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Pinpisa Jormao
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Pinpisa Jormao on 18/06/2007 21:43:39
Give Carriers high/med slot modules that convert the space reserved for the weapons systems and drones into cargo expansion.  
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Salia Deluri
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Posted - 2007.06.18 22:04:00 -
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I just spent two days moving stuff for the alliance. Devs can we get something to sort stuff with? I'll eat the extra space but come on give us something. At what point does it become a big enough issue for you to at least respond?
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Santa Anna
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Posted - 2007.06.18 22:04:00 -
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Cargo expanders should expand every partition of a carrier's cargo bay -- the hangar, the maint bay, and the cargo hold. That'd solve everything along with being a pretty logical approach. (What are the hangar and maint bays if glorified cargo holds?)
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:36:00 -
[274]
 Originally by: Salia Deluri
I just spent two days moving stuff for the alliance. Devs can we get something to sort stuff with? I'll eat the extra space but come on give us something. At what point does it become a big enough issue for you to at least respond?
Exactly!
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Druadan
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.06.19 00:46:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Salia Deluri
I just spent two days moving stuff for the alliance. Devs can we get something to sort stuff with? I'll eat the extra space but come on give us something. At what point does it become a big enough issue for you to at least respond?
Quoted for great justice.
"A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire |
Velvet69
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:47:00 -
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This feature has been know about for months, but it hasnÆt been addressed until the alliance known as æBand of BrothersÆ had got their multiple Titans working the logistics needed for their means.
This change affects many, bar the few privileged with such means of moving items in 00 space.
CCP, if you really want the player base to believe you are unbiased to the afore mentioned alliance, donÆt implement this change.
Your replies to this thread so far can be described as weak.
One of the earlier posts in this thread used the analogy of packing a suit case, putting it in a car and then driving the car onto a ferry for it to be moved.
DonÆt use such a weak excuse of it being a coding mistake.
Grow up CCP and listen to your player base and do not bow to the whims of a 40 yr old manager of some heating company in Sweden no one cares about.
IXC Velvet69
Proud Member of 'The House of Prawn' |
Damned Force
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:26:00 -
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Dont be fool guys. I know u all noticed alredy that on this thread would not be any response, would not be any change. Simple because CPP can say what they want, they changes showing that they work to help BoB!!!!
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Spike 68
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.19 06:14:00 -
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Edited by: Spike 68 on 19/06/2007 06:15:46
this thread is one of the best I've seen in a while. go cry somewhere else with all this care bear nonsense.
The term carrier in eve comes from the slang "carrier" as in aircraft carrier.
They are not meant to safely jump large amounts of cargo, the name originates from its ability to carry fighters, something nothing bar carriers can do (moms are carriers  )
its a shame so many carriers out there will never see combat. for teh love of ebil killing machines stop hauling trit and gank something
or better yet use the carrier on standby to jump into reinforce the gang which is escorting the freighter, a ship which is built for hauling freight. 
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.19 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Velvet69
:words:
Can you shut up please? This change affects everyone, including BoB pets. So stop with this crap.
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Wink
Caldari
Asgard Protectorate
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Wink on 19/06/2007 08:43:00
Originally by: Spike 68
Edited by: Spike 68 on 19/06/2007 06:15:46
this thread is one of the best I've seen in a while. go cry somewhere else with all this care bear nonsense.
The term carrier in eve comes from the slang "carrier" as in aircraft carrier.
They are not meant to safely jump large amounts of cargo, the name originates from its ability to carry fighters, something nothing bar carriers can do (moms are carriers )
its a shame so many carriers out there will never see combat. for teh love of ebil killing machines stop hauling trit and gank something
or better yet use the carrier on standby to jump into reinforce the gang which is escorting the freighter, a ship which is built for hauling freight.
Organization? I think that half the people posted about space (m3) and half about organization.
Oh and, the aircraft carrier thing, I think they have different rooms in order to organize. They also can carry containers (unless the Navy banned the use of containers in aforementioned aircraft carriers ) as I am pretty sure they dont tell their carrier pilot/captain or whoever loads the thing,
"ok, you know all those planes'n'bombs'n'****?, yea toss it all in one room and lock the door. What, roll around? Bombs go off, no no, don't worry about that stuff, we cant use any organizational containers in here, their banned"
As far as using the carrier in more of a front line or support role, yea, I'm all for that but let's not limit what people use their assets for just because we don't use it for that and for the love of God, please, everyone stop throwing around that "carebear" term. You want to haul some crap for a corp mate and you get labeled a carebear cause you weren't shooting the entire time, sheesh
Yes I used three (3) rolly eye emotes, so sue me <---4th
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Francesca Dell'Agio
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:12:00 -
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You can explain until you see blue in the face on how this kicks people in the face :P But nothing will change until the folks who gave the "ok" on this "fix" see the actual problem. As long as those are out of touch it ain't gonna happen. So please don't ***** down on the code or QA folks.
