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Ulii	Posted - 2007.06.12 13:17:00 - [31] and if you got friends, who also dampen the enemy, you can all damp one ship each and then eat them one by one
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.12 13:30:00 - [32] Edited by: alexreborn on 12/06/2007 13:29:32 I take it you haven't been in too many engagements at a gate have you now? Have you ever broken up a camp? Probably not. A) Warfare at gates usualy consists of your ships being within 5 to 10km range (tops) of each other. COnsidering how most BS's use turrets most people WILL NEED TO BE IN OPTIMAL range. LAst time I checked optimal for tech 2 blasters is not 20 km. B) When you sacrifice tank for EWar you die fast. In the case of a raven, sacrificing its mids to run an armor tank is just plain wrong. That EW will give you 30 seconds on 1 bs. ones he locks you, you will melt. C) counting on the enemy not hitting you is ********. All the need is one lachesis or arazu and your damping extravagenze fails. I guess most of you haven;t been in any real battles. I bet youre all carebears up in high sec that just use quick fit to talk on the EVE O forums LOL. the stuff you guys are talking about works on paper. It makes sense on paper. But in actaul engagements it makes no sense. In real situations you are at most 5 km from another ship. Especially when gate camping, or engaging at a camp. Not to mention, you wont kill anything if you have everyone sensor dampened. GUESS WHAT NO ONE CAN AGRESS IF THEY ARE 100% EWARED.
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.12 13:38:00 - [33] UII I would really like to go on a op with you and watch you dictate who sensor damps who so that all your damps are covered effectively. Then Id like to see you call primaries.
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2007.06.12 14:48:00 - [34] Originally by: alexreborn Edited by: alexreborn on 12/06/2007 13:29:32 I take it you haven't been in too many engagements at a gate have you now? Have you ever broken up a camp? Probably not. Actually yes I have - more than a few. Sometimes an sensor damp raven would have been useful sometimes not. Originally by: alexreborn [I guess most of you haven;t been in any real battles. I bet youre all carebears up in high sec that just use quick fit to talk on the EVE O forums LOL. Pity you didnt put any money where your mouth was. Actually I spend most of my time in 0.0. As for real battles - 1v1 , 5v5, 200v200, been involved in them all. No-one said armour tanking a Raven is a brilliant idea or even the best way to fit one. Like anything it has it's merits and it's faults. The OP asked if it could be done and for a workable setup - which several people here have posted. At least some of what you say is true, but don't assume that people who post setups you dislike are idiots, the only person that make look stupid is yourself.
Eamz Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:13:00 - [35] Originally by: alexreborn Edited by: alexreborn on 12/06/2007 13:29:32 I take it you haven't been in too many engagements at a gate have you now? Have you ever broken up a camp? Probably not. A) Warfare at gates usualy consists of your ships being within 5 to 10km range (tops) of each other. COnsidering how most BS's use turrets most people WILL NEED TO BE IN OPTIMAL range. LAst time I checked optimal for tech 2 blasters is not 20 km. B) When you sacrifice tank for EWar you die fast. In the case of a raven, sacrificing its mids to run an armor tank is just plain wrong. That EW will give you 30 seconds on 1 bs. ones he locks you, you will melt. C) counting on the enemy not hitting you is ********. All the need is one lachesis or arazu and your damping extravagenze fails. I guess most of you haven;t been in any real battles. I bet youre all carebears up in high sec that just use quick fit to talk on the EVE O forums LOL. the stuff you guys are talking about works on paper. It makes sense on paper. But in actaul engagements it makes no sense. In real situations you are at most 5 km from another ship. Especially when gate camping, or engaging at a camp. Not to mention, you wont kill anything if you have everyone sensor dampened. GUESS WHAT NO ONE CAN AGRESS IF THEY ARE 100% EWARED. lolnub
pandymen Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:28:00 - [36] Originally by: alexreborn Edited by: alexreborn on 12/06/2007 13:29:32 B) When you sacrifice tank for EWar you die fast. In the case of a raven, sacrificing its mids to run an armor tank is just plain wrong. That EW will give you 30 seconds on 1 bs. ones he locks you, you will melt. Not to mention, you wont kill anything if you have everyone sensor dampened. GUESS WHAT NO ONE CAN AGRESS IF THEY ARE 100% EWARED. You do realize that you can shoot whatever you want in 0.0 without anyone agressing you first, right? You also do realize that RSD's not only make you take longer to lock, they also decrease your locking range.....so put a couple of those on there, and ppl might have to be too close to hit you in order to lock. And btw, this tank is as good as a 500 mil shield tank in a huge battle. Want to know why? When you actually do get primaried and hit by 10+ ships at once, no tank will hold.
