida
Mindstar Technology
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kalestra Cable
Originally by: Kitarie
Edited by: Kitarie on 03/06/2007 18:19:43
If I am right then they are hoping another strong alliance rises which they can compete against.
BOB actively encourages alliances to grow/fight each other in the aim of having a 'challenge' to fight at a later date.
Of course if no alliance rose to the extent they'd provide even the slightest challenge would BOB still want to exist?
It could happen, but its not bob's fault:
- CCP provide longer combats, more strategic, and with the capitals, provided a means for super capitalists to dominate totally.
- BOB on other hand, is just some of the best gamers who's in EVE atm. but they create player empires, of size.
The problem is, eve is fully player vs player. And since its not sharded, bob is able to dominate in pvp for a AAA top mmo.
Partly, this is CCP's ball: they need to encourage ppl to go to 0.0 , and "PLAY" there, pvp is a game, not a corporate managment course.
Personally, id like to see some breakups of 0.0 empires, maybe letting a alliance only be able to have sovereginity in one constellation.
EVE is a "mmorpg", not a RL corporate warfare, as its now, the lowsec pvp's is between ppl who just as well could have done things as made a new mmo(programmers is one common gamer group, and designers is often really good gamers), or made a multi national coporation of some sort. the hours bob, or mc has put in gaming, must be close to what a large AAA mmo has had.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion
The great thing about this war that nobody realizes is that there is no good, and there is no bad.
Only red, and blue.
I geuss you want to be tucker?
Fine I will be doc.
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Originally by: Ductoris
At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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unsmith
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Smith
Originally by: Kozak
It will be exactly the same thing that has happend to every major MMO that failed. Once one group completely dominates, Eve will start to decline and ultimately fail.
In the end nothing survives, not even Stars.
Its like looking in the mirror.
Which one of us is the evil one? Neither have goatees.
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.03 19:35:00 -
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I dont understand why everyone thinks its over.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.03 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ballistic CEO
would you continue playing?
Yes.
_ Gob
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.03 19:41:00 -
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It would be interesting to see if a controlled war could work in eve.
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Zoltaris
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.03 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Zoltaris on 03/06/2007 19:53:20
Originally by: Ballistic CEO
it simply cannot be good for the game if they gain control of the entire region outside of empire space.
so after BoB win will there only be BoB left in Eve?
Go take a look at Serenity, how it was a year ago, how it is now that a single power control all of 0.0, and you'll have a pretty much accurate idea of how things will most likely end if a single power (be it BoB, or someone else) take control of all 0.0 on tranquility
It's not a sure thing, as there is much more experienced and well developed chars on tranquility than serenity, but still, player count would probably decrease a lot, but i doubt it would be as drastic as serenity...
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