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Tryptic Photon
Gallente Asgard Protectorate
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Posted - 2007.06.15 03:52:00 -
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Things that make the game LESS FUN for the people who play it, should fall to the bottom of the list of Game Designer Priorities.
I think I'll change Windows and eliminate folders altogether. This will make it more fun to manage your files.
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Havok Pierce
Gallente Black Lance NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 04:30:00 -
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CCP, please give us *FOLDERS* to sort our stuff out in. You can make it like BM folders.
Or let pilots have different tabs, like corps do.
Call me anal-retentive, but there's something wrong about using station containers for organization when doing so breaks the ability to remotely manage research/manufacture AND the asset search.
Carrier pilots use their ships for logisics and friends. Using cargo containers was a cheap and effective method of keeping those assets separate. Please replicate that functionality if it's going to be a casualty of an exploit-close.
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Tonto Auri
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.15 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Wraithborn Why is it that things that work get nuked and things that dont stay? you have any idea how much of a mess this will make of the already bad .0 logistics, well i guess you dont care. since you dont play the game afterall.
You wrong, they play EVE. But because they play with BoBs, they not have any problem hauluing stuff with titans. -- . |
Damned Force
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Posted - 2007.06.15 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Wraithborn Why is it that things that work get nuked and things that dont stay? you have any idea how much of a mess this will make of the already bad .0 logistics, well i guess you dont care. since you dont play the game afterall.
You wrong, they play EVE. But because they play with BoBs, they not have any problem hauluing stuff with titans.
Agreed At least seems so
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Mainreh Rhonaki
Jazz Associates R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:27:00 -
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I'm really disappointed that this thread has not received an official follow-up. It has to be one of the more unanimous threads posted in this forum, yet there has not been an response to it after Oneiromancer's original replies.
This original response displayed a limited understanding of the way carriers are used by small and medium-sized alliances. Indeed, claiming that "And may I point out that 'carrier' does NOT refer to the ship's capacity of hauling?" is just stupid. The carrier is clearly a logistics vessel. Logistics is about _efficiently_ transporting resources. The change in question reduces the efficiency within its declared role.
I understand that disallowing cans inside a hauler inside a carrier is a fix for an exploit. I know at least one exploit that will be fixed by this.
Either:
a) it may be that fixing this or some other exploit is important enough that this _major nerf_* should be accepted as a side-effect.
or,
b) the change in question is considered to be a desired result.
It is not too late for damage control in this issue. I accept a "After revelations release, plz." Just declaring a) or b) (as listed above) would be a major improvement.
For me, the developer misconduct issue is a fairly minor one. However, when a significant subset of your community protests a change and there is no reply whatsoever to that protest, Your Silence perfectly strikes Trust, wrecking for major damage.
* see: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=534527&page=6#157 for detailed explanation of how this is a nerf.
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Omak Topal
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:53:00 -
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well the patchnotes have been posted. the nerf is going to happen.
we did our best, but this threat failed :( ------ they removed the link to my sig, because it was to big in byte size. like only 50 to 100 bytes to much :( |
Jerppu
Minmatar Brotherhood of Polar Equation Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:13:00 -
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back to page one
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:46:00 -
[248]
To the top..
CCP or someone please give us some valid reasons.
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Death Mate
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:52:00 -
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EXPLOITS.
This is your valid reason.
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baffy
Atlas Incorporated Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 17:01:00 -
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dont do it ccp!
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John Blackthorn
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.15 17:15:00 -
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I've always used gsc not because of the m3 bonus you get for using them but because you can sort things out that need to be transported. Ie fules for differnt pos's, loot that belong to differnt people etc etc.
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Popsikle on 15/06/2007 17:15:17
Originally by: Death Mate EXPLOITS.
This is your valid reason.
No, its not.
Fix the exploit, dont nerf the carrier. Even if it means no GSC's, give us a means to sort ****.
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Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.15 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Popsikle Edited by: Popsikle on 15/06/2007 17:15:17
Originally by: Death Mate EXPLOITS.
This is your valid reason.
No, its not.
Fix the exploit, dont nerf the carrier. Even if it means no GSC's, give us a means to sort ****.
It wasent done because of an exploit, i asked Oveur yesterday (he's been hanging around in jita local recentley) and he said this change is to fix a bug, dident get any more details than that but i presume it might be something to do with the new corp asset tracking(?) -
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Wink
Caldari Asgard Protectorate
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Posted - 2007.06.15 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Wink on 15/06/2007 17:49:27 I found out what the real reason is. Seems that when you take a ***** into space and you ********** theres a huge ********** with moving them. So, to maximize your advantage you would **** ******* then ********** or alternatively you could just ******** ****** and ******** of course you use a little more space but without the **** it would average out anyways.