Annabolica Ardente Metabolism	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:55:00 - [37] Ok here goes... Note that i never have flown anything caldari but frigs before. 6x Siege II , Rage loaded 1x T2 Cloak 3x RSD II 1x 'PWNAGE' Painter 1x SB II 1x Warp Disruptor II 3x 1600mm RT 1x DCU II 1x BCU II 3x Trimark Pumps Should work kinda like an oversized stealth bomber. Cloak somewhere, in a belt / gate / at station for example. Watch scanner for a suiting target, like an unexpecting BC / hauler or something. Decloak, pwn, then warp out and cloak as fast as possible. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24,000 bytes - Tallan ([email protected])
Corwain Gallente Zero Team	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:07:00 - [38] Originally by: alexreborn I guess most of you haven;t been in any real battles. I bet youre all carebears up in high sec that just use quick fit to talk on the EVE O forums LOL. And I guess you're just a ganker that has never flown solo, cause when you do and you pick targets carefully you CAN have one on one fights. In such fights locking a single opponent down can be very important. Try playing all aspects of the game before bashing others styles.
Ghargon D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:14:00 - [39] Shield tanking ravens suck in gang warfare compared to armor tanked ones. Standard raven armor tanking setup: Hi: 6x cruise missile launcher 2, 2x whatever you want realy Mid:1x med cap booster, 1x disruptor 2, then i generally go for either 4 t2 damp or 4 t2 tracking disruptors. Although its perfectly viable to fit in a sensor booster. Low:1x large t2 armor rep 2x enegized adaptive nano, 1x damage control 2, 1x 1600mm rolled tungsten. Drones: 5x med t2's 5x light t2's Although the setup doesnt output much damage it is a hell of alot more use due to being able to effectively neutralise two other bs's at a time. The reason the low slots are all set for tanking is because a ravens tank is pretty thin as it is, here at least you might be able to tank something. Just my 2 isk I never think of the future - It comes soon enough
tarin adur Gallente Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Annabolica Ardente Ok here goes... Note that i never have flown anything caldari but frigs before. 6x Siege II , Rage loaded 1x T2 Cloak 3x RSD II 1x 'PWNAGE' Painter 1x SB II 1x Warp Disruptor II 3x 1600mm RT 1x DCU II 1x BCU II 3x Trimark Pumps Should work kinda like an oversized stealth bomber. Cloak somewhere, in a belt / gate / at station for example. Watch scanner for a suiting target, like an unexpecting BC / hauler or something. Decloak, pwn, then warp out and cloak as fast as possible. The only T2 cloak you can fit on a raven is an improved cloaking device,Which has a base Sensor recalibration of 20 second,assuming cloaking V that's 10 seconds....That's ample time for someone to align/warp out,or damp you or just kill you before you manage a lock.
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:47:00 - [41] LOL pity i didn't put my money where my mouth is...... wow... do you even know how to use that phrase? In any case armor tanking a raven has no merits. Its just a waste of a ship that ALREADY sucks for anything pvp related.. Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler Originally by: alexreborn Edited by: alexreborn on 12/06/2007 13:29:32 I take it you haven't been in too many engagements at a gate have you now? Have you ever broken up a camp? Probably not. Actually yes I have - more than a few. Sometimes an sensor damp raven would have been useful sometimes not. Originally by: alexreborn [I guess most of you haven;t been in any real battles. I bet youre all carebears up in high sec that just use quick fit to talk on the EVE O forums LOL. Pity you didnt put any money where your mouth was. Actually I spend most of my time in 0.0. As for real battles - 1v1 , 5v5, 200v200, been involved in them all. No-one said armour tanking a Raven is a brilliant idea or even the best way to fit one. Like anything it has it's merits and it's faults. The OP asked if it could be done and for a workable setup - which several people here have posted. At least some of what you say is true, but don't assume that people who post setups you dislike are idiots, the only person that make look stupid is yourself.