Here's the crux of the matter: folks were given a tool for advanced logistics, and right when they have an even bigger need for that tool for increased logistics as forthcoming from the changes of the Revelations 2 patch, that tool got nerfed, while in the background there's the larger issue of competition challenges.
The jump portal as available on a titan is a perfectly valid method, and imo it should stay, even with kicking freighters through. But taking away the balance for folks who do not have, will not have, cannot have that very method is not just an imbalance, it is a kick in the teeth. I think there's been enough of that really.
Now, if someone at the top of the foodchain :P suddenly gets a wakeup call and realises the true impact of this, please do not fall prey to the usual trap of "yeah we'll fix something along the way so stand by for something new with another patch in the future". Re enable the method as it is needed now, pronto, and then design an alternative solution for a future patch.
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Druadan
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Druadan on 19/06/2007 12:30:03
Originally by: Spike 68
Edited by: Spike 68 on 19/06/2007 06:15:46
this thread is one of the best I've seen in a while. go cry somewhere else with all this care bear nonsense.
The term carrier in eve comes from the slang "carrier" as in aircraft carrier.
They are not meant to safely jump large amounts of cargo, the name originates from its ability to carry fighters, something nothing bar carriers can do (moms are carriers )
its a shame so many carriers out there will never see combat. for teh love of ebil killing machines stop hauling trit and gank something
or better yet use the carrier on standby to jump into reinforce the gang which is escorting the freighter, a ship which is built for hauling freight.
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Jerppu
Minmatar
Brotherhood of Polar Equation
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.06.19 17:36:00 -
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Oh no, not on page two. Back to page one...
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Steph Wing
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:46:00 -
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So let me get this straight:
A percieved "exploit" that has been in the code for over a year is getting fixed, and by the way, "Carrier" does not mean "it carries stuff".
The result? Instead of carriers jump-hauling cargo, we'll now have Dreads filling that role. I guess "Dreadnaught" does mean "it carries stuff", eh CCP?
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Mundem Pashdale
Serenity Prime
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:09:00 -
[285]
Edited by: Mundem Pashdale on 19/06/2007 20:10:43
Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
Ships that have assembled containers in their cargo hold cannot be placed in ship maintenance bays/arrays, either in space or at a station. This is also valid for courier packages.
And may I point out that "carrier" does NOT refer to the ship's capacity of hauling?
One supposes then that the carrier is to turned into a logistics ship? The Triage module makes for a mean fleet tank when done correctly, and fighters still have a place in combat if used carefully. However, the use of carriers for hauling to 0.0 and the use of dreads makes sence. As the ships in my bay are NOT compressed, what reasoning is there for the cans to not be alowed? I assume it is in a desire to make the carrier more of a combat vessel rather then the duel role it currently holds, allowing many smaller groups to survive in 0.0 as the have no access to freighters.
Does this mean we can expect a new, smaller jump drive capable hauler? Or does this mean more blobby frighter escourt opps as in the past? Whilst I am all for being reliant only on 0.0 with minimal empire access, I do not have a full set of T2 BPO's or BPC's thorugh invention at this time. Only very big organizations approach this. I cannot see the harm this was doing; it allowed a better seeding in 0.0 markets through organizations such as ISS. I hope it might be withdrawn, but I doubt it. My life got harder again leaving less time for fun and more for hauling. Thank you, CCP. I trust that you have a good reason for this though
EDIT: I am NOT a care bear. I have a combat carrier alt who is trained and fitted for COMBAT but occasionaly when I need new ships or mods does a jump to empire to allow me to keep fighting. I do feel sorry for those who invested in the carrier for hauling.
In response to arguments that 'carrier' does not mean it carries stuff... I can refit it with expanded cargo holds. I could, if I wanted, gut the USS Nimitz and turn it into a bulk carrier. It would not be the BEST bulk carrier but I could still do it.
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Drakar Verge
Black Star Trading
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:49:00 -
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CCP needs to respond
This thread isnt going anywhere
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Trev Kachanov
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.06.19 21:14:00 -
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This is so so so ***, When i move corp members items w/ my carrier they put their name on the GSC fill it and i pick it up and move it to the next location.
What this nerf does is forces me to track and record every single module/unit i receive from my corpmates for moving.
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Steph Wing
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.19 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Trev Kachanov
This is so so so ***, When i move corp members items w/ my carrier they put their name on the GSC fill it and i pick it up and move it to the next location.
What this nerf does is forces me to track and record every single module/unit i receive from my corpmates for moving.