I guess that would create an unfair advantage and CCP is correct in making this change. Now, if I could only find out what the *'s were hiding I would actually understand this change.
Organization please. Just give us some organization.
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Gustav Blackknight
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.15 18:04:00 -
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Why can't courrier packages atleast be used?! When your moving a lot of items for multiple people courier missions allow you to put it in one package with out gaining any space from the use of gscs.
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gustav Blackknight Why can't courrier packages atleast be used?! When your moving a lot of items for multiple people courier missions allow you to put it in one package with out gaining any space from the use of gscs.
Because it benefits those of us that like to do other things versus straight pvp, duh.
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Borgholio
Minmatar Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.16 00:08:00 -
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Bump.
To the devs - you have responded to just about every question except the biggest one. "What are we supposed to do now that carrier hauling has been nerfed?" ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole! |
Andrus Delai
Trinity Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.16 04:06:00 -
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Devs,
Please at least temporarily increase the cargo capacity of Carriers to account for the drop in their transport ability. Carriers are a logistics vessel in EVE. What else explains Triage Mode and its prereq of Logistics 5?
Please give us Heavy Industrials.
Please give us jump capable Capital Industrials.
Please seed BPOs for all containers.
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Iron Jaw
The Forsakened Companions
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Posted - 2007.06.16 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Astrocarm Can CCP not just add carrier containers like freighters have. No extra space granted, just make it easier to account for the different goods you maybe required to move for various players withn your corporation or allaince.
Great idea, hopfuly ccp will do it.
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.16 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 16/06/2007 21:56:39 Is CCP going to respond to this topic at all? Even just a "we're looking into it" would be cool, as long as we get some recognition that CCP understands our gripes with it. This will seriously hurt logistics - something that's already a major pain in the neck in this game.
I don't think many people are expecting you guys to reverse the change - keep GSCs off limits if you want. But at the very least give us some kind of container, even if it's just a regular container that can hold stuff with no cargo bonus (e.g: 3000 m3 -> 3900 m3 for GSCs) so we can sort out fuel and modules. Without some way to sort things logistics in 0.0 becomes a harder and longer process for anyone not in a Titan or Mothership. This is supposed to be a game, and as it is now, logistics is already like a job. This change will make this 'job' even harder and more draining on the people who do it.
Throw us a bone here, CCP.
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Axhind
Caldari Ex Coelis
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Posted - 2007.06.17 00:24:00 -
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Ah but we don't have a certain alliance members complaing so no go for fixing it. Just look at POS bowling isue. Got solved real fast when others started doing it too.
Might as well give up and just learn to take it.
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Wink
Caldari Asgard Protectorate
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Posted - 2007.06.17 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Axhind Ah but we don't have a certain alliance members complaing so no go for fixing it. Just look at POS bowling isue. Got solved real fast when others started doing it too.
Might as well give up and just learn to take it.
People from both "sides" have been posting in here besides people telling me personally of their displeasure with the ability or I should say inability to organize with these changes.
Now, please keep your caod comments out of mah thred!!
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Axhind
Caldari Ex Coelis
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Posted - 2007.06.17 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Wink
Originally by: Axhind Ah but we don't have a certain alliance members complaing so no go for fixing it. Just look at POS bowling isue. Got solved real fast when others started doing it too.
Might as well give up and just learn to take it.
People from both "sides" have been posting in here besides people telling me personally of their displeasure with the ability or I should say inability to organize with these changes.
Now, please keep your caod comments out of mah thred!!
Not the magic alliance peeps. Anyway I did post better before but the amount of ignoring from CCP shows that it's utterly pointless.
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Jerppu
Minmatar Brotherhood of Polar Equation Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.06.17 10:42:00 -
[264]
Back to page one. CCP?
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Wink
Caldari Asgard Protectorate
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Posted - 2007.06.17 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Wink on 17/06/2007 20:47:24 Hi.
Any word yet CCP on the questions raised in this thread?
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.17 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Wink Edited by: Wink on 17/06/2007 20:47:24 Hi.
Any word yet CCP on the questions raised in this thread?
no ;(
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.18 02:29:00 -
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I propose that people continue to bump this thread until there is a response from CCP to our complaints and suggestions. Don't let this issue fade from sight.
Bump.
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Damned Force
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Posted - 2007.06.18 06:00:00 -
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bump
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Tuahn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.18 08:32:00 -
[269]
Sorry guys, this is all my fault, I got into a carrier for the first time two days ago, so they had to nerf it immediately! (Bump, please CCP, at least reply.)
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:13:00 -
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Not on first page, bump.
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