Dangerously Cheesey Anqara Expeditions The OSS	Posted - 2007.06.12 19:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Sokratesz 6x launcher 1x cloak 3x RSD 2x sensorbooster 1x whatever (painter or so) 2x BCU, 1600 plate, med repper, EANM burn eden love xD This, more or less. Dictor baits at gate, bubbles, jumps, ravens warp in at 150+km and start owning.
Danirus	Posted - 2007.06.12 23:38:00 - [43] Personally i couldn't give a toss what people think of my setup, I only play eve for the fun factor and nothing bores me more than flying a shield tanked raven with a 20-30 second lock on, just to find i'm dampened and can no longer lock anything then to be scrambled and toasted without getting a shot off, at least with 400+ scan resolution I get a chance at picking some targets and unleashing my wrath. I used to fly in roaming gangs with this setup and did quite well, always locked primary within a few seconds and watched them melt. I've never liked the sensor Dampening method as it takes way too long to lock the target and usually by the time you do, it's popped anyway and thats before your missiles hit. I guess everyone has their own opinions about how a raven should be fit, personally I think it's the pilots playstyle that counts, afterall the element of suprise can be your best weapon. Like it's been said if you shield tank or armour tank, once you're primaried and scrambled you're gonna die no matter what.
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.13 02:32:00 - [44] Is that a new OSS tactic? how many ravens in this gang? 80? or 100? I know OSS never roams without 50 man gank fleet waiting around the corner. If I saw a dictor at a gate with an OSS player, I know it would mean 1 thing: Blob gank squad is aruond the corner.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:16:00 - [45] Originally by: alexreborn Originally by: Aries Acheron Edited by: Aries Acheron on 12/06/2007 05:33:20 People armor tank ravens all the time. Those midslots become mean EW mods, for Sensor damps. It's not like a Raven's shield tank when fit for PVP (minimum 2 slots taken up by PVP gear) is particularly strong either. Lol sensor damps on a raven. You might as well go with a sensor dampening domi and stick to race specific EW. You might as well stick your foot in your mouth, since you have a bigger chance of killing something than a dampening domi. I understand in the heat of the moment you may have let your emotions get the better of you, but try following this process when posting on these threads: THINK -------------> POST
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.13 12:31:00 - [46] "In any case armor tanking a raven has no merits. Its just a waste of a ship that ALREADY sucks for anything pvp related.. " quoted by alexreborn You sir are a moron... Evil Pookie BURN EDEN 3373 kills, 42 losses, 80.31:1 ratio, 199.12 billion ISK inflicted in damage, and 10931 points Kills / Losses by class 316 / 0 Battlecruiser 887 / 29 Battleship 556 / 13 Capsule 4 / 0 Carrier 478 / 0 Cruiser 19 / 0 Destroyer 1 / 0 Dreadnought 36 / 0 Elite Battlecruiser 154 / 0 Elite Cruiser 46 / 0 Elite Destroyer 286 / 0 Elite Frigate 34 / 0 Elite Industrial 1 / 0 Freighter 182 / 0 Frigate 237 / 0 Industrial 10 / 0 Mining Barge 43 / 0 Rookie ship 83 / 0 Shuttle Ships used in PvP 1: Raven [3367] 2: Caracal Navy Issue [3] 3: Vigil [2] 4: Capsule [1] I have alts that can fly every BS in the game and my preference is the armour tanked raven. You sir are a moron....
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.13 12:42:00 - [47] Just got served! now its on!
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.13 12:56:00 - [48] For me: 6x siege II, 2x something(depends, usually something silly offline) mwd, sbII, 4x rsd 3x bcu II, 2x 1600mm plate 1x missile velocity rig, 2x dampener strength rig Without missile rig you can't own from 150km, though javelin nerf made me cry alot. -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.

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