I suppose one could put the onus on one's corpmates to compile a list of the equipment they'd like hauled and simply hand it to the carrier pilot. I know, it's far from an acceptable solution, and I too would like this nerf to be undone, but let's face it: CCP doesn't care, so we're going to have to find ways around.
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Velvet69
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 21:33:00 -
[289]
Originally by: Yuki Nagato
Originally by: Velvet69
:words:
Can you shut up please? This change affects everyone, including BoB pets. So stop with this crap.
This space is reserved untill RevII is deployed and I can find out just how old Yuki's toon is.
(Better hope its older than mine and you have plenty of 00 experience Yuki)
IXC Velvet69
Proud Member of 'The House of Prawn' |
SamuraiJack
Caldari
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.06.19 21:52:00 -
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/me points out... Exodus... ment to drive ppl to 0.0... it drove them to empire.
/me points out logistics IS 0.0 or you die.
/me points out the overabundace of PVP related patches and little love for the backbone of eve. The logistics/industrialists/builders.
/me points out that CS in space is sisi... We want the full story of eve... not some tinpoint pew pew 10cent game.
We're waiting CCP...
SJ.
CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director
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Wiccy84
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: Wiccy84 on 19/06/2007 22:12:40
If CCP is soooooo worried about virtual space being created then why is the GSC still apart of gameplay mechanics?
Or is what CCP really trying to say is that
"some virtual space ok, but other virtual space isnt?"
Fix this and choose one way or the other.
Give us one of the following:
-cargo holds of ships the ability to create tabs
-courier wrap items without creating a specific courier mission and
-have organizational cans that dont compress space.
This would greatly help with organinzing while no virtual space would be added on.
either way
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Popsikle
Minmatar
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Velvet69
Originally by: Yuki Nagato
Originally by: Velvet69
:words:
Can you shut up please? This change affects everyone, including BoB pets. So stop with this crap.
This space is reserved untill RevII is deployed and I can find out just how old Yuki's toon is.
(Better hope its older than mine and you have plenty of 00 experience Yuki)
"BoB pets" has nothing to do with getting this fixed.
Lets stay on topic ;)
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Damned Force
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Posted - 2007.06.20 09:20:00 -
[293]
up and go
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Jai Cee
Quam Singulari
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.20 11:35:00 -
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The organisational aspect and complete lack of logic is what really bothers me about this. So a can is in a cargohold and thats stored completely uncompressed in a carriers bay but suddenly thats not allowed? Theres no logical reason apart from CCPs code can't handle it which is a poor reason to nerf a ship that was not overpowered in any way.
Allow cans or courier contracts in carriers again or at least give them a cargo capacity boost to compensate otherwise can I have 180 days of skill training back.
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Rinaldo Titano
Caldari
Domus Fatalis
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 12:04:00 -
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I want my SP's back to, and assign to other skills which i would train before if i knowed this NERF!
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Jerppu
Minmatar
Brotherhood of Polar Equation
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.06.20 17:03:00 -
[296]
UP
Still no CCP reply
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Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.21 01:25:00 -
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Bumpage. Back to page one for you! CCP, can you please give us any word on if you're going to give us logistics guys a little bit of loving?
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Icome4u
Caldari
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.21 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Salia Deluri
I just spent two days moving stuff for the alliance. Devs can we get something to sort stuff with? I'll eat the extra space but come on give us something. At what point does it become a big enough issue for you to at least respond?
It takes 6-8 month of whining on 3-5 threads with 15-20 pages each.
Aka... the Chimera size bug threads
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If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner? 
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Jack Toad
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Posted - 2007.06.21 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Icome4u
Originally by: Salia Deluri
I just spent two days moving stuff for the alliance. Devs can we get something to sort stuff with? I'll eat the extra space but come on give us something. At what point does it become a big enough issue for you to at least respond?
It takes 6-8 month of whining on 3-5 threads with 15-20 pages each.
Aka... the Chimera size bug threads
And it took more than 12 months to change the poor Niddy...
/Signed
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car111o
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Posted - 2007.06.21 04:56:00 -
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The new change is a joke. Thanks CCP you have made the game even more boring. Now my carrier runs involve a new 10 minute penalty of me reading off of a piece of paper and then verify with the contract whos stuff is who. Wow it was really needed that you banned all planks instead of just GSCs. Apparently you haven't heard of if statements, I am pretty sure they have them in python? Oh you didn't expose that information on the module. Well god forbid you reflect off of it.
Let me ask you, why exactly did you ban all planks from carriers? Why? Is it really because people pre expanded their haulers? I think the bob conspiracy thing is BS. After all I could imagine that TWD is super happy about this change. CCP, next time you make a change like this, at least give us a ship half as good as the carrier was, to replace that role. As for me I will just laugh as the price of zyd hits 10k.
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